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Buck
02-23-2012, 12:22 AM
Whoa, wtf, I just saw this on reddit.

This is Not safe for work, and also its gory. If you somehow don't already know, its a clip of a man getting shot in the head via some kind of rifle, not sure. I'm going to go study up on it.

So anyway, just as the street sign gets into view, he must have been shot in the back or something because you can see him leaning over in pain and his wife comforting him. And then shortly after he is shot in the head.

I know this might not be your thing, but of all the times I've seen the Zapruder film, I've never been able to tell what happened, until just now.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments/q1w6a/graphic_stabilized_and_zoomed_footage_of_the/

tmw4h5
02-23-2012, 12:24 AM
Yeah, watched that exact video in a PoliSci course.

JFK's brains were all over the place.

BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE SHOOOOOOTER.

cdcox
02-23-2012, 12:25 AM
OMG Rome fell!

ChiefsCountry
02-23-2012, 12:39 AM
Hunt family were not fans of JFK and now its Chiefs related.
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pr_capone
02-23-2012, 02:24 AM
Feel just awful for Jackie. There is just no way she was anywhere near the same person after that experience.

That said... those shots were impressive. The kill shot comes within 6 inches from Jackie's face and was a moving target. DAMN.

big nasty kcnut
02-23-2012, 06:48 AM
because there was more then one shooter from that angle it look like someone shot him ahead of him.

BigMeatballDave
02-23-2012, 07:46 AM
Yeah, watched that exact video in a PoliSci course.

JFK's brains were all over the place.

BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE SHOOOOOOTER.

Yes. One shooter.

Where do you think the head shot came from?

BigMeatballDave
02-23-2012, 07:49 AM
because there was more then one shooter from that angle it look like someone shot him ahead of him.

I used to believe there was a 2nd shooter in front.

That's just not true. A bullet entering the front of the skull would blow out the back.

The front blew out. Where did the bullet enter?

PRIEST
02-23-2012, 07:50 AM
WOW what a sad day for America

mikeyis4dcats.
02-23-2012, 08:17 AM
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but what IS the explanation for why he acts choked up, grabs his necktie area, while Jackie and Connelly both turn and reach to him, seconds before the head shot?

cdcox
02-23-2012, 08:26 AM
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but what IS the explanation for why he acts choked up, grabs his necktie area, while Jackie and Connelly both turn and reach to him, seconds before the head shot?

The most parsimonious explanation is that JFK's and Connelly's reactions were to being hit by the same bullet. If you look at Connelly's reaction in the frames just coming from behind the sign, he is clearly suffering trauma. Jackie is reacting to the fact her husband has been shot.

Dartgod
02-23-2012, 08:28 AM
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but what IS the explanation for why he acts choked up, grabs his necktie area, while Jackie and Connelly both turn and reach to him, seconds before the head shot?

He was shot twice. The first shot exited his throat.

tooge
02-23-2012, 08:30 AM
We've landed on the moon!

mikeyis4dcats.
02-23-2012, 08:31 AM
He was shot twice. The first shot exited his throat.

doh! Totally forgot that.

LiveSteam
02-23-2012, 08:36 AM
He was shot twice. The first shot exited his throat.

this
exited his throat. Then entered the Governor. If i remember right? It hit the Governor's wrist then entered his gov body.

tooge
02-23-2012, 08:36 AM
Oswald received the highest marks for a shooter in the marines. Anyone worth their salt could knock two shots out in a few seconds at a target essentially moving away from them. I used to think it was a conspiracy, but I saw it debunked when a guy shot basically the same rifle in a test at the same distance and got three shots off in undr 9 seconds on target. Now, was the CIA in on it? who knows. But I doubt there was another shooter.

J Diddy
02-23-2012, 08:39 AM
Oswald received the highest marks for a shooter in the marines. Anyone worth their salt could knock two shots out in a few seconds at a target essentially moving away from them. I used to think it was a conspiracy, but I saw it debunked when a guy shot basically the same rifle in a test at the same distance and got three shots off in undr 9 seconds on target. Now, was the CIA in on it? who knows. But I doubt there was another shooter.

