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Direckshun
03-22-2012, 01:54 PM
Just thought I'd approach this from a different angle.

Top 27 players in terms of draft status:

QB Andrew Luck
QB Robert Griffin
QB Ryan Tannehill
OT Matt Kalil
CB Morris Claiborne
RB Trent Richardson
WR Justin Blackmon
OLB Melvin Ingram
OLB Quentin Coples
NT Dontari Poe
OT Riley Reiff
OT Jonathan Martin
DE Michael Brockers
OLB Courtney Upshaw
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Janoris Jenkins
ILB Luke Kuechly
OG David DeCastro
WR Michael Floyd
WR Kendall Wright
C Peter Konz
OG Cody Glenn
DE Devon Still
DE Fletcher Cox
SS Mark Barron
OLB Nick Perry
OLB Whitney Mercilus

Which players will be available at the Chiefs pick?

Not (out): Luck, Griffin, Kalil, Claiborne, Richardson, Blackmon, Ingram

Might be (strike): Coples, Poe, Reiff, Martin, Brockers, Upshaw, Tannehill

Will be: everyone else

Remaining players:

Strike 1's: Coples, Poe, Reiff, Martin, Brockers, Upshaw, Tannehill

All goods: Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, Wright, Konz, Glenn, Still, Cox, Barron, Perry, Mercilus

Does the player fit our system?

No (out): Cox, Coples

Maybe (strike): Poe, Brockers, Glenn, Perry, Konz

Probably/yes: Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, Wright, Still, Barron, Mercilus

Remaining players:

Strike 2's: Poe, Brockers

Strike 1's: Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Tannehill, Konz

All goods: Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Konz, Still, Cox, Barron, Mercilus

Is there a character flag?

Red flag (out): Jenkins, Floyd

Yellow flag (strike): Still, Kirkpatrick

Nope: Poe, Brockers, Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Konz, Barron, Mercilus

Remaining players:

Strike 2's: Poe, Brockers

Strike 1's: Still, Kirkpatrick, Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Konz

All goods: Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Barron, Mercilus

Are they NFL-ready?

Not remotely (out): Poe, Tannehill

Will need serious development (strike): Brockers, Perry, Wright, Mercilus

Ready now: Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and thus out): Brockers

Strike 2's: Perry

Strike 1's: Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Konz

All goods: Kuechly, DeCastro, Barron

Does this player fit a team need?

Not in the least (out): Reiff, Martin

Minor need (strike): Perry, Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Major need: nobody

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and now out): Perry

Strike 2's: Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Konz

Strike 1's: Kuechly, DeCastro, Barron

Is this player a team captain?

No (strike): Wright, Glenn, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz

Yes: Mercilus, Upshaw, Still, Barron

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and now out): Wright, Glenn, Kirkpatrick, Konz

Strike 2's: Mercilus, Upshaw, Still, Kuechly, DeCastro

Strike 1's: Barron

How deep is the draft at this player's position?

Very deep (out): Mercilus, Upshaw, Still

Pretty good (strike): DeCastro

Weak: Kuechly, Konz, Barron

Strike 3's (and now out): DeCastro

Strike 2's: Kuechly, Konz

Strike 1: Barron

Judging by this criteria, Kuechly and Barron are the best "true Pioli" prospects.

With Barron being the most squeaky clean.

InChiefsHell
03-22-2012, 02:01 PM
You need a girlfriend mate. /Captain Jack Sparrow

Trivers
03-22-2012, 02:01 PM
nice logic!

how long did this take you?

Which is your pick?

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 02:04 PM
nice logic!

how long did this take you?

Which is your pick?

If you have to stay at #11 or trade down just a few picks, you take Kuechly.

If you trade down to the high teens or beyond, you take Barron if he's there. Barron is everything this team loves in a prospect.

That is, if those two are my only options.

ChiefMojo
03-22-2012, 02:06 PM
Still doesn't change my opinion that DeCastro and Kuechley are the two safest prospects for us to take that would help immediately.

