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htismaqe
03-14-2012, 09:48 AM
In Orton's defense, Denver had I believe the 32nd ranked defense. They were embarrassingly bad. And they had one of the worst ranked run offenses in the league.

Orton can't win things on his own. That's what elite QBs do. And we know he's probably not a franchise QB. But he's also not always been handed the best hand of cards.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Why are the same standards not applied to Orton that are applied to Cassel?

Because he's not Cassel and didn't play for the Chiefs so he just HAS to be better?

This is lunacy folks. Absolutely crazy.

It's Kyle fucking Orton.

This place looked smarter talking about Peyton Manning and that's saying something...

Chiefshrink
03-14-2012, 09:48 AM
Other than the fact that it appears Orton would rather be a backup in Dallas than have anything to do with the KC Chiefs...

He wants out of KC because he sees how dysfunctional the FO is and Cassel is the sacred cow that will not be replaced. Therefore he will play poker to get paid more $$ if he has to ride the pine behind his inferior teammate who will start or get paid more $$ in Dallas to ride the pine. Just a damn shame that he has to ride the pine in either place because he pees less on himself than both Cassel and Romo.

Can you blame him?

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 09:48 AM
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Rausch
03-14-2012, 09:49 AM
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Why are the same standards not applied to Orton that are applied to Cassel?

Because he's not Cassel and didn't play for the Chiefs so he just HAS to be better?

This is lunacy folks. Absolutely crazy.

It's Kyle ****ing Orton.

This place looked smarter talking about Peyton Manning and that's saying something...

Going from a C- to a C+ isn't much improvement, but it's something...

BigChiefFan
03-14-2012, 09:50 AM
Hey Cassel sucks, so let's replace him with a stronger-armed version of himself.

Let's set the bar a little higher for our starting QB, than what everyone else in the league deems as a back-up.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 09:50 AM
He wants out of KC because he sees how dysfunctional the FO is and Cassel is the sacred cow that will not be replaced. Therefore he will play poker to get paid more $$ if he has to ride the pine behind his inferior teammate who will start or get paid more $$ in Dallas to ride the pine. Just a damn shame that he has to ride the pine in either place because he pees less on himself than both Cassel and Romo.

Can you blame him?

No, I can't blame him at all. If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near KC.

That was pretty much my point.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 09:51 AM
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htismaqe
03-14-2012, 09:52 AM
Going from a C- to a C+ isn't much improvement, but it's something...

Why work my ass off doing homework 5 hours a day to get a C+ when I can watch TV and play video games and coast to a C-?

Cassel is bought and paid for. It makes no sense to spend money on a modest, at best, upgrade, especially when the guy doesn't want to be here in the 1st place.

KILLER_CLOWN
03-14-2012, 09:52 AM
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The Matt Cassel era just keeps on giving. If we can look back to the Donkey game i was referring to, that is when Piolis' eyes lit up and he could tell Cassel was the qbotf. He put up several td's against that putrid donkey defense.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 09:54 AM
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We're gonna hang our hats on one fluke game where the defense shut down one of the most explosive offenses in the history of the league.

Rausch
03-14-2012, 09:55 AM
Why work my ass off doing homework 5 hours a day to get a C+ when I can watch TV and play video games and coast to a C-?

Cassel is bought and paid for. It makes no sense to spend money on a modest, at best, upgrade, especially when the guy doesn't want to be here in the 1st place.

Because he can complete a pass over 15 yards without it looking like a wounded duck. If we're going to have an average guy behind center better at least get one with an arm possible of making all the throws.

I don't like the idea long term but you sign him for 3 years and make your move for a QB when we're in better position to do so...

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 09:56 AM
We're gonna hang our hats on one fluke game where the defense shut down one of the most explosive offenses in the history of the league.

The outcome would NOT have been the same if Cassel was under center. As little as you want to say Orton contributed to the game...he did what he needed to do. He did not shit himself and fall into the casseleque-fetal position.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 09:57 AM
Because he can complete a pass over 15 yards without it looking like a wounded duck. If we're going to have an average guy behind center better at least get one with an arm possible of making all the throws.

