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Mr_Tomahawk
03-17-2012, 06:13 PM
With the additions of Routt, Hillis, Boss, and now Winston; do you consider this a successful offseason thus far?


If no...who else would we need to sign (realistically) in order for you to consider it a success?

Tribal Warfare
03-17-2012, 06:15 PM
Missed out on Manning and Soliai which really burns my ass IMO right now KC is breaking even thus far at best.

Flachief58
03-17-2012, 06:15 PM
Looks good sofar. If we only had a better than suck QB

Chocolate Hog
03-17-2012, 06:16 PM
Yes. Filled every hole except QB and NT but to be fair there isn't much out there on either side besides maybe a guy like Garay.

Epic Fail 007
03-17-2012, 06:18 PM
Missed out on Manning and Soliai which really burns my ass IMO right now KC is breaking even thus far at best.
M.r. bobble head manning is no big loss. He will not even finish the season.

Epic Fail 007
03-17-2012, 06:24 PM
Looks good sofar. If we only had a better than suck QB
Lets get past all the bs that gose on around here about cassel.Hes serviceable
no matter what any of you say. There are alot more worse.

Dicky McElephant
03-17-2012, 06:24 PM
I wasn't going to until we signed Quinn. A+ on this side of the fence.

sedated
03-17-2012, 06:27 PM
No. With the cap space we had, to end up with only 1 upgrade seems like a waste. And our QB is still named Matt Cassel.

Seems Clark has succeeded in lowering expectations. After 4 years of doing exactly nothing, we sign one big name and our fan base is ready for a parade.

Easy 6
03-17-2012, 06:27 PM
I'd give it a solid B, Soliai would've bumped it to A+

Direckshun
03-17-2012, 06:37 PM
CB Stanford Routt
RB Peyton Hillis
TE Kevin Boss
OT Eric Winston
QB Brady Quinn

That's a selective, intelligent, careful fleshing out of the roster for a bargain at every position except Winston.

This is an A-.

CupidStunt
03-17-2012, 06:44 PM
A solid, useful defensive player would complete a successful FA period IMO. There are a couple starting ILBs still out there and they're obviously not going to get major coin. There's no reason one shouldn't be a Chief, and that would allow them TRUE flexibility in the draft (other than needing a legit QB and NT at some point this century).

Direckshun
03-17-2012, 06:45 PM
A solid, useful defensive player would complete a successful FA period IMO.

CB Stanford Routt

So, it's a success.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-17-2012, 07:16 PM
A solid, useful defensive player would complete a successful FA period IMO. There are a couple starting ILBs still out there and they're obviously not going to get major coin. There's no reason one shouldn't be a Chief, and that would allow them TRUE flexibility in the draft (other than needing a legit QB and NT at some point this century).

They already have an AllPro ILB and a solid, young, ascending "thumper. Don't see the need TBH.

CupidStunt
03-17-2012, 07:17 PM
So, it's a success.

Obviously meant another, not the 1 signed to replace a better player, equating to no uggrades from last year (and a net loss thus far).

They already have an AllPro ILB and a solid, young, ascending "thumper. Don't see the need TBH.

Belcher is a weak link. 3rd ILB to play a role is fine for him.

NJChiefsFan
03-17-2012, 07:21 PM
If Cassel got traded or cut followed by Pioli saying he realizes KC is a QB away, I would consider this offseason is good as it could possibly get. I could be very happy with a Quinn/Stanzi season if we knew Pioli had his mind dead set on fixing that position.

Bwana
03-17-2012, 07:23 PM
Lets get past all the bs that gose on around here about cassel.Hes serviceable
no matter what any of you say. There are alot more worse.

Is this English? :spock:

lewdog
03-17-2012, 07:24 PM
Is this English? :spock:

His mouth is too filled with poop and his head too filled with rocks.

NJChiefsFan
03-17-2012, 07:24 PM
Lets get past all the bs that gose on around here about cassel.Hes serviceable
no matter what any of you say. There are alot more worse.

What is your goal, for us to win a SB or not have the "worst" QB? Check out the SB's the past 8 plus yrs. Serviceable doesn't do it. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Micjones
03-17-2012, 07:25 PM
CB Stanford Routt
RB Peyton Hillis
TE Kevin Boss
OT Eric Winston
QB Brady Quinn

That's a selective, intelligent, careful fleshing out of the roster for a bargain at every position except Winston.

This is an A-.

Agreed.

milkman
03-17-2012, 07:32 PM
Obviously meant another, not the 1 signed to replace a better player, equating to no uggrades from last year (and a net loss thus far).



Belcher is a weak link. 3rd ILB to play a role is fine for him.

Belcher has taken a step up with each succeeding season.

He's progressing at pace similar to Brandon Carr progress at CB, yet like Brandon Carr, there's always some dumbass that thinks we need to upgrade.

milkman
03-17-2012, 07:34 PM
I agree with Direckshun.

This is the way you should use free agency.

Build your core through the draft and find key role players in free agency.

But we still need to fix the QB position.

whoman69
03-17-2012, 07:49 PM
Routt is a downgrade at corner. Not convinced Hillis wants to play football. Winston and Boss are good signings. Add Mike Tolbert and you have a pretty good haul. Its all trumped by a fail at bringing in a real QB.

whoman69
03-17-2012, 07:57 PM
Lets get past all the bs that gose on around here about cassel.Hes serviceable
no matter what any of you say. There are alot more worse.

Those who are worse should be backups, like Matt Cassel should be a backup. He is not serviceable. He doesn't get the ball to his receivers where they can get extra yardage. He goes from primary receiver to check down with no progressions between. He has a weak arm with no deep ball. He cannot move his protections to cut down on sacks. Not even close to serviceable.

Simply Red
03-17-2012, 07:59 PM
Peyton Manning

splatbass
03-17-2012, 08:00 PM
Too early to tell. Plenty of time left in FA. I like it so far.

rico
03-17-2012, 08:01 PM
Routt is a downgrade at corner. Not convinced Hillis wants to play football. Winston and Boss are good signings. Add Mike Tolbert and you have a pretty good haul. Its all trumped by a fail at bringing in a real QB.

I am glad they signed Hillis for only a year... I am not convinced that he wants to play football anymore either, but I do think he wants to be paid following next season.

Lightrise
03-17-2012, 08:03 PM
Agreed.

I'm starting to think it may well be possible for Tannehill to fall to us in the first, and there are still opportunites to get another qb. If Stanzi is not progressing as we hope, or its possible to get someone to replace Quinn I think you do it. The Decastro option will always be there. I think they will take another qb somewhere in the draft.

hometeam
03-17-2012, 08:08 PM
It must be viewed as a success. Not only did we sign depth and starters, the reports are that all of our injured players are coming back.

The only thing that really got boned is Routt over Carr, but I dont see how the team can be worse off overall.

Warrior5
03-17-2012, 08:37 PM
Too early to tell. Plenty of time left in FA. I like it so far.

Exactly... FA ain't over yet.

milkman
03-17-2012, 08:40 PM
Too early to tell. Plenty of time left in FA. I like it so far.

I really think you have to be smart in free agency by not going overboard.

I'd like to pick up Geoff Schwartz after these signings, but I wouldn't want to do much beyond that.

And if we do nothing else, I still think this free agency period has been a successful one.

O.city
03-17-2012, 09:13 PM
Great period. Filled some serious holes for basically peanuts.


Pioli has done a great job trimming the fat so to speak of the roster.


Two years ago our 53 player was someone like Mays. Now it's possibly Andy Studebaker, who is a great special teams/role player.


Pretty solid job/

Bowser
03-17-2012, 09:14 PM
I wasn't going to until we signed Quinn. A+ on this side of the fence.

LMAO

You fucking Domer Homer.

Frazod
03-17-2012, 09:14 PM
Is Cassel still the quarterback? Then no.

KcMizzou
03-17-2012, 09:17 PM
I am glad they signed Hillis for only a year... I am not convinced that he wants to play football anymore either, but I do think he wants to be paid following next season.Exactly. Whatever he has left, he's gonna be all in for that next contract. And It's hard for me to believe that he won't give us more than Jones did last season.

O.city
03-17-2012, 09:30 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing a Hillis meets (insert ILB) in the hole after getting a 4 yard headstart.

tredadda
03-17-2012, 09:35 PM
I would have to say yes although I am still upset over the loss of Carr. At least we got Routt to somewhat offset his loss. If we would get a NT and possibly Tolbert then I would say this FA period is a huge success. To me Manning won't come to KC for reasons that are his own and may or may not have to do with Pioli. So unless he comes out and says it I have to assume we never were really in the running for Manning

KcMizzou
03-17-2012, 09:38 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing a Hillis meets (insert ILB) in the hole after getting a 4 yard headstart.This is a one season opportunity to revive his NFL career. If this season goes like the last, he may not get another chance. He'll be motivated for sure.

Bowser
03-17-2012, 09:39 PM
This is a one season opportunity to revive his NFL career. If this season goes like the last, he may not get another chance. He'll be motivated for sure.

You can say that about all of our free agents so far. They've either all been injured, coming off injury, or were the most penalized at their position. If this lot can't get motivated, then we're fucked.

Bowser
03-17-2012, 09:40 PM
That being said, I'm getting more excited. If only Cassel wasn't an all world buzzkill......