Barron would be fine if we trade down a fair amount in the first but safety is pretty deep in this class. The other issue with Barron is he is a strong safety... Eric Berry's position.

ChiefaRoo
03-22-2012, 02:09 PM
Just thought I'd approach this from a different angle.

Top 27 players in terms of draft status:

QB Andrew Luck
QB Robert Griffin
QB Ryan Tannehill
OT Matt Kalil
CB Morris Claiborne
RB Trent Richardson
WR Justin Blackmon
OLB Melvin Ingram
OLB Quentin Coples
NT Dontari Poe
OT Riley Reiff
OT Jonathan Martin
DE Michael Brockers
OLB Courtney Upshaw
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Janoris Jenkins
ILB Luke Kuechly
OG David DeCastro
WR Michael Floyd
WR Kendall Wright
C Peter Konz
OG Cody Glenn
DE Devon Still
DE Fletcher Cox
SS Mark Barron
OLB Nick Perry
OLB Whitney Mercilus

Which players will be available at the Chiefs pick?

Not (out): Luck, Griffin, Kalil, Claiborne, Richardson, Blackmon, Ingram

Might be (strike): Coples, Poe, Reiff, Martin, Brockers, Upshaw, Tannehill

Will be: everyone else

Remaining players:

Strike 1's: Coples, Poe, Reiff, Martin, Brockers, Upshaw, Tannehill

All goods: Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, Wright, Konz, Glenn, Still, Cox, Barron, Perry, Mercilus

Does the player fit our system?

No (out): Cox, Coples

Maybe (strike): Poe, Brockers, Glenn, Perry

Probably/yes: Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, Wright, Konz, Still, Barron, Mercilus

Remaining players:

Strike 2's: Poe, Brockers

Strike 1's: Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Tannehill

All goods: Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, Wright, Konz, Still, Cox, Barron, Mercilus

Is there a character flag?

Red flag (out): Jenkins, Floyd

Yellow flag (strike): Still, Kirkpatrick

Nope: Poe, Brockers, Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Konz, Barron, Mercilus

Remaining players:

Strike 2's: Poe, Brockers

Strike 1's: Still, Kirkpatrick, Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw

All goods: Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Konz, Barron, Mercilus

Are they NFL-ready?

Not remotely (out): Poe, Tannehill

Will need serious development (strike): Brockers, Perry, Wright, Mercilus

Ready now: Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and thus out): Brockers

Strike 2's: Perry

Strike 1's: Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick

All goods: Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Does this player fit a team need?

Not in the least (out): Reiff, Martin

Minor need (strike): Perry, Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Major need: nobody

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and now out): Perry

Strike 2's: Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick

Strike 1's: Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Is this player a team captain?

No (strike): Wright, Glenn, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz

Yes: Mercilus, Upshaw, Still, Barron

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and now out): Wright, Glenn, Kirkpatrick

Strike 2's: Mercilus, Upshaw, Still, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz

Strike 1's: Barron

How deep is the draft at this player's position?

Very deep (out): Mercilus, Upshaw, Still

Pretty good (strike): DeCastro

Weak: Kuechly, Konz, Barron

Strike 3's (and now out): DeCastro

Strike 2's: Kuechly, Konz

Strike 1: Barron

Judging by this criteria, Kuechly, Konz, and Barron are the best "true Pioli" prospects.

This is the smartest thing you've ever posted. I didn't think you had it in you judging from your insane DC posts ;)

Good stuff!

Hoover
03-22-2012, 02:11 PM
DeCastro and Kuechley are the two safest prospects - BINGO

Exoter175
03-22-2012, 02:12 PM
Still doesn't change my opinion that DeCastro and Kuechley are the two safest prospects for us to take that would help immediately.

Barron would be fine if we trade down a fair amount in the first but safety is pretty deep in this class. The other issue with Barron is he is a strong safety... Eric Berry's position.

But when you compare the two, the choice is obvious, DeCastro.