I remember some show on either the history channel or discovery channel that proved every thing that happened was possible. That was pretty much the end of my conspiracy theory.

stonedstooge
02-23-2012, 08:41 AM
One of the last studies done was on the brain matter spray after the fatal shot. I finally have become convinced there was only one shooter after the multiple tests and simulations they have done on the shooting. Now if they could only figure out where all the shots came from when RFK was killed

LiveSteam
02-23-2012, 08:44 AM
Oswald received the highest marks for a shooter in the marines. Anyone worth their salt could knock two shots out in a few seconds at a target essentially moving away from them. I used to think it was a conspiracy, but I saw it debunked when a guy shot basically the same rifle in a test at the same distance and got three shots off in undr 9 seconds on target. Now, was the CIA in on it? who knows. But I doubt there was another shooter.

I seen that to. For me it put to rest the questions I had about the Italian 6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38. Not the most accurate rifle for taking out a president.

InChiefsHell
02-23-2012, 08:58 AM
Remember the JFK movie with Kevin Costner? Shit...by the time that movie was over, there were like 12 different organizations in on the plot.

I haven't seen the good de-bunkings. I recall there was a documentary that was released with the JFK movie that was in support of all the stuff the movie showed, including the fact that it was impossible to make that shot with that gun. Interesting that that has been debunked as well.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-23-2012, 09:00 AM
Yes. One shooter.

Where do you think the head shot came from?

The Grassy Knoll.

J Diddy
02-23-2012, 09:03 AM
One of the last studies done was on the brain matter spray after the fatal shot. I finally have become convinced there was only one shooter after the multiple tests and simulations they have done on the shooting. Now if they could only figure out where all the shots came from when RFK was killed

I think it was colonel mustard in the library with a candlestick.

tooge
02-23-2012, 09:06 AM
Remember the JFK movie with Kevin Costner? Shit...by the time that movie was over, there were like 12 different organizations in on the plot.

I haven't seen the good de-bunkings. I recall there was a documentary that was released with the JFK movie that was in support of all the stuff the movie showed, including the fact that it was impossible to make that shot with that gun. Interesting that that has been debunked as well.

yeah, the other think that was debunked was the "magic bullet theory". They fail to mention in the movie JFK, that the Gov was sitting in a seat that was about 4 or 5 inches lower than JFKs seat and it wasn't directly in front of JFK either. So the bullet didn't have to "stop, change direction in mid air" at all.

J Diddy
02-23-2012, 09:07 AM
Remember the JFK movie with Kevin Costner? Shit...by the time that movie was over, there were like 12 different organizations in on the plot.

I haven't seen the good de-bunkings. I recall there was a documentary that was released with the JFK movie that was in support of all the stuff the movie showed, including the fact that it was impossible to make that shot with that gun. Interesting that that has been debunked as well.


If you have an interest and the time the unsolved mystery show is up on youtube. It pretty much sold the deal to me.

Frazod
02-23-2012, 09:08 AM
I thought this was fully explained in the opening of Watchmen.

suds79
02-23-2012, 09:09 AM
Think someone posted this thought in the Chinese girl run over by a bus video but why do we post videos of people dying all the time here?

I know. I know. "Nobody is making you watch it." And you're right. I don't.

I just don't get why this stuff is posted and why people would choose to watch it? I'll pass.

InChiefsHell
02-23-2012, 09:45 AM
If you have an interest and the time the unsolved mystery show is up on youtube. It pretty much sold the deal to me.

I can't find it. All I see is RFK stuff...what did you search on?

InChiefsHell
02-23-2012, 09:46 AM
Think someone posted this thought in the Chinese girl run over by a bus video but why do we post videos of people dying all the time here?

I know. I know. "Nobody is making you watch it." And you're right. I don't.

I just don't get why this stuff is posted and why people would choose to watch it? I'll pass.

In this case, it's more than watching someone die. It's a serious bone of contention that people are fascinated with. I understand what you mean though, and I try to stay away from "death vids" as much as possible, but this one is much more than some simple fascination with watching death.

Frazod
02-23-2012, 09:49 AM
FTR, this didn't really seem any more "high quality" than the footage they showed in JFK. I thought that it would be perhaps CGI enhanced or something.

InChiefsHell
02-23-2012, 09:50 AM
FTR, this didn't really seem any more "high quality" than the footage they showed in JFK. I thought that it would be perhaps CGI enhanced or something.

it seems a little less grainy especially since it's zoomed in.

Demonpenz
02-23-2012, 10:54 AM
You know how when you are riding a jet ski and water shoots out the back you go forward? On JFK's head blood and brain go out the front and his head goes back.

La literatura
02-23-2012, 11:01 AM
WOW what a sad day for America

No kidding.

