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Big Chief Homer
02-16-2012, 06:05 PM
Josh Looney@JoshLooney



add 20 mil to Cap

#Chiefs activate salary cap "carry-over" clause - http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-activate-salary-cap-carry-over-clause/e1174080-a8d2-4608-885a-35119b2a80bb via @kcchiefs


sorry if repost

O.city
02-16-2012, 06:06 PM
We better get to spending then.


BTW, Repost.

Big Chief Homer
02-16-2012, 06:07 PM
Didnt see it buried in the Routt thread

ok then, nothing to see here

The Bad Guy
02-16-2012, 06:16 PM
Yeah, why carry it over unless you intend to spend it?

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 06:21 PM
So i take it that this is a good sign in terms of signing bowe and carr?

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cabletech94
02-16-2012, 06:21 PM
serious question here. what thread was this in? i'd like to see the reaction of you guys.

cabletech94
02-16-2012, 06:21 PM
So i take it that this is a good sign in terms of signing bowe and carr?

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thats what im guessing. but im not too bright.

Brock
02-16-2012, 06:22 PM
Wonder what they'll do with it.

Big Chief Homer
02-16-2012, 06:23 PM
So i take it that this is a good sign in terms of signing bowe and carr?

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I hope so, There's a quote in there from Clark about needing it to keep our young players,but we've all heard that before.

Fruit Ninja
02-16-2012, 06:23 PM
They better bring in some players from the outside that are worth a damn. Not no god damn vet min bulllshit.

The time for this team to make a push is now, not next year, not the year after, but obviously we need a qb :( and in the end, thats what makes me sad.

Big Chief Homer
02-16-2012, 06:24 PM
serious question here. what thread was this in? i'd like to see the reaction of you guys.

Its on page 33 or something like that in the Routt thread.

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 06:25 PM
Its on page 33 or something like that in the Routt thread.

That thread has the AIDS.

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bevischief
02-16-2012, 06:30 PM
The would you thread...

Count Zarth
02-16-2012, 06:34 PM
Someone needs to create a Clark Hunt trollface graphic, with eyeglasses and poofy haircut.

Guru
02-16-2012, 06:36 PM
So what is our cap number now?

FAX
02-16-2012, 06:37 PM
So what is our cap number now?

I think it's just south of equaling the gross national product of Zimbabwe.

FAX

Mr. Laz
02-16-2012, 06:51 PM
Wonder what they'll do with it.
yep, they don't have to spend it but you wouldn't think they would bother unless they had some plan for it.

Direckshun
02-16-2012, 06:53 PM
God yes.

I'm thinking this means they are going to be players.

Mr. Laz
02-16-2012, 06:58 PM
God yes.

I'm thinking this means they are going to be players.
you would think so

31 million under the cap
20 million carry over


got 51 million sitting around so you would think they would have plans to be aggressive.

mnchiefsguy
02-16-2012, 06:59 PM
you would think so

31 million under the cap
20 million carry over


got 51 million sitting around so you would think they would have plans to be aggressive.

Better be aggressive. And you start by signing Bowe and Carr.

xztop12
02-16-2012, 07:00 PM
that means we can sign everyone

and now we have a coach ppl want to play for

xztop12
02-16-2012, 07:02 PM
also i dont see the point in not signing the clause

Sanka
02-16-2012, 07:04 PM
MAKING MOVES FOR PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Epic Fail 007
02-16-2012, 07:09 PM
They might well get used to it because in 2013 all teams have to spend.

Epic Fail 007
02-16-2012, 07:11 PM
Ahh damn im watching most snake bitten teams,kc #9 ,sucks

Pestilence
02-16-2012, 07:11 PM
you would think so

31 million under the cap
20 million carry over


got 51 million sitting around so you would think they would have plans to be aggressive.

I read it was $62 million under.

Direckshun
02-16-2012, 07:12 PM
you would think so

31 million under the cap
20 million carry over

got 51 million sitting around so you would think they would have plans to be aggressive.

The stormclouds are gathering.

Big Chief Homer
02-16-2012, 07:12 PM
Im gonna hope this applies to Bowe and Carr and Its just not Clark puffing smoke!



“It’s been a very big priority for us,” Hunt said. “When the team headed in a young direction starting back in 2008, one of the things we had in the back of our mind is that when those guys got to the end of their first contract, we wanted to be in a position to retain them if they were they type of players that we wanted for the future.

“We’ve obviously done that with a number of guys over the last several years, we’ve got a couple of key guys this year, we’ll have a couple of key guys next year and that’s just going to be a part of the philosophy. We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for as long as possible.”

Consistent1
02-16-2012, 07:14 PM
We are gonna end up with Mario Williams and everybody under the sun now.

stonedstooge
02-16-2012, 07:15 PM
I thought there was $28 million dollars to carry over. Wasn't too long ago that amount was published in some article

Epic Fail 007
02-16-2012, 07:17 PM
MAKING MOVES FOR PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean for a broke manning

FAX
02-16-2012, 07:17 PM
also i dont see the point in not signing the clause

My guess is that, if you don't carry it over, you don't have to spend it. The unspent cap money just evaporates. Alternatively, if you carry it over to the current year, it basically increases your available cash. Then, in order to stay under the cap, you have to spend it.

At least, I imagine that's how it works. I haven't looked it up, though.

FAX

Bewbies
02-16-2012, 07:18 PM
I tend to think this has to do with a certain hated QB.

jspchief
02-16-2012, 07:18 PM
I thought there was $28 million dollars to carry over. Wasn't too long ago that amount was published in some article

Clark said that estimate by the media was off.

stonedstooge
02-16-2012, 07:26 PM
Clark said that estimate by the media was off.

So Clark kept it in other words

beach tribe
02-16-2012, 07:51 PM
So Clark kept it in other words

If this isn't sarcasm it's more stupid BS about Clark being cheap.

beach tribe
02-16-2012, 07:52 PM
You mean for a broke manning

Who could put us in the SB if he's at 75% or better.

beach tribe
02-16-2012, 07:52 PM
Bowe, Carr, Soliai(sp) come on down.

58-4ever
02-16-2012, 07:58 PM
That thread has the AIDS.

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Your signature annoys me.

philfree
02-16-2012, 08:01 PM
Bowe, Carr, Soliai(sp) come on down.

And a FA Center.

ILChief
02-16-2012, 08:03 PM
Give it to manning

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:06 PM
An offseason of Bowe, Carr, Soliai, Nicks, Landry, and Orton would be the greatest free agent offseason in Chiefs history.

CrazyHorse
02-16-2012, 08:06 PM
Makes you think we could have been a better team last season, dont it?

CrazyHorse
02-16-2012, 08:07 PM
An offseason of Bowe, Carr, Soliai, Nicks, Landry, and Orton would be the greatest free agent offseason in Chiefs history.

Orton? Seriously? Be careful what you wish for.

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 08:08 PM
Orton? Seriously? Be careful what you wish for.

Meh.

Orton>Cassel

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:09 PM
If you sign those guys, get healthy, and have a good draft, Orton can take this team to a SB.

Fritz88
02-16-2012, 08:09 PM
you would think so

31 million under the cap
20 million carry over


got 51 million sitting around so you would think they would have plans to be aggressive.

Pioli better do something in the last two years of his contract.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:12 PM
With this money, this offseason, the Chiefs could potentially enter next season with


The best secondary in the NFL
The best pair of RB's in the NFL
A top 5 defense, led by a solid dline, and one of the better young linebacking cores int the NFL.
A young, great offensive line.
And Kyle "gonna be this years Rich Gannon" Orton.

Fruit Ninja
02-16-2012, 08:13 PM
Makes you think we could have been a better team last season, dont it?

Possibly, but they wanted Haley gone. So, i can see why they hamstrung the fuck out of him. That had to be the reason.

anyways, they better be all in, because the time is now for this core.