And I say that with disagreement to one point on this "selection", which is team needs.

Guard is a HUGE team need, our o-line was swiss cheese last year. Drafting a potential pro bowl caliber guard with the 11th pick int he draft, despite being a reach, is the safest pick between the two of them because a starting Right Guard is the bigger of the two needs and a legitimate top 2 or top 3 needs we have for this team. Biggest need being a boat anchor of a nose tackle.

Hoover
03-22-2012, 02:12 PM
and now do this with every team and create a mock draft

Hoover
03-22-2012, 02:12 PM
Oline is a bigger need because we don't have any depth.

Bowser
03-22-2012, 02:13 PM
You count cards when playing blackjack, don't you?

ChiefMojo
03-22-2012, 02:16 PM
I know it has been the stink of some to draft DeCastro at #11 due to drafting a OG to high but I don't care. You take the best possible prospect that fits your needs and will help you the quickest.

Both DeCastro and Kuechley are upgrades at OG/ILB. They are prospects that would make a direct impact to our ball club immediately. DeCastro really improves our run game and Kuechley really improves our run-defense.

tyton75
03-22-2012, 02:18 PM
I wouldn't scream at the DeCastro pick, but I really think we could use an upgrade at ILB.

Belcher did "ok" but I really feel he is punching above his weight (talent-wise)


Awesome post by the way!

Saul Good
03-22-2012, 02:21 PM
Ingram and/or Richardson could still be there.

Exoter175
03-22-2012, 02:22 PM
I know it has been the stink of some to draft DeCastro at #11 due to drafting a OG to high but I don't care. You take the best possible prospect that fits your needs and will help you the quickest.

Both DeCastro and Kuechley are upgrades at OG/ILB. They are prospects that would make a direct impact to our ball club immediately. DeCastro really improves our run game and Kuechley really improves our run-defense.

This is where I slightly disagree. Who is Kuechley upgrading? Belcher?

Obviously OLB isn't a problem with Hali, Houston, Sheffield, and Studebaker.

ILB though? DJ, Belcher, Greenwood at the moment?

I can understand the depth, but I honestly think Belcher is pretty good against the running game and he's made some pretty big plays. He doesn't have super tremendous upside, but I don't see Kuechley dethroning Belcher immediately, and thus wasting a first round pick on a guy who "could" start, versus a guy who "WILL" start.

nychief
03-22-2012, 02:23 PM
Science!!!!

Dayze
03-22-2012, 02:25 PM
can you email this to Pioli please.

nicely done.

ForeverChiefs58
03-22-2012, 02:38 PM
Doesn't Barron have injury issues?

Hoover
03-22-2012, 02:39 PM
double hernia

ForeverChiefs58
03-22-2012, 02:42 PM
Mark Barron, SS, Alabama

The Good: Barron is the most NFL-ready safety in the draft class.

The Bad:
"...He was unable to work out at the Combine after having double hernia surgery following the end of the season. The biggest negative with Barron's draft stock is durability concerns. After all, he also missed time in each of the last two seasons, with a pectoral tear in 2010, and with torn rib cartilage in 2011. Teams are going to want to examine his health in the lead up to the draft. "

The Ugly: Jon McGraw, a guy named Sabby

Rain Man
03-22-2012, 02:44 PM
Interesting work.

Rain Man
03-22-2012, 02:45 PM
Found it. From Walterfootball.com:

Mark Barron, SS, Alabama

"...He was unable to work out at the Combine after having double hernia surgery following the end of the season. The biggest negative with Barron's draft stock is durability concerns. After all, he also missed time in each of the last two seasons, with a pectoral tear in 2010, and with torn rib cartilage in 2011. Teams are going to want to examine his health in the lead up to the draft. "


Maybe Direckshun should add a durability category. And it also seems like there should be some positional value thought in this, whether using standard measures or Pioli's history of value. Nice work overall, though.

