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scho63
03-21-2012, 02:59 AM
Scott Piolii will be happy to read this in the morning's paper....

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/20/3503895/chiefs-whiff-on-chance-to-improve.html

ROFL

Can't say I disagreee

Fritz88
03-21-2012, 03:00 AM
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scho63
03-21-2012, 03:03 AM
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Your wish is my command.......

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Chiefs whiff on chance to improve at QB

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/20/3503895/chiefs-whiff-on-chance-to-improve.html#storylink=cpy

The question is simple, and I am asking it directly: Do the Chiefs have a better quarterback situation now than when last season ended?

In other words, is Matt Cassel with Brady Quinn better than Cassel with Kyle Orton? Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli is trying to answer the question, and for that he gets credit.

For the answer itself, though, you can be the judge:

“I think we have a very good quarterback situation now,” he says. “I haven’t looked at it through that prism. I think we have a very good and very competitive quarterback situation. I really do. And it is what it is. You know what I mean? That’s the situation we have. And I’m very comfortable with it.”

Pioli promises he’s good with this, but it’s hard to imagine many Chiefs fans feeling the same way. Peyton Manning is in Denver now, without taking the time to even visit Kansas City — even after talking with Pioli and hearing owner Clark Hunt take the Chiefs’ wooing national.

Instead, the Chiefs have a clearly inferior quarterback situation after an offseason publicly devoted to improving the quarterback situation. Orton beat out Quinn in Denver last year, is the only one of the two with any NFL success … and left to be the backup in Dallas.

Pioli called Orton’s contract (essentially a three-year contract worth $10.5 million) “very, very generous,” but when he’s done mocking the deal he’ll have to realize that money the Chiefs have and will soon be required to spend could’ve been used to back up his own public promises.

An offseason that began with Pioli and coach Romeo Crennel talking about better quarterback competition, and that spiked with owner Hunt telling the world his team wanted Manning, is now winding down with a weaker quarterback situation than what the Chiefs ended last season with. Let that sink in.

Pioli did a lot of good things this offseason, and he might do more before next month’s draft. The Chiefs signed a power running back (Peyton Hillis) to complement Jamaal Charles. They signed a legitimate No. 2 cornerback (Stanford Routt) when the price for Brandon Carr went too high. They added a solid tight end (Kevin Boss) as insurance for Tony Moeaki.

Most important, they signed the free-agent market’s best right tackle (Eric Winston) to fill the first-string’s biggest hole.

It’s just that on what should have been the Chiefs’ most important offseason priority — the only thing that could’ve drastically improved the franchise — Pioli whiffed.

That’s it.

Just whiffed.

And worse: He apparently doesn’t even know why Manning wouldn’t consider the Chiefs.

“He never explained to me nor did I ask,” Pioli said. “ … I don’t think it was my place to do that.”

Now, Pioli even addressing this is progress. A year ago, it would’ve been hard to imagine him talking about a player who signed somewhere else. But the Chiefs have made a concerted effort to speak more openly to fans, so Pioli found himself talking about his pursuit of Manning.

But what came in the answers can be no consolation to Chiefs fans.

The Chiefs — considering the team’s cap space, strong roster and Hunt’s words — were among Manning’s biggest snubs. Among other teams that couldn’t get a face-to-face with Manning, Washington traded for the opportunity to draft Robert Griffin III and the Seahawks signed Matt Flynn to a surprisingly reasonable contract.

Pioli’s conference call with reporters on Tuesday was cut short after about 17 minutes by some technical glitches, and he didn’t respond to follow-up questions sent through the team’s communications department about whether he knew whether Manning’s snub was fueled by anything specific about the Chiefs.

That means many will speculate that well-known drama within the organization made Manning unwilling to even visit (even as another Chiefs source stressed this wasn’t the case).

That’s not entirely fair. Manning’s snub of the Chiefs isn’t necessarily a middle finger at Hunt or Pioli any more than his refusal to meet with the Seahawks or Jets is a middle finger to those organizations.

If it was only about the best chance of winning right away, the Chiefs are a better choice than the Broncos. But if it was only about the best chance of winning right away, the 49ers, a team he also snubbed, are a better choice than the Chiefs.

Manning held his introductory news conference in Denver on Tuesday and spoke mostly in generalities about choosing the Broncos.

He emphasized his comfort with owner Pat Bowlen and VP of football operations John Elway — which could be interpreted that the Chiefs lacked the right leadership.

But he also said “this is a now situation” and Elway added “there is no plan B” — which can only be heard as the antithesis of Pioli’s Chiefs.

Manning’s truest and unfiltered thoughts about the teams he didn’t choose probably won’t ever go public. That’s just not his style, and Pioli says he won’t spend time worrying over things he can’t control, that his job is to manage the things he can control.

But Pioli’s well-earned reputation of being meticulous and researching every possibility makes it hard to believe he’s content taking an ambiguous thanks-but-no-thanks from the one player who could’ve instantly made this franchise a serious Super Bowl threat.

Pioli did enough other good things to take some of the sting from not upgrading at quarterback, but if he didn’t find out why Manning skipped Kansas City, then how can he know whether it was something he could control?

And if he really doesn’t have the answer, how can Chiefs fans know everything possible is being done to win a championship?

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/20/3503895/chiefs-whiff-on-chance-to-improve.html#storylink=cpy

BigMeatballDave
03-21-2012, 03:05 AM
Pioli is a fucking liar.

Rotting scrotums > Pioli

Fritz88
03-21-2012, 03:07 AM
Thanks

btlook1
03-21-2012, 03:17 AM
I agree with this article!! The Chiefs whiffed in a big way, granted 5 years 90+ mil...was way to much to spend on Manning. Question is will Cassle show up next year or are we doomed before the season starts?

jspchief
03-21-2012, 03:29 AM
Nothing says Chamionship! Like the GM referring to the QB situation as "it is what it is".

/wrist

threebag02
03-21-2012, 03:32 AM
The Matt Cassel is a ProBowl Quarterback. Feel good about it.

KC Tattoo
03-21-2012, 03:35 AM
We have whiffed for the last 40 years. Lenny the Cool is only QB the Chiefs got right. Jury is out on Stanzi and maybe even Brady Quinn but I want us to go after a high round QB if not this year then next. I'm not upset we didn't get Manning, I'm upset that year after year we fail to get a QB from the draft that we can get excited about and have some hope.

Fruit Ninja
03-21-2012, 03:41 AM
lol, Its not about whiffing on manning imo. ITs just we are stuck in the same fucking situation as always, no damned legit qb.

Year after year, im sorry but i learned my lesson. We arent winning shit without a good qb. I fullly understand that now and there's nothing that wil change my mind. We stand no chance to win the Superbowl with Matt Cassel. NONE

kysirsoze
03-21-2012, 03:41 AM
Nothing says Chamionship! Like the GM referring to the QB situation as "it is what it is".

