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lcarus
02-17-2012, 02:28 PM
I have worked at an awards shop since 2002. My father is the GM who runs the place, but the owners are a couple of old investors that are hands-off. My job is to design every award that comes through the door, and we do everything from trophies, plaques, glass and acrylic awards, medals, ribbons, t-shirts, hats, custom engravings, you name it. I use two laser engravers and a sublimation printer. I use CorelDraw and Photoshop for everything. A lot of times I have to design artwork for lazy customers who can't get us something usable. I have a very very good record of not screwing things up, which is easy to do.

I started at 8.50 an hour and I now make 13.50. I haven't had a raise in 2 and a half years, and it was a dollar raise. We probably do between 3,000-6,000 dollars per day in business. We only have about 7 employees currently. I was told this past Christmas that the owners weren't giving Christmas bonuses. I usually have gotten like 150 bucks or so every Christmas. We had a pretty good year...

Every time I rarely, politely ask for a raise I'm told by the owners or my father that I should be happy with what I make, and if I want more money I should help the company make more money...should I get the hell outta here?

jspchief
02-17-2012, 02:29 PM
yes

Dartgod
02-17-2012, 02:30 PM
I have worked at an awards shop since 2002. My father is the GM who runs the place, but the owners are a couple of old investors that are hands-off. My job is to design every award that comes through the door, and we do everything from trophies, plaques, glass and acrylic awards, medals, ribbons, t-shirts, hats, custom engravings, you name it. I use two laser engravers and a sublimation printer. I use CorelDraw and Photoshop for everything. A lot of times I have to design artwork for lazy customers who can't get us something usable. I have a very very good record of not screwing things up, which is easy to do.

I started at 8.50 an hour and I now make 13.50. I haven't had a raise in 2 and a half years, and it was a dollar raise. We probably do between 3,000-6,000 dollars per day in business. We only have about 7 employees currently. I was told this past Christmas that the owners weren't giving Christmas bonuses. I usually have gotten like 150 bucks or so every Christmas. We had a pretty good year...

Every time I rarely, politely ask for a raise I'm told by the owners or my father that I should be happy with what I make, and if I want more money I should help the company make more money...should I get the hell outta here?
I would certainly be exploring my options.

Donger
02-17-2012, 02:30 PM
Good God. Eject, eject, eject!

http://www.ejectionsite.com/eyewitness/tbirdejectdownthroatsm1.jpg

AndChiefs
02-17-2012, 02:30 PM
Yes.

suds79
02-17-2012, 02:30 PM
Sounds like you want to leave and you've already answered your question.

If you're unhappy, start looking around.

bevischief
02-17-2012, 02:31 PM
Do you have any education?

lcarus
02-17-2012, 02:33 PM
Do you have any education?

I'm currently taking college classes at night trying to complete my Associates in Fire Science. I was wanting to be a firefighter or something related to the fire protection industry, but now...I just don't know. I'm over halfway done.

I do have over 10 years experience doing what I do, but I just don't know what's out there involving what I've been doing.

Buck
02-17-2012, 02:33 PM
If you can find better money in this economy, then yes.

$13.50/hr is probably pretty good for Tulsa.

The equivalent for Cost of Living in San Diego is $20.17/hr.

pr_capone
02-17-2012, 02:34 PM
It sounds like you and your dad know how to run a place like that and you would probably be better served to break off from the owners and start your own place.

Predarat
02-17-2012, 02:35 PM
Pretty much all American Workers are getting screwed at their job, and not in the good way.

lcarus
02-17-2012, 02:35 PM
It sounds like you and your dad know how to run a place like that and you would probably be better served to break off from the owners and start your own place.

My dad has been wanting to buy the place, but he just has awful awful credit and he only makes about 50-60k himself.

La literatura
02-17-2012, 02:37 PM
Can the business expand? Can you becoming a manager help that expansion? Can you be co-manager with your dad?

gblowfish
02-17-2012, 02:40 PM
Send this company a resume. Its in Independence. It's owned by a guy I used to work for. I left one of his other companies for more money at my current job:

http://www.rpawards.com/

lcarus
02-17-2012, 02:41 PM
Can the business expand? Can you becoming a manager help that expansion? Can you be co-manager with your dad?

I basically manage the place as is. He's not around much, and when he is, he doesn't do anything very often. There is literally no room for growth as far as my position is concerned. I'm good at what I do and it would be hard for him to replace me considering I've been doing all of our customers shit for 10 years.

I really hate the place, and am bored with my job. Really grown complacent and burnt out. But ya know..I got rent, car payment, insurance, food. Stuff I gotta have. I just don't know what options to explore. I'm good with Corel and Photoshop with what we do HERE, but a lot of the stuff we do is pretty simple compared to a lot of "graphic artists".

gblowfish
02-17-2012, 02:41 PM
BTW: Corel Draw? Really? Really???

lcarus
02-17-2012, 02:42 PM
Send this company a resume. Its in Independence. It's owned by a guy I used to work for. I left one of his other companies for more money at my current job:

http://www.rpawards.com/

Cool, thank you. I will. I was looking to move back up to the KC area eventually anyway. Still have a lot of family and friends up there.

Plus....the Chiefs......:shake:

MIAdragon
02-17-2012, 02:42 PM
My dad has been wanting to buy the place, but he just has awful awful credit and he only makes about 50-60k himself.

I cant imagine the startup costs could be all that much, any idea what it would take?

Mr. Flopnuts
02-17-2012, 02:43 PM
So your Dad makes a comfortable living, and you make around half or less than he does after 10 years. Word to the wise, 13.50 today is worth about what 8.50 was 10 years ago. They don't value you. Get the fuck out.

