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Mr_Tomahawk
02-15-2012, 11:36 AM
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The 2012 Quarterback Market
Wednesday, February 15, 2012

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Last year’s quarterback market was slim pickings due in large part to the lockout-related CBA rules that limited unrestricted free agents to those players with at least six years of NFL experience. Whereas pure backups and fringe talents such as Bruce Gradkowski and Trent Edwards made this list last May, this year’s market boasts the most riveting story of the offseason: Where will Peyton Manning land?

With Drew Brees and Alex Smith fully expected to return to their respective teams, Manning and Packers backup Matt Flynn are the two big-ticket quarterbacks of the 2012 free agency period. The franchises most in need of a signal-caller are the Redskins, Colts, Dolphins, Seahawks, Browns, Chiefs, and Cardinals. I laid out my QB predictions last week on Twitter, but we’ll go into more detail below.

Evan Silva, Pat Daugherty and I will be rolling out analysis of the offensive skill-position player market throughout this week, touching on all commodities likely to be available as free agents, trade targets, or candidates for release.

Quarterbacks Expected to be Franchise Tagged

Drew Brees

Overview: Brees and the Saints have three weeks to come to agreement on a long-term deal before the March 5 deadline for the franchise tag. Although agent Tom Condon has been “baffled” by the slow pace of contract talks, both sides sides have incentive to avoid the tag. Brees wants to ensure that key free agents such as Marques Colston and LG Carl Nicks remain in the Big Easy. Saving the franchise tag would allow GM Mickey Loomis to apply it to Colston or Nicks if necessary. Whether it’s the tag or a new contract, the reigning NFL Offensive Player of the Year is guaranteed to be back with the Saints in 2012.

Quarterback Free Agents

1. Matt Flynn, Packers

Scouting Report: In an essentially meaningless season finale, Matt Flynn and Matthew Stafford joined Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Y.A. Tittle, and Norm Van Brocklin as the only QBs in history to pass for 475 yards and 5+ touchdowns in a single game. The question is whether Flynn has more in common with those four Hall of Famers or Titans flash-in-the-pan Billy Volek, who exploded for 492 yards and 4 TDs during a fluky late-season run seven years ago. Drawing comparisons to Kevin Kolb, Flynn is widely viewed as a cerebral system quarterback with above average mobility to go with a questionable arm. His accuracy, decision-making, and quick feet are ideally suited to a West Coast scheme sharing the same roots as Green Bay’s. With a small sample size average of 365.5 yards and 4.5 TDs in two career starts, Flynn will draw interest even if it’s simply because he’s yet to fail.

Availability: With Jermichael Finley and C Scott Wells as priority free agents, the cap-strapped Packers are not expected to follow the Patriots’ tag-and-trade blueprint applied to Matt Cassel four years ago. GM Ted Thompson’s preference is to save the low-cost tight-end tag for Finley, leaving Flynn to seek a new home in 2012. Dot-connecting leaves the Dolphins as the obvious favorites, as Flynn could follow offensive coordinator Joe Philbin to Miami. The Seahawks and Browns, both employing West Coast offenses, could also be interested. Seattle GM John Schneider cut his teeth under Thompson in Green Bay and is plenty familiar with Flynn’s talent level.

Prediction: Dolphins on a six-year, $49 million contract.

2. Alex Smith, 49ers

Scouting Report: NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell is fond of pointing out that coaching staffs tell us what they think of a player by how he is utilized. While the Jim Harbaugh staff takes offense to Smith’s game-manager reputation, they rarely trusted him to do more than control clock, play keep-away, and make the occasional key throw. Smith earned plenty of leeway with his dramatic fourth-quarter play against the Saints in the playoffs, but the caveat is that he only made a handful of quality throws and often looked skittish in the pocket. Cosell noted that Smith was overly “hesitant and cautious” to let loose on routes that were well executed and throws that were clearly defined in the follow-up loss to the Giants. Despite the impressive comeback season, Smith’s unwillingness to make “stick” throws on third downs and in the red zone remains a concern going forward.

Availability: Niners fans may now insist otherwise, but Smith remains a game-manager best suited to a contender that also boasts elite units on defense and special teams. In other words, he has far more value to San Francisco than any other franchise. Harbaugh insists the organization is unanimously behind Smith going forward, and the quarterback spent last week caddying for his head coach at the AT&T Pebble Beach National Pro-Am golf tournament. The front office wants to bring Smith back without over-paying, which explains the current holdup. Expect the two sides to hammer out a deal over the next few weeks.

