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Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 11:57 AM
You know the type. Your basic lunch pail guys who won some games, but wasn't exactly a franchise or top tier QB. Guys like:

Jay Schroeder
Stan Humphries
Brian Griese
Steve Deberg


Who was your fave?

KurtCobain
02-11-2012, 11:59 AM
Aaron Brooks.
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Pasta Giant Meatball
02-11-2012, 12:02 PM
Joke Plumber

Saul Good
02-11-2012, 12:14 PM
Steve Deberg.

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 12:20 PM
Steve Deberg.

Heh, as a Chiefs fan, we have plenty of lunch pail guys to choose from.

BigMeatballDave
02-11-2012, 12:25 PM
Trent Green

WV
02-11-2012, 12:27 PM
DeBerg.

Discuss Thrower
02-11-2012, 12:33 PM
Billy Joe Tolliver. He was fricking awesome in Madden 97

DJ's left nut
02-11-2012, 12:36 PM
Vinny Testaverde

He spent years refusing to admit that he sucked....then all of the sudden he actually didn't suck for a couple of years...then he sucked again.

You had to admire that kind of persistence.

Ebolapox
02-11-2012, 12:38 PM
matt cassel (/lachiefsfan, laz, true fans)

keg in kc
02-11-2012, 12:38 PM
2nd tier? These guys are like 4th tier. Trent Green or Rich Gannon would be 2nd tier.

L.A. Chieffan
02-11-2012, 12:42 PM
matt cassel (/lachiefsfan, laz, true fans)

Lol. You're funny.

Matt Cassell isn't a second tier qb.

O.city
02-11-2012, 12:43 PM
no he's way worse than that.

stonedstooge
02-11-2012, 12:43 PM
Bobby Douglas

ChiefsCountry
02-11-2012, 12:46 PM
Trent Green
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Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 12:52 PM
2nd tier? These guys are like 4th tier. Trent Green or Rich Gannon would be 2nd tier.

Who's 4th tier? Humphries played in a Super bowl once.

scho63
02-11-2012, 01:01 PM
I think Jay Schroeder had a pretty good career as a second tier

crazycoffey
02-11-2012, 01:04 PM
Trent Green
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he's gotta be a high end 2nd tier guy. I was thinking of Rich the cannon Gannon

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 01:06 PM
he's gotta be a high end 2nd tier guy. I was thinking of Rich the cannon Gannon

An argument could be made Gannon was better than Green. Gannon won an MVP and played in a bowl.

keg in kc
02-11-2012, 01:07 PM
Who's 4th tier? Humphries played in a Super bowl once.Mark Rypien won one, was even MVP of the game. Doesn't mean he was any good.

crazycoffey
02-11-2012, 01:09 PM
doug flutie?

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 01:18 PM
Mark Rypien won one, was even MVP of the game. Doesn't mean he was any good.

I'm being very broad here. Basically any guy who was never considered a franchise, elite or HoF QB, but still won games. Rypien only had like 1 or 2 decent seasons, so he certainly qualifies in the broad definition of 2nd tier.

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 01:20 PM
doug flutie?

Good one. Here's another: Jim McMahon

Aries Walker
02-11-2012, 01:23 PM
Babe Laufenberg. He knew where he stood, and never took himself too seriously.

BoneKrusher
02-11-2012, 01:23 PM
Rich "Loose" Gannon

crazycoffey
02-11-2012, 01:26 PM
I'm being very broad here. Basically any guy who was never considered a franchise, elite or HoF QB, but still won games. Rypien only had like 1 or 2 decent seasons, so he certainly qualifies in the broad definition of 2nd tier.


so, is this list QBs we'd take now if they were still in their prime?

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 01:30 PM
so, is this list QBs we'd take now if they were still in their prime?

If u so desire to look at it that way then yes, but doesn't necessarily have to be that.

milkman
02-11-2012, 01:32 PM
If you're looking at QBs that are not HoFers, then John Hadl, hands down.

kc rush
02-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Trent Green

This. Solid QB, solid person.

rockymtnchief
02-11-2012, 01:38 PM
doug flutie?

Beat me to it.

Him and Deberg come to mind for me.

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 01:40 PM
Ah...Randall Cunningham was another good one.

rockymtnchief
02-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Frank Reich

Demonpenz
02-11-2012, 01:47 PM
Trent Dilfer NOW when I listen to his podcasts and how the dude is OBSESSED WITH FOOTBALL. I can't help but get excited about the game listening to him. I hardly ever get excited about football anymore, The Chiefs are worthless.

cdcox
02-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Ken Anderson was the best QB that no one ever talks about.

