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kczoo
03-20-2012, 05:46 AM
PEYTON MANNING BRINGS LEADERSHIP, BULL'S-EYE TO BRONCOS By: Steve Wyche | NFL Network Published: March 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The immediate gushing by Denver Broncos players over the acquisition of future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning , while emotionally expected, should give fans pause. As great as Manning has been, he is not the sole missing piece. He's close, but relying on him as a crutch is about as dangerous as the Philadelphia Eagles thinking all those flashy transactions last August would make them impenetrable.

The Broncos won the AFC West and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs last season because they played with the aggression of fear. They knew they were a flawed team -- they did lose eight games -- but hid their blemishes with relentlessness, persistence and backed-into-a-corner heart.

The addition of Manning could cause some players to think they've got the crutch, a guy to make up for the weak spots many of them had to compensate for last season. That change in attitude could blow everything up. Manning made it happen in Indianapolis because the team was built around him. He's walking into a roster that is still being sculpted, but with the main pieces already in place for the most part.

Manning is also coming back from nerve and neck injuries that look promising now but could look different after a few AFC West dates with Tamba Hali .

Manning isn't the type to allow for slippage. Whereas many free agents want to feel their way into a new environment and not threaten existing leadership, he walks into town with enough cach to have players following him from the get-go. His abundance of juice made him the only player who could not only douse Tebowmania, but also likely send it packing after Tim Tebow rallied Denver to the playoffs and created a hysteria through effort, belief and something magical.

Manning will hold players accountable and make them take co-ownership. This, after all, will be Manning's last fling at legacy-building and trying to win a Super Bowl.

The Broncos' coaching staff already is shredding much of its playbook from last season, adding its baseline agenda but leaving pages blank for Manning to fill in. The personnel staff is beefing up an offense that lost tight end Daniel Fells and wide receiver Eddie Royal , two nice young players. It's also looking at backup quarterbacks, possibly one in free agency and one to draft.

Frankly, what would be wrong with Denver adding Vince Young and keeping some of the run-pass concepts in its hip pocket in case he's got to play? Young would learn behind one of the best and also give Denver a backup with a twist.

As for the division, Chargers coach Norv Turner said Manning's arrival turned the once one-quarterback AFC West (San Diego's Philip Rivers ) into one that boasts Manning, Oakland's Carson Palmer , Rivers -- and a good Chiefs team. While Denver clearly looks like the March favorite to win the division because of Manning, San Diego quietly has re-stocked in free agency and can't be discounted. The Chiefs won't be a walkover either.

Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West.

Turner said that even though Denver will be much more of a passing team with Manning at the helm, it won't change how San Diego or other teams build their defenses. Since most teams are pass-first, possessing as many pass rushers, defensive backs and players that can tackle in the open field remains a premium.

"The tie-in is how you get ready to play against them knowing he's there," Turner said.

Last season, Broncos' opponents had to game plan for a running team with a running quarterback. This season, Denver will be more orthodox, even though Manning brings his own set of problems for defensive coordinators.

Then again, the guy running things just put a bull's-eye on the Broncos. Denver faces a schedule as unforgiving as John Elway has been to Tebowmania. The non-divisional schedule is the NFC South (Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina), the AFC North (Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh) plus Houston and New England.

Texans linebacker Brian Cushing , who no longer has to face Manning and the Colts twice a season, told me the Texans will be "excited" to play at Denver next season. That's code for: "We beat the Colts with him (rarely) and we'll beat the Broncos with him."

Teams will come at Denver much harder than they came at the Broncos and Tebow last season. Opponents didn't seem to ever take Denver as seriously as they needed to until Tebow made something special happen in the waning moments. Now, they'll be ready before kickoff.

It's a new era in Denver.

Follow Steve Wyche on Twitter @wyche89

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 05:49 AM
Link?

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 05:51 AM
I expect Manning to do the same thing in Denver that Montana did in Kansas City, and Favre did in Minnesota.

Give the Donks one really good season, then fade fast and irreversibly.

Marcellus
03-20-2012, 05:57 AM
"Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West."

All credibility in this article flew out the window.

listopencil
03-20-2012, 06:04 AM
"Young would learn..."

I doubt that Vince Young would learn anything, at any time.

PGM
03-20-2012, 06:14 AM
"Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West."

All credibility in this article flew out the window.

Steve Wyche is Reighters???