The day was covered in an early episode in the 4th season of Mad Men to a great reception, but I don't think it came close to capturing the sadness a lot of people felt.

listopencil
02-23-2012, 11:46 AM
This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

J Diddy
02-23-2012, 11:49 AM
I can't find it. All I see is RFK stuff...what did you search on?


Kind of hidden. Here's a link. It's broken up into sections. Each section is listed on the right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRk-WulFu3k

scho63
02-23-2012, 11:50 AM
Oswald received the highest marks for a shooter in the marines. Anyone worth their salt could knock two shots out in a few seconds at a target essentially moving away from them. I used to think it was a conspiracy, but I saw it debunked when a guy shot basically the same rifle in a test at the same distance and got three shots off in undr 9 seconds on target. Now, was the CIA in on it? who knows. But I doubt there was another shooter.

I lean much more towards a combo of Castro/Russia and the Mafia

This is VERY long but the relationship of all these people and their ties together are far beyond "just a coincidence"

http://ajweberman.com/noduleX29-JACK%20RUBY.htm

InChiefsHell
02-23-2012, 03:27 PM
Kind of hidden. Here's a link. It's broken up into sections. Each section is listed on the right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRk-WulFu3k

Thanks man, I watched it and I agree.

Chocolate Hog
02-23-2012, 03:39 PM
Would he have lived after just the first shot?

otherstar
02-23-2012, 03:59 PM
Would he have lived after just the first shot?

Probably. He might not have been able to talk since it went though his throat, but it is possible.

BTW, this site (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm) is probably the best site I've seen for debunking the conspiracies.

Frazod
02-23-2012, 04:02 PM
Would he have lived after just the first shot?

I wouldn't like his chances, especially that long ago. He would have likely choked to death on his own blood.

BigMeatballDave
02-23-2012, 04:49 PM
The Grassy Knoll.

Ok lol

FAX
02-23-2012, 05:33 PM
The JFK assassination is a fascinating event. Not to mention very sad. We, in Amerika, shouldn't go around disposing of Presidents by shooting them. That's what voting booths and funky, fat mistresses are for.

As for the conspiracy theories, there are significant questions surrounding the event ... far too many to deal with on a post ... or a thread even. One interesting report involved a Dallas policeman and a supervisor who worked at the school book depository. They claimed to have seen Oswald in the depository break room only scant minutes after the shots were fired ... only minutes ... scant ones. In addition, two ladies who worked at the depository testified that they went up the access stairwell after the shooting and did not encounter Oswald coming down. If all that's true, and there's no reason to believe it isn't, there was no possible way that Oswald could shoot the President, stash the gun, make his way down six floors, and be seen in the break room in that short amount of time. Not possible. The police officer also testified that Oswald did not seem out-of-breath or agitated in any way. It raises questions.

It goes on and on. My main beef with the deal is the way the investigation(s) were handled ... very shoddy by any reasonable standard of measure. Not only did they misplace, lose, and violate evidence, they then sealed what records there were. The American public deserves better than that. We may know more in 2017, though, which is when the balance of the evidence is to be unsealed.

We should also remember that the House Select Committee On Assassinations found that it was "probable" that four shots were fired ... not three. The committee also found that it was "probable" that the third shot did come from the grassy knoll, but missed.

Regrettably, I continue to believe that there's far more to this deal than we know ... or will ever know.

FAX

Frankie
02-23-2012, 05:37 PM
I lean much more towards a combo of Castro/Russia and the Mafia

This is VERY long but the relationship of all these people and their ties together are far beyond "just a coincidence"

Castro kicked the Mafia and their casinos OUT of Cuba. In fact the Mafia earlier had helped the CIA plot an (unsuccessfully) carry out an assassination attempt against him. While I think the Mafia had the most incentive to kill JFK, I doubt Castro had much to do with it.

oldman
02-23-2012, 06:02 PM
I was a young lad when this happened and believed (as we all did) everything the Feds told us. But when you look at it as an adult, there's no way that could have been done by a marginal marine with a marginal rifle. Nope, that was a hit from the good fellas from Chicago and Miami.

scho63
02-23-2012, 06:47 PM
Castro kicked the Mafia and their casinos OUT of Cuba. In fact the Mafia earlier had helped the CIA plot an (unsuccessfully) carry out an assassination attempt against him. While I think the Mafia had the most incentive to kill JFK, I doubt Castro had much to do with it.

