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Chiefshrink
02-15-2012, 08:51 AM
why the Tea Party has come about. It's Marxist sh** like this. Looks like Marxist Michelle is finally implementing here Stalinist healthy food plan.

Heaven forbid if you pack a twinkie for your kid:eek:

Preschooler’s Homemade Lunch Replaced with Cafeteria “Nuggets”
State agent inspects sack lunches, forces preschoolers to purchase cafeteria food instead
By Sara Burrows
Feb. 14th, 2012|

RAEFORD — A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because a state employee told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious.

The girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the agent who was inspecting all lunch boxes in her More at Four classroom that day.

The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs — including in-home day care centers — to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home.

When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones.

The girl’s mother — who said she wishes to remain anonymous to protect her daughter from retaliation — said she received a note from the school stating that students who did not bring a “healthy lunch” would be offered the missing portions, which could result in a fee from the cafeteria, in her case $1.25.

“I don't feel that I should pay for a cafeteria lunch when I provide lunch for her from home,” the mother wrote in a complaint to her state representative, Republican G.L. Pridgen of Robeson County.

The girl’s grandmother, who sometimes helps pack her lunch, told Carolina Journal that she is a petite, picky 4-year-old who eats white whole wheat bread and is not big on vegetables.

“What got me so mad is, number one, don’t tell my kid I’m not packing her lunch box properly,” the girl’s mother told CJ. “I pack her lunchbox according to what she eats. It always consists of a fruit. It never consists of a vegetable. She eats vegetables at home because I have to watch her because she doesn’t really care for vegetables.”

When the girl came home with her lunch untouched, her mother wanted to know what she ate instead. Three chicken nuggets, the girl answered. Everything else on her cafeteria tray went to waste.

“She came home with her whole sandwich I had packed, because she chose to eat the nuggets on the lunch tray, because they put it in front of her,” her mother said. “You’re telling a 4-year-old. ‘oh. you’re lunch isn’t right,’ and she’s thinking there’s something wrong with her food.”

While the mother and grandmother thought the potato chips and lack of vegetable were what disqualified the lunch, a spokeswoman for the Division of Child Development said that should not have been a problem.

“With a turkey sandwich, that covers your protein, your grain, and if it had cheese on it, that’s the dairy,” said Jani Kozlowski, the fiscal and statutory policy manager for the division. “It sounds like the lunch itself would’ve met all of the standard.” The lunch has to include a fruit or vegetable, but not both, she said.

There are no clear restrictions about what additional items — like potato chips — can be included in preschoolers’ lunch boxes.

“If a parent sends their child with a Coke and a Twinkie, the child care provider is going to need to provide a balanced lunch for the child,” Kozlowski said.

Ultimately, the child care provider can’t take the Coke and Twinkie away from the child, but Kozlowski said she “would think the Pre-K provider would talk with the parent about that not being a healthy choice for their child.”

It is unclear whether the school was allowed to charge for the cafeteria lunches they gave to every preschooler in the class that day.

The state regulation reads:

“Sites must provide breakfast and/or snacks and lunch meeting USDA requirements during the regular school day. The partial/full cost of meals may be charged when families do not qualify for free/reduced price meals.

“When children bring their own food for meals and snacks to the center, if the food does not meet the specified nutritional requirements, the center must provide additional food necessary to meet those requirements.”

Still, Kozlowski said, the parents shouldn’t have been charged.

“The school may have interpreted [the rule] to mean they felt like the lunch wasn’t meeting the nutritional requirements and so they wanted the child to have the school lunch and then charged the parent,” she said. “It sounds like maybe a technical assistance need for that school.”

The school principal, Jackie Samuels, said he didn’t “know anything about” parents being charged for the meals that day. “I know they eat in the cafeteria. Whether they pay or not, they eat in the cafeteria.”

Pridgen’s office is looking into the issue.

Sara Burrows is an associate editor of Carolina Journal.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 08:59 AM
It takes a Village...

Easy 6
02-15-2012, 08:59 AM
I'm 100% for laws making sure that school served lunches are balanced & healthy, but telling people what they can & cant send from home is going much too far.

I'm sure this wont last, what are they gonna do, put a federal inspector in every school?

jiveturkey
02-15-2012, 09:02 AM
I doubt that you'll find anyone who supports this type of action.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 09:02 AM
I'm 100% for laws making sure that school served lunches are balanced & healthy, but telling people what they can & cant send from home is going much too far.

I'm sure this wont last, what are they gonna do, put a federal inspector in every school?


How many jobs would that create....good idea

cookster50
02-15-2012, 09:11 AM
I doubt that you'll find less than 10 morons on Chiefsplanet who supports this type of action.
FYP

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 09:12 AM
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Mooch-Fat-Ass.jpg

Deberg_1990
02-15-2012, 09:13 AM
Chicken Nuggets are more healthy than a turkey and cheese sammy?

blaise
02-15-2012, 09:22 AM
I don't know about how true the story is, but at my kids school they're supposed to bring a, "healthy snack". And if it's cookies or something they'll tell the kid it's not healthy. The thing is, where are they drawing the lines? If I give my kids some organic cookie it's not really less healthy than some processed crackers with fake cheese in the middle. But the crackers are healthy and the cookie is not.
I think if I pack my kid's lunch or snack the teachers need to stay out of it.
They let the kids at most schools buy all kinds of ice cream bars at lunch anyway.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-15-2012, 09:29 AM
Good is the new bad, bad is the new good.

Amnorix
02-15-2012, 09:47 AM
Wow, stupid.

Predarat
02-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Welcome to the USSA! Hopefully we do not have to put up with this shit for 5 more years. 1 more is enough.

mlyonsd
02-15-2012, 10:17 AM
Nanny state. The state can manage your affairs much better than you do.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2012, 10:27 AM
If this is true, it's beyond stupid--and it will not stand.

Don't let that detract you from your silly hyperbole that this is a serious trend.

Predarat
02-15-2012, 10:56 AM
Plus as others have said, how are fucking chicken nuggets good for you?

