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Direckshun
03-20-2012, 12:02 PM
Let's play with this idea for a moment.

Chiefs are on the clock at #11, can't trade down, and Kirkpatrick and/or Janoris Jenkins are still on the board.

If that is the case, how interested might you be in pulling the trigger?

Keep in mind the usual suspects will be at the #11 pick, DeCastro, all the tackles, Kuechly, Poe.

If you bring on a corner, especially a stud like Jenkins, you have the best three corner combo in the NFL, and Arenas in the slot (where he's excelled) if you need him.

If you're REALLY concerned about Manning winning the division over you, this isn't the worst thought in the world.

The Jets showed us that if you have enough talent at CB, then you really can neuter even the best of franchise QBs. Brady is arguably the best QB in the league, and he has to throw away from his WRs when he plays the Jets.

The only problem there is that you have to REALLY stack the CB position like the Jets did. It's too much money to tie up in one position.

Except, Flowers would be the only corner in KC with a fat contract. Routt + Jenkins' rookie contract together would be cheaper than Brandon Carr, bar none. Financially, it's completely doable, and the Chiefs would still have double digits in millions of dollars in cap room.

Manning would have to hit his tight end(s) and check down receivers, because Flowers and Routt are largely neutralizing his #1 and #2, and all Jenkins has to do is shut down the #3. Arenas covers the slot. And we've all seen how mortal Manning looks when he's frustrated.

Plus, this gives us insurance for an elite CB duo if Routt doesn't pan out.

It's a thought.

Discuss.

suds79
03-20-2012, 12:04 PM
I wouldn't be upset at a CB. I think the Chiefs have done a nice enough job in FA to place themselves at the point to where they can take the BPA.

So if it's a corner? Fine. But I'd prefer another pass rusher.

Simply Red
03-20-2012, 12:04 PM
it's discus, get it?!

Detoxing
03-20-2012, 12:04 PM
#11 for a Headcase like Jenkins? No thanks.

i would take him the 2nd though, and it's possible he falls that far.

The Bad Guy
03-20-2012, 12:05 PM
Taking another corner, when we have yet to develop Brown, makes zero sense.

kczoo
03-20-2012, 12:05 PM
bro that wouldnt bother me at all, Manning, Rivers etc preys off of timing and zero pass rush. We need to get in their faces up front. If Dontari can do it, why not? Is he a bust? Maybe Mannings a bust. All fate and all chance. I like that pick of yours though

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 12:06 PM
Taking another corner, when we have yet to develop Brown, makes zero sense.

Brown hasn't shown very well.

Not even on special teams.

He may bust.

Pestilence
03-20-2012, 12:06 PM
Taking another corner, when we have yet to develop Brown, makes zero sense.

This.

I think Jalil Brown can turn into a damn good CB.

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 12:06 PM
This.

I think Jalil Brown can turn into a damn good CB.

Meh.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-20-2012, 12:08 PM
No thanks.

Detoxing
03-20-2012, 12:08 PM
Decastro, Kuechly or Kirkpatrick is fine by me.

I think the Chiefs are going to trade down though.

kczoo
03-20-2012, 12:10 PM
Brown sucked azz when put in

Dante84
03-20-2012, 12:10 PM
We've got the freedom to do this.

I want us to snag a FA Guard (not sure who's left?) So that our OLine is done for the time being. Hell, we can draft some late, also.

We are set with our starting Tackles, but we need deapth. I think a backup Tackle is not a need in round 1, if you plan on Re-signing BA.

I think you have to go BPA, and right now, BPA is going to be a CB (G withstanding).

With Palmer, Rivers, and Manning in our division, I have no problem pulling the trigger. Even though those QB's are aging and showing cracks, they still were/are elite. Can't afford to get burned.

I'm happy with CB. But who's the choice?

kczoo
03-20-2012, 12:12 PM
On a side note, I think its hilarious on draft day years ago, people freaked cuz we didnt draft Quinn. Now weve got him cheapo depot and everyone is like wtf? Quinn>Palko

Hoover
03-20-2012, 12:12 PM
I understand the line of thinking but I don't think it is wise. Just like it would have been unwise to invest 100 million in two CBs, you also don't want to over invest via the draft. How many times did we invest high draft picks in the DT position this decade and have nothing to show for it? Not only did many of them not pan out, the focus to find the monster QB crushing DT cost us much needed talent at other positions.