Prediction: 49ers on a three-year, $30 million contract.

3. Kyle Orton, Chiefs

Scouting Report: Orton’s trade value was diminished and his leash shortened last summer because NFL teams believe he’s proven to be a mediocre starter, more of a stopgap than a solution. A viable gun-for-hire best suited to an offense stocked with quality receivers and a solid offensive line, Orton’s limitations tend to surface on third downs and red zone -- often a sign of poor arm strength and questionable decision making. Much like Alex Smith, Orton is solid enough to ride a talented team to the playoffs but not talented enough to get over the hump.

Availability: The Chiefs reportedly maintain an interest in bringing the veteran back as competition for an underwhelming Matt Cassel. With the Kansas City brass silently cheering for Cassel to finally emerge as a franchise quarterback, however, Orton’s best chance at immediate playing time may be in Jacksonville. New coach Mike Mularkey and OC Bob Bradkowski are seeking a mentor to enable Blaine Gabbert, clearly not ready for prime time, to sit and learn for awhile. From a financial point of view, Orton should have accepted the $27 million extension the Dolphins offered as part of a trade with Denver last summer.

Prediction: Jaguars on a two-year, $13.5 million contract.

4. Chad Henne, Dolphins

Scouting Report: Henne enters free agency with both health and ability concerns. Coming off season-ending left shoulder surgery, Henne never got a chance in 2011 to answer holdover doubts about down-field accuracy, red-zone efficiency, pocket presence, intangibles, and game-to-game consistency. Previous reports have suggested Henne’s weaknesses were stark enough for Bill Parcells and ex-coordinator Dan Henning to throw in the towel on his development. On a positive note, Henne is one of the few available quarterbacks with the physical tools to succeed long-term if he lands with a coaching staff that can hew that raw talent.

Availability: Despite the big arm and occasional flashes of production, Henne closes out his disappointing four-year Dolphins run with 13-18 record. Matt Moore is already rostered as a cost-effective insurance policy, and owner Stephen Ross and GM Jeff Ireland are on the warpath for a franchise QB this offseason. Henne could follow new coordinator Tony Sparano to the Jets in case Mark Sanchez regresses for a second consecutive season.

Prediction: Jets on a two-year, $9 million contract.

5. Jason Campbell, Raiders

Scouting Report: Sporting strong pocket composure, a long delivery, and sub-optimal anticipation, Campbell requires a dominant rushing attack to succeed with consistency. Although he earned respect as a team leader and executed Hue Jackson’s offense by staying composed and avoiding turnovers, Campbell was less effective down field than Carson Palmer despite a stronger arm. A solid, albeit unspectacular NFL starter, Campbell will have to compete for a starting job in 2012.

Availability: Campbell can’t return to Oakland because he would reportedly become a “polarizing” force among a wide receiver corps that viewed him as an offensive leader prior to the Carson Palmer trade. For the first time in a half-decade, Campbell will not go into training camp with a starting job all but locked up. His best bet may be to re-join QBs coach Jim Zorn in Kansas City as competition for Matt Cassel.

Prediction: Chiefs on a two-year, $9 million contract.

6. Vince Young, Eagles

Scouting Report: Due to questions about his leadership, ability to handle adversity, and commitment level, Young was forced to accept a backup job with the Eagles last summer. While Young is indeed a rare athlete with the ability to make plays down field and out of the pocket, his passing consistency is inhibited by poor awareness and decision-making. More of a read-and-react passer as opposed to an anticipator, Young would ideally be supported by a strong rushing attack. After eight picks in 12 quarters as Michael Vick’s fill-in, V.Y. is likely to receive a chilly reception on the open market.

Availability: If not for Young’s four-interception performance versus Seattle in a deflating December 1 loss, we could be talking about the Eagles -- not the Giants -- as Super Bowl champions. After helping Philly to the NFL’s worst percentage of aimed throws intercepted, V.Y. has run his course in Philadelphia. Young could make for an interesting alternative to Tim Tebow should the Broncos staff continue the transition to an unconventional offense.

Prediction: Broncos on a one-year, $4 million contract.