L.A. Chieffan
03-22-2012, 02:51 PM
Right now our biggest need is dt AND Poe may be the BPA. not that hard to figure out.

Simplicity
03-22-2012, 02:52 PM
Dre Kirkpatrick.

the Talking Can
03-22-2012, 02:56 PM
ha...nice break down

i think it gets why, imo, pioli's first move is to try and trade down...there is no knock-out value at #11

if the rumor is true about last year - trading up for a center - then i think trading down and grabbing one is the most likely (assuming they like hudson at guard, i have no idea)

i like Barron a lot (ditto for anyone on bama's D)...but he's Berry's position as I understand it

ChiefMojo
03-22-2012, 02:57 PM
DeCastro is working out as a center for Andrew Luck's pro day. He actually looks very natural doing it. DeCastro is one of those interior lineman that can play all three positions well probably... added bonus.

Bowser
03-22-2012, 02:58 PM
ha...nice break down

i think it gets why, imo, pioli's first move is to try and trade down...there is no knock-out value at #11

if the rumor is true about last year - trading up for a center - then i think trading down and grabbing one is the most likely (assuming they like hudson at guard, i have no idea)

i like Barron a lot (ditto for anyone on bama's D)...but he's Berry's position as I understand it

Yep. I've been saying it all along - sitting at 11 for this team is no man's land. I wouldn't be opposed to any number of the guys D listed, but if we are thinking of value, thne move down 8 or ten spots and take Konz, plus profit from extra picks.

Mr. Laz
03-22-2012, 03:01 PM
Not (out): Luck, Griffin, Kalil, Claiborne, Richardson, Blackmon, Ingram

Luck,Griffin,Kalil,Blackmon out ... rest are up for debate

patteeu
03-22-2012, 03:01 PM
Maybe Direckshun should add a durability category. And it also seems like there should be some positional value thought in this, whether using standard measures or Pioli's history of value. Nice work overall, though.

I he adds too many dimensions to this analysis, they're all going to strike out. I agree that it's nice work though.

SNR
03-22-2012, 03:02 PM
Right now our biggest need is dt AND Poe may be the BPA. not that hard to figure out.Poe would definitely be the BPA* if he fell to us.





*Biggest Pieceofshit Available

Mr. Laz
03-22-2012, 03:03 PM
Yep. I've been saying it all along - sitting at 11 for this team is no man's land. I wouldn't be opposed to any number of the guys D listed, but if we are thinking of value, thne move down 8 or ten spots and take Konz, plus profit from extra picks.
aren't we always sitting in no man's land ...

If we have the 3rd there isn't anyone worth a shit
If we have the 14th pick then the 3rd pick is valuable as hell

:sulk:

ChiefaRoo
03-22-2012, 03:04 PM
Poe would definitely be the BPA* if he fell to us.





*Biggest Pieceofshit Available

Would he be the second coming of Dan Saleaumua or of that spit Hood hood guy Vermeil took?

the Talking Can
03-22-2012, 03:21 PM
aren't we always sitting in no man's land ...

If we have the 3rd there isn't anyone worth a shit
If we have the 14th pick then the 3rd pick is valuable as hell

:sulk:

with the exception of Berry, this is true

Exoter175
03-22-2012, 03:21 PM
Yep. I've been saying it all along - sitting at 11 for this team is no man's land. I wouldn't be opposed to any number of the guys D listed, but if we are thinking of value, thne move down 8 or ten spots and take Konz, plus profit from extra picks.

I disagree with that slightly. Not because of the lack of emphatic punch that the 11th selection has, but where it puts us in the first 3 rounds in terms of talent. We're going to have a SOLID draft this year. It won't look pretty because it'll likely lack skill position players, but the depth and security is going to be immense in this draft.

I'd LOVE to move in the draft to say, the 17th or 18th spot, perhaps even to the low 20's and pickup an additional pick or two. I loved it more when we didn't have a RT though because I felt like a guy like Martin might slide into the late teens or early 20's. Now, I'm not so sure, and I'm not sold that there is a solid DT/NT in that pick range for us.