It is widely believed that Santo Trafficante. organized crime boss in Miami who our government tried to pay to help kill Castro, double crossed our government and told Castro about the plots in the hope he would let the mob have their casinos back. Castro survived an estimate 5-6 attempts on his life, including an exploding cigar and poisoned food.

Lee Harvey Oswald was heavily involved with Cuba matters as a pro-Castro promoter. He also has heavy ties with Russia

FAX
02-23-2012, 07:08 PM
It is widely believed that Santo Trafficante. organized crime boss in Miami who our government tried to pay to help kill Castro, double crossed our government and told Castro about the plots in the hope he would let the mob have their casinos back. Castro survived an estimate 5-6 attempts on his life, including an exploding cigar and poisoned food.

Lee Harvey Oswald was heavily involved with Cuba matters as a pro-Castro promoter. He also has heavy ties with Russia

The Oswald/Cuba connection is extremely strange. There is evidence (and some if fairly reasonable) that Oswald was being run by the FBI out of a New Orleans office. Apparently, there were several ex-military recruits who were performing the same or similar tasks. It sounds crazy, but the FBI and the CIA were doing a lot of crazy things going on back in those days ... some far more insane than this. Like, for example, giving troops LSD without their knowledge or experimenting with poisons on entire groups of innocent citizens or infiltrating the civil rights movement. Bizarre stuff.

Anyhow, there exists gobs of information from a variety of sources suggesting that Oswald was some kind of weird double-agent, double-naught spy who was supposed to create a reputation for being a communist sympathizer on behalf of the "government".

Jim Garrison uncovered a ton of that sort of stuff. It seems to me that one of the obvious problems with his investigation was that, as the entire deal unfolded, the story became so complex and complicated and strange that nobody could believe it was possible. In my opinion, Oliver Stone is a fruitcake. But after researching Garrison, he strikes me as an honest, straight, stand-up dude, though. So, who knows?

FAX

KC Tattoo
02-23-2012, 07:52 PM
It's all been debunked ~ mid air mind you~ There had to be a second spitter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

Buck
02-23-2012, 08:03 PM
No kidding.

The day was covered in an early episode in the 4th season of Mad Men to a great reception, but I don't think it came close to capturing the sadness a lot of people felt.

2nd to last episode of season 3 and I wasn't alive when this happened, but that episode made me feel like I was there and I was actually sad by the end of it.

I'm gonna rewatch that episode tonight.

Tombstone RJ
02-23-2012, 08:10 PM
Whoa, wtf, I just saw this on reddit.

This is Not safe for work, and also its gory. If you somehow don't already know, its a clip of a man getting shot in the head via some kind of rifle, not sure. I'm going to go study up on it.

So anyway, just as the street sign gets into view, he must have been shot in the back or something because you can see him leaning over in pain and his wife comforting him. And then shortly after he is shot in the head.

I know this might not be your thing, but of all the times I've seen the Zapruder film, I've never been able to tell what happened, until just now.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments/q1w6a/graphic_stabilized_and_zoomed_footage_of_the/

I have a hard time believing it was one shooter who as way, way far away with a relatively crappy rifle that did those two shots. The first shot would probably have killed him as he's slumping over and 1/2 way dead before Jackie can even say "what's wrong honey?" Then the second shot just blows half his skull off.

InChiefsHell
02-23-2012, 08:17 PM
I have a hard time believing it was one shooter who as way, way far away with a relatively crappy rifle that did those two shots. The first shot would probably have killed him as he's slumping over and 1/2 way dead before Jackie can even say "what's wrong honey?" Then the second shot just blows half his skull off.
It's been proven possible, fwiw. Check out the Youtube vid referenced on page 2.

stonedstooge
02-23-2012, 08:21 PM
History channel, Discovery and others have all done specials on certain aspects of the assassination and all of them come back to the same conclusion that Oswald was the man. I believed in conspiracy for many years, but have finally concluded that it was a lone man

Alvin
02-23-2012, 08:36 PM
This past weekend there was a show on Dish, can't tell you what channel/netowrk, about the assassination of Kennedy. The basis of the show was about the missing 3rd bullet. Based on all the movies that were taken by different people there is a plausible definition about the timing of the bullets. The original train of thought was that the first bullet hit Kennedy, the second hit Connely and the third bullet was the kill shot. Based on the explanation by the guy on the show the first shot hit one of the traffic lights. The second shot hit Kennedy and Connely. They did some recreation using like vehicles with the seats positioned as they were in '63. The shot could have hit both men. The third shot was explained to have gone in the back of the head, they commented on the exit being proven in the video as well as validated in later years using a cadaver. They went to great lengths to discredit the 'grassy knoll' shot that so many conspiracy theories have eluded to.