I think we need to try and trade down, but if we can't I have no problem taking a guy like DeCastro because it would solidify our Oline for years to come.

DBoweShow
03-20-2012, 12:19 PM
Just wondering, but when people on here say trade down, I would sure like to know who we are going to trade down with. I mean I just don't see anyone that will fall to us that someone else just has to have.

I guess you never know come draft day tho, but I see nothing wrong with drafting a corner if it is BPA.

Bump
03-20-2012, 12:23 PM
Brown hasn't shown very well.

Not even on special teams.

He may bust.

I don't know, i thought he did ok last season when he got the chance and I always noticed him on special teams too :spock:

Detoxing
03-20-2012, 12:24 PM
Just wondering, but when people on here say trade down, I would sure like to know who we are going to trade down with. I mean I just don't see anyone that will fall to us that someone else just has to have.

I guess you never know come draft day tho, but I see nothing wrong with drafting a corner if it is BPA.

If Cleveland takes Blackmon instead of Richardson, Richardson may very well slide to our spot and we can have some potential trade partners. Same goes for Tannehill.

DBoweShow
03-20-2012, 12:24 PM
I don't know, i thought he did ok last season when he got the chance and I always noticed him on special teams too :spock:

Ya and you never know with young players. Hell how many people on here would of thought Brandon Carr would of turned into the player he is after one year.

Detoxing
03-20-2012, 12:25 PM
On a side note, I think its hilarious on draft day years ago, people freaked cuz we didnt draft Quinn. Now weve got him cheapo depot and everyone is like wtf? Quinn>Palko

Yeah....don't think that could have anything to do with the fact that we now know that Quinn isn't a franchise QB after seeing him in the NFL?

philfree
03-20-2012, 12:27 PM
Just wondering, but when people on here say trade down, I would sure like to know who we are going to trade down with. I mean I just don't see anyone that will fall to us that someone else just has to have.
I guess you never know come draft day tho, but I see nothing wrong with drafting a corner if it is BPA.

I read a thing, a tweet perhaps that mention Philly and Seattle both as possible landing spots for Keuckly(sp?). Would Philly trade up for a ILB? :shrug:

Pestilence
03-20-2012, 12:28 PM
If Cleveland takes Blackmon instead of Richardson, Richardson may very well slide to our spot and we can have some potential trade partners. Same goes for Tannehill.

If Cleveland doesn't take Richardson....Tampa Bay will jump at the chance at #5.

ChiefMojo
03-20-2012, 12:29 PM
Kilpatrick is the only CB I would consider on a trade down but would prefer the Chiefs take DeCastro or possibly Kuechley at #11. I'm not in the camp of taking either Poe or Tannehill.

DBoweShow
03-20-2012, 12:32 PM
I read a thing, a tweet perhaps that mention Philly and Seattle both as possible landing spots for Keuckly(sp?). Would Philly trade up for a ILB? :shrug:

That was a huge weakness for them last year, so they could possibly want to snag him. I guess you just never know until draft day.

The Poz
03-20-2012, 12:35 PM
Just finished reading a recent mock that has us taking Kirkpatrick.

http://www.sbnation.com/2012-nfl-draft/2012/3/19/2882395/2012-nfl-mock-draft-free-agency

11. Kansas City Chiefs, Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
The Chiefs were busy in free agency, filling their most glaring roster needs. They signed Stanford Routt to replace Brandon Carr, and paired with Brandon Flowers, that's a good duo of corners. Drafting Kirkpatrick gives them a trio of good corners. Depth and flexibility.

the Talking Can
03-20-2012, 12:35 PM
i'm taking a cb before I'm taking a fucking guard

Bowser
03-20-2012, 12:39 PM
If Cleveland doesn't take Richardson....Tampa Bay will jump at the chance at #5.

Not sold on Blount?

Bowser
03-20-2012, 12:39 PM
i'm taking a cb before I'm taking a fucking guard

Yeah, this, even if the guard IS the next Steve Hutchinson.

Pestilence
03-20-2012, 12:40 PM
Not sold on Blount?

Blount isn't an every down back.

dallaschiefsfan
03-20-2012, 01:30 PM
Even if it's in another round, I'm not sure how we go into next season with our current NT situation. If Poe isn't it...fine...but it's gotta' be someone in the early rounds unless something surprises me during the rest of free agency.

