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ChiefsandO'sfan
03-14-2012, 04:08 PM
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League source confirms nose guard Paul Soliai is going to rejoin the Dolphins

dirk digler
03-14-2012, 04:09 PM
This offseason is starting off wonderfully

Mr_Tomahawk
03-14-2012, 04:09 PM
Guess they are out of the PM race.

Oh and..


FUCK!

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 04:09 PM
Ha, ha, ha.

Dayze
03-14-2012, 04:10 PM
lovely

Messier
03-14-2012, 04:10 PM
Market must not have been as strong as he wanted.

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 04:10 PM
:facepalm:

It's ok....we re-signed Amon Gordon.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:10 PM
broncos dude knowmo told me

Dayze
03-14-2012, 04:11 PM
it's ok. we'll sighn another 4-3 DT and convert him to NT.

Setsuna
03-14-2012, 04:12 PM
I bet they overpay him and all of you will be like, "I'm glad we didn't sign him for that much, they can have him!" Derrrrrr. Idiots. Chiefs aren't getting shit, Jags aren't getting shit. Accept it. At least your team is more complete. :harumph:

ChiefsCountry
03-14-2012, 04:12 PM
Not much you can do if a guy decides to resign with his team.

durtyrute
03-14-2012, 04:13 PM
"and another one bites, and another one bites........ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST"

SNR
03-14-2012, 04:14 PM
Alameda Ta'amu is the only guy I see being a legit NT in this draft. He might be our only shot.

We'll have to reach the fuck to grab him, though :facepalm:

Messier
03-14-2012, 04:14 PM
Not much you can do if a guy decides to resign with his team.

I'm thinking he thought he was in for a big pay day. It's too bad he was coming off a kind of down season.

HemiEd
03-14-2012, 04:14 PM
This offseason is starting off wonderfully

Remember how wonderful last off season went, maybe this is a good thing.















fuck it, it is getting hard to be optimistic.

O.city
03-14-2012, 04:14 PM
We probably low balled him or something.

Detoxing
03-14-2012, 04:16 PM
Didn't think he'd come here anyway. Clearly RAC doesn't emphasis the need for a NT.

No disappointment here.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-14-2012, 04:16 PM
Paul Soliai is going to rejoin the Dolphins

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 04:16 PM
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Messier
03-14-2012, 04:16 PM
We probably low balled him or something.

I don't think we balled him at all.

SuperChief
03-14-2012, 04:16 PM
I bet they overpay him and all of you will be like, "I'm glad we didn't sign him for that much, they can have him!" Derrrrrr. Idiots. Chiefs aren't getting shit, Jags aren't getting shit. Accept it. At least your team is more complete. :harumph:

Why are you here? Not being a dick, just out of curiosity.

SuperChief
03-14-2012, 04:17 PM
I don't think we balled him at all.

Represents this organization well - NO BALLS. Whatsoever.

qabbaan
03-14-2012, 04:17 PM
Not to worry, we are going to compensate for Manning and Carr by making a splash in free agency

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-14-2012, 04:18 PM
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SNR
03-14-2012, 04:18 PM
We probably low balled him or something.I swear I've seen Pioli on TV before:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/16281888.jpg

bricks
03-14-2012, 04:19 PM
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Now that's what I'm talking about

LMAO

dirk digler
03-14-2012, 04:19 PM
I will be interested to see his contract numbers. It is just getting a little frustrating that this team does nothing to try to win.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 04:20 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Christ, I !@#$ing love this team.

It's beyond comical. It's Chad Henne and a bunch of fucking tripe about dry powder and what not.

Fuck you, Clark.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 04:20 PM
I will be interested to see his contract numbers. It is just getting a little frustrating that this team does nothing to try to win.

Nah, frustrating was 2 years ago.

It's just funny now.

saphojunkie
03-14-2012, 04:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCf46yHIzSo&feature=related

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 04:20 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Christ, I !@#$ing love this team.

It's beyond comical. It's Chad Henne and a bunch of fucking tripe about dry powder and what not.

Fuck you, Clark.

Chad Henne isn't coming here. ROFL

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-14-2012, 04:21 PM
Powe better be what people thought he'd be.

Wallcrawler
03-14-2012, 04:22 PM
"and another one gone, and another one gone........ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST"

.

SNR
03-14-2012, 04:22 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Christ, I !@#$ing love this team.

It's beyond comical. It's Chad Henne and a bunch of fucking tripe about dry powder and what not.

Fuck you, Clark.Just Passin' By or whoever that Patriot-sucking cunt is thinks you're being irrational. Why should a team overspend? That's not how you build a team!

mnchiefsguy
03-14-2012, 04:23 PM
Powe better be what people thought he'd be.

Damn straight. Very frustrating to be a Chiefs fan right now. Feel like I have no hope.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:24 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Christ, I !@#$ing love this team.

It's beyond comical. It's Chad Henne and a bunch of fucking tripe about dry powder and what not.

Fuck you, Clark.

henne wouldnt be a bad backup at all

durtyrute
03-14-2012, 04:25 PM
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LMAO

Thanks, I just posted that. Great minds

Chiefs Pantalones
03-14-2012, 04:29 PM
Apparently he doesn't want to work for BBQ chips...

talastan
03-14-2012, 04:32 PM
Powe better be what people thought he'd be.