</post>
03-17-2012, 09:42 PM
A grade. But I'm more stoked about flexibility it gives us in the draft. If we can pull some of that New England bullshit this year and acquire some ammunition for next year's draft. Maybe, just maybe Pioli finally makes a move for a legitimate QB prospect.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-17-2012, 09:44 PM
So we signed a blocking TE that drops passes. We signed a RB/FB that Madden cursed after a one hit wonder season. We picked up an EXCELLENT water Buffalo that is probably the best in hthe league at his position. We downgraded at CB. We picked up a 1St round bust for that QB competition we were promised. No. I'm not happy, or excited. BUT THANKS FOR SPENDING SUM MONEYZ GUIZS! Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. we've done nothing to address the most important position on the field.

-King-
03-17-2012, 09:49 PM
So we signed a blocking TE that drops passes. We signed a RB/FB that Madden cursed after a one hit wonder season. We picked up an EXCELLENT water Buffalo that is probably the best in hthe league at his position. We downgraded at CB. We picked up a 1St round bust for that QB competition we were promised. No. I'm not happy, or excited. BUT THANKS FOR SPENDING SUM MONEYZ GUIZS! Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. we've done nothing to address the most important position on the field.

Well we did, but it doesn't look like Peyton is as smart as everybody thought. The Chiefs and the 49ers are by far his best options. If he doesn't choose one of the two, he really doesn't care about winning.

Okie_Apparition
03-17-2012, 09:51 PM
Need a new old white safety

KC Tattoo
03-17-2012, 09:53 PM
Ask this again after week 8.

KcMizzou
03-17-2012, 09:55 PM
Need a new old slow white safetyFYP

whoman69
03-17-2012, 11:27 PM
No. With the cap space we had, to end up with only 1 upgrade seems like a waste. And our QB is still named Matt Cassel.

Seems Clark has succeeded in lowering expectations. After 4 years of doing exactly nothing, we sign one big name and our fan base is ready for a parade.

This is spot on. Matt Cassel makes this a fail.

tredadda
03-17-2012, 11:56 PM
No. With the cap space we had, to end up with only 1 upgrade seems like a waste. And our QB is still named Matt Cassel.

Seems Clark has succeeded in lowering expectations. After 4 years of doing exactly nothing, we sign one big name and our fan base is ready for a parade.

Problem with that assessment is that outside of Peyton, there were no good FA QBs to be had. There never are. No one knows why Peyton did not choose us. It might be because of Pioli or it could be something totally different. We will have to draft Cassel's replacement and we blew a shot at it this year, so hopefully we won't make the same mistake next year.

jd1020
03-17-2012, 11:59 PM
Well we did, but it doesn't look like Peyton is as smart as everybody thought. The Chiefs and the 49ers are by far his best options. If he doesn't choose one of the two, he really doesn't care about winning.

Peyton has nothing left to prove. I wouldn't care about winning either. I'd want to go somewhere where I'd enjoy ending my career.

milkman
03-18-2012, 12:03 AM
This is spot on. Matt Cassel makes this a fail.

Generally speaking, if you're looking for your QB in free agency, then you're looking in the wrong place.

Pioli has done a good job in filling holes in this free agency period.

-King-
03-18-2012, 12:04 AM
Peyton has nothing left to prove. I wouldn't care about winning either. I'd want to go somewhere where I'd enjoy ending my career.

He has to prove that he's not a playoff choker.

jd1020
03-18-2012, 12:05 AM
He has to prove that he's not a playoff choker.

He has a SB ring....

KCDC
03-18-2012, 12:06 AM
CB Stanford Routt
RB Peyton Hillis
TE Kevin Boss
OT Eric Winston
QB Brady Quinn

That's a selective, intelligent, careful fleshing out of the roster for a bargain at every position except Winston.

This is an A-.

This

milkman
03-18-2012, 12:07 AM
Peyton has nothing left to prove. I wouldn't care about winning either. I'd want to go somewhere where I'd enjoy ending my career.

If Manning thinks the same as you, he's an idiot too.

His legacy will be that he's a great regular season QB who choked too often in the playoffs.

If he thinks he has nothing to prove, he's wrong.

His brother's legacy will be greater.

jd1020
03-18-2012, 12:09 AM
If Manning thinks the same as you, he's an idiot too.

His legacy will be that he's a great regular season QB who choked too often in the playoffs.

If he thinks he has nothing to prove, he's wrong.

His brother's legacy will be greater.

:LOL:

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 05:52 AM
CB Stanford Routt
RB Peyton Hillis
TE Kevin Boss
OT Eric Winston
QB Brady Quinn

That's a selective, intelligent, careful fleshing out of the roster for a bargain at every position except Winston.

This is an A-.

Nothing matters if the Chiefs don't have a QB.

The front office's arrogance lost them the Peyton Manning sweepstakes. And the Chiefs could have cut Cassel and kept Orton for the same exact price.

The QB decision is critical. And they fucked it up big time. They promised us competition for Cassel. Instead, they got us a backup.

That decision alone turns it from an A- to a D.

Von Dumbass
03-18-2012, 07:49 AM
No. Signing a RT, a backup TE, and a backup FB doesn't mean shit without a QB. Nothing will make up for not even getting a visit by Manning, nothing.

ChiefGator
03-18-2012, 08:15 AM
Nothing matters if the Chiefs don't have a QB.

The front office's arrogance lost them the Peyton Manning sweepstakes. And the Chiefs could have cut Cassel and kept Orton for the same exact price.

The QB decision is critical. And they ****ed it up big time. They promised us competition for Cassel. Instead, they got us a backup.

That decision alone turns it from an A- to a D.

Manning chose not to come here, despite the efforts of our GM and owner. Maybe we have a history of suckiness and cheapness, but that is hard to blame at the feet of the FA period this year, considering it just started.

Orton got a fat deal from Chicago ( $5 mil this year ). That's overpaying for a backup who was marginally better than Cassel.

Who else is available for competition? There just aren't enough good QBs to go around in the NFL; it's not like we missed some great chance at improving our QB position.

And besides, we have the draft and our draft-pick from last year for this.

I don't like the QB situation anymore than anyone else, but there aren't better alternatives just sitting out there, unless you want to roll the dice on Flynn.

locomoulds
03-18-2012, 08:16 AM
No. Signing a RT, a backup TE, and a backup FB doesn't mean shit without a QB. Nothing will make up for not even getting a visit by Manning, nothing.

Your right becuase you know more than these guys who seem to think we have had the best free agent acquisitions

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/18/free-agency-day-5-5-questions-5-analysts-031812/

saphojunkie
03-18-2012, 08:19 AM
Wanted Soliai, but if we can pair Wimbley with Tamba, it's an A+.

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 08:19 AM
sticking with Cassel has ruined everything he's done.

ChiefGator
03-18-2012, 08:21 AM
Interesting quote from that link:

5. Excluding Peyton Manning, you’re a GM and can pick up one player to significantly improve your team. What team are you and what player do you choose from the available free agents?

Khaled: You know what the Kansas City Chiefs could do to continue an excellent off season? Make a move for Aubrayo Franklin on the cheap to play nose tackle. His market value dictates cost won’t be too high, he fits into their type of 3-4, and you only need to go back to 2010 to see how good he can be in that base package role.

saphojunkie
03-18-2012, 08:23 AM
Generally speaking, if you're looking for your QB in free agency, then you're looking in the wrong place.

Pioli has done a good job in filling holes in this free agency period.

You know what? This is an excellent point. Filled holes and upgraded a major position of need. The number one need went from worst in league to one of the best.

We need a franchise QB, but I want to get one through the draft.

Guru
03-18-2012, 08:28 AM
Until we truly address the albatross on this team, then my answer will continue to be a resounding NO.

Guru
03-18-2012, 08:30 AM
You know what? This is an excellent point. Filled holes and upgraded a major position of need. The number one need went from worst in league to one of the best.

We need a franchise QB, but I want to get one through the draft.

One problem. This franchise doesn't draft QBs until the second day of the draft.

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 08:35 AM
http://i41.tinypic.com/dr89ea.png

oldman
03-18-2012, 08:57 AM
Generally speaking, if you're looking for your QB in free agency, then you're looking in the wrong place.

Pioli has done a good job in filling holes in this free agency period.

Agreed. While there have been some steals out there (Brees), there normally is a reason that QB is on the market. Orton didn't want to be here and got a wad of cash to be a backup so we needed a 3rd QB for camp.
We picked up a starting RT, one of the biggest holes on the team, a second TE, a CB to replace Carr, and a RB that's a huge upgrade over the duo of Jones and Battle. I would have liked to see Hillis' contract to be more than a year and rather not had to replace Carr, but that's life.
I don't think we're finished in FA just yet and we've freed ourselves somewhat in the draft. I'll give it a 92.

thurman merman
03-18-2012, 09:00 AM
As long as Cassel is the QB, nothing is a success. I'm assuming that the signing of Brady Quinn means they are not going to draft a QB, so I'm saying no.

thurman merman
03-18-2012, 09:01 AM
The only thing that really got boned is Routt over Carr, but I dont see how the team can be worse off overall.

Cassel is worse than Orton.

notorious
03-18-2012, 09:04 AM
Cassel is worse than Orton.

Not in the overall scheme of things.

thurman merman
03-18-2012, 09:05 AM
Not in the overall scheme of things.

I don't know what that means, but i disagree.

notorious
03-18-2012, 09:07 AM
I don't know what that means, but i disagree.

Orton is a 10-6

Cassel is an 8-8

Both of them get us the same result. No playoff wins or a SB.


Orton is waaaaay better, but would he benefit us long-term?

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 09:07 AM
Cassel is worse than Orton.

absolutely.

thurman merman
03-18-2012, 09:09 AM
Orton is a 10-6

Cassel is an 8-8

Both of them get us the same result. No playoff wins or a SB.


Orton is waaaaay better, but would he benefit us long-term?