Pitt Gorilla
02-15-2012, 12:16 PM
Isn't this a state issue?

La literatura
02-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Isn't this a state issue?

No, this is one of the many Obama = Stalin issues.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 02:21 PM
I doubt that you'll find anyone who supports this type of action.

I know someone who does. A strong Obama supporter and self-admitted socialist. He says the parents support it—majority rule rules. Welcome to democracy folks! The tyranny of the majority.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 02:22 PM
Isn't this a state issue?

It's a not a govt issue.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 02:23 PM
It's a not a govt issue.

What people bring to govt schools isn't a govt issue?

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 02:24 PM
Plus as others have said, how are ****ing chicken nuggets good for you?

Twinkies are legal too!

blaise
02-15-2012, 02:24 PM
If they stop childhood obesity we'll lose some of the best movie characters around. Little fat kids.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 02:24 PM
What people bring to govt schools isn't a govt issue?

Not their food—no! A bomb—yes!

blaise
02-15-2012, 02:27 PM
It's one thing if a kid is going to school with no food and they have to make him buy a lunch. But they really don't need to be examining kids lunchboxes and deciding what's good and what isn't. The parent packed it, just leave it alone.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 02:32 PM
It's one thing if a kid is going to school with no food and they have to make him buy a lunch. But they really don't need to be examining kids lunchboxes and deciding what's good and what isn't. The parent packed it, just leave it alone.

Plus this kids lunch wasn't even unhealthy. Having to have a particular food group though is stupid because some people think dairy is unhealthy and there are many kids with allergies to it. Plus some kids just won't eat certain foods. Give them what they will eat out of those food groups.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 02:36 PM
Not their food—no! A bomb—yes!

What about poisoned food?

La literatura
02-15-2012, 02:37 PM
Plus this kids lunch wasn't even unhealthy. Having to have a particular food group though is stupid because some people think dairy is unhealthy and there are many kids with allergies to it. Plus some kids just won't eat certain foods. Give them what they will eat out of those food groups.

There you go. Gov't is forcing milk-allerged kids to drink milk.

Just like Stalin did in the Gulag.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 02:40 PM
Not their food—no! A bomb—yes!

What about food that contains nuts? Can schools prohibit those?

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 02:45 PM
What about poisoned food?

That's not what this was designed for. How many parents try to poison the food of their children? How many incidents have been reported? If so it should be a very local school
matter and they could call in authorities if there is any probable cause. That's not what is happening here. This is an instrusive policy.

This is inspection before the fact—always a bad idea. You seem to see no limits to the dangers of Federal or local govt authority. Your position is naive and shifts the argument over to someone trying to commit a crime which is illegal. Stay within the frame of the argument.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 02:47 PM
That's not what this was designed for. How many parents try to poison the food of their children.
This is inspection before the fact—always a bad idea. You seem to see no limits to the dangers of Federal or local govt authority. Your position is naive and shifts the argument over to someone trying to commit a crime which is illegal. Stay within the frame of the argument.

I'm just trying to test the boundaries of what is acceptable. In my opinion, I think schools should be able to govern what comes into the school, including lunches. I have no problem with a state that mandates all students to eat a healthy meal. I also have no expectation that this will be regularly enforced.

Schools should also be able to mandate acceptable clothes to wear to school, in my opinion. Acceptable food, acceptable clothes. Basically, military style.

blaise
02-15-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm just trying to test the boundaries of what is acceptable. In my opinion, I think schools should be able to govern what comes into the school, including lunches. I have no problem with a state that mandates all students to eat a healthy meal. I also have no expectation that this will be regularly enforced.

Schools should also be able to mandate acceptable clothes to wear to school, in my opinion. Acceptable food, acceptable clothes. Basically, military style.

Most teachers aren't nutritionists, so I don't know that most are qualified to say what's healthy and what isn't. Not unless it's just fundamental things like no Coke. But they aren't able to look in a ziploc bag and decide what's good and what isn't.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 02:54 PM
Most teachers aren't nutritionists, so I don't know that most are qualified to say what's healthy and what isn't. Not unless it's just fundamental things like no Coke. But they aren't able to look in a ziploc bag and decide what's good and what isn't.

Teachers don't need to be nutritionists in order for there to be a school policy that all lunches must include each of the food groups.

blaise
02-15-2012, 02:57 PM
Teachers don't need to be nutritionists in order for there to be a school policy that all lunches must include each of the food groups.

A lot of people say that processed meat products are cancerous. Lunch meats, for instance. The kinds that kids eat in Lunchables. Are we saying that's healthier than a cookie? So, the school should be able to basically say hot dog meat is better than an oatmeal raisin cookie?

La literatura
02-15-2012, 03:00 PM
A lot of people say that processed meat products are cancerous. Lunch meats, for instance. The kinds that kids eat in Lunchables. Are we saying that's healthier than a cookie? So, the school should be able to basically say hot dog meat is better than an oatmeal raisin cookie?

I'm not saying Lunchable meat or hot dogs are healthier than a oatmeal raisin cookie. I'm just saying a school should be able to have a policy that kids must have a lunch that is healthy and includes whole wheat, vegetables, fruit, dairy (or not if they are allergic) and protein.

blaise
02-15-2012, 03:02 PM
I'm not saying Lunchable meat or hot dogs are healthier than a oatmeal raisin cookie. I'm just saying a school should be able to have a policy that kids must have a lunch that is healthy and includes whole wheat, vegetables, fruit, dairy (or not if they are allergic) and protein.

They'll know it's whole wheat? Good luck.
Half the stuff that says "Whole Wheat" in the store isn't whole wheat.

blaise
02-15-2012, 03:07 PM
I think it would be more practical to say certain items are not permitted, like soft drinks.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 03:09 PM
I think it would be more practical to say certain items are not permitted, like soft drinks.

Which is a policy that each individual school or district should be allowed to make—not some command coming down from the Federal govt which has ZERO authority in this area.
My kid's former private school had a no sugar policy but had exceptions for holiday parties which were held later in the afternoon after all academic work was completed for the day.