/wrist

Well.... It kind of is. If Matt Flynn is turns out to be a stud, then Pioli will look like a dumbass, but otherwise, what should he have done? I suppose re-signing Orton was a way he could have gone, but c'mon... that's not the change at QB everyone is looking for. Basically, in FA it was Manning or bust and he didn't want to be a Chief. I hope they address it in the draft but you can't manufacture a franchise QB out of thin air. The organization made it clear that Cassel isn't the golden boy by pursuing Manning. It's a matter of time and opportunity until Matt is out of the picture. That doesn't make Pioli a shitty GM.

The moment he passes on a legit QB shot to stick with Cassel or any other "safe" option, I'll agree, but I don't know what else he could have done. (Again, other than sign a former back-up that looked good with an elite offense)

kysirsoze
03-21-2012, 03:43 AM
lol, Its not about whiffing on manning imo. ITs just we are stuck in the same ****ing situation as always, no damned legit qb.

Year after year, im sorry but i learned my lesson. We arent winning shit without a good qb. I fullly understand that now and there's nothing that wil change my mind. We stand no chance to win the Superbowl with Matt Cassel. NONE

I think this fanbase is too easy to pour all of our years of QB woes onto Pioli. He tried to address it with Cassel and clearly failed. They've now publicly admitted their mistake with the pursuit of Cassel. If they stand pat, I totally get the hate. I hope they don't. I guess we'll see.

Fruit Ninja
03-21-2012, 03:52 AM
I think this fanbase is too easy to pour all of our years of QB woes onto Pioli. He tried to address it with Cassel and clearly failed. They've now publicly admitted their mistake with the pursuit of Cassel. If they stand pat, I totally get the hate. I hope they don't. I guess we'll see.

THe thing is, the fans have seen this script already. We know how it ends up. It ends up in a first round play off ass raping at best. Defense is good, gets us to the play offs, but in the play offs when you need your Offense to step up and make plays, it dont work.

I remember that Ravens game a few years back. Jamaal Charles broke a 50 yarder for a td we go up 7-0 and then proceed to give up 30 unanswered points. We dont even move the ball after that. WE still dont have a QB that can make the big play. Say wha tyou want about FLacco that game. He was making some damned good passes to Heap all day long and we couldnt do ANYTHING.

Same thing will happen once we face them elite teams. It makes me not really look forward to football season because, ive already seen this movie.

Fritz88
03-21-2012, 04:17 AM
I really do believe that Polio is starting to feel the heat from this Cassel experiment.
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evolve27
03-21-2012, 04:42 AM
Nothing new, Peyton didn't want to come here. Cassel is horrible. We should have kept Orton. Need to draft a QB. Pioli is cheap.

KC Tattoo
03-21-2012, 04:49 AM
I really do believe that Polio is starting to feel the heat from this Cassel experiment.
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I think he is on a short leash from Clark Hunt as it was Clark Hunt who made Pioli to fire Haley. So if Pioli is that big of an idiot to put his stock in Cassel he deserves to be fired.

InChiefsHell
03-21-2012, 05:49 AM
The moment he passes on a legit QB shot to stick with Cassel or any other "safe" option, I'll agree, but I don't know what else he could have done. (Again, other than sign a former back-up that looked good with an elite offense)

Which he already did and look how that turned out.

I agree, other than break the bank on Manning and have no upgrades anywhere else, what else should he have done? We might still make some crazy ass move to get Tannehill, but other than that, there were no legit QB 's out there. Orton is Cassel 2.0. A little better than Matt but not enough to make giving him a contract worth it.

We won't be winning the division this year IMO. But we'll be a good team and we'll have to hope for a QB next year. Again.

wazu
03-21-2012, 05:53 AM
Did Pioli seriously mock Orton's $10.5 million contract? After giving $60 million to an inferior QB he had to trade a high 2nd round pick to get?

LOCOChief
03-21-2012, 06:00 AM
$96 Million / 5 years / 36 year old injured QB - No thanks.

If we really want a franchise QB we would've been further away from getting one with PM here, maybe Orton too.

2bikemike
03-21-2012, 06:03 AM
I would say we are just about where we started last year. Maybe slightly better. Orton is certainly better that Quinn but as others have said he (Orton) and Cassell are pretty even IMHO.

OnTheWarpath58
03-21-2012, 06:08 AM
Did Pioli seriously mock Orton's $10.5 million contract? After giving $60 million to an inferior QB he had to trade a high 2nd round pick to get?

Yeah, I found that humorous as well, considering he paid Orton $2.5M for THREE GAMES last year.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 06:11 AM
ďI think we have a very good quarterback situation now,Ē he says. ďI havenít looked at it through that prism. I think we have a very good and very competitive quarterback situation. I really do. And it is what it is. You know what I mean? Thatís the situation we have. And Iím very comfortable with it.Ē

is Scott Pioli really this stoopid?

Deberg_1990
03-21-2012, 06:16 AM
Kind of hard for me to blame Pioli for not getting Manning. If a guy doesnt want to go somewhere or the Owner only wants to pay so much, nothing he can do about it. Simple as that.

The Chiefs would have been better served tanking the season last year like the Colts did.

ChiefFripp
03-21-2012, 06:19 AM
F it! Move on. Pioloi probably knows exactly why Manning didn't choose KC, but why rub salt in the wound? We have enough talent on this team now to win with a mediocre QB. The Chiefs should actually be the antithesis of what every other team is trying to be, which is a pass first team. We should have a clock chewing, wear you down offense with a lot of teams will not be prepared to handle. I see us winning the division more than I see a Manning led broncos winning it.

philfree
03-21-2012, 06:19 AM
ďI think we have a very good quarterback situation now,Ē he says. ďI havenít looked at it through that prism. I think we have a very good and very competitive quarterback situation. I really do. And it is what it is. You know what I mean? Thatís the situation we have. And Iím very comfortable with it.Ē

is Scott Pioli really this stoopid?

It sucks to read that but there's nothing else he can say unless he wants to throw all three of our QBs under the bus.

We didin't whiff on Manning because he was never even pitched our way.

Didn't get over $5mil in the 1st year of his contract? :shrug:


I feel like the KC press hate Pioli so much that they are really trying to get him run out of town.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 06:23 AM
I feel like the KC press hate Pioli so much that they are really trying to get him run out of town.

as they should.
he doesn't have a clue when it comes to QB's.

philfree
03-21-2012, 06:25 AM
as they should.
he doesn't have a clue when it comes to QB's.

While I want to agree with that he really has had to many to choose from.

Von Dumbass
03-21-2012, 06:29 AM
We should trade Pioli and our 1st and 2nd round picks to the Donks for Horseface. At least Horseface will do everything in his power to bring us the franchise QB the Kansas City Chiefs deserve.