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 08:15 PM
Well..less than a month until the start of free agency. Time to lock them up Scott! Don't even let them test the market...

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:16 PM
QB: Orton,Cassel, Stanzi,
RB: Charles, Richardson, McCluster, Battle
FB: Bannon

WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Urbhan, McCluster
TE: Moeaki, Charles, O'Connell

LT: Albert, Reynolds
LG: Nicks, Harris
C: Hudson, Harris
RG: Asamoah, Harris
RT: Reynolds, Maneri

DE: Dorsey, Bailey
NT: Powe, Soliai, Gordon
DE: Jackson, Gordon

OLB: Hali, Sheffield
ILB: Belcher, Siler
ILB: Johnson, Williams
OLB: Houston, Studebaker

CB: Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Daniels, Tandy, Brown
S: Berry, Lewis, Landry, Washington

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR/PR: Arenas, McCluster


Find a hole in that roster.

BossChief
02-16-2012, 08:18 PM
An offseason of Bowe, Carr, Soliai, Nicks, Landry, and Orton would be the greatest free agent offseason in Chiefs history.

We should give up talking about Landry.

He has been told he needs Achilles surgery.

Thats not good news.

beach tribe
02-16-2012, 08:18 PM
If you sign those guys, get healthy, and have a good draft, Orton can take this team to a SB.

I think so too. I got blasted for it before, because some here believe that if we get Orton, and he does well that we can't draft a QB. But I think another 10 win 27-7 season from Cassel will push us further from our QBOTF than anything else.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:19 PM
Didn't he go with some other form of therapy tho?


Maybe it worked out and he comes really cheap.

mcaj22
02-16-2012, 08:19 PM
if Landry comes here hes coming here to start as a 3 down player not as some Jon McGraw part timer

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 08:19 PM
QB: Orton,Cassel, Stanzi,
RB: Charles, Richardson, McCluster, Battle
FB: Bannon

WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Urbhan, McCluster
TE: Moeaki, Charles, O'Connell

LT: Albert, Reynolds
LG: Nicks, Harris
C: Hudson, Harris
RG: Asamoah, Harris
RT: Reynolds, Maneri

DE: Dorsey, Bailey
NT: Powe, Soliai, Gordon
DE: Jackson, Gordon

OLB: Hali, Sheffield
ILB: Belcher, Siler
ILB: Johnson, Williams
OLB: Houston, Studebaker

CB: Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Daniels, Tandy, Brown
S: Berry, Lewis, Landry, Washington

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR/PR: Arenas, McCluster


Find a hole in that roster.

MANERI FTW!!!!

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:20 PM
If Landry is healthy, he's got the potential to be as good as Berry at SS.

A safety tandem of Berry and Landry would be scary has hell.

BossChief
02-16-2012, 08:22 PM
O.City, you have fallen victim to Sacapoo.

Reynolds can't handle speed any better than Barry Richardson can.

If he is our starting right tackle, the line is gonna have serious issues.

beach tribe
02-16-2012, 08:23 PM
We should give up talking about Landry.

He has been told he needs Achilles surgery.

Thats not good news.

I really like the thought of the guy at 100%, but he hasn't been that way for some time. I like K. Lewis too, but we really do need another solid S.
Take me off the Berry at Free wagon though. I really believe Berry would be the best safety in football for the next 10 years at SS.
He's just too awesome in run support. We can always move him to FS when he's 28 or so.
EDIT: And Lewis is going to make a damn fine FS if you ask me. Meaning we just need really reliable depth, and Landry just seems to be hurt all the time, but that doesn't mean I'm against bringing him in.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:23 PM
I got that list from the draft thread, I just basically added the free agents and Richardson. I didn't look at anything else.


I'd take Massie in the third.

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:23 PM
If you sign those guys, get healthy, and have a good draft, Orton can take this team to a SB.

chiefs fans have lost their god damn minds....


at this point i might as well root for the cubs

Count Zarth
02-16-2012, 08:24 PM
Which Landry are we talking about?

Dawan Landry had a shitty year according to PFF.

personally I think Kendrick Lewis is just fine, we don't need stars at every position. We have money to spend, but I'd still rather spend it elsewhere.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:25 PM
I really like the thought of the guy at 100%, but he hasn't been that way for some time. I like K. Lewis too, but we really do need another solid S.
Take me off the Berry at Free wagon though. I really believe Berry would be the best safety in football for the next 10 years at SS.
He's just too awesome in run support. We can always move him to FS when he's 28 or so.

I agree that Berry is a great SS, but I think he would be just as great at FS.


A healthy Landry would be pretty damn close to what berry is at SS.


IF Landry is healthy, he's a free agent I really want. I love the idea of our secondary with those two in the back and the Brandons on the outside. That's a ballhawking turnover making secondary, with Lewis being a subpackage center fielder.

It would be scary some of the formations and things Romeo could do with that secondary.

Count Zarth
02-16-2012, 08:26 PM
Orton? Seriously? Be careful what you wish for.

There's not really a better option out there, beyond the pipe dream of RG3.

At worst Orton can make Cassel look like a joke in comparison, and we could use that.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:26 PM
Orton has never ever gotten a fair shake or had the talent that the Chiefs could put around him next year on the offensive side of the ball.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:27 PM
Which Landry are we talking about?

Dawan Landry had a shitty year according to PFF.

personally I think Kendrick Lewis is just fine, we don't need stars at every position. We have money to spend, but I'd still rather spend it elsewhere.

Leron Landry.

CrazyHorse
02-16-2012, 08:29 PM
Possibly, but they wanted Haley gone. So, i can see why they hamstrung the **** out of him. That had to be the reason.

anyways, they better be all in, because the time is now for this core.

If they want Haley gone just say....your fired. Besides, it wouldn't be just hamstringing one person. It would be sacrificing the success of an entire team for the sake of jerking one head coach around. That makes no sense in the business world or team building. Even if they were on the hook for his salary, it wouldn't be cap money so they could just pay it and move on to what they really wanted. Its not like they were hurting for money.

There really is no excuse for being nearly 30 million under (before Orton).

beach tribe
02-16-2012, 08:29 PM
I agree that Berry is a great SS, but I think he would be just as great at FS.


A healthy Landry would be pretty damn close to what berry is at SS.


IF Landry is healthy, he's a free agent I really want. I love the idea of our secondary with those two in the back and the Brandons on the outside. That's a ballhawking turnover making secondary, with Lewis being a subpackage center fielder.

It would be scary some of the formations and things Romeo could do with that secondary.

Can't argue with this, but unless Landry is here, and 100% Berry needs to stay where he's at. He may be the best run supporting S in the league already, and KL is only suited at the free.

BossChief
02-16-2012, 08:33 PM
Didn't he go with some other form of therapy tho?


Maybe it worked out and he comes really cheap.

He tried stem cell stuff for his recovery rather than have surgery and it hasn't worked out as well as he hoped and has need told, reportedly, that he needs the surgery.

Hate to say it, but if that true hos career is in jeopardy.

Also, I don't think we can win a championship with Orton.

A playoff game or two, probably.

I just don't see him having enough sauce and mobility to be able to overcome the elite defenses come playoff time.

If we add two stud pieces to fill the OL AND draft Trent Richardson along with a couple pieces in FA while retaining Carr and Bowe...it's still a long shot.

He doesn't move well in the pocket and elite defenses will be able to get him off his spot and effect hos decision making and force him into turnovers or being a tad gunshy. That's always been the recipe to beating the guy.

I'll say this:

If we find a way to rebuild the "line of fame" (as I called it when I posted at the coalition) he would have a chance.



I could be wrong, though.

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:36 PM
Kyle Orton isn't taking any team to the superbowl ever

i can't believe this is even being discussed, except that I can believe it is being discussed here at Warpaint....

