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Saul Good
02-11-2012, 11:04 PM
What is the best team over an extended stretch of time that never won a title?

The Cleveland Indians of the nineties and the Buffalo Bills when they lost 4 straight Super Bowls are the first that come to mind.

Who else?

Michigan with the Fab 5?
The Phoenix Suns with Nash?

Chief_For_Life58
02-11-2012, 11:09 PM
the royals right now. OH WAIT!!! THEYRE ABOUT TO BECOME A DYNASTY!!!! WAMMY!!!!

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 11:09 PM
Houston Oilers with Moon
Cleveland Browns in the 80s
Kansas City Chiefs of the 90s
Chargers of the past 8 or nine years

chefsos
02-11-2012, 11:09 PM
I'm not any kind of basketball fan at all, but the 60's Lakers immediately come to mind.

KurtCobain
02-11-2012, 11:10 PM
I'd imagine four superbowl losses gets you this title.


fwiw, the title of this thread made me think it was gonna be a lame article on the patriots.
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O.city
02-11-2012, 11:10 PM
Roy Williams at KU.

Chief_For_Life58
02-11-2012, 11:11 PM
Roy Williams at KU.

why you have to go there. that hurts man

KurtCobain
02-11-2012, 11:12 PM
The magic with shaq?
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Saul Good
02-11-2012, 11:15 PM
Roy Williams at KU.

That's actually a really good point. Can't believe I missed that one.

Saul Good
02-11-2012, 11:16 PM
I'd imagine four superbowl losses gets you this title.


fwiw, the title of this thread made me think it was gonna be a lame article on the patriots.
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I don't know. The Cleveland Indians were great for almost a decade, and they never won the series. The Atlanta Braves would be on the list except they beat the Indians.

O.city
02-11-2012, 11:18 PM
That's actually a really good point. Can't believe I missed that one.

I know. Especially with your KU hate.

KurtCobain
02-11-2012, 11:19 PM
Looking up some stuff on the indians of the nineties, and wow. They could've been the bulls of baseball but couldn't get their heads out of their asses.
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Buehler445
02-11-2012, 11:23 PM
Roy Williams at KU.

Probably this. God some of those losses crushed my freaking soul.

O.city
02-11-2012, 11:24 PM
The loss to Arizona was the worst for me. I was a young kid at the time but that was killer.


The back to back Final Four teams should have won atleast 1 NC. I still think with a healthy Simien and Hinrich we would have beaten Syracuse. Had we not missed 15 free throws we would have anyway.

Der Flöprer
02-11-2012, 11:26 PM
I'd press you to find someone more worthy than Marty's Chiefs. More regular season wins than anyone in the entire decade, yet, not 1 Super Bowl title...

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 11:29 PM
Not much of a hockey or soccer fan, but I'm sure there has been a few in the NHL and MLS.

Anyone know?

Baconeater
02-11-2012, 11:32 PM
Gotta put Andy Reid's Eagles on the list, four straight NFC title game appearances and only one Super Bowl appearance, which they lost, to show for it.

KurtCobain
02-11-2012, 11:35 PM
Hey bugeater, was there any teams that fit this criteria back in the fifties?
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tk13
02-11-2012, 11:36 PM
The 90's Indians were definitely loaded. I think they were the leading wave of what became the offensive baseball explosion. Had guys like Ramirez, Thome, Sorrento, and Sandy Alomar taking up the bottom 4 spots in the order many nights. Most teams would've taken those guys in spots 3-6. Just crazy.

Hard to beat the Bills though. That team wins one title and they're probably mentioned among the greatest teams of all time. I think the only other team to even make three in a row was the Dolphins back in the 70's. That Bills team went to the playoffs 6 straight years, 5 conference championship games, 4 Super Bowls.

-King-
02-11-2012, 11:36 PM
Bills in the 90s.

O.city
02-11-2012, 11:38 PM
It's hard to say Bills cause they kept getting beat by a better team in the SB.