Meanwhile, the public schools have had soft drinks and crappy snacks sold in vending machines in the schools.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 03:12 PM
Literature,

Personally, I agree that many lunches packed by working Moms are gross and non-nutritious. They are too tired or bothered to make something homemade. Hence the convenience of lunchables have popped up in the market to cater to this need. But the left advocates women working too. Most of all most people know little nutrition and they accept govt standards, which are worse, unquestioningly. It's a shame.

However, there are health advocates out there that don't agree with the Govt's Food Pyramid.

dirk digler
02-15-2012, 03:13 PM
I think it would be more practical to say certain items are not permitted, like soft drinks.

IMHO the biggest problem isn't what they eat it is that they don't exercise.

Growing up there was no Xbox or computer and in order to have fun we had to actually go outside and do stuff. Now a days kids just sit on their fat ass playing video games.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 03:14 PM
They'll know it's whole wheat? Good luck.
Half the stuff that says "Whole Wheat" in the store isn't whole wheat.

The bread thing isn't a big deal to me.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 03:16 PM
Literature,

Personally, I agree that many lunches packed by working Moms are gross and non-nutritious. They are too tired or bothered to make something homemade. Hence the convenience of lunchables have popped up in the market to cater to this need. But the left advocates women working too. Most of all most people know little nutrition and they accept govt standards, which are worse, unquestioningly. It's a shame.

However, there are health advocates out there that don't agree with the Govt's Food Pyramid.

If a parent can't pack their kids lunch, and their kid won't pack it, then just use the school meals provided.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 03:16 PM
Peanut butter and jam on Wonderbread should be outlawed and parents who feed this to kids should be fined and put under watch to determine if they are quality parents.

Schools are in the ideal position to enforce this and mandates should be sent home telling the parents what they can feed the children and the quantity.

This is perfect use of resources.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 03:17 PM
IMHO the biggest problem isn't what they eat it is that they don't exercise.

Growing up there was no Xbox or computer and in order to have fun we had to actually go outside and do stuff. Now a days kids just sit on their fat ass playing video games.

It's both. My kid's former day care center provided lunch but it was so disgusting with fatty processed lunch meat I never allowed her to have it and provided my own. One skinny slice on over-processed white bread. Then they'd serve it with over pasteurized processed milk that is no longer milk. I still had to pay for it though as it was a one fee pays for all deal.

I'd make chicken or turkey or buy roast beef cold cuts and put a tomato slice with green lettuce on hers and others would ask her why she had salad in her sandwich. It was funny that they called it that.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 03:18 PM
Peanut butter and jam on Wonderbread should be outlawed and parents who feed this to kids should be fined and put under watch to determine if they are quality parents.

Schools are in the ideal position to enforce this and mandates should be sent home telling the parents what they can feed the children and the quantity.

This is perfect use of resources.

Schools are in a good position to enforce healthy food standards. They are authorities, overseen by a democratic process, and are close to the targeted group (children).

blaise
02-15-2012, 03:20 PM
The bread thing isn't a big deal to me.

I'm just saying- policies like that are sort of impractical. When you pack a kid's lunch, you can't always get veggies in there. Kids are picky. There's no sense telling parents they have to pack veggies when the kid is just going to toss it. The only veggies most parents pack are carrot sticks. You can't just give them 5 days a week.
Plus, the "healthy meal" of the food groups is suspect. The school will serve processed chicken, corn, and applesauce or something. The chicken is crap, the corn has basically no nutritional value, and the applesauce probably has corn syrup in it.
If I pack my kid a breakfast bar, even if it's coated in chocolate, and yogurt and some crackers and cheese, I'm not going to fulfill their requirements, but it's probably more healthy than what they serve, in reality.
I'd rather they make recommendations and prohibit certain items. If they start saying, "You don't have ___, therefore you have to buy it." That's just going to cost the parents money for an item the kid probably won't eat.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 03:21 PM
Schools are in a good position to enforce healthy food standards. They are authorities, overseen by a democratic process, and are close to the targeted group (children).

Where does the US Constitution confer this authority or local schools? Nowhere!

They are not the authorities, certainly not the best authorities either. This whole idea promotes authoritarianism. It is also not the democratic process. Oh wait, it is because we're being changed into a democracy to implement socialism if the majority wants it. F people's rights. People have rights in this country. To hell with the majority here.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 03:22 PM
If the government can stop an Amish farmer from selling his unprocessed milk then they can order parents to do as they are told on other food items.

The best would be for all schools to grow, process and prepare the food but that may be difficult. So they should have government operated farms where only approved food is grown and supplied direct to the schools.

Maybe the children can get involved in safe jobs like kneading the bread or grinding the wheat.

dirk digler
02-15-2012, 03:22 PM
It's both. My kid's former day care center provided lunch but it was so disgusting with fatty processed lunch meat I never allowed her to have it and provided my own. One skinny slice on over-processed white bread. Then they'd serve it with over pasteurized processed milk that is no longer milk. I still had to pay for it though as it was a one fee pays for all deal.

I'd make chicken or turkey or buy roast beef cold cuts and put a tomato slice with green lettuce on hers and others would ask her why she had salad in her sandwich. It was funny that they called it that.

It could be both but I just remember they use to serve us pizza, hamburgers, french fries, lasagne and spaghetti for lunch and I don't remember any grossly fat kids in our school, not like what you see today anyway.

LiveSteam
02-15-2012, 03:24 PM
I remember the nasty stew. It looked like puke.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 03:24 PM
I'm just saying- policies like that are sort of impractical. When you pack a kid's lunch, you can't always get veggies in there. Kids are picky. There's no sense telling parents they have to pack veggies when the kid is just going to toss it. The only veggies most parents pack are carrot sticks. You can't just give them 5 days a week.
Plus, the "healthy meal" of the food groups is suspect. The school will serve processed chicken, corn, and applesauce or something. The chicken is crap, the corn has basically no nutritional value, and the applesauce probably has corn syrup in it.
If I pack my kid a breakfast bar, even if it's coated in chocolate, and yogurt and some crackers and cheese, I'm not going to fulfill their requirements, but it's probably more healthy than what they serve, in reality.
I'd rather they make recommendations and prohibit certain items. If they start saying, "You don't have ___, therefore you have to buy it." That's just going to cost the parents money for an item the kid probably won't eat.