My thoughts are that Oswald did all of the shooting but was involved in a grand plot to make sure that he wasn't around to talk. Jack Ruby was given the assignment to kill Oswald and conveniently died before too much could be gotten out of him.

I've read stories that some felt Johnson was behind the murder, some felt it was the mafia and some even thought J. Edgar Hoover was a participant.

The Warren Commission has always been a topic of conversation regarding the validity of it's report. I would wonder if they were all part of the coverup?

Search for "What happened to the third bullet"

Tombstone RJ
02-23-2012, 08:56 PM
It's been proven possible, fwiw. Check out the Youtube vid referenced on page 2.

that video makes some good points but it still leaves questions. The rifle failed 23% of the time thus validating it was unreliable. The shooter in the video had multiple shots to dial in the final laser shots. I mean, by the time of the laser, he had lots of attempts. Also, the guy in the video is a shooting expert. He's very good at what he does. As for Oswald, he was in a high pressure situation, he had no practice and let's assume he was a "good" shot, and nothing more. IMHO, he would have had to be way more "lucky" than good to kill the president the way the Warren commission says it happened.

Is it possible is all lined up perfectly for Oswald, sure. However common sense tells me that 99 times out of 100 Oswald fails in that assination attempt with all the variables--his experience, his nerves, the reliability of the weapon & the timing of the shots.

FAX
02-23-2012, 09:00 PM
To me, when the House Select Committee On Assassinations stated in their official report that it was both "probable" that a fourth shot was fired as well as "probable" that there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll, that says a lot. I mean, the last thing those guys wanted to do was sustain the conspiracy movement. To get a "probable" out of them speaks volumes.

FAX

MOhillbilly
02-23-2012, 09:00 PM
Texas isn't average

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:10 PM
They've proven Oswald fired 3 shots over 11 seconds. He was the only shooter and he was crazy. Its over. Give it up.

Alvin
02-23-2012, 09:13 PM
They've proven Oswald fired 3 shots over 11 seconds. He was the only shooter and he was crazy. Its over. Give it up.

The 11.+ seconds is what they were talking about in the show I saw. I still think there was more to it than the one man theory.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:21 PM
The 11.+ seconds is what they were talking about in the show I saw. I still think there was more to it than the one man theory.

There really isn't. They've even found where the first bullet went, why the casing was where it was relative to the two others, and why it took as long as it did.

DA_T_84
02-23-2012, 09:26 PM
One of the most intriguing things I remember from a class I took was the following:

The second shot came from a sewer, or storm drain as some call it.

There is a spot on the road, in front of and to the right of the President's vehicle. The sewer was under a normal, unpainted curb.

The day prior to the shooting, the curb above the sewer was painted yellow, as in, No Parking. The width of the yellow curb was just along the sewer. Now, normally, the entire curb, for the stretch of a long section, is painted yellow when there's No Parking. This was not the case in this instance.


That's the most I remember about that. I'm gonna do some digging...

DA_T_84
02-23-2012, 09:28 PM
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Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:29 PM
One of the most intriguing things I remember from a class I took was the following:

The second shot came from a sewer, or storm drain as some call it.

There is a spot on the road, in front of and to the right of the President's vehicle. The sewer was under a normal, unpainted curb.

The day prior to the shooting, the curb above the sewer was painted yellow, as in, No Parking. The width of the yellow curb was just along the sewer. Now, normally, the entire curb, for the stretch of a long section, is painted yellow when there's No Parking. This was not the case in this instance.


That's the most I remember about that. I'm gonna do some digging...

No shot came from the sewer.

Alvin
02-23-2012, 09:33 PM
There really isn't. They've even found where the first bullet went, why the casing was where it was relative to the two others, and why it took as long as it did.

I'm just saying there was one shooter and the possibility, or probability, that there was much more to it than we all will ever know.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:41 PM
I'm just saying there was one shooter and the possibility, or probability, that there was much more to it than we all will ever know.

Maybe, but it's unlikely IMO.

DA_T_84
02-23-2012, 09:41 PM
No shot came from the sewer.

Thank you for your interesting and insightful post.