InChiefsHell
03-20-2012, 06:26 AM
As for the division, Chargers coach Norv Turner said Manning's arrival turned the once one-quarterback AFC West (San Diego's Philip Rivers ) into one that boasts Manning, Oakland's Carson Palmer , Rivers -- and a good Chiefs team.

That made me laugh my ass off!! They mention all the other QB's in the division...

petegz28
03-20-2012, 06:27 AM
Welcome to the AFC West...chump!

http://www.chrissembower.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TambaBloodyPosterized-1280x800.jpg

petegz28
03-20-2012, 06:30 AM
Manning is also coming back from nerve and neck injuries that look promising now but could look different after a few AFC West dates with Tamba Hali .

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/snapshot20101011175425.jpg

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 06:32 AM
not worried about the donkeys. I don't believe they should be division faves based on manning personally. That team sucks.

PGM
03-20-2012, 06:42 AM
That made me laugh my ass off!! They mention all the other QB's in the division...

The rest of the team surrounding those other QB's is ass too. Chiefs have so much more talent than the other 3, but Mr. Hat Toss negates that advantage.

Looks like Cassel's 27-7 season no longer even fools the hacks.

penguinz
03-20-2012, 06:49 AM
His abundance of juice :spock:

Von Dumbass
03-20-2012, 06:51 AM
I expect Manning to do the same thing in Denver that Montana did in Kansas City, and Favre did in Minnesota.

Give the Donks one really good season, then fade fast and irreversibly.

So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

PGM
03-20-2012, 06:53 AM
So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

Terrel Davis and that defense isn't walking through that door.

jspchief
03-20-2012, 06:55 AM
9-10 in the playoffs with better teams than the current Denver one.

He's a good QB but he's not a miracle worker.

whoman69
03-20-2012, 07:01 AM
So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

You expect up to five more years out of a QB with Manning's medical history. Montana came to the Chiefs with back issues and couldn't stay on the field. Favre came to the Vikes a bit older, but also nursing an arm injury he suffered while with the Jets and could only give one more season. I'd say he will probably last two years, but as soon as the neck problems come up again, he should quit.

I don't know why Brady even comes into the conversation. He's a year younger than Manning, and doesn't have the medical baggage.

Rausch
03-20-2012, 07:03 AM
So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years.

:spock:

Von Dumbass
03-20-2012, 07:06 AM
You expect up to five more years out of a QB with Manning's medical history. Montana came to the Chiefs with back issues and couldn't stay on the field. Favre came to the Vikes a bit older, but also nursing an arm injury he suffered while with the Jets and could only give one more season. I'd say he will probably last two years, but as soon as the neck problems come up again, he should quit.

I don't know why Brady even comes into the conversation. He's a year younger than Manning, and doesn't have the medical baggage.

Those guys played in a different era. The QB's weren't protected back then the way they are now. Manning has taken very few shots throughout his career because of how fast he gets rid of the ball.

His neck will not be an issue, it will be stronger than ever. And the nerves in his arm are regenerating at an alarming rate. Every team that has worked him out has said that he looks like the same Manning from two or three years ago.

PGM
03-20-2012, 07:07 AM
Spin away little top ROFL

InChiefsHell
03-20-2012, 07:13 AM
I have no doubt that Peyton will be effective, and maybe for up to 3 more seasons, but the problem is he can't fix everything that needs fixed in Denver. He can take care of the QB issue (barring injury) but that doesn't fix everything else by a long shot. I think he's gonna collect a paycheck but not a Lombardi Trophy.

JD10367
03-20-2012, 07:17 AM
The Broncos won the AFC West and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs last season because they played with the aggression of fear. They knew they were a flawed team -- they did lose eight games -- but hid their blemishes with relentlessness, persistence and backed-into-a-corner heart.

The addition of Manning could cause some players to think they've got the crutch, a guy to make up for the weak spots many of them had to compensate for last season. That change in attitude could blow everything up.

An interesting and valid point, and I wonder if that's what's been happening to the Patriots for the past few years. (On the other hand, maybe the Patriots simply weren't talented enough to seal the deal in '07 and '11... which is something else the Broncos have to realize: one player, even at QB, doesn't necessarily mean a Super Bowl title.)