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:37 PM
He tried stem cell stuff for his recovery rather than have surgery and it hasn't worked out as well as he hoped and has need told, reportedly, that he needs the surgery.

Hate to say it, but if that true hos career is in jeopardy.

Also, I don't think we can win a championship with Orton.

A playoff game or two, probably.

I just don't see him having enough sauce and mobility to be able to overcome the elite defenses come playoff time.

If we add two stud pieces to fill the OL AND draft Trent Richardson along with a couple pieces in FA while retaining Carr and Bowe...it's still a long shot.

He doesn't move well in the pocket and elite defenses will be able to get him off his spot and effect hos decision making and force him into turnovers or being a tad gunshy. That's always been the recipe to beating the guy.

I'll say this:

If we find a way to rebuild the "line of fame" (as I called it when I posted at the coalition) he would have a chance.



I could be wrong, though.


I do agree that he doesn't move well in the pocket. However, if things were to go like I proposed, he would have an abundance of weapons on offense, something he's never had.

Just having Richardson and a healthy Charles would consistently put 8 guys in the box.

Also, have to ask yourself, what elite defense in the AFC would we have to beat?

I think the Ravens and Steelers elite defenses are aging.

The Chiefs time is now. This offseason. Make the moves, win.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:39 PM
If Flaaco can take a team to the brink of the SB, Kyle Orton can.

Count Zarth
02-16-2012, 08:40 PM
If Flaaco can take a team to the brink of the SB, Kyle Orton can.

Agree.

And I think the Ravens would have shitbeat the Patriots.

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 08:41 PM
Kyle Orton isn't taking any team to the superbowl ever

i can't believe this is even being discussed, except that I can believe it is being discussed here at Warpaint....

You also said Pioli did NOT say there would be competition brought in at the QB spot and you were wrong.

So...

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:41 PM
If Flaaco can take a team to the brink of the SB, Kyle Orton can.

why?

that makes no sense at all...

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:42 PM
You also said Pioli did NOT say there would be competition brought in at the QB spot and you were wrong.

So...

no, i wasn't...and there won't be any competition for Cassel

and Orton isn't taking anyone to a Superbowl...which is too obvious to even require defending in a sane world

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:43 PM
I think Orton is every bit as good as Flacco.

I think Orton could do similar things that Trent Green did here. With the defense we have now that would be great.

Joe Flacco and Alex Smith took teams to the League Championship games. Kyle Orton can do the same.

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 08:44 PM
no, i wasn't...and there won't be any competition for Cassel

and Orton isn't taking anyone to a Superbowl...which is too obvious to even require defending in a sane world

Orton>Cassel.

Orton is a realistic upgrade over Cassel. Maybe not much...but if you want to stick with Cassel. Fine.

philfree
02-16-2012, 08:45 PM
I think Orton is every bit as good as Flacco.

I think Orton could do similar things that Trent Green did here. With the defense we have now that would be great.

Joe Flacco and Alex Smith took teams to the League Championship games. Kyle Orton can do the same.



Okay we need a name change here.

Orton City!

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:45 PM
Orton could be a top 10 quarterback in the league if put in the right situation.

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:45 PM
Okay we need a name change here.

Orton City!

Sounds good to me.

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:46 PM
I think Orton is every bit as good as Flacco.

I think Orton could do similar things that Trent Green did here. With the defense we have now that would be great.

Joe Flacco and Alex Smith took teams to the League Championship games. Kyle Orton can do the same.

there is no evidence for anything you just said

and flacco and smith were both 1st round picks...

it's just a bunch of wishful thinking...how many mediocre vet QBs over 30 years does it take for this kind of stupid crap to end?

-King-
02-16-2012, 08:47 PM
no, i wasn't...and there won't be any competition for Cassel

and Orton isn't taking anyone to a Superbowl...which is too obvious to even require defending in a sane world

:spock: In what way weren't you?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=8376112#post8376112

DeezNutz
02-16-2012, 08:48 PM
Please, please, please, please sign Orton.

(gun shot)

O.city
02-16-2012, 08:48 PM
So because they were first rounds picks they are great?


What does them being first round picks have to do with anything?

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 08:48 PM
:spock: In what way weren't you?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=8376112#post8376112

+Rep.

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:48 PM
Orton>Cassel.

Orton is a realistic upgrade over Cassel. Maybe not much...but if you want to stick with Cassel. Fine.

what are talking about?

and what does that have to do with the actual subject: Orton taking a team to the superbowl?

no one gives a shit about cassel

Orton isn't taking anyone to a superbowl and this board has turned into some kind of pathetic fantasy land...

BossChief
02-16-2012, 08:48 PM
I've been here quite awhile and I don't think I've EVER read a positive post of TTCs.

We could sign Peyton Manning with full nerve activity, sign 2 HOF linemen, sign Soliai and have an awesome draft and the guy would predict 7 or 8 wins.

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:49 PM
So because they were first rounds picks they are great?


What does them being first round picks have to do with anything?

because first round picks end up in superbowls, 4th round picks don't

do you watch the nfl?

philfree
02-16-2012, 08:50 PM
Sounds good to me.

Things looked alot better when it became Romeo and Orton but we didn't score near enough points. Cassel, Orton, Phobia can throw it 60 yards:shrug: Not what we need to be striving for. Or talking up in this case.

Orton over Cassel? Sure why not!

Mr_Tomahawk
02-16-2012, 08:50 PM
what are talking about?

and what does that have to do with the actual subject: Orton taking a team to the superbowl?

no one gives a shit about cassel

Orton isn't taking anyone to a superbowl and this board has turned into some kind of pathetic fantasy land...

You are taking one posters opinion and making it the "actual subject."

I believe MOST people are saying Orton is an upgrade over Cassel...

amiright?

DeezNutz
02-16-2012, 08:50 PM
I've been here quite awhile and I don't think I've EVER read a positive post of TTCs.

We could sign Peyton Manning with full nerve activity, sign 2 HOF linemen, sign Soliai and have an awesome draft and the guy would predict 7 or 8 wins.

Not true. Dude was pretty positive for the first year or so of Pioli, but it's pretty obvious what's going on now with that Tree smelling fuck. Thus, despair and angst.

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:51 PM
I've been here quite awhile and I don't think I've EVER read a positive post of TTCs.

We could sign Peyton Manning with full nerve activity, sign 2 HOF linemen, sign Soliai and have an awesome draft and the guy would predict 7 or 8 wins.

nah, you just want to believe in stupid shit without being called on it...Warpaint is probably more your style

and if you believe Orton is taking a team to a superbowl you deserve to be made fun of....

and as to your first point...well, you must be blind...i already know you're dumb

the Talking Can
02-16-2012, 08:55 PM
Not true. Dude was pretty positive for the first year or so of Pioli, but it's pretty obvious what's going on now with that Tree smelling ****. Thus, despair and angst.


ha

i defended pioli acquiring cassel and jackson even though i hated both moves...go to the archives, I argued endlessly with hamas about both

i defended the move to the 3-4
i defended cutting all the shit players like pollard
i defended Haley and his play calling
i praised pioli up and down for his last two drafts minus the mccluster fiasco and moeaki pick

and on and on....I spent more time defending those moves than anyone in this thread put together and multiplied by 100

but the people who are dumb enough to think Orton is taking us to a superbowl are the kind of people who insist you live in their fantasy world...they are also morons

i praise things worth praising and make fun of things worth making fun of...

BossChief
02-16-2012, 08:59 PM
because first round picks end up in superbowls, 4th round picks don't

do you watch the nfl?
So now we are gonna defend Alex Smith just because he was a first round pick?

A year ago, he was damn close to JaFatass status, now he is part of the rule?

