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Direckshun
03-21-2012, 10:00 PM
There's been some talk bubbling up that Michael Brockers or another three tech could be a Chief at the #11 overall or if the Chiefs trade down.

I don't think this is terribly likely.

I do think it's likely the Chiefs look to fortify the DE spot so some kid can get his rookie season in learning the five tech position while Jackson, Dorsey, and Bailey take all the reps. Dorsey is gone in 2013 so it could be a good idea to maintain depth going into that year.

In other years, I could see the Chiefs getting a DE at #11 or lower in the first after trading down.

Not this year.

There are three guys who'd interest me at the position: Michael Brockers, Devon Still, and Fletcher Cox.

I think the Chiefs will pass on all three, no matter how far down they trade, unless they get some absolutely stupid value at the very, very bottom of the first.

Brockers is probably not a fit in Kansas City. He brings absolutely zero passrush. His inability to rush the passer is at a Shaun Smith level of pathetic. Little ability to get push, no real speed to close the gap as he just looks like he's running in sand. His play against the run is much better, but I don't see the slam dunk 1st round prospect people see.

Of all the players I'm talking about in this thread, Brockers probably fits the two-gap 3-4 the most... he's not a penetrator, he absorbs blockers so others make plays. That's what he did at LSU. But Pioli's Chiefs have had a bookend combo of Dorsey and Jackson, and I really think they're getting exhausted with it. Slower, run-in-sand types that hold up well against the run but offer zero passrush. Keep in mind the Patriots did have Ty Warren and Richard Seymour -- so they don't want their DEs to be one-dimensional, two-down run stuffers, necessarily.

But that's exactly what Brockers is. Or I guess I should say has been for one season. One season, especially at this position, is not promising enough to warrant a first-round pick. Brockers makes the most sense to me as a 4-3 nose.

Cox looks more like a one-gapping 3-4 player to me. He's very fast and plays very slippery against both the pass and the run. Mississippi State pretty much just asked him to shoot the gaps, even against the run it's pretty much what he did.

Still looks pretty prototypical. He's tall, can fill out more of his frame, and is equally powerful against the pass and the rush.

Still's problem is motivational. He's a big character concern, the motor isn't always there. I saw him just give out on entire games, and that's just something that sticks with you at the next level. Hell, it probably gets worse -- your three defensive lineman aren't going to accomplish shit without mental toughness. Crennel hasn't really shown any desire to chase these kinds of linemen. And after drafting Baldwin last year, I think Pioli wants a break from these kinds of players.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-21-2012, 10:09 PM
My wish is one offseason we'll take care of needs we can address in FA so we can draft the BPA. Like a highly touted skill player, not a reach because he "fits" our system.

Direckshun
03-21-2012, 10:10 PM
My wish is one offseason we'll take care of needs we can address in FA so we can draft the BPA. Like a highly touted skill player, not a reach because he "fits" our system.

That's this year.

Sfeihc
03-21-2012, 10:14 PM
Is Worthy worthy of a first rounder with a trade down in effect for KC?

Direckshun
03-21-2012, 11:08 PM
Is Worthy worthy of a first rounder with a trade down in effect for KC?

Worthy is more of a 4-3 kinda guy to me. He'd be a tweener in the 3-4, especially the two-gapping system.

Too big and immobile to play DE, too small and not resilient enough to play nose.

Dante84
03-21-2012, 11:13 PM
That's this year.

And next year!

One thing we have going is that we did it the right way; and we still have all of our picks now, and going forward.

We didn't sell our future for a quick fix.

This is how the Patriots keep their roster so loaded with talent, and I think we will continue to do the same as the next couple years unfold.

But still, we need to do whatever the fuck it takes to get an elite qb.

J Diddy
03-21-2012, 11:24 PM
And next year!

One thing we have going is that we did it the right way; and we still have all of our picks now, and going forward.

We didn't sell our future for a quick fix.