10-6 is good enough to win this division, easily. And once you're in, you never know what could happen. This team has enough talent to win in the playoffs with Orton, in my opinion.

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 09:11 AM
10-6 is good enough to win this division, easily. And once you're in, you never know what could happen. This team has enough talent to win in the playoffs with Orton, in my opinion.

Pioli wanted Ortan out of the way because Cassel would never win the starting job vs Kyle.

notorious
03-18-2012, 09:12 AM
10-6 is good enough to win this division, easily. And once you're in, you never know what could happen. This team has enough talent to win in the playoffs with Orton, in my opinion.

Perhaps, but a SB?



I just don't know. I am in a very bad place when it comes to the Chiefs right now, so my optimism is zero.

CoMoChief
03-18-2012, 09:12 AM
Not in the overall scheme of things.

LMAO

Have you seen both play? There's a considerable difference.

notorious
03-18-2012, 09:15 AM
LMAO

Have you seen both play? There's a considerable difference.

Ya, Orton is way better, it's obvious.


They don't get us to where we need to go, though.

ThatRaceCardGuy
03-18-2012, 09:15 AM
No. With the cap space we had, to end up with only 1 upgrade seems like a waste. And our QB is still named Matt Cassel.

Seems Clark has succeeded in lowering expectations. After 4 years of doing exactly nothing, we sign one big name and our fan base is ready for a parade.

:clap: This

OnTheWarpath58
03-18-2012, 09:20 AM
No. With the cap space we had, to end up with only 1 upgrade seems like a waste. And our QB is still named Matt Cassel.

Seems Clark has succeeded in lowering expectations. After 4 years of doing exactly nothing, we sign one big name and our fan base is ready for a parade.

This.

We've had the same three massive holes since this regime took over.

Yesterday, one finally was filled and people are ready to erect a statue of Pioli next to Lamar's at Arrowhead.

At this rate, we might see a legit fix at NT by 2015 and at QB by 2018.

A downgrade at CB, two backups, Eric Winston (Thank God) and Brady Quinn as the competition Pioli spoke about is far from a "good" FA period.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li563rbMQs1qhpzp8o1_400.jpg

-King-
03-18-2012, 09:24 AM
What the fuck does Cassel have to do with the moves made this off season?
Posted via Mobile Device

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 09:25 AM
What the **** does Cassel have to do with the moves made this off season?
Posted via Mobile Device

for me it's because he wasn't released.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 09:25 AM
Nothing matters if the Chiefs don't have a QB.

The front office's arrogance lost them the Peyton Manning sweepstakes. And the Chiefs could have cut Cassel and kept Orton for the same exact price.

The QB decision is critical. And they fucked it up big time. They promised us competition for Cassel. Instead, they got us a backup.

That decision alone turns it from an A- to a D.

Do you think qbs grow on trees or something? Did the qb truck drive by arrowhead and nobody came out to greet them?

Saul Good
03-18-2012, 09:26 AM
No. Signing a RT, a backup TE, and a backup FB doesn't mean shit without a QB. Nothing will make up for not even getting a visit by Manning, nothing.

At least we didn't get led on by Manning, sit around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for him to call us back, and drive our starting QB to demand a trade only to find out that Peyton Manning is not walking through that door.

That would really suck.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 09:27 AM
for me it's because he wasn't released.

Ya lets release our starting qb and be left with only one qb on the roster who's never taken a snap. : facepalm :

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 09:28 AM
At least we didn't get led on by Manning, sit around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for him to call us back, and drive our starting QB to demand a trade only to find out that Peyton Manning is not walking through that door.

That would really suck.

it would have been awesome if Cassel got pissed and demanded a trade tho.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 09:28 AM
Manning is done people. Get over it.

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 09:29 AM
Ya lets release our starting qb and be left with only one qb on the roster who's never taken a snap. : facepalm :

we're still with one QB anywho, Cassel's worth to this team is Zero.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 09:31 AM
we're still with one QB anywho, Cassel's worth to this team is Zero.

As opposed to whom, Manning? Cassel or Quinn will put up better numbers than Manning

BoneKrusher
03-18-2012, 09:33 AM
As opposed to whom, Manning? Cassel or Quinn will put up better numbers than Manning

actually i'd rather had Cassel released, Ortan for this season and draft a Franchise QB next season with our roster in place to make a run.

milkman
03-18-2012, 09:34 AM
One problem. This franchise doesn't draft QBs until the second day of the draft.

This poll asks the question about this free agency period.

I am not satisfied with the overall job that Piol has done as long as Matt Cassel remains the QB.

But my response is based strictly on the question posed.

This.

We've had the same three massive holes since this regime took over.

Yesterday, one finally was filled and people are ready to erect a statue of Pioli next to Lamar's at Arrowhead.

At this rate, we might see a legit fix at NT by 2015 and at QB by 2018.

A downgrade at CB, two backups, Eric Winston (Thank God) and Brady Quinn as the competition Pioli spoke about is far from a "good" FA period.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li563rbMQs1qhpzp8o1_400.jpg

At the end of the day, I believe the approach to building a team is to build your core through the draft, and to find role players in free agency.

The core was essentially built by the previous regime, with a couple of pieces added by Pioli in the draft in the last couple of years.

Overall, while I agree with the team building approach Pioli has taken, I haven't been overly impressed with the drfat selections he has made.

So, if this poll asks are you happy with the job that Pioli has done overall since he was hired, with Cassel and his drafts, and his prevuious forays into free agency, my answer is a resounding no.

But the question is, are you happy with what Pioli has done in this free agency.

That is what I am responding to, and my answer to that question is yes.

King_Chief_Fan
03-18-2012, 09:36 AM
This.

We've had the same three massive holes since this regime took over.

Yesterday, one finally was filled and people are ready to erect a statue of Pioli next to Lamar's at Arrowhead.

At this rate, we might see a legit fix at NT by 2015 and at QB by 2018.

A downgrade at CB, two backups, Eric Winston (Thank God) and Brady Quinn as the competition Pioli spoke about is far from a "good" FA period.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li563rbMQs1qhpzp8o1_400.jpg

I know....you should go support another team. This agony must be crushing that you are dealing with. But, don't jump off a bridge...ok?

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 09:47 AM
Do you think qbs grow on trees or something? Did the qb truck drive by arrowhead and nobody came out to greet them?

The Chiefs could have cut Cassel and signed Orton to a short-term contract at a cheaper price. Instead, they kept the worse QB and we're stuck with that clown for another year.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 09:51 AM
The Chiefs could have cut Cassel and signed Orton to a short-term contract at a cheaper price. Instead, they kept the worse QB and we're stuck with that clown for another year.

First of all orton signed a pretty big deal just to be the backup in Dallas. Second HES FUCKING KYLE ORTON. WHO GIVES A SHIT?

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 09:51 AM
Orton is a 10-6

Cassel is an 8-8

Both of them get us the same result. No playoff wins or a SB.


Orton is waaaaay better, but would he benefit us long-term?

Yes, he would. First, I would never as a fan feel like the Chiefs are being blindly loyal to a bad QB. If the Chiefs signed Orton, to me that means the team recognizes that finding Orton's replacement becomes a top priority in 2013. But yes, with Orton, you have a real outside chance of postseason success. Very outside chance, but at least it's a chance. With Cassel, you have no chance.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 09:55 AM
First of Norton signed a pretty big deal just to be the backup in Dallas. Second HES ****ING KYLE ORTON. WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Blah. What?

He was given a $5M signing bonus. His contract in 2012 is worth $900,000. His contract next year is $1.4M. Matt Cassel's contract is worth $5.25M, $7.5M in 2013, and $9M in 2014.

Orton is $650,000 more expensive today and $6.1M cheaper next year. Let's face it, the only reason Orton isn't a Chief had nothing to do with money. It had nothing to do with Orton being uncomfortable getting into a QB competition with Cassel. Why? Because Orton signed a cheap contract on a team where he would become the backup. This move had everything to do with the Chiefs refusing to admit that their shitty QB is in fact shitty.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 09:59 AM
Blah. What?

He was given a $5M signing bonus. His contract in 2012 is worth $900,000. His contract next year is $1.4M. Matt Cassel's contract is worth $5.25M, $7.5M in 2013, and $9M in 2014.

Orton is $650,000 more expensive today and $6.1M cheaper next year. Let's face it, the only reason Orton isn't a Chief had nothing to do with money. It had nothing to do with Orton being uncomfortable getting into a QB competition with Cassel. Why? Because Orton signed a cheap contract on a team where he would become the backup. This move had everything to do with the Chiefs refusing to admit that their shitty QB is in fact shitty.

Your point was that Orton would be cheaper THIS season had we just cut cassel and signed orton. You were wrong and you're wrong about cassel.

InChiefsHell
03-18-2012, 10:01 AM
We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him.

One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season.

King_Chief_Fan
03-18-2012, 10:06 AM
We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him.

One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season.

agree....

The signing of Quinn is not competition for Cassel. It is for Stanzi. If Quinn ends up #2 on the Chiefs....Stanzi will need to be replaced as playing behind Quinn will represent major suckage on his part.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 10:08 AM
Your point was that Orton would be cheaper THIS season had we just cut cassel and signed orton. You were wrong and you're wrong about cassel.

We can afford $650,000 under our cap for 2012.

mlyonsd
03-18-2012, 10:12 AM
I voted yes even though we downgraded at CB. But that was just too much money for Carr IMO.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 10:15 AM
I really don't understand why people are so excited about the offseason. Let's face it, the good additions we made were for players you can find in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

We downgraded at a first round position, who the fuck knows why. And we go yet another offseason without an upgrade at the two most important positions in the game--NT and QB.