Child, please.
Not true. Dude was pretty positive for the first year or so of Pioli, but it's pretty obvious what's going on now with that Tree smelling fuck. Thus, despair and angst.this is a total joke.

He was pretty positive about the 2009 season?

What?

Who?

I always try to find the positive side of things and I couldn't in 2009.

nah, you just want to believe in stupid shit
without being called on it...Warpaint is probably more your style

and if you believe Orton is taking a team to a superbowl you deserve to be made fun of....

and as to your first point...well, you must be blind...i already know you're dumb

You must love beating the death out of that strawman.

I have said twice in this thread that Orton isn't winning a superbowl.

What exactly have I been wrong about?

BossChief
02-16-2012, 09:14 PM
ha

i defended pioli acquiring cassel and jackson even though i hated both moves...go to the archives, I argued endlessly with hamas about both

i defended the move to the 3-4
i defended cutting all the shit players like pollard
i defended Haley and his play calling
i praised pioli up and down for his last two drafts minus the mccluster fiasco and moeaki pick

and on and on....I spent more time defending those moves than anyone in this thread put together and multiplied by 100

but the people who are dumb enough to think Orton is taking us to a superbowl are the kind of people who insist you live in their fantasy world...they are also morons

i praise things worth praising and make fun of things worth making fun
of...

If all this is true, I stand corrected and apologize.

Current perception has probably thrown off my radar.

splatbass
02-16-2012, 09:25 PM
chiefs fans have lost their god damn minds....


at this point i might as well root for the cubs

I want to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl with Orton just so you'll shut the fuck up.

BossChief
02-16-2012, 10:06 PM
All in all, the fact that we have guys from all sides of the spectrum here on CP is what makes the place great.

You often have to have complete pessimists and raging homers for guys like me to provide a realistic take on things that resides somewhere in the middle of the two.

ROFL

slapnutz_4
02-16-2012, 10:08 PM
Josh Looney@JoshLooney



add 20 mil to Cap

#Chiefs activate salary cap "carry-over" clause - http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-activate-salary-cap-carry-over-clause/e1174080-a8d2-4608-885a-35119b2a80bb via @kcchiefs


sorry if repost

sorry haven't read all of this but does this have something to do with why we haven't signed carr and bowe yet? we wouldn't have been able to roll over near as much money

Psyko Tek
02-16-2012, 10:08 PM
Which Landry are we talking about?

Dawan Landry had a shitty year according to PFF.

personally I think Kendrick Lewis is just fine, we don't need stars at every position. We have money to spend, but I'd still rather spend it elsewhere.

Kendrick kicked some major ass this year
depth not replacement at safety

BIG K
02-16-2012, 10:10 PM
Josh Looney@JoshLooney



add 20 mil to Cap

#Chiefs activate salary cap "carry-over" clause - http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-activate-salary-cap-carry-over-clause/e1174080-a8d2-4608-885a-35119b2a80bb via @kcchiefs


sorry if repost
So, 60 or 80 m under the cap?

aturnis
02-16-2012, 11:50 PM
Josh Looney@JoshLooney



add 20 mil to Cap

#Chiefs activate salary cap "carry-over" clause - http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-activate-salary-cap-carry-over-clause/e1174080-a8d2-4608-885a-35119b2a80bb via @kcchiefs


sorry if repost

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el borracho
02-17-2012, 12:10 AM
Wonder what they'll do with it.

Record breaking bonus on Cassel's next extension.

Chocolate Hog
02-17-2012, 12:38 AM
Damn.

LT- Albert
LG- Nicks
C- Hudson
RG- Asamoah
RT-????

RB- Charles, Richardson, McCluster

WR- Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Copper

TE- Moaki, Fleener


That could be the best offense to never win a super bowl.

Count Zarth
02-17-2012, 12:38 AM
I'd love to see Cassel sign a $100 million contract.

Fruit Ninja
02-17-2012, 01:12 AM
Damn.

LT- Albert
LG- Nicks
C- Hudson
RG- Asamoah
RT-????

RB- Charles, Richardson, McCluster

WR- Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Copper

TE- Moaki, Fleener


That could be the best offense to never win a super bowl.

We may have to draft someone in the 2nd, or :( resign Richardson! There isnt a tackle out there outside of Gaither and you know his ass isnt coming to KC again haha

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 06:32 AM
All in all, the fact that we have guys from all sides of the spectrum here on CP is what makes the place great.

You often have to have complete pessimists and raging homers for guys like me to provide a realistic take on things that resides somewhere in the middle of the two.

ROFL

you love yourself more than anyone on this board...hilarious

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 06:34 AM
I want to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl with Orton just so you'll shut the **** up.

I want the Chiefs to get a real QB so you will shut the **** up about winning superbowls with Steve Orton and Kyle Bono

notorious
02-17-2012, 06:36 AM
I'd love to see Cassel sign a $100 million contract.

At least that would bring a quick death to my fandom.

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 07:14 AM
Meh.

Orton>Cassel

I've seen nothing to support that. The last three games of this season can be just as much attributed to the coaching change as the signing of Orton. He's definitely better than Palko, but aside from Brodie friggin Croyle, who isn't?

I don't see much of a difference between Cassel and Orton. They're both "meh" Qbs. Orton has a slightly stronger arm, so his interceptions get to the DBs faster. That's about it.

Chiefnj2
02-17-2012, 07:17 AM
Orton has a slightly stronger arm, so his interceptions get to the DBs faster. That's about it.

That made me chuckle.

The Bad Guy
02-17-2012, 07:22 AM
I've seen nothing to support that. The last three games of this season can be just as much attributed to the coaching change as the signing of Orton. He's definitely better than Palko, but aside from Brodie friggin Croyle, who isn't?

I don't see much of a difference between Cassel and Orton. They're both "meh" Qbs. Orton has a slightly stronger arm, so his interceptions get to the DBs faster. That's about it.

Orton is FAR more accurate with the football.

It's not really close.

Chiefnj2
02-17-2012, 07:30 AM
Orton is FAR more accurate with the football.

It's not really close.

It's not close, except for the actual numbers.

bricks
02-17-2012, 07:30 AM
Orton also progresses through his reads a lot better than Cassel.

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 07:30 AM
Orton is FAR more accurate with the football.

It's not really close.

If you look at their careers side by side, they're pretty much the same. Stats are eerily similar, though stats can be misleading. Orton is more accurate when he has time to throw, but when it comes to decision making, presnap reads, inability to take over a game against a decent defense, deer in the headlights look, it's a draw to me.

I've been watching Orton since his Chicago days, and I was rooting for him to get a fair shot. He got one, and he didn't impress me. There's a lot to be said about the Broncos turnaround with Tebow after Orton was unceremoniously dismissed. Same team, completely different results.

Mr_Tomahawk
02-17-2012, 07:32 AM
Our defense is grateful for Orton...

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 07:36 AM
Our defense is grateful for Orton...

I think our defense was just grateful for anyone but Palko/Cassel

HemiEd
02-17-2012, 07:40 AM
Better be aggressive. And you start by signing Bowe and Carr.

and Peyton Manning

The Bad Guy
02-17-2012, 07:42 AM
If you look at their careers side by side, they're pretty much the same. Stats are eerily similar, though stats can be misleading. Orton is more accurate when he has time to throw, but when it comes to decision making, presnap reads, inability to take over a game against a decent defense, deer in the headlights look, it's a draw to me.

I've been watching Orton since his Chicago days, and I was rooting for him to get a fair shot. He got one, and he didn't impress me. There's a lot to be said about the Broncos turnaround with Tebow after Orton was unceremoniously dismissed. Same team, completely different results.

Orton is no savior. However, Cassel is one of the worst QBs in terms of yards per game and putting the ball in places for receivers to run after the catch.

