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DenverChief
03-18-2012, 12:08 AM
So with the addition of Quinn, Boss, Routt, Winston and Hillis - where do we stand salary cap wise and is there enough to go after another Winston type FA and pay the rooks?

-King-
03-18-2012, 12:09 AM
We're in the hole 62 cents.

L.A. Chieffan
03-18-2012, 12:11 AM
Pioli is a fucking wizard.

Fritz88
03-18-2012, 12:18 AM
We can still get Manning and then keep some.
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T-post Tom
03-18-2012, 12:29 AM
We were good until we picked up the Jack Stack bill.

DenverChief
03-18-2012, 01:21 PM
We were good until we picked up the Jack Stack bill.

:LOL:

SNR
03-18-2012, 01:22 PM
Rooks have already been accounted for. They don't go against the salary cap

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-18-2012, 01:22 PM
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For those who have asked, after all of the signings, Bowe franchise tag, source said the Chiefs still have around $15 M of cap space

evolve27
03-18-2012, 01:23 PM
Pioli is a fucking wizard.

I'm sure you meant to say "Pioli is fucking a wizard."

BossChief
03-18-2012, 01:25 PM
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For those who have asked, after all of the signings, Bowe franchise tag, source said the Chiefs still have around $15 M of cap space.

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Rookie pool counts for around 5 million.

10 million left we can spend in FA...most GMs like to keep 3 around during the year to sign players for injury replacements and we have a lot of spots left to fill in depth.

I would be a little surprised to see us make another signing before final cuts when we can pick up some decent vets on reasonable deals.

SNR
03-18-2012, 01:26 PM
I really wouldn't mind some long-term extensions with the rest of this money.

Get Bowe's contract done so we don't have to deal with this headache next year. If we do that it might actually free up even more money depending on how it's structured.

Rausch
03-18-2012, 01:27 PM
I really wouldn't mind some long-term extensions with the rest of this money.

Get Bowe's contract done so we don't have to deal with this headache next year. If we do that it might actually free up even more money depending on how it's structured.

We should have locked up Carr and tagged Bowe.

With that we could still have afforded what we've signed...

johnny961
03-18-2012, 01:28 PM
We can still get Manning and then keep some.
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This. I don't see the cap being an issue. The team could extend/restructure a couple of contracts and gain significant room to maneuver if there was a big name or two out there that the FO really wanted. But I don't think it happens.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-18-2012, 01:29 PM
Lock Albert up now.

SNR
03-18-2012, 01:33 PM
I believe these guys have their contracts up next offseason:

Kendrick Lewis
Glenn Dorsey
Brandon Albert
Jon Asamoah? (I believe 3rd rounders start the trend of 3-year contracts)
Tony Moeaki?

Dorsey and Albert are the biggest question marks. We have no idea if Pioli wants to keep either of them around. Dorsey is the most expendable, especially if Country Strong starts to rape faces this year. I would imagine Albert would be a desirable keep for the right price, which I'll bet we can make happen given Pioli's trend of getting quality players at ridiculous prices

Direckshun
03-18-2012, 01:33 PM
We're in really good shape.

Pioli only committed ~13 mil to four key free agents, plus what we already had in Routt.

We can frontload Bowe so he doesn't cost too much in future seasons. Our cap figure doesn't change too much with him anyway because our cap number currently reflects his franchise tag, which won't be too different from what he's getting.

It's about to get a lot better.

Next year, Albert will eat up a good number, but it will be offset by the team almost certainly cutting Glenn Dorsey. Jackson's contract will be up in '14, but we'll almost certainly ask him to restructure very soon. Those two DEs will free us up something like $20 million, allowing us to continue fishing for the big fish.

johnny961
03-18-2012, 01:34 PM
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For those who have asked, after all of the signings, Bowe franchise tag, source said the Chiefs still have around $15 M of cap space.

...

Rookie pool counts for around 5 million.