Why are people so excited about this offseason?

mdchiefsfan
03-18-2012, 10:22 AM
No. With the cap space we had, to end up with only 1 upgrade seems like a waste. And our QB is still named Matt Cassel.

Seems Clark has succeeded in lowering expectations. After 4 years of doing exactly nothing, we sign one big name and our fan base is ready for a parade.

I disagree, Winston> Richardson, Hillis> Jones Battle, Boss> Pope, Quinn> Palko.

Not bad at all

oldman
03-18-2012, 10:24 AM
We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him.

One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season.

agree....

The signing of Quinn is not competition for Cassel. It is for Stanzi. If Quinn ends up #2 on the Chiefs....Stanzi will need to be replaced as playing behind Quinn will represent major suckage on his part.

Sadly, this is true. I don't think any member of this board really believes we can ever win a SB with MC behind center. But QBs just don't grow on trees, so given what we had to choose from, Quinn is probably the best we could have hoped for this year.
What I am going to be pissed about is if Stanzi does not get a legit chance of being the #2 this season. Maybe you could justify with the work stoppage that Stanzi wasn't ready, but there's flat out no excuse for that this year. There really was no excuse for it 1 game into the Tyler Palko era other than Haley giving the finger to the Chiefs, their fans, and yes, Pioli. Either develop him or cut him and find someone you can develop.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 10:27 AM
I disagree, Winston> Richardson, Hillis> Jones Battle, Boss> Pope, Quinn> Palko.

Not bad at all

Winston + Hillis + Boss + Quinn + Cassel + Routt < Richardson + Battle + Pope + Palko + Orton + Carr

Orton and Carr are top priority positions and carry the most weight in this discussion. We have to prove that this team is capable of not only finding support players, but core players too.

madmike
03-18-2012, 10:28 AM
I will be the first to say I'm not a Cassel fan but with a legitimate WR corps and dual TEs plus the addition of a RT and Hillis he should be okay. All Cassel has to do is not lose the game with our defense. Pioli is doing a nice job of surrounding Cassel with pieces that make sure he won't look as bad as he really is.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 10:32 AM
Winston + Hillis + Boss + Quinn + Cassel + Routt < Richardson + Battle + Pope + Palko + Orton + Carr



SWING AND A MISS

wazu
03-18-2012, 10:32 AM
No, not a success. We let go the best QB on the team. Even the Winston signing can't have an impact greater than that. We downgraded QB and CB. We upgraded RT, and slightly upgraded RB/TE.

Chiefnj2
03-18-2012, 10:36 AM
Good Moves
Boss > Becht or Pope
Hillis > T. Jones
Winston > Richardson

Step Back or Not addressed
Routt < Carr
Quinn = Palko (neither is realistic competition for a starting position)
NT and S depth/starter still not addressed

Very slight improvement, but not by much in the big picture.

wazu
03-18-2012, 10:37 AM
Good Moves
Boss > Becht or Pope
Hillis > T. Jones
Winston > Richardson

Step Back or Not addressed
Routt < Carr
Quinn = Palko (neither is realistic competition for a starting position)
NT and S depth/starter still not addressed

Very slight improvement, but not by much in the big picture.

No mention of losing Orton? Our best QB? Quinn doesn't replace Palko. He replaces Orton.

milkman
03-18-2012, 10:39 AM
Winston + Hillis + Boss + Quinn + Cassel + Routt < Richardson + Battle + Pope + Palko + Orton + Carr

Orton and Carr are top priority positions and carry the most weight in this discussion. We have to prove that this team is capable of not only finding support players, but core players too.

You are getting your panties in a bunch over Kyle Ortan.

He's a medicre QB that isn't going to take you to a SB.

Who gives a rat's ass if he gives you slightly better opportunity to possibly win a playoff game if he doesn't give you any better opportunity to win a SB?

Get a fucking grip.

Iowanian
03-18-2012, 10:40 AM
I'd prefer to see how it ends and how the holes that aren't filled in FA are addressed in the draft.

In short, I want the team improved. If the 53rd player on the roster is better than last year's 53rd, that is a good thing.

Given that as my measuring tool, I think Quinn, while not awesome is a better QB than Tyler Palko....Winston is Ruth's Chris vs Sizzler that we had at RT last year, The white lightening RB is better than a washed up Thomas Jones if he's taking his crazy medicine, Boss is an upgrade over Pope, Route isn't probably as skilled as Carr but is faster and probably a suitable #2 corner.....so in short, I don't hate what I see at all. It's working on being a successful FA period.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 10:41 AM
Carr is not better than Routt. Not by 4 mil a season. I like carr but hes about to find out what matching up against #1 receiver for an entire season is like.

wazu
03-18-2012, 10:42 AM
You are getting your panties in a bunch over Kyle Ortan.

He's a medicre QB that isn't going to take you to a SB.

Who gives a rat's ass if he gives you slightly better opportunity to possibly win a playoff game if he doesn't give you any better opportunity to win a SB?

Get a fucking grip.

Umm...isn't that the point of this thread? I may not think Orton is a Superbowl-caliber quarterback, but he's better than any of the other ones we had on this team. So if I'm judging this offseason so far it's the biggest screw up that's been made. Keeping him doesn't make us great, but letting him walk absolutely makes us worse.

milkman
03-18-2012, 10:42 AM
At the end of the day, I don't give a rat's ass who you bring in at QB if he isn't a guy that can lead you to the SB.

Ortan isn't that guy.
Quinn isn't that guy.
Cassel isn't that guy.

Until you repalce Cassel with a guy that can win you a SB, then you're just replacing shit with shit.

Who the fuck is so stupid that they care about getting new shit to replace old shit?

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 10:43 AM
Oh and Winston at 6 mil is a FUCKING BARGAIN.

pioli is mindfucking people right now

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 10:44 AM
Umm...isn't that the point of this thread? I may not think Orton is a Superbowl-caliber quarterback, but he's better than any of the other ones we had on this team. So if I'm judging this offseason so far it's the biggest screw up that's been made. Keeping him doesn't make us great, but letting him walk absolutely makes us worse.

no it doesnt. Kyle Orton is a piece of shit loser backup. Theres about 50 other dudes than can do his job. Get over it.

CoMoChief
03-18-2012, 10:44 AM
No mention of losing Orton? Our best QB? Quinn doesn't replace Palko. He replaces Orton.

Orton was a FA and didn't want to be here. Can't do anything about that.

I don't necessarily call that a fail. I mean if you paid him a ton of money would he stay? Probably, money talks. But that would be a very stupid decision, we're talking about Kyle Orton here. That's how bad our QB situation is here in KC.

milkman
03-18-2012, 10:45 AM
Umm...isn't that the point of this thread? I may not think Orton is a Superbowl-caliber quarterback, but he's better than any of the other ones we had on this team. So if I'm judging this offseason so far it's the biggest screw up that's been made. Keeping him doesn't make us great, but letting him walk absolutely makes us worse.

This team addressed a huge hole at RT, and replaced an ineffective RB and TE.

Kyle Ortan, with this roster, might win a game that Cassel would lose.

Big fucking deal.

We are actually crying about losing out on a medicre QB?

Seriously?

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 10:46 AM
You are getting your panties in a bunch over Kyle Ortan.

He's a medicre QB that isn't going to take you to a SB.

Who gives a rat's ass if he gives you slightly better opportunity to possibly win a playoff game if he doesn't give you any better opportunity to win a SB?

Get a ****ing grip.

Because in Orton, you get a few things. #1 - the assurance that the Chiefs are no longer married to Cassel. #2 - in future years, you get a cheap backup. Do you realize that beyond 2012, Orton's contract is $1-2M? That's chump change. #3 - better QB play. #4 - Yes, I do believe Orton can win us a playoff game, even if we can't make the Super Bowl. And this organization badly, badly needs to get that chip off their shoulder.

Matt Cassel has to be cut. His contract is reasonable this year, but there is no fucking way he should be paid $9M in 2013. All we're doing right now is providing superior weapons for Cassel to look good to the Chiefs, when in fact it's the supporting cast that's going to win games for him.

Add in the fact that with Routt, we have a ton of cap space and we chose to go with a inferior 29 year old over a 26 year old. And it's not like we saved a ton of money either.

KILLER_CLOWN
03-18-2012, 10:49 AM
If Catt Massel is the starter, we has failed.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 10:51 AM
Because in Orton, you get a few things. #1 - the assurance that the Chiefs are no longer married to Cassel. #2 - in future years, you get a cheap backup. Do you realize that beyond 2012, Orton's contract is $1-2M? That's chump change. #3 - better QB play. #4 - Yes, I do believe Orton can win us a playoff game, even if we can't make the Super Bowl. And this organization badly, badly needs to get that chip off their shoulder.

Matt Cassel has to be cut. His contract is reasonable this year, but there is no fucking way he should be paid $9M in 2013. All we're doing right now is providing superior weapons for Cassel to look good to the Chiefs, when in fact it's the supporting cast that's going to win games for him.

Add in the fact that with Routt, we have a ton of cap space and we chose to go with a inferior 29 year old over a 26 year old. And it's not like we saved a ton of money either.

How is Carr better than Routt besides being younger? Carr is about to get owned.

Orton is just another guy.

TheGuardian
03-18-2012, 10:51 AM
I wasn't going to until we signed Quinn. A+ on this side of the fence.

After reading that time line about Quinn and doing more digging, I'm going to go with Pesti on this one (see I'm not dogmatic).

I want to see what Quinn can do if he gets a fair shot at competing for the job.