This is how the Patriots keep their roster so loaded with talent, and I think we will continue to do the same as the next couple years unfold.

But still, we need to do whatever the **** it takes to get an elite qb.

I have a feeling I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I think Cassel is going to have a great year. With all the talent on O there is also a hidden factor. The number 2 is a guy the new coach drafted in the first round in a previous stop with the new OC as his offensive coordinator. If there's anything that screams, "I want to replace you"any more I don't know what it is.

Bump
03-21-2012, 11:33 PM
but I think Cassel is going to have a great year.

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h361/Bump4/gifs/p0Cka.gif

Count Zarth
03-21-2012, 11:38 PM
Oh, Bump. I laughed so hard.

J Diddy
03-21-2012, 11:51 PM
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h361/Bump4/gifs/p0Cka.gif

Yeah cause he didnt the year before last....

:rolleyes:

3200 yards, 27 tds and 7 picks

Count Zarth
03-21-2012, 11:58 PM
3200 yards is not a great year.

Joe Seahawk
03-22-2012, 12:01 AM
I just hope you take the guy that we weren't goint to take anyway (likely) I get the feeling we may take deCastro if you don't. Depends on who's still on the board I guess.

J Diddy
03-22-2012, 12:04 AM
3200 yards is not a great year.


In a run first offense it sure is.

Count Zarth
03-22-2012, 12:06 AM
In a run first offense it sure is.

ROFL

Why do you think it was a run-first offense?

Cassel's head explodes if he has to run a pass-first offense.

J Diddy
03-22-2012, 12:14 AM
ROFL

Why do you think it was a run-first offense?

Cassel's head explodes if he has to run a pass-first offense.


Do me a favor genius. Look up Joe Montana's stats. No I'm not comparing Matty to Joe Montana, however I find it odd that Montana won the NFL MVp in 89 with a 3500, 26 td 8 int performance.


But 20 years later it isn't good enough. Please come at me with it was a different era bullshit too.

Tribal Warfare
03-22-2012, 01:13 AM
I stated this the other day, but out of all the prospects BPA/need added with Pioli's "high floor"( I'll be surprised if Poe is selected by KC) policy IMO it will Dont'a Hightower who is molded for Romeo's defensive scheme.

J Diddy
03-22-2012, 01:15 AM
I stated this the other day, but out of all the prospects BPA/need added with Pioli's "high floor"( I'll be surprised if Poe is selected by KC) policy IMO it will Dont'a Hightower who is molded for Romeo's defensive scheme.
and I will be doing somersaults if that happens

Phobia
03-22-2012, 01:49 AM
Do me a favor genius. Look up Joe Montana's stats. No I'm not comparing Matty to Joe Montana, however I find it odd that Montana won the NFL MVp in 89 with a 3500, 26 td 8 int performance.


But 20 years later it isn't good enough. Please come at me with it was a different era bullshit too.

Montana won back to back SuperBowls in 89 and 90... and one in 85 too. He also only played 13 games in 89. Add in 3 more games at his 270 ypg clip and he's over 4300 yards for the year and 32 TDs against 10 INT. Joe Montana knew how to win. He has a 117-43 W/L record for his career in games started. Matt Cassel is 28-26 and that's giving him the 10 wins in New England because I'm feeling charitable. Don't ever, ever put Joe Montana in the same post as Matt Cassel again. You want to compare Cassel to anybody, look up Elvis Grbac's stats. Grbac is twice the QB Cassel will ever be and he was awful.

Count Zarth
03-22-2012, 01:54 AM
Do me a favor genius. Look up Joe Montana's stats. No I'm not comparing Matty to Joe Montana, however I find it odd that Montana won the NFL MVp in 89 with a 3500, 26 td 8 int performance.


But 20 years later it isn't good enough. Please come at me with it was a different era bullshit too.

You can't compare eras.

And Montana did that in 13 games, not 16.

