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Von Dumbass
02-15-2012, 02:18 PM
Mike Mayock on Memphis DL Dontari Poe, says he reminds him of Haloti Ngata potential. 'He's that big, but he's so raw it's scary.'

https://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/169893182652428289

Sofa King
02-15-2012, 02:21 PM
OH SHIT WE BETTER TRADE UP AND GET HIM THEN!

Pestilence
02-15-2012, 02:23 PM
OH SHIT WE BETTER TRADE UP AND GET HIM THEN!

Why? We'll just reach for him at #11.

SNR
02-15-2012, 02:30 PM
Ngata doesn't play nose. That's what we need.

DTLB58
02-15-2012, 02:42 PM
Ngata doesn't play nose. That's what we need.

He use to.

Sofa King
02-15-2012, 02:48 PM
Why? We'll just reach for him at #11.

You're probably right. And I'll be pissed.

Direckshun
02-15-2012, 02:50 PM
Scary would be the operative term.

Douche Baggins
02-15-2012, 04:49 PM
Powe and Poe has a nice ring to it.

And if they bust, Poo squared.

O.city
02-15-2012, 06:08 PM
What if, the guy fell to us in the second.

Richardson in the first, Poe in the second, Bobbie Massie in the third anyone?

Chief_For_Life58
02-15-2012, 09:40 PM
What if, the guy fell to us in the second.

Richardson in the first, Poe in the second, Bobbie Massie in the third anyone?

I really like the sound of that

Tribal Warfare
02-16-2012, 02:16 AM
Powe and Poe has a nice ring to it.

And if they bust, Poo squared.

http://www.russellmoore.com/files/2011/06/kung_fu_panda_2.jpg


The Dragon Warriors, or The Po-lice

DeezNutz
02-16-2012, 05:35 AM
Powe and Poe has a nice ring to it.


Imagine the confusion for the former when he'd be trying to read the depth chart...Dude would always think he's starting.

KCUnited
02-16-2012, 05:40 AM
Callin' the Powe Poe on that offense.

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 12:53 PM
McCluster reminds me of Jerry Rice

Mr. Laz
02-16-2012, 01:32 PM
McCluster reminds me of Jerry Rice


if you mean the Dancing with the stars version of Jerry Rice, then i agree.

http://twowineybitches.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dancecenter.jpg

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 01:45 PM
if you mean the Dancing with the stars version of Jerry Rice, then i agree.

http://twowineybitches.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dancecenter.jpg

holy wtf batman

Von Dumbass
02-27-2012, 10:51 AM
Been writing abt what a freak Dontari Poe is for a yr now. But didnt expect THIS outrageous a show. A 4.87 & 4.94 40 at 346?!?

https://twitter.com/#!/BFeldmanCBS/status/174175336043528192

Text from an OL coach who faced Dontari Poe: "Prob. best talent I've seen in yrs. Wasn't a great effort guy. Freakish talent tho."

https://twitter.com/#!/BFeldmanCBS/status/174177937984192514

One big point the OL coach who faced Dontari Poe stressed: the DT "was never on the ground. Has GREAT balance. Def. 1st RD talent."https://twitter.com/#!/BFeldmanCBS/status/174181628409688064

Von Dumbass
02-27-2012, 10:52 AM
Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis: Ngata-like potential. Not as polished, but sim combo of speed/power. Girth of elite run plugging NT at 6'3 346.

https://twitter.com/#!/CoachBillick/status/174130401026125826

Chiefnj2
02-27-2012, 11:08 AM
Poe will be taken early because there are only so many big guys on the planet who can move well.

That being said, even though he was on a bad team, his lack of on field productivity is alarming. And, he's not a NT in KC's system.

Direckshun
02-27-2012, 11:35 AM
And, he's not a NT in KC's system.

How do you figure?

Chiefnj2
02-27-2012, 11:51 AM
How do you figure?

Watch any clips you can of him and read reports he isn't a good run defender. He gets moved around on the line. He'd be best used as an end that is asked to get in the backfield, or as a DT in a 43.

Direckshun
02-27-2012, 12:04 PM
Watch any clips you can of him and read reports he isn't a good run defender. He gets moved around on the line. He'd be best used as an end that is asked to get in the backfield, or as a DT in a 43.

Interesting...

Fat Elvis
02-27-2012, 12:38 PM
Pick up Soliai and draft Poe; we could have one heck of a 5-2 defense (pretty much what the Texans run).