His situations may have been a bigger factor than I realized. Pesti and I don't agree much, but I'm going to side with him on this one and say if Quinn gets a fair shake he should beat out Cassel.

We'll see.........

wazu
03-18-2012, 10:51 AM
This team addressed a huge hole at RT, and replaced an ineffective RB and TE.

Kyle Ortan, with this roster, might win a game that Cassel would lose.

Big fucking deal.

We are actually crying about losing out on a medicre QB?

Seriously?

Nobody is "actually crying" about losing Orton. Just saying the team as of now is less competitive than it was at end of 2011. We will start the 2012 season with a less effective QB than the one we ended 2011 with. That's all. I don't consider any offseason in which that happens to be a "success".

milkman
03-18-2012, 10:52 AM
Because in Orton, you get a few things. #1 - the assurance that the Chiefs are no longer married to Cassel. #2 - in future years, you get a cheap backup. Do you realize that beyond 2012, Orton's contract is $1-2M? That's chump change. #3 - better QB play. #4 - Yes, I do believe Orton can win us a playoff game, even if we can't make the Super Bowl. And this organization badly, badly needs to get that chip off their shoulder.

Matt Cassel has to be cut. His contract is reasonable this year, but there is no ****ing way he should be paid $9M in 2013. All we're doing right now is providing superior weapons for Cassel to look good to the Chiefs, when in fact it's the supporting cast that's going to win games for him.

Add in the fact that with Routt, we have a ton of cap space and we chose to go with a inferior 29 year old over a 26 year old. And it's not like we saved a ton of money either.

We saved 4 mil a year.

That's not chump change.

And the miniscule chance that Ortan could lead this team to a playoff win isn't worth the crying that you're doing.

Agent V
03-18-2012, 10:52 AM
Winston + Hillis + Boss + Quinn + Cassel + Routt < Richardson + Battle + Pope + Palko + Orton + Carr

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/chief103182/0reCv.gif

I've been extremely critical of Pioli after Orton and Carr walked, but his moves since then more than make up for that. Credit where credit is due. The QB position is still a monumental fuck-up, though. We agree on that.

Bump
03-18-2012, 10:53 AM
NO

a legendary QB is available and we're not interested. The one player who would give us a legit chance at a Superbowl, the difference maker and we're staying with limp dick Cassel. So, NO, it's not a successful offseason.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 10:55 AM
NO

a legendary QB is available and we're not interested. The one player who would give us a legit chance at a Superbowl, the difference maker and we're staying with limp dick Cassel. So, NO, it's not a successful offseason.

They WERE interested and Manning told them to FUCK OFF. You, he told YOU to fuck off. How does that make you feel man? To know that Manning thinks you suck.

milkman
03-18-2012, 10:56 AM
Nobody is "actually crying" about losing Orton. Just saying the team as of now is less competitive than it was at end of 2011. We will start the 2012 season with a less effective QB than the one we ended 2011 with. That's all. I don't consider any offseason in which that happens to be a "success".

I disagree.

While Ortan might be slightly better than Cassel, the additions we made at RT, RB and TE are bigger gains that the loss of Oratn.

These guys can create the illusion that was created in 2010, but do an even better job of it.

The only thing I can agree to here is that the illusion they create will effectively tie us to Cassel for another 2 or 3 years.

But since I have never believed we'd be moving away from Cassel in that time frame anyway, I just can't get too pissed about that anymore.

wazu
03-18-2012, 10:57 AM
They WERE interested and Manning told them to FUCK OFF. You, he told YOU to fuck off. How does that make you feel man? To know that Manning thinks you suck.

It makes me angry.

Guru
03-18-2012, 10:58 AM
What the **** does Cassel have to do with the moves made this off season?
Posted via Mobile Device

Because we are going nowhere with Cassel under center even with the FA acquisitions.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-18-2012, 10:59 AM
After reading that time line about Quinn and doing more digging, I'm going to go with Pesti on this one (see I'm not dogmatic).

I want to see what Quinn can do if he gets a fair shot at competing for the job.

His situations may have been a bigger factor than I realized. Pesti and I don't agree much, but I'm going to side with him on this one and say if Quinn gets a fair shake he should beat out Cassel.

We'll see.........

I feel the same.

I'm willing to hold off on judgement until he has a fair shot with our starters.

I am doubtful on him so I am not getting my hopes up. I hope I am wrong though...

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 10:59 AM
It makes me angry.

it should. it should make you want to rape his bitch ass with a crow bar.

manning can eat a dick, i hope his neck explodes on the first hit of the season. but im not bitter or anything

Bump
03-18-2012, 11:00 AM
They WERE interested and Manning told them to **** OFF. You, he told YOU to **** off. How does that make you feel man? To know that Manning thinks you suck.

that should say a lot about Pioli and Clark because this is the most ready team out of his options, maybe besides the 49ers.

Agent V
03-18-2012, 11:00 AM
Because we are going nowhere with Cassel under center even with the FA acquisitions.

I'm holding out hope that Crennel truly does not like Cassel, and will hold that bias through training camp when he's up against his "competition."

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 11:03 AM
that should say a lot about Pioli and Clark because this is the most ready team out of his options, maybe besides the 49ers.

no it just means manning is dumb. he doesnt get it, just like the other 99% of the country who dont pay attention to the chiefs

gold_and_red
03-18-2012, 11:04 AM
It makes me angry.

it makes me angrier that he is inexplicably interested in Dungver.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 11:07 AM
We saved 4 mil a year.

That's not chump change.

And the miniscule chance that Ortan could lead this team to a playoff win isn't worth the crying that you're doing.

Add in head coach and offensive coordinator.

So we've decided that we can win in spite of our head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterback, nose tackle. But we sure are good at geting premiere support players. Again yes we got great values and upgraded key positions. Buy this front office has yet to demonstrate that they have any fucking clue how to get premiere players at core positions.

What we've seen this offseason is the same old shtick. Lets hire coaches based on the tree, lets build players who will make our qbbetter, lets build around support players while doing nothing to build the core. These players are good but we upgrades only in positions we could have easily upgraded in the second or third round of the draft.

TheGuardian
03-18-2012, 11:08 AM
Add in head coach and offensive coordinator.

So we've decided that we can win in spite of our head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterback, nose tackle. But we sure are good at geting premiere support players. Again yes we got great values and upgraded key positions. Buy this front office has yet to demonstrate that they have any ****ing clue how to get premiere players at core positions.

What we've seen this offseason is the same old shtick. Lets hire coaches based on the tree, lets build players who will make our qbbetter, lets low

JFC

How many drives were totally fucked last year from Richardson?

If signing "premiere" free agents were the key to winning then the Redskins would have won multiple super bowls by now.

Please remove your head from your ass.

milkman
03-18-2012, 11:08 AM
Add in head coach and offensive coordinator.

So we've decided that we can win in spite of our head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterback, nose tackle. But we sure are good at geting premiere support players. Again yes we got great values and upgraded key positions. Buy this front office has yet to demonstrate that they have any ****ing clue how to get premiere players at core positions.

What we've seen this offseason is the same old shtick. Lets hire coaches based on the tree, lets build players who will make our qbbetter, lets low

Bottom line in your thought process.

Let's replace shit with shit.

How is that a winning formula?

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 11:09 AM
Add in head coach and offensive coordinator.

So we've decided that we can win in spite of our head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterback, nose tackle. But we sure are good at geting premiere support players. Again yes we got great values and upgraded key positions. Buy this front office has yet to demonstrate that they have any fucking clue how to get premiere players at core positions.

What we've seen this offseason is the same old shtick. Lets hire coaches based on the tree, lets build players who will make our qbbetter, lets build around support players while doing nothing to build the core. These players are good but we upgrades only in positions we could have easily upgraded in the second or third round of the draft.

i see youre avoiding my question about carr vs routt

Chiefnj2
03-18-2012, 11:10 AM
I liked the hiring of Romeo. The players played hard for him and it was evident after the Green Bay win that they were happy for HIM to get the win.

I really dislike the hiring of Daboll. He hasn't done anything to earn another OC gig.

milkman
03-18-2012, 11:11 AM
Bottom line here.

The Chiefs with Matt Cassel, and without Jamaal Charles, have avreraged 13 points a game.

The Chiefs with Kyle Ortan averaged 13 points a game.

Guru
03-18-2012, 11:11 AM
I'm holding out hope that Crennel truly does not like Cassel, and will hold that bias through training camp when he's up against his "competition."

don't get me wrong. I plan to wait and see what happens in the draft and training camp before final judgement. But if we see no real competition at the QB position then this offseason is a fail in my book.

Unfortunately, I don't see Quinn as anything more than Cassel 2.0 and we still know nothing about Stanzi other than we want to see what he can do. At this point, I really hope we do draft Tennehill even though I don't like him either. In this situation it will at least show they know Cassel is no longer worth a shit.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 11:11 AM
I liked the hiring of Romeo. The players played hard for him and it was evident after the Green Bay win that they were happy for HIM to get the win.

I really dislike the hiring of Daboll. He hasn't done anything to earn another OC gig.

he got us hillis. which in turn got us winston. we's gonna be runnin ovah fools!

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 11:13 AM
i see youre avoiding my question about carr vs routt

Carr is younger and better than routt. You are naive if you think otherwise.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 11:14 AM
Carr is younger and better than fourth. You are naive if you think otherwise.

i said other than age. thanks for proving me right.

gold_and_red
03-18-2012, 11:14 AM
With the additions of Routt, Hillis, Boss, and now Winston; do you consider this a successful offseason thus far?