Baconeater
02-11-2012, 11:38 PM
Hey bugeater, was there any teams that fit this criteria back in the fifties?
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You'll have to consult milkman for anything pre-1960.

tk13
02-11-2012, 11:43 PM
If Norwood hits that kick, the Bills beat the Giants. Simple as that. And people often forget the Bills actually led at halftime of the 2nd Cowboys game, and then got waxed in the 2nd half. I think the image a lot of people remember is them getting waxed by the Cowboys the first time.

Deberg_1990
02-11-2012, 11:55 PM
If Norwood hits that kick, the Bills beat the Giants. Simple as that. And people often forget the Bills actually led at halftime of the 2nd Cowboys game, and then got waxed in the 2nd half. I think the image a lot of people remember is them getting waxed by the Cowboys the first time.

Thurman Thomas most likely would have gotten MVP if Norwood hit that.

Fritz88
02-11-2012, 11:58 PM
The Ohio Chipmunks. It was a team Scott Polio played for back in the day.
Damn fine team.
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DomerNKC
02-12-2012, 12:08 AM
How about the Seattle Mariners of the '90's? Griffey, ARod, Randy Johnson, Jay Buhner, Edgar Martinez, and Jamie Moyer.

tk13
02-12-2012, 12:12 AM
How about the Seattle Mariners of the '90's? Griffey, ARod, Randy Johnson, Jay Buhner, Edgar Martinez, and Jamie Moyer.

The funny part is after they got rid of most of those guys, they turned around and won 116 games or whatever it was, and had one of the greatest regular seasons in baseball history.

Inmem58
02-12-2012, 12:17 AM
Utah Jazz.

Malone, Stockton, Hornacek?

Saulbadguy
02-12-2012, 12:24 AM
USC 2003-Present

tk13
02-12-2012, 12:27 AM
Jazz were a great team. I'd almost suggest putting the Pacers of that era in there, but that's a tough call. Reggie Miller, Smits, Chris Mullin, etc. They went to the conference finals 5 times in 7 years, and the NBA Finals once. But they hit the end of the Bulls dynasty and the beginning of the Lakers' one. They played in some great playoff series though. The 98 Eastern Conference finals might have been the toughest test the Bulls dynasty ever faced. They pushed them to 7 games and almost made that team with Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc look human.

DJJasonp
02-12-2012, 12:54 AM
The loss to Arizona was the worst for me. I was a young kid at the time but that was killer.


The back to back Final Four teams should have won atleast 1 NC. I still think with a healthy Simien and Hinrich we would have beaten Syracuse. Had we not missed 15 free throws we would have anyway.

Had we not had refs give Carmelo the Jordan treatment....Langford doesnt foul out...and we dont lose the game.

KCtotheSB
02-12-2012, 01:04 AM
The San Jose Sharks have been one of the league's best teams for seasons on end, but then the playoffs begin...

CoMoChief
02-12-2012, 02:06 AM
God that Arizona was just a terrible loss. I was around 12 I think, but I remember LaFrentz's missed fade away 3.........the sight of Miles Simon still makes me cringe. I fucking wanna turn the channel when he calls the Kansas game. He shouldn't be allowed in that fucking fieldhouse.......EVER!!!!!

CoMoChief
02-12-2012, 02:10 AM
Had we not had refs give Carmelo the Jordan treatment....Langford doesnt foul out...and we dont lose the game.

Or Macnamera shooting lights fucking out in the first half.

hate that motherfucker too.




btw (my most hated college players ever)
Miles Simon
Gerry Macnamera
Cutino Mobley
Ali Farokhmanesh
Clearance Gilbert

KC Tattoo
02-12-2012, 02:13 AM
How about the Seattle Mariners of the '90's? Griffey, ARod, Randy Johnson, Jay Buhner, Edgar Martinez, and Jamie Moyer.

Was thinking the Atlanta Braves, in the 90's but they won the World Series finally in 1995. They acted like the Bills up untill then.

big nasty kcnut
02-12-2012, 02:37 AM
Kansas city chiefs 70s.