Bailey, Dorsey, Soliai, Poe, Hali
Houston, Johnson
Flowers, Berry, Lewis, Routt

jd1020
02-27-2012, 12:53 PM
Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis: Ngata-like potential. Not as polished, but sim combo of speed/power. Girth of elite run plugging NT at 6'3 346.

https://twitter.com/#!/CoachBillick/status/174130401026125826

In before the "he's 6'5 and too tall to play NT" people come in claiming he's now the "ideal size."

suds79
02-27-2012, 12:59 PM
In before the "he's 6'5 and too tall to play NT" people come in claiming he's now the "ideal size."

To be fair, looks like he measured in at 6'4 according to NFL.com on the combine site.

Ultra Peanut
02-27-2012, 02:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/XvsxH.gif

(I'm so happy for him. =3)

Tribal Warfare
02-27-2012, 02:27 PM
So he's officially listed as 6'3" 1/2

bevischief
03-06-2012, 11:42 AM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/3/6/2848532/nfl-draft-2012-dontari-poe-nose-tackle#storyjump

NFL Draft 2012: Dontari Poe Not A True Nose Tackle?

Headshot_tiny by Joel Thorman on Mar 6, 2012 8:30 AM CST in NFL Draft 2012


One of the big stories at the 2012 NFL Combine was Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe who tore it showing off his athleticism and strength. For a 6'4", 346 pound man, it was an impressive showing. Many people said he's one of the few true nose tackles in the 2012 NFL draft.

One respected draft analyst, Russ Lande or Sporting News, disagrees.



"After finishing film evaluation of Memphis Dontari Poe it seems clear to me that he is much more of a big 3 tech DT than a true NT," Lande wrote on Twitter.

OK, not a good start considering I wanted the Chiefs to consider him with the 11th pick.

"Poe seems more comfortable using quicks to attacks gaps & penetrate," Lande continued. "Doesn't play like a true 2-gap, run stuffing clogger."

Kinda tricky here but the Chiefs run a two-gap system. Remember Aubrayo Franklin last year? He had experience only in a one-gap, which is a big reason KC didn't pursue him. In other words, this stuff matters (no matter how big the name).

"Poe probably would fit best as a 5 tech DE in a 34 like San Diego or Pittsburgh plays, not in KC's 34 scheme as well though," Lande wrote.

I don't watch Memphis football so I'm not gonna sit here and waste your time acting like I know any better about Poe than Lande. But this is something to take note of.

And now for the dreaded comparison...

"Memphis DT D. Poe does not play like an elite talent on film often enough & reminds me of former 1st Rd Picks Ryan Sims & Jimmy Kennedy," Lande tweeted.

Ryan Sims...NO!!!! STAY AWAY! STAY AWAY!

boogblaster
03-06-2012, 11:50 AM
I think we'll take Poe at 11 .....

htismaqe
03-06-2012, 11:53 AM
I don't think Poe fits our defense. I don't think any of the top 5-6 DTs fit our defense actually.

The only one is the kid from LSU and he's a 5T in our defense, not a NT.

el borracho
03-06-2012, 06:47 PM
Whoa. Did someone take a bedazzler to Jerry's face?

whoman69
03-07-2012, 12:45 PM
Whoa. Did someone take a bedazzler to Jerry's face?

K, I'm lost

Von Dumbass
03-15-2012, 05:50 AM
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O.city
03-15-2012, 08:53 AM
Maybe Crennel could do somethings with him, but he looks like a workout warrior to me.

SNR
03-15-2012, 10:43 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AZxD_uV5kyk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>He sucks. If he's getting pushed around like that against Tulane-level talent, he's going to bust out of the pros.

Detoxing
03-15-2012, 10:50 AM
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He doesn't play nearly as quick as he times.

Just say no to Poe.

lostcause
03-15-2012, 10:53 AM
I realize we're years down the line here, but Ngata dominated at every level he played at. When he went to Oregon he was a blue chip top, 5 star, top 5 overall in the nation prospect. Then dominated in the Pac 12. Then dominated in the NFL. Poe may have some physical similarities, but his body of work as of this point in time is nothing like Ngata's was before the 2006 draft. Ngata was damn close to a can't miss, Poe is not.

Dave Lane
03-15-2012, 11:19 AM
He doesn't play nearly as quick as he times.

Just say no to Poe.

Thats completely unimpressive...

Dave Lane
03-15-2012, 11:19 AM
I realize we're years down the line here, but Ngata dominated at every level he played at. When he went to Oregon he was a blue chip top, 5 star, top 5 overall in the nation prospect. Then dominated in the Pac 12. Then dominated in the NFL. Poe may have some physical similarities, but his body of work as of this point in time is nothing like Ngata's was before the 2006 draft. Ngata was damn close to a can't miss, Poe is not.

Probably why we will reach and take him.