If no...who else would we need to sign (realistically) in order for you to consider it a success?

Pioli's moves are to provide as much ammunition as possible for sh!thead Cassell to succeed. It is worrisome because a QB is supposed to carry the offense and make clutch plays when needed, but here Pioli is protecting Cassell already.

I personally think this is a do or die year for MC. The caveat is that we might win this worthless division and get bounced out in the first round. But Pioli will give MC another year because he showed"progress".

whoman69
03-18-2012, 11:14 AM
They WERE interested and Manning told them to **** OFF. You, he told YOU to **** off. How does that make you feel man? To know that Manning thinks you suck.

He thinks the Chiefs suck, more specifically, their front office. Should be a wake up call. Four years of Cassel is a fail. Saying you will bring in competition for Cassel and then saying Brady Quinn is that competition is an outright lie.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 11:16 AM
i said other than age. thanks for proving me right.

Carr is better. Don't be a Homer.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 11:17 AM
He thinks the Chiefs suck, more specifically, their front office. Should be a wake up call. Four years of Cassel is a fail. Saying you will bring in competition for Cassel and then saying Brady Quinn is that competition is an outright lie.

No, you had it correct right there. Hes a dumbass. Obviously winning one more SB before he rides off into the sunset just isnt that important to him

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 11:17 AM
Carr is better. Don't be a Homer.

How? Show me. Dont be a homer.

Deberg_1990
03-18-2012, 11:23 AM
Bottom line here.

The Chiefs with Matt Cassel, and without Jamaal Charles, have avreraged 13 points a game.

The Chiefs with Kyle Ortan averaged 13 points a game.

Chiefs fans are so desperate for anything "Not Cassel"they are willing to be sold a different flavor of the same sh*tty recipe. :facepalm:

Saul Good
03-18-2012, 11:23 AM
Let's face it, the good additions we made were for players you can find in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

That's true. Instead of being forced to spend our 2nd and 3rd (and possibly 1st in Winston's case) picks on them, we got them for nothing but money...Clark's money...and we are still in great shape wrt the salary cap.

If Clark had somehow purchased a couple of second round picks just for cash, you would be fired up about what a shrewd move he made. That's exactly what he did, and he hit on the picks to boot.

milkman
03-18-2012, 11:25 AM
How? Show me. Dont be a homer.

At this point in time, I would agree that Carr is better, and had he stayed in KC under the tutelage of Emmit Thomas, he still had potential to continue to improve.

However, I don't think the droppoff from Carr to Routt is significant, and under the tutelage of Thomas, his first really good coach, he also has the chance to improve.

I have suppported Carr from his first day as a Chief, and no one has been more of a fan.

The reality is, though, that the contract he signed with Dallas was just not practical in KC, and he isn't 4 mil better than Routt.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 11:28 AM
Carr is better. Don't be a Homer.


Here, let me help you out. Football Outsiders CB charting for 2011 up through week 13:


Top 12 CB in Success Rate, 2011 (through Week 13)
Player Team Passes Suc% Yd/Pass Avg Dist YAC
D.Revis NYJ 30 73% 3.0 17.1 2.2
J.Greer NO 63 71% 5.6 11.2 7.1
I.Taylor PIT 72 70% 4.9 13.7 2.6
R.Sherman SEA 49 69% 6.1 13.4 3.0
A.Samuel PHI 55 67% 4.5 14.8 2.2
S.Routt OAK 58 67% 4.8 10.9 2.7
D.Patterson CLE 34 67% 5.9 9.3 4.7
J.Wilson WAS 53 66% 5.9 12.5 3.3
C.Finnegan TEN 40 65% 4.0 7.2 2.9
R.Mathis JAC 34 65% 9.1 13.3 5.9
B.Grimes ATL 44 64% 6.5 14.8 5.2
C.Gamble CAR 35 63% 6.8 11.7 3.1

Essentially, Routt is the 6th best CB in the league and that's while covering the opposing teams #1. Notice who's NOT on the list?

Also interestingly the other guy whos on the list Finnegan just signed for $10 mil so we got a better CB for cheaper there as well.

Check out what PFF says about the Carr signing:

"Brandon Carr to DAL: Carr is a good cornerback, but the Cowboys have spent an awful lot of money on potential as opposed to production. He is an upgrade for their secondary, but one that may struggle to live up to the price tag."

Now again, tell me why Carr is SO MUCH BETTER than Routt?

Saul Good
03-18-2012, 11:29 AM
The reality is, though, that the contract he signed with Dallas was just not practical in KC, and he isn't 4 mil better than Routt.

The difference in salary between Carr and Routt was basically Winston.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 11:35 AM
That's true. Instead of being forced to spend our 2nd and 3rd (and possibly 1st in Winston's case) picks on them, we got them for nothing but money...Clark's money...and we are still in great shape wrt the salary cap.

If Clark had somehow purchased a couple of second round picks just for cash, you would be fired up about what a shrewd move he made. That's exactly what he did, and he hit on the picks to boot.

Don't get me wrong. I love the moves.

But this front office has yet to prove they can make a good move at a core position. They continue to plug away at these support positions and they've done a great job at providing a supporting cast. But they are supports.

We can't stand here and applaud success at making support moves. We've been doing that for 4 years. We have to hit on a core position for us to consider this offseason a success.

milkman
03-18-2012, 11:39 AM
Don't get me wrong. I love the moves.

But this front office has yet to prove they can make a good move at a core position. They continue to plug away at these support positions and they've done a great job at providing a supporting cast. But they are supports.

We can't stand here and applaud success at making support moves. We've been doing that for 4 years. We have to hit on a core position for us to consider this offseason a success.

There's your problem right there.

The Chiefs need to be drafting core positions, not trying to find those players in free agency.

Free agency should be used in exactly the manner in which the Chiefs have used it this offseason.

Guru
03-18-2012, 11:41 AM
There's your problem right there.

The Chiefs need to be drafting core positions, not trying to find those players in free agency.

Free agency should be used in exactly the manner in which the Chiefs have used it this offseason.

agreed. But we know the Chiefs won't draft a QB to build on. They will draft another fucking project.

milkman
03-18-2012, 11:45 AM
agreed. But we know the Chiefs won't draft a QB to build on. They will draft another ****ing project.

And I'm not arguing that.

This poll asks specifically about this free agency period.

I am answering based solely on that.

Guru
03-18-2012, 11:50 AM
And I'm not arguing that.

This poll asks specifically about this free agency period.

I am answering based solely on that.

MM I'm not arguing with you. Just pointing out the Chiefs MO.

Your point is completely valid and I agree with it. Just saying the Chiefs have given us ZERO reason to think they will do it.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 12:06 PM
Carr is younger and better than routt. You are naive if you think otherwise.

...waiting... :ZZZ:

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 12:07 PM
There's your problem right there.

The Chiefs need to be drafting core positions, not trying to find those players in free agency.

Free agency should be used in exactly the manner in which the Chiefs have used it this offseason.

Well, you know I agree with you that great teams are built through the draft. But it's different when your team ignores those positions in both the draft and free agency for 3 years. Those core positions take 2-3 years to develop. So by the time those guys develop, we're in year 6 of the Pioli era. If we had been filling our roster with some nice potential guys at those positions for 3 years, I'd feel differently.

That's why I'm harping on the Orton over Cassel thing. I know Orton isn't the answer. But when your front office completely ignores the QB position for 3 years (except for one guy who is clearly not the answer), then you have to use free agency to bring in a stopgap. Those stopgaps don't kill your cap, but they at least give you some reasonable chance at winning and it allows you to be more selective about young QBs as well as give them time to develop and grow. Orton is significantly better than Cassel. He allows your team to start running an offense you believe you can run for 5 years (with the hope that in 1-2 years, you have a new QB running that same system). Cassel doesn't do that. And by the way, whereas Cassel makes you complete non-contenders, at least Orton makes you a longshot.

So yeah, downgrading at CB, downgrading at QB, and making less than optimal decisions at coach... those balance out the good moves we made at support positions. We can't call this offseason anything close to success if we don't make any moves, whether free agency or the draft, to address some unbelievably critical core positional needs.

milkman
03-18-2012, 12:17 PM
Well, you know I agree with you that great teams are built through the draft. But it's different when your team ignores those positions in both the draft and free agency for 3 years. Those core positions take 2-3 years to develop. So by the time those guys develop, we're in year 6 of the Pioli era. If we had been filling our roster with some nice potential guys at those positions for 3 years, I'd feel differently.

That's why I'm harping on the Orton over Cassel thing. I know Orton isn't the answer. But when your front office completely ignores the QB position for 3 years (except for one guy who is clearly not the answer), then you have to use free agency to bring in a stopgap. Those stopgaps don't kill your cap, but they at least give you some reasonable chance at winning and it allows you to be more selective about young QBs as well as give them time to develop and grow. Orton is significantly better than Cassel. He allows your team to start running an offense you believe you can run for 5 years (with the hope that in 1-2 years, you have a new QB running that same system). Cassel doesn't do that. And by the way, whereas Cassel makes you complete non-contenders, at least Orton makes you a longshot.

So yeah, downgrading at CB, downgrading at QB, and making less than optimal decisions at coach... those balance out the good moves we made at support positions. We can't call this offseason anything close to success if we don't make any moves, whether free agency or the draft, to address some unbelievably critical core positional needs.

You still fail to understand the only thing that matters in this discussion.

The question is, "Would you consider the offseason FA period a success for the Chiefs?".

It doesn't ask how this FA period is affected by any other period or decision of Pioli's that is not a part of this FA period.