The school should serve healthier stuff.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 03:27 PM
It could be both but I just remember they use to serve us pizza, hamburgers, french fries, lasagne and spaghetti for lunch and I don't remember any grossly fat kids in our school, not like what you see today anyway.

I wouldn't say those are nutritious either. I would even say the carb loading is what makes for overweight today. In your case you probably worked it off. I was always running around in the woods, riding my bike or had to walk where I wanted to go unless very far. So I worked it off too. Aside from weight issues though, are nutritional issues too.

So do you meet the test of proper nutrition yourself today?

Do you have a deep green leafy vegetable daily, that is not overcooked?
Do you have a deep yellow vegetable or fruit every other day?
Do you eat some of your vegetables raw?
Do you eat 6-8 servings from fruits and vegetables daily?
Are some of these cruciferous?
Do you consume transfats?
Do you buy and consumer GM foods?
Do you eat whole grains for your grains?
Do you drink enough good water daily?
Do you drink commercial milk?
How much processed sugar do you eat daily?

La literatura
02-15-2012, 03:27 PM
Where does the US Constitution confer this authority or local schools? Nowhere!

They are not the authorities, certainly not the best authorities either. This whole idea promotes authoritarianism. It is also not the democratic process. Oh wait, it is because we're being changed into a democracy to implement socialism if the majority wants it. F people's rights. People have rights in this country. To hell with the majority here.

Where does the US Constitution deny this authority to local school districts and state governments? I thought you were an originalist, as in, the Constitution was not meant to restrict states, who were politically accountable to the state citizens.

If a state sees kids getting obese, and eating bad food at school, there are rational reasons to start enforcing healthy measures. 1) It promotes the physical strength of the state 2) It reduces medical costs 3) If healthy food increases healthy minds, it increases the effectiveness of public education.

Calcountry
02-15-2012, 03:29 PM
If this is true, it's beyond stupid--and it will not stand.

Don't let that detract you from your silly hyperbole that this is a serious trend.Bury your head in the sand.

blaise
02-15-2012, 03:30 PM
The school should serve healthier stuff.

So, basically you're saying they're not a good judge of what's healthy or not, after all.
Maybe they shouldn't get in people's lunchboxes then.

dirk digler
02-15-2012, 03:30 PM
I wouldn't say those are nutritious either. I would even say the carb loading is what makes for overweight today. In your case you probably worked it off. I was always running around in the woods, riding my bike or had to walk where I wanted to go unless very far. So I worked it off too. Aside from weight issues though, are nutritional issues too.

So do you meet the test of proper nutrition yourself today?

Do you have a deep green leafy vegetable daily, that is not overcooked?
Do you have a deep yellow vegetable or fruit every other day?
Do you eat some of your vegetables raw?
Do you eat 6-8 servings from fruits and vegetables daily?
Do you consume transfats?
Do you eat whole grains for your grains?
Do you drink enough good water daily?
Do you drink commercial milk?

It wasn't nutritious that was my point and we didn't have a bunch of fat kids. My theory is just like you said, people went outside and did stuff instead of sitting on the couch like they do now.

And to answer question..fuck no :D

La literatura
02-15-2012, 03:35 PM
So, basically you're saying they're not a good judge of what's healthy or not, after all.
Maybe they shouldn't get in people's lunchboxes then.

I'm not saying they're not a good judge of what's healthy. I'm saying they don't need to be the judge there. They can just be the enforcer.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 03:36 PM
Where does the US Constitution deny this authority to local school districts and state governments?
This question is invalid since the document was written to restrain the Federal govt primarily. As such it has to enumerate a power. If there is no power enumerated for this there is no authority for that power.

I thought you were an originalist, as in, the Constitution was not meant to restrict states, who were politically accountable to the state citizens.
See above and I have mentioned local schools already as in this is coming from the Federal govt down to the local schools. May I ask what part you haven't understood?

If a state sees kids getting obese, and eating bad food at school, there are rational reasons to start enforcing healthy measures. 1) It promotes the physical strength of the state 2) It reduces medical costs 3) If healthy food increases healthy minds, it increases the effectiveness of public education.
This is not being done by the states. It is coming from the Feds. I'd argue that states can overreach too. Never said they couldn't. Since the US Constitution gaurantees a Republican form of govt to each state and each state has a Constitution this is over reaching too.

Just because I support a state's right doesn't mean a policy can't be authoritarian. This is not what is happening though. You are shifting the argument a l'orange. If a local school serves lunch it certainly should be healthy and nutritious but they haven't even been that.

You are ignoring the key complaint here. This gestapo style inspection of homemade lunches without any probable cause on an individual basis. Also that they govt's substitution for the homemade food is not healthier. So they do not have the child's best interest at heart. All they have to do in the case of a malnourished of underfed child is call the parent in to see what's up and have them correct it as it affects learning.

LiveSteam
02-15-2012, 03:44 PM
Bob Beckel. " My teachers all smoked cigs in our classroom" LMAO

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 03:54 PM
And to answer question..**** no :D

Well, be prepared for the degenerative diseases as you age. Unless BIG MOMMA Michelle gets the Feds involved to save your from your habits. In fact, that's probably coming if the govt continues its involvement in healthcare to keep their bill down.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 03:56 PM
What would the appropriate penalty be for sending the child to school with white bread and carrot sticks? Jenson says the schools would serve as the enforcer as well they should. But enforcement is only good if the penalty will change the parents aberrant behavior and get them to fall in line with the foods that are prescribed.

How many times can one violate the dictates of the food department before more drastic measures are taken?

dirk digler
02-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Well, be prepared for the degenerative diseases as you age. Unless BIG MOMMA Michelle gets the Feds involved to save your from your habits. In fact, that's probably coming if the govt continues its involvement in healthcare to keep their bill down.

