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Chocolate Hog
02-19-2012, 01:09 AM
Santorum says Obama agenda not "based on Bible"


http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-says-obama-agenda-not-based-bible-011457960.html


COLUMBUS, Ohio (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum challenged President Barack Obama's Christian beliefs on Saturday, saying White House policies were motivated by a "different theology."

A devout Roman Catholic who has risen to the top of Republican polls in recent days, Santorum said the Obama administration had failed to prevent gas prices rising and was using "political science" in the debate about climate change.
Obama's agenda is "not about you. It's not about your quality of life. It's not about your jobs. It's about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology," Santorum told supporters of the conservative Tea Party movement at a Columbus hotel.

When asked about the statement at a news conference later, Santorum said, "If the president says he's a Christian, he's a Christian."
But Santorum did not back down from the assertion that Obama's values run against those of Christianity.

"He is imposing his values on the Christian church. He can categorize those values anyway he wants. I'm not going to," Santorum told reporters.
A social conservative, Santorum is increasingly seen as a champion for evangelical Christians in fights with Democrats over contraception and gay marriage.

"This is just the latest low in a Republican primary campaign that has been fueled by distortions, ugliness, and searing pessimism and negativity - a stark contrast with the President who is focused everyday on creating jobs and restoring economic security for the middle class," said Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt.
The campaign's response signaled a new respect for Santorum. Until this week, the Obama campaign appeared exclusively focused on Mitt Romney. Republicans are waging a state-by-state contest to pick a candidate to challenge Obama in November's election.
At a campaign appearance in Florida last month, Santorum declined to correct a voter who called Obama, a Christian, an "avowed Muslim."

Santorum told CNN after that incident, "I don't feel it's my obligation every time someone says something I don't agree with to contradict them, and the president's a big boy, he can defend himself."


QUESTIONS ROMNEY RECORD ON OLYMPICS
On Saturday, Santorum also took aim at Romney, his main Republican rival, on one of the central accomplishments of his resume, saying the former Massachusetts governor's rescue of the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics required millions of dollars in handouts from the federal government.
The attack was a response to the Romney camp trying to portray Santorum as a proponent of big government because of his use of earmarks while he served in the U.S. Senate.

"He heroically bailed out the Salt Lake City Olympic Games by heroically going to Congress and asking them for tens of millions of dollars to bail out the Salt Lake Olympic Games - in an earmark," Santorum said.

"One of his strongest supporters, John McCain called it potentially the worst boondoggle in earmark history. And now Governor Romney is suggesting, 'Oh, Rick Santorum earmarked,' as he requested almost half a billion dollars of earmarks as governor of Massachusetts to his federal congressmen and senators. Does the word hypocrisy come to mind?" Santorum said.

Romney often talks of how he turned around the struggling Olympics organization and is appearing in Utah on Saturday to mark the anniversary of the Olympics.
In a statement, the Romney campaign said Santorum was in a weak position to challenge its candidate on big spending.

"Sometimes when you shoot from the hip, you end up shooting yourself in the foot. There is a pretty wide gulf between seeking money for post-9/11 security at the Olympics and seeking earmarks for polar bear exhibits at the Pittsburgh Zoo. Mitt Romney wants to ban earmarks, Senator Santorum wants more 'Bridges to Nowhere,'" said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-19-2012, 01:22 AM
I would lay a challenge to Santorums' Christian beliefs, he can't even interpret the Bible correctly himself.

Pioli Zombie
02-19-2012, 06:25 AM
Ecellent point KC, many Christians view Catholicism as from the Devil. But to a lot of conservative Christians, their real God is politics. They'll talk more about politics than they will Jesus.

go bowe
02-19-2012, 01:48 PM
i wonder, would jesus run for re-election? :shrug:

DementedLogic
02-19-2012, 01:56 PM
Santorum claims the Declaration of Independence was written based on Judeo-Christian beliefs when Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.

Bowser
02-19-2012, 01:59 PM
Santorum is a fear mongering idiot. "He doesn't believe in God like Americans should! Vote for me!" GTFO.

Wonder what he'll say when he's asked about that whole pesky "seperation of church and state" thingy.

go bowe
02-19-2012, 02:07 PM
Santorum claims the Declaration of Independence was written based on Judeo-Christian beliefs when Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.

deist, smee-est, what's the difference?

we all know he was a republican...

go bowe
02-19-2012, 02:09 PM
Santorum is a fear mongering idiot. "He doesn't believe in God like Americans should! Vote for me!" GTFO.