10 million left we can spend in FA...most GMs like to keep 3 around during the year to sign players for injury replacements and we have a lot of spots left to fill in depth.

I would be a little surprised to see us make another signing before final cuts when we can pick up some decent vets on reasonable deals.

I was kinda thinking the same thing. I would be surprised to see us do much more in the way of free agency before the cuts begin.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-18-2012, 01:36 PM
Remember after this year we will have 14.7m come off the books when they cut Tyson Jackson no way in hell they pay him that. It's sad he is making 8m this year.

Direckshun
03-18-2012, 01:36 PM
Remember after this year we will have 14.7m come off the books when they cut Tyson Jackson no way in hell they pay him that. It's sad he is making 8m this year.

They won't cut him, but they'll certainly restructure.

I betcha we can get $10 million of that shaved off in 2013.

Combine that with letting Dorsey walk, and this team can continue to be in the hunt.

bevischief
03-18-2012, 01:38 PM
Lock Albert up now.

Yep.

BossChief
03-18-2012, 01:43 PM
We should have locked up Carr and tagged Bowe.

With that we could still have afforded what we've signed...

Carr went on a phone interview on NFLN shortly after he signed with Dallas and said he has always wanted to play for Dallas since he was a kid and turned down a lot of offers to come visit teams to sign with Dallas.

There is an awfully good chance it wasn't our choice to let Carr walk.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-18-2012, 01:43 PM
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2013


Only have 4UFA next year wow thats not bad at all

Mr. Laz
03-18-2012, 01:45 PM
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2013


Only have 4UFA next year wow thats now bad at all
Pioli is a worthless,fat fuck who's never done anything ... ever.

Big Chief Homer
03-18-2012, 01:55 PM
Patrick Allen‏@ArrowheadAddict

Arrowhead Addict Hub Chiefs Still Have $15 Million In Cap Space: … [visit site to read more]Chiefs... http://bit.ly/xsiYA9 Get your fix!

BossChief
03-18-2012, 02:25 PM
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2013


Only have 4UFA next year wow thats not bad at all

Except they arent right....or are they?

Belcher
Albert
Dorsey
Siler
Lilja
Hillis

Pretty sure I could add more if I wanted to do a little research...

wazu
03-18-2012, 02:33 PM
Pioli is a worthless,fat fuck who's never done anything ... ever.

I'm not sure this is entirely fair. He's not exactly thin, but I don't think of him as being "fat". Especially by KC standards.

Micjones
03-18-2012, 04:07 PM
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For those who have asked, after all of the signings, Bowe franchise tag, source said the Chiefs still have around $15 M of cap space.

...

Rookie pool counts for around 5 million.

10 million left we can spend in FA...most GMs like to keep 3 around during the year to sign players for injury replacements and we have a lot of spots left to fill in depth.

I would be a little surprised to see us make another signing before final cuts when we can pick up some decent vets on reasonable deals.

I'd look to sign Derek Landri and Melvin Bullitt.
That would cover a starting Nose Tackle and give us a Backup Safety.
You can get that done with what's left.

CaliforniaChief
03-18-2012, 04:10 PM
I agree with those who say its time to lock up Albert. He seems really excited about the team, especially with the addition of Winston.

Micjones
03-18-2012, 04:12 PM
I agree with those who say its time to lock up Albert. He seems really excited about the team, especially with the addition of Winston.

Do that next year.

Spend the rest of the money on a Nose Tackle/Safety.

Direckshun
03-18-2012, 04:12 PM
Except they arent right....or are they?

Belcher
Albert
Dorsey
Siler
Lilja
Hillis

Pretty sure I could add more if I wanted to do a little research...

You can probably sign Belcher cheap halfway through the season if he looks good enough for it. Siler you can do another one-year deal.

Hillis can walk -- someone will over pay for him. Dorsey can walk too, he's too expensive and can be replaced.