Dayze
03-15-2012, 11:21 AM
Poe looks slow/non-explosive off the ball. at least based on that tape. and considering it was against Friggin Tulane...

buddha
03-17-2012, 12:36 AM
Poe looks slow/non-explosive off the ball. at least based on that tape. and considering it was against Friggin Tulane...

Yep...workouts mean nothing. All that matters is what they do in games. This guy is invisible out there. I hope the f'ing Raiders take him.

Tribal Warfare
03-17-2012, 09:52 AM
I'll say this if KC doesn't pick up Poe in the 1st the better select Josh Chapman in the second round.

Saccopoo
03-17-2012, 10:09 AM
I'll say this if KC doesn't pick up Poe in the 1st the better select Josh Chapman in the second round.

I like Chapman, but Jerrell Powe is going to play this year. Spending a high pick on a two down nose isn't necessary.

Tribal Warfare
03-17-2012, 10:14 AM
I like Chapman, but Jerrell Powe is going to play this year. Spending a high pick on a two down nose isn't necessary.

I worry about Jerrell, because unlike some other "untouchable" players at a position Powe only cracked into the normal rotation only once and that was due to injury. I say this because most of bad habits occurred during that period too by falling too much at the point of attack,thus getting caught off balance.Plus Powe was a 6th rounder so KC wouldn't be spending another high round pick at the position it be the first crack to try to get a NT with a high round pick.

whoman69
03-17-2012, 01:25 PM
I like Chapman, but Jerrell Powe is going to play this year. Spending a high pick on a two down nose isn't necessary.

You base that off of what?

SNR
03-17-2012, 02:13 PM
What a nose is SUPPOSED to look like: fat, slow, but immovable. Don't let the interior line gain any push for pocket formation. That's EXACTLY what Ta'amu would do for us.

It's what's missing from Poe's college footage.

If Ta'amu could do exactly what he does in this highlight reel for us against NFL talent, we would be set. Our linebackers, as good as they are, would be SCARY good. And Dorsey and Jackson might actually get in the backfield and make plays.

I've never been more convinced of any player that we need to take in this draft if the opportunity arises. Reach for him in the 1st if you have to. I don't care. He's worth it.

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Tribal Warfare
03-17-2012, 02:35 PM
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He got owned by Baylor during their Bowl game, I'd pass on him

BigChiefFan
03-18-2012, 10:20 PM
We need the big mofo at NT for our scheme. Poe looks like the pick, IMO.

BryanBusby
03-19-2012, 01:14 AM
He sucks. If he's getting pushed around like that against Tulane-level talent, he's going to bust out of the pros.

Oddly enough, he looked better when he moved over to an end position on a 3 man front and when he didn't play so damn high.

The tape wasn't impressive, but I don't see anything that couldn't be corrected. He needs to play lower on every snap and develop moves/counter moves. On one play he did a pretty sick spin move to side step the OG and apply pressure. He'll definitely be a project.

buddha
03-19-2012, 08:02 AM
What a nose is SUPPOSED to look like: fat, slow, but immovable. Don't let the interior line gain any push for pocket formation. That's EXACTLY what Ta'amu would do for us.

It's what's missing from Poe's college footage.

If Ta'amu could do exactly what he does in this highlight reel for us against NFL talent, we would be set. Our linebackers, as good as they are, would be SCARY good. And Dorsey and Jackson might actually get in the backfield and make plays.

I've never been more convinced of any player that we need to take in this draft if the opportunity arises. Reach for him in the 1st if you have to. I don't care. He's worth it.

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WORD. I like this guy much more than Poe.

SNR
03-19-2012, 08:33 AM
Oddly enough, he looked better when he moved over to an end position on a 3 man front and when he didn't play so damn high.

The tape wasn't impressive, but I don't see anything that couldn't be corrected. He needs to play lower on every snap and develop moves/counter moves. On one play he did a pretty sick spin move to side step the OG and apply pressure. He'll definitely be a project.If Poe was available in the 6th round like Jerell Powe I'd be excited about that project. We're talking about taking him in the 1st.

Pioli (as fat as he's been about the QB position) has done very well drafting for this team, and it's because he didn't take "project" players with high draft picks. Even though Tyson Jackson absolutely turned into one of those players, the thing about him coming out of college was that he'd be immediately ready to start as a 3-4 DE. That's why Pioli liked him. Thankfully I don't see us parting from that tradition.

Our NT position right now includes a project player one year into his career and a tweener. We need a guy who's got a much higher floor than Poe.

suds79
03-19-2012, 09:32 AM
Because I'm over Poe. He just hasn't played like a 1st rounder.

I think the Chiefs have to target Alameda Ta'amu as a must draft at some point. (not sure yet where he's projected). Simply running out of pure NTs big enough to play the position.