7. David Garrard, Jaguars

Scouting Report: Another erratic passer best utilized as a game manager supported by a consistently productive ground attack, Garrard sat out the entire 2011 season following back surgery and a release by the Jags. Although Garrard may have appeal as a proven starter with career-highs in touchdowns and completion percentage the last time he played, that is offset by his age (34), commitment concerns, and chronic back woes. He should consider himself lucky to land a backup job with the opportunity to take over in-season.

Availability: Garrard sat out the entire 2011 season to recover from back surgery after the Jaguars unceremoniously dumped him just prior to opening day. Although he faces commitment questions at age 34, Garrard expects to be 100 percent healthy by the time post-draft OTAs kick off in May. The Bears are in obvious need of a veteran backup after last year’s Caleb Hanie debacle. New coordinator Mike Tice was on staff with Jacksonville when Garrard broke into the league a decade ago.

Prediction: Bears on a non-guaranteed one-year, $3 million contract.

8. Rex Grossman, Redskins

Scouting Report: Grossman came as advertised in 2011: Mind-boggling carelessness with the football, erratic accuracy, poor pocket presence, and yet the ability to consistently move the offense between the 20s. As Tony Kornheiser is fond of pointing out, Grossman is the master of the pick-six and inventor of the fumble-six. It’s his move; he’s going to use it. His primary assets are a willingness to take chances down the field and an intimate knowledge of the Shanahans’ offense.

Availability: The nine-year veteran hopes to return to the Redskins after saving the offense from John Beck’s ineptitude down the stretch. Grossman may be the league’s most turnover-prone quarterback, but he has the advantage of mastering the Shanahan’s offense. Expect Grossman to return as a possible “bridge” to the next franchise QB, perhaps after the Redskins trade up to select Baylor’s Robert Griffin III.

Prediction: Redskins on a one-year, $2 million contract.

9. Shaun Hill, Lions

Scouting Report: The ideal backup, Hill offers the experience, savvy, and game management skills to succeed while lacking starter-level arm strength. He’s rendered useless as strictly an underneath passer when defenses take away the second level. Willing to stand in the pocket and take hits, Hill has been forced to play through significant injuries in the past. While Hill’s production has been heavily skewed as a garbage-time compiler, it’s worth noting his respectable career 84.7 passer rating and 39-to-23 TD:INT ratio.

Availability: The Lions have made it clear to Hill that they want him back as Stafford’s caddy, and the interest is mutual. In fact, the 32-year-old might even take a “slight discount” to ensure that it happens. Look for Hill to return to Motor City as one of the league’s top backups in 2012.

Prediction: Lions on a three-year, $9 million contract.

10. Donovan McNabb, Vikings

Scouting Report: Never known for being especially accurate, McNabb began to struggle with mobility, arm strength, and mechanics in Minnesota last season. Benched by three teams in three seasons, McNabb continues to face persistent questions about his conditioning, commitment level, and ability to master a new offense in timely fashion. Under the delusion that he remains a top-flight NFL starter, McNabb doesn’t fit the requirements of a good solider who will hold the clipboard in a backup role.

Availability: McNabb has been eminently available since gaining his release from Minnesota on December 1, but he’s been left without a dancing partner. Believing he can help at least three teams right now, the 35-year-old has no plans to retire in favor of a broadcasting career. Unless Andy Reid leaves the door open to return as Michael Vick’s backup, McNabb may just go unsigned.

Prediction: Eagles on a two-year, $8 million contract.

stonedstooge
02-15-2012, 11:53 AM
Jason Campbell the black Matt Casshole

lcarus
02-15-2012, 12:40 PM
"With the Kansas City brass silently cheering for Cassel to finally emerge as a franchise quarterback..."

:grr:He will be 30 years old when the season starts. He has not been good in the 3 seasons he's been given. If our "brass" is really still holding out hope that he can emerge as a franchise QB at 30 years old after being piss poor for so long, they're complete ****tards and every single one of them should be fired asap.

I know this has been said on many many many occasions here, but I just wanted to reiterate.

whoman69
02-15-2012, 12:44 PM
McNabb back to the Eagles is crazy. He's not going to sign up to be a 3rd stringer unless its to retire.

alpha_omega
02-15-2012, 12:50 PM
That list is a whole lotta suck.

Mr. Laz
02-15-2012, 01:18 PM
"With the Kansas City brass silently cheering for Cassel to finally emerge as a franchise quarterback..."