Wonder what he'll say when he's asked about that whole pesky "seperation of church and state" thingy.

it's what led to the downfall of civilization, right after abortion birth control and gays...

not to worry they can all be legislated away...

DementedLogic
02-19-2012, 02:12 PM
deist, smee-est, what's the difference?

we all know he was a republican...

He would be embarassed by the current Republican Party.

SNR
02-19-2012, 03:02 PM
deist, smee-est, what's the difference?

we all know he was a republican...Technically he was a Democrat-Republican.

HEAD SPINNING

stevieray
02-19-2012, 03:03 PM
Santorum claims the Declaration of Independence was written based on Judeo-Christian beliefs when Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.


It written on the principals. What it is based on and who wrote it aren't relevant to each other.

DementedLogic
02-19-2012, 03:33 PM
It written on the principals. What it is based on and who wrote it aren't relevant to each other.

It was written on principles that happened to be shared with Judeo-Christian principles as well as a lot of other religions. Based on your logic, you could say that it was written on Buddhist principles.

Bewbies
02-19-2012, 04:38 PM
It was written on principles that happened to be shared with Judeo-Christian principles as well as a lot of other religions. Based on your logic, you could say that it was written on Buddhist principles.

Ok.

La literatura
02-19-2012, 05:20 PM
The Declaration of Independence was not based upon Judeo-Christian principals. That is not to say that America doesn't have a foundation of Judeo-Christian principals; it does, but you won't find that in the Declaration. The opening clauses of the Declaration of Independence, rather, are based upon principals of classical liberalism that were mostly developed during the Enlightenment era. Those who read the Declaration of Independence as proclaiming or reaffirming some grand theological vision do so because they want to read that, not because they're being honest about the document.

WilliamTheIrish
02-19-2012, 06:00 PM
Santorum just makes me laugh.

go bowe
02-19-2012, 06:36 PM
laugh or cry or laugh so hard i cry, it's all the same with rick...

after all, gays can choose to stop being gay and get married so they don't need any special rights...

like serving in the military, they don't deserve any special rights to serve openly, don't ask don't tell should be reinstated, or just throw the queers out altogether since they are bad for discipline and good order of the military...

i mean, who wants to take a shower with a gay guy and risk getting ass-raped in front of your buddies?

rick is looking out for our best interests, really...

Chocolate Hog
02-19-2012, 06:38 PM
laugh or cry or laugh so hard i cry, it's all the same with rick...

after all, gays can choose to stop being gay and get married so they don't need any special rights...

like serving in the military, they don't deserve any special rights to serve openly, don't ask don't tell should be reinstated, or just throw the queers out altogether since they are bad for discipline and good order of the military...

i mean, who wants to take a shower with a gay guy and risk getting ass-raped in front of your buddies?

rick is looking out for our best interests, really...

Don't forget if the gays would become straight and get married the economy would improve.

go bowe
02-19-2012, 06:51 PM
Don't forget if the gays would become straight and get married the economy would improve.

i think they spend more money at the club when they're still single and promiscuous...

i know i did...

stevieray
02-19-2012, 09:22 PM
It was written on principles that happened to be shared with Judeo-Christian principles as well as a lot of other religions. Based on your logic, you could say that it was written on Buddhist principles.

Hardly...besides... you are avoiding your original point that because TJ was a deist, the claim is false...just like the claim you put forth in this post.

now you claim it was written with shared principles of other religions, while before, it wasn't...quite the conundrum.

your logic, not mine, claims to include Buddhist principles. Buddha was a mere man.

God ,created, Creator, Supreme Judge, Divine Providence all reinforce the point presented.

La literatura
02-19-2012, 10:16 PM
Much more Deist principals than Judeo-Christian principals.

God, Creator, Supreme Judge, Divine Providence. That is also in Islamic theology, but the Declaration of Independence could not seriously be said to be an Islamic document. Well, there is this person: http://www.submission.ws/terrorism-and-jihad-striving/the-declaration-of-independence-and-islam-submission.html

listopencil
02-19-2012, 10:22 PM
Santorum claims the Declaration of Independence was written based on Judeo-Christian beliefs when Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.

It doesn't really matter. It's a moot "point". Our country was built upon the Constitution, not the Declaration.

Bump
02-19-2012, 10:22 PM
both books are irrelevant and obsolete now anyways

La literatura
02-19-2012, 10:32 PM
It doesn't really matter. It's a moot "point". Our country was built upon the Constitution, not the Declaration.

Legally, yes. Culturally, or socially, or psychologically, or philosophically, though, the Declaration is a primary foundation of our country.