HoneyBadger
02-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Kordell Stewart

Fritz88
02-11-2012, 01:55 PM
Scott Polio.

Baby Lee
02-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Who was that dude who was a total lardass, but he had great touch on the ball. Someone will know who I'm talking about, had a body like 90's Drew Carey, but threw a great long ball.

2nd, if you can be 2nd tier just by merit of not being drafted high or getting rings, Sonny Jurgenson. But he had 5 Pro Bowls and is in the HoF, among many other honors, including all 60s team.

milkman
02-11-2012, 02:11 PM
Who was that dude who was a total lardass, but he had great touch on the ball. Someone will know who I'm talking about, had a body like 90's Drew Carey, but threw a great long ball.

2nd, if you can be 2nd tier just by merit of not being drafted high or getting rings, Sonny Jurgenson. But he had 5 Pro Bowls and is in the HoF, among many other honors, including all 60s team.

Almost certain you're thinking of Stan Humphries of the Chargers.

Bump
02-11-2012, 02:11 PM
Chris Chandler was pretty good for a little while and got to a bowl
Jim Harbaugh, actually kinda hate him because he beat us in that playoff game but respect anyways
Doug Flutie - loved watching him succeed for the Bills and then dumbass benched him for Rob Johnson, epic fail
Dave Krieg - was okay......I guess

Baby Lee
02-11-2012, 02:22 PM
Almost certain you're thinking of Stan Humphries of the Chargers.

No, I see him in something dark[er] blue, and more strongly see him as being on an east coast team. MoF, he may not have not only been 2nd tier, but 2nd string. But he made a splash for part of a season or two

milkman
02-11-2012, 02:26 PM
No, I see him in something dark[er] blue, and more strongly see him as being on an east coast team. MoF, he may not have not only been 2nd tier, but 2nd string. But he made a splash for part of a season or two

How long ago?

Epic Fail 007
02-11-2012, 02:33 PM
Jim mcmahon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_JewzKZIHI

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-11-2012, 02:33 PM
For the hefty QB question....Jared Lorenzen?

Baby Lee
02-11-2012, 02:36 PM
How long ago?

I want to say mid-90s.

Keep in mind, this was more of a novelty than an enduring thing, like if Kurt Warner was a lardass and only played one [non playoff] season, but played just as well.

Three7s
02-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Brad Johnson

milkman
02-11-2012, 02:37 PM
I want to say mid-90s.

Did PGM get it?

oldman
02-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Of those that wore a Chiefs uniform, DeBerg no doubt. I'll have to give a shout out to John Hadl and Bobby Douglass since they both went to Kansas.

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-11-2012, 02:39 PM
Him?

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Baby Lee
02-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Did PGM get it?

Name doesn't sound like what I remember, but the look is spot on, almost enough for me to say yes, as is his time in a Giants uni.

Did this guy make a splash for a short time? The guy I'm thinking of was a pure passer, like Warner or Jeff George.

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-11-2012, 02:44 PM
He only had 8 career attempts in the regular season, but was a "cult" player for a while since he was a 285 lb. QB called the hefty lefty ROFL

milkman
02-11-2012, 02:45 PM
I don't think Lorenzon played more than a handful of downs in the regular season, if any.

So I don't think he made any kind of splash.

Simplicity
02-11-2012, 02:50 PM
Aaron Brooks.

chefsos
02-11-2012, 03:03 PM
I recall that I liked watching Brian Sipe and those cardiac Browns in '79-'80.

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 03:10 PM
I recall that I liked watching Brian Sipe and those cardiac Browns in '79-'80.

Nice one, this also reminds me of another one: Bernie Kosar

Gadzooks
02-11-2012, 03:42 PM
I always thought Humphries was elite.:shrug:

ClevelandBronco
02-11-2012, 03:45 PM
Bernie Kosar.

burt
02-11-2012, 03:45 PM
Charlie Batch & Gannon.

KurtCobain
02-11-2012, 03:49 PM
Aaron Brooks.

Beat you to it.
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Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 04:25 PM
Here's another name from the 90s. Jeff Blake Bengals. Threw a great deep ball, had a few decent seasons.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-11-2012, 04:34 PM
Trent Green

This although i have Bill Kenney with his less than tight spirals in a distant 20th.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-11-2012, 04:35 PM
I recall that I liked watching Brian Sipe and those cardiac Browns in '79-'80.

Forgot about him, one of my favorite players growing up mainly because the Chiefs sucked bigtime in those days.

crazycoffey
02-11-2012, 04:43 PM
payton manning, one ring, choked too many times, retired early from injury.

:ducks:

milkman
02-11-2012, 04:45 PM
payton manning, one ring, choked too many times, retired early from injury.