Funny thing is we're saying the same thing about Stanzi...:shake: We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEDDDDDDDDD!!! :deevee:

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-14-2012, 04:34 PM
Funny thing is we're saying the same thing about Stanzi...:shake: We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEDDDDDDDDD!!! :deevee:

Stranger things have happened, but it does suck that it seems to be our only hope.

doomy3
03-14-2012, 04:38 PM
Son of a bitch.

Micjones
03-14-2012, 04:39 PM
Greatest Freakout Ever #9,756.

God I love this place!

Sofa King
03-14-2012, 04:40 PM
http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x354/Boyd508/Hindenburg-1.jpg

SNR
03-14-2012, 04:41 PM
World's Greatest Freakout #9,756.

God I love this place!
Soliai would have been perfect for us.

Meanwhile we're still without a legitimate NT, and the draft has poo available at the position. And we'll end up wasting a large draft pick.

Most consecutive playoff losses in NFL history. It's shit like this.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 04:42 PM
Greatest Freakout Ever #9,756.

God I love this place!

Don't you suppose the freakouts would stop if this team EVER did ANYTHING good?

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 04:44 PM
Soliai would have been perfect for us.

Meanwhile we're still without a legitimate NT, and the draft has poo available at the position. And we'll end up wasting a large draft pick.

Most consecutive playoff losses in NFL history. It's shit like this.

You know we're taking Poe now, right?

Nicks just signed for $10 million/season, a guard better than him is available in the draft and would cost a fraction of that, but we're going to burn that pick on a guy that couldn't dominate the in the MVC to play the nose and roll with Ryan Lilja...

Penny wise and pound foolish doesn't even begin to describe this regime - they're just a bunch of cheap, stupid cocksuckers.

Why couldn't Lamar have been born a woman? His seed will haunt us forever...

Micjones
03-14-2012, 04:45 PM
Don't you suppose the freakouts would stop if this team EVER did ANYTHING good?

This place has no idea how to think critically anymore.
We're constantly throwing the baby out with the bathwater now.

The franchise NEVER does anything good now?

Because Soliai, in 24 hours, decided to re-sign with the team he played for JUST LAST YEAR? That's an indictment of this organization?

My God.

Crush
03-14-2012, 04:45 PM
Step 1: Convert to the 3-4.
Step 2: Ignore NT position.
Step 3: Pick up candy wrappers off the floor.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:47 PM
apparently the only nt in football is soliai

Crush
03-14-2012, 04:48 PM
This place has no idea how to think critically anymore.
We're constantly throwing the baby out with the bathwater now.

The franchise NEVER does anything good now?

Because Soliai, in 24 hours, decided to re-sign with the team he played for JUST LAST YEAR? That's an indictment of this organization?

My God.

This team is 3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. That's the indictment of this organization.

Strongside
03-14-2012, 04:48 PM
This fucking sucks.

Micjones
03-14-2012, 04:49 PM
This team is 3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. That's the indictment of this organization.

The **** does that have to do with Paul Soliai?
ROFL

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 04:52 PM
This place has no idea how to think critically anymore.
We're constantly throwing the baby out with the bathwater now.

The franchise NEVER does anything good now?

Because Soliai, in 24 hours, decided to re-sign with the team he played for JUST LAST YEAR? That's an indictment of this organization?

My God.

You're in no position to talk about thinking critically if you honestly think it's just about Soliai.

It's about Soliai, Manning, Orton, Carr, and the DOZENS of other players that we've allowed to leave or failed to sign over the years.

Some of us would like to see a playoff win before we fucking die.

Crush
03-14-2012, 04:53 PM
The **** does that have to do with Paul Soliai?
ROFL

We're not winning any playoff games any time soon as this team remains idle in free agency.

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2012, 04:53 PM
I'm cheering for this team to lose every game next year.

barn
03-14-2012, 04:54 PM
apparently the only nt in football is soliai

he was certainly the most readily available...you think we'd trade for one? that would be a miracle

Crush
03-14-2012, 04:54 PM
I'm cheering for this team to lose every game next year.

This

I really hope Cassel gets Theismaned sometime this year.

Frosty
03-14-2012, 04:54 PM
Hey, the Pats just went back to running a 4-3, right? Since Pioli seems so gung-ho on copying them (rumored 2 TE attack), maybe the Chiefs are planning on switching back to a 4-3 too.

We don't need no stinkin' NT. LMAO

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:54 PM
wow. one guy resigns WITH HIS OLD TEAM and its the end of the fucking world

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:55 PM
he was certainly the most readily available...you think we'd trade for one? that would be a miracle

theres this thing called a NFL draft in April. perhaps youve heard of it?

Crush
03-14-2012, 04:55 PM
wow. one guy resigns WITH HIS OLD TEAM and its the end of the fucking world

3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV.

Mike in SW-MO
03-14-2012, 04:55 PM
I swear I've seen Pioli on TV before:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/16281888.jpg

Milk speweth.

:clap:

Crush
03-14-2012, 04:56 PM
theres this thing called a NFL draft in April. perhaps youve heard of it?


YES!!! Another NT prospect in the 6th round! Let's do it!!! To the motherfucking truefan ship!!!

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 04:56 PM
theres this thing called a NFL draft in April. perhaps youve heard of it?

Who is the top NT available in the draft? The guy most people are talking about is better suited to 1-gap and he's notorious for not playing to his potential...