Honestly, I think Manning, even at 100%, only has a few seasons left and while he'll certainly elevate the Broncos' overall level of play, he's not going to win them a Super Bowl. They may go 11-5, 12-4, win the AFCW, win a playoff game or two, but I don't see much more. To win consistently, you need an organization that can build and sustain (e.g. New England, Pittsburgh, NY Giants). The Colts were the unusual instance of a team literally being carried by one of the greats in his prime. Look at Montana's post-Niner career, and that's what you'll see from Peyton.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 07:20 AM
Manning's arrival turned the once one-quarterback AFC West (San Diego's Philip Rivers ) into one that boasts Manning, Oakland's Carson Palmer , Rivers -- and a good Chiefs team.

That made me laugh my ass off!! They mention all the other QB's in the division...

I did the same thing...

Dave Lane
03-20-2012, 07:22 AM
The good thing about Manning going to Denver is that all their salary cap money is gone. Any chance to improve the team is out the window. At the end of 3 years there will be a lot of younger players that go to FA because there is no money to pay them. You end up with a 2-14 husk and maybe a 1st overall pick when hes done

JD10367
03-20-2012, 07:22 AM
So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Brady will be 35 before the start of the season, and is not coming off major (and possibly career-ending) injury and surgery. And even with that, Brady probably only has three good seasons left in him.

Manning will be 36 in only a few days. He's a year and a half older. In football years, that's significant. I would say "two good seasons" would be about right.

I can see either of them playing into their Favre years but not as effectively by any means.

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 07:24 AM
So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

Brady is 34. So Brady might have 3 good seasons left in him.

Manning is going to play at a high level until he's 41? Are you that fucking stupid?

Elway's last year he only started 12 games. And second, he had a MUCH better surrounding cast than what Manning has now, or will have next season. It's not even close.

Manning will be good for a couple of more wins than last years team, but not much more. 10 wins or so I'd guess. That's if he manages to make it through the whole season. No one knows how his neck is going to hold up. And if he does get injured again, he's done.

He's not some missing piece to a team that is ready made for a SB run. The Donks have a shit defense and shit offense for the most part. In Indy Manning had weapons galore.

The Bad Guy
03-20-2012, 07:25 AM
Those guys played in a different era. The QB's weren't protected back then the way they are now. Manning has taken very few shots throughout his career because of how fast he gets rid of the ball.

His neck will not be an issue, it will be stronger than ever. And the nerves in his arm are regenerating at an alarming rate. Every team that has worked him out has said that he looks like the same Manning from two or three years ago.

Now he's a doctor too.

You have no idea how the neck will respond to the hits, the conditions, the elements in Denver.

It's a good move for the immediate future, although the weapons he has suck and Clark and Stokley aren't making them much better.

The Bad Guy
03-20-2012, 07:26 AM
Manning will be good for a couple of more wins than last years team, but not much more. 10 wins or so I'd guess. That's if he manages to make it through the whole season. No one knows how his neck is going to hold up. And if he does get injured again, he's done.

He's not some missing piece to a team that is ready made for a SB run. The Donks have a shit defense and shit offense for the most part. In Indy Manning had weapons galore.

Whole lot of truth here.

The Broncos D is trash. Their skill position players are average at best.

The line is a terrible pass blocking unit.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 07:26 AM
9-10 in the playoffs with better teams than the current Denver one.

He's a good QB but he's not a miracle worker.

You have the typical AFCW games and then...
Home:
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Houston
New Orleans
Tennessee

Road:
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Atlanta
Carolina
New England

They still need more than Manning... there are some really difficult games in that group of 10. Manning gives them more than a fighter's chance to win, but they need some other players and the defense is going to be just as critical to their success as Manning.

I hope most Denver fans realize this when they're throwing out the 11-12 win comments. It's easy to say they are 3-4 wins better with Manning, and in a generic conversation, it's true. But, apply that to the 2012 schedule and it's going to be a tough battle to 11 wins.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 07:28 AM
The good thing about Manning going to Denver is that all their salary cap money is gone. Any chance to improve the team is out the window. At the end of 3 years there will be a lot of younger players that go to FA because there is no money to pay them. You end up with a 2-14 husk and maybe a 1st overall pick when hes done

So, Manning is going to account for $40M this year on the cap? :rolleyes:

The Bad Guy
03-20-2012, 07:28 AM
You have the typical AFCW games and then...
Home:
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Houston
New Orleans
Tennessee

Road:
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Atlanta
Carolina
New England

They still need more than Manning... there are some really difficult games in that group of 10. Manning gives them more than a fighter's chance to win, but they need some other players and the defense is going to be just as critical to their success as Manning.