I don't eat horrible but I don't eat great either. I exercise a little and just a tad overweight, not bad for a 40 + yr old. I do need to exercise more so I am going to buy a bike and have more sex.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 04:04 PM
This is exactly why we need to move forward and stop this behavior. Starting in grade school, we can reinvent the notion of child raising and bring people into line.


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BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:05 PM
I don't eat horrible but I don't eat great either. I exercise a little and just a tad overweight, not bad for a 40 + yr old. I do need to exercise more so I am going to buy a bike and have more sex.

...and add more deep greens along with raw fruits and veggies.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:06 PM
This is exactly why we need to move forward and stop this behavior. Starting in grade school, we can reinvent the notion of child raising and bring people into line.

Are you saying this is the role of the govt too? Sounds like you should ask Michelle out for a date.

RubberSponge
02-15-2012, 04:06 PM
Should have been titled, Dumb kid can't understand simple instructions.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8544298

Assistant Superintendant Bob Barnes said the official didn't tell the child she had to replace her lunch with chicken nuggets. Instead, they told her she had to go through the line and get some milk - per federal guidelines - and she misunderstood and replaced her entire lunch.

"I think that the child became confused about what she had to do. I think the child, instead of going over and picking up the milk, I think the child, for whatever reason, thought she had to go through the line and get a school meal which, that's not our policy," said Barnes.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:07 PM
What would the appropriate penalty be for sending the child to school with white bread and carrot sticks? Jenson says the schools would serve as the enforcer as well they should. But enforcement is only good if the penalty will change the parents aberrant behavior and get them to fall in line with the foods that are prescribed.

How many times can one violate the dictates of the food department before more drastic measures are taken?

Are you advocating the govt be a behavior modification clinic too?

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:08 PM
Should have been titled, Dumb kid can't understand simple instructions.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8544298

Well, that's gestapo too. The milk they serve is crap that no one should touch. It's so processed that most of the milk's nutrition is dead. It's not really milk anymore.
If that were my kid, I'd sue the school for forcing her to drink their milk. I don't even buy it at the supermarket. Many of my recipes have been substituted with coconut milk
which is better for you. But, you see, I am ahead of the govt food nazis.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 04:15 PM
Are you saying this is the role of the govt too? Sounds like you should ask Michelle out for a date.


Im just trying to understand and support the role that Jenson/Literature stated some posts back.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 04:18 PM
Are you advocating the govt be a behavior modification clinic too?


Jenson said the schools were a good enforcer of the proper diet. It cannot enforce without imposing a penalty. And if the penalty is severe enough then we will see behavior modification as a result.

Indeed the carrot and the stick can bring about the behaviors Michelle has determined is best for us.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 04:35 PM
I'm just trying to test the boundaries of what is acceptable. In my opinion, I think schools should be able to govern what comes into the school, including lunches. I have no problem with a state that mandates all students to eat a healthy meal. I also have no expectation that this will be regularly enforced.

Schools should also be able to mandate acceptable clothes to wear to school, in my opinion. Acceptable food, acceptable clothes. Basically, military style.

How about I pack my kids' lunch with food I bought and it's none of the fucking school's business?

As someone earlier stated...you're gonna shove some processed, deep fried, or worse, simulated deep fried, mystery meat that tastes like chicken in some kids' mouth and say it is healthier than a turkey and cheese sammy on whole wheat white bread? LMAO

The schools should be required to serve healthy foods. The kids' should not be required to buy it.

How about you let the parents raise the kids and leave the schools to the academic issues?

That is the problem with public schools today. Particularly in the inner-cities. Too many parents expect the schools to play the parent instead of working together like it was in years past.

In my day the teacher could knock the crap out of you, you did say "under God" in the pledge every morning, and no one gave a crap about what you ate for lunch. If you believe the numbers, kids today aren't as smart as they used to be but hey, we have teachers monitoring the lunch box of 4 year olds.

FFS the Jr. High down the street from me,which is in a sub-urb and what is considered to be a very good school district makes the kids "type" their homework. No hand-written work anymore.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:36 PM
Jenson said the schools were a good enforcer of the proper diet. It cannot enforce without imposing a penalty. And if the penalty is severe enough then we will see behavior modification as a result.

Indeed the carrot and the stick can bring about the behaviors Michelle has determined is best for us.

I know all that. What I don't understand is your support of it since you haven't disagreed with it.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 04:36 PM
Should have been titled, Dumb kid can't understand simple instructions.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8544298

Why did she have to get milk? What was wrong with her apple juice??

petegz28
02-15-2012, 04:38 PM
Fucking schools....heaven forbid a 4 yr old brings apple juice to school and not milk!!!! And then blame her because she, a 4 yr old, was confused!!!!

That's Class A academics right there, that's what that is!

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 04:40 PM
I know all that. What I don't understand is your support of it since you haven't disagreed with it.

Im trying to understand. One can discuss without being against or for everything. In a civil discussion we try to understand all sides. Put yourself in the other guys shoes.

whoman69
02-15-2012, 04:41 PM
Not even gonna read the OP. A Stalinist food plan would mean that you have starved 30 million people to death, Call me again when Michelle Obama forces a mother to choose which one of her children doesn't get a piece of a beet which is the only remaining food in the house. Otherwise STFU

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:42 PM
Im trying to understand. One can discuss without being against or for everything. In a civil discussion we try to understand all sides. Put yourself in the other guys shoes.
Do you do that with Muslims?

I support the Constitution and I will never side with such gestapo or authoritarian policies by the state. Besides, many health professionals think milk today is not necessary for good health and in some downright unhealthy. I support such freedom of choice—not the stinkin' govt food pyramid.

I said where I could see some actions—but in a way that does not target all parents as suspects.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 04:46 PM
Do you do that with Muslims?

I support the Constitution and I will never side with such gestapo or authoritarian policies by the state. Besides, many health professionals think milk today is not necessary for good health and in some downright unhealthy. I support such freedom of choice—not the stinkin' govt food pyramid.