I don't like the idea long term but you sign him for 3 years and make your move for a QB when we're in better position to do so...

If they sign him for 3 years, he's gonna be the starter for 3 years, unless he can't beat out Matt Cassel.

There is no "upside" to signing Orton.

Chiefshrink
03-14-2012, 09:57 AM
No, my eyes are fine.

He's DIFFERENT than Cassel but "different" is not "better".

And yes, let's not forget what he did to our defense 2 years ago.

He threw for over 400 yards and the Broncos LOST. By nearly 3 touchdowns.

JFC. :facepalm:

The infamous DISS by Haley to McDaniels game? Remember that game?

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 09:57 AM
There is no "upside" to signing Orton.

He isn't Cassel.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 09:58 AM
The outcome would NOT have been the same if Cassel was under center. As little as you want to say Orton contributed to the game...he did what he needed to do. He did not shit himself and fall into the casseleque-fetal position.

Cassel would not have won the Packer game.

However, you could make a STRONG case that Cassel's "protect the ball at all costs" fetality would have WON the Raider game.

It's not about ONE GAME. It's about a season.

Both of them are 8-8 QBs.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 09:59 AM
He isn't Cassel.

Neither is Tyler Palko. Let's bring him back.

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 09:59 AM
We're gonna hang our hats on one fluke game where the defense shut down one of the most explosive offenses in the history of the league.

If McCarthy throws the flag it's a fumble and touchback in the 4th quarter.

MIAdragon
03-14-2012, 09:59 AM
Because he can complete a pass over 15 yards without it looking like a wounded duck. If we're going to have an average guy behind center better at least get one with an arm possible of making all the throws.

I don't like the idea long term but you sign him for 3 years and make your move for a QB when we're in better position to do so...


Not to mention the guy is actually capable of reading defenses and cycling though his reads to find the open man.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:00 AM
Not to mention the guy is actually capable of reading defenses and cycling though his reads to find the open man.

And then he throws a pick...

Sofa King
03-14-2012, 10:01 AM
We're gonna hang our hats on one fluke game where the defense shut down one of the most explosive offenses in the history of the league.

Yes.

That or we can continue to smash our hat into a big steaming pile of cow shit.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 10:02 AM
And then he throws a pick...

No need to defend Cassel...

MIAdragon
03-14-2012, 10:02 AM
Neither is Tyler Palko. Let's bring him back.

hits, I get you dont like Orton and agree he's not the answer to our qb problems but to say he is no better than the turd Polio brought with him is a little questionable.

Rausch
03-14-2012, 10:03 AM
If they sign him for 3 years, he's gonna be the starter for 3 years, unless he can't beat out Matt Cassel.

There is no "upside" to signing Orton.

The upside is Pioli dumping Casshole and moving on.

If he isn't willing to take that baby step towards reality whatever we decide to argue about other QB's is moot...

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 10:03 AM
hits, I get you dont like Orton and agree he's not the answer to our qb problems but to say he is no better than the turd Polio brought with him is questionable.

FYP

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:10 AM
Yes.

That or we can continue to smash our hat into a big steaming pile of cow shit.

Would you rather smash your hat into cow shit for one more year or smash your hat into horseshit for the next 4?

chiefzilla1501
03-14-2012, 10:12 AM
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Why are the same standards not applied to Orton that are applied to Cassel?

Because he's not Cassel and didn't play for the Chiefs so he just HAS to be better?

This is lunacy folks. Absolutely crazy.

It's Kyle ****ing Orton.

This place looked smarter talking about Peyton Manning and that's saying something...

Why are they not applied to Cassel? Because this is what I see in Cassel. I see an inaccurate QB who throws an average ball, one of the least accurate QBs in the league beyond 15 yards (statistically proven). We see a guy who locks onto his first read and often misses an open guy. A guy who panics under pressure. In 2010, I saw a QB who was dared by defenses with 8-man fronts to throw the ball, and he continued to miss opportunities to move the chains. Cassel won games because of his defense. In 2011, when defenses began blitzing him, it became clear Cassel was doing nothing in his pre-snap reads. There's nothing good to say about him. If you give him weapons like Randy Moss and a pre-determined read offense, he can do fine. But that's