RustShack
03-20-2012, 03:54 PM
Don't draft a CB in the first round, but find a way to get Leonard Johnson. Dude is a shutdown CB.

Blick
03-20-2012, 04:06 PM
Would rather go Barron. We need talent and depth at safety way more than corner.

KCDC
03-20-2012, 05:06 PM
Kilpatrick is the only CB I would consider on a trade down but would prefer the Chiefs take DeCastro or possibly Kuechley at #11. I'm not in the camp of taking either Poe or Tannehill.

Me too

BossChief
03-20-2012, 05:41 PM
Would rather go Barron. We need talent and depth at safety way more than corner.

This

Barron is vastly underrated IMO.

I know most here are in love with Lewis the same way they were with Page, but all in all they are very similar players.

Adding a guy like Barron, in today's passing league, would improve the quality of this defense quite a bit.

I think we are close to set at corner for 2012.

We only have 2 good safeties and one is coming off a major injury.

evolve27
03-20-2012, 05:48 PM
Don't need another CB this early, we should go DE or LB instead IMO

SNR
03-20-2012, 05:49 PM
Flowers
Routt
(Arenas)- full time nickel
Brown/Daniels- if Brown doesn't improve this year, Daniels has shown enough to be very effective

That's pretty fucking deep. Now let's look at our safeties:

Berry
Lewis
Moldy poop

I think we all know what has to happen this draft if we take ANY defensive back. I'm not a fan of taking Jenkins that high. Kirkpatrick is just a slight reach. I wouldn't be disappointed in that.

But let's face it. That extra corner you're adding is still leaving open a HUGE weakness beyond our starting two safeties. That needs to get addressed fast here. Barron isn't a totally stupid pick. We should seriously consider it. If we're already trading down to possibly take DeCastro/Kirkpatrick/Perry, then Barron needs to be mentioned in that mix as well

SNR
03-20-2012, 05:51 PM
Can you imagine facing Manning with an injury to either safety? Rashard Langford ain't gonna save you.

evolve27
03-20-2012, 05:51 PM
Flowers
Routt
(Arenas)- full time nickel
Brown/Daniels- if Brown doesn't improve this year, Daniels has shown enough to be very effective

That's pretty ****ing deep. Now let's look at our safeties:

Berry
Lewis
Moldy poop

I think we all know what has to happen this draft if we take ANY defensive back. I'm not a fan of taking Jenkins that high. Kirkpatrick is just a slight reach. I wouldn't be disappointed in that.

But let's face it. That extra corner you're adding is still leaving open a HUGE weakness beyond our starting two safeties. That needs to get addressed fast here. Barron isn't a totally stupid pick. We should seriously consider it. If we're already trading down to possibly take DeCastro/Kirkpatrick/Perry, then Barron needs to be mentioned in that mix as well

I thought we got rid of Daniels?

evolve27
03-20-2012, 05:52 PM
Can you imagine facing Manning with an injury to either safety? Rashard Langford ain't gonna save you.

I think Langford cut too.

Pawnmower
03-20-2012, 05:57 PM
Hmm I'm not sure......

Did we get Arenas with 2B or 3 last year.......?

I would say with pick one especially you don't even think about position at all, you just get the best player. So if that kid isn't the best overall player, clearly, I say no.

SNR
03-20-2012, 05:58 PM
I think Langford cut too.According to the internet they're both still under contract. At least Daniels is anyway.

BossChief
03-20-2012, 06:04 PM
If we have Barron and Berry (ahhh shit, another killer b) as safeties, anybody looking to attack us deep would be in for a surprise.

...

Langford was a restricted FA, but we didn't chose to exercise our rights to him so he is now a free agent.

SNR
03-20-2012, 06:06 PM
If we have Barron and Berry (ahhh shit, another killer b) as safeties, anybody looking to attack us deep would be in for a surprise.

...

Langford was a restricted FA, but we didn't chose to exercise our rights to him so he is now a free agent.He'll come back. They aaaaall come back.

bevischief
03-20-2012, 06:10 PM
I would rather go safety before corner back.

Wilson8
03-20-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't think Pioli will invest that high in another safety, both with 1st round draft pick and with money. Berry's contract was for $60 million. Lewis as a 5th round pick, has been a low cost good player for the Chiefs. The Chiefs could get a better safety than Lewis, but not sure they are prepared to make that investment.