Cassel doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy of Orton. Orton had very limited time with the receivers and he was able to put passes in places Cassel never could.

I'm not saying Orton is some stud, but he's a better option for any offense than Matt Cassel.

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 07:47 AM
Orton is no savior. However, Cassel is one of the worst QBs in terms of yards per game and putting the ball in places for receivers to run after the catch.

Cassel doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy of Orton. Orton had very limited time with the receivers and he was able to put passes in places Cassel never could.

I'm not saying Orton is some stud, but he's a better option for any offense than Matt Cassel.

I can't say that I completely disagree with you at this point, after watching Cassel shit the bed time and time again in important situations, but a slightly better average QB isn't really what I'm looking for right now. This team can win, and with the right moves and a GOOD QB, they can win big right now.

I don't want to "rob Peter to pay Paul," so to speak. He might make the team better in certain games, during the regular season, but Orton isn't someone that I'd be confident having under center in the playoffs, which is mainly why I say he's no better.

Cassel can get us to the playoffs. He's shown that, and if not for all the injuries he'd have done it again. I want to see a playoff WIN in my adult life, something that is yet to happen.

Mr_Tomahawk
02-17-2012, 07:49 AM
J. Charles can get us to the playoffs. He's shown that, and if not for all the injuries he'd have done it again. I want to see a playoff WIN in my adult life, something that is yet to happen.

FYP.

HemiEd
02-17-2012, 07:49 AM
Orton is no savior. However, Cassel is one of the worst QBs in terms of yards per game and putting the ball in places for receivers to run after the catch.

Cassel doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy of Orton. Orton had very limited time with the receivers and he was able to put passes in places Cassel never could.

I'm not saying Orton is some stud, but he's a better option for any offense than Matt Cassel.

He can also execute a basic screen pass without crapping in his pants and throwing it directly to the defender. After that, he can even hit his own head with his hat.

Dayze
02-17-2012, 07:52 AM
heard from the Radio moron this morning that the Chiefs shouldn't sign Carr if he wants more than like 5-6M/yr or somethign along those lines.


Yeah...let's not keep a good player; lets take the money we saved by being Cheap/Chiefs and put it into a scrub lineman.

FFS, Clark even said he's been a cheap bastard the past few seasons with anticipation of signing key players of our own.

his alternative to not signing Carr was 'someone like a Cortland Finnegan"

JFC

Mr_Tomahawk
02-17-2012, 07:53 AM
He can also execute a basic screen pass without crapping in his pants and throwing it directly to the defender. After that, he can even hit his own head with his hat.

You forgot the part on how he can't call a play correctly without screwing up the terminology...after 3 years removed.

splatbass
02-17-2012, 08:05 AM
I want the Chiefs to get a real QB so you will shut the **** up about winning superbowls with Steve Orton and Kyle Bono

You have a simplistic, unrealistic and unreasonable view of football. In short, you don't know shit.

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 08:11 AM
You have a simplistic, unrealistic and unreasonable view of football. In short, you don't know shit.

let's clarify, for the dense

believing Kyle Orton is taking the Chiefs to a superbowl = smart

believing Kyle Orton is not taking the Chiefs to a superbowl = dumb


this is how far down the fucking rabbit hole we've gone...

imagine 4 years ago, Pioli in his introductory speech says, "Kyle Orton is taking us to a superbowl...."

he'd be laughed out of the NFL, fired on the spot, and unanimously told to drink aids on Chiefsplanet...but now, you think it is common sense that Orton is a superbowl QB...

while you marinate in the retarded-ness of your opinion, I'm going to go shoot my face off with an aids shotgun...

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 08:11 AM
this place went to hell when Hamas left

I mean...this place went to Warpaint when Hamas left

Mr_Tomahawk
02-17-2012, 08:15 AM
let's clarify, for the dense

believing Kyle Orton is taking the Chiefs to a superbowl = smart

believing Kyle Orton is not taking the Chiefs to a superbowl = dumb


this is how far down the ****ing rabbit hole we've gone...

imagine 4 years ago, Pioli in his introductory speech says, "Kyle Orton is taking us to a superbowl...."

he'd be laughed out of the NFL, fired on the spot, and unanimously told to drink aids on Chiefsplanet...but now, you think it is common sense that Orton is a superbowl QB...

while you marinate in the retarded-ness of your opinion, I'm going to go shoot my face off with an aids shotgun...

You are retarded....

One poster, O City, said Orton could take this team to the SB.

Nobody else.

Most others are saying that this offense is better when Orton is under center rather than Cassel and at BEST could win a playoff game...or two.

Drop the SB shit...ONE person said that.

You are a dumb mother****er.

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 08:18 AM
You are retarded....

One poster, O City, said Orton could take this team to the SB.

Nobody else.

Most others are saying that this offense is better when Orton is under center rather than Cassel and at BEST could win a playoff game...or two.

Drop the SB shit...ONE person said that.

You are a dumb mother****er.

pay attention, dipshit, for the last time

the subject is Orton taking us to the superbowl...learn how to read, then don't post...we're not discussing Cassel

your worthlessness comes through without needing your posts as evidence

FAX
02-17-2012, 08:19 AM
In Pioli's dream, Daboll is kissing his rings while Cassel roams the sidelines picking up candy wrappers.

I'm sorry, but Cassel did not "get" us to the playoffs. He was on the team. That's about all the credit he deserves. When the chips were down, his inner doofus emerged.

He folded like a Russian contortionist in the Faider game (at Arrowhead) ... a game in which he was 11 of 33 for a tad north of 100 yards and threw 2 INTs (and 2 of the worst interceptions you'll ever see thrown by anybody, anywhere, any year). As for his playoff performance, he pooped himself even worse with 3 more INTs going 9 of 18 for 70 yards.

It was Jamaal Charles who saved our ass in 2010. Not Cassel.

FAX

Mr_Tomahawk
02-17-2012, 08:22 AM
pay attention, dipshit, for the last time

the subject is Orton taking us to the superbowl...learn how to read, then don't post...we're not discussing Cassel

your worthlessness comes through without needing your posts as evidence

You are wrong.

Again.

Just like you were wrong with Pioli not saying QB competition would be brought in. You said you weren't, King posted a link showing you said it.

You are wrong...again.

Feel free to quote ALL the posters who are talking about Orton+Superbowl. I think you have been the one talking about it the most.

You hold about as much football aptitude as a powder puff fan...and THAT may be a compliment for you.

FAX
02-17-2012, 08:22 AM
As for Orton, he's the soggy piece of driftwood you cling to when the cruise ship is upside down in the middle of the Atlantic. It's a shame, too, since you paid for the ocean view suite with the king-sized bed.

FAX

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 08:28 AM
In Pioli's dream, Daboll is kissing his rings while Cassel roams the sidelines picking up candy wrappers.

I'm sorry, but Cassel did not "get" us to the playoffs. He was on the team. That's about all the credit he deserves. When the chips were down, his inner doofus emerged.

He folded like a Russian contortionist in the Faider game (at Arrowhead) ... a game in which he was 11 of 33 for a tad north of 100 yards and threw 2 INTs (and 2 of the worst interceptions you'll ever see thrown by anybody, anywhere, any year). As for his playoff performance, he pooped himself even worse with 3 more INTs going 9 of 18 for 70 yards.

It was Jamaal Charles who saved our ass in 2010. Not Cassel.

FAX
I missworded it. Instead of saying he's proven he can get us to the playoffs, I should have said we've proven we can get to the playoffs with Cassel, but it's really just semantics. My point is still pretty much the same as yours: Cassel isn't going to take us anywhere from January on.

I don't really want to bet the farm on Orton doing it either, though.

Bewbies
02-17-2012, 08:35 AM
I love this place. This thread would be epic if Dane and Hamas were still here, although TTC is doing ok. LMAO

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 08:36 AM
I love this place. This thread would be epic if Dane and Hamas were still here, although TTC is doing ok. LMAO

What's TTC?