What I saw in Orton is a QB who throws an above average deep ball. He throws a very good ball with touch and accuracy. He puts it right where he needs to. He is a relatively smart QB in that he can go through his reads and progressions. Where he falls a little short is that while he makes good pre-snap reads, he's not going to make major adjustments the way Brady or Peyton do. He can be inconsistent and risky, but that's something you can tone down if you surround him with a good running game, something he never had in Denver. You can tell him to be more conservative, because the defense can actually hold points. Orton showed a remarkable ability last year to move the chains, something we could have really used in 2010 when Cassel started almost every first half with a string of 3 and outs. He struggles in the red zone, which is where it helps to bring in 2 backs who are dangerous in the red zone. Again, something Orton has never really had. And yes, I dont' know that Orton will put in the kind of time you'd want from an elite QB.

And no, I don't believe he's a franchise QB. I don't think anybody is. No, I don't want to build my team around the idea that we have to cover up the flaws of our QB. But Orton is a great stopgap, whereas Cassel is a backup.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:13 AM
The upside is Pioli dumping Casshole and moving on.

If he isn't willing to take that baby step towards reality whatever we decide to argue about other QB's is moot...

We're gonna dump Cassel and move on regardless. Season ticket sales don't lie. The only question is whether or not Pioli moves on with him.

Signing Orton isn't a "baby step" towards another QB. Orton isn't gonna be here for 1 year. If we sign Orton, we need to be prepared to go through the EXACT same process we have gone through with Cassel.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 10:13 AM
haha who gives a shit about orton?

bye....

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:15 AM
Why are they not applied to Cassel? Because this is what I see in Cassel. I see an inaccurate QB who throws an average ball, one of the least accurate QBs in the league beyond 15 yards (statistically proven). We see a guy who locks onto his first read and often misses an open guy. A guy who panics under pressure. In 2010, I saw a QB who was dared by defenses with 8-man fronts to throw the ball, and he continued to miss opportunities to move the chains. Cassel won games because of his defense. In 2011, when defenses began blitzing him, it became clear Cassel was doing nothing in his pre-snap reads. There's nothing good to say about him. If you give him weapons like Randy Moss and a pre-determined read offense, he can do fine. But that's

What I saw in Orton is a QB who throws an above average deep ball. He throws a very good ball with touch and accuracy. He puts it right where he needs to. He is a relatively smart QB in that he can go through his reads and progressions. Where he falls a little short is that while he makes good pre-snap reads, he's not going to make major adjustments the way Brady or Peyton do. He can be inconsistent and risky, but that's something you can tone down if you surround him with a good running game, something he never had in Denver. You can tell him to be more conservative, because the defense can actually hold points. Orton showed a remarkable ability last year to move the chains, something we could have really used in 2010 when Cassel started almost every first half with a string of 3 and outs. He struggles in the red zone, which is where it helps to bring in 2 backs who are dangerous in the red zone. Again, something Orton has never really had. And yes, I dont' know that Orton will put in the kind of time you'd want from an elite QB.

And no, I don't believe he's a franchise QB. I don't think anybody is. No, I don't want to build my team around the idea that we have to cover up the flaws of our QB. But Orton is a great stopgap, whereas Cassel is a backup.

And therein lies your problem.

There's a complete lack of acceptance of reality in that statement.

If they bring in Orton to start, he's going to START. He's NOT going to be a stopgap. He's going to be 4 years of not getting it done, just like Cassel.

Did we learn nothing from the 90s?

chiefzilla1501
03-14-2012, 10:17 AM
And therein lies your problem.

There's a complete lack of acceptance of reality in that statement.

If they bring in Orton to start, he's going to START. He's NOT going to be a stopgap. He's going to be 4 years of not getting it done, just like Cassel.

Did we learn nothing from the 90s?

Well, the problem is, you don't like the Orton move because of what you anticipate the front office doing. I agree with that. I don't like the Orton move either if it means a multi-year commitment. I don't feel like Orton carries that same loyalty baggage.

For 2012, Orton will start, and he should. There isn't a better option out there. And Orton can actually win games for this team. I actually think he has potential to Alex Smith this team. Not your ideal situation, but again, you could do worse. And yes, Matt Cassel isn't just worse, he's significantly worse than Cassel.