NewChief
02-17-2012, 02:43 PM
If you're doing much design work AT All, you're getting screwed.

KC Tattoo
02-17-2012, 02:44 PM
No Christmas bonus...


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Buck
02-17-2012, 02:44 PM
Have you found out how much employees at other Trophy shops make that have your same position?

lcarus
02-17-2012, 02:45 PM
BTW: Corel Draw? Really? Really???

God...don't even get me started. Such a shit program. Each version has more and more bugs. We're using X5 now and it randomly crashes whenever the hell it feels like it and I can lose files in the blink of an eye. But...it works for a lot of the simple things we do.

gblowfish
02-17-2012, 02:46 PM
Cool, thank you. I will. I was looking to move back up to the KC area eventually anyway. Still have a lot of family and friends up there.

Plus....the Chiefs......:shake:

Yeah, well, don't mention the Christmas Bonus thing. Guy cut mine from $500 to $100 in 2005 and I left three months later.

ReynardMuldrake
02-17-2012, 02:46 PM
I basically manage the place as is. He's not around much, and when he is, he doesn't do anything very often. There is literally no room for growth as far as my position is concerned. I'm good at what I do and it would be hard for him to replace me considering I've been doing all of our customers shit for 10 years.

I really hate the place, and am bored with my job. Really grown complacent and burnt out. But ya know..I got rent, car payment, insurance, food. Stuff I gotta have. I just don't know what options to explore. I'm good with Corel and Photoshop with what we do HERE, but a lot of the stuff we do is pretty simple compared to a lot of "graphic artists".

Dude, you have 10 years of Photoshop & graphic design experience and a rock steady work history. Make a resume and get it out there. Start applying for anything you can find. I guarantee you will find a job you love sooner or later. Don't compromise and work somewhere you hate.

BigMeatballDave
02-17-2012, 02:49 PM
So your Dad makes a comfortable living, and you make around half or less than he does after 10 years. Word to the wise, 13.50 today is worth about what 8.50 was 10 years ago. They don't value you. Get the fuck out.

This.

I make $16/hr. I've been there about a yr. At 6 months I received a favorable performance review, but no increase. If I don't get a raise at 1 yr, I'm looking elsewhere.

R8RFAN
02-17-2012, 02:49 PM
I have worked at an awards shop since 2002. My father is the GM who runs the place, but the owners are a couple of old investors that are hands-off. My job is to design every award that comes through the door, and we do everything from trophies, plaques, glass and acrylic awards, medals, ribbons, t-shirts, hats, custom engravings, you name it. I use two laser engravers and a sublimation printer. I use CorelDraw and Photoshop for everything. A lot of times I have to design artwork for lazy customers who can't get us something usable. I have a very very good record of not screwing things up, which is easy to do.

I started at 8.50 an hour and I now make 13.50. I haven't had a raise in 2 and a half years, and it was a dollar raise. We probably do between 3,000-6,000 dollars per day in business. We only have about 7 employees currently. I was told this past Christmas that the owners weren't giving Christmas bonuses. I usually have gotten like 150 bucks or so every Christmas. We had a pretty good year...

Every time I rarely, politely ask for a raise I'm told by the owners or my father that I should be happy with what I make, and if I want more money I should help the company make more money...should I get the hell outta here?


Hell yea you are getting screwed, tell him a dumb fuck hillbilly truckdriver from NC that works for FEDEX makes over 30 bucks an hour driving... Take your talents elsewhere

listopencil
02-17-2012, 02:51 PM
Dude, you have 10 years of Photoshop & graphic design experience and a rock steady work history. Make a resume and get it out there. Start applying for anything you can find. I guarantee you will find a job you love sooner or later. Don't compromise and work somewhere you hate.


^

BoneKrusher
02-17-2012, 02:52 PM
Sounds like you want to leave and you've already answered your question.

If you're unhappy, start looking around.

this^

LiveSteam
02-17-2012, 02:53 PM
What a bunch of loyal employers you work for

Dayze
02-17-2012, 02:55 PM
yes.

Adios.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2012, 02:57 PM
Find a new Job, Leave and most important profit.

gblowfish
02-17-2012, 03:07 PM
Oh BTW: If you stay and make 20 years, don't be surprised if your 20 year appreciation bonus is a plaque.

That's what I got. Yip-freakin'eee.

Chazno
02-17-2012, 03:10 PM
Oh BTW: If you stay and make 20 years, don't be surprised if your 20 year appreciation bonus is a plaque.

That's what I got. Yip-freakin'eee.

I doubt that would happen, they would need him to design it first.

Bowser
02-17-2012, 03:11 PM
Get out of there. You could be making more at Quicktrip in a relatively short time.

Fish
02-17-2012, 03:21 PM
Sounds like that place isn't really big enough for you and your Dad at the same time. You're doing all the work making his job simple enough that it requires no actual work. Yet you're still getting paid like a peon.

I'd start looking elsewhere. Sounds like you're not getting any respect there, and considering your father is your supervisor, that's a bad position...

lcarus
02-17-2012, 03:23 PM
Oh BTW: If you stay and make 20 years, don't be surprised if your 20 year appreciation bonus is a plaque.

That's what I got. Yip-freakin'eee.

The problem is, a lot of the designing I do is too simple compared to a lot of traditional "graphic design" jobs.

This is probably the most elaborate design I've done in the past couple months. For a big ass cast bronze plaque.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i466/Soda_Popinski/HTomKightbridgecastbronzeplaque2012.jpg

ReynardMuldrake
02-17-2012, 03:27 PM
The problem is, a lot of the designing I do is too simple compared to a lot of traditional "graphic design" jobs.