Albert's the big fish, and will probably need to be franchised.

Lilja.... well. He may not even be on the team by this time next year.

Shaid
03-18-2012, 04:31 PM
Lock Albert up now.

This. We need to finalize Bowe and Albert's deals. I'd also look into anyone else going FA next year. I'm not sure on the full list.

whoman69
03-18-2012, 04:45 PM
Patrick Allen‏@ArrowheadAddict

Arrowhead Addict Hub Chiefs Still Have $15 Million In Cap Space: [visit site to read more]Chiefs... http://bit.ly/xsiYA9 Get your fix!

Wonder if he's counting the $20 million they rolled over from last year.

BossChief
03-18-2012, 04:48 PM
I agree with those who say its time to lock up Albert. He seems really excited about the team, especially with the addition of Winston.
link?

Ive heard stuff to the contrary going back before last year and it would be nice to see him make some remarks that are positive about his thoughts on staying in KC.

I heard he wanted to go to NY from the same guy that told me about the Haley finger pointing thing with McDaniels.

I hope you aren't just assuming...it would give me a sigh of relief in a sense.

Otherwise, I am just taking it for granted that he will NEED to be franchised and that in two years he will want out.

aturnis
03-18-2012, 05:10 PM
You can probably sign Belcher cheap halfway through the season if he looks good enough for it. Siler you can do another one-year deal.

Hillis can walk -- someone will over pay for him. Dorsey can walk too, he's too expensive and can be replaced.

Albert's the big fish, and will probably need to be franchised.

Lilja.... well. He may not even be on the team by this time next year.

Albert has been very average at his best, and I'd expect him to command a very average contract. In my eyes, he's anything but a big fish.

I'd wait to give him a new contract. Either he has yet another average year, or he plays very wheel and makes himself a few million more bucks.

aturnis
03-18-2012, 05:15 PM
link?

Ive heard stuff to the contrary going back before last year and it would be nice to see him make some remarks that are positive about his thoughts on staying in KC.

I heard he wanted to go to NY from the same guy that told me about the Haley finger pointing thing with McDaniels.

I hope you aren't just assuming...it would give me a sigh of relief in a sense.

Otherwise, I am just taking it for granted that he will NEED to be franchised and that in two years he will want out.

Would you really franchise Albert? Do you think he deserves that kind of money?

BossChief
03-18-2012, 05:25 PM
Albert turned a corner last year and I think his physical tools matched up with his mental preparation is something that isnt gonna go away.

He faced a premier pass rusher every week and had a great year.

Id give him a 5 year deal for franchise LT money right now.

Something like 5/45-50 is what I expet him to be looking for after this year...and Id give it to him.

Mr. Laz
03-18-2012, 06:22 PM
i would think that Albert would be pretty happy now that Haley is gone.

BossChief
03-18-2012, 06:27 PM
Good point, Laz.

The last time I heard stuff about that was when Haley was still here.

Flachief58
03-18-2012, 06:36 PM
link?

Ive heard stuff to the contrary going back before last year and it would be nice to see him make some remarks that are positive about his thoughts on staying in KC.

I heard he wanted to go to NY from the same guy that told me about the Haley finger pointing thing with McDaniels.

I hope you aren't just assuming...it would give me a sigh of relief in a sense.

Otherwise, I am just taking it for granted that he will NEED to be franchised and that in two years he will want out.

He tweeted this yesterday.

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Man I love being a chief!!!!! Easy!!! Just want to win....

Nightfyre
03-19-2012, 06:43 AM
Albert turned a corner last year and I think his physical tools matched up with his mental preparation is something that isnt gonna go away.

He faced a premier pass rusher every week and had a great year.

Id give him a 5 year deal for franchise LT money right now.

Something like 5/45-50 is what I expet him to be looking for after this year...and Id give it to him.

