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Mr_Tomahawk
03-18-2012, 12:26 PM
With Cassel/Stanzi/Quinn now on board, do you think they we still draft a QB?


I say no...

I think Quinn was brought in because of his familiarity with Daboll's offense. -Won't be cut-

Both Cassel is Pioli golden-boy and Stanzi was drafted under Pioli. -Niether will be cut-

We aren't going to go into the season with 4 QBs on the roster.

Guru
03-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Damn well better.

Fritz88
03-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Polio said you have to draft a QB in every draft so I am thinking he'll grab one in the later rounds.
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Mr_Tomahawk
03-18-2012, 01:19 PM
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Deberg_1990
03-18-2012, 01:20 PM
Doubtful now. If they do it won't be till late.

Infidel Goat
03-18-2012, 02:04 PM
I see the Brady Quinn signing as the perfect smokescreen to prevent anyone from thinking that they need to trade in front of us to take Tannehill.

johnny961
03-18-2012, 02:06 PM
Maybe in the later rounds.

Rausch
03-18-2012, 02:08 PM
Nope.

We've done all we could to prepare this offense for a QB.

I can only hope the next step is to actually try to draft one...

mikey23545
03-18-2012, 02:19 PM
Depends whether they sign Manning or not...

Lightrise
03-18-2012, 02:19 PM
I see the Brady Quinn signing as the perfect smokescreen to prevent anyone from thinking that they need to trade in front of us to take Tannehill.

I agree, but Jacksonville also bought a smoke screen...Henne for 2 years, they aren't sure about Cleveland.

Bewbies
03-18-2012, 02:20 PM
Yep. We're gonna draft one.

el borracho
03-18-2012, 07:22 PM
Seems unlikely with two projects (Quinn and Stanzi) on the roster already. Hopefully the Chiefs are in a position to take a legit QB prospect early in the draft next year.

seaofred
03-18-2012, 07:29 PM
Seems unlikely with two projects (Quinn and Stanzi) on the roster already. Hopefully the Chiefs are in a position to take a legit QB prospect early in the draft next year.

Sorry, but Quinn has been in the league way too long to still be called a project. He is what he is, a career backup.

Chiefshrink
03-18-2012, 07:35 PM
I see the Brady Quinn signing as the perfect smokescreen to prevent anyone from thinking that they need to trade in front of us to take Tannehill.

Damn I love your positive thinking and strategy here:thumb:

Chiefshrink
03-18-2012, 07:38 PM
What's everyone's thought about Hasselbeck if Manning chooses the Titans? When Hasselbeck has had the talent around him with a good O-line he has always produced and has been to a SB. I realize his best days are behind him but he is still better than Cassel.

ILChief
03-18-2012, 07:39 PM
I'm not sure I even want Tannehill. I dont want to draft a QB just for the sake of doing it. We need the right QB

lewdog
03-18-2012, 07:51 PM
We already have 3 projects on the roster....why not add a 4th! :facepalm:

Bane
03-18-2012, 08:02 PM
What's everyone's thought about Hasselbeck if Manning chooses the Titans? When Hasselbeck has had the talent around him with a good O-line he has always produced and has been to a SB. I realize his best days are behind him but he is still better than Cassel.

Works for me but it won't happen cause he'd beat Casshole out in about 3 passes.

TEX
03-18-2012, 08:05 PM
No. Shame too because the most important position on the team will set them back. :shake:

SNR
03-18-2012, 08:12 PM
No. Shame too because the most important position on the team will set them back. :shake:Beyond Luck, RGIII, and possibly Tannehill, there are no solutions to our QB problem in this draft

BossChief
03-18-2012, 08:26 PM
Beyond Luck, RGIII, and possibly Tannehill, there are no solutions to our QB problem in this draft

I would draft Foles with our second rounder.

You know what would be real nice?

Richardson drops to 11 and the Bengals offer their #17 pick and their second rounder to move up to take him.

We take Konz or Decastro at 17 and Foles with our original second rounder and Chapman or one of the good backs that could fall to our pick.

The line is fixed and looks to be in God mode for a few years...we have a good quarterback prospect as well as a pretty good nose guard, too.

Whatdoyathink?

zonachief
03-18-2012, 08:31 PM
I would draft Foles with our second rounder.

You know what would be real nice?

Richardson drops to 11 and the Bengals offer their #17 pick and their second rounder to move up to take him.

We take Konz or Decastro at 17 and Foles with our original second rounder and Chapman or one of the good backs that could fall to our pick.