SNR
03-22-2012, 03:35 PM
Would he be the second coming of Dan Saleaumua or of that spit Hood hood guy Vermeil took?You'll have to be more specific. Which piece of shit Vermeil guy are you talking about?

Eric Downing
Terdell Sands (ended up being the best DT he ever drafted)
Ryan Sims
Eddie Freeman
Montique Sharpe
Junior Siavii

Der Flöprer
03-22-2012, 03:52 PM
You've made some pretty cool draft threads D, this may be your best one yet as far as research and work involved goes. I enjoyed reading it.

jspchief
03-22-2012, 07:57 PM
Barron is a SS every bit as much as Berry is. Don't hate the pick, but its a little higher than I'd take him, and its not an ideal fit by any stretch.

Keuchly is somewhere between Belcher and DJ, probably closer to DJ. He'll be better against the pass than Belcher, and show good instincts to the ball, but may not have the size to take on bigger backs and NFL linemen like Belcher can.

I actually like the idea of taking Kuechly. He may not crack the starting lineup right away, but he'll push both Belcher and DJ. With our Dline, we can probably afford to trade Belchers size for Kuechly's athleticism,or at worst we have someone in the wings to replace DJ when declines. My biggest issue is taking a 3-4 ILB that early. Not ideal value.

philfree
03-22-2012, 08:12 PM
Barron is a SS every bit as much as Berry is. Don't hate the pick, but its a little higher than I'd take him, and its not an ideal fit by any stretch.

Keuchly is somewhere between Belcher and DJ, probably closer to DJ. He'll be better against the pass than Belcher, and show good instincts to the ball, but may not have the size to take on bigger backs and NFL linemen like Belcher can.

I actually like the idea of taking Kuechly. He may not crack the starting lineup right away, but he'll push both Belcher and DJ. With our Dline, we can probably afford to trade Belchers size for Kuechly's athleticism,or at worst we have someone in the wings to replace DJ when declines. My biggest issue is taking a 3-4 ILB that early. Not ideal value.

What's funny is that Belcher is listed on the roster at 228lbs.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 08:16 PM
I don't see how whether or not a player "might be" available is a strike either?

How do Brockers and Perry "maybe" fit our system? And how is a 5-tech not a serious need since we clearly will not resign Dorsey next year? How can pass-rusher ever be a position that is a minor need?

These are questions I think need serious addressing in your model. It is a neat concept and clearly took a lot of time. Bravo.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:19 PM
Still doesn't change my opinion that DeCastro and Kuechley are the two safest prospects for us to take that would help immediately.

Barron would be fine if we trade down a fair amount in the first but safety is pretty deep in this class. The other issue with Barron is he is a strong safety... Eric Berry's position.

Safety is actually pretty shitty this year. One of the worst positions.

Berry can play free safety. Really, really well.

Keep in mind, he was projected to be the next Ed Reed.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:22 PM
DeCastro and Kuechley are the two safest prospects - BINGO

Safety isn't necessarily all Pioli is looking for.

He's looking for an elevator of play on the field, and in the locker room.

Neither Kuechly or DeCastro were captains in college. And neither one of them fill pressing needs for this team, so passing on them is forgivable, in Pioli's eyes.

And as far as DeCastro is concerned, the draft is deep enough at guard for Pioli to wait it out.

Just highlighting what I've looked at.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:23 PM
But when you compare the two, the choice is obvious, DeCastro.

And I say that with disagreement to one point on this "selection", which is team needs.

Guard is a HUGE team need, our o-line was swiss cheese last year. Drafting a potential pro bowl caliber guard with the 11th pick int he draft, despite being a reach, is the safest pick between the two of them because a starting Right Guard is the bigger of the two needs and a legitimate top 2 or top 3 needs we have for this team. Biggest need being a boat anchor of a nose tackle.