This is probably the most elaborate design I've done in the past couple months. For a big ass cast bronze plaque.


Doesn't make a bit of difference. Quit selling yourself short. Most hiring managers wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway.

You have 10 years' graphic design experience. That's all companies will want to hear.

Be a salesman. Sell yourself.

lcarus
02-17-2012, 03:29 PM
Oh yeah, something I forgot. About 5 years ago my dad hired this woman to help with the front counter and phones. He hired her on a recommendation from my aunt, who was working the front counter at the time and needed help. He hires her, and she's the flirty type. Married with 3 kids, but eventually she ended up over at my dads house every single night. Eventually, she got her own desk and office where she does nothing but sit and play Farmville. My dad has always stood by "she's just my friend" but everyone knows better. They go take a 2 hour lunch every day, and she gets to leave every day at about 3 oclock. So she makes about the same wages as I do, but does nothing. Occasionally she will write up an order or something and make a big deal about it so it looks like she's worth something.

Yeah, it pisses me off.

Lumpy
02-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Welcome to my world.










(As in getting screwed out of pay raises and such, not the thing you just posted. lol I should really learn to read posts before replying. Heh).

Buddy Rich
02-17-2012, 03:31 PM
Oh yeah, something I forgot. About 5 years ago my dad hired this woman to help with the front counter and phones. He hired her on a recommendation from my aunt, who was working the front counter at the time and needed help. He hires her, and she's the flirty type. Married with 3 kids, but eventually she ended up over at my dads house every single night. Eventually, she got her own desk and office where she does nothing but sit and play Farmville. My dad has always stood by "she's just my friend" but everyone knows better. They go take a 2 hour lunch every day, and she gets to leave every day at about 3 oclock. So she makes about the same wages as I do, but does nothing. Occasionally she will write up an order or something and make a big deal about it so it looks like she's worth something.

Yeah, it pisses me off.

As gross as this sounds, you may have to start banging your dad for more loot.

mikeyis4dcats.
02-17-2012, 03:33 PM
Oh yeah, something I forgot. About 5 years ago my dad hired this woman to help with the front counter and phones. He hired her on a recommendation from my aunt, who was working the front counter at the time and needed help. He hires her, and she's the flirty type. Married with 3 kids, but eventually she ended up over at my dads house every single night. Eventually, she got her own desk and office where she does nothing but sit and play Farmville. My dad has always stood by "she's just my friend" but everyone knows better. They go take a 2 hour lunch every day, and she gets to leave every day at about 3 oclock. So she makes about the same wages as I do, but does nothing. Occasionally she will write up an order or something and make a big deal about it so it looks like she's worth something.

Yeah, it pisses me off.

so your dad is fucking you and her?

damaticous
02-17-2012, 03:36 PM
Wow! That sounds exactly like my situation 8 years ago. Worked for a mom n pop IT shop. No benefits what so ever....even money for gas when I had to make numerous house calls.

when asked about getting a raise they said I'd have to help bring more business in. I did but still when I asked they would say that I should be happy with what I have.

After 7 years of working there I decided to start looking around for a different place. 8 years later I'm making almost 3 times what I was at this company.

Start looking my friend. The very least is if you get offered a job for more money you can ask your current employeer to counter offer. In my instance they said no, thankfully.

Bowser
02-17-2012, 03:38 PM
Oh yeah, something I forgot. About 5 years ago my dad hired this woman to help with the front counter and phones. He hired her on a recommendation from my aunt, who was working the front counter at the time and needed help. He hires her, and she's the flirty type. Married with 3 kids, but eventually she ended up over at my dads house every single night. Eventually, she got her own desk and office where she does nothing but sit and play Farmville. My dad has always stood by "she's just my friend" but everyone knows better. They go take a 2 hour lunch every day, and she gets to leave every day at about 3 oclock. So she makes about the same wages as I do, but does nothing. Occasionally she will write up an order or something and make a big deal about it so it looks like she's worth something.

Yeah, it pisses me off.

Yeah, get the fuck out of there.

FAX
02-17-2012, 03:41 PM
I'm sorry to say this being as how it's your father and all, but you should find a better job, Mr. lcarus.

$150 dollar Xmas bonus? That's not good, man. I know receptionists who get $1500 Christmas bonuses. You've been misled, my friend. And taken advantage of. By your own blood, too. Stand tall, take your keyboard in one hand, your balls in the other, and tell them to find somebody else to do all that stuff you do for that kind of money. Then, strike out on your own and start a new life.

FAX

durtyrute
02-17-2012, 03:43 PM
yes

Rain Man
02-17-2012, 03:44 PM
You've averaged a 5.2% per year raise, so they're not screwing you. You're just in a low-wage job. Maybe you could make more money at another company with the same job, which would be great, but even a big boost would put you at maybe $20. If you want to make significantly more you probably should consider switching careers.

mikeyis4dcats.
02-17-2012, 03:53 PM
You've averaged a 5.2% per year raise, so they're not screwing you. You're just in a low-wage job. Maybe you could make more money at another company with the same job, which would be great, but even a big boost would put you at maybe $20. If you want to make significantly more you probably should consider switching careers.

yeah, to be fair, it's not like he's in a real high stakes industry. He does a job and make steady profit I'm sure, but in professions like mine where I can post a net profit of $160k+ on a project in 6 months or less that's where you see compensation accordingly.

lcarus
02-17-2012, 03:54 PM
You've averaged a 5.2% per year raise, so they're not screwing you. You're just in a low-wage job. Maybe you could make more money at another company with the same job, which would be great, but even a big boost would put you at maybe $20. If you want to make significantly more you probably should consider switching careers.