DJ's left nut
03-19-2012, 02:34 PM
Ta'amu is starting to look like a great 2nd rounder for us and I believe he will make it that far. There just aren't a lot of teams out there still running a 2-gap 3-4 that desperately need a NT.

Tribal Warfare
03-19-2012, 02:37 PM
Ta'amu is starting to look like a great 2nd rounder for us and I believe he will make it that far. There just aren't a lot of teams out there still running a 2-gap 3-4 that desperately need a NT.

the problem Ta'mu his play and his skill set is more like a 3 tech instead of a true NT/NG

DJ's left nut
03-19-2012, 02:45 PM
the problem Ta'mu his play and his skill set is more like a 3 tech instead of a true NT/NG

Really? I don't see it.

The dude is 6'3'' and 350. That's certainly big enough to play the 0. In fact, the fact that he has some burst can only help him in that regard; allowing him to fire off the ball a little bit quicker to help get his pads down.

It's not like he's playing at 315; you may have a point if that were the case. But the dude absolutely has the size for the 0. And his skill set is there as well, provided that he's willing to use it.

The only question would really be whether or not he could be coached to play a less aggressive, more 'gap-sound' form of DT. I don't see anything in his history to suggest he couldn't.

I'm with most of the thread; I like him a TON more than Poe and he's going to go later it would appear.

Chiefnj2
03-19-2012, 02:51 PM
KC should still sign Garay in free agency.

Tribal Warfare
03-19-2012, 03:04 PM
Really? I don't see it.

The dude is 6'3'' and 350. That's certainly big enough to play the 0. In fact, the fact that he has some burst can only help him in that regard; allowing him to fire off the ball a little bit quicker to help get his pads down.

It's not like he's playing at 315; you may have a point if that were the case. But the dude absolutely has the size for the 0. And his skill set is there as well, provided that he's willing to use it.

The only question would really be whether or not he could be coached to play a less aggressive, more 'gap-sound' form of DT. I don't see anything in his history to suggest he couldn't.

I'm with most of the thread; I like him a TON more than Poe and he's going to go later it would appear.

Size isn't an issue, It's his style of play he's more of a "gap shooter" than a rock in the middle the Stanford and Baylor games are a perfect example. He plays with good footwork, but at times disappears and doesn't hold his ground well when going against elite maulers or strong Interior linemen. If you saw the Baylor bowl game was brutal for him.

DJ's left nut
03-19-2012, 03:17 PM
But isn't that again just a coaching issue?

What do you see that suggests he can't be a 2-gap? We know that a lot of the time he didn't play that way in college, but it doesn't appear to be a motor issue (Poe) or a size issue (Brockers). It just looks to me like he was asked to do something different from what we do, so that's what he did.

In the meantime, his motor is good for a big man and his size/skills are perfect to become an elite 2-gap NT.

Tribal Warfare
03-19-2012, 03:31 PM
But isn't that again just a coaching issue?

What do you see that suggests he can't be a 2-gap? We know that a lot of the time he didn't play that way in college, but it doesn't appear to be a motor issue (Poe) or a size issue (Brockers). It just looks to me like he was asked to do something different from what we do, so that's what he did.

In the meantime, his motor is good for a big man and his size/skills are perfect to become an elite 2-gap NT.

from what I read on the kid off the field he's not real big self starter and lets himself go ( ballooned up to 400+ pounds in one offseason) and went on a stretch of games in which he was a non factor. The more I read about him outside what I saw on the field gives me doubts that he could be in some degree Ryan Sims esque.

PGM
03-20-2012, 08:37 AM
The nose whisperer hath spoken.

Von Dumbass
03-20-2012, 12:00 PM
Many are hyping Dontari Poe as top NT, but he is not a NT & A. Ta'amu from Washington is the best true NT in the 2012 Draft.

https://twitter.com/#!/RUSSLANDE/status/182161431322562560

BigChiefFan
03-20-2012, 12:22 PM
The nose whisperer hath spoken.ROFL

El Jefe
03-20-2012, 02:06 PM
Just say NO to POE.

DJ's left nut
03-20-2012, 02:11 PM
from what I read on the kid off the field he's not real big self starter and lets himself go ( ballooned up to 400+ pounds in one offseason) and went on a stretch of games in which he was a non factor. The more I read about him outside what I saw on the field gives me doubts that he could be in some degree Ryan Sims esque.

A Sims-esque player is just fine in the 2nd round.

If he were a perfect prospect, he wouldn't be available there.

I see a lot of upside for minimal risk in a package that could grow to be as good or better than anyone in the draft at being a legit 0-tech, 2-gap NT.

ChiefMojo
03-28-2012, 05:21 PM
Alameda Ta'amu is a true NT and Poe is NOT! Poe is a 5-Tech 3-4 DE just Ngata. Ta'amu is 100% a NT. From all the film I've watch on him, he holds up the point of attack and takes on double teams extremely well. I pray to God he is there at #44!