I hope most Denver fans realize this when they're throwing out the 11-12 win comments. It's easy to say they are 3-4 wins better with Manning, and in a generic conversation, it's true. But, apply that to the 2012 schedule and it's going to be a tough battle to 11 wins.

Finally some objectivity. I'd be doing handstands if Manning is in KC, but there's a reality here that few Bronco fans want to realize.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 07:30 AM
Finally some objectivity. I'd be doing handstands if Manning is in KC, but there's a reality here that few Bronco fans want to realize.

There was really only 1 team that was a Manning away from a title and he chose not to play in San Francisco. DEN, KC, MIA, TEN - none of those teams were a Manning away from a SB. If your team didn't play in the playoffs this past year or you haven't had a consistent level of playoff success in the last couple of years (injuries are part of the equation, it's life in the NFL)... then you're still more than a Manning away from a title.

Each of those teams that wanted him, needed help in addition to signing Manning... with the exception of a SanFran.

The Bad Guy
03-20-2012, 07:32 AM
There was really only 1 team that was a Manning away from a title and he chose not to play in San Francisco. DEN, KC, MIA, TEN - none of those teams were a Manning away from a SB. If your team didn't play in the playoffs this past year or you haven't had a consistent level of playoff success in the last couple of years (injuries are part of the equation, it's life in the NFL)... then you're still more than a Manning away from a title.

Each of those teams that wanted him, needed help in addition to signing Manning... with the exception of a SanFran.

See, I get the San Fran angle, but they need help too.

I don't think one year of advancing in the playoffs means that it's going to be a constant pattern year in and year out.

Von Dumbass
03-20-2012, 07:33 AM
The good thing about Manning going to Denver is that all their salary cap money is gone. Any chance to improve the team is out the window.

The Donks will have between 18-20 million in cap space after signing Manning. That is plenty of money to improve the team with.

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 07:34 AM
There was really only 1 team that was a Manning away from a title and he chose not to play in San Francisco. DEN, KC, MIA, TEN - none of those teams were a Manning away from a SB. If your team didn't play in the playoffs this past year or you haven't had a consistent level of playoff success in the last couple of years (injuries are part of the equation, it's life in the NFL)... then you're still more than a Manning away from a title.

Each of those teams that wanted him, needed help in addition to signing Manning... with the exception of a SanFran.

KC doesn't belong in the same bucket with Den, Mia, or Tn. KC is genuinely a great QB away from a SB. Great line, great skill positions, top 10 defense.

So yeah, the Chiefs are a Manning away. The donks? Not so much.

Color Red
03-20-2012, 07:35 AM
I expect Manning to do the same thing in Denver that Montana did in Kansas City, and Favre did in Minnesota.

Give the Donks one really good season, then fade fast and irreversibly.

My opinion: Elway thinks the Broncos have a better chance to win the Super Bowl with Manning in the next few years, than to win one with Tebow through all of his career.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 07:35 AM
See, I get the San Fran angle, but they need help too.

I don't think one year of advancing in the playoffs means that it's going to be a constant pattern year in and year out.

Agreed and I mentioned that in regards to Denver... "or you haven't had a consistent level of playoff success in the last couple of years" ... it was a nice 2011, but it wasn't a trend. It was the first time in several years, so we'll see what they can build on in 2012.

And, yeah - all teams need help... the Giants need help. Some just need a lot less than others.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 07:37 AM
KC doesn't belong in the same bucket with Den, Mia, or Tn. KC is genuinely a great QB away from a SB. Great line, great skill positions, top 10 defense.

So yeah, the Chiefs are a Manning away. The donks? Not so much.

Again - if your team hasn't had consistent playoff success... you're not a player away from the Super Bowl. Would Manning have made KC one of the top 4-6 teams to make it to the SB? Yes... and you have a lot of people saying that now about Denver.

Truth is... while he makes any team a whole lot better... he doesn't guarantee anything and it would have been the same for KC. And, if KC really is a great QB away... you should lock your owner up and take over the team.

InChiefsHell
03-20-2012, 07:55 AM
Again - if your team hasn't had consistent playoff success... you're not a player away from the Super Bowl. Would Manning have made KC one of the top 4-6 teams to make it to the SB? Yes... and you have a lot of people saying that now about Denver.