In and of itself, this FA period, standing apart from every other issue, is a success.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 12:21 PM
Here, let me help you out. Football Outsiders CB charting for 2011 up through week 13:


Top 12 CB in Success Rate, 2011 (through Week 13)
Player Team Passes Suc% Yd/Pass Avg Dist YAC
D.Revis NYJ 30 73% 3.0 17.1 2.2
J.Greer NO 63 71% 5.6 11.2 7.1
I.Taylor PIT 72 70% 4.9 13.7 2.6
R.Sherman SEA 49 69% 6.1 13.4 3.0
A.Samuel PHI 55 67% 4.5 14.8 2.2
S.Routt OAK 58 67% 4.8 10.9 2.7
D.Patterson CLE 34 67% 5.9 9.3 4.7
J.Wilson WAS 53 66% 5.9 12.5 3.3
C.Finnegan TEN 40 65% 4.0 7.2 2.9
R.Mathis JAC 34 65% 9.1 13.3 5.9
B.Grimes ATL 44 64% 6.5 14.8 5.2
C.Gamble CAR 35 63% 6.8 11.7 3.1

Essentially, Routt is the 6th best CB in the league and that's while covering the opposing teams #1. Notice who's NOT on the list?

Also interestingly the other guy whos on the list Finnegan just signed for $10 mil so we got a better CB for cheaper there as well.

Check out what PFF says about the Carr signing:

"Brandon Carr to DAL: Carr is a good cornerback, but the Cowboys have spent an awful lot of money on potential as opposed to production. He is an upgrade for their secondary, but one that may struggle to live up to the price tag."

Now again, tell me why Carr is SO MUCH BETTER than Routt?

Routt is not the NFL's 6th best CB. You can't look at statistics and even begin to suggest these are parallel situations. Brandon Carr did in fact grade in the top 10 in 2010, and that's despite the fact that the Chiefs had a horrendous pass rush which leaves your corners on your man for longer and that allows your QB to patiently step into throws.

There's plenty of reasons why statistically Carr rates as worse. The Chiefs had a horrendous pass rush for most of this season. The pass rush didn't step up until Houston started to emerge later in the season. The Chiefs had horrendous safety help all of this season. For most of the season, especially during the Palko era, the Chiefs' defense was on the field for entirely too long. That drains the hell out of your defense. That tires out Carr. More importantly, it tires out your pass rushers, which again goes back to the problem of Carr having to cover for longer.

Carr is a better player and his upside makes him even better. In 2012, getting Berry back and having Houston all year long as well as getting great coaching, he'd only get much better.

O.city
03-18-2012, 12:23 PM
I agree on the qb issue, however, there really isn't much out there. I would have loved orton but not sure its much of an upgrade in the end.

They made some good solid moves. We need to have a great draft and add some rmore pieces, get depth and maybe find a diamond in the rough qb.

Its not ideal but it is where we are. I myself am excited about Stanzi

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 12:24 PM
Routt is not the NFL's 6th best CB. You can't look at statistics and even begin to suggest these are parallel situations. Brandon Carr did in fact grade in the top 10 in 2010, and that's despite the fact that the Chiefs had a horrendous pass rush which leaves your corners on your man for longer and that allows your QB to patiently step into throws.

There's plenty of reasons why statistically Carr rates as worse. The Chiefs had a horrendous pass rush for most of this season. The pass rush didn't step up until Houston started to emerge later in the season. The Chiefs had horrendous safety help all of this season. For most of the season, especially during the Palko era, the Chiefs' defense was on the field for entirely too long. That drains the hell out of your defense. That tires out Carr. More importantly, it tires out your pass rushers, which again goes back to the problem of Carr having to cover for longer.

Carr is a better player and his upside makes him even better. In 2012, getting Berry back and having Houston all year long as well as getting great coaching, he'd only get much better.

Oh ok, so you cant use stats now. BUT WAIT, since you just DID when you mentioned 2010 here you go:


Top 10 Cornerbacks in Success Rate, 2010
Player Team Charted
Targets Yd/Pass Rk Success
Rate Rk Avg. Pass
Distance YAC Rk
Darrelle Revis NYJ 57 5.6 11 70% 1 16.5 4.7 74
Antoine Winfield MIN 57 4.2 1 67% 2 9.0 3.4 40
Stanford Routt OAK 92 5.7 13 66% 3 15.1 4.9 77
Tramon Williams GB 83 5.5 9 66% 4 14.3 4.0 55
Ronald Bartell STL 83 5.2 5 65% 5 14.0 3.2 36
Sean Smith MIA 49 6.7 29 63% 6 11.8 4.4 68
E.J. Biggers TB 65 5.7 12 63% 7 13.3 2.9 25
Joselio Hanson PHI 46 4.4 2 63% 8 9.2 1.5 1
Antonio Cromartie NYJ 102 6.0 16 63% 9 17.1 3.2 32
Brandon Carr KC 105 7.1 35 61% 10 16.1 4.2 58


SPIN SPIN SPIN

milkman
03-18-2012, 12:25 PM
I have to say, zilla, it's pathetic to get owned by a dumbass troll like you've been owned by LAChieffafn.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 12:26 PM
I have to say, zilla, it's pathetic to get owned by a dumbass troll like you've been owned by LAChieffafn.

LMAO

bricks
03-18-2012, 12:27 PM
With the additions of Routt, Hillis, Boss, and now Winston; do you consider this a successful offseason thus far?


If no...who else would we need to sign (realistically) in order for you to consider it a success?

I think its been a pretty good offseason thus far.

Im just looking at it from a simple point of view.

Hillis>Battle or T.Jones

Boss>Pope

Winston>>>>BRich....Light years better. This is the position that has the most significant improvement.

Quinn>Palko. Not saying much here though.

Routt < Carr. But hey, Carr was demanding a lot of $$$. Routt in all honesty is not a bad #2 corner.


*considering what they spent and the value they got in return is what makes it pretty successful imo.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 12:49 PM
You still fail to understand the only thing that matters in this discussion.

The question is, "Would you consider the offseason FA period a success for the Chiefs?".

It doesn't ask how this FA period is affected by any other period or decision of Pioli's that is not a part of this FA period.

In and of itself, this FA period, standing apart from every other issue, is a success.

Ok, that's a fair statement. I was factoring in the coaching moves, which I think is basically free agency. So fine, I agree that in terms of addressing Nose Tackle... that's probably a draft decision.

But still... Your strategy has to change if you made mistakes in the past. Pioli struggled to draft receivers for the Pats. So he bought Moss and Welker. Phenomenal moves, even if Moss flamed out eventually. The moves in the past demanded that the Chiefs get the best stopgap QB. Orton is the ideal stopgap. His contract was short-term, he's a significantly better QB than Cassel, he at least gives you a very good chance of winning a playoff game (badly needed) and a small outside chance of winning a Super Bowl (Cassel gives you zero chance), and he lets you run a regular offense. His contract is also ridiculously cap friendly in 2013 and 2014--he would be a very good backup whereas you absolutely have to cut Cassel in 2013. The second option was Peyton Manning--also a perfect QB because of the Chiefs' current situation. No matter which way you look at it, whether they didn't try or because their reputation is bad, they were embarrassed. The Chiefs are going to walk into 2012 with the window wide open rallying behind a QB who is awful. And that's in spite of the fact that they had opportunity to do much better. Also keep in mind that because of the poor QB class, you know the draft isn't a great option to fill that need either.

At cornerback, let's think about this situationally again. We know this team isn't going to the Super Bowl in 2-3 years because of our QB situation. So why did we trade a 26 year old entering his prime for a 29 year old who is in his prime and probably has about 3 years of prime left in his body (if even that).

So we downgraded two core positions and upgraded 3 support positions. Two of them aren't even going to be full time players. That's discounting the fact that as part of our offseason, we made suboptimal coaching decisions.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 12:52 PM
I have to say, zilla, it's pathetic to get owned by a dumbass troll like you've been owned by LAChieffafn.

Are you really going to sit here and say that, money and age aside, that you would rather have Stanford Routt than Brandon Carr? I don't think anybody in their right mind truly believes that. I don't know how I've been owned because LAChieffan has a few stats to share in a position where stats are very heavily influenced by the talent surrounding you.

milkman
03-18-2012, 12:59 PM
Ok, that's a fair statement. I was factoring in the coaching moves, which I think is basically free agency. So fine, I agree that in terms of addressing Nose Tackle... that's probably a draft decision.

But still... Your strategy has to change if you made mistakes in the past. Pioli struggled to draft receivers for the Pats. So he bought Moss and Welker. Phenomenal moves, even if Moss flamed out eventually. The moves in the past demanded that the Chiefs get the best stopgap QB. Orton is the ideal stopgap. His contract was short-term, he's a significantly better QB than Cassel, he at least gives you a very good chance of winning a playoff game (badly needed) and a small outside chance of winning a Super Bowl (Cassel gives you zero chance), and he lets you run a regular offense. His contract is also ridiculously cap friendly in 2013 and 2014--he would be a very good backup whereas you absolutely have to cut Cassel in 2013. The second option was Peyton Manning--also a perfect QB because of the Chiefs' current situation. No matter which way you look at it, whether they didn't try or because their reputation is bad, they were embarrassed. The Chiefs are going to walk into 2012 with the window wide open rallying behind a QB who is awful. And that's in spite of the fact that they had opportunity to do much better. Also keep in mind that because of the poor QB class, you know the draft isn't a great option to fill that need either.

At cornerback, let's think about this situationally again. We know this team isn't going to the Super Bowl in 2-3 years because of our QB situation. So why did we trade a 26 year old entering his prime for a 29 year old who is in his prime and probably has about 3 years of prime left in his body (if even that).