You are right, but I feel like I'm entitled to at least a couple dollars per hour more. I do a lot for the company. I often work on weekends, work late, deliver product to customers, fix our laser engravers. The problem is, the company is run so poorly and inefficiently, we aren't making a ton of profit. For instance, we pay a woman 30k a year almost to sit around and play Farmville.

That said, there are some perks to this job. If I'm engraving a big order, I can watch Netflix or play an NES emulator at my desk. I would get a lot of flexibility as far as hours and days off, IF I wasn't needed. So it isn't an entirely grim picture, but as a whole, I really am tired of the way things are going here, plus I'm having a tough time as I'm single and living on my own with a car payment and all that stuff.

mikeyis4dcats.
02-17-2012, 03:55 PM
You are right, but I feel like I'm entitled to at least a couple dollars per hour more. I do a lot for the company. I often work on weekends, work late, deliver product to customers, fix our laser engravers. The problem is, the company is run so poorly and inefficiently, we aren't making a ton of profit. For instance, we pay a woman 30k a year almost to sit around and play Farmville.

That said, there are some perks to this job. If I'm engraving a big order, I can watch Netflix or play an NES emulator at my desk. I would get a lot of flexibility as far as hours and days off, IF I wasn't needed. So it isn't an entirely grim picture, but as a whole, I really am tired of the way things are going here, plus I'm having a tough time as I'm single and living on my own with a car payment and all that stuff.

are you paid hourly or salary?

lcarus
02-17-2012, 03:57 PM
are you paid hourly or salary?

Hourly. I do get some OT, but a lot of times I come up there and do stuff off the clock, which I don't mind too much. I just feel like I should be appreciated a bit more. In the form of a raise, however minute it may be.

mikeyis4dcats.
02-17-2012, 04:04 PM
Hourly. I do get some OT, but a lot of times I come up there and do stuff off the clock, which I don't mind too much. I just feel like I should be appreciated a bit more. In the form of a raise, however minute it may be.

oh, I get that....but you have to temper somewhat in today's economy. Just becuase you have'nt kept up year to year doesn't mean you can realistically expect to make it all up in one year. You need to make your concerns known, and if they value you, they will work on making it right.

I got a $10k raise and a $10k project bonus last year by letting the mgmt here know I was underpaid and needed to catch up. It didn't make it perfect, but it's a start.

evolve27
02-17-2012, 04:10 PM
Yes u are getting fucked. Leave that job and work for yourself

DRU
02-17-2012, 04:15 PM
I'd get on www.odesk.com and www.elance.com as a designer. There are all sorts of people on there looking for designers to create website layouts, advertising material, etc. for them. You can set your own rate and let people find you, or you can actively search for the jobs that people are posting for design work.

As others have said, you're selling yourself short. 10 years experience working on Photoshop means you know how to use it when most people don't. Simple as that. There will always be more to learn, but you can do that while working on new projects.

I can pretty much guarantee you that you'd be making a heck of a lot more working on your own as a sub-contractor than you are based on what you've said here. I wouldn't just quit the job and start it immediately, but get yourself on those platforms, get a couple of side jobs, and I'd bet you'll quickly feel a lot more comfortable telling them to screw off.

Then, who knows, they'll probably realize how much they need you at that point and fight to keep you.

Reerun_KC
02-17-2012, 04:17 PM
So your Dad makes a comfortable living, and you make around half or less than he does after 10 years. Word to the wise, 13.50 today is worth about what 8.50 was 10 years ago. They don't value you. Get the **** out.

When did 50-60K become a comfortable living?

BigMeatballDave
02-17-2012, 04:20 PM
When did 50-60K become a comfortable living?

Depends on how many kids you have. I have one. If I made 60k I would be living very comfortably.

Bearcat
02-17-2012, 04:26 PM
When did 50-60K become a comfortable living?

It is for KC (per person, anyway), and I assume it would be for Tulsa, too.

Stewie
02-17-2012, 04:27 PM
And I posted about rip-off oil changes. Sheesh! It's worse than I thought.

R8RFAN
02-17-2012, 04:35 PM
When did 50-60K become a comfortable living?

Plenty of money

oldman
02-17-2012, 04:36 PM
I don't know what the cost of living is in Tulsa, but $13.50 isn't much. I'd tell you to take your talents elsewhere, but consider that a lot of employers want to see a piece of paper to go along with your experience. Better have something else lined up before you tell them to take this job and shove it.

whoman69
02-17-2012, 04:46 PM
Pretty much all American Workers are getting screwed at their job, and not in the good way.

You mean there's no casual sex Friday?

lcarus
02-17-2012, 04:53 PM
I don't know what the cost of living is in Tulsa, but $13.50 isn't much. I'd tell you to take your talents elsewhere, but consider that a lot of employers want to see a piece of paper to go along with your experience. Better have something else lined up before you tell them to take this job and shove it.

Yes I agree and it's my fault for taking this crap job for so long. I just need to motivate myself to find something else. Hell, I've been telling myself I am going to try my hand as a standup comic for a long time now. :rolleyes:

Mr. Flopnuts
02-17-2012, 05:10 PM
When did 50-60K become a comfortable living?

It's garbage living in Seattle. Tulsa on the other hand? It's enough for home ownership.

AndChiefs
02-17-2012, 05:15 PM
It's garbage living in Seattle. Tulsa on the other hand? It's enough for home ownership.