Rausch
03-14-2012, 10:24 AM
We're gonna dump Cassel and move on regardless. Season ticket sales don't lie. The only question is whether or not Pioli moves on with him.

Signing Orton isn't a "baby step" towards another QB. Orton isn't gonna be here for 1 year. If we sign Orton, we need to be prepared to go through the EXACT same process we have gone through with Cassel.

There isn't anything we're going to do this year to get a legit starting QB. Outside of Manning there isn't one in FA and we're not making a move in the draft.

Orton is only the best of the options available this year...

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:26 AM
Well, the problem is, you don't like the Orton move because of what you anticipate the front office doing. I agree with that. I don't like the Orton move either if it means a multi-year commitment. I don't feel like Orton carries that same loyalty baggage.

For 2012, Orton will start, and he should. There isn't a better option out there. And Orton can actually win games for this team. I actually think he has potential to Alex Smith this team. Not your ideal situation, but again, you could do worse. And yes, Matt Cassel isn't just worse, he's significantly worse than Cassel.

Matt Cassel took the team to 10-6 and a first-round playoff loss. Can Orton do SIGNIFICANTLY more than that?

If the answer is "no" (and we both know it is) then Cassel is NOT significantly worse.

And make no mistake about it - signing Orton will almost certainly mean a multi-year commitment.

1) It's the Chiefs way. Why draft and develop when you can sell enough tickets with a 4-year band aid?

2) Kyle Orton isn't going to sign a 1-year deal, especially not in KC.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:27 AM
There isn't anything we're going to do this year to get a legit starting QB. Outside of Manning there isn't one in FA and we're not making a move in the draft.

Orton is only the best of the options available this year...

There will be options next year and the year after next.

If we sign Orton, we won't entertain any of those options.

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 10:31 AM
Orton appeared much more comfortable with what Zorn was asking him to do than Cassel did last year. Cassel looked like a shell of what he was in 2010 which wasn't all that much, but at least passable at times.

Honestly, I'd rather roll the dice with Weeden or Stanzi for 2 years than either Cassel or Orton.

Carlota69
03-14-2012, 10:32 AM
I might be crazy, but I think we could still be in on Manning. We are acting like teams that are in on him, quiet in FA so far, scheduling visits with OL players, or mainly offensive players in general and not looking at anyone at the QB market, not even Kyle (who is looking at a back up role?) who Romeo gushed over. What does Kyle know that we dont? Yes, it could be Pioli stinks or could it be he knows that Chiefs are looking at Cassel as backup?

Granted, it could be me wishful thinking and wanting to believe there is a valid reason our FO seems to be doing nothing, but until Manning signs, we cant believe shit the media is saying. Including KC is out.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:33 AM
Orton appeared much more comfortable with what Zorn was asking him to do than Cassel did last year. Cassel looked like a shell of what he was in 2010 which wasn't all that much, but at least passable at times.

Honestly, I'd rather roll the dice with Weeden or Stanzi for 2 years than either Cassel or Orton.

This.

Rausch
03-14-2012, 10:38 AM
There will be options next year and the year after next.

If we sign Orton, we won't entertain any of those options.

We did this year. Signed him to a 1 year deal and now seem more than happy to let him walk.

I like Stanzi better coming off the bench. Low expectations, crowd all behind him, and no complete offseason to split the fanbase between Pro/Con sects...

Rausch
03-14-2012, 10:39 AM
Granted, it could be me wishful thinking and wanting to believe there is a valid reason our FO seems to be doing nothing, but until Manning signs, we cant believe shit the media is saying. Including KC is out.

Or that we were ever in the running to begin with...

O.city
03-14-2012, 10:39 AM
Maybe Orton could be Rich Gannon 2.0?

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 10:41 AM
Maybe Orton could be Rich Gannon 2.0?

wow

KILLER_CLOWN
03-14-2012, 10:41 AM
Maybe Orton could be Rich Gannon 2.0?

Except he's the opposite of Gannon, not too mobile but has a cannon for an arm.