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 08:36 AM
it just dawned on me that off season is going to consist of listening to Warpaint quality posters unfurl long elaborate rationalizations for why Kyle Orton is a reason to be excited...that this is what Clark Hunt has reduced us to...this is what Pioli has wrought...this is what you get from a Franchise that doesn't care and fanbase beaten into submission

Kyle Orton, a complete fucking nobody...a NOBODY who has accomplished nothing, is the thing you have to embrace to be considered an Official Chiefs Fan...in a better world we'd all commit suicide...on a better board the very idea would be so savagely mocked that posters would throw themselves off of real buildings...


somewhere a candy wrapper blows in the wind...

Bewbies
02-17-2012, 08:36 AM
If you want Orton or Cassel you are a pussy. Both players have proven they can't win shit.

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 08:37 AM
I love this place. This thread would be epic if Dane and Hamas were still here, although TTC is doing ok. LMAO

so few people remember the old ways....

Mr_Tomahawk
02-17-2012, 08:38 AM
If you want Orton or Cassel you are a pussy. Both players have proven they can't win shit.

Better...realistic idea?

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 08:38 AM
If you want Orton or Cassel you are a pussy. Both players have proven they can't win shit.

Pretty much exactly what I've been saying, minus the Pussy thing.

the Talking Can
02-17-2012, 08:40 AM
i will leave you to your Kyle Orton fever dreams....enjoy your retarded sleep, may aids creep in your bedroom window

Mr_Tomahawk
02-17-2012, 08:42 AM
i will leave you to your Kyle Orton fever dreams....enjoy your retarded sleep, may aids creep in your bedroom window

Let me guess..

You believe trading up for RG3 is a realistic scenario for this regime?

You think they will throw $30 million at an 80% Peyton with Daboll as the OC?

Or...you would rather take a chance and roll Stanzi out there who never surpassed Palko on the depth chart...until the final 3 weeks?

Those are realistic.

HemiEd
02-17-2012, 08:46 AM
this place went to hell when Hamas left

I mean...this place went to Warpaint when Hamas left

Hamas left?

malachi47000
02-17-2012, 08:47 AM
The Chiefs need to resign their own players first (ie Carr and Bowe, McClain), pick up Nicks, Soliai, Landry (if healthy) and perhaps Demetrius Bell in free agency, and then throw all the draft picks needed to move up and snag RGIII (let's say a 1st and 2nd this year, and a 1st and 3rd next year). This would also give them picks to find another DT and OT and depth that they could use to fill holes and backup roles in this and next years draft.

Micjones
02-17-2012, 08:55 AM
The Chiefs need to resign their own players first (ie Carr and Bowe, McClain), pick up Nicks, Soliai, Landry (if healthy) and perhaps Demetrius Bell in free agency, and then throw all the draft picks needed to move up and snag RGIII (let's say a 1st and 2nd this year, and a 1st and 3rd next year). This would also give them picks to find another DT and OT and depth that they could use to fill holes and backup roles in this and next years draft.

Not sure how important McClain is to this team.
He certainly brought a level of pride and heart to the squad, but I'm not sure how valuable he was on the field.

Bewbies
02-17-2012, 08:55 AM
Let me guess..

You believe trading up for RG3 is a realistic scenario for this regime?

You think they will throw $30 million at an 80% Peyton with Daboll as the OC?

Or...you would rather take a chance and roll Stanzi out there who never surpassed Palko on the depth chart...until the final 3 weeks?

Those are realistic.

RG3 is going to go for a lower price than pussies want to believe. MIN and STL aren't taking him, I am doubtful on Cleveland. The supposed bidding war that wont happen scares pussies to death.

And if it cost a couple of picks so be it. No QB on the roster means any pick you're going to use is wasted anyway. Without a QB you're going nowhere.

Epic Fail 007
02-17-2012, 08:58 AM
Let me guess..

You believe trading up for RG3 is a realistic scenario for this regime?

You think they will throw $30 million at an 80% Peyton with Daboll as the OC?

Or...you would rather take a chance and roll Stanzi out there who never surpassed Palko on the depth chart...until the final 3 weeks?

Those are realistic.
Well to be fair stanzi did surpass palko.Haley never was going to play him anyway he was to busy ripping apart the season.

Chiefs Pantalones
02-17-2012, 08:58 AM
Orton is better than Cassel, but he's still not the answer. IMO, we should re-sign Orton and trade up to draft RG3. But that's not gonna happen with this front office.

For the people that think it's not possible, look at the Falcons last year. They moved up 21 spots to take Jones. If you want a player, you'll get him. It's not like it's a pipe dream, you just have to be able to give up something obviously.

Dayze
02-17-2012, 08:59 AM
If you want Orton or Cassel you are a pussy. Both players have proven they can't win shit.

Dayze approves of this message.

Hoover
02-17-2012, 09:11 AM
All admit it, I'm pretty excited about this offseason even though I'm not all that excited about our coaching moves. I really think the messed up offseason last year hurt a lot of teams in a number of different ways.

Here is my wish list.

NT: Paul Soliai - NT has been the one missing piece on the defensive side of the ball.

OG: Carl Nicks - OG allows us to use Hudson as our OC and that would create an incredible middle of the line. Chiefs need to spend some money on the line and the addition of Nicks would help our OT play. If we miss out on him or want a cheaper version I'd be fine with Ben Grubbs.

QB: Peyton Manning (if cleared to play) - The only position on this team that is truly messed up in the QB position. Stanzi is a great development player. There is also no free agents that could be targeted to fix that position long term, which is why Cassel will still be here. Manning is a guy who could come in and win a championship if healthy. Sure its risky, but that's why you have a guy like Cassel. Plus we wouldn't be signing Peyton to a long term deal. i actually think the Chiefs would be a great fit. If not Peyton, then Orton should be signed to compete with Cassel and Stanzi.

S: I wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs roll the dice on a guy like LaRon Landry if he is cleared to play. Who knows, with the questions surrounding his achilles we might be able to sign him to a one year deal with incentives.

Outside of the QB position, these are all guys in their late 20's. These are the types of player we need to land to make a run next year and beyond.

Akron's#1ChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 09:23 AM
All admit it, I'm pretty excited about this offseason even though I'm not all that excited about our coaching moves. I really think the messed up offseason last year hurt a lot of teams in a number of different ways.

Here is my wish list.

NT: Paul Soliai - NT has been the one missing piece on the defensive side of the ball.

OG: Carl Nicks - OG allows us to use Hudson as our OC and that would create an incredible middle of the line. Chiefs need to spend some money on the line and the addition of Nicks would help our OT play. If we miss out on him or want a cheaper version I'd be fine with Ben Grubbs.

QB: Peyton Manning (if cleared to play) - The only position on this team that is truly messed up in the QB position. Stanzi is a great development player. There is also no free agents that could be targeted to fix that position long term, which is why Cassel will still be here. Manning is a guy who could come in and win a championship if healthy. Sure its risky, but that's why you have a guy like Cassel. Plus we wouldn't be signing Peyton to a long term deal. i actually think the Chiefs would be a great fit. If not Peyton, then Orton should be signed to compete with Cassel and Stanzi.

S: I wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs roll the dice on a guy like LaRon Landry if he is cleared to play. Who knows, with the questions surrounding his achilles we might be able to sign him to a one year deal with incentives.

Outside of the QB position, these are all guys in their late 20's. These are the types of player we need to land to make a run next year and beyond.
I don't see why we need a Landry type of safety. We just need a depth player. Nicks and Soliai I agree with, as do I with Manning. The only thing I really see outlandish in your post is keeping Cassel if they can land Manning. There is NO WAY they can justify keeping both. It's Manning OR Cassel. Cassel makes more than he deserves to make to be the starter. To pay him that kind of money to sit on the bench is just unacceptable.