I said where I could see some actions—but in a way that does not target all parents as suspects.

No I don't. I hope muslims are fed horrible food. Buggy bread and such. They can retch on spoiled goat milk for all I care. They are an uncivil people so what do they have to do with the school lunch program in Anywhere Kansas or Somewhere Missouri.

We used to have Fish on Friday when I was in school. That was nice. Everyone liked it and it accommodated the Catholics and Episcopalians who don't eat meat on Friday.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 04:49 PM
It's pretty simple. School lunches should be mandated to meet certain health guidelines. What's in a kids' lunch box is none of their business. Especially when you know good and damn well those same teachers are scarfing down left-over pizza and slamming a diet coke with it.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:54 PM
No I don't. I hope muslims are fed horrible food. Buggy bread and such. They can retch on spoiled goat milk for all I care. They are an uncivil people so what do they have to do with the school lunch program in Anywhere Kansas or Somewhere Missouri.

This is just bigoted hate. Ya' know the same demonization that Nazis engaged in about Jews. Many felt it was true and believed it.
However, my point is that you ask me to put myself in someone's shoes when you can't even do it elsewhere.

We used to have Fish on Friday when I was in school. That was nice. Everyone liked it and it accommodated the Catholics and Episcopalians who don't eat meat on Friday.

That's not the same category of thing here. You need to keep similarities, sameness and differences in the right categories as a point of logic. What you describe here is about a school lunch provided by the govt school. But the OP was about PRIVATE homemade lunches that a child brings with him. Apples and oranges. Yes the pun is intended.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 04:57 PM
This is just bigoted hate. Ya' know the same demonization that Nazis engaged in about Jews. Many felt it was true and believed it.
However, my point is that you ask me to put myself in someone's shoes when you can't even do it elsewhere.



That's not the same category of thing here. You need to keep similarities, sameness and differences in the right categories as a point of logic. What you describe here is about a school lunch provided by the govt school. But the OP was about PRIVATE homemade lunches that a child brings with him. Apples and oranges. Yes the pun is intended.




are you always this serious?

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 04:59 PM
are you always this serious?

Changing the conversation onto the poster now instead? I am being no more serious than you are on the things you hate.
It's just conversation on an issue about what the proper role of govt is. I am just surprised since you've been so critical of the Obama administration and his wife for their intrusive type policies. Then again, you do like agricultural subsidies.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 05:01 PM
You really don't get a lot of things.


I have a meeting to go to. We are having Pizza and Dr Pepper.


Ill have some extra.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 05:08 PM
This question is invalid since the document was written to restrain the Federal govt primarily. As such it has to enumerate a power. If there is no power enumerated for this there is no authority for that power.

I'm talking about a school's power to enforce healthy foods. Not the federal gov't. A school is not the federal gov't. The Constitution was written to restrict federal power, not state power. The Constitution was not written to restrict the school's ability to limit what types of foods children can bring into the school grounds.

See above and I have mentioned local schools already as in this is coming from the Federal govt down to the local schools. May I ask what part you haven't understood?

Schools can adopt the federal standards, and must if they accept federal funds.

This is not being done by the states. It is coming from the Feds. I'd argue that states can overreach too. Never said they couldn't. Since the US Constitution gaurantees a Republican form of govt to each state and each state has a Constitution this is over reaching too.

Just because I support a state's right doesn't mean a policy can't be authoritarian. This is not what is happening though. You are shifting the argument a l'orange. If a local school serves lunch it certainly should be healthy and nutritious but they haven't even been that.

You are ignoring the key complaint here. This gestapo style inspection of homemade lunches without any probable cause on an individual basis. Also that they govt's substitution for the homemade food is not healthier. So they do not have the child's best interest at heart. All they have to do in the case of a malnourished of underfed child is call the parent in to see what's up and have them correct it as it affects learning.

This isn't a gestapo style inspection. It's not Stalinist. It's just standards for healthy eating in public schools.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 05:11 PM
What would the appropriate penalty be for sending the child to school with white bread and carrot sticks?

Whatever the cost of an apple and a small milk.

Or death.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 05:12 PM
I'm talking about a school's power to enforce healthy foods. Not the federal gov't. A school is not the federal gov't. The Constitution was written to restrict federal power, not state power. The Constitution was not written to restrict the school's ability to limit what types of foods children can bring into the school grounds.



Schools can adopt the federal standards, and must if they accept federal funds.



This isn't a gestapo style inspection. It's not Stalinist. It's just standards for healthy eating in public schools.

You're last statement is pure BS. I won't call it Stalinish or anything other than just plain ****ing dumb. What a kid brings from home food-wise is of no concern to the school. They didn't pay for it, they didn't provide it in anyway so it's frankly none of their damn business. Especially, as I said earlier, most of the teachers won't be eating the same foods they are forcing the kids to eat.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 05:13 PM
Whatever the cost of an apple and a small milk.

Or death.

I don't know if you're trying to be funny or serious. I am tempted to ask WTF the difference is between bread and carrots vs. milk and apple?

La literatura
02-15-2012, 05:16 PM
How about I pack my kids' lunch with food I bought and it's none of the fucking school's business?

As someone earlier stated...you're gonna shove some processed, deep fried, or worse, simulated deep fried, mystery meat that tastes like chicken in some kids' mouth and say it is healthier than a turkey and cheese sammy on whole wheat white bread? LMAO

The schools should be required to serve healthy foods. The kids' should not be required to buy it.

How about you let the parents raise the kids and leave the schools to the academic issues?

That is the problem with public schools today. Particularly in the inner-cities. Too many parents expect the schools to play the parent instead of working together like it was in years past.

In my day the teacher could knock the crap out of you, you did say "under God" in the pledge every morning, and no one gave a crap about what you ate for lunch. If you believe the numbers, kids today aren't as smart as they used to be but hey, we have teachers monitoring the lunch box of 4 year olds.