Rausch
03-14-2012, 10:41 AM
Maybe Orton could be Rich Gannon 2.0?

Could he be Deberg-ed?...

Sofa King
03-14-2012, 10:43 AM
Would you rather smash your hat into cow shit for one more year or smash your hat into horseshit for the next 4?

Dude. Nobody is saying keep orton for more than a year.

But for that 1 year I'd much rather have the better QB.

the Talking Can
03-14-2012, 10:43 AM
Maybe Orton could be Rich Gannon 2.0?

or he could be Bono 4.0

chiefzilla1501
03-14-2012, 10:43 AM
Matt Cassel took the team to 10-6 and a first-round playoff loss. Can Orton do SIGNIFICANTLY more than that?

If the answer is "no" (and we both know it is) then Cassel is NOT significantly worse.

And make no mistake about it - signing Orton will almost certainly mean a multi-year commitment.

1) It's the Chiefs way. Why draft and develop when you can sell enough tickets with a 4-year band aid?

2) Kyle Orton isn't going to sign a 1-year deal, especially not in KC.

Yes. I think Orton can take the Chiefs to 10-6 even with a tougher schedule. And no, I don't think Orton shits his pants the way Cassel did against baltimore. It's impossible for any QB to be any worse.

There's no problem with having Orton on your roster if it means in year 2, you start trying to develop a QB. And no, I don't think you resort to a 5th round pick like Stanzi unless it's your last resort.

Carlota69
03-14-2012, 10:48 AM
Or that we were ever in the running to begin with...

True. Really anything is possible...

Dave Lane
03-14-2012, 10:50 AM
And then he throws a pick...

There is a reason Denver cut him mid season and the Bears dumped him. You don't get rid of a decent QB in this league for basically nothing.

bevischief
03-14-2012, 10:51 AM
Orton is still in Dallas and they are making a strong case to not let him leave till he signs,

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 10:53 AM
Orton is still in Dallas and they are making a strong case to not let him leave till he signs,

Link.

chiefzilla1501
03-14-2012, 10:53 AM
Orton appeared much more comfortable with what Zorn was asking him to do than Cassel did last year. Cassel looked like a shell of what he was in 2010 which wasn't all that much, but at least passable at times.

Honestly, I'd rather roll the dice with Weeden or Stanzi for 2 years than either Cassel or Orton.

What Orton showed was a very good ability to move the chains. That's something that I've always said could have made the Chiefs 13-3 in 2010, and would have won us Baltimore. That could be especially dangerous if we go back to a run-heavy attack where Charles and hopefully Tolbert wear down defenses. We saw him produce 2 wins even without Moeaki and Charles, two guys we get back. Hes a guy who needs good pass protection and he'll get that, with the possibility of up to 3 upgrades this offseason on the offensive line. His red zone woes will improve if you get him real red zone backs.

The Time of Possession game isn't my favorite way to win, but it's a way to win. The Jets and Ravens and 49ers have seen success with it. I think Orton is every bit as good as Sanchez, Flacco, and Alex Smith.

I'm saying this from the standpoint of... I never want to see this team milk it for better picks. What the fuck is the point of developing Weeden -- even if becomes very good, he'll probably be 31-32 when he peaks. And what's the point of starting Stanzi--to capitalize on the 1% chance that he slipped that far under the radar by accident?

If it's not Peyton, it has to be Orton.

chiefzilla1501
03-14-2012, 10:55 AM
There is a reason Denver cut him mid season and the Bears dumped him. You don't get rid of a decent QB in this league for basically nothing.

The Bears dumped him because they had a window to get a franchise QB, something that rarely ever happens. The Broncos dumped him for political reasons.

That's not the same thing as cutting a guy.

Orton is a top 15 QB. He's much better than a lot of options out there. Is he a guy we should be depending on for more than 2 years? No.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:57 AM
The Bears dumped him because they had a window to get a franchise QB, something that rarely ever happens. The Broncos dumped him for political reasons.

The Bears forced him to share time with a littany of garbage at QB. They NEVER committed to him as a full-time starter because he could never separate from the littany of GARBAGE they had at QB.

The Broncos cut him because they were 1-4. Political reasons my ass...