TRR
03-21-2012, 06:31 AM
It sucks to read that but there's nothing else he can say unless he wants to throw all three of our QBs under the bus.

We didin't whiff on Manning because he was never even pitched our way.

Didn't get over $5mil in the 1st year of his contract? :shrug:


I feel like the KC press hate Pioli so much that they are really trying to get him run out of town.

It's the offseason and the media needs a story. I do agree with you however. Mellinger keeps comparing the Cassel/Orton combo to Cassel/Quinn, but what he doesn't say is that they really were never "together.". Cassel was done for the year when Orton came in.

The Flynn suggestion is a good one in theory, but Flynn wanted to go to a familiar place with a very good chance to start, and that is exactly what he is getting in Seattle. KC would have had a hard time winning that battle as well.

I am just thankfull that Pioli didn't continue to chase Manning throughout FA only to lose other potential FA's like the 49ers and others did. If Manning didn't see what KC was all about and at least give them a visit, then so be it. Admittedly KC wasn't Eric Winston's top choice either until coming to KC, seeing the town, and meeting with the brass.
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BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 06:31 AM
While I want to agree with that he really has had to many to choose from.

when your team is on the verge of Greatness (except for QB) as the case with the Chiefs you get aggressive.
by signing Quinn to compete with Cassel, he surrendered.

bevischief
03-21-2012, 06:31 AM
I really do believe that Polio is starting to feel the heat from this Cassel experiment.
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Not enough.

PhillyChiefFan
03-21-2012, 06:33 AM
$96 Million / 5 years / 36 year old injured QB - No thanks.

If we really want a franchise QB we would've been further away from getting one with PM here, maybe Orton too.

Absolutely. If I were a Denver fan, I'd be a little uneasy that Quinn is gone, and they alienated the only other backup they have in Tebow. Now, they have to draft a QB or sign a no-namer just to fill the slots....with a 36 yr old QB coming of neck surgery at the helm.

IMO, if PM would have chosen the Chiefs, I don't believe Pioli/Hunt would have gone after another young 1st rd caliber QB until PM retired or went down. By then grooming a QB is pretty much out of the question, you just have to throw him in the fire.

philfree
03-21-2012, 06:35 AM
when your team is on the verge of Greatness (except for QB) as the case with the Chiefs you get aggressive.
by signing Quinn to compete with Cassel, he surrendered.

I've laways hated Manning so not getting him keeps life simple. I would have gotten on board if we did get him but I would have to put an * beside all the games he played in. So after Manning who should we have agressively went after? Orton? Really?

threebag02
03-21-2012, 06:36 AM
I would rather have Orton as a starter over The Matt Cassel. Football is more exciting when you can throw past five yards.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 06:37 AM
I would rather have Orton as a starter over The Matt Cassel. Football is more exciting when you can throw past five yards.

yep.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 06:38 AM
I've laways hated Manning so not getting him keeps life simple. I would have gotten on board if we did get him but I would have to put an * beside all the games he played in. So after Manning who should we have agressively went after? Orton? Really?

like threebag said at Least keep Orton he can throw the ball past five yards.

KILLER_CLOWN
03-21-2012, 06:41 AM
I agree, Should have AT THE VERY LEAST kept Orton.

philfree
03-21-2012, 06:47 AM
like threebag said at Least keep Orton he can throw the ball past five yards.

I don't think Orton wanted to be a Chief so that's a moot point to me.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 06:51 AM
I don't think Orton wanted to be a Chief so that's a moot point to me.

It was Pissoli's job to convince him to stay here.

i understand the concept of "if you're ever gonna see a rainbow you gotta stand a little rain" but 4 years of Casshole is a bit much.

philfree
03-21-2012, 06:55 AM
It was Pissoli's job to convince him to stay here.

i understand the concept of "if you're ever gonna see a rainbow you gotta stand a little rain" but 4 years of Casshole is a bit much.

Yeah it is. In the end I think Orton would have been just as big a disapointment as Cassel. Changing for the sake of change isn't going to make any difference.

notorious
03-21-2012, 07:03 AM
The writers are reading Chiefsplanet, now, or they finally grew a brain.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 07:03 AM
Yeah it is. In the end I think Orton would have been just as big a disapointment as Cassel. Changing for the sake of change isn't going to make any difference.

that may be true but at least our opponents would have to respect the field beyond 5 yards with Orton.

but IMO Pioli asked Orton to backup Cassel and that was an insult to Orton.

FringeNC
03-21-2012, 07:05 AM
We could have cut Cassel, and signed Orton for less than half of what Cassel's making over the next three years. Maybe Pioli could have brought Cassel back as depth and paid him league minimum -- if he is even worth that.

notorious
03-21-2012, 07:06 AM
IMO, if PM would have chosen the Chiefs, I don't believe Pioli/Hunt would have gone after another young 1st rd caliber QB until PM retired or went down. By then grooming a QB is pretty much out of the question, you just have to throw him in the fire.



Do you really believe that Pioli is going to try a potential franchise QB, and better yet, do you want this coaching staff withing 100 miles of that QB?

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 07:07 AM
We could have cut Cassel, and signed Orton for less than half of what Cassel's making over the next three years. Maybe Pioli could have brought Cassel back as depth and paid him league minimum -- if he is even worth that.

yep.

KCUnited
03-21-2012, 07:09 AM
Manning, Orton, any coach worth a ****, if they don't want to be here, what are you going to do?

notorious
03-21-2012, 07:12 AM
Manning, Orton, any coach worth a ****, if they don't want to be here, what are you going to do?

Get someone who can make this a place that QB's want to play at.

FringeNC
03-21-2012, 07:14 AM
Manning, Orton, any coach worth a ****, if they don't want to be here, what are you going to do?

I'm guessing Orton would have played here if we had cut Cassel.

KCUnited
03-21-2012, 07:15 AM
Get someone who can make this a place that QB's want to play at.

I'm not sure I trust Clark to find his own replacement.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 07:16 AM
Manning, Orton, any coach worth a ****, if they don't want to be here, what are you going to do?

Orton would have stayed here had he been offered the starting job.
isn't it Pioli's job to upgrade?

Orton was an upgrade for lat least the upcoming season.

notorious
03-21-2012, 07:16 AM
I'm not sure I trust Clark to find his own replacement.

Maybe Tebow's dad will do us a big favor and force the issue.

notorious
03-21-2012, 07:19 AM
Orton would have stayed here had he been offered the starting job.
isn't it Pioli's job to upgrade?

Orton was an upgrade for lat least the upcoming season.


This.


The Orton part of the equation is a dead giveaway to the underlying story. He knew last season then that Cassel was going to start this year no matter what. That's why he hit the road ASAFP. All of this Manning talk is just the front office blowing smoke up our ass.