Fair point.

But Pioli probably disagrees. Lilja's passable.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:23 PM
Oline is a bigger need because we don't have any depth.

OL depth is not worth a first round pick.

tmw4h5
03-22-2012, 08:25 PM
Take Kuechly with the 11th.

I also think we should pick up Burfict in the 6th or 7th if available.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:28 PM
I know it has been the stink of some to draft DeCastro at #11 due to drafting a OG to high but I don't care. You take the best possible prospect that fits your needs and will help you the quickest.

Both DeCastro and Kuechley are upgrades at OG/ILB. They are prospects that would make a direct impact to our ball club immediately. DeCastro really improves our run game and Kuechley really improves our run-defense.

Kuechly doesn't really improve our run defense. He's probably on par with Belcher.

He'd dramatically improve our pass defense, however, but it's not clear how much.

The Chiefs go nickel in passing situations, and the ILB position you're suggesting Kuechly play would be substituted off the field and replaced by a corner.

Kuechly is not going to be a Chief.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:29 PM
double hernia

Hernia doesn't matter. Once hernia is surgically repaired, it's fine. It's not a recurring thing.

His tears are more worrisome, but that's why I think Barron's really only worth the effort later in the first round.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 08:30 PM
Kuechly doesn't really improve our run defense. He's probably on par with Belcher.

He'd dramatically improve our pass defense, however, but it's not clear how much.

The Chiefs go nickel in passing situations, and the ILB position you're suggesting Kuechly play would be substituted off the field and replaced by a corner.

Kuechly is not going to be a Chief.

I don't think Kuechly improves our pass defense that much because he is not going to be on the field in passing situations. Especially not with Berry back. I think we had to mask some of our deficiencies at safety by asking Belcher to do some pass coverage in order to protect against the big play.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:31 PM
Maybe Direckshun should add a durability category. And it also seems like there should be some positional value thought in this, whether using standard measures or Pioli's history of value. Nice work overall, though.

If I added a durability category, as well as a positional value category, you know what would happen?

Kuechly would get a strike (positional value), and Barron would get a strike (durability).

Kuechly would therefore have three strikes.

Barron would be the sole remainer, with two.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:32 PM
Right now our biggest need is dt AND Poe may be the BPA. not that hard to figure out.

Poe would be BPA at our pick in the second round.

He's Ryan Sims.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:34 PM
Dre Kirkpatrick.

Interesting idea....

Only problems would be his character concerns, his position isn't that bad on this team, and he wasn't a captain.

Like a lot of other players on this list, he's a good prospect, but he doesn't scream "Pioli selection."

I think after dealing with Johnny Baldwin last year, Pioli wants a squeaky clean guy.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:35 PM
ha...nice break down

i think it gets why, imo, pioli's first move is to try and trade down...there is no knock-out value at #11

if the rumor is true about last year - trading up for a center - then i think trading down and grabbing one is the most likely (assuming they like hudson at guard, i have no idea)

i like Barron a lot (ditto for anyone on bama's D)...but he's Berry's position as I understand it

Barron is, and he isn't.

Berry plays strong, but he could very easily play free. He projected as such in the draft, and Barron has the size that Crennel loves at the position.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:35 PM
DeCastro is working out as a center for Andrew Luck's pro day. He actually looks very natural doing it. DeCastro is one of those interior lineman that can play all three positions well probably... added bonus.

Hudson will play center before DeCastro.

Chocolate Hog
03-22-2012, 08:36 PM
The Chiefs will pick Luke Kulehcy and this place will be pissed but he's a great player.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:37 PM
Luck,Griffin,Kalil,Blackmon out ... rest are up for debate

Claiborne's going to fall??

Ooookaaaaayyyyyyy...

hometeam
03-22-2012, 08:37 PM
I like this post.

I also like Kuechly at 11 if we dont trade back.

Chocolate Hog
03-22-2012, 08:40 PM
Interesting idea....