SNR
03-20-2012, 08:44 PM
I don't think Pioli will invest that high in another safety, both with 1st round draft pick and with money. Berry's contract was for $60 million. Lewis as a 5th round pick, has been a low cost good player for the Chiefs. The Chiefs could get a better safety than Lewis, but not sure they are prepared to make that investment.And after Lewis?

We haven't signed any safety depth this free agent period. We're going to need to get some guys in the draft, and I'd like to see them invest pretty heavily, actually. We need a quality player to back up. I'm sick of McGraw and Pissycatfucky

BossChief
03-20-2012, 09:21 PM
Routt gave up how many touchdowns last year?

Sure would be nice to have a playmaker playing right behind him....especially if SR goes down and Brown gets thrust into the starters role.

The kid is a damn good player that would be on the field a lot.

Don't forget, Berry is coming off an ACL and Lewis has missed games both years with us.

A guy like Barron would make this defensive secondary scary as hell.

loochy
03-20-2012, 09:22 PM
we should draft a corner, wait for him to get good, then let him walk in FA

Wilson8
03-20-2012, 09:26 PM
And after Lewis?

We haven't signed any safety depth this free agent period. We're going to need to get some guys in the draft, and I'd like to see them invest pretty heavily, actually. We need a quality player to back up. I'm sick of McGraw and Pissycat****y

Completely agree that the Chief's need to improve at safety and I think they will with a lower cost free agent or maybe a mid round draft pick.

Pawnmower
03-20-2012, 09:27 PM
we should draft a corner, wait for him to get good, then let him walk in FA

ROFL

Blick
03-20-2012, 10:00 PM
I think Barron could be a real possibility. We've already added insurance for Charles and Moeaki with Hillis and Boss, so I think we could look to help Berry out at safety as well.

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 10:11 PM
Barron makes no fucking sense.

Berry plays like 95% of our defensive snaps, and will be a Chief for 10 years.

An insurance policy isn't worth the #11 overall.

Corner is different -- we can let Routt go after a season or two if we have to.

We're not letting Berry go anywhere, ever.

Blick
03-20-2012, 10:15 PM
Barron makes no ****ing sense.

Berry plays like 95% of our defensive snaps, and will be a Chief for 10 years.

An insurance policy isn't worth the #11 overall.

Corner is different -- we can let Routt go after a season or two if we have to.

We're not letting Berry go anywhere, ever.

:spock: They can play at the same time, and be awesome.

Wilson8
03-20-2012, 10:19 PM
CB Casey Hayward from Vanderbilt looked good in the Senior Bowl practices and game. Good or bad, he has a lot of the qualities that Pioli looks for in the draft. Good SEC player, team captain, Senior Bowl standout, good vertical and broad jump, etc..

He's projected to be a 3rd round pick.

Jalil Brown seems to have Chiefs fans really liking him or hating him. He has a lot of good physical attributes but when I've watched him in practice and games, he seems to get beat a lot or does a lot of holding and grabbing the receiver to keep from getting beat.

I hope Jalil doesn't end up being another Donald Washington.

Chief_For_Life58
03-20-2012, 10:27 PM
And after Lewis?

We haven't signed any safety depth this free agent period. We're going to need to get some guys in the draft, and I'd like to see them invest pretty heavily, actually. We need a quality player to back up. I'm sick of McGraw and Pissycat****y

that ss from notre dame looked pretty good at the combine. never watched his tape or anything though. definitely looked like an upgrade to mcgraws dumb ass though

KC Hawks
03-20-2012, 10:34 PM
Drafting Barron and moving Berry to FS (which I think would fully utilize his talents) is intriguing.

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 10:35 PM
:spock: They can play at the same time, and be awesome.

Neither is a natural center fielder.

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 10:38 PM
CB Casey Hayward from Vanderbilt looked good in the Senior Bowl practices and game. Good or bad, he has a lot of the qualities that Pioli looks for in the draft. Good SEC player, team captain, Senior Bowl standout, good vertical and broad jump, etc..

He's projected to be a 3rd round pick.

Yup. Certainly someone to keep an eye on.

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 10:38 PM
Drafting Barron and moving Berry to FS (which I think would fully utilize his talents) is intriguing.

Sheesh.

Why don't we just move Albert to RT.

KC Hawks
03-20-2012, 10:40 PM
Sheesh.