This franchise is so fucked it's scary.

mlyonsd
03-21-2012, 07:24 AM
Cassel better get zapped by lightening or something so the light bulb flips on.

The boo birds will destroy the team this year if he plays as in the past.

Mile High Mania
03-21-2012, 07:33 AM
Absolutely. If I were a Denver fan, I'd be a little uneasy that Quinn is gone, and they alienated the only other backup they have in Tebow. Now, they have to draft a QB or sign a no-namer just to fill the slots....with a 36 yr old QB coming of neck surgery at the helm.

IMO, if PM would have chosen the Chiefs, I don't believe Pioli/Hunt would have gone after another young 1st rd caliber QB until PM retired or went down. By then grooming a QB is pretty much out of the question, you just have to throw him in the fire.

I would really like to see if Denver could make a trade for Mallet. Offer up a R3 this year - see if they can make something work. Mallet would be an ideal backup for Manning and they would potentially have their long-term QB fix in place and after spending a year with Brady, then 2-3 with Manning ... you couldn't ask for more really.

Dave Lane
03-21-2012, 07:39 AM
Kind of hard for me to blame Pioli for not getting Manning. If a guy doesnt want to go somewhere or the Owner only wants to pay so much, nothing he can do about it. Simple as that.

The Chiefs would have been better served tanking the season last year like the Colts did.

No shit if we had this roster plus Andrew Luck oh my god we would be talking about at least 4 to 7 years of dominance in the AFC

Dave Lane
03-21-2012, 07:41 AM
I would really like to see if Denver could make a trade for Mallet. Offer up a R3 this year - see if they can make something work. Mallet would be an ideal backup for Manning and they would potentially have their long-term QB fix in place and after spending a year with Brady, then 2-3 with Manning ... you couldn't ask for more really.

Why would New England do that? they really have no reason to take a third round pick for Mallet just doesn't make any sense

Color Red
03-21-2012, 07:55 AM
[QUOTE=scho63;8478724]Scott Piolii will be happy to read this in the morning's paper....

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/20/3503895/chiefs-whiff-on-chance-to-improve.html

"...but if he didnít find out why Manning skipped Kansas City, then how can he know whether it was something he could control?"

Truly insightful. :clap:

scho63
03-21-2012, 08:04 AM
Orton would have stayed here had he been offered the starting job.
isn't it Pioli's job to upgrade?

Orton was an upgrade for lat least the upcoming season.

:shake:
I totally disagree with this statement-he went to Dallas to be a backup and he is NOT going to ever start while Romo is healthy so Kansas City was actually a BETTER opportunity to start, if that's what he really was after....

Extra Point
03-21-2012, 08:07 AM
Cassel can't break his hand if he only hands off the ball, or does a quick flat or slant pass. Get used to the boredom that will be our offense.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 08:09 AM
Kind of hard for me to blame Pioli for not getting Manning. If a guy doesnt want to go somewhere or the Owner only wants to pay so much, nothing he can do about it. Simple as that.

The Chiefs would have been better served tanking the season last year like the Colts did.

For the umpteenth time tanking exists only in the mind of internet draftmasturbaters. They were too used to a prime Peyton carrying thier ass and Painter really does blow at a record level. I'm suuuuure all those players the Colts cast off were out for the best interest of the Colts and not for themselves!!!

the Talking Can
03-21-2012, 08:09 AM
Did Pioli seriously mock Orton's $10.5 million contract? After giving $60 million to an inferior QB he had to trade a high 2nd round pick to get?

yes...yes he did

Dayze
03-21-2012, 08:12 AM
I'm going to create some sob story about a kids' biggest wish is to meet Matt Cassel, and how it would be a great surprise at the kids' birthday party. I would pretent to be, say, Kreskin The Magician and would like Matt to come on up to the small impromptu stage to 'help' me with a trick. I would turn my top hat upside down to demonstrate there is nothing in the hat.

I would then ask Matt to stick his right hand in there to confirm, then BAM!.....Bear Trap in the hat.


Oh...and I need to borrow somebodys kid.

KCChiefsFan88
03-21-2012, 08:13 AM
Orton would have stayed here had he been offered the starting job.
isn't it Pioli's job to upgrade?

Orton was an upgrade for lat least the upcoming season.

With the Manning and RGIII/Luck scenarios falling through, Orton was the best option for the Chiefs this offseason.

They should have re-signed Orton and shit-canned Cassel.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 08:14 AM
I'm going to create some sob story about a kids' biggest wish is to meet Matt Cassel, and how it would be a great surprise at the kids' birthday party. I would pretent to be, say, Kreskin The Magician and would like Matt to come on up to the small impromptu stage to 'help' me with a trick. I would turn my top hat upside down to demonstrate there is nothing in the hat.

I would then ask Matt to stick his right hand in there to confirm, then BAM!.....Bear Trap in the hat.


Oh...and I need to borrow somebodys kid.

Introduce him to Vargo Hoat. No more throwing hand coachthlayer.

KCChiefsFan88
03-21-2012, 08:16 AM
If Cassel fails next season and takes the Chiefs down with him, then Fat Scott should be fired.

Dayze
03-21-2012, 08:18 AM
what are folks' prediction on the Chiefs record. and what would it take in your opinion, to get Scooter Polio fired?

I say they go 8-8.
if they go 5-11 or less, he'll be fired.

qabbaan
03-21-2012, 08:20 AM
I think it was a designed whiff. Any competition would only be designed to boost Cassel's confidence. Orton would have actually challenged him to start. Quinn more than likely will not be able to.

The Quinn signing is a fine one. It's a project guy on a one year deal for little money and for a backup role. I just feel it was disingenuous for them to act like there was really going to be a competition.

tredadda
03-21-2012, 08:26 AM
Kind of hard for me to blame Pioli for not getting Manning. If a guy doesnt want to go somewhere or the Owner only wants to pay so much, nothing he can do about it. Simple as that.

The Chiefs would have been better served tanking the season last year like the Colts did.

True fans everywhere hate this comment although you are spot on.

crazycoffey
03-21-2012, 08:28 AM
I think we should have resigned orton and sign flynn, then try to trade casshole on draft day for PB&J sandwich (with the crust still on!) and moved the fuck on.

tredadda
03-21-2012, 08:29 AM
what are folks' prediction on the Chiefs record. and what would it take in your opinion, to get Scooter Polio fired?

I say they go 8-8.
if they go 5-11 or less, he'll be fired.

9-7 or 10-6. We went 7-9 last year with Cassel and Palko starting. Yes we still have Cassel, but no Palko. But we also achieved this with a harder schedule minus Charles, Berry, and Moeaki. We also had Richardson at RT last year. Outside of the Cassel situation, every other one of those is better now. Barring a crap ton of injuries I don't see how we finish 8-8 or worse.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 08:29 AM
True fans everywhere hate this comment although you are spot on.