It's okay here...certainly not living the high life at that wage.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-17-2012, 05:18 PM
It's okay here...certainly not living the high life at that wage.

Fuck no. That's drinking namebbrand soda pop, and doing better than PB&J every single day for the kids. The important part is home ownership.

scho63
02-17-2012, 05:31 PM
I'm currently taking college classes at night trying to complete my Associates in Fire Science. I was wanting to be a firefighter or something related to the fire protection industry, but now...I just don't know. I'm over halfway done.

I do have over 10 years experience doing what I do, but I just don't know what's out there involving what I've been doing.

Screwed would be putting it mildly.

You could easily do free lance work for tech companies or your self doing design work for websites and graphic ads. EASILY make $25-50 per hour. Use Craigllist or many of the freelance boards

Also you need to learn Flash and other higher end programs

htismaqe
02-17-2012, 05:33 PM
In general, the answer to "Am I getting screwed at my job?" is pretty much always an emphatic "yes".

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-17-2012, 05:39 PM
Plenty of money

If spent wisely :D Bein debt free, yes it is.

R8RFAN
02-17-2012, 05:49 PM
If spent wisely :D Bein debt free, yes it is.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Phobia
02-17-2012, 06:09 PM
The more money you make for the man, the more money he's willing to pay you. If "the man" is going to lose money by letting you move on then maybe he'll be happy to throw you some more. But yeah, working for your old man isn't always the best idea. If he's not willing to go to bat for you, who will?

Iowanian
02-17-2012, 06:11 PM
If you really know that much about the business, product, supply, marketing et al, go out on your own. That'll fix em.

If you've got a good skill set you can at least do a little job hunting to see what the market IS for your skills, and then determine if you should go or stay.

I'm trying my ass off to hire qualified people for 2 positions right now, and can't seem to find solid employees who can get very far away from girlfriends and other bullshit. I'd like to see someone who wants a job actually demonstrate that to me and they'll be working monday for quite a bit higher than going rate for that job position across the state.

Baconeater
02-17-2012, 06:26 PM
You're only worth what it would cost to replace you.

Valiant
02-17-2012, 06:44 PM
Lol. Yes was probably posted a lot.

If you love doing it but hate it there start up your own by find an investor.
How can a place have that many employes geting paid?

Everyone is fucking you there. Start looking. Tell them to fire the girl and/or yourdad.. sunds like they don't do shit. Hell tell them to give you the 30k and can both, business would get 60k more profitable.

Or, as people have said, that much experience and do most of the work. Give them their options. Steal sme clientele. No loyality to people that take advantage of you.

But line stuff up first.

Gadzooks
02-17-2012, 06:46 PM
You're only worth what it would cost to replace you.

and seldom paid accordingly...

Valiant
02-17-2012, 06:48 PM
You're only worth what it would cost to replace you.

Cost and work he does. They have to find someone to replace his abilities andknow the programs.

If they become dicks before you leave. Password the programs and delete all your designs. Document the times you worked off the clock.

demonhero
02-17-2012, 06:48 PM
U answered the question.... better job opportunity is out there waiting for you.

Gadzooks
02-17-2012, 06:54 PM
lcarus, It seems to me you've got to think about how you can better your standing at work by bringing in more money,etc.. or think about what you would have to do to leave and be successful.
If you're comfortable - stop bitching
Otherwise, get a plan, get off your ass and make it happen.

ghak99
02-17-2012, 07:46 PM
I'm trying my ass off to hire qualified people for 2 positions right now, and can't seem to find solid employees who can get very far away from girlfriends and other bullshit. I'd like to see someone who wants a job actually demonstrate that to me and they'll be working monday for quite a bit higher than going rate for that job position across the state.

In this job market I would think the ball would be rolling all over the employers court. What is the job? Does it not pay high enough to pull in the more motivated workers?

Easy 6
02-17-2012, 07:56 PM
yes

That was going to be my reply without reading a word.

Then to find out they wont even give a small Christmas bonus? those guys need a visit from a Beastly, BULGING man like Cousin Eddie.

ghak99
02-17-2012, 07:59 PM
Sounds like you're in a bad spot Lcarus. I've always thought working, or doing business in general, with family was a bad idea. If you step up and let it all out, you're calling your father out and cock blocking him all at the same time. I'm guessing there would be repercussions for doing so, even though you're in the right.

The way the job market is right now I wouldn't dump and run without a plan, but I would definitely be putting myself out there and testing the waters. If you hit something you want, turn your two weeks in and either demand your worth or wash your hand of the situation.

HonestChieffan
02-17-2012, 09:08 PM
It sounds like you and your dad know how to run a place like that and you would probably be better served to break off from the owners and start your own place.

Right here.

FAX
02-17-2012, 09:51 PM
I think Mr. pr_capone has the right idea.

It's hard to think about a father running a sweat shop with his own children as laborers. If the owners are the problem, start your own place. Do either you or your father have a non-compete agreement in force with the owners? If not, tell them this ain't China and you ain't Chung Fo Cheap. Then start a business, make a couple rocks, score a model, and see the world.

FAX

Fairplay
02-18-2012, 01:56 AM
Management would crap their pants if you said this is my last week and i have another job. They would try to dig out of you why and for how much. I wouldn't tell them the name of the (fake of course) company. As they might call it and double check your story first.
Having your resume on the desk and clearing out your desk would be a nice touch.

I'm thinking they might give you a couple buck raise anyway.

Fairplay
02-18-2012, 02:06 AM
BTW: Corel Draw? Really? Really???