The line is fixed and looks to be in God mode for a few years...we have a good quarterback prospect as well as a pretty good nose guard, too.

Whatdoyathink?

What do I think? I think I just came a little.

I'm a big fan of foles, even as an ASU fan.

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BigMeatballDave
03-18-2012, 08:33 PM
I would draft Foles with our second rounder.

You know what would be real nice?

Richardson drops to 11 and the Bengals offer their #17 pick and their second rounder to move up to take him.

We take Konz or Decastro at 17 and Foles with our original second rounder and Chapman or one of the good backs that could fall to our pick.

The line is fixed and looks to be in God mode for a few years...we have a good quarterback prospect as well as a pretty good nose guard, too.

Whatdoyathink?

I like this.

Simply Red
03-18-2012, 08:35 PM
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Rain Man
03-18-2012, 08:39 PM
I think the answer is no on "will they", but yes on "should they". With the rules of the game today and the fact that it is so dangerously out of balance toward offense and the pass, a smart team today should spend every single draft pick on quarterbacks every single year until they find a franchise guy. Then when that guy is in place you start drafting other positions.

NFL football is starting to disgust me. It's a quarterback and 21 bit players now. I see no reason why a kid today would start playing the defensive backfield. Either be a quarterback or go take math and science courses.

zonachief
03-18-2012, 08:40 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/2n3wb6.gif

I wonder how this gay pic came about? Seriously.

"Hey bros! know what would be funny? If we all took a pic where we grabed each others junk, bros"

Sidenote. I'm gonna try this at a bar sometime with a couple of chicks.

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BossChief
03-18-2012, 08:42 PM
Funny how things can change over the course of a single season.

Prior to this last season of college football, I though the top three quarterbacks, come draft time, would be

Luck
Barkley
Foles

I was a big fan of Foles and thought that if he played well, he could very well be the second qb off the board.

Here we are, a month away from the draft and the top 3 are

Luck
Rg3
Tanehill

And Foles is a 2/3 rounder.

Personally, I wouldn't be disappointed if we moved up from our second rounder to take him because I think he is vastly underrated by most everybody.

Chief_For_Life58
03-18-2012, 09:00 PM
I think the answer is no on "will they", but yes on "should they". With the rules of the game today and the fact that it is so dangerously out of balance toward offense and the pass, a smart team today should spend every single draft pick on quarterbacks every single year until they find a franchise guy. Then when that guy is in place you start drafting other positions.

NFL football is starting to disgust me. It's a quarterback and 21 bit players now. I see no reason why a kid today would start playing the defensive backfield. Either be a quarterback or go take math and science courses.

draft a qb and have 4 qbs under contract? probably not. Signing quin really intrigues me. Crennel drafting him. I remember him being a really good college player. How old is he? 27? Hopefully he beats cassel out for the starting spot. hopefully stanzi beats them all out.

KCDC
03-19-2012, 12:13 AM
For whatever reason, the front office has little faith in Stanzi. Unless Quinn has a miraculous series of performances, this could be his last stop in the NFL. I think Pioli drafts a QB and hopes for a sleeper. If he finds one, Quinn is gone. If not, they cut either the late round pick or Stanzi.

buddha
03-19-2012, 12:25 AM
With Cassel/Stanzi/Quinn now on board, do you think they we still draft a QB?

How could they possibly improve THAT group of all stars??? Don't even try! ROFL

mnchiefsguy
03-19-2012, 12:29 AM
I voted no. We might pick one up in the later rounds, but that would just be for training camp fodder, so I did not count that. I think the signing of Quinn sealed the deal. Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi will be our qb's, and probably in that order.

saphojunkie
03-19-2012, 12:29 AM
They absolutely should not draft a QB this year. You are automatically reaching for anyone, because the elite propects are gone. If we can trade down, then hopefully it gives us firepower to move up next year for Landry or another top prospect.

Fuck Barkley though. USC turd quarterbacks.

Bewbies
03-19-2012, 12:37 AM
They absolutely should not draft a QB this year. You are automatically reaching for anyone, because the elite propects are gone. If we can trade down, then hopefully it gives us firepower to move up next year for Landry or another top prospect.

**** Barkley though. USC turd quarterbacks.

So drafting a project late is a reach?

buddha
03-19-2012, 12:43 AM
They absolutely should not draft a QB this year. You are automatically reaching for anyone, because the elite propects are gone. If we can trade down, then hopefully it gives us firepower to move up next year for Landry or another top prospect.

**** Barkley though. USC turd quarterbacks.

This is so jacked up, it's hard to know where to begin.

