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Direckshun
03-15-2012, 02:16 PM
Manning shows up to Tennessee for training camp is perfect shape and seemingly perfectly healthy. The Titans anticipate playing him for the next three years.

Which makes the 1st rounder they spent on Jake Locker seem like a waste of a pick.

So Scott Pioli and the Chiefs finally bring in a QB of the future by trading this year's 2nd, next year's 2nd, and another pick in 2013 based on performance, for Jake Locker.

Locker pushes Cassel for the starting position in 2012, and takes over in 2013.

He will be 24 years old by that time.

KCrockaholic
03-15-2012, 02:17 PM
I'm for it.

KCtotheSB
03-15-2012, 02:18 PM
No deal. Let's see what this Matt Cassel guy has got first.

Big Chief Homer
03-15-2012, 02:20 PM
Never happens,Pioli never cheats on his wife. Locker would be a good mistress but Scotty loves him some Matty.

I voted yes.

mnchiefsguy
03-15-2012, 02:20 PM
I would do the deal, although I would try to maybe get Locker for a 2nd, a 3rd, and have the last pick based on performance ...but not to exceed another 2nd.

SuperChief
03-15-2012, 02:21 PM
Locker isn't ideal, blah blah blah. Fuck it. Just do something different. Give the kid a shot. What have we got to lose?

SNR
03-15-2012, 02:22 PM
Locker isn't worth that much. Tennessee's the one who drove down his value, so they should be willing to accept less.

That said, if it's really the only option we have of building on a young QB with promising talent, I guess I'll take it up the ass on that deal.

Again, at least we'd be trying. :facepalm:

carlos3652
03-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Id rather draft a QB in the first round of 2013 -
Id rather sign the other Matt from the Titans on a 1 year deal. Use my round 2 pick on a NT

KurtCobain
03-15-2012, 02:24 PM
Locker should Cost atleast a first. I was thinking hasselbeck is the more realistic version.

T-post Tom
03-15-2012, 02:24 PM
What does next year's crop of QB draftees look like?

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2012, 02:24 PM
Flopnuts just JIHP.

Direckshun
03-15-2012, 02:25 PM
I would do the deal, although I would try to maybe get Locker for a 2nd, a 3rd, and have the last pick based on performance ...but not to exceed another 2nd.

I don't know... you're asking for a guy the Titans invested with a Top 10 pick, then looked pretty damn good in limited time. Plus he's gotten Hasselbeck training directly for the past year. It's going to be a little painful to get him.

He's going to require a cost.

I'm thinking something like this might get the deal done:
This year's 2nd. 2013's 2nd. conditional pick in 2013:
-- If he doesn't suit up in 2012, it's a 5th.
-- If he starts at least two games, it's a 4th.
-- If he starts at least eight games, it's a 3rd.
-- If he starts every game, OR throws for 3,500 yards, OR the team wins nine games with him under center, it's a 1st.

htismaqe
03-15-2012, 02:26 PM
I wouldn't trade a single pick for Jake Locker. Not one.

Rooster
03-15-2012, 02:28 PM
At this point I'm all for letting Zorn QB for a season.

Ebolapox
03-15-2012, 02:31 PM
I don't know... you're asking for a guy the Titans invested with a Top 10 pick, then looked pretty damn good in limited time. Plus he's gotten Hasselbeck training directly for the past year. It's going to be a little painful to get him.

He's going to require a cost.

I'm thinking something like this might get the deal done:
This year's 2nd. 2013's 2nd. conditional pick in 2013:
-- If he doesn't suit up in 2012, it's a 5th.
-- If he starts at least two games, it's a 4th.
-- If he starts at least eight games, it's a 3rd.
-- If he starts every game, OR throws for 3,500 yards, OR the team wins nine games with him under center, it's a 1st.

fuck no on the last condition. this would be more palatable:

-- If he doesn't suit up in 2012, it's a 6th.
-- If he starts at least two games, it's a 5th.
-- If he starts at least eight games, it's a 4th.
-- If he starts every game, OR throws for 3,500 yards, OR the team wins nine games with him under center, it's a 3rd.

AustinChief
03-15-2012, 02:33 PM
I wouldn't trade a single pick for Jake Locker. Not one.

I might be willing to forfeit a 5th or 6th round pick just to keep him OFF our team. Do not want.

Fritz88
03-15-2012, 02:34 PM
Gimmie Hassellback.

Rooster
03-15-2012, 02:37 PM
Gimmie Hassellback.

I could see him going to Cleveland. Hassellback and Holgram with one last ride.

BoneKrusher
03-15-2012, 02:37 PM
At this point I'm all for letting Zorn QB for a season.

this would be an Upgrade fo sho.

suds79
03-15-2012, 02:40 PM
I wouldn't trade a single pick for Jake Locker. Not one.

This. I saw that guy in college several times.

