PDA

View Full Version : Chiefs *****IF***** Winston signs in KC.


Direckshun
03-16-2012, 11:38 AM
You've got three options.

(a.) Do everything you can to turn your first-rounder this year into a first-rounder in 2013.

Next year's QB crop is strong, and the Chiefs could use maximum flexibility to move around if they see a guy they want.

(b.) Draft DeCastro, and create the best OL in the NFL.

Albert
DeCastro
Hudson
Asamoah
Winston

(c.) Assuming you can't trade down, ignore the shitty value at guard and push for a third passrusher like Nick Perry. The Chiefs can't expect Houston and Hali to remain healthy for all future seasons. They need a no-drop-off backup to come in and keep them in playoff or Super Bowl contention.

Drafting Perry allows him to suck for a year behind Hali/Houston while we develop him. You can never have too many passrushers. Check out how stacked this sub-package is:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=1120

Sofa King
03-16-2012, 11:39 AM
Hey you fucker. I read this thread title thinking we signed him.

We didn't need another fucking thread you selfish jerk.

Wait til we sign him for this shit.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-16-2012, 11:40 AM
Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

bevischief
03-16-2012, 11:41 AM
I agree with both the 2 opening posts. Especially the 2nd one LMAO.

Micjones
03-16-2012, 11:42 AM
Tannehill or trade back.

CoMoChief
03-16-2012, 11:43 AM
Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

Well it is....:rolleyes:

SNR
03-16-2012, 11:44 AM
Well it is....:rolleyes:That's what they say every year.

It never is.

ChiefMojo
03-16-2012, 11:44 AM
Tannehill isn't going to be there at #11. Whomever between Cleveland, Seattle or Miami will select him first.

Okie_Apparition
03-16-2012, 11:47 AM
The line will be smoking, crushing butts into the turf, blocking carcinogens & allowing a smooth stream of mendenhall..shit

Strongside
03-16-2012, 11:47 AM
God damn it. I thought the title said "Winston signs in KC".

noa
03-16-2012, 11:48 AM
What if Winston signs in KC with another team?
Posted via Mobile Device

Direckshun
03-16-2012, 11:48 AM
Fixed.

You illiterate bitches.

pr_capone
03-16-2012, 11:51 AM
Fixed.

You illiterate bitches.

LMAO

RUSH
03-16-2012, 11:52 AM
That's what they say every year.

It never is.

Barkley and Wilson are probably top 5 picks. Both seniors and locks to come out obviously. After that.... Who?

Landry Jones?

Murray and Bray are underclassmen. Can't rely on them coming out.

Not seeing how that's a stronger class.

ChiefGator
03-16-2012, 11:54 AM
Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

This... no doubt.

ChiefsHawk
03-16-2012, 11:55 AM
total a-hole move....thought he signed. left my computer for 20 minutes and this was posted. never again

bevischief
03-16-2012, 11:56 AM
Fixed.

You illiterate bitches.

LMAO

patteeu
03-16-2012, 11:57 AM
It depends on whose first round pick it is on option 1. If it's a team you expect to have a top 5 pick, then I'd go for it. If it's a team you expect to go deep into the playoffs, then no way.

I'm going to assume that you don't have a chance to pick up a 2013 first round pick from a team that's going to suck this year so I'll go with option 2 and take DeCastro.

Sofa King
03-16-2012, 11:57 AM
Can we just merge this thread with the Winston thread, where it BELONGS.

KCChiefsFan88
03-16-2012, 11:59 AM
The Chiefs have been riding the "Well get out franchise QB next year" line since Len Dawson retired.

evolve27
03-16-2012, 12:00 PM
Never heard of Winston besides the cigs, who is he? Our franchise savior?

bevischief
03-16-2012, 12:03 PM
Never heard of Winston besides the cigs, who is he? Our franchise savior?

RT and is only 28 and good.

the Talking Can
03-16-2012, 12:08 PM
A and C are correct

B is for baloney

saphojunkie
03-16-2012, 12:09 PM
That's what they say every year.

It never is.

There were four QB largely considered first round guys.

Luck, RG3, Landry Jones, and Barkley.

Jones and Barkley are back in the water. It immediately makes next year's QB class stronger. There will be at least two QB worthy of top five picks, and possibly more.

Add to that this reality:

This year's teams that needed a QB:

Colts, Chiefs, Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks, Redskins.

This year's answers to those needs:

Colts: Luck
Chiefs: nothing
Browns: Flynn/Tannehill
Dolphins: Flynn/Tannehill
Seahawks: nothing
Redskins: RG3

That means that next year, it will be the Chiefs and the Seahawks with the obvious needs at quarterback, a need SO obvious we will take one in the first round.

Two teams with need vs. 3 or more top QB prospects? I'll take that over four teams fighting for 2 guys.

Oh, and if Tennessee gets Manning, that might shift Locker out. And I think a trade back to Washington State makes a LOT of sense...

The Bad Guy
03-16-2012, 12:11 PM
I think we should keep Hudson at LG and draft a C in the 3rd or later.