"Elite" QBs only go at the top of the first round, right? Tom Brady, Joe Montana and a host of others are laughing at you.

And, for my money, if KC could get Barkley next year, I wouldn't think twice...you do that in a heart beat.

saphojunkie
03-19-2012, 12:48 AM
This is so jacked up, it's hard to know where to begin.

"Elite" QBs only go at the top of the first round, right? Tom Brady, Joe Montana and a host of others are laughing at you.

And, for my money, if KC could get Barkley next year, I wouldn't think twice...you do that in a heart beat.

Elite QB PROSPECTS - that's different than elite QB. The guys with obvious, unarguable potential go early. Tannehill at 11?? Are you ****ing kidding me?

And if one more person brings up Tom Brady as an example of how to draft and develope a QB I'm going to murder someone.

People win the lottery. That doesn't make it a good bet.

Did you watch Barkley? Living in LA, I end up seeing a lot of USC games. The guy just seems way too overhyped for me. It's the same as Palmer, leinert, Sanchez...surrounded by NFL talent in a weak conference. The guy had the best left tackle in the draft and two LEGIT first round picks at wide receiver.

No thanks.

BossChief
03-19-2012, 12:50 AM
They absolutely should not draft a QB this year. You are automatically reaching for anyone, because the elite propects are gone. If we can trade down, then hopefully it gives us firepower to move up next year for Landry or another top prospect.

Fuck Barkley though. USC turd quarterbacks.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

saphojunkie
03-19-2012, 12:54 AM
So drafting a project late is a reach?

It's a bandaid.

We did that with Stanzi. I want a TOP qb prospect that the players, coaches, and front office are behind as the future from day one.

Enough projects.

saphojunkie
03-19-2012, 12:56 AM
I just threw up in my mouth a little.

It sucks. I'm not saying it doesn't. But it's the reality of missing out on Manning, Luck, and RG3.

I don't want us to go Vikings style and reach for a Christian Ponder.

BossChief
03-19-2012, 12:56 AM
Elite QB PROSPECTS - that's different than elite QB. The guys with obvious, unarguable potential go early. Tannehill at 11?? Are you ****ing kidding me?

And if one more person brings up Tom Brady as an example of how to draft and develope a QB I'm going to murder someone.

People win the lottery. That doesn't make it a good bet.

Did you watch Barkley? Living in LA, I end up seeing a lot of USC games. The guy just seems way too overhyped for me. It's the same as Palmer, leinert, Sanchez...surrounded by NFL talent in a weak conference. No thanks.

Sell me on 4 or 5 quarterbacks coming out next year that are better than Tanehill.

With the amount of talent this team has, we will almost assuredly make the playoffs and be picking well out of range of the elite guys.

If I have the choice between taking Tanehill now (while Cassel is entrenched as the starter, anyway and Tanehill could sit and learn as he should) or waiting next year HOPING FOR A GUY LIKE LANDRY FUCKING JONES....well, Ill take the bird in the hand.

From what I can tell, the kid has natural instincts for the position...has a live arm...is very mobile...is smart...

His only real drawback seems to be inexperience. Te rest is there.

If you say Landry Jones, Im gonna kindly ask you to go to your local wal mart...purchase 1 large glass and a gallon of Peak Antifreeze (tm) and dont stop drinking that shit till the jug is gone.

buddha
03-19-2012, 12:57 AM
Elite QB PROSPECTS - that's different than elite QB. The guys with obvious, unarguable potential go early. Tannehill at 11?? Are you ****ing kidding me?

And if one more person brings up Tom Brady as an example of how to draft and develope a QB I'm going to murder someone.

People win the lottery. That doesn't make it a good bet.

Did you watch Barkley? Living in LA, I end up seeing a lot of USC games. The guy just seems way too overhyped for me. It's the same as Palmer, leinert, Sanchez...surrounded by NFL talent in a weak conference. No thanks.

Obvious, unarguable potential like who??? David Carr, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf...the list goes on and on. Are YOU f'ing kidding me???

Don't like Tom Brady. Fine. What about Drew Brees? Don't like him? Okay, I could name a dozen other non-first round, non "elite" QBs who had very productive NFL careers. However, we all know that you don't have to be a high first round pick to develop into a great QB in the NFL, right?