Heh, yeah i thought that also.

btlook1
02-18-2012, 03:12 AM
Sounds like starting your own place could be a good thing...make sure you print the customer list out and take it with you....get going and contact every past customer they had. That could help you out quite a bit.

el borracho
02-18-2012, 07:08 AM
God...don't even get me started. Such a shit program. Each version has more and more bugs. We're using X5 now and it randomly crashes whenever the hell it feels like it and I can lose files in the blink of an eye. But...it works for a lot of the simple things we do.

I gather that is not a very good program? One thing you can do is perhaps purchase a better/more marketable program and start using that at your current job. This will accomplish two things: 1) You will increase your skills and marketability so that when you do apply to other jobs, you will be up-to-speed on a valid program and 2) You may have more leverage for a raise with your current company.

gblowfish
02-18-2012, 09:25 AM
If not, tell them this ain't China and you ain't Chung Fo Cheap. FAX

Hey! I have a Taiwanese vendor named Chung Fo Cheap. Small world!

Deberg_1990
02-18-2012, 10:01 AM
Just quit, stay home and collect your $1200 a month. it's the American Way!

Mr. Kotter
02-18-2012, 10:46 AM
I haven't read the whole thread, but....

If you are not actively looking for work elsewhere, I'd start with that. Once you get a nice lead or two, or better...and offer, I'd use that as leverage to tell your current employer to "take this job and shove it."

Management would crap their pants if you said this is my last week and i have another job. They would try to dig out of you why and for how much. I wouldn't tell them the name of the (fake of course) company. As they might call it and double check your story first.
Having your resume on the desk and clearing out your desk would be a nice touch.

I'm thinking they might give you a couple buck raise anyway.

Basically, THIS.

Mr. Kotter
02-18-2012, 10:53 AM
I've now skimmed the thread. GTFO. Now. :shake:

Holy crap...you can find something if you try. Guaranteed.

gblowfish
02-18-2012, 11:24 AM
Yellow pages list five different trophy companies in Tulsa. If you don't have a non-disclosure or non-compete claus in your employment agreement, talk to your competitors and see if they'll make you an offer. Lots of times they'll want you, not only for experience, but for your client book. If you can bring them enough business to pay your salary, then it's a win win.

http://www.superpages.com/yellowpages/C-Trophy+Shops/S-OK/T-Tulsa/

lcarus
02-20-2012, 10:37 AM
I looked it up, and it says my position average salary is $15 an hour. Starting pay...nice to know lol

trndobrd
02-20-2012, 10:45 AM
Don't limit yourself to trophy shops. There are lots of places someone with creativity and decent Corel and Photoshop skills would be useful. Print shops, advertising agencies, newspapers, magazines, etc.

tooge
02-20-2012, 11:09 AM
we haven't given our staff raises on about two years either. As a business owner, it isn't always about "were doing well as a business". You may do 3-6K per day as a business, but depending on the overhead, if the company isn't growing, but rather just the same as the last two years, then giving a raise to you is taking money right out of the owners pocket. I never understand where the staff at my office thinks raise money comes from. It doesn't grow on trees. If the office revenue didn't grow, and I give raises, then my take home goes down. Yeah, that seems fair.

lcarus
02-20-2012, 11:31 AM
we haven't given our staff raises on about two years either. As a business owner, it isn't always about "were doing well as a business". You may do 3-6K per day as a business, but depending on the overhead, if the company isn't growing, but rather just the same as the last two years, then giving a raise to you is taking money right out of the owners pocket. I never understand where the staff at my office thinks raise money comes from. It doesn't grow on trees. If the office revenue didn't grow, and I give raises, then my take home goes down. Yeah, that seems fair.

You are correct. This place isn't profiting enough. I think it's just keeping its head above water actually. However that isn't my fault. I do everything there as far as the actual work that comes through the door, and we do a lot of work. I am very efficient with my work. It's really easy to screw up product when you're engraving a lot of various text. We SHOULD be making a lot of profit, but like I said, it's run inefficiently. We have people on the payroll that don't contribute nearly enough, if anything. There's no management from my dad. Sorry dad, but you just aren't cutting it lol.

The point is, I think it's time to put myself out there and see what happens. I've grown complacent. Burnt out. Sick of the problems every day with orders not getting written up right, or scheduled improperly. Lost orders. It's just a nightmare a lot of times. Which is a shame. It could be a great place to work. 10 years is a long time. Started here when I was 18.

I'd like to get my own house someday. Even if it's a crappy house. Maybe....maybe...start a family. I don't know. I know people have done that on less than what I make, but I should at least check out what opportunities are around.

tooge
02-20-2012, 11:37 AM
I'd certainly put yourself out there. Being at a place for 10 years and being only 28 years old makes you a pretty attractive hire as long as you have a skill that the employer is looking for.

NewChief
02-20-2012, 12:09 PM
we haven't given our staff raises on about two years either. As a business owner, it isn't always about "were doing well as a business". You may do 3-6K per day as a business, but depending on the overhead, if the company isn't growing, but rather just the same as the last two years, then giving a raise to you is taking money right out of the owners pocket. I never understand where the staff at my office thinks raise money comes from. It doesn't grow on trees. If the office revenue didn't grow, and I give raises, then my take home goes down. Yeah, that seems fair.

Yeah, my wife got a 20% pay cut recently (though they've already bumped back 10% after a few months). The economy is tough, and if the company can't provide raises, they can't. But the OP needs to go ahead and put himself out there and try to find something better.

lcarus
02-20-2012, 01:03 PM
I'd certainly put yourself out there. Being at a place for 10 years and being only 28 years old makes you a pretty attractive hire as long as you have a skill that the employer is looking for.