The information you provided is digested, and I now will change my thinking on this matter.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:44 PM
I have a hard time believing it was one shooter who as way, way far away with a relatively crappy rifle that did those two shots. The first shot would probably have killed him as he's slumping over and 1/2 way dead before Jackie can even say "what's wrong honey?" Then the second shot just blows half his skull off.

Just for clarification; he missed the first shot hitting a traffic signal.

Brock
02-23-2012, 09:47 PM
Just for clarification; he missed the first shot hitting a traffic signal.

No, that never happened.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:47 PM
Thank you for your interesting and insightful post.

The information you provided is digested, and I now will change my thinking on this matter.

Its impossible based on the digitally enhanced video of the Z film. Impossible that the shot came from below or from the front on the knoll. Its over. Oswald did this as a shooter all on his own.

Brock
02-23-2012, 09:48 PM
Well, thank god, the mystery is solved.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:50 PM
No, that never happened.

They proved it Landers. They even have film before the shooting and after showing the new bullet hole in the traffic signal. This was released within the last year.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:51 PM
Well, thank god, the mystery is solved.

Indeed.

FAX
02-23-2012, 09:52 PM
I'd like to believe it was Oswald and Oswald alone who did this. It makes things a lot simpler and gives me one less thing about which to be cynical. I have learned, however, never to underestimate just how nefarious the federal government can be. Frankly, I don't trust those bastards any further than Tebow can throw a spiral.

When in doubt, it's best to assume those corrupt bastards are lying.

FAX

Brock
02-23-2012, 09:54 PM
They proved it Landers. They even have film before the shooting and after showing the new bullet hole in the traffic signal. This was released within the last year.

Hey, guess what? No they didn't. You don't seem to understand what the word "prove" means.

Tombstone RJ
02-23-2012, 09:54 PM
Just for clarification; he missed the first shot hitting a traffic signal.

I meant the first shot that hit the president. It could have been the 10th shot fired, but I was talking about the one that struck the president in the neck, then he slumps over. The next shot is the head shot.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 09:59 PM
Hey, guess what? No they didn't. You don't seem to understand what the word "prove" means.

Yeah...they did. Sorry. After he missed the first shot, he had to move to catch the President from behind. That's why the first casing is so far away from the other two.

Brock
02-23-2012, 10:01 PM
Yeah...they did. Sorry. After he missed the first shot, he had to move to catch the President from behind. That's why the first casing is so far away from the other two.

No....they didn't. Sorry. If they proved it, it would be accepted as a fact. It isn't. At this point, it isn't considered anything but a postulated theory with little to no evidence.

J Diddy
02-23-2012, 10:04 PM
One of the most intriguing things I remember from a class I took was the following:

The second shot came from a sewer, or storm drain as some call it.

There is a spot on the road, in front of and to the right of the President's vehicle. The sewer was under a normal, unpainted curb.

The day prior to the shooting, the curb above the sewer was painted yellow, as in, No Parking. The width of the yellow curb was just along the sewer. Now, normally, the entire curb, for the stretch of a long section, is painted yellow when there's No Parking. This was not the case in this instance.


That's the most I remember about that. I'm gonna do some digging...

What class were you taking that went into the specifications of curb paint on a sewer drain?

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 10:11 PM
no evidence.

Except for the bullet hole in the sign and the guy that got knicked by the bullet and the enhanced footage showing the motion of Kennedy after the second and third bullet. Give it up.

Brock
02-23-2012, 10:14 PM
Except for the bullet hole in the sign and the guy that got knicked by the bullet and the enhanced footage showing the motion of Kennedy after the second and third bullet. Give it up.

"Give it up" LMAO You idiot. Learn how facts are determined.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 10:18 PM
"Give it up" LMAO You idiot. Learn how facts are determined.

Okay Boogie Nights.

Brock
02-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Okay Boogie Nights.

Whatever that means.

J Diddy
02-23-2012, 10:28 PM
Whatever that means.
I think he has you confuse with Dirk Digler.

Garcia Bronco
02-23-2012, 10:37 PM
I think he has you confuse with Dirk Digler.

His username used to be Brock Landers.

Brock
02-23-2012, 10:43 PM
His username used to be Brock Landers.

What does this have to do with you not knowing what a fact is?

Demonpenz
02-24-2012, 12:59 PM
If you watch closely I think the driver turns around and shoots him!