I watched Barkley too...I live in California and see most USC games. You give nothing to back up your dislike for Barkley. The kid can make all of the throws, he's very competitive, and he is a leader. I'm not a USC fan, but that kid looks pretty darn good to me.

saphojunkie
03-19-2012, 12:57 AM
Landry Jones. Request denied.

saphojunkie
03-19-2012, 01:02 AM
Obvious, unarguable potential like who??? David Carr, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf...the list goes on and on. Are YOU f'ing kidding me???

Don't like Tom Brady. Fine. What about Drew Brees? Don't like him? Okay, I could name a dozen other non-first round, non "elite" QBs who had very productive NFL careers. However, we all know that you don't have to be a high first round pick to develop into a great QB in the NFL, right?

I watched Barkley too...I live in California and see most USC games. You give nothing to back up your dislike for Barkley. The kid can make all of the throws, he's very competitive, and he is a leader. I'm not a USC fan, but that kid looks pretty darn good to me.


"the list goes on" is a euphemism for "I have no other examples."

And i gave a very legitimate reason for not liking Barkley. The usc system surrounds good College QB with elite NFL talent. I dont trust Barkley at all to transition to the pros, where the other team has speed, size, and strength as well.

To your other point:

Of COURSE there are plenty of capable quarterbacks take. In later rounds. I'm talking about prospects.

And bringing up busts only supports my point that QB prospects with OBVIOUS potential are snagged as early as possible.

BossChief
03-19-2012, 01:12 AM
Every fucking year we hear this total crap.

"next year is better to get our franchise quarterback"

then, next year comes and

"well, we are just out of range....just look at how many franchise quarterbacks are in the next draft"

rinse and repeat.

Is Tanehill a sure thing?

No, no draft pick is.

Does he have the tools to do everything that Cassel does?

Without question he does, and the potential to do a whole lot more.

He isnt a pussy, so he does have that going for him.

buddha
03-19-2012, 01:18 AM
sapho...you can't even argue your own point. The point is that there are busts at every stage of the draft. There are very few sure things out there, especially at the QB position. Obvious potential means nothing, Ryan Leaf had more "obvious potential" than did Peyton Manning (according to most GMs and draft experts at the time).

Greatness at QB is not dependent on being a high first round pick.

As for euphemisms...I have no interest in listing 50 busts just for your amusement. You're the one that has the jacked up reasoning here. Show us how many HOF QBs were "elite" prospects coming out of college? Johnny Unitas can't wait to hear you bungle through that strained logic again.

buddha
03-19-2012, 01:20 AM
Every ****ing year we hear this total crap.

"next year is better to get our franchise quarterback"

then, next year comes and

"well, we are just out of range....just look at how many franchise quarterbacks are in the next draft"

rinse and repeat.

Is Tanehill a sure thing?

No, no draft pick is.

Does he have the tools to do everything that Cassel does?

Without question he does, and the potential to do a whole lot more.

He isnt a pussy, so he does have that going for him.

I'm with you BossChief. I think Tannehill has at least as much talent as Dalton did a year ago, and Dalton looks like he will do well in Cincy...with very marginal talent around him. I don't think Tannehill would be a bad pick at all where the Chiefs are picking.

BossChief
03-19-2012, 01:34 AM
I'm with you BossChief. I think Tannehill has at least as much talent as Dalton did a year ago, and Dalton looks like he will do well in Cincy...with very marginal talent around him. I don't think Tannehill would be a bad pick at all where the Chiefs are picking.

TBH Stanzi has as much talent as Dalton. That's not just an Iowa fan telling you that, either. Look up Mayock or Kiper or most of the other draft guys takes on him and pretty much everybody said Stanzi was in the same class as Dalton and Ponder.

Im just tired of this team only having one option...even though we already have Stanzi I would be totally ok with making a move to grab what they might see as a legit option for a franchise quarterback to "double up" on the position...remember, we interviewed the kid at the combine.

I wonder if they will get him in for a private workout.

SNR
03-19-2012, 02:02 AM
I would draft Foles with our second rounder.

You know what would be real nice?

Richardson drops to 11 and the Bengals offer their #17 pick and their second rounder to move up to take him.

We take Konz or Decastro at 17 and Foles with our original second rounder and Chapman or one of the good backs that could fall to our pick.

The line is fixed and looks to be in God mode for a few years...we have a good quarterback prospect as well as a pretty good nose guard, too.

Whatdoyathink?So what does our QB depth chart look like after we draft Foles? Are we cutting Cassel?

I know we should, but that's not what will happen.

BossChief
03-19-2012, 02:16 AM
So what does our QB depth chart look like after we draft Foles? Are we cutting Cassel?

I know we should, but that's not what will happen.