Yeah, all those impending free agents that knew they weren't coming back to the Colts wanted them to have the 1st pick in the draft. Painter sucked balls, so he'd lose his job and never get a chance again. But, but, but Garcon fumbled on purpose!!! The sacrifice of those men. ROFL

Chief Roundup
03-21-2012, 08:30 AM
Great article. Hope Pioli spit his coffee all over himself when he read this.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-21-2012, 08:33 AM
Arrowhead Pride ‏ @ArrowheadPride Close
Heard Kietzmann saying the Chiefs should trade for Blaine Gabbert (no, I'm serious). One emailer just suggested the same (/pulls trigger)



I for one, want NO part of Blazed Garbage.

tredadda
03-21-2012, 08:34 AM
Yeah, all those impending free agents that knew they weren't coming back to the Colts wanted them to have the 1st pick in the draft. Painter sucked balls, so he'd lose his job and never get a chance again. But, but, but Garcon fumbled on purpose!!! The sacrifice of those men. ROFL

They also could have signed Orton or Garrard, yet made no effort. They continued to put their Palko (Painter) out there every week while making a half hearted atempt at best to address the QB situation by bringing a 40 plus year old Collins out of retirement. Yup management was dedicated to winning when Peyton's future was still in doubt and Luck was waiting for the team that got the #1 pick. :thumb:

el borracho
03-21-2012, 08:36 AM
Manning is not a QBoTF so I don't find that upsetting at all. The upsetting bit is that Pioli didn't try harder for a QB last year when we had the opportunity and that there doesn't appear to be any QBoTFs beyond the first two QBs in the upcoming draft.

Seriously, who would be more valuable to this team right now- Justin Houston or Ryan Mallet? Hell, I would rather have Mallet than last year's 2nd round pick, Rodney Hudson.

crazycoffey
03-21-2012, 08:38 AM
Arrowhead Pride ‏ @ArrowheadPride Close
Heard Kietzmann saying the Chiefs should trade for Blaine Gabbert (no, I'm serious). One emailer just suggested the same (/pulls trigger)



I for one, want NO part of Blazed Garbage.

I can't say I'd want no part, he could probably give casshole and brady queff a decent run for their money. BUT I wouldn't advocate a trade for him.

HemiEd
03-21-2012, 08:39 AM
Well.... It kind of is. If Matt Flynn is turns out to be a stud, then Pioli will look like a dumbass, but otherwise, what should he have done? I suppose re-signing Orton was a way he could have gone, but c'mon... that's not the change at QB everyone is looking for. Basically, in FA it was Manning or bust and he didn't want to be a Chief. I hope they address it in the draft but you can't manufacture a franchise QB out of thin air. The organization made it clear that Cassel isn't the golden boy by pursuing Manning. It's a matter of time and opportunity until Matt is out of the picture. That doesn't make Pioli a shitty GM.

The moment he passes on a legit QB shot to stick with Cassel or any other "safe" option, I'll agree, but I don't know what else he could have done. (Again, other than sign a former back-up that looked good with an elite offense)
The three games Orton played made it painfully obvious what needed to be done. The very least, very least, Orton should have been retained.

O.city
03-21-2012, 08:43 AM
I'd take Gabbert in a hearbeat.


FFS, look what he had to deal with last year. No training camp, no weapons besides MJD.

I'd take him off their hands, sit him behind Cassel for a year if you ahve too.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 08:44 AM
What's Todd Reesing up to?

HemiEd
03-21-2012, 08:45 AM
I don't think Orton wanted to be a Chief so that's a moot point to me.

I am not sure how you can say that. He indicated he did, but that he wasn't really wanted. He knew after his last game that they were not going to offer him a contract.

stonedstooge
03-21-2012, 09:03 AM
Can't wait to see the opponents stack the box again this year and dare Casshole to beat them with his arm. Even with Charles healthy and Hillis in the mix, I'm not sure how they can get through 9 defensive players at the line. If Casshole can't complete a 10 yard pass again this season, I don't see any different outcome from last year when Casshole played

chop
03-21-2012, 09:04 AM
The Matt Cassel is a ProBowl Quarterback. Feel good about it.

haha! I always think that it's funny when someone says this. I don't remember, how many guys backed out of the probowl before Cassel was invited. lol

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 09:05 AM
Can't wait to see the opponents stack the box again this year and dare Casshole to beat them with his arm. Even with Charles healthy and Hillis in the mix, I'm not sure how they can get through 9 defensive players at the line. If Casshole can't complete a 10 yard pass again this season, I don't see any different outcome from last year when Casshole played

They said this in 2010 and Charles went for 6 yards a carry. You miss a tackle doing that and he's gone.

Claynus
03-21-2012, 09:05 AM
“I think we have a very good quarterback situation now,” he says. “I haven’t looked at it through that prism. I think we have a very good and very competitive quarterback situation. I really do. And it is what it is. You know what I mean? That’s the situation we have. And I’m very comfortable with it.”

http://i42.tinypic.com/4gna6f.jpg

boogblaster
03-21-2012, 09:07 AM
frickin dumbass .....

notorious
03-21-2012, 09:36 AM
Michael Bishop might be available.

Gary
03-21-2012, 09:37 AM
What's Todd Reesing up to?

At this point, what is Steve DeBerg up to? He threw downfield with an f-ing steel pin sticking out of his pinkie finger, and our current qb couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards out on a perfectly clear day with a tail wind.

Guru
03-21-2012, 09:43 AM
Puck Fioli. Seriously.

crazycoffey
03-21-2012, 09:44 AM
haha! I always think that it's funny when someone says this. I don't remember, how many guys backed out of the probowl before Cassel was invited. lol

I think it was either 14 or 15 QBs who backed out, I'm not sure - my memory is a little fuzzy thinking about anything "good" for Casshole.

TEX
03-21-2012, 09:47 AM
Cassel is holding the team back. He and Routt will kill them this year. I can see losing Carr IF it helps land Manning, but not for the sole purpose of saving cap room...:shake:

Brock
03-21-2012, 09:50 AM
I'm not sure what he was supposed to do.

Micjones
03-21-2012, 09:53 AM
The narrative never changes.

Forget the fact that Manning had no interest in coming to Kansas City.
Forget the fact that Orton chose to be an overpaid clipboard-holder.
Forget the fact that we were in no real position to trade up for either Luck or Griffin.
Forget the fact that there were no other options.

It's always Pioli's fault.

htismaqe
03-21-2012, 09:54 AM
They said this in 2010 and Charles went for 6 yards a carry. You miss a tackle doing that and he's gone.

Yep.

htismaqe
03-21-2012, 09:55 AM
I'm not sure what he was supposed to do.

Pay Manning $90M apparently.