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:58 PM
YES!!! Another NT prospect in the 6th round! Let's do it!!! To the motherfucking truefan ship!!!

soliai was drafted in the fourth

Micjones
03-14-2012, 04:58 PM
You're in no position to talk about thinking critically if you honestly think it's just about Soliai.

It's about Soliai, Manning, Orton, Carr, and the DOZENS of other players that we've allowed to leave or failed to sign over the years.

Some of us would like to see a playoff win before we ****ing die.

Soliai re-signed with the team he played for in 2011.
That's Pioli's fault?

Orton is a marginal improvement over Cassel who opted to hold a clipboard rather than compete for a starting job.
That's Pioli's fault?

Carr just got 25% more, PER YEAR, than Brandon Flowers.
That's Pioli's fault?

What other key players has this organization allowed to leave?
Don't worry...I'll wait.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:58 PM
Who is the top NT available in the draft? The guy most people are talking about is better suited to 1-gap and he's notorious for not playing to his potential...

its either him or a RT. i can live with either

Hoover
03-14-2012, 04:59 PM
Solori signed a 2 year deal with an option for 18 mil

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 04:59 PM
3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV.

WE WANT CARL BACK!1!1!

barn
03-14-2012, 04:59 PM
theres this thing called a NFL draft in April. perhaps youve heard of it?

I'm cool with that...just would have netted us an additional pick to use on QB, RB, TE, T, G, CB, S. We have PLENTY of depth to fill thru the draft

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 04:59 PM
Soliai re-signed with the team he played for in 2011.
That's Pioli's fault?

Orton is a marginal improvement over Cassel who opted to hold a clipboard rather than compete for a starting job.
That's Pioli's fault?

Carr just got 25% more, PER YEAR, than Brandon Flowers.
That's Pioli's fault?

What other key players has this organization allowed to leave?
Don't worry...I'll wait.

Dude, give it a rest. I've been a fan of this team for 30 years. I don't need a fucking lecture. I've been MORE than patient.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 04:59 PM
its either him or a RT. i can live with either

Except that he's not a real NT. Did you even read what I wrote?

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:00 PM
Dude, give it a rest. I've been a fan of this team for 30 years. I don't need a ****ing lecture. I've been MORE than patient.

I'm not lecturing anybody. I'm laughing my ass off at how epic these knee-jerk reactions, to EVERYTHING, have gotten.

Crush
03-14-2012, 05:00 PM
WE WANT CARL BACK!1!1!

The Hunts are the source of the problem. As long as they own the team, we're fucked.

Crush
03-14-2012, 05:01 PM
I'm not lecturing anybody. I'm laughing my ass off at how epic these knee-jerk reactions, to EVERYTHING, have gotten.

3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. This is a "knee-jerk reaction" to the consistent 40+ years of mediocrity.

Crush
03-14-2012, 05:01 PM
WE WANT CARL BACK!1!1!

Go swallow Cassel's cum.

TEX
03-14-2012, 05:02 PM
it's ok. we'll sighn another 4-3 DT and convert him to NT.

Or another NT and convert him to DE...

TRR
03-14-2012, 05:02 PM
This Soliai love reminds me a lot of the Franklin love he got last offseason when the Planet almost melted down when he signed elsewhere....and he's on the open market again this year with no mention....LOL!

Posters actually root for KC to lose and hope their QB gets his leg shattered? What's wrong with some of you? If its that bad, pick another team and root for them. Jump on the NE bandwagon, etc...
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htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:03 PM
I'm not lecturing anybody. I'm laughing my ass off at how epic these knee-jerk reactions, to EVERYTHING, have gotten.

That's just the thing, it's not a fucking knee-jerk reaction.

It's 20+ years of frustration boiling over.

I didn't get to this point overnight, so spare me.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:03 PM
If its that bad, pick another team and root for them. Jump on the NE bandwagon, etc...
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And just how do you do that?

This is a bullshit response and you know it.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:04 PM
This Soliai love reminds me a lot of the Franklin love he got last offseason when the Planet almost melted down when he signed elsewhere....and he's on the open market again this year with no mention....LOL!

Posters actually root for KC to lose and hope their QB gets his leg shattered? What's wrong with some of you? If its that bad, pick another team and root for them. Jump on the NE bandwagon, etc...
Posted via Mobile Device

You're hoping for good health from Matt Cassel?

Well, aren't you just precious...

SNR
03-14-2012, 05:07 PM
This place has no idea how to think critically anymore.
We're constantly throwing the baby out with the bathwater now.

The franchise NEVER does anything good now?

Because Soliai, in 24 hours, decided to re-sign with the team he played for JUST LAST YEAR? That's an indictment of this organization?

My God.Alameda Ta'amu is the only NT I want this team even THINKING about taking in this draft. Poe is garbage, and everyone else would be Jerell Powe-type hopefuls but wouldn't present any real solutions.

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:07 PM
3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. This is a "knee-jerk reaction" to the consistent 40+ years of mediocrity.

Once you explain to me how that has anything to do with the news that Soliai is staying with Miami...I'll understand.

Until then...that's some dramatic 12-year old girl bullshit to be upset about.

It's been 25 hours since Free Agency started.
Soliai is the ONLY Free Agent of note we've lost out on.

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:09 PM
That's just the thing, it's not a ****ing knee-jerk reaction.

It's 20+ years of frustration boiling over.

I didn't get to this point overnight, so spare me.

Concessions go up at Arrowhead...
"We haven't won a Superbowl in 40 years!"