What, I'm not rude...Ill wave goodbye to Brady Quinn when he is cut.

Or

If they feel like Stanzi just inst getting the mental part of the game and that Quinn is...then you cut Stanzi.

Cassel
Tanehill
Stanzi/Quinn

Im a Chiefs fan that happens to like Stanzi...not the other way around. I just want a real quarterback and am not willing to waste 3 or 4 more years waiting forever for NEXT YEAR when an option is there THIS YEAR that is probably every bit as good as the guys that would be available to us NEXT YEAR.

If that means we have to call it on the Stanzimania, so be it.

Hell, its not out of the question to keep 4 quarterbacks, either. Shit we basically kept 2 fullbacks last year in McClain and Battle...whats the difference?

This roster is stacked...time to make a real attempt to upgrade at quarterback

Whether that is in the first with Tanehill or Foles in the second, I don't really care.

Chocolate Hog
03-19-2012, 02:32 AM
TBH Stanzi has as much talent as Dalton. That's not just an Iowa fan telling you that, either. Look up Mayock or Kiper or most of the other draft guys takes on him and pretty much everybody said Stanzi was in the same class as Dalton and Ponder.

Im just tired of this team only having one option...even though we already have Stanzi I would be totally ok with making a move to grab what they might see as a legit option for a franchise quarterback to "double up" on the position...remember, we interviewed the kid at the combine.

I wonder if they will get him in for a private workout.

That's why 1 was a 2nd round pick the other was a 5th round pick.

SNR
03-19-2012, 02:35 AM
What, I'm not rude...Ill wave goodbye to Brady Quinn when he is cut.

Or

If they feel like Stanzi just inst getting the mental part of the game and that Quinn is...then you cut Stanzi.

Cassel
Tanehill
Stanzi/Quinn

Im a Chiefs fan that happens to like Stanzi...not the other way around. I just want a real quarterback and am not willing to waste 3 or 4 more years waiting forever for NEXT YEAR when an option is there THIS YEAR that is probably every bit as good as the guys that would be available to us NEXT YEAR.

If that means we have to call it on the Stanzimania, so be it.

Hell, its not out of the question to keep 4 quarterbacks, either. Shit we basically kept 2 fullbacks last year in McClain and Battle...whats the difference?

This roster is stacked...time to make a real attempt to upgrade at quarterback

Whether that is in the first with Tanehill or Foles in the second, I don't really care.I'm with you on that, but I'm also not a fan of drafting project guys only to abandon their progress so quickly. They're projects. They take time. They need coaching, training camp snaps, and time on the sidelines during games finding out just how different the NFL is from the NCAA.

Personally, I don't see what others do in Foles. I like his size and athletic attributes a lot, but he's kind of like a smaller version of Brock Osweiler only with a slightly better arm. From the game footage of Arizona I just don't see the NFL throw. I see a guy with a big arm, but it's not connecting. It's not dissecting the defense. It's throwing to open guys down the field and checking down, just like Cassel. And the throws downfield aren't that impressive. He's not even close to threading needles like Luck does. Hell, he doesn't even thread needles like Kirk Cousins does. He's got a lot to work on his arm to make it more compact and accurate, and I'd rather not waste several seasons on that bullshit.

We've got a year invested in Stanzi. That's good. We're making progress there. What we SHOULD be doing is trying to find a team that would be willing to sacrifice a first round pick in next year's draft. Let's say Trent Richardson is available at 11 and the Redskins want him. We should absolutely take the Redskins' 2nd rounder this year and their 1st rounder next year plus some other draft pick. It puts us in a good position to have a QB available to us next year, and if we're still out of reach, now we have added firepower to trade up and grab a first round guy who doesn't need the bullshit coached out of him like Foles does.

Basically, I'm saying it's fine to have a project QB. It's fine to have two project QBs if you want to be thorough. It's fucking idiocy to take a project QB and replace him with another project QB the next year, though. Either you upgrade the position, get better depth, or go fist your grandmother and wait another 40 years for a Super Bowl, because it doesn't do any good sitting around playing with yourself pretending you're doing something about the QB position when you're just keeping the status quo.

evolve27
03-19-2012, 03:39 AM
I see the Brady Quinn signing as the perfect smokescreen to prevent anyone from thinking that they need to trade in front of us to take Tannehill.

I was thinking this

scho63
03-19-2012, 04:00 AM
I think it would be a wasted pick at this point unless someone with great potential dropped into our lap.

Dave Lane
03-19-2012, 05:45 AM
I'll be really happy if we pickup Lindley in the fourth or fifth round i see Lindley as having as much potential as Tannehill without taking the first round risk.