Matt Cassel thinks this guy can't throw the ball. He's more athlete IMO than QB.

HemiEd
03-15-2012, 02:40 PM
Id rather draft a QB in the first round of 2013 -
Id rather sign the other Matt from the Titans on a 1 year deal. Use my round 2 pick on a NT

By the time that QB is ready, you will have missed the window with the core talent of this team. It is a shame, but now is the time, in fact it is getting late.

notorious
03-15-2012, 02:44 PM
Locker isn't that great.

Bump
03-15-2012, 02:46 PM
What does next year's crop of QB draftees look like?



we will be drafting 10 - 15 so it doesnt really matter, our team is good enough to win 7- 9 games regardless of QB

KC_Lee
03-15-2012, 02:46 PM
By the time that QB is ready, you will have missed the window with the core talent of this team. It is a shame, but now is the time, in fact it is getting late.

The more things change...

Direckshun
03-15-2012, 02:47 PM
we will be drafting 10 - 15 so it doesnt really matter, our team is good enough to win 7- 9 games regardless of QB

The Redskins are? You think so?

HemiEd
03-15-2012, 02:47 PM
Locker isn't that great.

His owner sure must not think much of him.

If Clark did that to Matt Cassel, Cassel wouldn't even be able to put his hat on without dropping it.

HemiEd
03-15-2012, 02:48 PM
The more things change...

Pretty much. It is getting to the point, you really don't have to watch anymore, you know what is going to happen.

whoman69
03-15-2012, 02:50 PM
I don't think that Locker is that smart. He's going to get hurt out there in the NFL playing like he did in college. He's Brady Quinn.

Direckshun
03-15-2012, 02:51 PM
Is anybody in this thread who's shitting on Locker watch him play for the Titans last year?

Curious minds.

Because he looked pretty damn good. He flashed.

Mojo Jojo
03-15-2012, 02:51 PM
Manning shows up to Tennessee for training camp is perfect shape and seemingly perfectly healthy. The Titans anticipate playing him for the next three years.

Which makes the 1st rounder they spent on Jake Locker seem like a waste of a pick.

So Scott Pioli and the Chiefs finally bring in a QB of the future by trading this year's 2nd, next year's 2nd, and another pick in 2013 based on performance, for Jake Locker.

Locker pushes Cassel for the starting position in 2012, and takes over in 2013.

He will be 24 years old by that time.
Did you mean off season training prior to the draft? Mini Camp and training camp happen after the draft, so the picks would be for 2013 and 2014.

alpha_omega
03-15-2012, 02:52 PM
Gimmie Hassellback.

ROFL...

Don't you mean...."Give him the ball and he's gonna score!"

KC_Lee
03-15-2012, 02:54 PM
Is anybody in this thread who's shitting on Locker watch him play for the Titans last year?

Curious minds.

Because he looked pretty damn good. He flashed.

Yes I did, really had no other choice living outside of Nashville. :thumb:

He looked good when he was playing, and it was not scrub / clean up time. I am on board picking him up if the price were right, again this is all hypothetical.

Rain Man
03-15-2012, 02:56 PM
Why would we pay a premium for what is essentially a rookie QB? If the Titans have a QB glut they should be discounting their overstock. If he was worth a first-rounder last year, he's worth a first-rounder this year minus whatever we talk them down because they wasted a first-rounder on a benchwarmer.

rico
03-15-2012, 03:07 PM
Didn't Locker put up some of if not THE best stats out of all the rookie QBs in the preseason last year (including Cam)? I could be wrong, but I swear I read an article somewhere that compared all rookie QB's preseason performance and he had the most impressive stats.

From what little I saw of him last year (watched a little Titans last year, had Damian Williams starting on my FF team a couple weeks), he appeared to have potential.

Dave Lane
03-15-2012, 03:11 PM
In

Predarat
03-15-2012, 03:15 PM
They say they want to keep him, and Manning will be a 2 or 3 year thing, but Lockers contract is 3 more years.

the Talking Can
03-15-2012, 03:21 PM
Manning's neck is bolted on and the nerve in his throwing arm has duct tape on it

they'd be crazy to get rid of locker

rico
03-15-2012, 03:22 PM
Preseason Stats from Rookies Last Year

Cam Newton [#1 overall]:: 24-57 (42.1%) (12th), 300 yards (7th), 5.3 YPA (10th), 1 TD (T-3rd), 0 INT (T-1st), 64.9 Rating (7th)

Jake Locker [#8 overall]: 32-49 (65.3%) (1st), 316 yards (6th), 6.4 YPA (4th), 2 TDs (T-1st), 1 INT (T-4th), 88.5 Rating (1st)

Blaine Gabbert [#10 overall]: 35-70 (50.0%) (9th), 365 yards (2nd), 5.2 YPA (11th), 1 TD (T-3rd), 1 INT (T-4th), 64.3 Rating (8th)