SNR
03-29-2012, 10:05 AM
Tribal:

Ta'amu looked ineffective as a gap shooter because he's NOT a gap shooter. Washington simply doesn't run a defense suitable to Ta'amu's skills.

What we do know is Steve Sark is just another piece of garbage coach from that USC powerhouse 10 years ago. Ta'amu did things he was uncomfortable doing (like stunting out of his gap and rushing the quarterback around the RT). As a NT, especially one in a Romeo Crennel defense, he's only going to be asked to take up the interior blockers, not give ground on running downs, and whenever possible, make only a few behind-the-line stops every few games. And that's while operating as a 2-down nose. That's totally reasonable to expect out of a guy like that.

Hell, fucking Vince Wilfork was rarely on the field in 3rd downs for most of his career. Spending a 2nd rounder on Ta'amu is absolutely a smart choice.

gonefishin53
03-29-2012, 04:48 PM
Ta'amu pushed single blocking around pretty good in the first half of the senior bowl. The south team had to double team him in the second half in order to get anything done. Looked like a 2 gap nt nfl starter to me.

SNR
03-29-2012, 05:16 PM
Look how deep Ta'amu is able to get into the backfield on passing downs against inferior competition. Why can't Poe with all his speed, size, and strength do this against similar crap competition?

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He's not any kind of pass rushing force whatsoever, but at least we know this guy is a big bad beast to handle up front.

If he can work on getting out of his break faster, he's going to be quite a good nose tackle in the NFL.

htismaqe
03-30-2012, 07:50 AM
What is wrong with getting a front3-4 that has the skills to get after a qb on 2nd down? Ain't a Powe or Nadata in that window. Look at the Giants men, their dt and dls are as fast as afc linebackers. Speed and depth kills the AFC.

I'm sure I can speak for a lot of people here and say there's nothing wrong with it, for US.

But we're not the coach, Romeo Crennel is, and his scheme ain't gonna change.

buddha
03-30-2012, 08:00 PM
A Sims-esque player is just fine in the 2nd round.

If he were a perfect prospect, he wouldn't be available there.

I see a lot of upside for minimal risk in a package that could grow to be as good or better than anyone in the draft at being a legit 0-tech, 2-gap NT.

What? You'd be happy with another Ryan Sims stiff, and you'd be willing to waste a 2nd rounder on him? WTF are you thinking son?

Not only is he not a perfect prospect...he looks like a wash out. Did you watch the film????

lostcause
04-02-2012, 08:05 PM
Sooooo, now Poe went from ngata to 4th dl in draft without playing a game. Draft gurus are fucking idiot schmucks.

BryanBusby
04-02-2012, 10:28 PM
Sooooo, now Poe went from ngata to 4th dl in draft without playing a game. Draft gurus are fucking idiot schmucks.

This is nothing new. It was well known he was going to get pushed to the fucking moon when he attended the combine, and now those idiots are realizing his tape is awful.

ChiefMojo
04-02-2012, 10:42 PM
At least Mayock was smart enough in the long run to step back after the combine and re-evaluate more film of Poe. It is apparent he saw the same thing as everyone else. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see that Poe is a work-out warrior but a piss poor DT for his physical specks.
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DJ's left nut
04-03-2012, 03:25 PM
http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-city-chiefs/2012/4/3/2923428/nfl-draft-2012-kansas-city-chiefs-dontari-poe-game-film-first-round-pick

I presume this is what folks are referencing?

Yeah - once Mayock finally started paying attention, he saw what the rest of us saw months ago.

I'm tired of listening to these guys and expecting to be wowed by the information they possess. These idiots rarely know anything more than we do. Mayock was talking out his ass, started to actually look into his tripe and realized "wait - I'm full of shit"...

Good for him for at least coming to his senses a little bit.

O.city
04-03-2012, 06:12 PM
So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?


Imagine a Richardson, Poe 1 and 2 round.

suds79
04-04-2012, 03:49 PM
So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?

Until I see a mock that actually has him not in the 1st round I'm going to say no.

SNR
04-04-2012, 07:56 PM
So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?


Imagine a Richardson, Poe 1 and 2 round.
I'm not sure I'd want him even in the 2nd round. That's how much of a hater I am.

Hell, getting caught with weed was enough to turn teams against Justin Houston until the 3rd round. Something far more important like... oh, I don't know... lack of college production might deter teams to let the guy fall equally as far. And in my opinion they should.

Direckshun
04-04-2012, 08:03 PM
He got owned by Baylor during their Bowl game, I'd pass on him

Ugh.... what?