FFS the Jr. High down the street from me,which is in a sub-urb and what is considered to be a very good school district makes the kids "type" their homework. No hand-written work anymore.

No handwritten work? Wow, things really are getting out of control. Next thing you know, businesses will start telling their employees to type things out, instead of using the crayons and colored pencils of our golden era of commerce and industry.

Your school lunch effects public education. If you give kids a bunch of sugar and bad food, they get hyped up right after lunch and then fall asleep in the classroom afterwards.

But healthy food helps promote strong bodies and strong minds.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 05:17 PM
You're last statement is pure BS. I won't call it Stalinish or anything other than just plain ****ing dumb. What a kid brings from home food-wise is of no concern to the school. They didn't pay for it, they didn't provide it in anyway so it's frankly none of their damn business. Especially, as I said earlier, most of the teachers won't be eating the same foods they are forcing the kids to eat.

That is not true. Bad food effects kids' learning in a negative way. Good food promotes education.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 05:18 PM
I don't know if you're trying to be funny or serious. I am tempted to ask WTF the difference is between bread and carrots vs. milk and apple?

If the kid comes to school with a sack lunch of bread and carrots, and he gets an additional milk and an apple from the school, the parents should have to pay for the milk and apple.

LiveSteam
02-15-2012, 05:22 PM
I will pick my kid up everyday for lunch before I let some rich 1/2 breed & his fat ass wife tell me what I will & will not feed my kid.
Am I a racist? You god dam right I am. I hate that mother fucker & his fat ass wife

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 05:23 PM
You really don't get a lot of things.
This has nothing to do with me being able to get things. It has to do with your inconsistency.


I have a meeting to go to. We are having Pizza and Dr Pepper.


Ill have some extra.

Cool. I had natural peanut sandwich on whole grain gluten free bread.

LiveSteam
02-15-2012, 05:24 PM
This has nothing to do with me being able to get things. It has to do with your inconsistency.




Cool. I had natural peanut sandwich on whole grain gluten free bread.

You have Yeast problem's dont you.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 05:26 PM
You have Yeast problem's dont you.

Nope. You have a plural versus possessive problem though.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 05:36 PM
If the kid comes to school with a sack lunch of bread and carrots, and he gets an additional milk and an apple from the school, the parents should have to pay for the milk and apple.

If they get it from the school I agree.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 05:37 PM
That is not true. Bad food effects kids' learning in a negative way. Good food promotes education.

You mean like teachers and other adults who drink coffee all day? Or tea, or soda even if diet?

Milk will put you to sleep too.

Brock
02-15-2012, 05:38 PM
You mean like teachers and other adults who drink coffee all day? Or tea, or soda even if diet?

Milk will put you to sleep too.

coffee is good for you.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 05:40 PM
You mean like teachers and other adults who drink coffee all day? Or tea, or soda even if diet?

Milk will put you to sleep too.

Coffee and tea don't negatively effect work. In fact, they seem to positively effect work. A small carton of milk won't put kids to sleep. I'm more interested in the students, who don't realize what's at stake when they go to school.

petegz28
02-15-2012, 05:42 PM
Coffee and tea don't negatively effect work. In fact, they seem to positively effect work. A small carton of milk won't put kids to sleep. I'm more interested in the students, who don't realize what's at stake when they go to school.

Yeah cause a 4 yr old should take their career as a student very seriously!

La literatura
02-15-2012, 05:44 PM
Yeah cause a 4 yr old should take their career as a student very seriously!

Why shouldn't a student be put in the best position to succeed at school?

Johnny Vegas
02-15-2012, 05:57 PM
your tax dollars at work people.

BucEyedPea
02-15-2012, 06:03 PM
coffee is good for you.

Yes it is! It's a fruit. As is chocolate. It's the sugar one puts in it, or even the dairy that's bad. I have several servings of fruit for breakfast. Two cups of java and some chocolate.


Actually, my blood work shows my body as doing well on coffee.

stonedstooge
02-15-2012, 06:11 PM
If I remember correctly, the food programs in public schools is federally funded. They reimburse schools for the free and reduced lunches, number of lunches served and provide commodities that the feds buy when available. Least it was when I did the books several years ago

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 07:47 PM
That is not true. Bad food effects kids' learning in a negative way. Good food promotes education.


Good food enhances learning.

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 07:51 PM
Why shouldn't a student be put in the best position to succeed at school?


Perhaps food is less a factor than educators and education?

La literatura
02-15-2012, 07:55 PM
Good food enhances learning.

Yes, and bad food retards learning.

La literatura
02-15-2012, 07:55 PM
Perhaps food is less a factor than educators and education?

Perhaps?

HonestChieffan
02-15-2012, 07:58 PM
If I remember correctly, the food programs in public schools is federally funded. They reimburse schools for the free and reduced lunches, number of lunches served and provide commodities that the feds buy when available. Least it was when I did the books several years ago

Its pretty amazing how that has changed. In the old days of my youth we had cooks who worked for the school. And the menus were pretty great as I recall. Now, schools farm out the lunchroom to commercial outfits and when you see the garbage they serve it makes you really wonder. Our school got so screwed up a kid could not under and circumstance buy lunch with money. They invested a ton of money in some electronic gizmos and used ID cards the kids carried. They would take money to the admin office to have the credit applied to the card thing. If there wasn't enough balance they couldn't pull out 3 bucks and pay.

Its all nuts. Then you get into the breakfasts/free food/subsidized lunch/fulll price lunch etc etc etc that requires even more cost to the school.

stevieray
02-15-2012, 11:16 PM
Thank goodness I've only got two years left before my youngest is out of the joke that is public/parent school.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2012, 11:47 PM
Thank goodness I've only got two years left before my youngest is out of the joke that is public/parent school.

Lucky me, I have one of the top public schools in the state but I will probably still keep him in a private school. There is no chance in hell I would send him to one of these POS schools.