:grr:He will be 30 years old when the season starts. He has not been good in the 3 seasons he's been given. If our "brass" is really still holding out hope that he can emerge as a franchise QB at 30 years old after being piss poor for so long, they're complete ****tards and every single one of them should be fired asap.

I know this has been said on many many many occasions here, but I just wanted to reiterate.

repost x10000000000000000000000000000000

InChiefsHell
02-15-2012, 01:34 PM
"With the Kansas City brass silently cheering for Cassel to finally emerge as a franchise quarterback..."

:grr:He will be 30 years old when the season starts. He has not been good in the 3 seasons he's been given. If our "brass" is really still holding out hope that he can emerge as a franchise QB at 30 years old after being piss poor for so long, they're complete ****tards and every single one of them should be fired asap.

I know this has been said on many many many occasions here, but I just wanted to reiterate.

*ahem*
Matt Cassell is a proven pro-bowl quarterback who led the Chiefs to the playoffs in just his 2nd season with the team in 2010. In 2011, he was hampered with injuries to his weapons and ultimately to himself. Not to mention he's had 12 coordinators or some shit like that plus Todd Haley\Charlie Wies\Scott Pioli hated him...Now that we have Zorn for another year, he'll finally have some consistency and with the return of Moeaki and JC, you'll see that all is well and that Cassell is just fine. /1 Arrowhead Dr.

Coogs
02-15-2012, 01:46 PM
*ahem*
Matt Cassell is a proven pro-bowl quarterback who led the Chiefs to the playoffs in just his 2nd season with the team in 2010. In 2011, he was hampered with injuries to his weapons and ultimately to himself. Not to mention he's had 12 coordinators or some shit like that plus Todd Haley\Charlie Wies\Scott Pioli hated him...Now that we have Zorn for another year, he'll finally have some consistency and with the return of Moeaki and JC, you'll see that all is well and that Cassell is just fine. /1 Arrowhead Dr.


footnote that needs to be added to the /1 Arrowhead Dr. memo...

Orton had the same amout of different OC's, same offense that was hampered with injuries to his weapons, and same o-line that couldn't protect Cassel. And Orton clearly out performed their guy, while making the same o-line look pretty fair at pass protection.

InChiefsHell
02-15-2012, 01:49 PM
footnote that needs to be added to the /1 Arrowhead Dr. memo...

Orton had the same amout of different OC's, same offense that was hampered with injuries to his weapons, and same o-line that couldn't protect Cassel. And Orton clearly out performed their guy, while making the same o-line look pretty fair at pass protection.

Hello, you're not listening. All is well, Matt Cassel is the man, even Orton said it. Sheesh. We're one defensive tackle away from a goddam playoff appearance...lighten up Francis!

Coogs
02-15-2012, 01:54 PM
Hello, you're not listening. All is well, Matt Cassel is the man, even Orton said it. Sheesh. We're one defensive tackle away from a goddam playoff appearance...lighten up Francis!

:D

I hear what they are trying to sell! Problem is, all of us saw for ourselves what Orton could do that Cassel can't. 1 Arrowhead Dr. should have blacked out those last 2 home games instead of selling tickets to Packer and Faider fans.

DMAC
02-15-2012, 01:58 PM
*ahem*
Matt Cassell is a proven pro-bowl quarterback who led the Chiefs to the playoffs in just his 2nd season with the team in 2010. In 2011, he was hampered with injuries to his weapons and ultimately to himself. Not to mention he's had 12 coordinators or some shit like that plus Todd Haley\Charlie Wies\Scott Pioli hated him...Now that we have Zorn for another year, he'll finally have some consistency and with the return of Moeaki and JC, you'll see that all is well and that Cassell is just fine. /1 Arrowhead Dr.

*dislike*

ChiefsCountry
02-15-2012, 01:59 PM
Where is Brady Fucking Quinn on that list? :)

Hydrae
02-15-2012, 02:14 PM
*ahem*
Matt Cassell is a proven pro-bowl quarterback who led the Chiefs to the playoffs in just his 2nd season with the team in 2010. In 2011, he was hampered with injuries to his weapons and ultimately to himself. Not to mention he's had 12 coordinators or some shit like that plus Todd Haley\Charlie Wies\Scott Pioli hated him...Now that we have Zorn for another year, he'll finally have some consistency and with the return of Moeaki and JC, you'll see that all is well and that Cassell is just fine. /1 Arrowhead Dr.