RippedmyFlesh
02-12-2012, 03:04 AM
SD Chargers since 1963 to present.

WhiteWhale
02-12-2012, 03:25 AM
My personal fave was Reggie Miller's Pacer teams.

KurtCobain
02-12-2012, 04:07 AM
The easy answer here is Matt Cassel. He should have four rings by now if he didn't keep getting screwed.


2008 - Won 11 games and missed the playoffs? Wtf is that? Giants went all the way from 9-7 this year.


2009 - Traded to a god awful team. Just unfair. He'd of won a championship if NE would've inked him or if he was shipped to Denver.


2010 - Single handedly took the terrible chiefs to the playoffs. Made Charles look like a HoFer. Too bad his team gave up in the playoffs and his oc quit.


2011 - His year, right? No. Haley started throwing games and he hurt his throwing hand.


You see? Hero Cassel should be Four Time SuperBowl Winning Hero Cassel.



Greatest One Man Dynasty That Never Was.

milkman
02-12-2012, 05:21 AM
Utah Jazz.

Malone, Stockton, Hornacek?

When interest in the NBA was increasing because of Michael Jordan, my interest waned because there were no great teams, and those NBA Championships that Jordan and the Bulls won were due, in part, to that fact.

KC Tattoo
02-12-2012, 05:38 AM
Ha, was thinking of one "hit" wonders and thought of Buster Douglas beating that Mike Tyson guy.

Mojo Jojo
02-12-2012, 06:19 AM
Royals...'76 to '81...6 seasons 5 playoffs...only one World Series and lost that to the Phillies. The one year they didn't make the post season they finished second.

Pioli Zombie
02-12-2012, 06:32 AM
The 70's Minnesota Vikings. A dominant team all decade except come winning Super Bowls. The Red Sox of the 70's also. Still the best outfield ever. Yastrzemski, Rice,Lynn, and Evans. Fisk. Burleson. Tiant. Lee. Eckersley. Just a great team in the wrong division. Id put the Royals in there but they won it in 1985. How many Royals players from '85 were there in the 70's?

Pioli Zombie
02-12-2012, 06:44 AM
Also in College Basketball back in the day when only one team per conference could go to the NCAA tourney and before hardship and players stuck around for 4 years and learned how to actually play basketball and you got to know all the players and the NBA draft meant something because you actually drafted guys who could do more than dunk and run around....ok, sorry.....anyway, there were some AWESOME teams that the UCLA dynasty overshadowed. The early 70's produced some great teams in the ACC. NC State broke through in 1974the but both North Carolina and Maryland fielded great teams. The 1973-74 Maryland team with Tom McMillen, Len Elmore, and John Lucas was terrific.

Mojo Jojo
02-12-2012, 06:52 AM
The 70's Minnesota Vikings. A dominant team all decade except come winning Super Bowls. The Red Sox of the 70's also. Still the best outfield ever. Yastrzemski, Rice,Lynn, and Evans. Fisk. Burleson. Tiant. Lee. Eckersley. Just a great team in the wrong division. Id put the Royals in there but they won it in 1985. How many Royals players from '85 were there in the 70's?

Off the top of my head...George Brett, Frank White, Willie Wilson, Hal McRae, Dan Quisenberry, John Wathan.

Bump
02-12-2012, 07:18 AM
The Miami Heat, right fucking now

Mi_chief_fan
02-12-2012, 07:33 AM
Was thinking the Atlanta Braves, in the 90's but they won the World Series finally in 1995. They acted like the Bills up untill then.

I still put the Braves on that list. 14 straight division titles, and the only WS win was in a strike-shortened year. In that same time span, the Marlins won 0 divison titles and 2 rings.

McWickedson
02-12-2012, 07:50 AM
The Indians from 1993-99. Those teams were absolutely loaded. Unfortunately they had to go through a team from The Bronx.

Philadelphia Eagles from 2002-09

BoneKrusher
02-12-2012, 07:52 AM
I'd press you to find someone more worthy than Marty's Chiefs. More regular season wins than anyone in the entire decade, yet, not 1 Super Bowl title...