Only problems would be his character concerns, his position isn't that bad on this team, and he wasn't a captain.

Like a lot of other players on this list, he's a good prospect, but he doesn't scream "Pioli selection."

I think after dealing with Johnny Baldwin last year, Pioli wants a squeaky clean guy.

No Kirkpatricks flaw is he's Kareem Jackson. He'll get beat like a drum in the NFL. Very overrated prospect.

the Talking Can
03-22-2012, 08:42 PM
Barron is, and he isn't.

Berry plays strong, but he could very easily play free. He projected as such in the draft, and Barron has the size that Crennel loves at the position.


i'm not against it....but i'd be hard pressed to monkey with the berry i saw as a rookie...his play against the run was incredible, he had a 6th sense about navigating traffic near the line of scrimmage

he was the second best player on our defense by the end of the year and in the playoff game

Bewbies
03-22-2012, 08:43 PM
Nobody studies the draft like Mr Shun. Good work, even though I hope we go a different direction.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:45 PM
I don't see how whether or not a player "might be" available is a strike either?

How do Brockers and Perry "maybe" fit our system? And how is a 5-tech not a serious need since we clearly will not resign Dorsey next year? How can pass-rusher ever be a position that is a minor need?

These are questions I think need serious addressing in your model. It is a neat concept and clearly took a lot of time. Bravo.

1. Fair point.

2. Brockers is not what we're looking for in a DE. He's a nose in a 4-3. And Perry's talents are friendlier to smaller, faster defenses than the two-gapping 3-4.

3. It's not a serious need because we're currently three-deep. Bailey flashed all year last year.

4. Passrusher is not a minor need necessarily, but a third passrusher isn't going to be taking too many snaps, and Hali and Houston are locked in for the next few years as starters.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:47 PM
I don't think Kuechly improves our pass defense that much because he is not going to be on the field in passing situations. Especially not with Berry back. I think we had to mask some of our deficiencies at safety by asking Belcher to do some pass coverage in order to protect against the big play.

I think that's a smart observation.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:48 PM
No Kirkpatricks flaw is he's Kareem Jackson. He'll get beat like a drum in the NFL. Very overrated prospect.

How do you figure?

I think he's a guy you can put in, now, on the other team's #1 WR, give him some safety help, and put Flowers on the island on the other side, and we'll be fine.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 08:53 PM
i'm not against it....but i'd be hard pressed to monkey with the berry i saw as a rookie...his play against the run was incredible, he had a 6th sense about navigating traffic near the line of scrimmage

he was the second best player on our defense by the end of the year and in the playoff game

Fair point.

Nobody studies the draft like Mr Shun.

Not even close to being true, but I appreciate it.

Chief_For_Life58
03-22-2012, 08:57 PM
Would he be the second coming of Dan Saleaumua or of that spit Hood hood guy Vermeil took?

since dan the samoan nightmare is in my avatar i feel like i can speak on this. Poe will never be sale. never compare them again.

Decastro is our best pick.

Did anyone see how beastly fleener looked at stanfords pro day today? dang

Chocolate Hog
03-22-2012, 08:59 PM
How do you figure?

I think he's a guy you can put in, now, on the other team's #1 WR, give him some safety help, and put Flowers on the island on the other side, and we'll be fine.

He's aggressive but almost too aggressive he gets burned except in college he was able to make up for it with his speed. It's much different in the NFL.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 09:00 PM
I've said it before, but I will reiterate it here: If Pioli liked TJax, he must LOVE Brockers.

Step 1: Trade 11 for 19 (Through Bears, say trading up to snag Coples before the Hawks do) and a first next year.
Step 2: Draft Brockers
Step 3: Deal Dorsey to whomever you can for whatever you can get. Hell, maybe the Bears are interested in him too.
Step 4: Complete draft as follows:
2.12 Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
3.11 Brandon Taylor, FS, LSU
4.12 David Molk, C, Michigan
5.11 Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
6.12 Drake Dunsmore, FB/TE, Northwestern
7.11 Mark Asper, OT/OG, Oregon
7.31 Elvis Aklpla, WR, Montana State

Chocolate Hog
03-22-2012, 09:01 PM
Why would we do that? Dorsey and Jackson were 2 of the best against the run all the Chiefs need is a NT.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 09:03 PM
1. Fair point.