:Lin:

King_Chief_Fan
02-15-2012, 02:25 PM
very depressing...how fun will it be when Campbell outperforms Cassel?
That isn't say much as most anyone can outperform Cassel...except for Gabbert and Palko

lcarus
02-15-2012, 03:19 PM
The absolute best Cassel can be is an average QB who sometimes has a good game against a weak defensive opponent, and deserves no credit when Jamaal Charles and our defense win enough games to make it to Wild Card Weekend after completing a weak schedule. Cassel deserves very little credit for our 10-6 playoff season. He was exposed by Baltimore.

There is absolutely no reason why this team shouldn't be exhausting themselves to find a way to get a young QB who can grow into an elite QB (or proven veteran for that matter). If they don't, they're completely wasting a very good defense and a few very good skill players on offense. That, to me, is UNACCEPTABLE.

Ben N 58men
02-15-2012, 03:21 PM
That list is a whole lotta suck.

This.

durtyrute
02-15-2012, 03:37 PM
That really makes me sick to my fucking stomach. If he's saying we'll get Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel 1.2, I'd rather just go with the original.

FAX
02-15-2012, 03:50 PM
That list is a whole lotta suck.

That may be true, Mr. alpha_omega, but that isn't the real depressing part. The real depressing part is that several of those guys are probably better overall than the guy we have under contract.

FAX

BoneKrusher
02-15-2012, 03:55 PM
That may be true, Mr. alpha_omega, but that isn't the real depressing part. The real depressing part is that several of those guys are probably better overall than the guy we have under contract.

FAX

Yep

threebag02
02-15-2012, 05:35 PM
Please God, let this be the end of the Matt Cassel era in KC.

whoman69
02-15-2012, 06:03 PM
*ahem*
Matt Cassell is a proven pro-bowl quarterback who led the Chiefs to the playoffs in just his 2nd season with the team in 2010. In 2011, he was hampered with injuries to his weapons and ultimately to himself. Not to mention he's had 12 coordinators or some shit like that plus Todd Haley\Charlie Wies\Scott Pioli hated him...Now that we have Zorn for another year, he'll finally have some consistency and with the return of Moeaki and JC, you'll see that all is well and that Cassell is just fine. If only we can add more weapons and get improved line play in front of him./1 Arrowhead Dr.

FYP

jd1020
02-16-2012, 02:47 AM
2 pages to that story...

3. Jimmy Clausen, Panthers

Scouting Report: Overmatched as a rookie two years ago, Clausen drew pointed criticism from top wideout Steve Smith while bringing up the rear among NFL starters in passer rating. Consistently staring down receivers and showing little touch, Clausen was also held back by “limited arm talent,” shoddy mechanics, and shaky pocket presence. The inability to complete downfield throws suggests Clausen has blown his one chance at a starting gig.

Availability: Carolina needs to clear close to $10 million in salary cap space before the start of the league year. Bailing on Clausen’s $1 million option bonus isn’t out of the question after he spent last season as the third quarterback behind Derek Anderson. The Panthers would ideally pawn off Clausen in a trade, but there’s reason to believe the only GM willing to make that move is sitting in their own front office. If Marty Hurney does look into a trade partner, it could be in Kansas City. The Chiefs were reportedly high on Clausen two years ago, and OC Brian Daboll’s system has been compared to that of former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis.

Prediction: Chiefs via trade.

InChiefsHell
02-16-2012, 05:56 AM
2 pages to that story...

3. Jimmy Clausen, Panthers

Scouting Report: Overmatched as a rookie two years ago, Clausen drew pointed criticism from top wideout Steve Smith while bringing up the rear among NFL starters in passer rating. Consistently staring down receivers and showing little touch, Clausen was also held back by “limited arm talent,” shoddy mechanics, and shaky pocket presence. The inability to complete downfield throws suggests Clausen has blown his one chance at a starting gig.

Availability: Carolina needs to clear close to $10 million in salary cap space before the start of the league year. Bailing on Clausen’s $1 million option bonus isn’t out of the question after he spent last season as the third quarterback behind Derek Anderson. The Panthers would ideally pawn off Clausen in a trade, but there’s reason to believe the only GM willing to make that move is sitting in their own front office. If Marty Hurney does look into a trade partner, it could be in Kansas City. The Chiefs were reportedly high on Clausen two years ago, and OC Brian Daboll’s system has been compared to that of former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis.