The Bad Guy
02-17-2012, 09:52 AM
I don't think Orton leads us anywhere, but he's not Cassel and can throw the ball down the field unlike Palko.

If Orton means no Cassel, then sign me up for Orton.

Chiefnj2
02-17-2012, 10:00 AM
If you bring in Orton you've bought into another 3 years of mediocrity and an excuse not to draft a young QB.

LOCOChief
02-17-2012, 10:04 AM
Orton all the way. What the hell else can we do? I want a franchise QB through the draft as much as anyone but I don't see our guy being there when we pick this year.

Orton is soooo much more than Cassel It's hard to believe this is even being discussed.

FAX
02-17-2012, 10:10 AM
Not sure how important McClain is to this team.
He certainly brought a level of pride and heart to the squad, but I'm not sure how valuable he was on the field.

Well, he chalked up 1 of the 3 touchdowns we scored all season long. I say we have to keep him on account of that alone.

Plus, he can see the future. If he decides to stay rather than retire, that's very encouraging.

FAX

lcarus
02-17-2012, 10:14 AM
If you bring in Orton you've bought into another 3 years of mediocrity and an excuse not to draft a young QB.

I see no reason why we couldn't sign Orton and also draft a young QB. You're right though, the Chiefs probably wouldn't think that way.

Micjones
02-17-2012, 10:18 AM
Well, he chalked up 1 of the 3 touchdowns we scored all season long. I say we have to keep him on account of that alone.

Plus, he can see the future. If he decides to stay rather than retire, that's very encouraging.

FAX

He's almost psychic. He said 5 games.
ROFL

stonedstooge
02-17-2012, 10:20 AM
Can teams trade anymore?

bricks
02-17-2012, 10:24 AM
Orton all the way. What the hell else can we do? I want a franchise QB through the draft as much as anyone but I don't see our guy being there when we pick this year.

Orton is soooo much more than Cassel It's hard to believe this is even being discussed.

Yeah. I can agree with this.

Not that Im a big Kyle Orton fan myself, but in terms of the Chiefs options, he is probably one of the most realistic of them all.

I was just looking at the pool of FA QB's this year and I don't see much out there. Drew Brees will most definately be franchised. Peyton Manning is a risk, but would be great to have if healthy. And even if he hits the market, I don't see the Chiefs outbidding other teams for his services.

Donovan McNabb is done.

Jason Campbell, meh.

Matt Flynn? is an intriguing option. But still a question mark.

And we all know the Chiefs ain't getting a QB in the first round unless they sacrifice pretty much their whole future to get up to the top pick. Which is highly doubtful. I don't see Pioli doing that at all.

*Another realistic option, could be Tannehill? Or, possibly drafting a QB in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds.

jd1020
02-17-2012, 10:25 AM
Its amazing how people think we are going to sign the top CB, NT, G, and QB(if the Colts release him) and a top WR with $51M and still sign depth/draftees.

Okie_Apparition
02-17-2012, 10:37 AM
They've got a couple seasons before Houston, if he still progresses. Will want the moon & stars, soon to be gone

They've got only a 5-10% chance of making the right QB call with the options available

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 12:08 PM
Which Landry are we talking about?

Dawan Landry had a shitty year according to PFF.

personally I think Kendrick Lewis is just fine, we don't need stars at every position. We have money to spend, but I'd still rather spend it elsewhere.
I hate when people say this.

You can NEVER have too many stars. You should always try to have a star at every position because the all the players never work out. Deliberately not trying to field the best player you can at every position you can is the way you end up not being good enough.

Lewis is weak in coverage and weak in run support ... he does a solid job of playing centerfield.

If we can upgrade ANY position for a reasonable cap figure we should do so.

DeezNutz
02-17-2012, 12:27 PM
Most are assuming that Orton is better than Cassel, but we certainly haven't seen a large enough sample size in KC to say that this is true. And their career numbers don't support the Orton is > hypothesis.

Both are average at best.

We need to draft a QB. As much as some have argued that drafting Richardson would "lock us into" a philosophy, the far more damaging move, which many are advocating, would be to sign Orton.

Slippery slope.

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 12:34 PM
Most are assuming that Orton is better than Cassel, but we certainly haven't seen a large enough sample size in KC to say that this is true. And their career numbers don't support the Orton is > hypothesis.

Both are average at best.

We need to draft a QB. As much as some have argued that drafting Richardson would "lock us into" a philosophy, the far more damaging move, which many are advocating, would be to sign Orton.

Slippery slope.
so draft a QB in the 1st round no matter what?

Richardson more damaging than drafting a QB that isn't good enough?

jd1020
02-17-2012, 12:35 PM
so draft a QB in the 1st round no matter what?

Richardson more damaging than drafting a QB that isn't good enough?

You assume he is talking about the 1st round. Stop assuming.

DeezNutz
02-17-2012, 12:36 PM
so draft a QB in the 1st round no matter what?

Richardson more damaging than drafting a QB that isn't good enough?

Nope.

My point is that I'd rather draft Richardson than re-sign Orton, given the history of this franchise and my lack of faith in Pioli.

Micjones
02-17-2012, 12:37 PM
I hate when people say this.

You can NEVER have too many stars. You should always try to have a star at every position because the all the players never work out. Deliberately not trying to field the best player you can at every position you can is the way you end up not being good enough.

Lewis is weak in coverage and weak in run support ... he does a solid job of playing centerfield.

If we can upgrade ANY position for a reasonable cap figure we should do so.

So, we should look to upgrade the Punter position because we can?

Detoxing
02-17-2012, 12:42 PM
So, we should look to upgrade the Punter position because we can?

Ok, way to point out one of two positions that don't require depth.

Good argument there.

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 02:23 PM
You assume he is talking about the 1st round. Stop assuming.
He referred to drafting Richardson which means the 1st round.


start reading

jd1020
02-17-2012, 02:25 PM
He referred to drafting Richardson which means the 1st round.


start reading

He was comparing Richardson vs signing Orton...

Start comprehending.

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 02:25 PM
So, we should look to upgrade the Punter position because we can?

http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2010/07/jump_the_shark1.png

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 02:27 PM
He was comparing Richardson vs signing Orton...

Start comprehending.
we JUST DID draft a QB(stanzi) in the middle rounds so why would he be talking about that?


whatever ... nevermind

jd1020
02-17-2012, 02:30 PM
we JUST DID draft a QB(stanzi) in the middle rounds so why would he be talking about that?

...

Lets place our entire future in the hands of a ****ing 5th round QB!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait to be SB champs soon!!!!!!!!

We shouldn't even be thinking about signing a QB.

We need to follow the Patriots even more. Hoyer was Brady's only back up for 2 years. Who needs anything more than Stanzi? Kids a gamer!

Dayze
02-17-2012, 02:35 PM
It's all part of Pioli's plan.

bring in a FA nobody like Kurt Warner
or
Bring in a washed up qb and give him arguably the best defense of all time like the Ravens.
or,
Bring in a never-was, and give him a top 10 defense of all time like the Buccaneers
or,
Fall ass backwards into a HOF QB.

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 02:36 PM
...

Lets place our entire future in the hands of a ****ing 5th round QB!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait to be SB champs soon!!!!!!!!

We shouldn't even be thinking about signing a QB.

We need to follow the Patriots even more. Hoyer was Brady's only back up for 2 years. Who needs anything more than Stanzi? Kids a gamer!
wow, way to completely change the topic so you can rant like a child.

focus ... focus

never said any of that shit you just spewed about

jd1020
02-17-2012, 02:38 PM
wow, way to completely change the topic so you can rant like a child.

focus ... focus

never said any of that shit you just spewed about

You asked why someone would even think about drafting a QB because we "JUST DID" draft a 5th round QB.