He ALSO averaged 9.1 yards per attempt, which Cassel will never even come close to. He's a 6 YPA QB. Which means he sucks.

J Diddy
03-22-2012, 02:13 AM
Montana won back to back SuperBowls in 89 and 90... and one in 85 too. He also only played 13 games in 89. Add in 3 more games at his 270 ypg clip and he's over 4300 yards for the year and 32 TDs against 10 INT. Joe Montana knew how to win. He has a 117-43 W/L record for his career in games started. Matt Cassel is 28-26 and that's giving him the 10 wins in New England because I'm feeling charitable. Don't ever, ever put Joe Montana in the same post as Matt Cassel again. You want to compare Cassel to anybody, look up Elvis Grbac's stats. Grbac is twice the QB Cassel will ever be and he was awful.
To clarify, I am not comparing Cassel to Montana. I used that as an example of a good season, which GC disputed. I'm not interested in the comparison.
You can't compare eras.

And Montana did that in 13 games, not 16.

He ALSO averaged 9.1 yards per attempt, which Cassel will never even come close to. He's a 6 YPA QB. Which means he sucks.

He averaged that one season, career avg is less than a yard between cassel and/or Marino and Montana. Plus Cassel did that in 15.(appendectomy)

The man had a good season-- he did what he was supposed to do. Is he ever going to load up and singlehandedly pass our way from behind? no.

Tribal Warfare
03-22-2012, 02:13 AM
I also believe KC won't draft Decastro either, because if they have a interest in elite level/potential OG KC would bring Ben Grubbs and Cark Nicks in for a visit.

KCrockaholic
03-22-2012, 02:24 AM
I heard a rumor that had in Scott Wells for a visit.

I'm starting to like the idea of trading down for Peter Konz. If we could find a way to get 2 first round picks in 2013 that would be ideal.

If we had a situation where we had 2 first round picks in 2013 and we end up with a record good enough to were we are picking in the 20 range with one of our picks, that would allow us to use those picks to trade up and get one of the QB's next year.

If we bring in a rookie QB, with this kind of offensive talent, and the O-line of Albert, Hudson, Konz, Asamoah, Winston, you're setting yourself up for major success for a very long time.

prhom
03-22-2012, 05:27 AM
I heard a rumor that had in Scott Wells for a visit.

I'm starting to like the idea of trading down for Peter Konz. If we could find a way to get 2 first round picks in 2013 that would be ideal.

If we had a situation where we had 2 first round picks in 2013 and we end up with a record good enough to were we are picking in the 20 range with one of our picks, that would allow us to use those picks to trade up and get one of the QB's next year.

If we bring in a rookie QB, with this kind of offensive talent, and the O-line of Albert, Hudson, Konz, Asamoah, Winston, you're setting yourself up for major success for a very long time.

I think Pioli wouldn't mind doing a trade for a first next year. I just don't know who would make that trade. If we're having a hard time finding BPA worthy of our 11 pick who is going to be excited enough about it to give up a first next year? We're probably stuck with it unless we're trading down and getting lesser picks to do so.

Bewbies
03-22-2012, 06:28 AM
I suggest a name change Cassel>Montana Wtf? LMAO

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 06:31 AM
If pioli liked tjax, he loves brockers. I think that's the most likely route we will go.

the Talking Can
03-22-2012, 06:59 AM
people still defend cassel?


holy christ

patteeu
03-22-2012, 08:18 AM
Grbac is twice the QB Cassel will ever be and he was awful.

This year will be a pretty good test of that theory now that Cassel finally has both a good running game/o-line and a good defense to play with like the ones Grbac squandered.

Phobia
03-22-2012, 09:36 AM
people still defend cassel?


holy christ

J Diddy isn't an idiot. I think he's making a case for Cassel's one good season.

Chiefs=Good
03-22-2012, 09:41 AM
If pioli liked tjax, he loves brockers. I think that's the most likely route we will go.

No way. Not enough starts for brockers.