ROFL

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:10 PM
Alameda Ta'amu is the only NT I want this team even THINKING about taking in this draft. Poe is garbage, and everyone else would be Jerell Powe-type hopefuls but wouldn't present any real solutions.

I keep hearing that about Poe.
The prevailing thought is that he's a workout warrior who won't produce in a way that justifies a Top 15 pick.

How bad is he?

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:10 PM
Concessions go up at Arrowhead...
"We haven't won a Superbowl in 40 years!"

ROFL

You're just being a moron now.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:11 PM
I keep hearing that about Poe.
The prevailing thought is that he's a workout warrior who won't produce in a way that justifies a Top 15 pick.

How bad is he?

He's got a lazy streak.

He's a physical freak that doesn't appear to have a great motor.

And he's better suited to play in a 1-gap scheme anyway, he's a penetrator more so than an occupier...

BigChiefFan
03-14-2012, 05:12 PM
Offer MORE MONEY... Gee, that's not hard to figure out, Clarkie.

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2012, 05:12 PM
I keep hearing that about Poe.
The prevailing thought is that he's a workout warrior who won't produce in a way that justifies a Top 15 pick.

How bad is he?

12 fucking tackles against Sun Belt teams

SNR
03-14-2012, 05:13 PM
I keep hearing that about Poe.
The prevailing thought is that he's a workout warrior who won't produce in a way that justifies a Top 15 pick.

How bad is he?Conference USA didn't think he was good enough to earn Conference Honors.

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:15 PM
You're just being a moron now.

I know. I went all McAsshole there.

Still, my point stands.
Pioli doesn't have a damn thing to do with the previous 37 year drought.

Let's try to have some perspective here.

If Soliai had gone to, say, Arizona for an under-market deal...sure...be upset.
He went back to the team that drafted him for crying out loud.

We've gotten so use to assigning blame, BECAUSE of that drought, that everything that doesn't work in the Chiefs' favor becomes the GM's fault. That's laughable to me at this point.

I'm no Pioli apologist. There's plenty of criticism he rightly deserves.
I'm also not blind to the positive strides this team has made under this administration.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:17 PM
I keep hearing that about Poe.
The prevailing thought is that he's a workout warrior who won't produce in a way that justifies a Top 15 pick.

How bad is he?

He's this seasons Vernon Gholston.

He's terrible.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:17 PM
I know. I went all McAsshole there.

Still, my point stands.
Pioli doesn't have a damn thing to do with the previous 37 year drought.

No he doesn't. But he does have the power to change it and so far hasn't done SHIT.

Pioli was a 3-time executive of the decade in New England. He comes here and 3 year in, NOTHING has changed.

Is it Clark then? If it is, then shame on Pioli for allowing himself to be controlled like that. There's no way for Pioli to NOT take the blame.

BigChiefFan
03-14-2012, 05:17 PM
So...this is where we stand in FA?

Very impressive. Not one GD position addressed and the CB position takes a step back.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 05:22 PM
Except that he's not a real NT. Did you even read what I wrote?

one gap two gap who gives a shit the dude looks pretty good

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:22 PM
one gap two gap who gives a shit the dude looks pretty good

ROFL

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:22 PM
No he doesn't. But he does have the power to change it and so far hasn't done SHIT.

Here's where you lose me.

Re-signing four of the key players drafted from the previous regime qualifies as SHIT?

Drafting Berry, Lewis, Moeaki, Asamoah, Hudson, Houston, Baldwin, Bailey, Succop and Arenas qualifies as SHIT?

Signing Steve Breaston and Stanford Routt qualifies as SHIT?

whoman69
03-14-2012, 05:23 PM
Soliai re-signed with the team he played for in 2011.
That's Pioli's fault?

Orton is a marginal improvement over Cassel who opted to hold a clipboard rather than compete for a starting job.
That's Pioli's fault?

Carr just got 25% more, PER YEAR, than Brandon Flowers.
That's Pioli's fault?

What other key players has this organization allowed to leave?
Don't worry...I'll wait.

Pioli promised a QB competition this year. That is a lie unless he can pull a rabbit out of his hat to get Manning. None of the QBs left are real competition.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 05:23 PM
and im not buying the whole lack of effort thing. his combine was off the charts

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 05:25 PM
Drafting Berry, Lewis, Moeaki, Asamoah, Hudson, Houston, Baldwin, Bailey, Succop and Arenas qualifies as SHIT?



Really? Crowning them after 1 year (other than Succop and Arenas)?

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:26 PM
Pioli promised a QB competition this year. That is a lie unless he can pull a rabbit out of his hat to get Manning. None of the QBs left are real competition.

Legitimate criticism.

Though I think there are a few QB's available who are at least comparable, talent-wise, to Cassel.

And there's always the Draft.

If, come August, the best competition available is Stanzi...touche.
As of right now? I'm willing to reserve judgment.

whoman69
03-14-2012, 05:26 PM
Here's where you lose me.

Re-signing four of the key players drafted from the previous regime qualifies as SHIT?

Drafting Berry, Lewis, Moeaki, Asamoah, Hudson, Houston, Baldwin, Bailey, Succop and Arenas qualifies as SHIT?

Signing Steve Breaston and Stanford Routt qualifies as SHIT?

Nobody is saying he hasn't added talent to this team. That talent is wasted without a QB to lead them. This year, he has done nothing after promising QB competition. Matt Cassel had a team coming off a perfect regular season and couldn't even get them to the playoffs. He has never beat a team with more than 9 wins in a season.