So we downgraded two core positions and upgraded 3 support positions. Two of them aren't even going to be full time players. That's discounting the fact that as part of our offseason, we made suboptimal coaching decisions.

We are never going to agree about Kyle Ortan and his impact on this team, so we can just throw that out the window.

Regardless of the reason Peyton Manning snubbed the Cheifs, the fact is, he did, and Pioli never had a chance to make that move.

We are also never going to agree about the difference between Carr and Routt, and as I've said, no one was as supportive or as big a fan as I was.

At the end of the day, I don't agree with any of your relative points.

I think Pioli has handled free agency this year exactly the way freeagency should be handled.

He's done a fine job, this year, and this roster, overall is improved.

We aren't winning anything, still, because of Matt Cassel, nor would we with Kyle Ortan.

milkman
03-18-2012, 01:01 PM
Are you really going to sit here and say that, money and age aside, that you would rather have Stanford Routt than Brandon Carr? I don't think anybody in their right mind truly believes that. I don't know how I've been owned because LAChieffan has a few stats to share in a position where stats are very heavily influenced by the talent surrounding you.

I'm saying that, for the difference in contracts, Pioli made a shrewd move and the right decision.

chiefzilla1501
03-18-2012, 01:01 PM
Oh ok, so you cant use stats now. BUT WAIT, since you just DID when you mentioned 2010 here you go:


Top 10 Cornerbacks in Success Rate, 2010
Player Team Charted
Targets Yd/Pass Rk Success
Rate Rk Avg. Pass
Distance YAC Rk
Darrelle Revis NYJ 57 5.6 11 70% 1 16.5 4.7 74
Antoine Winfield MIN 57 4.2 1 67% 2 9.0 3.4 40
Stanford Routt OAK 92 5.7 13 66% 3 15.1 4.9 77
Tramon Williams GB 83 5.5 9 66% 4 14.3 4.0 55
Ronald Bartell STL 83 5.2 5 65% 5 14.0 3.2 36
Sean Smith MIA 49 6.7 29 63% 6 11.8 4.4 68
E.J. Biggers TB 65 5.7 12 63% 7 13.3 2.9 25
Joselio Hanson PHI 46 4.4 2 63% 8 9.2 1.5 1
Antonio Cromartie NYJ 102 6.0 16 63% 9 17.1 3.2 32
Brandon Carr KC 105 7.1 35 61% 10 16.1 4.2 58


SPIN SPIN SPIN

Darrelle Revis is a rare exception. He's a guy who can shut a guy down on an island. Most CBs need help from a supporting cast. A good defensive pass rush makes your CBs look great. It forces QBs to make bad decisions. It turns an accurate throw into an inaccurate throw. We know that the Chiefs in 2010 had a horribly inconsistent pass rush. It was completely invisible for most of those games. The Raiders have a whole lot more push. Their defensive interior is incredibly active and Richard Seymour is the type of guy who influences QBs on a snap by snap basis.

In 2011, there are tons of situational things that could leave Carr out of the top 10. Adding Berry and having Houston all season long would probably have put him back, and he probably could have even broken the top 5.

Your statistics may prove that Routt is a good corner, which we already knew. It doesn't say he's better than Carr. In almost every single free agency wish list, Carr was consistently ranked ahead of Routt.

philfree
03-18-2012, 01:45 PM
What I like so far this FA is the fact that Pioli was ready to pounce when players became available.

There was no way we were going to keep Carr from hitting free agency unless we tagged him. Same for Bowe and we chose Bowe. So with free agency looming when Routt was released Pioli jumped on it and signed him. And he got a better deal because he he signed Routt before free agency started. Great move and we got a CB who isn't a significant downgrade if a downgrade at all.

Same with Winston. He was a suprise release and Pioli jumped on him and got the deal done without giving any other teams a chance. And for a good price.

Those signings were really good work by Pioli IMO.

saphojunkie
03-19-2012, 12:02 AM
This poll asks the question about this free agency period.

I am not satisfied with the overall job that Piol has done as long as Matt Cassel remains the QB.

But my response is based strictly on the question posed.



At the end of the day, I believe the approach to building a team is to build your core through the draft, and to find role players in free agency.

The core was essentially built by the previous regime, with a couple of pieces added by Pioli in the draft in the last couple of years.

Overall, while I agree with the team building approach Pioli has taken, I haven't been overly impressed with the drfat selections he has made.

So, if this poll asks are you happy with the job that Pioli has done overall since he was hired, with Cassel and his drafts, and his prevuious forays into free agency, my answer is a resounding no.

But the question is, are you happy with what Pioli has done in this free agency.

That is what I am responding to, and my answer to that question is yes.

Baldwin
Berry
Moeaki
Hudson
Winston
Houston
Arenas
Lewis

All starters, all pioli. Herm left us some great players, but to say pioli hasn't drafted well is not telling the whole story. Even Tyson Jackson, while. Of worth the #3 pick, is playing well.

Rain Man
03-19-2012, 12:36 AM
This is a great question, and tough to answer.

Do I like our additions? Definitely. I think Hillis may emerge as the steal of the offseason, and Winston and Boss fill holes that we've had. I really don't like losing Carr at all, but we at least got a replacement for him, even if it's a bit of a downgrade, and I also really like Arenas as a CB. We also got some depth at safety, which has been a problem.

Quinn? Seems like another good gamble. He may be nothing or he may live up to his potential at long last. If they let him compete for the starting job, it's a win.

So all of that is good. Obviously the bad part is that quarterback is the biggest need and the most important need. Unless Quinn is viewed as "the guy" and is going to compete and win the position, we didn't address this need. For that reason and that reason alone, I'm voting no.

ThaVirus
03-19-2012, 12:40 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing a Hillis meets (insert ILB) in the hole after getting a 4 yard headstart.

Preferably Von Miller..

Peyton has nothing left to prove. I wouldn't care about winning either. I'd want to go somewhere where I'd enjoy ending my career.

Like others have said, he still needs to prove that he's not a choker. The new Dan Marino.. And if what they say about his competitiveness with Eli is at all true, he needs to get another ring to snub the "Eli is the better Manning" talk.

CoMoChief
03-19-2012, 12:47 AM
I would say that Pioli has done a good job.

However the 2 most important positions on this football team have not been address.

QB and NT.

He's tried w/ Cassel and that plan has miserably failed. He won't ever admit it, and we're going to unfortunately ride that train until it literally flies off of the tracks. Pioli's idea of competition are QB's that don't deserve to start in the NFL, and most likely never will. That's not competition, that's filling a roster spot. Quinn sucks and Stanzi hasn't played enough to really get a grade on how well he's playing, but if you're a betting man you'd think that his lack of playing time would mean it's because he's not ready yet.

This is the 4th season now that we've played in a 34, and we've yet to seriously address the NT position, the most important position on the defense. I'm betting this is what we go after in the draft in the 2nd round. Hope to god we don't reach for Dontario Poe in the 1st. That would be retarded on all levels. He had a monsterous combine, but that doesn't mean shit. He played like shit in college against sub-par competition. That's what matters.

We have enough great players on defense that they'll be fine. However an entire football team fails or succeeds usually on how well the QB plays, since he touches the ball the most and ultimately leads the team to the endzone. Cassel is garbage. Outside of RG3 and Luck, there isn't any QB in this weak draft that's worth of taking in the 1st rd. I really just wish we'd trade Cassel to Miami. They're starving for a QB now.

buddha
03-19-2012, 12:50 AM
Missed out on Manning and Soliai which really burns my ass IMO right now KC is breaking even thus far at best.

Yeah, because Manning was dying to come to KC, right TW???

Manning was never an option, and it's far from certain that he has anything worth having even if he was.

Losing Carr was the real gut punch here. I think Routt is lousy, but hopefully we find some help in the draft.

The offensive FA signings have been terrific in my book. I know its very uncool to say something positive on CP, but GREAT JOB SCOTT!

Tribal Warfare
03-19-2012, 02:05 AM
Yeah, because Manning was dying to come to KC, right TW???

Manning was never an option, and it's far from certain that he has anything worth having even if he was.

Losing Carr was the real gut punch here. I think Routt is lousy, but hopefully we find some help in the draft.

The offensive FA signings have been terrific in my book. I know its very uncool to say something positive on CP, but GREAT JOB SCOTT!

Precisely, hence screwed the motherfuckin pouch!!!!!

mcaj22
03-19-2012, 02:59 AM
i consider it a failure based on the fact that out of Bowe and Carr, one walked and the other has yet to even sign the franchise tender. So you are looking at the potential of

A) Bowe holds out all offseason/training camp
B) They don't get a long term deal done/and he's a one year rental
C) This time next year we are in the same boat with Bowe as we were with Carr, and we lose Bowe to a bigger market team.
D) They get a long term deal done/fans are happy.

If Bowe or Carr was locked up long term, I would have considered this offseason a success. (there is still a chance for Bowe, but I am sure they will sit on this long term deal until the season)

Besides Winston, I don't care about any of these spare parts players they signed for cheap depth.

splatbass
03-19-2012, 03:59 AM
Quinn sucks and Stanzi hasn't played enough to really get a grade on how well he's playing, but if you're a betting man you'd think that his lack of playing time would mean it's because he's not ready yet.



My guess (based on gut feeling only) is that Stanzi wasn't ready last year due to the lack of offseason and short preseason, but that Pioli and Crennel think he's going to be the man pretty soon and signed Quinn as a stop gap. So Quinn or Cassel will start the season, but Stanzi will take over when he is ready.