That's not the same thing as cutting a guy.

Orton is a top 15 QB.

Lay off the shrooms.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 10:58 AM
Dude. Nobody is saying keep orton for more than a year.

Come back to reality.

Orton is NOT signing for a 1-year deal.

I don't know why people even bring it up.

chiefzilla1501
03-14-2012, 11:12 AM
The Bears forced him to share time with a littany of garbage at QB. They NEVER committed to him as a full-time starter because he could never separate from the littany of GARBAGE they had at QB.
The Bears' system was a 3-step drop, 1-read offense. Something Orton mentioned and it's clear when you watch any highlights. It was a horrendous offensive system. Chicago is not a good benchmark for what Orton is capable of.

The Broncos cut him because they were 1-4. Political reasons my ass...


That's not the same thing as cutting a guy.
With a new offensive system in a strike-shortened season in an environment where fans were calling for his head before the season even started. I put a lot less stock on that and a lot more stock on what we started to see in Kansas City. The Broncos cut Orton because they had to start Tebow and couldn't afford to pay Orton to be a backup.

Lay off the shrooms.
Orton is on the same level as Sanchez, Flacco, Alex Smith and Hasselbeck. I don't see why he couldn't be on the same level as Matt Ryan, given that Orton has never had a Matt Ryan-like supporting cast (but he will with the Chiefs). He is not elite. He is not franchise. However, he is a middle-of-the road starter, whereas Cassel is a low-tier starter/quality backup.

suds79
03-14-2012, 11:15 AM
I felt victim to this getting into the Cassel v Orton debate earlier in this thread but it's a moot point.

Pioli is going to gladly let Orton go. Cassel is the guy. We're screwed. We just have to live with it.

Pointless to talk any further about Orton.

Lightrise
03-14-2012, 11:28 AM
Could he be Deberg-ed?...

I think so. I saw enough and he is probably the one guy who can cope with Dabold cause he knows enough with enough ability to render Dabold essentially useless and therefore harmless...It neutralizes that hire until Pioli, Romeo and Dabold are all gone in 2 years, 3 years max. So I think Orton makes a lot of sense, we are going to win enough games that even next year getting a QB could be difficult. So take him...this can definitely work. Get DeCastro with the #1, Winston FA, Tolbert FA and take Weeden in 2nd and take a DT in the 3rd.

BigChiefTablet
03-14-2012, 11:29 AM
Our quarterback situation makes me want to punch a baby.

HemiEd
03-14-2012, 11:32 AM
If they sign him for 3 years, he's gonna be the starter for 3 years, unless he can't beat out Matt Cassel.

There is no "upside" to signing Orton.

The upside is he is watchable as a fan, Cassel is not.

Sofa King
03-14-2012, 11:50 AM
Come back to reality.

Orton is NOT signing for a 1-year deal.

I don't know why people even bring it up.

He doesn't have to sign for a 1 year deal. He can be signed for multiple years, and then get cut after we replace him. It's not a hard concept.

Reerun_KC
03-14-2012, 11:54 AM
The upside is he is watchable as a fan, Cassel is not.

so your saying that you would rather receive aids by anal injection vs falling over a burning aids bush?

Reerun_KC
03-14-2012, 11:55 AM
He doesn't have to sign for a 1 year deal. He can be signed for multiple years, and then get cut after we replace him. It's not a hard concept.

They harder concept to understand is why do you want to replace one pile of shit for another?

Its like beating your dick with a meat tenderizer... Cant see any gain from it...

Coogs
03-14-2012, 11:55 AM
Honestly, I'd rather roll the dice with Weeden or Stanzi for 2 years than either Cassel or Orton.

I'd rather roll with Stanzi at this point. Dude showed a little moxie in presseason. I'll wait and see what FA's come in before jumping on Weeden's bandwagon.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 12:20 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏ @ProFootballWkly Close
QB Kyle Orton has signed a three-year deal with the #Cowboys, per @AdamSchefter.

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 12:20 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏ @ProFootballWkly Close
QB Kyle Orton has signed a three-year deal with the #Cowboys, per @AdamSchefter.

So much for him not wanting to be a backup.