Direckshun
04-04-2012, 08:03 PM
Ta'amu's tape is good.

Chapman's is better:

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I think Ta'amu would be perfectly fine in our system, but he'd take a bit to learn it. Ta'amu shoots a gap a lot in that tape posted earlier in the thread. He plays like a 1-gap NT, but I think he could probably pick up the 2-gap.

Chapman, however, plays exactly like a two-gap. Watch him.

SNR
04-04-2012, 08:15 PM
Ta'amu's tape is good.

Chapman's is better:

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I think Ta'amu would be perfectly fine in our system, but he'd take a bit to learn it. Ta'amu shoots a gap a lot in that tape posted earlier in the thread. He plays like a 1-gap NT, but I think he could probably pick up the 2-gap.

Chapman, however, plays exactly like a two-gap. Watch him.Chapman looks good for sure. But damn... 315 is awfully light for a two-gap nose. He could absolutely be a Ratliff as a one-gapper, but I just don't see a guy like him holding up very well against double teams from professional interior linemen on a weekly basis.

I have no idea what his frame can hold before he starts to lose strength and burst, but he needs AT LEAST 10 more lbs to be counted on legitimately for what we'd ask him to do.

Also, I'm a bit wary of that knee surgery he just had.

Those two factors together put Ta'amu at the smallest notch above Chapman for me.

Direckshun
04-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Chapman looks good for sure. But damn... 315 is awfully light for a two-gap nose. He could absolutely be a Ratliff as a one-gapper, but I just don't see a guy like him holding up very well against double teams from professional interior linemen on a weekly basis.

I have no idea what his frame can hold before he starts to lose strength and burst, but he needs AT LEAST 10 more lbs to be counted on legitimately for what we'd ask him to do.

Also, I'm a bit wary of that knee surgery he just had.

Those two factors together put Ta'amu at the smallest notch above Chapman for me.

I would feel the same way.

I think Chapman's maxed, by the way. He's not getting bigger, really. Ta'amu's bigger and stronger and probably more athletic.

Chapman played like a stud at NT with the knee injury. I have no qualms with him there. Ta'amu just has more tools.

SNR
04-04-2012, 08:20 PM
I would feel the same way.

I think Chapman's maxed, by the way. He's not getting bigger, really. Ta'amu's bigger and stronger and probably more athletic.

Chapman played like a stud at NT with the knee injury. I have no qualms with him there. Ta'amu just has more tools.Reports earlier in the year say Chapman was squatting 580 at Alabama, which was by far the most on the football team. They said without the knee injury, he would have cracked 600.

Strength-wise he's maxed out, but I'd say that's fucking plenty.

Direckshun
04-04-2012, 08:32 PM
Reports earlier in the year say Chapman was squatting 580 at Alabama, which was by far the most on the football team. They said without the knee injury, he would have cracked 600.

Strength-wise he's maxed out, but I'd say that's ****ing plenty.

I also think he's fine at his "lesser" weight of 315ish if he's bookended by the best run-stopping DE duo in the league in Jackson and Dorsey.

But aesthetically, you'd just love to fill that position with a 340+ lbs bear. Not necessarily a <320 lbs overachiever.

But, I'm not Crennel and I'm not Pioli, so whatever.

Coogs
04-04-2012, 08:39 PM
Watching Path to the Draft right now. Talking about Poe. Said despite putting up great numbers at the combine, he did terrible at the most important one for D-tackles. The 3-cone drill. Said he was a half of a second slower than what starting NFL DT's should be. Ryan Sims anyone?

buddha
04-05-2012, 11:57 AM
Mayock has backed away from Poe recently with the speed of an NFL CB. Poe is a big fat pig who came to the combine completely out of shape and he wasn't in good shape during the season.

BUST

Tribal Warfare
04-05-2012, 02:20 PM
I would feel the same way.

I think Chapman's maxed, by the way. He's not getting bigger, really. Ta'amu's bigger and stronger and probably more athletic.

Chapman played like a stud at NT with the knee injury. I have no qualms with him there. Ta'amu just has more tools.

Who got owned in big games against Baylor and Stanford

O.city
04-05-2012, 08:11 PM
Thing with Chapman, good thing, is that he wouldn't take as much time to learn the spot. He's gonna be pretty well coached coming from the Saban school of defense.


I think he's strong enough to play the NT in our system. He could probably support 10 or 15 more pounds but I don't think it's necessary.


I really like that he can press the pocket from the NT front. He could stay in on sub stuff and bull rush.


Also, didn't all the Lbs from Bama rave about CHapman?