:ducks:

Speaking of Colts.

Bert Jones.

hometeam
02-11-2012, 04:49 PM
Trent Green

KCinNY
02-11-2012, 04:51 PM
Always liked Dave Kreig.

Dude was a gamer.

Count Zarth
02-11-2012, 04:52 PM
Thirding the Bernie Kosar vote.

Bro had moxie.

listopencil
02-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Steve Deberg.


^

lewdog
02-11-2012, 05:20 PM
I will say what the rest of you are thinking.....Mike Vick.

Backwards Masking
02-11-2012, 05:59 PM
Trent Green

ouch, that hurts, but no playoff wins = second tier.

Doug Flutie

MagicHef
02-11-2012, 07:01 PM
Jake Plummer.

As for Lorenzen, my favorite nickname for him was "Pillsbury Throwboy."

DTLB58
02-11-2012, 07:09 PM
Hands down Steve Deberg, with the cast on the thumb. :clap:

Dude had 23 TD's with just 4 int's in 1990.
Should have been NFL MVP.

Predarat
02-11-2012, 07:16 PM
Steve DeBerg was tough as hell, I remember the game he got his hand crused to pieces, had it taped togther basicly. Then he came back into the game with the taped up hand.

milkman
02-11-2012, 07:19 PM
Steve DeBerg was tough as hell, I remember the game he got his hand crused to pieces, had it taped togther basicly. Then he came back into the game with the taped up hand.

That one single moment sealed his legacy in KC.

He was, in reality, not very good.

Predarat
02-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Terry "Don't call me Kerry" Collins was not too good but sometimes was.

Thig Lyfe
02-11-2012, 07:38 PM
Tyler Thigpen transcends tiers.

Munson
02-11-2012, 07:41 PM
Jamarcus Russell






j/kLMAO


Trent Green

Tombstone RJ
02-11-2012, 07:55 PM
Jim "Chrissy" Everett was pretty good at times but not elite IMHO.

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 07:59 PM
Jim "Chrissy" Everett was pretty good at times but not elite IMHO.

Nice one....here's another one: Danny White

Tombstone RJ
02-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Nice one....here's another one: Danny White

old Danny... he kind of gets a bad rep, but I hate the cowboys so I have no problem with him being considered second tier. This world does not need another HOF cowpokes QB.

speaking of second tier: Tony Romo

milkman
02-11-2012, 08:04 PM
How about Charlie Johnson?

milkman
02-11-2012, 08:06 PM
Or Craig Morton?

stonedstooge
02-11-2012, 08:11 PM
Steve Young was 2nd tier for several years wasn't he?

alpha_omega
02-11-2012, 08:15 PM
I'll say Trent Dilfer. 2nd tier guy. He had a pro bowl and a super bowl.

chefsos
02-11-2012, 08:23 PM
Or Craig Morton?I was thinking about Morton, too, but he was SO BAD in that SB in '77 that it dropped him a tier or three. Life's unfair.

Predarat
02-11-2012, 08:33 PM
Neil O'Donnell though he is boarderline here.

crazycoffey
02-11-2012, 08:36 PM
I think this thread is pointing out a lot of variation to our definitions of second tier. Could be a fundamental key to many a posters differences. Sometimes we could mean the same thing but be interpreted differently. or say the same thing but mean something differently.

milkman
02-11-2012, 08:36 PM
Neil O'Donnell though he is boarderline here.

Borderline also.

milkman
02-11-2012, 08:38 PM
I was thinking about Morton, too, but he was SO BAD in that SB in '77 that it dropped him a tier or three. Life's unfair.

I'm actually just throwing out names, cause some of the names thrown out are really stupid.

MOhillbilly
02-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Moon

milkman
02-11-2012, 09:12 PM
Moon

He's in the HoF, so I wouldn't think he qualifies as 2nd tier.

chefsos
02-11-2012, 09:18 PM
Hmm... here's one that just popped into my head. Dan Pastorini. Terrible early on but so were the Oilers. Later on, with Earl Campbell (funny how this works) he was a pretty good QB.

MOhillbilly
02-11-2012, 09:19 PM
He's in the HoF, so I wouldn't think he qualifies as 2nd tier.

Just cause he is black. Dude never won shit. KC at Houston 93, Ftw.

Baby Lee
02-11-2012, 09:23 PM
Steve Young was 2nd tier for several years wasn't he?

No, high [#1?] pick for VERY shitty team, then traded to best team in league to sit behind the greatest QB ever, eventually replaced him and won SB of own.