SuperChief
03-14-2012, 12:21 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏ @ProFootballWkly Close
QB Kyle Orton has signed a three-year deal with the #Cowboys, per @AdamSchefter.

He would rather back up Tony Romo then compete for a starting job here. Jesus.

the Talking Can
03-14-2012, 12:22 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏ @ProFootballWkly Close
QB Kyle Orton has signed a three-year deal with the #Cowboys, per @AdamSchefter.

ahahahahahahahahahah

Pioli is totally bringing in competition for Cassel y'all, that's why he didn't sign Carr

herp derp

Fritz88
03-14-2012, 12:23 PM
God dammmit
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the Talking Can
03-14-2012, 12:23 PM
He would rather back up Tony Romo then compete for a starting job here. Jesus.

there is no competition here

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 12:23 PM
Brady Quinn......COME ON DOWN!!!!!

the Talking Can
03-14-2012, 12:24 PM
cowboys backup > our starter

our backup < flaming pile of shit

Messier
03-14-2012, 12:24 PM
He would rather back up Tony Romo then compete for a starting job here. Jesus.

I highly doubt any QB would turn down a starting job to take a back up job. He must have known he wasn't going to be the starter here.

KILLER_CLOWN
03-14-2012, 12:24 PM
:(

SPATCH
03-14-2012, 12:29 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏ @ProFootballWkly Close
QB Kyle Orton has signed a three-year deal with the #Cowboys, per @AdamSchefter.

what in the holy fuck?

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 12:29 PM
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philfree
03-14-2012, 12:31 PM
We picked Orton up on waivers so there's a good chance that he never wanted to be a Chief. His probably been a Cowboy fan his whole life.:shrug: Big whoop!

SPATCH
03-14-2012, 12:31 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/ragefaces/13b84e27ae884ad0a24d817d23b75be0.png

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 12:31 PM
All the Anti-Ortons got their wish.

Cassel is now your starter for next year.

Gravedigger
03-14-2012, 12:31 PM
You kinda had a feeling this would happen when Romeo was introduced and he kept saying "We want Kyle here ..." It's like when your parents tell you "you may WANT this but you don't NEED it." So you knew they weren't gonna pay for whatever it is you wanted.

ChiefsCountry
03-14-2012, 12:32 PM
Brady Quinn......COME ON DOWN!!!!!

Me and you better duck and cover if that happens. LMAO

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 12:32 PM
Me and you better duck and cover if that happens. LMAO

Me more than you. I'm a fucking Irish fan.

Although it would be hilarious to watch Quinn beat out Cassel in training camp.

the Talking Can
03-14-2012, 12:33 PM
All the Anti-Ortons got their wish.

Cassel is now your starter for next year.

actually, pioli got his wish

he signed him

and he's going to waste 4 years on him

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2012, 12:34 PM
3 more years of Cassel!

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2012, 12:35 PM
Crennel, Cassel, Daboll.

29th ranked offense?

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 12:35 PM
This board is going to be crazy when Cassel comes out this season against a 4th place schedule and puts up 2010 numbers again......and then we sign him to a new contract.

penguinz
03-14-2012, 12:36 PM
Orton was not much of an upgrade if any over Cassel. I do not understand why people are so upset about this.

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2012, 12:36 PM
Orton was not much of an upgrade if any over Cassel. I do not understand why people are so upset about this.

Competition.

Frosty
03-14-2012, 12:37 PM
Me and you better duck and cover if that happens. LMAO

I think Quinn won't ever amount to much and I would still rather have him instead of Cassel.

barn
03-14-2012, 12:37 PM
This board is going to be crazy when Cassel comes out this season against a 4th place schedule and puts up 2010 numbers again......and then we sign him to a new contract.

I like the odds that Matt Cassel will be the oldest starting qb in league history

Messier
03-14-2012, 12:37 PM
Orton was not much of an upgrade if any over Cassel. I do not understand why people are so upset about this.

I agree, plus this tells me he wasn't starting here anyway.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 12:38 PM
I agree, plus this tells me he wasn't starting here anyway.

It was just nice to have a QB who knew how to throw a ball...