Nightfyre
03-19-2012, 07:32 AM
I voted yes on hope.

whoman69
03-19-2012, 09:11 AM
I voted yes on hope.

With this team?

mr. tegu
03-19-2012, 09:33 AM
I voted no, but that said I would prefer Foles over Tannehil just because you can likely get him in the second round. I just don't see Tannehil as being an NFL caliber starter.

boogblaster
03-19-2012, 09:38 AM
NO ... but whats up with Stanzi he has the phys .. is he really stump-dumb .....

Mr_Tomahawk
03-19-2012, 09:40 AM
-Tannehill
-Foles
-Lindley

I would love if we drafted either of these guys. Have the 4 QBs compete in camp and cut the worst one. [Cassel]

Dayze
03-19-2012, 09:47 AM
no way the Chiefs draft a QB.
I will eat a stick of deodorant if they do.

el borracho
03-19-2012, 10:27 AM
Sorry, but Quinn has been in the league way too long to still be called a project. He is what he is, a career backup.

I don't necessarily disagree with that but I think the Chiefs disagree. I suppose we will get more insight on that from the draft and/or from preseason.

el borracho
03-19-2012, 10:31 AM
I'll be really happy if we pickup Lindley in the fourth or fifth round i see Lindley as having as much potential as Tannehill without taking the first round risk.
The Chiefs have enough projects. Lindley (or any other late round project pick) is the same as Stanzi. There is no benefit to Lindley unless the Chiefs are cutting Stanzi. What the Chiefs don't have is a 1st round QB. This year or next, they have to draft a 1st round QB.

Extra Point
03-19-2012, 06:43 PM
Casey Keenum in the fifth.

Does that sound enough like a horse race to ya?

MahiMike
03-19-2012, 06:44 PM
Yes in the 6th round. That's where u get the true competition for Matt.

SDKCCHIEFS
03-19-2012, 06:50 PM
Draft a mid-rounder!!

BossChief
03-19-2012, 07:11 PM
I'm with you on that, but I'm also not a fan of drafting project guys only to abandon their progress so quickly. They're projects. They take time. They need coaching, training camp snaps, and time on the sidelines during games finding out just how different the NFL is from the NCAA.

Personally, I don't see what others do in Foles. I like his size and athletic attributes a lot, but he's kind of like a smaller version of Brock Osweiler only with a slightly better arm. From the game footage of Arizona I just don't see the NFL throw. I see a guy with a big arm, but it's not connecting. It's not dissecting the defense. It's throwing to open guys down the field and checking down, just like Cassel. And the throws downfield aren't that impressive. He's not even close to threading needles like Luck does. Hell, he doesn't even thread needles like Kirk Cousins does. He's got a lot to work on his arm to make it more compact and accurate, and I'd rather not waste several seasons on that bullshit.

We've got a year invested in Stanzi. That's good. We're making progress there. What we SHOULD be doing is trying to find a team that would be willing to sacrifice a first round pick in next year's draft. Let's say Trent Richardson is available at 11 and the Redskins want him. We should absolutely take the Redskins' 2nd rounder this year and their 1st rounder next year plus some other draft pick. It puts us in a good position to have a QB available to us next year, and if we're still out of reach, now we have added firepower to trade up and grab a first round guy who doesn't need the bullshit coached out of him like Foles does.

Basically, I'm saying it's fine to have a project QB. It's fine to have two project QBs if you want to be thorough. It's fucking idiocy to take a project QB and replace him with another project QB the next year, though. Either you upgrade the position, get better depth, or go fist your grandmother and wait another 40 years for a Super Bowl, because it doesn't do any good sitting around playing with yourself pretending you're doing something about the QB position when you're just keeping the status quo.

Washington is all done with first round picks for awhile.

I can agree that replacing one project with another isn't optimum, but we need to make a move that will pay dividends in a year or two, immediately.

rico
03-19-2012, 07:35 PM
NO ... but whats up with Stanzi he has the phys .. is he really stump-dumb .....

30 on his Wonderlic... :shrug:

I wish I knew what their real plans/thoughts are on Stanzi.

Is anyone foreshadowing him being cut in the near future? Ugh, I hope not. I love Stanzi.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-20-2012, 02:11 PM
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KC Star's @adamteicher says it "wouldn't surprise me" if Chiefs draft QB in first 2 rounds. Flexible to do just about anything.