No reason to draft a QB this year. Stanzi has this on lockdown. Dude is 100% gonna be a success.

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 02:45 PM
You asked why someone would even think about drafting a QB because we "JUST DID" draft a 5th round QB.

No reason to draft a QB this year. Stanzi has this on lockdown.
i didn't say that.

once again, at least try to focus enough to remember what you starting bitching about in the first place. The only reason Stanzi was referenced was because you claimed it wasn't about a 1st round QB.

FAX
02-17-2012, 02:46 PM
Wow. This is hard.

I can't even keep track of what we're arguing about.

FAX

jd1020
02-17-2012, 02:48 PM
i didn't say that.

.

we JUST DID draft a QB(stanzi) in the middle rounds so why would he be talking about that?

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 02:48 PM
Wow. This is hard.

I can't even keep track of what we're arguing about.

FAXROFL

jd is determine to argue about something even if he has to keep changing it until he gets to

jd1020
02-17-2012, 02:50 PM
ROFL

jd is determine to argue about something even if he has to keep changing it until he gets to

Nothing is being changed. You just cant even comprehend a children's book.

Dayze
02-17-2012, 02:51 PM
ROFL

jd is determine to argue about something even if he has to keep changing it until he gets to

no he isn't.

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 02:56 PM
no he isn't.do tell

enlighten me then

Dayze
02-17-2012, 02:59 PM
do tell

enlighten me then

I was just being an A-hole :evil:.
while reading the thread I had the Argument Clinic skit form Monty Python in my head. :p

Mr. Laz
02-17-2012, 03:00 PM
I was just being an A-hole :evil:.
while reading the thread I had the Argument Clinic skit form Monty Python in my head. :p:moon:

Sofa King
02-17-2012, 03:03 PM
FAX has a water head.

splatbass
02-17-2012, 06:32 PM
let's clarify, for the dense

believing Kyle Orton is taking the Chiefs to a superbowl = smart

believing Kyle Orton is not taking the Chiefs to a superbowl = dumb




Not what I or anyone else said, dumbass.

The fact is that we aren't going to get a franchise QB that will start right away in the draft, and there isn't a whole lot available in the free agent market either. So REALISTICALLY Orton is the best we are likely to do for 2012. So you can draft a QB, but in the meantime you start the best you can start and surround him with the best players you can and if you can take them all the way you do. YOU DON'T JUST GIVE UP like you have. You do the best you can with what you have.

And under these circumstances Orton CAN take us to the SB. Is he what we want? No. But how many teams have all the players they need? Not many.

Your "a franchise QB or we suck" attitude is for losers, and completely unrealistic.

jd1020
02-17-2012, 06:36 PM
Not what I or anyone else said, dumbass.

The fact is that we aren't going to get a franchise QB that will start right away in the draft, and there isn't a whole lot available in the free agent market either. So REALISTICALLY Orton is the best we are likely to do for 2012. So you can draft a QB, but in the meantime you start the best you can start and surround him with the best players you can and if you can take them all the way you do. YOU DON'T JUST GIVE UP like you have. You do the best you can with what you have.

And under these circumstances Orton CAN take us to the SB. Is he what we want? No. But how many teams have all the players they need? Not many.

Your "a franchise QB or we suck" attitude is for losers, and completely unrealistic.

Orton is only marginally better than Cassel. Cassel is only going to make 5.25M this year. Orton is likely going to sign for 8M/Y to be a starter.

There's no point in signing a stop gap to replace the stop gap for the stop gapping to continue while youngsters develop for a year or 2 while the stop gap's stop gap.

splatbass
02-17-2012, 06:41 PM
Orton is only marginally better than Cassel. Cassel is only going to make 5.25M this year. Orton is likely going to sign for 8M/Y to be a starter.

There's no point in signing a stop gap to replace the stop gap for the stop gapping to continue while youngsters develop for a year or 2 while the stop gap's stop gap.

Who we gonna draft that can start right away? Realistically, not some Luck or RGIII pipe dream. We NEED a stop gap. Orton is a better stop gap than Cassel. I don't see why there is even an argument.

jd1020
02-17-2012, 06:45 PM
Who we gonna draft that can start right away? Realistically, not some Luck or RGIII pipe dream. We NEED a stop gap. Orton is a better stop gap than Cassel. I don't see why there is even an argument.

We already have one...

jspchief
02-17-2012, 07:02 PM
Who we gonna draft that can start right away? Realistically, not some Luck or RGIII pipe dream. We NEED a stop gap. Orton is a better stop gap than Cassel. I don't see why there is even an argument.

Why are we stopping the gap by signing another QB that we don't actually want? So we can be decent? Is that the aspiration? To get back to the Carl Peterson Chiefs that are always good enough to keep us buying in?

For all the shit that Hunt and Peterson get, I read shit like this and realize they were giving some fans exactly what they wanted.

splatbass
02-17-2012, 07:02 PM
We already have one...

But we can have a better one. As I said, this all or nothing attitude is for losers. We can improve at QB while still trying to find a franchise QB. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Only a loser thinks you have to give up if you don't get what exactly you want right away.

splatbass
02-17-2012, 07:03 PM
Why are we stopping the gap by signing another QB that we don't actually want? So we can be decent? Is that the aspiration? To get back to the Carl Peterson Chiefs that are always good enough to keep us buying in?

For all the shit that Hunt and Peterson get, I read shit like this and realize they were giving some fans exactly what they wanted.

See my last post. If you stop trying to improve just because you can't get exactly what you want you are a loser.

jd1020
02-17-2012, 07:04 PM
But we can have a better one. As I said, this all or nothing attitude is for losers. We can improve at QB while still trying to find a franchise QB. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Only a loser thinks you have to give up if you don't get what exactly you want right away.

So are the Chiefs going to cut Cassel if they sign Orton? Nope.

We aren't going to have 4 QBs on the roster.

jspchief
02-17-2012, 07:13 PM
See my last post. If you stop trying to improve just because you can't get exactly what you want you are a loser.

I guess it depends on what you think Orton can be had for.

Personally I think a lot of people around here think he'll come cheap just because we got him off waivers. I don't think that will be the case. He's in the top half of NFL starting QBs. Enough teams are bad enough at the position that he's going to get an ok contract.

Fans may be ok with signing him to 4 years with no plans on using him that long, but the FO won't be.

jd1020
02-17-2012, 07:21 PM
Signing Orton is pretty much saying that Stanzi is THE guy.

Neither Orton or Cassel have a future. However, both Orton and Cassel are good enough to win regular season games with the team they have around them in KC. Which means we are likely never going to be in a position to draft a top ranked college QB in the draft. We are looking at tier 2 this year, next year, the year after that, etc...

People want to say that next year is the year to grab a QB. Same shit was being spewed this year when you were looking at Luck/Barkley/RG3/Jones.

Guess what... Bray and Murray could very well be next years Barkley and Jones.

splatbass
02-17-2012, 07:25 PM
So are the Chiefs going to cut Cassel if they sign Orton? Nope.



And you know this how?

jd1020
02-17-2012, 07:26 PM
And you know this how?

Do I really need to answer that?

RustShack
02-17-2012, 07:34 PM
Lol I love the douches comparing Orton's whole career. Why don't you go by his time where he played in this scheme instead? Since you know, that's what he will be doing here. He was better than Cassel this games here, and his year in Denver with McDaniels running this same offense, he was also better than Cassel.

But yeah, it makes more sense to include his time in Chicago or this year in Denver when he was running a different scheme. Personally to me I don't care how he does in other offenses as long as he runs the one we do just fine.

splatbass
02-17-2012, 07:51 PM
Do I really need to answer that?

YES.