I wanted Manning as much as anybody but I heard Jamie Dukes on NFLN this morning say the deal could be worth over $70M in the first 2 years. That's borderline retarded.

htismaqe
03-21-2012, 09:56 AM
They also could have signed Orton or Garrard

Neither are upgrades.

Pestilence
03-21-2012, 09:57 AM
Pay Manning $90M apparently.

I wanted Manning as much as anybody but I heard Jamie Dukes on NFLN this morning say the deal could be worth over $70M in the first 2 years. That's borderline retarded.

Holy hell. $70 million in 2 years? Honestly....no thanks. I would have given up 3 1st round draft picks for RGIII instead of paying Manning $70 million in 2 years.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 09:59 AM
I'm not sure what he was supposed to do.

Exactly. He can't pull a "franchise guy" out of his ass. Manning wanted to "be" with Horseface and the 2 top QB's in the draft are unattainable. We are left with stopgaps and lackluster options in the draft.

chiefzilla1501
03-21-2012, 10:00 AM
Neither are upgrades.

Orton is a huge upgrade. Not good enough for what we need but significantly better than cassel.

Brock
03-21-2012, 10:00 AM
Orton is a huge upgrade. Not good enough for what we need but significantly better than cassel.

he's not a huge upgrade. He's a marginal upgrade at best.

qabbaan
03-21-2012, 10:01 AM
Pay Manning $90M apparently.

I wanted Manning as much as anybody but I heard Jamie Dukes on NFLN this morning say the deal could be worth over $70M in the first 2 years. That's borderline retarded.

I would agree if I believed they will spend all that money elsewhere improving the team.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 10:02 AM
The narrative never changes.

Forget the fact that Manning had no interest in coming to Kansas City.
Forget the fact that Orton chose to be an overpaid clipboard-holder.
Forget the fact that we were in no real position to trade up for either Luck or Griffin.
Forget the fact that there were no other options.

It's always Pioli's fault.

BUILD ROBO QB 2012 HERPTY DERP!!! BUT THEY ARE TO CHEAP TO DO THAT!!! FUCK THIS TEAM!!!

chiefzilla1501
03-21-2012, 10:05 AM
I'm not sure what he was supposed to do.

their silence worked against him. The fans would be fine if they knew the front office tried. It feels like they made a half ass attempt to court peyton and didn't even ask about rgIII.

The chiefs made promises that they'd fix the qb situation. Don't feed us the same corporate speak that Brady Quinn accomplishes that. Don't try to convince us that we should somehow be happy win cassel. Tell us flat out that cassel has to earn a starting job, is under the gun, and that they're still actively looking.

This situation wouldn't be so bad if the front office would treat fans more respectfully.

Micjones
03-21-2012, 10:06 AM
he's not a huge upgrade. He's a marginal upgrade at best.

His struggles in the red zone bear that out.

Mile High Mania
03-21-2012, 10:13 AM
Pay Manning $90M apparently.

I wanted Manning as much as anybody but I heard Jamie Dukes on NFLN this morning say the deal could be worth over $70M in the first 2 years. That's borderline retarded.

I didn't hear him, but I read that it was more like $40M in the first two if he clears the March 2013 physical with no damage/issues to the specific areas of the neck where he had surgery.

Either way - it's a SB or Bust move with high risk. If this thing works and they can get to a SB and win in the next 2-3 years, it's worth the investment. Until then... as Elway said in the press conference, this guarantees nothing - just gives them a much better shot and they have more work to do.

Rain Man
03-21-2012, 10:14 AM
I'm a little confused by the salary cap stuff. At first I was hearing that we were way under the cap and had something like $40M in room. Then later I heard that it was only $15M and that the Broncos were way under (as if they follow the rules anyway).

If cap space dictated that we couldn't pay a $90M contract over 5 years, then it is what it is. But that's not what I was reading at first.

The biggest problems to me are:

1. The fact that Manning wouldn't talk to us at all, and why, which is a bigger issue than not signing with us in the end.
2. The fact that we let Orton go when he was a clear upgrade over Cassel.
3. Not drafting a QB twice when we had top-five picks. In hindsight some of the obvious choices were mediocre or busts, so does that mean we have really good talent scouting or does it mean that we didn't want a QB?

Not trading up in the draft doesn't bother me. Those trades are always highly risky.

Pioli is doing a good job in fixing everything else, and he seems to identify the problems well. So is he just not finding the right QB and waiting until the right one comes along, or is he too wedded to Cassel to look? Finding the next Brady could take decades, but I think the team could do quite well with the next Donovan McNabb or Matt Schaub or Matt Hasselbeck while we're waiting for the next Brady.

gblowfish
03-21-2012, 10:16 AM
We might sneak in and win the AFC West this year, then get killed in the first round of the playoffs like two years ago. Cassel has a lot to prove. You know the fans are going to be on his ass big time this year, and deservedly so.

I'm afraid as long as the books stay in the black, the candy wrappers get picked up, and Clark's soccer team keeps winning, he'll be a happy and satisfied little Texan.

I'm in kind of a bad mood this week. Winston was the only really good news. This team still needs a QB and NT. Our new goal should be to draft whoever it takes to kill Peyton Manning on a pass rush.

Guru
03-21-2012, 10:29 AM
The narrative never changes.

Forget the fact that Manning had no interest in coming to Kansas City.
Forget the fact that Orton chose to be an overpaid clipboard-holder.
Forget the fact that we were in no real position to trade up for either Luck or Griffin.
Forget the fact that there were no other options.

It's always Pioli's fault.
Though I agree with all your points, Pioli is the one that stuck us with Cassel in the first place. So yes, it is his fault regardless of these facts.

A good majority of us knew Cassel was going to be a turd when he was brought here.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 10:31 AM
Though I agree with all your points, Pioli is the one that stuck us with Cassel n the first place. So yes, it is his fault regardless of all your facts.

A good majority of us knew Cassel was going to be a turd when he was brought here.

As opposed to the other turds that have been available since he took over. Instead of a brown one, we could have one of those cool green ones I guess.

There really hasn't been much available through free agency or thier draft spots.

Brock
03-21-2012, 10:31 AM
their silence worked against him. The fans would be fine if they knew the front office tried. It feels like they made a half ass attempt to court peyton and didn't even ask about rgIII.

The chiefs made promises that they'd fix the qb situation. Don't feed us the same corporate speak that Brady Quinn accomplishes that. Don't try to convince us that we should somehow be happy win cassel. Tell us flat out that cassel has to earn a starting job, is under the gun, and that they're still actively looking.

This situation wouldn't be so bad if the front office would treat fans more respectfully.

I don't care how they treat the fans. It has no bearing on whether the team was improved or not.

Mile High Mania
03-21-2012, 10:33 AM
I'm a little confused by the salary cap stuff. At first I was hearing that we were way under the cap and had something like $40M in room. Then later I heard that it was only $15M and that the Broncos were way under (as if they follow the rules anyway).