Saccopoo
04-05-2012, 10:49 PM
Keep doubting Jerrell Powe. Or, at the very least, remember that we drafted one of the best potential 3-4 nose tackles available in the 2011 draft. Powe was a HS All-American, a two time all-conference SEC guy at Ole Miss, and was a favorite here on CP for a Chief's draftee last year. 6'2", 335 lbs. and plays with great leverage and relishes being a two-gap, run plugging stuffer at the nose.

Ta'amu is not any better than Powe at the same stage and tended to wash out against the better competition.

However, on the note that Chapman is too small to play nose tackle in a 3-4, you should all take a look at the job that Kyle Williams has done over the past several seasons where he's established himself as the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL.

Tribal Warfare
04-05-2012, 11:20 PM
However, on the note that Chapman is too small to play nose tackle in a 3-4, you should all take a look at the job that Kyle Williams has done over the past several seasons where he's established himself as the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL.

Chapman has been heralded as a rock in the middle of the Alabama defense which won the National Championship mind you.Plus, like a QB you draft a NT until you get one that can take that unit over the top.

SNR
04-06-2012, 06:03 PM
Keep doubting Jerrell Powe. Or, at the very least, remember that we drafted one of the best potential 3-4 nose tackles available in the 2011 draft. Powe was a HS All-American, a two time all-conference SEC guy at Ole Miss, and was a favorite here on CP for a Chief's draftee last year. 6'2", 335 lbs. and plays with great leverage and relishes being a two-gap, run plugging stuffer at the nose.

Ta'amu is not any better than Powe at the same stage and tended to wash out against the better competition.

However, on the note that Chapman is too small to play nose tackle in a 3-4, you should all take a look at the job that Kyle Williams has done over the past several seasons where he's established himself as the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL.The Chiefs have too much talent on defense and too high expectations out of the unit to entrust the NT position to Jerrell Powe without even being able to monitor his progress until April 16. And for a position like defensive line, those offseason workouts aren't worth much for shit. You really need training camp to see how well hogs are ready to play at a high level.

I'm not doubting the kid, and I hope he does turn it on this year. I had high hopes for Powe when we drafted him and still do, but if he's not ready to play well at that NT position this year, we're going to get caught fucking a sheep.

If Gregg isn't ready to retire and wants another year, I'm cool with keeping him, Powe, and Toribio (who probably isn't worth a squirrel fart, but you never know) at the position this season. The expectation would then be on Powe to take the starting spot. I'm really not sure if a rookie is going to make much of a difference one way or the other in terms of the quality we have at the NT spot.

Tribal Warfare
04-06-2012, 11:42 PM
Did they win or lose?

Washington lost

Bump
04-06-2012, 11:50 PM
I dont want a guy who is so raw its scary. Was Ngata raw and scary?

lostcause
04-07-2012, 12:59 AM
Ngata was just scary.

milkman
04-07-2012, 10:10 AM
So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?


Imagine a Richardson, Poe 1 and 2 round.

I might consider Poe if he dropped to the 4th round.

Might....

Saccopoo
04-07-2012, 12:44 PM
The Chiefs have too much talent on defense and too high expectations out of the unit to entrust the NT position to Jerrell Powe without even being able to monitor his progress until April 16. And for a position like defensive line, those offseason workouts aren't worth much for shit. You really need training camp to see how well hogs are ready to play at a high level.

I'm not doubting the kid, and I hope he does turn it on this year. I had high hopes for Powe when we drafted him and still do, but if he's not ready to play well at that NT position this year, we're going to get caught ****ing a sheep.

If Gregg isn't ready to retire and wants another year, I'm cool with keeping him, Powe, and Toribio (who probably isn't worth a squirrel fart, but you never know) at the position this season. The expectation would then be on Powe to take the starting spot. I'm really not sure if a rookie is going to make much of a difference one way or the other in terms of the quality we have at the NT spot.

I'm hoping that the Chiefs keep Gregg around for this next season with the hopes that Powe will push to take the starting role sooner rather than later this next season - maybe even by the start of the season and have Gregg around for insurance and player mentoring/coaching. I think a full off season and training camp is going to end up having Powe take that starting spot.

As you pointed out, drafting another guy for the NT spot is going to be essentially the same as having Powe and one other experienced veteran anyway. They aren't going to carry two young guys at nose with a third experienced guy.

As well, one needs to consider that next years draft will have, potentially, three true nose tackles who will be considered near first round type of players.

I don't think that this is the year that the Chiefs really need to worry about drafting a nose tackle, especially high in the draft. Let's see what Powe is capable of and if they feel he's not ready to man the front, then they can look at drafting another guy in 2013 when there will be top quality guys at the position. Powe will then have another year with the team and will be no worse than a solid backup - and I'm hoping that he's going to end up a quality starter at the nose when everything is said and done.