BIG_DADDY
02-16-2012, 12:07 AM
LMAO Check out the menue at the public school district where I am at.

https://www.sodexoeducation.com/segment_0200/district_5501/enm/Entry1/view_pdf.asp?school=8&mealCategory=5&month=2012/2&fichier=201202_51_239_8_5.pdf&monthSelected=February%202012&schoolSelected=Jackson%20Elementary&mealSelected=Lunch&erreurPdf=

blaise
02-16-2012, 04:32 AM
I'm not saying they're not a good judge of what's healthy. I'm saying they don't need to be the judge there. They can just be the enforcer.

So, if they can require a student has each of the food groups, what will happen if a student shows up without vegetables in his lunch?

banyon
02-16-2012, 07:01 AM
You're last statement is pure BS. I won't call it Stalinish or anything other than just plain ****ing dumb. What a kid brings from home food-wise is of no concern to the school. They didn't pay for it, they didn't provide it in anyway so it's frankly none of their damn business. Especially, as I said earlier, most of the teachers won't be eating the same foods they are forcing the kids to eat.

What if what the kid brings in is maggot-infested and spoiled?

Chiefshrink
02-16-2012, 08:08 AM
What if what the kid brings in is maggot-infested and spoiled?

Spoiled milk, moldy bread/cheese at the most. BUT MAGGOT INFESTED????

Oh yeah, I forgot you are a Lib Lawyer. Explains your exaggeration:rolleyes:

King_Chief_Fan
02-16-2012, 08:11 AM
What if what the kid brings in is maggot-infested and spoiled?

i remember cafeteria food quite well....I think maggots would be an improvement

King_Chief_Fan
02-16-2012, 08:15 AM
Why shouldn't a student be put in the best position to succeed at school?

I think you start with teachers and curriculum...:hmmm:

Chiefshrink
02-16-2012, 08:28 AM
i remember cafeteria food quite well....I think maggots would be an improvement

ROFL

Chiefshrink
02-16-2012, 08:29 AM
:thumb:

I think you start with teachers and curriculum...:hmmm:

La literatura
02-16-2012, 08:30 AM
I think you start with teachers and curriculum...:hmmm:

This is a false dilemma.

petegz28
02-16-2012, 08:36 AM
What if what the kid brings in is maggot-infested and spoiled?

Let's be serious.

headsnap
02-16-2012, 09:05 AM
What if what the kid brings in is maggot-infested and spoiled?

LMAO

you call Child Protective Services, and if it is legit it does not end up on Chiefs Planet...

BucEyedPea
02-16-2012, 12:05 PM
Spoiled milk, moldy bread/cheese at the most. BUT MAGGOT INFESTED????

Oh yeah, I forgot you are a Lib Lawyer. Explains your exaggeration:rolleyes:

LMAO Yeah, these guys argue the extremes that are rare or probably never. I mean would the kid actually eat the moldy bread and cheese or not spit it out as it would taste bad? But the maggots? I doubt any kid would touch it. As if a 6 or 7 year old can't exercise some judgement.

This is what the left does when an abortion argument begins. They argue about the 1-2% of situations such as incest or rape and ignore the real argument which is abortion on demand. Deflection.

Chief Henry
02-16-2012, 12:12 PM
I think you start with teachers and curriculum...:hmmm:

I think you start with the School District master contract. The master contract ties the hand of the schools ADM. to keep poor teachers with
seniority....Allow school ADMN. to FIRE poor teachers and watch the schools
improve substantially. The NEA and local unions DICTATE who and who can't be let go. :shake:

Let Schools fire poor teachers and the schools willl improve greatly in a short period of time...imo

Chief Faithful
02-16-2012, 01:49 PM
Nothing like regulators with little cube offices in D.C. making up rules that bind the freedoms and libertys of parents in Carolina unaccountable to the people. And the regulators just keep increasing in number making up more rules as we go along.

Ugly Duck
02-16-2012, 05:44 PM
And you Libs wonder why the 'silent majority'(a la Tea Party) is no longer silent and

Libs wonder why you consider the Tea Party to be the majority when both Pew Reseach and CNN polls the TP at only 28%. Twenty-eight percent (28%) is a minority in most dictionaries.

PunkinDrublic
02-16-2012, 06:04 PM
Libs wonder why you consider the Tea Party to be the majority when both Pew Reseach and CNN polls the TP at only 28%. Twenty-eight percent (28%) is a minority in most dictionaries.

What part of silent don't you get?

Ugly Duck
02-16-2012, 06:17 PM
What part of silent don't you get?

So the Tea Party is neither silent nor the majority? Why, thats just a miss on all fronts....

jettio
02-16-2012, 08:53 PM
I think the wrong way to view this issue is to believe that the policy is not intended to help the kids whose parents do not feed them well and then go into some kind of hysteria about how it is intended to interfere with all the parents that provide proper nutrition to their kids.

There are some parents who never cook meals for their kids and those kids would not have decent nutrition except for what they eat at school.

I think the policy to make sure that kids from bad homes get better nutrition is a better idea than reading a news article, not understanding it and then starting some thread that tries to maximize the shared inability to figure out what is really going on.

banyon
02-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Let's be serious.

I was seriously examining your blanket statement that "what the kid brings in is none of their damn business".


Apparently you meant something less than that?

HonestChieffan
02-17-2012, 05:58 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cQpNY8nrcdo/Tz45tG3US4I/AAAAAAABCX8/1yasWDcYpKs/s400/theo3.jpg

petegz28
02-17-2012, 07:35 AM
I was seriously examining your blanket statement that "what the kid brings in is none of their damn business".


Apparently you meant something less than that?

Sorry if I assumed a modicum of common sense would have been applied to such a statement.

HonestChieffan
02-17-2012, 07:41 AM
Sorry if I assumed a modicum of common sense would have been applied to such a statement.


You needed to qualify the statement so it was not construed to sound like you support trafficking in drugs, carrying weapons, allowing children to be moles for subversive groups, spreading biotoxins, porn, or other anti social stuff. I mean, what if they took like voodoo dolls or chickens feet and candles in their lunch box?

Unless you are in support of these types of things.


I wonder, why don't we just require school kids to eat MRE's?