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 05:27 PM
Soliai got 2 years and $18 million.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:28 PM
Here's where you lose me.

Re-signing four of the key players drafted from the previous regime qualifies as SHIT?

Drafting Berry, Lewis, Moeaki, Asamoah, Hudson, Houston, Baldwin, Bailey, Succop and Arenas qualifies as SHIT?

Signing Steve Breaston and Stanford Routt qualifies as SHIT?

In 3 years? Yeah - it kinda does.

Everyone gets draft picks. Just go chalk off Mel Kiper's draft board and you'll manage to hit on a few of them; probably as many or more as Pioli has over that timeframe.

To take the talent he inherited and spin his wheels for 3 years with it - yeah, that absolutely qualifies as SHIT.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:29 PM
Soliai got 2 years and $18 million.

Thank God we didn't touch that figure.

We could never extend Cassel and Jackson if we were to approach that kind of insane, long-term deal.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 05:30 PM
Thank God we didn't touch that figure.

We could never extend Cassel and Jackson if we were to approach that kind of insane, long-term deal.

Now youre thinking

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:30 PM
Really? Crowning them after 1 year (other than Succop and Arenas)?

Berry's already turned in a Pro Bowl season.
Belcher has played two very good seasons and is ascending.
Succop's been good and is ascending.
Lewis is ascending.

Houston, Moeaki, Asamoah all had impressive rookie campaigns.
Can they be crowned? No. But I think two of the three have an excellent career trajectory ahead of them. We're not sure if Moe can stay healthy.

O.city
03-14-2012, 05:30 PM
2 years 18 million.


We could have paid that.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:31 PM
Here's where you lose me.

Re-signing four of the key players drafted from the previous regime qualifies as SHIT?

Re-signing 4 guys that the previous regime drafted, if you want to put it in terms of a performance rating, is "expected". I'm not going to give him credit for doing what he's supposed to do.

Drafting Berry

#5 overall pick. I'm not giving anybody credit for a solid top 5 pick, that's not just a Pioli thing.

Lewis

Who? Exactly.

Moeaki

Traded up for a guy that can't stay on the field. Definitely NOT giving him credit for this.

Asamoah

At least he got a start here.

Hudson

I'm not giving him credit for an unknown who can't seem to get on the field unless the shit in front of him gets injured.

Houston

Great pick.

Baldwin, Bailey

WAY too early.

Succop

A kicker? Really?

and Arenas

A nickel CB, in the 2nd. We got BRANDON FLOWERS in the 2nd.

Signing Steve Breaston

Good signing but nothing to write home about.

and Stanford Routt qualifies as SHIT?

Compared to Brandon Carr, absolutely.

And herein lies my point, I could go through Carl Peterson's list of draft picks and do the EXACT SAME THING.

The point is not that Pioli is doing a BAD job, it's that he's NOT doing a GOOD job. He's doing the SAME job that the fuckwad before him did. And it SUCKS.

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 05:31 PM
Don't worry.....we'll wait until his contract is up and he's declining in production. Then we'll sign him and Pioli will talk about how he wanted to bring him in 2 years ago.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 05:31 PM
2 years 18 million.


We could have paid that.

O RLY? would he have accepted that? NO

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:32 PM
As of right now? I'm willing to reserve judgment.

And up until about 15 months ago, so was I. Not anymore, I've had it.

As I said, this isn't a knee-jerk reaction.

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2012, 05:32 PM
Traded up for a guy that can't stay on the field. Definitely NOT giving him credit for this.


Don't forget. Pioli traded up for Moeaki....when he could have stayed put and drafted Jimmy Graham.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 05:33 PM
Don't forget. Pioli traded up for Moeaki....when he could have stayed put and drafted Jimmy Graham.

Or Aaron Hernandez I believe.

L.A. Chieffan
03-14-2012, 05:33 PM
jacksons turning it around guys

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:37 PM
Or Aaron Hernandez I believe.

Or Gronk, had he not taken McCluster.

That would've been a great pick. That would've been worth giving him credit for.

Instead he had to follow the Patriots blueprint (once again ignoring that he remains about 2 years behind them) and chased after his very own tiny little slot WR in McCluster.

I disagree with you - he's absolutely done a BAD job.

BigChiefFan
03-14-2012, 05:38 PM
Here's where you lose me.

Re-signing four of the key players drafted from the previous regime qualifies as SHIT?

Drafting Berry, Lewis, Moeaki, Asamoah, Hudson, Houston, Baldwin, Bailey, Succop and Arenas qualifies as SHIT?

Signing Steve Breaston and Stanford Routt qualifies as SHIT?

16 players out of 53 and six weren't even his picks. So he's added 10 players to the roster worth a damn through the draft AND FA. That's an average of three players a season for the BOTH the DRAFT and FA.


At this rate, by year twelve we should be a complete team, just in time to start all over.

The players you mention count for 30% of the roster, what about the other 70% he's responsible for?

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:41 PM
In 3 years? Yeah - it kinda does.

Everyone gets draft picks. Just go chalk off Mel Kiper's draft board and you'll manage to hit on a few of them; probably as many or more as Pioli has over that timeframe.

To take the talent he inherited and spin his wheels for 3 years with it - yeah, that absolutely qualifies as SHIT.