Frankie
02-29-2012, 10:32 AM
The posters who argue that this shows there was s ingle assassine I offer this:

1- This evidence does not DISPROVE that there might have been more than one.
2- If an assassination of this magnitude is plotted, it makes sense that they would not rely solely on one guy shooting.

To believe otherwise is to believe that a loser like Oswald planned and excecuted a complicated assassination, and managed to avoid security all by himself. I do not believe he was smart enough to pull it off without help.

Garcia Bronco
02-29-2012, 11:09 AM
The posters who argue that this shows there was s ingle assassine I offer this:

1- This evidence does not DISPROVE that there might have been more than one.
2- If an assassination of this magnitude is plotted, it makes sense that they would not rely solely on one guy shooting.

To believe otherwise is to believe that a loser like Oswald planned and excecuted a complicated assassination, and managed to avoid security all by himself. I do not believe he was smart enough to pull it off without help.

1 - The forensic evidence along with the enhanced video, as well as finding the third bullet proves Oswald was the only shooter.

2 - It was plotted and today Oswald is the only one proved to be the shooter.

Oswald might have been a loser, but he was motivated and crazy.

cdcox
02-29-2012, 11:33 AM
The posters who argue that this shows there was s ingle assassine I offer this:

1- This evidence does not DISPROVE that there might have been more than one.
2- If an assassination of this magnitude is plotted, it makes sense that they would not rely solely on one guy shooting.

To believe otherwise is to believe that a loser like Oswald planned and excecuted a complicated assassination, and managed to avoid security all by himself. I do not believe he was smart enough to pull it off without help.

1. Occam's razor
2. Security in '63 wasn't 1/10 of what it is now.

RockChalk
02-29-2012, 12:49 PM
Well either way, a beautiful soul left us in '63





sorry, someone had to

Inspector
02-29-2012, 02:05 PM
When this happened we were stunned. It was an incredible moment. All of us that were around to see this will always remember where we were and what we were doing when the news came out. I heard it from Walter Conkrite.

And then for about 5 or 6 days afterwards there was no other television programming - just constant news about the assination. Of course at the time there were only 3 channels in KC and TV was off air from about midnight until 6 am.

A truly unforgettable time. And very sad. People crying for days everywhere you'd go.

vailpass
02-29-2012, 02:07 PM
[QUOTE=Inspector;8407967]When this happened we were stunned. It was an incredible moment. All of us that were around to see this will always remember where we were and what we were doing when the news came out. I heard it from Walter Conkrite.

And then for about 5 or 6 days afterwards there was no other television programming - just constant news about it. Of course at the time there were only 3 channels in KC and TV was off air from about midnight until 6 am.

A truly unforgettable time. And very sad. People crying for days everywhere you'd go.[/QUOTE



You talking about when obama won the election?

Inspector
02-29-2012, 02:12 PM
[QUOTE=Inspector;8407967]When this happened we were stunned. It was an incredible moment. All of us that were around to see this will always remember where we were and what we were doing when the news came out. I heard it from Walter Conkrite.

And then for about 5 or 6 days afterwards there was no other television programming - just constant news about it. Of course at the time there were only 3 channels in KC and TV was off air from about midnight until 6 am.

A truly unforgettable time. And very sad. People crying for days everywhere you'd go.[/QUOTE



You talking about when obama won the election?


Yes. What other event has been as horrible as that?

LMAO

Demonpenz
02-29-2012, 02:21 PM
it does look clearier, you can see the the gov injured better

Demonpenz
02-29-2012, 02:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP_9Cbn_m20

Monty
02-29-2012, 02:28 PM
Regrettably, I continue to believe that there's far more to this deal than we know ... or will ever know.

FAX

And there's too many dead witnesses to accurately determine the truth. I have no issue with the tests showing that it was possible to shoot from the 6th floor, that was the point anyway....to prove that Oswald did it. My problem is with the fact that Oswald can't be placed up there at the time of the shooting. Additionally, the Rose Cheramie story is one that doesn't get much attention as well as all of the travel by David Ferrie during the weekend of the assassination that can't be explained away. Lee Bowers and Beverly Oliver are witnesses that still give me reason to believe that there was just too much information not covered to in order to believe that Oswald was a lone assassin.

otherstar
02-29-2012, 02:34 PM
And there's too many dead witnesses to accurately determine the truth. I have no issue with the tests showing that it was possible to shoot from the 6th floor, that was the point anyway....to prove that Oswald did it. My problem is with the fact that Oswald can't be placed up there at the time of the shooting. Additionally, the Rose Cheramie story is one that doesn't get much attention as well as all of the travel by David Ferrie during the weekend of the assassination that can't be explained away. Lee Bowers and Beverly Oliver are witnesses that still give me reason to believe that there was just too much information not covered to in order to believe that Oswald was a lone assassin.