Why don't we just move Albert to RT.

Berry played FS his first two years in college and racked up 12 interceptions.

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 10:43 PM
Berry played FS his first two years in college and racked up 12 interceptions.

And Albert played guard.

Put your best talent in the best places for them.

Berry is a line of scrimmage seek-and-destroy machine, with spot coverage on tight ends.

He can play free, but why waste that talent?

KC Tattoo
03-20-2012, 10:43 PM
I want BPA and not care as much for need in the first round. If we can upgrade a position then we can make a trade with one of the vets that is holding us back.

SNR
03-20-2012, 10:45 PM
CB Casey Hayward from Vanderbilt looked good in the Senior Bowl practices and game. Good or bad, he has a lot of the qualities that Pioli looks for in the draft. Good SEC player, team captain, Senior Bowl standout, good vertical and broad jump, etc..

He's projected to be a 3rd round pick.

Jalil Brown seems to have Chiefs fans really liking him or hating him. He has a lot of good physical attributes but when I've watched him in practice and games, he seems to get beat a lot or does a lot of holding and grabbing the receiver to keep from getting beat.

I hope Jalil doesn't end up being another Donald Washington.Funny you should mention Donald Washington. It's kind of funny how the Chiefs are fans of taking the unknown guy from a pair of corners on a college team later in the draft.

Donald Washington teamed up with Malcom Jenkings at Ohio State, and Jalil Brown played across from Jimmy Smith at Colorado.

BOOKMARK THIS POST, GUYS: The Chiefs will take DeQuan Menzie in the 4th round of the 2012 NFL Draft. You heard it here first. I am saving this post and will shove it in all ya'll's faces when this comes true.

Direckshun
03-20-2012, 10:48 PM
Funny you should mention Donald Washington. It's kind of funny how the Chiefs are fans of taking the unknown guy from a pair of senior corners on a college team later in the draft.

Donald Washington teamed up with Malcom Jenkings at Ohio State, and Jalil Brown played across from Jimmy Smith at Colorado.

BOOKMARK THIS POST, GUYS: The Chiefs will take DeQuan Menzie in the 4th round of the 2012 NFL Draft. You heard it here first. I am saving this post and will shove it in all ya'll's faces when this comes true.

Heh.

KC Hawks
03-20-2012, 10:52 PM
And Albert played guard.

Put your best talent in the best places for them.

Berry is a line of scrimmage seek-and-destroy machine, with spot coverage on tight ends.

He can play free, but why waste that talent?

There's no doubt he can be a great SS ala Polamalu. But coming out of college I thought he was an Ed Reed clone. And IMO, Reed > Polamalu.

NJChiefsFan
03-20-2012, 10:53 PM
There's no doubt he can be a great SS ala Polamalu. But coming out of college I thought he was an Ed Reed clone. And IMO, Reed > Polamalu.

I think he is a little bit of both.

KC Hawks
03-20-2012, 10:58 PM
Obviously, we don't need to draft a starting safety, and I like Lewis. But like I said, drafting Barron is intriguing.

BossChief
03-20-2012, 11:02 PM
And Albert played guard.

Put your best talent in the best places for them.

Berry is a line of scrimmage seek-and-destroy machine, with spot coverage on tight ends.

He can play free, but why waste that talent?

Less contact at free safety for a rehabbing player wouldn't be all bad.

KC Tattoo
03-21-2012, 12:39 AM
I woulnd't complain if we got a top notch CB in the first round.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2012, 01:36 AM
Drafting a CB round 1 would be stupid.

It's either

Tannehill

Pass Rusher

Fritz88
03-21-2012, 02:23 AM
Doesn't matter. Romeo will figure out a way to own PM.

I want pass rushers.
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KC Tattoo
03-21-2012, 02:42 AM
Doesn't matter. Romeo will figure out a way to own PM.

I want pass rushers.
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Yep we need pass rush. We need compitition to light a fire under T Jax too. I don't have much expectations for him to go to the next level of play. I think he has peaked in his development stage.

Wilson8
03-21-2012, 05:25 AM
In an 810 radio interview the other day, they asked Randy Cross about the Chiefs and Brandon Carr. He said that no doubt Carr was a better CB than Routt but it comes down to where best to spend the money. He said the Chiefs would be better served by spending the money they saved on Carr on a pass rush. He said a good pass rush will make the CBs play that much better.