Truth is... while he makes any team a whole lot better... he doesn't guarantee anything and it would have been the same for KC. And, if KC really is a great QB away... you should lock your owner up and take over the team.

Regarding the surrounding cast, I think KC is far and away in much better shape than Denver. No, we wouldn't go to the SB this season with Manning, but we'd be in the hunt, and next year even more so. I think the Donks have a much longer way to go than do the Chiefs. But, Manning didn't see it that way, so there's that.

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 07:58 AM
Again - if your team hasn't had consistent playoff success... you're not a player away from the Super Bowl. Would Manning have made KC one of the top 4-6 teams to make it to the SB? Yes... and you have a lot of people saying that now about Denver.

Truth is... while he makes any team a whole lot better... he doesn't guarantee anything and it would have been the same for KC. And, if KC really is a great QB away... you should lock your owner up and take over the team.

Playoff success isn't exactly a requirement. We're talking about what roster has enough talent to pull it off. The Chiefs were what, a blocked field goal away from winning the division last year? That was with two pro bowlers lost all season, and three shit quarterbacks.

KC is far more talented than Denver top to bottom, and it's not really even close. Manning makes any team better, but he's no miracle worker. Denver isn't a SB contender just because Manning is behind center. I mean hell, he routinely choked in Indy in the playoffs each season with a FAR better team.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 08:01 AM
Regarding the surrounding cast, I think KC is far and away in much better shape than Denver. No, we wouldn't go to the SB this season with Manning, but we'd be in the hunt, and next year even more so. I think the Donks have a much longer way to go than do the Chiefs. But, Manning didn't see it that way, so there's that.

Sure and I think I could make a case either way on the matter of talent with KC and Denver. Many here (and I realize it's CP :D ) have commented that Denver is littered with garbage and quite frankly, I think that's a load of bull.

Denver has a lot of really good talent - yes, they could use additional pieces, but a guy like Manning takes players and makes them better than they are with other QBs.

Hell, you guys saw that with Montana when he took over in KC... Willie Davis, JJ Birden. Really... REALLY?

Certain QBs make others rise up and play better - Manning is one of those guys and he'll have two young WRs (Thomas and Decker) chomping at the bit to learn and do well, and they should have really good seasons.

Rausch
03-20-2012, 08:02 AM
And, if KC really is a great QB away... you should lock your owner up and take over the team.

It's the only reason every team in this division has been in a SB other than us.

KC has not, does not, will not put the importance of getting a franchise QB above the risk of making a high-pick/high-dollar mistake.

KC will stumble into a HOF QB like we stumbled into Jarred Allen or we won't ever have one at all...

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 08:04 AM
Playoff success isn't exactly a requirement. We're talking about what roster has enough talent to pull it off. The Chiefs were what, a blocked field goal away from winning the division last year? That was with two pro bowlers lost all season, and three shit quarterbacks.

KC is far more talented than Denver top to bottom, and it's not really even close. Manning makes any team better, but he's no miracle worker. Denver isn't a SB contender just because Manning is behind center. I mean hell, he routinely choked in Indy in the playoffs each season with a FAR better team.

That's all part of the fun debate... Denver has more work to do. The Patriots, Ravens and Steelers are the big 3 in the AFC. CIN is on the rise, the Texans are solid... you have teams like the Chargers and Jets, with the likes of KC and Denver right there too.

On paper - things don't always work out the way we expect. Look at PHI last year and ... the Giants.

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 08:04 AM
Sure and I think I could make a case either way on the matter of talent with KC and Denver. Many here (and I realize it's CP :D ) have commented that Denver is littered with garbage and quite frankly, I think that's a load of bull.

Denver has a lot of really good talent - yes, they could use additional pieces, but a guy like Manning takes players and makes them better than they are with other QBs.

Hell, you guys saw that with Montana when he took over in KC... Willie Davis, JJ Birden. Really... REALLY?

Certain QBs make others rise up and play better - Manning is one of those guys and he'll have two young WRs (Thomas and Decker) chomping at the bit to learn and do well, and they should have really good seasons.

What actual talent does Denver have in comparison to KC? I'm not talking potential. I mean guys that have already produced better than the guys in KC at the same positions.

Dick Bull
03-20-2012, 08:05 AM
I thought we were pathetic for not getting him?