If cap space dictated that we couldn't pay a $90M contract over 5 years, then it is what it is. But that's not what I was reading at first.

The biggest problems to me are:

1. The fact that Manning wouldn't talk to us at all, and why, which is a bigger issue than not signing with us in the end.
2. The fact that we let Orton go when he was a clear upgrade over Cassel.
3. Not drafting a QB twice when we had top-five picks. In hindsight some of the obvious choices were mediocre or busts, so does that mean we have really good talent scouting or does it mean that we didn't want a QB?

Not trading up in the draft doesn't bother me. Those trades are always highly risky.

Pioli is doing a good job in fixing everything else, and he seems to identify the problems well. So is he just not finding the right QB and waiting until the right one comes along, or is he too wedded to Cassel to look? Finding the next Brady could take decades, but I think the team could do quite well with the next Donovan McNabb or Matt Schaub or Matt Hasselbeck while we're waiting for the next Brady.

I think his boat is tied to Cassel and he wants to keep it from sinking... prior to giving up and going elsewhere. KC has very nice talent, if Cassel sucks in 2012 ... you need to cut bait.

crazycoffey
03-21-2012, 10:34 AM
Though I agree with all your points, Pioli is the one that stuck us with Cassel in the first place. So yes, it is his fault regardless of these facts.

A good majority of us knew Cassel was going to be a turd when he was brought here.

I don't know how you can say you knew he would be a turd when he was brought in. All signs pointed to it being a good signing. He did really well ALL season in NE that year prior, unlike flynn who did good in two games. I agree the price tag seemed a bit high, but it didn't hurt us financially, so fuck it.

Guru
03-21-2012, 10:34 AM
As opposed to the other turds that have been available since he took over. Instead of a brown one, we could have one of those cool green ones I guess.

There really hasn't been much available through free agency or thier draft spots.

For me, Pioli made three horrible decisions as soon as he got here. First, he traded for a QB before hiring a head coach. Second, that QB was Cassel. Third, he hired Haley.

Micjones
03-21-2012, 10:37 AM
Though I agree with all your points, Pioli is the one that stuck us with Cassel in the first place. So yes, it is his fault regardless of these facts.

A good majority of us knew Cassel was going to be a turd when he was brought here.

He thought Cassel was the right guy for the job. He was wrong.
I don't blame him for thinking he was guy.

His mistake was extending him such a generous contract so soon.
That, he can be (and should be) held accountable for.

The rest of it gets to be flat ridiculous at times.

chiefzilla1501
03-21-2012, 10:39 AM
he's not a huge upgrade. He's a marginal upgrade at best.

He is a very big upgrade, which isn't saying as much for Orton as much as it is saying very little about Cassel.

Orton extends drives whereas Cassel kills them. Orton spreads the field and throws to a lot of receivers whereas Cassel checks down every single time or forces the ball into Bowe's hands. Orton did the pre-check reads whereas Cassel got obliterated this year when Miami had the audacity to blitz him because Cassel doesn't know how to pick up the blitz. The only thing Cassel doesn't do is get into the end zone, but that's going to be better with Hillis and Charles getting us into the end zone whereas Battle and Jones were just plain horrendous. I get that Orton only gives us an outside chance, but at least it's a chance. This season is a complete throwaway if Cassel's under the helm.

Orton is better today, he's cheaper tomorrow. There is simply no excuse for the Chiefs not choosing Orton over Cassel. Zero.

chiefzilla1501
03-21-2012, 10:41 AM
He thought Cassel was the right guy for the job. He was wrong.
I don't blame him for thinking he was guy.

His mistake was extending him such a generous contract so soon.
That, he can be (and should be) held accountable for.

The rest of it gets to be flat ridiculous at times.

No. The problem was that in 3 years, the best he can show for QB competition is a 5th round pick in the 3rd year. In New England, he drafted a QB every single year. He got cocky.

And there is simply no excuse for picking Cassel over Orton. Zero. Don't give me that BS that Orton didn't want to be here. He didn't want to be here because Pioli apparently thought Dallas' contract was too expensive to be backup money. Pioli himself said it was all about money, which is just plain laughable.

Brock
03-21-2012, 10:43 AM
He is a very big upgrade, which isn't saying as much for Orton as much as it is saying very little about Cassel.

Orton extends drives whereas Cassel kills them. Orton spreads the field and throws to a lot of receivers whereas Cassel checks down every single time or forces the ball into Bowe's hands. Orton did the pre-check reads whereas Cassel got obliterated this year when Miami had the audacity to blitz him because Cassel doesn't know how to pick up the blitz. The only thing Cassel doesn't do is get into the end zone, but that's going to be better with Hillis and Charles getting us into the end zone whereas Battle and Jones were just plain horrendous. I get that Orton only gives us an outside chance, but at least it's a chance. This season is a complete throwaway if Cassel's under the helm.

Orton is better today, he's cheaper tomorrow. There is simply no excuse for the Chiefs not choosing Orton over Cassel. Zero.

I don't see any evidence whatever that Orton is a huge upgrade. Was he better? Yeah, a little. In some ways.

Micjones
03-21-2012, 10:44 AM
He is a very big upgrade, which isn't saying as much for Orton as much as it is saying very little about Cassel.

Orton extends drives whereas Cassel kills them. Orton spreads the field and throws to a lot of receivers whereas Cassel checks down every single time or forces the ball into Bowe's hands. Orton did the pre-check reads whereas Cassel got obliterated this year when Miami had the audacity to blitz him because Cassel doesn't know how to pick up the blitz. The only thing Cassel doesn't do is get into the end zone, but that's going to be better with Hillis and Charles getting us into the end zone whereas Battle and Jones were just plain horrendous. I get that Orton only gives us an outside chance, but at least it's a chance. This season is a complete throwaway if Cassel's under the helm.

Orton is better today, he's cheaper tomorrow. There is simply no excuse for the Chiefs not choosing Orton over Cassel. Zero.

He also has VERY well documented struggles in the red zone.
Are you going to ignore that fact?

chiefzilla1501
03-21-2012, 10:54 AM
He also has VERY well documented struggles in the red zone.
Are you going to ignore that fact?

Well documented in what ways? When has he ever had a back that was a legitimate red zone threat? The Broncos had a bottom 3 run offense under McDaniels and a horrendous red zone run offense with KC. It's a different game when you have a balanced red zone attack. In the Chiefs' case, it's not even balanced. Teams are going to be gunning for Charles and Hillis, opening up opportunities for the QB to make red zone plays. Jamaal Charles is going to help us get in the red zone on home runs. Peyton Hillis is going to get us the tough yards. And those guys are going to open up a ton of deep field for Orton to get us quite a few long TDs.