I see no reason to expend a first rounder on a guard.

saphojunkie
03-16-2012, 12:11 PM
The Chiefs have been riding the "Well get out franchise QB next year" line since Len Dawson retired.

this is like in the movie, when the hero sees the guy who murdered his parents, and he wants to charge in and kill him.

Then his partner says, "He's surrounded by fifty guards! You'll only be doing him a favor. I know you want revenge, but now isn't the time."

And then the hero swallows his anger and they go back to the van.

Warrior5
03-16-2012, 12:13 PM
RT and is only 28 and good.

He needs a haircut.

the Talking Can
03-16-2012, 12:14 PM
There were four QB largely considered first round guys.

Luck, RG3, Landry Jones, and Barkley.

Jones and Barkley are back in the water. It immediately makes next year's QB class stronger. There will be at least two QB worthy of top five picks, and possibly more.

Add to that this reality:

This year's teams that needed a QB:

Colts, Chiefs, Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks, Redskins.

This year's answers to those needs:

Colts: Luck
Chiefs: nothing
Browns: Flynn/Tannehill
Dolphins: Flynn/Tannehill
Seahawks: nothing
Redskins: RG3

That means that next year, it will be the Chiefs and the Seahawks with the obvious needs at quarterback, a need SO obvious we will take one in the first round.

Two teams with need vs. 3 or more top QB prospects? I'll take that over four teams fighting for 2 guys.

Oh, and if Tennessee gets Manning, that might shift Locker out. And I think a trade back to Washington State makes a LOT of sense...

you have no idea how many teams will be hot for a QB...but there will be several as there always is...injuries, retirements, new coaches, new gms...priorities change

SNR
03-16-2012, 12:21 PM
Barkley and Wilson are probably top 5 picks. Both seniors and locks to come out obviously. After that.... Who?

Landry Jones?

Murray and Bray are underclassmen. Can't rely on them coming out.

Not seeing how that's a stronger class.That's what I just said.

Hog Farmer
03-16-2012, 12:22 PM
This is great news !!!! Now that we have Winston we're unstoppable!

Shaid
03-16-2012, 12:24 PM
I honestly thought the same thing. Give Winston a good contract to get him in and try to turn this years first into a first for next year. At the very least it gives you 2 firsts next year. That gives us a lot of trade up leverage.

If Tannehill falls, grab him. Otherwise, set yourself up to move away from Cassel next year.

Hydrae
03-16-2012, 12:26 PM
I honestly thought the same thing. Give Winston a good contract to get him in and try to turn this years first into a first for next year. At the very least it gives you 2 firsts next year. That gives us a lot of trade up leverage.

If Tannehill falls, grab him. Otherwise, set yourself up to move away from Cassel next year.

I will keep beating this drum up until we use that first round pick this year. I want to use it to get an extra 1st next year so we have the ability to move up for our QBOTF next year instead of settling for Tannehill or Foles this year.

RUSH
03-16-2012, 12:30 PM
That's what I just said.

I know. I was adding to your point.

Dayze
03-16-2012, 12:31 PM
I heard Fescoe say this morning that he hopes we get Winston (which I agree with) so we can use our picks to surround Cassel with more talent.


crappin' you negative.

Rooster
03-16-2012, 12:32 PM
Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

It's a process. A forty year process but a process none the less.

Lightrise
03-16-2012, 12:35 PM
Try to arrange for another first rounder next year...but ONLY if Manning empties Denver's bank account, because if not it'll be the same dang game next year.

Shaid
03-16-2012, 12:38 PM
Try to arrange for another first rounder next year...but ONLY if Manning empties Denver's bank account, because if not it'll be the same dang game next year.

Why would we give a fuck about what Denver does with Manning? We need a franchise QB either way.

Epic Fail 007
03-16-2012, 12:41 PM
Hey you ****er. I read this thread title thinking we signed him.

We didn't need another ****ing thread you selfish jerk.

Wait til we sign him for this shit.

There are reports we are going to sign him today. Plans are to make him one of the highest paid rts.

patteeu
03-16-2012, 12:47 PM
I will keep beating this drum up until we use that first round pick this year. I want to use it to get an extra 1st next year so we have the ability to move up for our QBOTF next year instead of settling for Tannehill or Foles this year.

Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

Setsuna
03-16-2012, 12:49 PM
I'll take direckshun's threads over chiefsandosfan any day. Dude is an attention whore.

Bump
03-16-2012, 12:51 PM
we really need Winston, it's another perfect scenario. One of the biggest weakest links on our team and suddenly one of the top players at that position becomes available. Lol, I'm not confident Pioli or Clark recognizes that.

Rudy lost the toss
03-16-2012, 12:52 PM
This must be the official Winston signs thread. Awesome

Shaid
03-16-2012, 12:53 PM
Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

You don't straight trade. You'd get their 2nd this year and their 1st next year or something similar. And yes, you do need to try and figure out where you think they'd fall next year but that's a crap shoot with most teams.

Hydrae
03-16-2012, 12:54 PM
Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

As long as I get a 2nd this year to go with it.

Sofa King
03-16-2012, 01:00 PM
There are reports we are going to sign him today. Plans are to make him one of the highest paid rts.

I know. I read that in the 15+ page thread dedicated to Winston.