Dayze
03-20-2012, 02:57 PM
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KC Star's @adamteicher says it "wouldn't surprise me" if Chiefs draft QB in first 2 rounds. Flexible to do just about anything.

Teicher....the Chiefs won't go into the season with 4 backup QBs.
and they sure as hell aren't doing it in the first 2 rounds. I could see a 5th or 6th if they trade down at someponit and get an extra late/luxury pick.

Cassel is their guy. the only competition will be for the back up depth chart.

Dicky McElephant
03-20-2012, 03:04 PM
Seems unlikely with two projects (Quinn and Stanzi) on the roster already. Hopefully the Chiefs are in a position to take a legit QB prospect early in the draft next year.

They don't consider Quinn a "project".

And there is no way that they draft a QB and cut Quinn because they won't be going into the season with basically two rookie QBs behind Cassel.

Dicky McElephant
03-20-2012, 03:06 PM
If they draft Tannehill.....wave goodbye to Stanzi.

BossChief
03-20-2012, 03:11 PM
If they draft Tannehill.....wave goodbye to Quinn.
FYP

Mr_Tomahawk
03-20-2012, 03:13 PM
If they draft Tannehill.....wave goodbye to Stanzi.

810 was talking about who would get cut if they drafted a QB.

Everyone agreed it would be Stanzi.

Dicky McElephant
03-20-2012, 03:14 PM
FYP

Like I said....do you seriously believe that they would cut Quinn and roll with Cassel and basically 2 rookie QBs? Not going to happen.

If that does happen.....then I hope you're happy watching Cassel play all 16 games no matter how shitty he is. Tannehill is a project by every definition of the word. They're not going to throw him out there and fuck him up even worse.

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 03:16 PM
FYP

No, if we draft Tannehill, Stanzi is gone. Not Quinn.

Sheesh we already tried the whole going into the season with 2 unknowns. They won't do it again.

Dicky McElephant
03-20-2012, 03:18 PM
Stanzi is either gone or he'll be on the practice squad all year.

whoman69
03-20-2012, 03:30 PM
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KC Star's @adamteicher says it "wouldn't surprise me" if Chiefs draft QB in first 2 rounds. Flexible to do just about anything.

That's a guess.

suds79
03-20-2012, 03:31 PM
Stanzi is either gone or he'll be on the practice squad all year.

If Stanzi were to be pushed to the practice squad, I would think someone would take a flyer on him.

Not saying I think he's anything special. Just saying be prepared to lose him if they try that.

bevischief
03-20-2012, 04:57 PM
Somewhere at or after the 5th round.

Dicky McElephant
03-20-2012, 04:59 PM
If Stanzi were to be pushed to the practice squad, I would think someone would take a flyer on him.

Not saying I think he's anything special. Just saying be prepared to lose him if they try that.

That's why I don't think we take a QB this year. They can give Stanzi an actual offseason to let him learn and see if he has "it". They can give Quinn a chance to prove himself in a new situation and they can give Cassel a year a fall on his ass.

htismaqe
03-20-2012, 06:16 PM
They're not going to cut Stanzi for Tannehill.

Primarily because they're not going to draft Tannehill.

DeezNutz
03-20-2012, 06:20 PM
That's why I don't think we take a QB this year. They can give Stanzi an actual offseason to let him learn and see if he has "it". They can give Quinn a chance to prove himself in a new situation and they can give Cassel a year a fall on his ass.

So in other words, the FO can give itself another year to do next to nothing?

Shitty starter? Check. Long-shot FA acquisition? Check. Lottery ticket in late rounds? Check.

All of that adds up to a big bag of shit unless we're the luckiest sonsofbitches in the world.

SNR
03-20-2012, 07:40 PM
Washington is all done with first round picks for awhile.

I can agree that replacing one project with another isn't optimum, but we need to make a move that will pay dividends in a year or two, immediately.Do you seriously believe Foles is a move that will pay dividends for the future?

Like I said, if there's a franchise QB in this draft available to us, we should take him. I view Tannehill as a suspect guy... he could be fucking phenomenal, or he could be the worst thing since Tyler Palko. Nobody really knows.

Besides him, I don't see any guy in this draft who has a better shot to pay future dividends than Stanzi. Hell, I'll take Brady Quinn's chances at becoming a franchise QB over most of these clowns.

Again, if you believe in Foles, that's fine, but you're going to have to explain it to me. I don't see it at all. All I see is an oversized version of Cassel if he ever had a chance to start in college. Tell me what Nick Foles specifically possesses in his skill set that would bode well for the Chiefs' immediate future at QB?