Arenas
Asamoah
Belcher
Berry
Houston
Lewis
Moeaki
Succop

Are ALL playing at a high level. ALL but ONE of them is starting.
ALL of them were brought to this organization by Pioli.
In three years.

Add in a productive Breaston. A productive Shaun Smith.
A productive Thomas Jones (in year one).
A serviceable Ryan Lilja.
A serviceable Kelly Gregg.

AND retaining the services of the four key players from the last regime.

ALL of that together = SHIT?
Okay...As you were soldier.

DaWolf
03-14-2012, 05:41 PM
2 years 18 million.


We could have paid that.

As could have Denver. Dude probably gauged the interest and decided to stay in Miami, where the weather is better and the taxes are lower...

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:42 PM
16 players out of 53 and six weren't even his picks. So he's added 10 players to the roster worth a damn through the draft AND FA. That's an average of three players a season for the BOTH the DRAFT and FA.


At this rate, by year twelve we should be a complete team, just in time to start all over.

The players you mention count for 30% of the roster, what about the other 70% he's responsible for?

He can't take credit for players drafted prior to his coming to Kansas City, but he DOES deserve credit for retaining them.

I'm not sure why this is even being argued.

CupidStunt
03-14-2012, 05:44 PM
Very surprised by this. I thought for sure Soliai wanted to leave South Beach for KC's 3-year, $4M offer.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:44 PM
Arenas
Asamoah
Belcher
Berry
Houston
Lewis
Moeaki
Succop

Are ALL playing at a high level. ALL but ONE of them is starting.
ALL of them were brought to this organization by Pioli.
In three years.

Add in a productive Breaston. A productive Shaun Smith.
A productive Thomas Jones (in year one).
A serviceable Ryan Lilja.
A serviceable Kelly Gregg.

AND retaining the services of the four key players from the last regime.

ALL of that together = SHIT?
Okay...As you were soldier.

Inheriting 8 pro-bowl caliber players entering the prime of their careers and doing little more than playing .500 football on the strength of a weak schedule = SHIT, yes.

It's all relative - relative to the teams he's competing with, Pioli has simply done less with more.

He's a sub-standard GM. This isn't peewee football; it's the NFL. This guy simply isn't good enough.

O.city
03-14-2012, 05:46 PM
God forbid we don't get a guy on a favorable contract.


The Eagles spent a shit ton last year, guess what, they are after guys again.


I wish they would have agreed in the CBA that they had to spend the whole salary cap. Hunt would have sold the team.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:47 PM
God forbid we don't get a guy on a favorable contract.


The Eagles spent a shit ton last year, guess what, they are after guys again.


I wish they would have agreed in the CBA that they had to spend the whole salary cap. Hunt would have sold the team.

Give it time.

He probably will once he has to start spending 98%.

We can only hope...

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:48 PM
Inheriting 8 pro-bowl caliber players entering the prime of their careers and doing little more than playing .500 football on the strength of a weak schedule = SHIT, yes.

8? Um...Try 4. And NONE of them were playing as well prior to this administration taking over for this franchise.

BigMeatballDave
03-14-2012, 05:49 PM
That sucks

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 05:49 PM
8? Um...Try 4. And NONE of them were playing as well prior to this administration taking over for this franchise.

Stop. Did Hali have 8 1/2 sacks his rookie year and lead the team in sacks? Bowe's numbers were excellent as well.

carlos3652
03-14-2012, 05:55 PM
Stop. Did Hali have 8 1/2 sacks his rookie year and lead the team in sacks?

Jared Allen

BigChiefFan
03-14-2012, 05:56 PM
He can't take credit for players drafted prior to his coming to Kansas City, but he DOES deserve credit for retaining them.

I'm not sure why this is even being argued.

It's not. You brought them up, bro.

The point is, only 30% of the team is complete based on his decisions and using your numbers. That's not much to hang your hat on, three years in.

We don't even have a starting NT and we are in year FOUR of moving to the 3-4.

Zero depth behind Charles. Zilch.

Three years of shit at FB, going on four.

Three years of shit at RT.

New OC every year under his watch.

The list goes on and on. When exactly do we start holding him responsible?

Micjones
03-14-2012, 05:57 PM
Stop. Did Hali have 8 1/2 sacks his rookie year and lead the team in sacks? Bowe's numbers were excellent as well.

Hali's first four years = 27 sacks
His last two? 26.5

Bowe's first three years = 2,400 yards, 16 TD's
Bowe's last two = 2,300 yards, 20 TD's

Come on man.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 05:58 PM
8? Um...Try 4. And NONE of them were playing as well prior to this administration taking over for this franchise.

Flowers
Bowe
DJ
Hali
Charles
Carr
Albert

I'm sorry Albert isn't quite Willie Roaf - but he's a damn good LT.

But you're right; he was only given seven emerging young players, the poor bastard.

He started with more young talent than most GMs are ever going to start with. He's managed to do absolutely nothing with it.

But keep making excuses for him. He'll have a nice ten-year run of .500 football as long as fans like you are willing to give him a pass for every 3 year run of barely adequate performance he's able to put together.

Hoover
03-14-2012, 05:59 PM
Bowes Numbers shock the shit out of me with Cassel tossing him the ball.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 06:00 PM
Hali's first four years = 27 sacks
His last two? 26.5

Bowe's first three years = 2,400 yards, 16 TD's
Bowe's last two = 2,300 yards, 20 TD's

Come on man.