Currently:
Albert 3.218MM
Bowe 9.443MM
Dorsey 5.586MM

We have 15MM in space left currently and can anticipate spending about 5MM of that on rookies. We also have to be wary of the fact that we lose 20MM in cap space next year. If I am the Chiefs, I look at trading Dorsey, trading down and drafting Brockers in the first and resigning Bowe and Albert each at about 5 years/40MM.

DBoweShow
03-19-2012, 07:16 AM
Currently:
Albert 3.218MM
Bowe 9.443MM
Dorsey 5.586MM

We have 15MM in space left currently and can anticipate spending about 5MM of that on rookies. We also have to be wary of the fact that we lose 20MM in cap space next year. If I am the Chiefs, I look at trading Dorsey, trading down and drafting Brockers in the first and resigning Bowe and Albert each at about 5 years/40MM.

Good luck with resigning Bowe to that deal after Vincent Jackson got his 5 year 55 million deal.

royr17
03-19-2012, 09:16 AM
Good luck with resigning Bowe to that deal after Vincent Jackson got his 5 year 55 million deal.

Vincent Jacksons Stats since 2005

2005 - 3 rec 59 yards receiving 0 tds
2006 - 27 rec 453 yards receiving 6 tds
2007 - 41 rec 623 yards receiving 3 tds
2008 - 59 rec 1098 yards receiving 7 tds
2009 - 68 rec 1167 yards receiving 9 tds
2010 - 14 rec 248 yards receiving 3 tds
2011 - 60 rec 1106 yards receiving 9 tds

Total - 272 rec 4754 yards receiving 37 tds

Dwayne Bowes Stats since 2007

2007 - 70 rec 995 yards receiving 5 tds
2008 - 86 rec 1022 yards receiving 7 tds
2009 - 47 rec 589 yards receiving 4 tds
2010 - 72 rec 1162 yards receiving 15 tds
2011 - 81 rec 1159 yards receiving 5 tds

Total - 356 rec 4927 yards receiving 36 tds

So explain to me why Bowe is not worthy of a contract like that when all numbers are similar except for the fact that Bowe did this all in a 5 year period compared to Jacksons 7 years in the league.

royr17
03-19-2012, 09:19 AM
Currently:
Albert 3.218MM
Bowe 9.443MM
Dorsey 5.586MM

We have 15MM in space left currently and can anticipate spending about 5MM of that on rookies. We also have to be wary of the fact that we lose 20MM in cap space next year. If I am the Chiefs, I look at trading Dorsey, trading down and drafting Brockers in the first and resigning Bowe and Albert each at about 5 years/40MM.

Bowe is worth more than 40 MM. He deserves the same deal that Jackson got maybe more.

Mile High Mania
03-19-2012, 09:49 AM
Vincent Jacksons Stats since 2005

2005 - 3 rec 59 yards receiving 0 tds
2006 - 27 rec 453 yards receiving 6 tds
2007 - 41 rec 623 yards receiving 3 tds
2008 - 59 rec 1098 yards receiving 7 tds
2009 - 68 rec 1167 yards receiving 9 tds
2010 - 14 rec 248 yards receiving 3 tds
2011 - 60 rec 1106 yards receiving 9 tds

Total - 272 rec 4754 yards receiving 37 tds

Dwayne Bowes Stats since 2007

2007 - 70 rec 995 yards receiving 5 tds
2008 - 86 rec 1022 yards receiving 7 tds
2009 - 47 rec 589 yards receiving 4 tds
2010 - 72 rec 1162 yards receiving 15 tds
2011 - 81 rec 1159 yards receiving 5 tds

Total - 356 rec 4927 yards receiving 36 tds

So explain to me why Bowe is not worthy of a contract like that when all numbers are similar except for the fact that Bowe did this all in a 5 year period compared to Jacksons 7 years in the league.

He deserves big money.

royr17
03-19-2012, 09:52 AM
He deserves big money.

Yes he does. Haley did a great job with him. He actually deserves a 5 year deal worth 60 million in my opinion.