I'm just unsure how my skills here will translate to somewhere else, barring another awards place. I don't really want to work at another awards place tbh. Between a rock and a hard place?

tooge
02-20-2012, 01:05 PM
you can obviously use those devices you mentioned. Is that the only thing they are used for? Perhaps looking into a graphic design type job or school?

lcarus
07-02-2012, 12:57 PM
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.

Ace Gunner
07-02-2012, 01:02 PM
Get two more minimum wage jobs. Should work out fine.

BigMeatballDave
07-02-2012, 01:03 PM
I'd be looking elsewhere.

Saulbadguy
07-02-2012, 01:05 PM
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.

Sounds like you have an external locus of control.

Sofa King
07-02-2012, 01:05 PM
Tell him you're out.

Deberg_1990
07-02-2012, 01:07 PM
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.

Have you ever sat down with your Father and expressed these thoughts to him?

El Jefe
07-02-2012, 01:08 PM
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.

Lame. It's time you need to move on brother (IMO).

Bowser
07-02-2012, 01:09 PM
You really need to be actively searching for something else. It's lean out there right now, but don't let that stop you from checking out other possibilities.

ChiTown
07-02-2012, 01:10 PM
$13.50/hr?

If you are willing to work hard (physical labor), you can make +$20/hr in North Dakota in the Bakken oil shale. Those guys are screaming for labor up there. Probably not a strong market for engravers, but definitely a place for guys who are willing to bust their asses in the oil field.

Bowser
07-02-2012, 01:10 PM
Have you ever sat down with your Father and expressed these thoughts to him?

And this. He is your dad. Talk to him off the clock, or something.

sedated
07-02-2012, 01:10 PM
That's quite a punch in the face. Something I would expect from big companies, but not your own blood.

lcarus
07-02-2012, 01:11 PM
Have you ever sat down with your Father and expressed these thoughts to him?

Yeah, he just says "This guy I brought in to help this place. He's gonna help us in a lot of areas. I wish I would have hired him years ago."

So I really can't do or say anything until I find a new job. I have bills and debt I have to pay, and no bankroll currently to get me by while I search for something else. If I had some money stashed away, I'd just drop this place like a hot potato and tell my asshole dad I want nothing to do with him. Unfortunately, I'm between a rock and a hard place. I'm looking though...

Pestilence
07-02-2012, 01:12 PM
Take this as a push to go find a different job.

mikeyis4dcats.
07-02-2012, 01:13 PM
Sorry to hear that Icky....unfortunately a lot of family business is that way. Definitely, RUN.

lcarus
07-02-2012, 01:14 PM
Take this as a push to go find a different job.

Yeah. I need to quit bitching and being upset and just find something else. That's all it really boils down to. Don't worry though, Inmem58, you're still gonna get your trophy. :thumb:

Fish
07-02-2012, 01:22 PM
Get the fuck outta there pronto.

Garcia Bronco
07-02-2012, 01:30 PM
I have worked at an awards shop since 2002. My father is the GM who runs the place, but the owners are a couple of old investors that are hands-off. My job is to design every award that comes through the door, and we do everything from trophies, plaques, glass and acrylic awards, medals, ribbons, t-shirts, hats, custom engravings, you name it. I use two laser engravers and a sublimation printer. I use CorelDraw and Photoshop for everything. A lot of times I have to design artwork for lazy customers who can't get us something usable. I have a very very good record of not screwing things up, which is easy to do.

I started at 8.50 an hour and I now make 13.50. I haven't had a raise in 2 and a half years, and it was a dollar raise. We probably do between 3,000-6,000 dollars per day in business. We only have about 7 employees currently. I was told this past Christmas that the owners weren't giving Christmas bonuses. I usually have gotten like 150 bucks or so every Christmas. We had a pretty good year...

Every time I rarely, politely ask for a raise I'm told by the owners or my father that I should be happy with what I make, and if I want more money I should help the company make more money...should I get the hell outta here?

No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.

ChiTown
07-02-2012, 01:31 PM
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.

/thread over

Bowser
07-02-2012, 01:32 PM
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.

Why didn't I think of this? Heh.

lcarus
07-02-2012, 01:38 PM
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.

I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.

Cave Johnson
07-02-2012, 02:00 PM
Oh yeah, something I forgot. About 5 years ago my dad hired this woman to help with the front counter and phones. He hired her on a recommendation from my aunt, who was working the front counter at the time and needed help. He hires her, and she's the flirty type. Married with 3 kids, but eventually she ended up over at my dads house every single night. Eventually, she got her own desk and office where she does nothing but sit and play Farmville. My dad has always stood by "she's just my friend" but everyone knows better. They go take a 2 hour lunch every day, and she gets to leave every day at about 3 oclock. So she makes about the same wages as I do, but does nothing. Occasionally she will write up an order or something and make a big deal about it so it looks like she's worth something.

Yeah, it pisses me off.

In light of the above and the assistant manager hire, I'd absolutely take gblowfish's suggestion and begin discussions with competitors regarding taking your book of business elsewhere. Your dad's a giant a-hole.

Consider it as severance.

lcarus
07-02-2012, 02:09 PM
In light of the above and the assistant manager hire, I'd absolutely take gblowfish's suggestion and begin discussions with competitors regarding taking your book of business elsewhere. Your dad's a giant a-hole.

Consider it as severance.

Yeah now he's trying to be all nice because he knows he shafted me.

gblowfish
07-02-2012, 02:10 PM
I would say that your dad has decided to invest in a spooge dumpster, and that's not a service that you would want to offer anyway -unless you're from a seriously F'ed up family.