Sofa King
03-20-2012, 08:06 AM
"Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West."

All credibility in this article flew out the window.

That's where i stopped reading.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 08:07 AM
And, I'll throw this last bit of reality out there...

The Broncos turned around with a 7-4 finish last year. Prior to that, they were 28-41 going back to 2007. They didn't totally fix everything in the second half of 2011, but they have nice pieces and still time to add via FA and the draft.

petegz28
03-20-2012, 08:08 AM
What actual talent does Denver have in comparison to KC? I'm not talking potential. I mean guys that have already produced better than the guys in KC at the same positions.

Denver was slightly better than KC offensively granted we had bunk QB's, a broken RB and a broken TE. KC on the other hand was much better defensively than Denver and that was with Sabby roaming the backfield...LMAO

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 08:09 AM
Denver was slightly better than KC offensively granted we had bunk QB's, a broken RB and a broken TE. KC on the other hand was much better defensively than Denver and that was with Sabby roaming the backfield...LMAO

I'm talking about actual players on offense.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 08:09 AM
What actual talent does Denver have in comparison to KC? I'm not talking potential. I mean guys that have already produced better than the guys in KC at the same positions.

I don't think I've ever typed that DEN > KC at all skill positions. I have stated that Denver isn't void of talent on offense or defense.

For the sake of this discussion, I'm more than happy to say that KC has the edge at talent (proven consistency).

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 08:10 AM
Denver was slightly better than KC offensively granted we had bunk QB's, a broken RB and a broken TE. KC on the other hand was much better defensively than Denver and that was with Sabby roaming the backfield...LMAO

Denver also had one of your bunk QBs and a FB that throws passes, no?

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 08:10 AM
I don't think I've ever typed that DEN > KC at all skill positions. I have stated that Denver isn't void of talent on offense or defense.

For the sake of this discussion, I'm more than happy to say that KC has the edge at talent (proven consistency).

All I was getting at, thanks. :D

Rausch
03-20-2012, 08:12 AM
Certain QBs make others rise up and play better - Manning is one of those guys and he'll have two young WRs (Thomas and Decker) chomping at the bit to learn and do well, and they should have really good seasons.

No.

Montana, Elway, and even Farve were those types of guys.

Marino only went to one SB. There's a reason. I'd put Payed-a-ton in the same camp.

They want the game in their hands all the time.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 08:13 AM
All I was getting at, thanks. :D

No problem... but again, sometimes what you see on paper doesn't always prove the point or get you to the end goal.

TheGuardian
03-20-2012, 08:14 AM
No problem... but again, sometimes what you see on paper doesn't always prove the point or get you to the end goal.

That's true. But from a stand point of a guy picking a team to go QB for that is ready made, talent wise, for a SB KC should have been a logical choice.

I personally think that he only chose Denver because of his relationship with Elway.

O.city
03-20-2012, 08:47 AM
The Broncos were 1-4 running a traditional offense last year, then went 7-4 running the spread option.

Do people not remember that? They were the best rushing team in the NFL becasue they ran it damn near 50 times per game. That ain't happening again with Manning.

FRCDFED
03-20-2012, 08:54 AM
not worried about the donkeys. I don't believe they should be division faves based on manning personally. That team sucks. Yeah, I already bet both of my co-workers lunch that the Chiefs would finish higher in the AFC West than Denver will.

Okie_Apparition
03-20-2012, 09:00 AM
The regular season wonderdog with a team built around him

Marcellus
03-20-2012, 09:05 AM
So 3 months ago Mannings career may be over, today he signs a 5 year $96MM contract with Denver.

Just seem odd to me. It doesn't add up.

PGM
03-20-2012, 09:05 AM
The Broncos were 1-4 running a traditional offense last year, then went 7-4 running the spread option.

Do people not remember that? They were the best rushing team in the NFL becasue they ran it damn near 50 times per game. That ain't happening again with Manning.

Not only that, but...

In the prime years of his career, he took a more talented Colts team to win 1 SuperBowl, but at 36 coming off serious neck injury is going to take a team with swiss cheese like holes to the Ship in year 1. Hilarious.

mikey23545
03-20-2012, 09:21 AM
So, Manning is going to account for $40M this year on the cap? :rolleyes:

No, but he kept dicking them around until all the good free agents were gone...