DementedLogic
02-20-2012, 02:04 AM
Hardly...besides... you are avoiding your original point that because TJ was a deist, the claim is false...just like the claim you put forth in this post.

now you claim it was written with shared principles of other religions, while before, it wasn't...quite the conundrum.

your logic, not mine, claims to include Buddhist principles. Buddha was a mere man.

God ,created, Creator, Supreme Judge, Divine Providence all reinforce the point presented.

My point was that the principles that the Declaration are written on, can be found in many religions. That doesn't mean that it was based on a certain religion's principles. The author didn't believe in organized religion, so he wasn't going to write the Declaration on a certain's religions values. He wrote it based on an idealology. I only brought it up, because Frothy referenced the Declaration of Independence as evidence that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

stevieray
02-20-2012, 12:16 PM
I only brought it up, because Frothy referenced the Declaration of Independence as evidence that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

it's not a coincidence that the first 123 out of 126 schools were Christian.
...nor is the verse from Leviticus on the Liberty Bell.
...or that Ben and Tom's original seal depicted the Exodus from Egypt.



that said.....carry on. America has served it's purpose.

La literatura
02-20-2012, 12:37 PM
it's not a coincidence that the first 123 out of 126 schools were Christian.
...nor is the verse from Leviticus on the Liberty Bell.
...or that Ben and Tom's original seal depicted the Exodus from Egypt.



that said.....carry on. America has served it's purpose.

Those examples are all much better showcases of how Judeo-Christian images, principals, stories, and traditions were a part of early American history, than the Declaration of Independence.

The founders, and several generations after, were also deeply influenced by classical Greek and Roman principals, traditions, and images.

go bowe
02-20-2012, 01:55 PM
Those examples are all much better showcases of how Judeo-Christian images, principals, stories, and traditions were a part of early American history, than the Declaration of Independence.

The founders, and several generations after, were also deeply influenced by classical Greek and Roman principals, traditions, and images.

i dunno, i think my principals were influenced by satan...

cosmo20002
02-20-2012, 01:59 PM
My point was that the principles that the Declaration are written on, can be found in many religions. That doesn't mean that it was based on a certain religion's principles. The author didn't believe in organized religion, so he wasn't going to write the Declaration on a certain's religions values. He wrote it based on an idealology. I only brought it up, because Frothy referenced the Declaration of Independence as evidence that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

What it was "founded on" is pretty irrelevant. They wrote a Constitution, and if they intended for the country to be governed by the Bible, or the Constitution to be interpreted through the Bible, then they could have quite easily have stated so.

Despite generic references to God or a creator in founding documents, the lack of reference to Jesus or any particular religion seems to be fairly relevant.

Chiefshrink
02-20-2012, 02:42 PM
i wonder, would jesus run for re-election? :shrug:

Well hell he already is go bowe!!! OJesus made this proclamation last week.LMAO

DementedLogic
02-20-2012, 02:48 PM
What it was "founded on" is pretty irrelevant. They wrote a Constitution, and if they intended for the country to be governed by the Bible, or the Constitution to be interpreted through the Bible, then they could have quite easily have stated so.

Despite generic references to God or a creator in founding documents, the lack of reference to Jesus or any particular religion seems to be fairly relevant.

I agree with you. I'm tired of social conservatives trying to force Christianity on everyone because supposedly our country was founded Judeo-Christian principles. That isn't true. Rick Santorum is the epitome of a social conservative.

CoMoChief
02-20-2012, 04:26 PM
Our founders wrote the constitution based on common law.

There is a lot of philosophy in common law that originates from christian teachings.

stevieray
02-20-2012, 05:01 PM
What it was "founded on" is pretty irrelevant.

:spock:

.....silly.

stevieray
02-20-2012, 05:06 PM
I agree with you. I'm tired of social conservatives trying to force Christianity on everyone because supposedly our country was founded Judeo-Christian principles. That isn't true. Rick Santorum is the epitome of a social conservative.


nobody is forcing anything on you, you just choose not to believe it.

listopencil
02-20-2012, 05:24 PM
Legally, yes. Culturally, or socially, or psychologically, or philosophically, though, the Declaration is a primary foundation of our country.

No, it's not. Not in any way.

La literatura
02-20-2012, 07:08 PM
No, it's not. Not in any way.

You're being ridiculous. Of course it is. The Declaration of Independence is the single document that sums up what the "Spirit of '76" was all about. And what that spirit's legacy was, was a tremendously important issue after the Revolution ended, and America was independent, and we trudged through the Articles of Confederation, to the Constitution's framing, debate, and ratification, to the first presidencies in the early Republic.

Legally, you're right; it's not a legal document. There's more to this country than legal documents, though.