Nightfyre
03-19-2012, 10:37 AM
There is no way to justify any receiver not named megatron receiving 10% of your cap space. If those are his demands, trade him to someone who will pay him and draft a receiver.

Nightfyre
03-19-2012, 06:56 PM
Yes he does. Haley did a great job with him. He actually deserves a 5 year deal worth 60 million in my opinion.

I thought of something today. If Bowe says he needs a deal worth 60/5 years, I tell him that I will just franchise him again next year and he had better pray he doesn't get hurt over the next two years. After that he'll be like 29 and won't be able to pick up a big deal anyway. Play hard ball. The Chiefs have all the leverage.

kcpasco
03-19-2012, 06:58 PM
Except I don't think you can use the franchise tag back to back on same player

Nightfyre
03-19-2012, 06:59 PM
Except I don't think you can use the franchise tag back to back on same player

Except you can for a 20% minimum increase in salary.

Wilson8
07-01-2012, 10:45 AM
Available salary cap space for all 32 NFL teams
By Brian McIntyre
Published: July 1, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.

As we turn over the calendar to July, and with training camps opening in a few weeks, it's a good time to look at how much salary cap space remains for each team. According to a source with access to NFL salary cap data, AFC teams have $162,554,428 in available salary cap space, led by the Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans, who are Nos. 1 and 2 in the league. (Don't think Maurice Jones-Drew and Josh Scobee haven't noticed where the Jaguars rank)

NFC teams have $111,397,452 in available cap space, led by the Philadelphia Eagles and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, despite those two teams being among the league's big spenders this offseason.

With three teams in the Top 10, the AFC South has nearly $64 million in available salary cap space. Teams in the NFC West have a league-low $19,019,732 in available cap space. Here's how it all breaks down:

Jacksonville Jaguars: $25,115,885
Tennessee Titans: $19,970,080
Cleveland Browns: $17,774,764
Kansas City Chiefs: $16,548,048
Cincinnati Bengals: $16,309,693
Philadelphia Eagles: $15,879,570
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $15,740,231
Indianapolis Colts: $14,595,514
Green Bay Packers: $11,255,804
Denver Broncos: $10,878,461
New England Patriots: $10,873,988
Minnesota Vikings: $10,595,534
Carolina Panthers: $8,769,801
Seattle Seahawks: $7,470,071
Buffalo Bills: $7,382,319
Dallas Cowboys: $7,188,021
Washington Redskins: $6,970,162
New York Jets: $6,044,153
Arizona Cardinals: $4,552,576
Miami Dolphins: $4,458,211
Houston Texans: $4,053,256
Chicago Bears: $3,976,700
Detroit Lions: $3,775,829
Pittsburgh Steelers: $3,734,063
St. Louis Rams: $3,602,486
San Francisco 49ers: $3,394,599
New York Giants: $3,119,114
San Diego Chargers: $2,862,095
Atlanta Falcons: $2,834,873
New Orleans Saints: $2,272,081
Oakland Raiders: $1,347,040
Baltimore Ravens: $606,858

The figures above do not include the recent signings of Falcons safety Chris Hope, Vikings defensive end Jeff Charleston or Saints third-round defensive tackle Akiem Hicks, each of which is expected to have minimal impact on their respective teams' current cap situation.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a421db/article/available-salary-cap-space-for-all-32-nfl-teams?module=HP11_content_stream

Wilson8
07-01-2012, 01:26 PM
Looking through NFL free agents I don't see anyone that would be an improvement for the Chiefs.

They can use some of that money to sign Dontari Poe *, extend Branden Albert (2013 free agent), sign Jovan Belcher to a longer term contract, and still have money for any other 2012 roster changes.

*Fletcher Cox, the 2012 12th pick, is costing Philadelphia around $1,862,000 against the 2012 cap, so Poe might be between $2 million to $2.5 million when his contract is complete.