No, Orton is not a Peyton Manning QB who can score in the red zone even without good talent. But he will get us to the red zone with much more regularity, and we now have playmakers in place to start making plays when we get there and help Orton out a little bit. We won't be a great red zone team, but that downside is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the downside of Cassel forcing a ton of 3-and-outs and then lucking into Jamaal Charles hitting a 60-yard run to set up a red zone opportunity.

morphius
03-21-2012, 11:01 AM
For me, Pioli made three horrible decisions as soon as he got here. First, he traded for a QB before hiring a head coach. Second, that QB was Cassel. Third, he hired Haley.
I wouldn't leave out ignoring the KC scouting department and pulling the first draft out of his derriere.

tredadda
03-21-2012, 11:12 AM
Neither are upgrades.

To Painter? You can't be serious. People creamed their shorts over Orton replacing Palko and yet neither him nor Garrard are upgrades over Painter?

morphius
03-21-2012, 11:17 AM
To Painter? You can't be serious. People creamed their shorts over Orton replacing Palko and yet neither him nor Garrard are upgrades over Painter?
Palko was terrible on a grand scale, people would have creamed their shorts to see Bono called up...

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 11:42 AM
:shake:
I totally disagree with this statement-he went to Dallas to be a backup and he is NOT going to ever start while Romo is healthy so Kansas City was actually a BETTER opportunity to start, if that's what he really was after....

i beg to differ.

if Pissoli asked Orton to sign as a backup to Cassel, that was a huge slap in the face and so he signed elsewhere as fast as he could.

NJChiefsFan
03-21-2012, 11:49 AM
The narrative never changes.

Forget the fact that Manning had no interest in coming to Kansas City.
Forget the fact that Orton chose to be an overpaid clipboard-holder.
Forget the fact that we were in no real position to trade up for either Luck or Griffin.
Forget the fact that there were no other options.

It's always Pioli's fault.

I don't really disagree. The problem in defending Pioli in the QB situation is that he brought in Cassel in the first place. It doesn't really matter what the media/fans believed at first, this guy watched Cassel for a long while and made a big mistake. Now he has made a lot of good moves, so its not like I want to kill him because of the initial mistake on Cassel. That being said, he should be on the hook for the Cassel situation, even currently, because he did bring him in.

We also don't know why Manning didn't come. Pioli can say he just didn't want to come, but it could have been the front office for all we know. We don't know for a fact that it was, but we can't completely take Pioli off the hook for this one. That being said, people have basically taken it as fact that he is fully to blame. I think in the end, we were out because, right or wrong, our FO didn't want to pay him that much money.

Orton got paid essentially what our 2nd TE is getting paid. Pioli came out and said that it was basically way too much for Orton. To me it isn't, not if you are willing to give the same contract to Boss. The QB competition is more important. Just makes it seem like he was all too willing to get Orton away from Cassel.

scho63
03-21-2012, 12:05 PM
i beg to differ.

if Pissoli asked Orton to sign as a backup to Cassel, that was a huge slap in the face and so he signed elsewhere as fast as he could.

So Pioli's statement "there is competition" at every position and Romeo is the new HC wouldn't give Orton the chance to start?

Don't you agree that his chance to start with KC was much greater than with Dallas? :hmmm:

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 12:16 PM
So Pioli's statement "there is competition" at every position and Romeo is the new HC wouldn't give Orton the chance to start?

Don't you agree that his chance to start with KC was much greater than with Dallas? :hmmm:

i've read several different quotes from Scott saying Matt Cassel is our starter plus he brings in these quarterbacks that have worse stats than Matt.

Cassel is Pioli's starter and i hope he sinks with Cassel.

scho63
03-21-2012, 12:21 PM
i've read several different quotes from Scott saying Matt Cassel is our starter plus he brings in these quarterbacks that have worse stats than Matt.

Cassel is Pioli's starter and i hope he sinks with Cassel.

That is not in dispute-Cassel is the starter just like the other 31 teams all name their starter and then someone tries to beat them out of the position, should the starter not be Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, or the like.

I can't believe that Romeo would just stick Cassel in there if Orton blew him away during training camp. Haley pulled that shit with Palko and see where it got him?

Micjones
03-21-2012, 12:23 PM
I don't really disagree. The problem in defending Pioli in the QB situation is that he brought in Cassel in the first place. It doesn't really matter what the media/fans believed at first, this guy watched Cassel for a long while and made a big mistake. Now he has made a lot of good moves, so its not like I want to kill him because of the initial mistake on Cassel. That being said, he should be on the hook for the Cassel situation, even currently, because he did bring him in.

We also don't know why Manning didn't come. Pioli can say he just didn't want to come, but it could have been the front office for all we know. We don't know for a fact that it was, but we can't completely take Pioli off the hook for this one. That being said, people have basically taken it as fact that he is fully to blame. I think in the end, we were out because, right or wrong, our FO didn't want to pay him that much money.

Orton got paid essentially what our 2nd TE is getting paid. Pioli came out and said that it was basically way too much for Orton. To me it isn't, not if you are willing to give the same contract to Boss. The QB competition is more important. Just makes it seem like he was all too willing to get Orton away from Cassel.

Difference is, Boss may go on to be the starter at TE if Moeaki can't go.
And that's a very real possibility.

Orton's gonna hold a clipboard.

BoneKrusher
03-21-2012, 12:23 PM
I can't believe that Romeo would just stick Cassel in there if Orton blew him away during training camp. Haley pulled that shit with Palko and see where it got him?

Romeo Crennel is Scott's Yessim Master.
Scott says start Cassel and Crennel says Yessim Master.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2012, 12:46 PM
Romeo Crennel is Scott's Yessim Master.
Scott says start Cassel and Crennel says Yessim Master.

What's up Riots?

whoman69
03-21-2012, 01:38 PM
Well.... It kind of is. If Matt Flynn is turns out to be a stud, then Pioli will look like a dumbass, but otherwise, what should he have done? I suppose re-signing Orton was a way he could have gone, but c'mon... that's not the change at QB everyone is looking for. Basically, in FA it was Manning or bust and he didn't want to be a Chief. I hope they address it in the draft but you can't manufacture a franchise QB out of thin air. The organization made it clear that Cassel isn't the golden boy by pursuing Manning. It's a matter of time and opportunity until Matt is out of the picture. That doesn't make Pioli a shitty GM.

The moment he passes on a legit QB shot to stick with Cassel or any other "safe" option, I'll agree, but I don't know what else he could have done. (Again, other than sign a former back-up that looked good with an elite offense)

There were other options out there that were better options than Cassel, but we didn't make an attempt for. Cassel was plan A, he didn't try very hard to get to plan B.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-21-2012, 01:44 PM
I really hope Cousins is off the board before we pick in the 2nd rnd.

Cousins = Cassel 2.0