I'm still not convinced, Monty, that Oswald can't be placed on the 6th Floor. Check out these videos:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDJxujGJ3AM
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRk-WulFu3k&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hrtvbKxjTU&feature=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r09rHUEKsY&feature=related

They do a pretty good job of putting the case together.

Frankie
02-29-2012, 02:48 PM
Well either way, a beautiful soul left us in '63





sorry, someone had to

Indeed. JFK had his faults, but his heart was in the right place. I often wonder how his second term would have been having gained a lot of job experience.

Monty
02-29-2012, 02:49 PM
1 - The forensic evidence along with the enhanced video, as well as finding the third bullet proves Oswald was the only shooter.

2 - It was plotted and today Oswald is the only one proved to be the shooter.

Oswald might have been a loser, but he was motivated and crazy.

No, it doesn't. It proves that it was possible, not that he was on the 6th floor firing the rifle. I'm not saying he was or was not there, I'm just saying that it hasn't been proven yet, not will it ever be.

Jerm
02-29-2012, 03:08 PM
One of the thing that still baffles me is why Oswald went to a movie theater after the shooting.

I think he went there under the premise of meeting his handler or contact and was sold out and proclaimed the suspect.

Garcia Bronco
02-29-2012, 03:16 PM
No, it doesn't. It proves that it was possible, not that he was on the 6th floor firing the rifle. I'm not saying he was or was not there, I'm just saying that it hasn't been proven yet, not will it ever be.

It's been proven. They've fired the same shots from the same elevation with the same results from bullet deflection perspective. Eye witnesses say the damn rifle in the window. It's his rifle. He's was rated as sharpshooter in the Marine Corp. I mean come on.

Monty
02-29-2012, 03:32 PM
I'm still not convinced, Monty, that Oswald can't be placed on the 6th Floor. Check out these videos:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDJxujGJ3AM
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRk-WulFu3k&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hrtvbKxjTU&feature=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r09rHUEKsY&feature=related

They do a pretty good job of putting the case together.

Good stuff. I hadn't seen this, and yes it does explain that it was possible. Regarding the Texas Theater, the ticket collector, states that Oswald was at the Theater between 1:00 and 1:07pm: http://youtu.be/5p4AvezLnG0

I'm still left with the Rose Cheramie testimony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOJ-JxyLs9U

Monty
02-29-2012, 03:44 PM
It's been proven. They've fired the same shots from the same elevation with the same results from bullet deflection perspective. Eye witnesses say the damn rifle in the window. It's his rifle. He's was rated as sharpshooter in the Marine Corp. I mean come on.

Don't be so gullible McFly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nuloZxeW9g

scho63
02-29-2012, 04:26 PM
The Oswald/Cuba connection is extremely strange. There is evidence (and some if fairly reasonable) that Oswald was being run by the FBI out of a New Orleans office. Apparently, there were several ex-military recruits who were performing the same or similar tasks. It sounds crazy, but the FBI and the CIA were doing a lot of crazy things going on back in those days ... some far more insane than this. Like, for example, giving troops LSD without their knowledge or experimenting with poisons on entire groups of innocent citizens or infiltrating the civil rights movement. Bizarre stuff.

FAX

Did you glance through this long list of characters and connections?

http://ajweberman.com/noduleX29-JACK%20RUBY.htm

I'm not as hooked on the third or fourth bullet/second shooter as to who really killed him. I have ZERO belief that it was Oswald alone and the fact that Jack Ruby was able to walk into the lower level of the police headquarters with a gun, walk up to Oswald, and kill him is by far the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen. THIS GUY JUST KILLED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND SOMEONE WAS ABLE TO KILL HIM THAT EASY???? I call complete cover up or inside job for that to happen.

I also wonder if Cuba/Castro had a big hand with Oswald in helping him and that is the reason the embargo still stands today. It makes no sense why we still have the embargo. Our government seems to have the biggest vendetta against Castro

beach tribe
02-29-2012, 04:30 PM
I believe that THIS is why JFK is dead. He gave this speech not long before getting his wig split.
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You tell me what this speech is about. I think you know.