Christian Ponder [#12 overall]: 27-49 (55.1%) (7th), 290 yards (8th), 5.9 YPA (6th), 1 TD (T-3rd), 0 INT (T-1st), 79.5 Rating (3rd)

Andy Dalton [#35 overall]: 36-60 (60.0%) (4th), 328 yards (5th), 5.5 YPA (9th), 1 TD (T-3rd), 3 INT (T-10th), 59.6 Rating (10th)

Colin Kaepernick [#36 overall]: 24-50 (48.0%) (11th), 257 yards (9th), 5.1 YPA (12th), 0 TD (T-10th), 5 INT (12th), 23.9 Rating (12th)

Ryan Mallett [#74 overall]: 36-63 (57.1%) (5th), 357 yards (3rd), 5.7 YPA (7th), 1 TD (T-3rd), 1 INT (T-4th), 72.0 Rating (4th)

Ricky Stanzi [#135 overall]: 18-34 (52.9%) (8th), 213 yards (10th), 6.3 YPA (5th), 1 TD (T-3rd), 1 INT (T-4th), 69.9 Rating (5th)

T.J. Yates [#152 overall]: 13-26 (50.0%) (10th), 181 yards (11th), 7.0 YPA (2nd), 0 TD (T-10th), 1 INT (T-4th), 56.7 Rating (11th)

Nathan Enderle [#160 overall]: 13-23 (56.5%) (6th), 177 yards (12th), 7.7 YPA (1st), 0 TD T-10th), 1 INT (T-4th), 63.1 Rating (9th)

Tyrod Taylor [#180 overall]: 37-60 (61.7%) (2nd), 408 yards (1st), 6.8 YPA (3rd), 1 TD (T-3rd), 3 INTs (T-10th), 66.5 Rating (6th)

Greg McElroy [#208 overall]: 36-59 (61.0%) (3rd), 335 yards (4th), 5.7 YPA (8th), 2 TDs (T-1st), 0 INT (T-1st), 87.9 Rating (2nd)


Obviously the preseason didn't foreshadow things correctly for some of these guys (I think it's fair to assume that in this draft class, when all is said and done, Cam Newton will be ranked higher than #7 and Dalton higher than #10). But this doesn't hurt the case for Locker. On the other hand though, Ryan Leaf had a relatively decent preseason his rookie year, not to mention, Locker only scored a 20 on his Wonderlic. Lol, how on earth did Akili Smith score a 9 on that thing?

Molitoth
03-15-2012, 03:40 PM
I'd love to have Locker, but I think he could come cheaper than 3 picks.

I think he could be had for a second rounder and a third rounder. The Titans will have Payton manning, and Locker isn't going to want to ride the bench for years.

Bewbies
03-15-2012, 03:43 PM
Manning's neck is bolted on and the nerve in his throwing arm has duct tape on it

they'd be crazy to get rid of locker

Yeah, I don't see them moving him at all.

mnchiefsguy
03-15-2012, 03:58 PM
I don't know... you're asking for a guy the Titans invested with a Top 10 pick, then looked pretty damn good in limited time. Plus he's gotten Hasselbeck training directly for the past year. It's going to be a little painful to get him.

He's going to require a cost.

I'm thinking something like this might get the deal done:
This year's 2nd. 2013's 2nd. conditional pick in 2013:
-- If he doesn't suit up in 2012, it's a 5th.
-- If he starts at least two games, it's a 4th.
-- If he starts at least eight games, it's a 3rd.
-- If he starts every game, OR throws for 3,500 yards, OR the team wins nine games with him under center, it's a 1st.

Make the bolded part ten games, and I would be on board. Ten games would mean a division title in all likely hood (nine probably would, but if PM winds up in Denver, figure a extra win or two will be needed.)

Actually, the number wins would not really matter...if the team got nine wins, odds are he would have thrown for 3500 or started every game, so the escalator would have kicked in.

Der Flöprer
03-15-2012, 05:54 PM
Flopnuts just JIHP.

Fuck yes I did. I took a little abuse the year him and Gabbert came out, but I believed and still do that Locker will be elite in the NFL. We'd be privileged to get him and I'd give up a 1St and a 2md easily. Maybe more. I believe in the kid. Doesn't hurt he's a Husky :D

Garcia Bronco
03-15-2012, 06:12 PM
They have. He's going with the Titans.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-15-2012, 06:25 PM
Ricky Stanzi

Hoover
03-15-2012, 06:32 PM
I'd rather not give up the picks and take a risk on Flynn.

Shit the only thing we do right once in a while is draft.

notorious
03-15-2012, 06:39 PM
What makes you guys think that the disaster from Cleveland as an O-Coordinator and a retread defensive minded coach can develope a QB like Locker.

With a coaching staff, hell yeah I would take a shot, with this staff, no FUCKING way!