O.city
04-07-2012, 12:52 PM
I wouldn't be upset at all if they took Chapman in the 3 or 4 and let him play the NT role or role Bailey played last year.

Von Dumbass
04-15-2012, 08:38 PM
Memphis DT Dontari Poe wasn't consistently dominant on a game to game basis, but he had plenty of moments where he flashed big time ability.

https://twitter.com/#!/MelKiperESPN/status/191703131057438721

I view KC as a possible destination for Dontari Poe.

https://twitter.com/#!/MelKiperESPN/status/191703459832143872

buddha
04-15-2012, 08:43 PM
Memphis DT Dontari Poe wasn't consistently dominant on a game to game basis, but he had plenty of moments where he flashed big time ability.

https://twitter.com/#!/MelKiperESPN/status/191703131057438721

I view KC as a possible destination for Dontari Poe.

https://twitter.com/#!/MelKiperESPN/status/191703459832143872

Thanks for the link, but that's not good enough for the NFL. KC won't be able to coax it out of him if he didn't show it consistently at the college level.

BigChiefFan
04-16-2012, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the link, but that's not good enough for the NFL. KC won't be able to coax it out of him if he didn't show it consistently at the college level.

I've been watching alot of film on him and he's constantly double-teamed and at times, triple-teamed and he still pushes the pocket. He's alot better than he gets credit for around here.

His upside potential is too much to pass on, especially at a huge hole for us. He's slated to go right at 11, so it isn't a reach. He's got Wilfork potential. Boom or bust, but the upside is having a dominant NT for the next decade plus.

buddha
04-17-2012, 10:58 PM
I've been watching alot of film on him and he's constantly double-teamed and at times, triple-teamed and he still pushes the pocket. He's alot better than he gets credit for around here.

His upside potential is too much to pass on, especially at a huge hole for us. He's slated to go right at 11, so it isn't a reach. He's got Wilfork potential. Boom or bust, but the upside is having a dominant NT for the next decade plus.

Big Chief Fan...you realize that you just described Ryan Simms. Simms was actually better coming out of college than Poe.

You don't draft at #11 based on potential...not if you want to build a winner. This isn't fantasy football. Careers are on the line here.

Proven production is what smart teams draft in the first round. Poe draws double teams because NTs draw double teams by design. He looks like he should be better than he is, right? But he ISN'T.

Blick
04-18-2012, 04:32 AM
Big Chief Fan...you realize that you just described Ryan Simms. Simms was actually better coming out of college than Poe.

You don't draft at #11 based on potential...not if you want to build a winner. This isn't fantasy football. Careers are on the line here.

Proven production is what smart teams draft in the first round. Poe draws double teams because NTs draw double teams by design. He looks like he should be better than he is, right? But he ISN'T.

Sims looked good playing on the same line with Julius Peppers. I can't name anybody else on Poe's Memphis defense, and I'm willing to bet a lot of others couldn't either.

Poe is bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Sims. Hell, he's bigger, stronger, and faster than B.J. Raji.

Yes, he should've dominated his competition. It's a red flag that he didn't.

But, he seems coachable. If Romeo can coach him up, he could be exactly what we need at the nose.

suds79
04-18-2012, 07:12 AM
Sims looked good playing on the same line with Julius Peppers. I can't name anybody else on Poe's Memphis defense, and I'm willing to bet a lot of others couldn't either.

Poe is bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Sims. Hell, he's bigger, stronger, and faster than B.J. Raji.

Yes, he should've dominated his competition. It's a red flag that he didn't.

But, he seems coachable. If Romeo can coach him up, he could be exactly what we need at the nose.

No matter how you slice it, you'd be spending the #11 pick on a guy who flat out didn't play like a 1st rounder and was not a dominate college player. He's only going that high because of his combine.

Can't do it. There are other NTs out there. Ta'amu, Chapman. And a lot less risk. Shoot at least those guys during their college careers have shown to be better players.

buddha
04-18-2012, 08:28 AM
Sims looked good playing on the same line with Julius Peppers. I can't name anybody else on Poe's Memphis defense, and I'm willing to bet a lot of others couldn't either.

Poe is bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Sims. Hell, he's bigger, stronger, and faster than B.J. Raji.

Yes, he should've dominated his competition. It's a red flag that he didn't.

But, he seems coachable. If Romeo can coach him up, he could be exactly what we need at the nose.

Every bad pick starts out with, "if xxxx can coach him up, he could be exactly what we need at xxxxx".

Yes...he should have dominated his competition. He didn't. End of story.

Put another way, how often do mediocre defensive linemen in college become star defensive linemen in the NFL? I can't think of one example.

BTW, you can "coach up" technique. You can't do it with desire, motivation or motor.