This^

McWickedson
02-12-2012, 08:02 AM
late 60's-1970's Los Angeles Rams

9 division titles and only 1 SB appearance

whoman69
02-12-2012, 11:39 AM
You'll have to consult milkman for anything pre-1960.

1954 Cleveland Indians won 111 games. They were champions in 1948.
New York Football Giants of 1958-1963 were 0-5 in championship games but did win in 1956
Brooklyn Dodgers from 1947-1953 lost four world series. They did finally break through in 1955.

The 2000-2001 Seattle Mariners lost two LCS. The 2001 team won a record116 games.

Buck
02-12-2012, 11:47 AM
Also the McNabb Eagles.

Bambi
02-12-2012, 11:50 AM
I'd press you to find someone more worthy than Marty's Chiefs. More regular season wins than anyone in the entire decade, yet, not 1 Super Bowl title...

Eh, they were never close to a Super Bowl win. 3-7 record in the playoffs during that run and not one Super Bowl appearance.

Roy is a better example of this. Lots of postseason success and played for the title multiple times....yet won none.

Stewie
02-12-2012, 11:59 AM
It's not a team, but an individual. Sergio Garcia. More than ten years of unlimited ability and opportunity and has only won a tournament here and there, never a major.

Simplicity
02-12-2012, 12:16 PM
Fab 5... So much talent to only be ruined by off-court decisions.

tk13
02-12-2012, 12:20 PM
It's not a team, but an individual. Sergio Garcia. More than ten years of unlimited ability and opportunity and has only won a tournament here and there, never a major.

I was thinking about throwing him in there too. I thought about saying David Duval too, but he won a major.

Jerm
02-12-2012, 12:21 PM
Late 90's early 00's Vikings...ridiculous offense.

kysirsoze
02-12-2012, 12:31 PM
Transformers hasn't gotten ONE best picture nod.

DJ's left nut
02-12-2012, 12:52 PM
I know they sneaked through and won 1, but the 90's era Atlanta Braves were never a true 'dynasty' and definitely should have been.

3 HOF pitchers in their starting rotation and for large chunks of it at least 2 MVP caliber hitters (different ones at different points). For a solid decade+, those guys had the premier pitching staff in baseball.

And somehow they only one a single title. The Cardinals have won 2 in the last 5 years with nowhere near the stability and overall talent that the Braves had over their 10 year run.

Bobby Cox doesn't get nearly as much grief as he should for underperforming in october as badly as he did.

Saul Good
02-12-2012, 12:55 PM
I'm still going with the Indians. Those teams were dominant. Its incredible that they never won.

ChiefsCountry
02-12-2012, 01:00 PM
New York Knicks of the 90s. Damn good team expect Jordan was better.
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Tombstone RJ
02-12-2012, 01:01 PM
I know they sneaked through and won 1, but the 90's era Atlanta Braves were never a true 'dynasty' and definitely should have been.

3 HOF pitchers in their starting rotation and for large chunks of it at least 2 MVP caliber hitters (different ones at different points). For a solid decade+, those guys had the premier pitching staff in baseball.

And somehow they only one a single title. The Cardinals have won 2 in the last 5 years with nowhere near the stability and overall talent that the Braves had over their 10 year run.

Bobby Cox doesn't get nearly as much grief as he should for underperforming in october as badly as he did.

yep, those teams were talented, especially with pitching so they should have won more world series titles.

RippedmyFlesh
02-12-2012, 01:21 PM
Late 90's early 00's Vikings...ridiculous offense.

Also
Late 60's early 70's Vikings...ridiculous defense

Chiefs Pantalones
02-12-2012, 02:11 PM
Houston Oilers with Moon
Cleveland Browns in the 80s
Kansas City Chiefs of the 90s
Chargers of the past 8 or nine years
I don't agree with any of those. None were close at all to being a dynasty

mikey23545
02-12-2012, 02:50 PM
Quite frankly, I would include the mid-60's to early 70's Kansas City Chiefs...