Thanks, Peyton!

boogblaster
03-20-2012, 09:27 AM
difference is .. manning will make ya play the whole 60 minutes .. he can score late .....

Cave Johnson
03-20-2012, 09:57 AM
About that vaunted Denver run game, courtesy of Grantland.....

Research has shown that teams with running quarterbacks like Tebow or Michael Vick improve their halfbacks' yards per carry and effectiveness when the run-happy quarterbacks are in the lineup, and then see that same performance disappear when the rushing quarterbacks get injured or go back to the bench. <b>That also stands for Willis McGahee, who averaged 3.8 yards per carry in the games before Tebow entered the lineup at quarterback and 5.2 yards a pop afterward. </b>

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/21239/manning-headed-to-denver-now-what

Extra Point
03-20-2012, 10:28 AM
I thought we were pathetic for not getting him?

"We" were pathetic for slobbering all over possibly getting him.

PGM
03-20-2012, 12:12 PM
About that vaunted Denver run game, courtesy of Grantland.....



http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/21239/manning-headed-to-denver-now-what

No defense, no running game. Feels like home for Peyton.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 12:16 PM
Did FA end today at noon or something?

I realize a lot of the 'big names' signed elsewhere, but there are still moves to be made... I'd love to see them ship their R1 to PIT for Wallace, that would rock. Go get a TE, bring in another RB. Who knows what is up next...

Question - while it's a longshot, it could happen... let's say that Denver were able to trade for Mike Wallace. Can you spin that one into a negative?

vailpass
03-20-2012, 12:17 PM
Ooh I like this article it makes me feeeel better/chiefs fan

Sofa King
03-20-2012, 12:17 PM
About that vaunted Denver run game, courtesy of Grantland.....



http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/21239/manning-headed-to-denver-now-what

lol

bowener
03-20-2012, 12:55 PM
If Manning only has a proabable 2 or 3 good years left, does that mean his first year will be wasted on trying to get the O on the same page as him?

That kind of chemistry doesn't happen over night... though I am certain KnowMo will inform us all that Peyton's forehead can actually telepathically teach others in their sleep.

I think it is interesting that 2 teams the Broncos play this season are old AFCS rivals of Peyton's. Maybe that will help him or maybe that will hurt him... remains to be seen.

petegz28
03-20-2012, 06:43 PM
Manning's gonna get jacked and that neck is going to snap and dude is gonna quit. I remember when Priest came back. It didn't take much to put him out again. Neck and spinal chord injuries are not to be fucked with.

TEX
03-20-2012, 06:45 PM
Did FA end today at noon or something?

I realize a lot of the 'big names' signed elsewhere, but there are still moves to be made... I'd love to see them ship their R1 to PIT for Wallace, that would rock. Go get a TE, bring in another RB. Who knows what is up next...

Question - while it's a longshot, it could happen... let's say that Denver were able to trade for Mike Wallace. Can you spin that one into a negative?

Why not? The Cheating Donx have always been allowed to bend the rules. No such thing as a salary cap in Denver. Never was.

petegz28
03-20-2012, 06:46 PM
Holmes returned to the Kansas City roster, beginning practice on October 17, 2007. Holmes then completed the comeback 4 days later, playing in the Chief's regular season game against the Oakland Raiders, carrying the ball 4 times. Priest made his first start since October 30, 2005 against the San Diego Chargers and played in a home game on November 11, 2007 in a 27-11 loss to the Denver Broncos. Holmes had 20 rushes for 65 yards.[12]

Holmes announced his retirement on November 21, 2007 after re-injuring his neck on the previous Sunday, November 18,


Holmes didn't last a month and that was after a year off.

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 06:53 PM
not worried about the donkeys. I don't believe they should be division faves based on manning personally. That team sucks.

Cassel agrees with this post. :clap:

petegz28
03-20-2012, 06:56 PM
Who are the Broncos WR's now? Royal is gone and he was their best WR, right?

Mile High Mania
03-20-2012, 06:58 PM
Who are the Broncos WR's now? Royal is gone and he was their best WR, right?

Umm, yeah... Sure.

petegz28
03-20-2012, 07:03 PM
Umm, yeah... Sure.

So who do they have now? Seriously?

ChiefMojo
03-20-2012, 07:12 PM
Thomas and Decker... actually two good young WR's.

petegz28
03-20-2012, 07:20 PM
Thomas and Decker... actually two good young WR's.

We're gonna see...