I find it hilarious that a thread about a fucking RT has over 1,400 replies. LMAO

whoman69
03-16-2012, 01:37 PM
Tannehill or trade back.

Not worth it

Direckshun
03-17-2012, 05:51 PM
I'll take direckshun's threads over chiefsandosfan any day. Dude is an attention whore.

Bump. :D

Thig Lyfe
03-17-2012, 11:13 PM
WTF I THOUGHT THE THREAD TITLE MEANT WE HADN'T SIGNED WINSTON YET

KcMizzou
03-17-2012, 11:15 PM
we really need Winston, it's another perfect scenario. One of the biggest weakest links on our team and suddenly one of the top players at that position becomes available. Lol, I'm not confident Pioli or Clark recognizes that.Heh, guess what.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2012, 02:16 AM
WTF I THOUGHT THE THREAD TITLE MEANT WE HADN'T SIGNED WINSTON YET

Direckshun, you prankster.

Dave Lane
03-18-2012, 09:08 AM
Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

And a second this year. That's how that works

patteeu
03-18-2012, 09:19 AM
And a second this year. That's how that works

That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

notorious
03-18-2012, 09:20 AM
That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

No.

patteeu
03-18-2012, 09:24 AM
That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

Let's ignore the player for a second, would anyone trade all the way down to the 24th pick in the 2nd round if Pittsburgh threw in their 2013 1st round pick?

Or the 21st pick in the 2nd round if Tennessee threw in their 2013 1st round pick?

patteeu
03-18-2012, 09:25 AM
No.

That's what I'm thinking too.

unlurking
03-18-2012, 09:33 AM
Might be uncool to be so optimistic, but if we draft around 22+ next year, what will we need to trade in order to jump into the top 3 - 5 to get that franchise QB?

patteeu
03-18-2012, 09:50 AM
Might be uncool to be so optimistic, but if we draft around 22+ next year, what will we need to trade in order to jump into the top 3 - 5 to get that franchise QB?

According to the Draft Value Chart: The rest of the 2013 draft plus the 2014 1st.

In 2009, the New York Jets traded up from 17 to 5: They gave up their 2009 1st (17 overall) and 2nd, and three players (defensive end Kenyon Coleman, quarterback Brett Ratliff and defensive back Abram Elam. Ratliff).

In 2011, the Atlanta Falcons traded up from 26 to 6: They gave up their 2011 1st (26 overall), 2nd, and 4th, and their 2012 1st, 2nd, and 4th.

Saul Good
03-18-2012, 09:54 AM
That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

If Richardson or Tannehill were to still be on the board, I could see it happening.

Dream scenario would be for the Rams to trade us their second this year and their first rounder from the Skins next year to grab Richardson.

Saul Good
03-18-2012, 09:55 AM
According to the Draft Value Chart: The rest of the 2013 draft plus the 2014 1st.

In 2009, the New York Jets traded up from 17 to 5: They gave up their 2009 1st (17 overall) and 2nd, and three players (defensive end Kenyon Coleman, quarterback Brett Ratliff and defensive back Abram Elam. Ratliff).

In 2011, the Atlanta Falcons traded up from 26 to 6: They gave up their 2011 1st (26 overall), 2nd, and 4th, and their 2012 1st, 2nd, and 4th.

Having another first rounder next season totally changes things in that scenario.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 09:57 AM
Might be uncool to be so optimistic, but if we draft around 22+ next year, what will we need to trade in order to jump into the top 3 - 5 to get that franchise QB?

We shouldn't be thinking 3-5. That's going to be damn near impossible.

We should be hoping (and expecting... in my opinion) that this will be a deep QB class where you can jump into the top 10-15.

patteeu
03-18-2012, 10:04 AM
Having another first rounder next season totally changes things in that scenario.

Yes, it would. I'd love it if your dream scenario took place. Turning this year's first into a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st seems like an incredibly remote possibility to me though.

Saul Good
03-18-2012, 11:28 AM
Yes, it would. I'd love it if your dream scenario took place. Turning this year's first into a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st seems like an incredibly remote possibility to me though.

The value of a pick drops by about a pick each season. We would be trading our number 11 for 2 second rounders in that respect. I think that is easily doable. It's probably below chart value, actually.

patteeu
03-18-2012, 12:22 PM
The value of a pick drops by about a pick each season. We would be trading our number 11 for 2 second rounders in that respect. I think that is easily doable. It's probably below chart value, actually.

The reason I think it's a remote possibility is because I don't think anyone will want to trade up to 11. I doubt that Tannehill or Richardson (especially Richardson) drops that far and even if they do, I doubt that the right teams would want to trade up in that way to get either of them. It's not that I think the value is out of whack.

Guru
03-18-2012, 01:32 PM
The reason I think it's a remote possibility is because I don't think anyone will want to trade up to 11. I doubt that Tannehill or Richardson (especially Richardson) drops that far and even if they do, I doubt that the right teams would want to trade up in that way to get either of them. It's not that I think the value is out of whack.

yeah, but with our luck the team we trade with will go deep into the playoffs this year and we will be stuck with a pick in the late 20s instead of the high pick we were hoping for.