A team that boasted six Hall of Fame players, at least a few more players that should be in the HOF (Johnny Robinson, Otis Taylor, Jerrel Wilson, Jerry Mays, Ed Budde, Jim Tyrer), and a HOF coach.

They were the winningest team in the history of the AFL, and had 10 players named to the All-AFL team.

Sure seems like they should have had more than two Super Bowl appearances and only one win in that glorious span...

Baby Lee
02-12-2012, 03:22 PM
When interest in the NBA was increasing because of Michael Jordan, my interest waned because there were no great teams, and those NBA Championships that Jordan and the Bulls won were due, in part, to that fact.

That, friends, is what a fan who thinks that the Schottenheimer years were the worst the Chiefs endured looks like.

Baby Lee
02-12-2012, 03:25 PM
Off the top of my head...George Brett, Frank White, Willie Wilson, Hal McRae, Dan Quisenberry, John Wathan.

That reminds me, how many here made their mom buy cinnamon oil to soak toothpicks in because of U.L Washington?

milkman
02-12-2012, 03:25 PM
That, friends, is what a fan who thinks that the Schottenheimer years were the worst the Chiefs endured looks like.

This, friends, is what reading comprehension issues look like.

I never once said that the Marty years were the worst the Chiefs endured.

I said I hated him more than any coach because of the way he shrunk in the playoffs.

Tombstone RJ
02-12-2012, 03:32 PM
That reminds me, how many here made their mom buy cinnamon oil to soak toothpicks in because of U.L Washington?

guilty

Saul Good
02-12-2012, 03:38 PM
This, friends, is what reading comprehension issues look like.

I never once said that the Marty years were the worst the Chiefs endured.

I said I hated him more than any coach because of the way he shrunk in the playoffs.

Marty didn't shrink in the playoffs. He got the most out of his teams in the regular season and ran into better talent in the postseason (3 shanked FGs notwithstanding).

milkman
02-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Marty didn't shrink in the playoffs. He got the most out of his teams in the regular season and ran into better talent in the postseason (3 shanked FGs notwithstanding).

He played not to lose.

That's shrinking.

whoman69
02-12-2012, 05:12 PM
Marty didn't shrink in the playoffs. He got the most out of his teams in the regular season and ran into better talent in the postseason (3 shanked FGs notwithstanding).

No way I back that statement.

We lost to the eventual conference champion only once. That season we had beaten that team in the regular season 23-7. We held the first round bye in '95 and '97. Marty played way too conservative and continued that trend in San Diego. In his first four playoff games the Chiefs did not score over 16 points and were shut out once. It was marginally better with Montana under center but they did go one and done with only 17 scored against a porous Dolphins defense in '94. He scored 7 against the Colts as #1 seed in '95 and stupidly went back to Grbac in '97 when Gannon went 5-1. The Chiefs scored only 10 against the Doncs. Marty played not to lose instead of playing to win.

mikey23545
02-12-2012, 05:23 PM
Marty didn't shrink in the playoffs. He got the most out of his teams in the regular season and ran into better talent in the postseason (3 shanked FGs notwithstanding).

Absolutely.

Chocolate Hog
02-12-2012, 05:27 PM
The Mizzou Tigers

Chiefs Pantalones
02-12-2012, 05:27 PM
When interest in the NBA was increasing because of Michael Jordan, my interest waned because there were no great teams, and those NBA Championships that Jordan and the Bulls won were due, in part, to that fact.