Oh, and of course I'm not talking about RGIII or Luck when I'm saying these things

BossChief
03-20-2012, 08:17 PM
Foles threw his team on his back all year. The team lost a lot of games because their defense was horrid, but he had some really nice games that get overlooked because of the "L".


Admittedly, as I have mentioned before, I'm going off his games from year before last
more so than last year as I was far busier this year with life outside football.

I saw a guy that had a live arm, responded well when the opposing team scored and showed the ability to distribute the ball well. He was calm and collected, but also showed the ability to be demanding.

It's tough to judge how the guy would do with a good defense and significantly more talent to work with on offense, but I am absolutely second guessing my thoughts on the kid.

I hate doing that, but he hasn't really given me much to go off that would lead me to think his stock is as high as it once was.

DeezNutz
03-20-2012, 08:19 PM
I've heard several analysts speak highly of Cousins recently, and I've seen at least one mock with us taking him.

ChiefsCountry
03-20-2012, 08:24 PM
Quinn is going to be the quarterback when its all said and done.
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DeezNutz
03-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Quinn is going to be the quarterback when its all said and done.
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I don't believe that for a second.

First, it's unclear whether he's worth a shit at all. And I mean it's questionable if he can play at even a Cassel level of suck. Second, if things are "about even" in camp, the nod is going to Cassel every single fucking time.

Quinn will have to be a damn miracle worker to force Pioli's (yes, Pioli's--RAC isn't deciding shit) hand.

KC Tattoo
03-20-2012, 08:34 PM
Am sure we will draft a QB in later round. Stanzi & Brady need to step it up and take out Cassel.

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm going to go with Quinn because Pestilience says he's never been given a shot, and that timeline kind of rang true to that.

But if he just sucks, I'm putting it on Pestilience and he can no longer give opinions that are to be taken seriously after that.

KC Tattoo
03-20-2012, 08:37 PM
I'm going to go with Quinn because Pestilience says he's never been given a shot, and that timeline kind of rang true to that.

But if he just sucks, I'm putting it on Pestilience and he can no longer give opinions that are to be taken seriously after that.

I think Stanzi is going out perform Quinn and Cassel, but I think they will go with Quinn before they try Stanzi once Cassel get's benched or knocked the fuck out of a game.

bricks
03-20-2012, 08:39 PM
Quinn is going to be the quarterback when its all said and done.
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The next Len Dawson?:D

SNR
03-20-2012, 08:40 PM
I'm going to go with Quinn because Pestilience says he's never been given a shot, and that timeline kind of rang true to that.

But if he just sucks, I'm putting it on Pestilience and he can no longer give opinions that are to be taken seriously after that.He just really really loves Notre Dame players, that's all. I generally trust his evaluation of players. Yeah he's an Irish homer, but then again he's probably watched the most Brady Quinn college footage of anyone on this forum. He's also probably seen several Browns games when Quinn was starting.

I'm not putting any emotional investment in Quinn, but Pest's word is good enough for me to not doubt him at least. And I'll sure as hell be rooting for him.

SNR
03-20-2012, 08:43 PM
Foles threw his team on his back all year. The team lost a lot of games because their defense was horrid, but he had some really nice games that get overlooked because of the "L".


Admittedly, as I have mentioned before, I'm going off his games from year before last
more so than last year as I was far busier this year with life outside football.

I saw a guy that had a live arm, responded well when the opposing team scored and showed the ability to distribute the ball well. He was calm and collected, but also showed the ability to be demanding.

It's tough to judge how the guy would do with a good defense and significantly more talent to work with on offense, but I am absolutely second guessing my thoughts on the kid.

I hate doing that, but he hasn't really given me much to go off that would lead me to think his stock is as high as it once was.Ah, okay. Again, if we were down to just Cassel and Quinn, I'd say we should absolutely draft the kid in the 4th or 5th. But as it is, I don't want to give up on Stanzi's full season of progress to jump on the Foles wagon. I don't see enough there.

WV
03-20-2012, 08:47 PM
I don't see anyone to draft that would make it on our Practice Sqaud for very long. I think with what we have there is enough "development" to be done.

KC Tattoo
03-20-2012, 10:17 PM
I don't see anyone to draft that would make it on our Practice Sqaud for very long. I think with what we have there is enough "development" to be done.

We got to draft a QB but doubt he will make the team if it's a late rounder.

Omaha
03-20-2012, 10:22 PM
What makes you guys believe Stanzi can/will be a real NFL QB? I'm not saying he can't, I'm just curious to know what so many people see in him.