Get gone, do anything else. You'll be happier.

JASONSAUTO
07-02-2012, 02:13 PM
I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.

I had almost no credit when I bought the shop, never had a loan prior in my life. It CAN be done.
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Cave Johnson
07-02-2012, 02:13 PM
Yeah now he's trying to be all nice because he knows he shafted me.

I'm inferring that you were the de facto assistant manager, and he hired someone for the position formally without consulting you or giving you the opportunity to develop any missing skills.

Burn that bridge like the River Kwai.

JASONSAUTO
07-02-2012, 02:13 PM
And knowing what you need and having a business plan is a great start
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JASONSAUTO
07-02-2012, 02:15 PM
Find a banker you like and go ask about federal small business loans
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ghak99
07-02-2012, 03:22 PM
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.

I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.

I'd take your knowledge/experience to the nearest small business friendly bank and throw it at them. I bet if you lay out the business model and do a little digging on small business start up loans you might be surprised at what is out there. There is no way to know where you stand until you try... The worst they'll say is no.

Keep an eye out for "investors" who might be looking for a small side business too. You never know what opportunities are out there until you start looking for them.

The sooner you gtfo of there, the sooner you'll be out from under that rock and on your way to where you want to be.

kepp
07-02-2012, 03:51 PM
I had almost no credit when I bought the shop, never had a loan prior in my life. It CAN be done.
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And there has to be tons of federal aid programs for helping to start small businesses now-a-days. You can protect yourself from personal financial losses by setting the business up right, can't you?

JASONSAUTO
07-02-2012, 04:04 PM
And there has to be tons of federal aid programs for helping to start small businesses now-a-days. You can protect yourself from personal financial losses by setting the business up right, can't you?

Yep. Takes a little longer and has some red tape. hell they even take half the risk off the bank iirc.
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Iowanian
07-02-2012, 04:06 PM
If your own father doesn't think you're ready for the job, maybe you need to step back and look at yourself as the issue.

Maybe...just maybe you're not as prepared for that job as you think you are in your own mind.

If not, then you need to just move on to keep the family relationship.

BigMeatballDave
07-02-2012, 04:09 PM
If your own father doesn't think you're ready for the job, maybe you need to step back and look at yourself as the issue.

Maybe...just maybe you're not as prepared for that job as you think you are in your own mind.

If not, then you need to just move on to keep the family relationship.

Considering the time he's put in, I'd say his dad is just a raging douchebag.

Bwana
07-02-2012, 04:10 PM
Yeah now he's trying to be all nice because he knows he shafted me.

"Being nice," isn't going to pay your bills, buy you shiny things, or build your retirement. Start your job hunt yesterday and get the hell out of Dodge, once you have something lined up.

Valiant
07-02-2012, 04:27 PM
I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.

Check with a nearby city and see what bonus they give to start a business. Some will give free rent and utilities.

Go to a competitor, bring your clients with you.

Go to a contracting compay, sprint contractors make 16 starting out. There are tons of jobs out there if you look.

Once you find one, I would just quit with the way you describe it. Just go in, get all your belongings, put them in the car, then say dad, got a new job this is my last day, I can work. Sometimes when I am free.

He will probably be in shock/angry why you didn't give him more and either fire or ask you about it. Then you can explain being overlooked for raises for what you do/ surprise highering of a boss over you without consideration.

lcarus
07-02-2012, 04:28 PM
If your own father doesn't think you're ready for the job, maybe you need to step back and look at yourself as the issue.

Maybe...just maybe you're not as prepared for that job as you think you are in your own mind.

If not, then you need to just move on to keep the family relationship.

The issue is, he just treats me like a big kid. What he doesn't understand though - the other workers there respect me because I've put in the time and I've gone above and beyond the call of duty time and time again. So I can actually tell people what to do and they'll listen. The only problem is, I have my own duties that keep me busy pretty much all day. So I can't manage anything. He could have hired someone else to help with my job and it would have allowed me more time to step back and take on some other duties. But oh well...

Phobia
07-02-2012, 04:38 PM
Your dad doesn't respect you and he's probably right. Because rather than confronting the source and handling it like a man, you're running it past a bunch of random strangers on the internet. He's probably reading this right now laughing his ass off at your pathetic posts. I'll bet your brother is in on it as well. He probably wants you to go find a better job.

oldman
07-02-2012, 04:59 PM
There's a lot of good advice here, including to look inward and see if there is some reason you didn't get that job.
But back to you. There was money to hire another person, so why wasn't some of it passed on to you? If your dad is taking advantage of you because you are his son, that doesn't pay the bills. Keep your professional and personal life separate and move along. I don't know what kind of demand there is for your skills, but $13.50 isn't much for any job. If you can't find anything local that you can apply your talent to, then maybe it's time to move to a bigger city.

Buehler445
07-02-2012, 05:04 PM
Seriously, if you want to roll around in cash, do what Radar said and go to North Dakota. You will get flat paid. A buddy of mine went up there to work at Walmart and got better than $20 an hour and his housing paid for.

And if you don't want to work for an oil company go work for a farmer. All their help left for the oil field.

Bwana
07-02-2012, 05:55 PM
Seriously, if you want to roll around in cash, do what Radar said and go to North Dakota. You will get flat paid. A buddy of mine went up there to work at Walmart and got better than $20 an hour and his housing paid for.

And if you don't want to work for an oil company go work for a farmer. All their help left for the oil field.

Yeah, there is a lot of money to be made, if you can stand living in shitweed ND.