I don't agree. Do you know how many hall of famers came out of those teams during the Bulls dynasty? The Jazz, the Knicks, the Spurs, the Suns, the Rockets, the Pacers, the Lakers, etc. There were a lot of teams that would be amazing in the NBA of now, which is full of dumb teams and dumb players. The play now is a disgrace. Hardly no defense is played now, all one on one, no concept of team. The talent is good, but a lot of these teams look like ok college teams because of the retardation. I blame coaching and the one year rule. Players that should have stayed or went to school, didn't because they thought they were ready, money and listened to the wrong people. Jmo though

milkman
02-12-2012, 05:35 PM
I don't agree. Do you know how many hall of famers came out of those teams during the Bulls dynasty? The Jazz, the Knicks, the Spurs, the Suns, the Rockets, the Pacers, the Lakers, etc. There were a lot of teams that would be amazing in the NBA of now, which is full of dumb teams and dumb players. The play now is a disgrace. Hardly no defense is played now, all one on one, no concept of team. The talent is good, but a lot of these teams look like ok college teams because of the retardation. I blame coaching and the one year rule. Players that should have stayed or went to school, didn't because they thought they were ready, money and listened to the wrong people. Jmo though

I didn't say that my interest ever returned.

The Bulls never had to contend with great teams, not the way that the Lakers and Celtics of the 80s had to.

Chiefs Pantalones
02-12-2012, 05:41 PM
I didn't say that my interest ever returned.

The Bulls never had to contend with great teams, not the way that the Lakers and Celtics of the 80s had to.
We never got to see if that were true because of the Bulls. I never thought we'd see a team dominate like the Bulls did without a great center. Thanks to the GOAT we did. IMO, that's accredited to how great he and that team was.

Dr. Facebook Fever
02-12-2012, 06:02 PM
The Royals won their division 6 times and made one World Series appearance from 1976 to 1984, before winning it all in '85... including divison titles 3 years in a row in '76, '77 and '78 losing to the Yankees one step short of the World Series all 3 times. 1985 was the 7th division title and first and only World Series title. Just throwing it out there while we're talking about this subject.

I don't think anyone touches the Buffalo Bills 4 straight Super Bowls without a win though.

WhiteWhale
02-12-2012, 06:13 PM
We never got to see if that were true because of the Bulls. I never thought we'd see a team dominate like the Bulls did without a great center. Thanks to the GOAT we did. IMO, that's accredited to how great he and that team was.

Well, that and the fact that bulls played by a completely different set of rules than everyone else.

Pioli Zombie
02-12-2012, 06:15 PM
I have got to admit I forgot the thread title didn't say, best team to not win a champsionship, its dynasty that never was. In that case the Atlanta Braves instantly come to mind. Also, the Baltimore Orioles won over 100 games and went to the WS for 3the straight years 1969 to 1971 and only won one. Likewise the Oakland A's 1988 thru 1990 should have won all 3. The Philadelphia 76ers were supposed to win every year from 1976 until finally they won one in 1983.

Chiefs Pantalones
02-12-2012, 06:21 PM
Well, that and the fact that bulls played by a completely different set of rules than everyone else.

Those being?

BigMeatballDave
02-12-2012, 06:23 PM
Bills
Indians

Chocolate Hog
02-12-2012, 06:28 PM
Bills
Indians

Even without Albert Belle those teams were still good.

Saul Good
02-12-2012, 08:40 PM
I have got to admit I forgot the thread title didn't say, best team to not win a champsionship, its dynasty that never was. In that case the Atlanta Braves instantly come to mind. Also, the Baltimore Orioles won over 100 games and went to the WS for 3the straight years 1969 to 1971 and only won one. Likewise the Oakland A's 1988 thru 1990 should have won all 3. The Philadelphia 76ers were supposed to win every year from 1976 until finally they won one in 1983.

"that never won a title"

stonedstooge
02-12-2012, 08:43 PM
The Royals won their division 6 times and made one World Series appearance from 1976 to 1984, before winning it all in '85... including divison titles 3 years in a row in '76, '77 and '78 losing to the Yankees one step short of the World Series all 3 times. 1985 was the 7th division title and first and only World Series title. Just throwing it out there while we're talking about this subject.

I don't think anyone touches the Buffalo Bills 4 straight Super Bowls without a win though.

Fuck the Yankees. Just had to get that off my chest

Demonpenz
02-12-2012, 09:07 PM
Seattle Mariners. Griffey, Randy Johnson, Edgar Martinez, A-Rod.