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 12:39 PM
The definition of competition from the dictionary of Pioli:

Any QB that can be easily beat by Matt Cassel.

Messier
03-14-2012, 12:39 PM
It was just nice to have a QB who knew how to throw a ball...

That's always a plus.

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2012, 12:42 PM
Orton clearly didn't want to come back here.

Messier
03-14-2012, 12:43 PM
The definition of competition from the dictionary of Pioli:

Any QB that can be easily beat by Matt Cassel.

There's a lot of FA time left plus the draft. This means he didn't think Orton was the answer. If in July all we have is Cassel/Stanzi, Pioli lied.

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2012, 12:45 PM
There's a lot of FA time left plus the draft. This means he didn't think Orton was the answer. If in July all we have is Cassel/Stanzi, Pioli lied.

Oh great the wait another 6 months excuse.

OnTheWarpath58
03-14-2012, 12:45 PM
Orton clearly didn't want to come back here.

Can't imagine why not.*

*Make sure you have fresh batteries in your sarcasm meter when reading this post.

Messier
03-14-2012, 12:46 PM
Oh great the wait another 6 months excuse.

Well, more like one.

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 12:47 PM
There's a lot of FA time left plus the draft. This means he didn't think Orton was the answer. If in July all we have is Cassel/Stanzi, Pioli lied.

Oh...Pioli will draft a QB....but it will be in the 5th round and he'll call that competition.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 12:48 PM
Oh...Pioli will draft a QB....but it will be in the 5th round and he'll call that competition.

Nick Foles.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 01:02 PM
All the Anti-Ortons got their wish.

Cassel is now your starter for next year.

He was anyway.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 01:03 PM
He doesn't have to sign for a 1 year deal. He can be signed for multiple years, and then get cut after we replace him. It's not a hard concept.

But it's pure fantasy. What in their history here suggest they'd do something like that? Certainly NOT their handling of Matt Cassel...

Reerun_KC
03-14-2012, 01:05 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏ @ProFootballWkly Close
QB Kyle Orton has signed a three-year deal with the #Cowboys, per @AdamSchefter.

http://kachinlandnews-jinghpaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hallelujah.jpg


Now if we can get rid of Cassel....

Frosty
03-14-2012, 01:10 PM
Now if we can get rid of Cassel....

Short of death, I don't see that happening any time soon.

R8RFAN
03-14-2012, 01:10 PM
http://sports.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/brady-quinn-starting-over-derek-anderson-browns.jpg

Earthling
03-14-2012, 01:12 PM
So when should we officially start hoping the Chiefs lose every game they play this year so we can have a better draft position the next year after this?

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 01:12 PM
http://redskinsdraft.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/ryan_mallett.jpg

loochy
03-14-2012, 01:18 PM
So when should we officially start hoping the Chiefs lose every game they play this year so we can have a better draft position the next year after this?

dumb asses will win games

jackass true fans will bitch about throwing games

HMc
03-15-2012, 06:05 AM
I think you're really underrating Orton. I agree he's not a franchise QB. But given our options, he's probably the best we can do. I'm just as comfortable with him as I would be with Flacco or Sanchez or even Alex Smith (though, Flacco and Sanchez arguably still have room to improve).

We could do a whole lot worse. I could see the Chiefs make a 49er-like surge.

I really meant that he should seek a backup role because of the job security you get doing that. He's capable, but not unlikely to completely meltdown and find himself unemployed. He's probably better than we'll end up with, yeah, but that's saying not much and a shitty year on a horrible chiefs O is not a great career move.

Holding a clipboard is much harder to fuck up.

ChiefGator
03-15-2012, 06:20 AM
Maybe Orton knows that the front office is high on Stanzi.. which makes him think he will only be a very short term solution...

Hey, if we are all speculating....

Shox
03-15-2012, 07:16 AM
Maybe Orton knows that the front office is high on Stanzi.. which makes him think he will only be a very short term solution...

Hey, if we are all speculating....

I hope you are right. I'm stunned Orton signed with Dallas. It tells me he did not have the stuff necessary to be really good NFL QB. The fact he is willing to accept an obvious backup job when there were starting jobs he very possible could have had or at least been given an opportunity to compete for says it all.