Prediction: Chiefs via trade.

Trade Cassel? Is that what they're getting at? If so...meh, why not? Bring in Jimmy, keep Stanzi and sign Orton. We ain't going to THE SHIP this year anyway, and at least we'd get some young talent in...

jd1020
02-16-2012, 06:36 AM
Trade Cassel? Is that what they're getting at? If so...meh, why not? Bring in Jimmy, keep Stanzi and sign Orton. We ain't going to THE SHIP this year anyway, and at least we'd get some young talent in...

:hmmm:

Wish I knew how one connects that to "trading Cassel."

They are talking about cutting salary, so they are going to trade for more?

InChiefsHell
02-16-2012, 07:02 AM
:hmmm:

Wish I knew how one connects that to "trading Cassel."

They are talking about cutting salary, so they are going to trade for more?

Well, my problem is I don't read all the post. I'm lazy that way. Forget what I said. Heh.

KCChiefsFan88
02-16-2012, 07:36 AM
The Chiefs should swing for the fences and try to get Drew Brees or Andrew Luck.

If it means trading a decade's worth of draft picks... WHO CARES.

You can't put a price on a stud franchise QB.

This team and its homer fanbase would rather wallow in mediocrity than consider big and bold ideas.

Coogs
02-16-2012, 07:40 AM
The Chiefs should swing for the fences and try to get Drew Brees or Andrew Luck.

If it means trading a decade's worth of draft picks... WHO CARES.

You can't put a price on a stud franchise QB.

This team and its homer fanbase would rather wallow in mediocrity than consider big and bold ideas.

For a guy who joined in 2003, and has 5000+ posts... your new here aren't you? :facepalm:

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 07:43 AM
Sign Orton.

trndobrd
02-16-2012, 08:46 AM
The Chiefs should swing for the fences and try to get Drew Brees or Andrew Luck.

If it means trading a decade's worth of draft picks... WHO CARES.

You can't put a price on a stud franchise QB.

This team and its homer fanbase would rather wallow in mediocrity than consider big and bold ideas.


The Chiefs have a better chance of signing the Jolly Green Giant* since the Saints will tag Brees and the Colt's aren't going to trade down.

Realistically, but still unlikely, they could bring in Manning or trade the farm to get in position to draft RGIII.



*good pocket presence, strong arm, but questionable accuracy and reports of locker room problems.

NJChiefsFan
02-16-2012, 04:32 PM
The Chiefs should swing for the fences and try to get Drew Brees or Andrew Luck.

If it means trading a decade's worth of draft picks... WHO CARES.

You can't put a price on a stud franchise QB.

This team and its homer fanbase would rather wallow in mediocrity than consider big and bold ideas.

Drew Brees isn't going to get anywhere near Free Agency and with how IND is treating Manning I don't think there is a chance in hell IND gives Luck to anybody. Nobody knows better than IND how important a great QB is.

O.city
02-16-2012, 04:37 PM
I'm not sure that if Manning stays in Indy, the Luck family doesn't say no thanks and say they aren't going there ala the Mannings in SD>

NJChiefsFan
02-16-2012, 04:39 PM
I'm not sure that if Manning stays in Indy, the Luck family doesn't say no thanks and say they aren't going there ala the Mannings in SD>

IDK them so I can't say for sure, but I would be surprised to see that, especially with Manning's injury situation. I would prefer not having to hate yet another QB forever for going against the inegrity of the draft.

O.city
02-16-2012, 04:40 PM
I don't like taht guys do that, but I understand it.


If it somehow got the guy to KC, I wouldn't care one bit.

NJChiefsFan
02-16-2012, 04:41 PM
I don't like taht guys do that, but I understand it.


If it somehow got the guy to KC, I wouldn't care one bit.

Haha well if that happened I would kiss Luck's father right on the lips.

O.city
02-16-2012, 04:43 PM
If he said he wasn't goin to Indy, the price for him gets less.


That shit would be crazy, if he were a Chief.

Detoxing
02-16-2012, 06:30 PM
If he said he wasn't goin to Indy, the price for him gets less.


That shit would be crazy, if he were a Chief.

CP would have to order boxes and boxes of moisturizer for the Dick burn we'd all have.

Ugly Duck
02-16-2012, 06:40 PM
(Kyle Orton) is best suited to an offense stocked with quality receivers and a solid offensive line

That gem musta took a lotta thought.....