You're not honestly asking us to give him credit for the fact that young players got better as they hit their prime physical years, are you?

Surely that's not the case...

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 06:00 PM
Jared Allen

Had fewer sacks than Tamba Hali in Hali's rookie season.

Tamba was also 2nd or 3rd in the league in forced fumbles that year.

Micjones
03-14-2012, 06:01 PM
It's not. You brought them up, bro.

The point is, only 30% of the team is complete based on his decisions and using your numbers. That's not much to hang your hat on, three years in.

We don't even have a starting NT and we are in year FOUR of moving to the 3-4.

Zero depth behind Charles. Zilch.

Three years of shit at FB, going on four.

Three years of shit at RT.

New OC every year under his watch.

The list goes on and on. When exactly do we start holding him responsible?

Okay. I guess there's nothing else I can say.
8 players ALL playing at a high level.
Two high-grade FA's. Retaining four of the previous regimes previous players.
I can't overlook all of that.

Has he failed to identify a QB who can help this team contend? Absolutely.
Has he botched his Head Coaching hires? Absolutely.
Did he give Cassel a contract too soon? Absolutely.
Looks like he missed on Jackson big time.

He deserves criticism, but to say he's done nothing is asinine.

Marco Polo
03-14-2012, 06:02 PM
Playing under the franchise tag in 2011, Soliai graded out as the league's 38th best defensive tackle by Pro Football Focus.

Micjones
03-14-2012, 06:03 PM
You're not honestly asking us to give him credit for the fact that young players got better as they hit their prime physical years, are you?

Surely that's not the case...

No, that credit should go to the coaching staff.
But again, he did have presence of mind to lock those players up WHILE they were still ascending. In a couple cases, early, and cheaper than it would've been under different circumstances.

jspchief
03-14-2012, 06:04 PM
Call it knee jerk, but the reality is we have a very real NT problem. We currently have a sophmore with 7 snaps of experience and a situational NT.

The draft is severely lacking quality NTs, particularly the style that we need. Besides, its incredibly risky to go in with a rookie as our only option.

The FA market is limited. Soliai should have been a very high priority. At what point does a team put for the extra effort/money to get a guy they need?

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 06:04 PM
Okay. I guess there's nothing else I can say.
8 players ALL playing at a high level.
Two high-grade FA's. Retaining four of the previous regimes previous players.
I can't overlook all of that.

Has he failed to identify a QB who can help this team contend? Absolutely.
Has he botched his Head Coaching hires? Absolutely.
Did he give Cassel a contract too soon? Absolutely.
Looks like he missed on Jackson big time.

He deserves criticism, but to say he's done nothing is asinine.

Nobody bats .000.

Like I said - it's all relative. He's been a bad general manager in relation to those people that he needs to actually be better than to win a championship.

carlos3652
03-14-2012, 06:05 PM
Had fewer sacks than Tamba Hali in Hali's rookie season.

Tamba was also 2nd or 3rd in the league in forced fumbles that year.

No I know, I was saying, that the reason Tamba did so well was that jared was on the other side, commanding double, triple teams..

Micjones
03-14-2012, 06:06 PM
Flowers
Bowe
DJ
Hali
Charles
Carr
Albert

I'm sorry Albert isn't quite Willie Roaf - but he's a damn good LT.

But you're right; he was only given seven emerging young players, the poor bastard.

He started with more young talent than most GMs are ever going to start with. He's managed to do absolutely nothing with it.

But keep making excuses for him. He'll have a nice ten-year run of .500 football as long as fans like you are willing to give him a pass for every 3 year run of barely adequate performance he's able to put together.

So he showed up and this team had talent.
No one is arguing that point.

The team is MORE talented under his watch.
To deny that is to be dishonest.

To further deny that he recognized what he had and made sure he kept those players around is even more ridiculous.

Especially since there is also value in managing the talent you have.
If there weren't...NOBODY could say anything about Carr being gone.

Setsuna
03-14-2012, 06:06 PM
Why are you here? Not being a dick, just out of curiosity.

It's complicated.

CoMoChief
03-14-2012, 06:07 PM
Ah yes......year #4 in a 3-4, still haven't addressed the most important position on the defense.

You'd think that the FO wouldn't be this incompetent. I guess they're just people too, and are just a lot fuckin dumber than I thought.

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 06:07 PM
Hali's first four years = 27 sacks
His last two? 26.5

Bowe's first three years = 2,400 yards, 16 TD's
Bowe's last two = 2,300 yards, 20 TD's

Come on man.

Bowe's first two years are comparable to any "great" WR.

Bowe: 156 rec, 2017 yards, 12 TD
A. Johnson: 145 rec, 2118 yards, 10 TD
Fitz: 161 rec, 2189 and 18 TD

jspchief
03-14-2012, 06:07 PM
Playing under the franchise tag in 2011, Soliai graded out as the league's 38th best defensive tackle by Pro Football Focus.

Based on what? Not every team uses a NT the same way, and a NT probably doesn't "measure" well compared to a 4-3 DT.

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 06:08 PM
No I know, I was saying, that the reason Tamba did so well was that jared was on the other side, commanding double, triple teams..

Neither guy had any help whatsoever on the interior of the line.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 06:10 PM
To further deny that he recognized what he had and made sure he kept those players around is even more ridiculous.

Who denied that?

I'm denying him to give him credit for something ANYBODY COULD HAVE DONE.