Count Zarth
07-01-2012, 01:26 PM
pioli sucks

BigMeatballDave
07-01-2012, 01:29 PM
Looking through NFL free agents I don't see anyone that would be an improvement for the Chiefs.

They can use some of that money to sign Dontari Poe *, extend Branden Albert (2013 free agent), sign Jovan Belcher to a longer term contract, and still have money for any other 2012 roster changes.

*Fletcher Cox, the 2012 12th pick, is costing Philadelphia around $1,862,000 against the 2012 cap, so Poe might be between $2 million to $2.5 million when his contract is complete.

Don't forget about Bowe.

BigMeatballDave
07-01-2012, 01:31 PM
I wonder what kind of money Albert will want?

Wilson8
07-01-2012, 02:01 PM
That's true, Bowe's contract is another consideration for the Chiefs.

Bowe's $9.5 Million Franchise Tag amount is already figured into the $16,548 surplus. Hopefully when KC and Bowe reach an agreement, it won't cost the 2012 cap too much more.

Right now the largest cap hits for WRs for 2012...

Larry Fitzgerald $13,250,000
Vincent Jackson $13,000,000
Dwayne Bowe $9,515,000
Wes Welker $9,515,000
Brandon Marshall $9,300,000
Santonio Holmes $9,250,000
Sydney Rice $9,000,000
Calvin Johnson $8,950,000
Roddy White $8,025,000
Greg Jennings $7,947,500

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/wide-receiver/

stonedstooge
07-01-2012, 02:34 PM
Clark says "looks like I'll have to pocket that money myself. Another good year for me."

O.city
07-01-2012, 02:39 PM
There are probably going to be some decent players available, that get cut or released from some teams that we could sign for decent backup roles. So I guess this is a good thing.



Which brings up another question. What positions do we need to be looking for when the time comes?

O.city
07-01-2012, 02:51 PM
Maybe we are saving money to pay Drew Brees when we trade for him?

Mr. Laz
07-01-2012, 04:18 PM
is the 9 million for Bowe already included since he hasn't signed the tender?

if not the 15 turns to 6 and some of that 6 probably goes to Poe

milkman
07-01-2012, 04:22 PM
is the 9 million for Bowe already included since he hasn't signed the tender?

if not the 15 turns to 6 and some of that 6 probably goes to Poe

Reading is fundamental.

That's true, Bowe's contract is another consideration for the Chiefs.

Bowe's $9.5 Million Franchise Tag amount is already figured into the $16,548 surplus. Hopefully when KC and Bowe reach an agreement, it won't cost the 2012 cap too much more.

Right now the largest cap hits for WRs for 2012...

Larry Fitzgerald $13,250,000
Vincent Jackson $13,000,000
Dwayne Bowe $9,515,000
Wes Welker $9,515,000
Brandon Marshall $9,300,000
Santonio Holmes $9,250,000
Sydney Rice $9,000,000
Calvin Johnson $8,950,000
Roddy White $8,025,000
Greg Jennings $7,947,500

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/wide-receiver/

Okie_Apparition
07-01-2012, 04:22 PM
9+ million will by Marshall alot of greasy cheeseburger wrappers

BigMeatballDave
07-01-2012, 04:50 PM
The deadline to sign Tenders is July 15th, right?

BossChief
07-01-2012, 04:56 PM
The deadline to sign Tenders is July 15th, right?

No.

That's the deadline to get a long term deal signed.

If Bowe hasn't signed a long term deal by then, he has to play on the franchise tag this year and we can't extend him until after the year is over.

At least thats how I understand it.

BigMeatballDave
07-01-2012, 05:03 PM
No.

That's the deadline to get a long term deal signed.

If Bowe hasn't signed a long term deal by then, he has to play on the franchise tag this year and we can't extend him until after the year is over.

At least thats how I understand it.

That sounds right. Thanks.