A unique story in the NFL, but never 2nd tier talent.

milkman
02-11-2012, 09:23 PM
Just cause he is black. Dude never won shit. KC at Houston 93, Ftw.

You would think that he could have engineered one second half drive against the Bills that would have stopped the bleeding.

He's in the HoF because his of his numbers.

Baby Lee
02-11-2012, 09:24 PM
He's in the HoF, so I wouldn't think he qualifies as 2nd tier.

Guess Jurgenson is out too. ;)

Deberg_1990
08-22-2012, 10:16 AM
Would you include guys like Randall Cunningham and Michael Vick on this list? I would.


I dont think either will be a Hall of Famer.

Chiefshrink
08-22-2012, 10:20 AM
Mark Brunell in the day.

bobbything
08-22-2012, 10:33 AM
I don't know if I'd consider Trent Green 2nd tier. If he is, he's high second tier. Far better than Aaron Brooks or Stan Humphries. For four straight seasons Green was stastically one of the five best QBs in the game. He never won a playoff game, but I'd hardly put that on him. I guess looking at his entire career, he could be considered 2nd tier. But he was top knotch in KC.

Excluding Green, some of my favs were:

Dave Kreig
Jim Everett
Chris Miller
Jeff Blake
Jeff George

Deberg_1990
08-22-2012, 10:39 AM
I don't know if I'd consider Trent Green 2nd tier. If he is, he's high second tier. Far better than Aaron Brooks or Stan Humphries. For four straight seasons Green was stastically one of the five best QBs in the game. He never won a playoff game, but I'd hardly put that on him. I guess looking at his entire career, he could be considered 2nd tier. But he was top knotch in KC.

Excluding Green, some of my favs were:

Dave Kreig
Jim Everett
Chris Miller
Jeff Blake
Jeff George

Green is definately 2nd tier by my defination. Not a Hall of Famer, but was a solid QB for several seasons. Humpries took his team to a Super Bowl for what its worth.

CoMoChief
08-22-2012, 10:43 AM
Trent Green
Rich Gannon

Count Zarth
08-22-2012, 10:44 AM
Bernie Kosar.

Bad motherfucker.

CoMoChief
08-22-2012, 10:51 AM
Elvis Grbac LMAO
Steve Bono LMAO


Chiefs have had their fare share of Tier2 QB's.

DJ's left nut
08-22-2012, 10:56 AM
I'm surprised to see that I had an answer to this question.

I'm not at all surprised to learn that I was right the first time. Vinnie Testaverde was a boss.

beach tribe
08-22-2012, 11:13 AM
2nd tier? These guys are like 4th tier. Trent Green or Rich Gannon would be 2nd tier.

Maybe not for a long time, but a 2 time MVP is top tier IMO.

Deberg_1990
03-05-2013, 12:54 PM
So can we add Matt Cassel and Alex Smith to this list?

Friggles
03-05-2013, 01:16 PM
Jim Hart
Bert Jones
Neil Lomax

gblowfish
03-05-2013, 01:18 PM
Every Chiefs QB EVER except for Dawson and Montana would be considered "second tier." That's why we are who we are!

TEX
03-05-2013, 01:20 PM
Trent Green

Brock
03-05-2013, 01:21 PM
Don "Melanoma" Strock

siberian khatru
03-05-2013, 01:26 PM
I was a big Jim Hart fan growing up. Had a poster of him on my bedroom wall.

Chief Faithful
03-05-2013, 01:41 PM
Tom Flores,...duh

jason54858
03-05-2013, 01:49 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned Jeff Garcia yet tbh

Deberg_1990
03-05-2013, 02:14 PM
Tony Romo

candyman
03-05-2013, 02:16 PM
Trent Green. He's my 2nd favorite NFL player of all time.

Marcellus
03-05-2013, 02:19 PM
I have to agree with Stan Humphries. He was like a fat softball player subbing at QB and actually doing it decent for a while. Got his ass knocked around too, he was tough.

Deberg_1990
03-05-2013, 02:30 PM
I have to agree with Stan Humphries. He was like a fat softball player subbing at QB and actually doing it decent for a while. Got his ass knocked around too, he was tough.


Some of those Bobby Ross teams from the early 90s basically did Martyball better than Marty did.

Rudy lost the toss
03-05-2013, 02:51 PM
Already mentioned, but

Mark Brunell
Jeff Blake
Jeff Garcia

Rudy lost the toss
03-05-2013, 02:53 PM
I have to agree with Stan Humphries. He was like a fat softball player subbing at QB and actually doing it decent for a while. Got his ass knocked around too, he was tough.

His nephew was in my third-grade class. One day he gave everyone a Stan Humphries autographed card. I still have it. Haha