He's supposed to be the 3-time Executive of the Decade. Instead, it's like Carl Peterson never left.

DJ's left nut
03-14-2012, 06:10 PM
So he showed up and this team had talent.
No one is arguing that point.

The team is MORE talented under his watch.
To deny that is to be dishonest.

To further deny that he recognized what he had and made sure he kept those players around is even more ridiculous.

Especially since there is also value in managing the talent you have.
If there weren't...NOBODY could say anything about Carr being gone.

It's marginally more talented because it was full of old guys around those good young players. But most of the true talent was already here.

And he paid market for most of the guys he retained. He got DJ a little under value and he got Charles for under-value. But Hali and Flowers are making what the market said they should - so what credit should he get for that? It's like being impressed when someone buys a car for the sticker price.

He has 2 good contracts and 1 good draft decision (the trade down/Houston pickup); everything else was simply average or below. Things like Berry were just the thing to be done. And guys you're pointing to like Arenas were terrible values.

You keep wanting to give him credit for average performance and I just don't see why. The average stuff just disappears in the wash. So then it's time to start looking to the poles - things like weighing the Cassel debacle off the Charles extension; the Jackson pick off the Houston pick. The McClusterfuck vs...well I'm sure there's something else decent he did.

On balance - he's done a poor job.

htismaqe
03-14-2012, 06:10 PM
Based on what? Not every team uses a NT the same way, and a NT probably doesn't "measure" well compared to a 4-3 DT.

Exactly.

Mr. Laz
03-14-2012, 06:30 PM
miami going back to a 4-3 ... maybe Soliai didn't want to be a NT anymore.

the Talking Can
03-14-2012, 06:39 PM
Soliai got 2 years and $18 million.

here's how it works on the planet

1. we don't sign Carr even though we have 30+ million
2. someone points out what a cheap fuck Clark is
3. board cries "we didn't sign Carr so we can sign Orton and Soliai you moron!" "Pioli promised we'd have a QB competition, so take that!"
4. We don't sign Orton
5. We don't sign Soliai
6. We still have 30+ million
7. board cries "we were never going to sign them, they suck and are over priced, great job Pioli!!"

8. Clark dives into his pool made of money and no playoff wins

Chiefnj2
03-14-2012, 06:53 PM
Only 6 mil of his contract is guaranteed. KC couldn't have doubled that?

Easy 6
03-14-2012, 09:25 PM
wow. one guy resigns WITH HIS OLD TEAM and its the end of the ****ing world

One guy who was there for the taking, one guy who was prototype for his position, one guy with a proven record, one guy this team desperately needs to put the defense over the top, one guy who doesnt need two or three years seasoning.

One ****ing guy, who should've been a KC Chief... Routt & Hillis... Pioli-Hunt can suck my ****ing taint.

If they cant luck into the next Tom Brady, we're completely ****ed.

edit - and you cant even count Routt, we let a better player go to GET him... so, its really just Hillis.

mcaj22
03-14-2012, 09:27 PM
and John Carlson was our day 1 visit over this guy?

i still cant figure that one out

BigChiefFan
03-14-2012, 09:35 PM
Only 6 mil of his contract is guaranteed. KC couldn't have doubled that?

You're shitting me?

Easy 6
03-14-2012, 09:46 PM
You're shitting me?

*pioli takes you aside for a father/son type talk* - Nope, he's not... ya see son, the Chiefs simply cant afford to mortgage the future on a guy who only has seven or eight productive years left, what we'll do is get two cheap guys who, put together, are almost as perfect for that spot.

O.city
03-14-2012, 09:53 PM
Well, this one really hurts. I had this guy targeted all season.


He gave the Phins a hometown discount supposedly. I guess he really likes it there.

BigChiefFan
03-14-2012, 09:56 PM
*pioli takes you aside for a father/son type talk* - Nope, he's not... ya see son, the Chiefs simply cant afford to mortgage the future on a guy who only has seven or eight productive years left, what we'll do is get two cheap guys who, put together, are almost as perfect for that spot.

Clark Hunt is cheap-skate, as well. I can't stand that POS, who doesn't try to compete. Petyton Hillis on one year deal and I'm supposed to get excited after losing Carr. Fuck them in their shit for brains.

Easy 6
03-14-2012, 10:38 PM
Clark Hunt is cheap-skate, as well. I can't stand that POS, who doesn't try to compete. Petyton Hillis on one year deal and I'm supposed to get excited after losing Carr. **** them in their shit for brains.

More i think about, more i'm liking the Hillis signing, everyone knows the ifs involved, but he does bring real potential & on paper atleast, is the perfect masherback to compliment Charles.

But its definitely not enough in my eyes either, it doesnt make up for the long list of could've hads... its not like KC fans want a huge, stupid spree... but atleast spend SOME of it on SOMEONE worthy of the money & is able to immediately impact games, besides Hillis.

In my book losing Carr & getting a good rb is a wash at best, basically, nothing has changed, no better off so far than 2011's team, Pioli must be banking his life on one helluva draft... or not, it may be that he & Hunt are long lost cheapskate blood brothers, on the same page before they even met.

TRR
03-14-2012, 10:47 PM
God forbid we don't get a guy on a favorable contract.


The Eagles spent a shit ton last year, guess what, they are after guys again.


I wish they would have agreed in the CBA that they had to spend the whole salary cap. Hunt would have sold the team.

The Eagles don't even have one FA visit lined up.
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