2. Brockers is not what we're looking for in a DE. He's a nose in a 4-3. And Perry's talents are friendlier to smaller, faster defenses than the two-gapping 3-4.

3. It's not a serious need because we're currently three-deep. Bailey flashed all year last year.

4. Passrusher is not a minor need necessarily, but a third passrusher isn't going to be taking too many snaps, and Hali and Houston are locked in for the next few years as starters.
I will continue to disagree on #2. With respect to number 3, I agree that we are three deep, but I view Bailey as situational and Dorsey as "gone after this year anyway."

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 09:04 PM
Why would we do that? Dorsey and Jackson were 2 of the best against the run all the Chiefs need is a NT.

We won't pay Dorsey like he needs to be paid next year.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 09:07 PM
I've said it before, but I will reiterate it here: If Pioli liked TJax, he must LOVE Brockers.

Meh.

Pioli liked Ty Warren and Richard Seymore. TJax is a poor man's version of both.

And Brockers is a one-year wonder.

Step 1: Trade 11 for 19 (Through Bears, say trading up to snag Coples before the Hawks do) and a first next year.
Step 2: Draft Brockers
Step 3: Deal Dorsey to whomever you can for whatever you can get. Hell, maybe the Bears are interested in him too.
Step 4: Complete draft as follows:
2.12 Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
3.11 Brandon Taylor, FS, LSU
4.12 David Molk, C, Michigan
5.11 Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
6.12 Drake Dunsmore, FB/TE, Northwestern
7.11 Mark Asper, OT/OG, Oregon
7.31 Elvis Aklpla, WR, Montana State

Not bad.

Not a big fan of Dunsmore, but eh. It's a 6th rounder.

angelo
03-22-2012, 09:07 PM
Safety is actually pretty shitty this year. One of the worst positions.

Berry can play free safety. Really, really well.

Keep in mind, he was projected to be the next Ed Reed.

I agree it would be great for our backfield. Berry has ferocious closing speed and the ability to lay any running back out that gets to the second level. He would also be able to generate picks.
Did he play corner once or twice in college?

Ang

Saccopoo
03-22-2012, 09:08 PM
Brockers is a beast.

6'5", 322 lbs. and pretty darn lean at that weight. He's got excellent leverage, a strong base and plays hard.

He's a lot closer to being an NFL training camp and weight room away from 350 lbs. and your future nose tackle than a lot of you think.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 09:14 PM
I will continue to disagree on #2. With respect to number 3, I agree that we are three deep, but I view Bailey as situational and Dorsey as "gone after this year anyway."

Fair point.

Don't like Brockers, though. We need more versatile DEs than the one-dimensional Dorsey and Jackson.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 09:15 PM
I agree it would be great for our backfield. Berry has ferocious closing speed and the ability to lay any running back out that gets to the second level. He would also be able to generate picks.
Did he play corner once or twice in college?

Ang

He did.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 09:16 PM
Fair point.

Don't like Brockers, though. We need more versatile DEs than the one-dimensional Dorsey and Jackson.

I think, with coaching, Brockers ceiling is actually higher than TJax ceiling. He could push the pocket in passing scenarios, IMO.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 09:17 PM
Brockers is a beast.

6'5", 322 lbs. and pretty darn lean at that weight. He's got excellent leverage, a strong base and plays hard.

He's a lot closer to being an NFL training camp and weight room away from 350 lbs. and your future nose tackle than a lot of you think.

He doesn't look beastly to me. He's one dimensional, and he's only flashed for a single year.

Stop pushing the Brockers-to-nose bullshit. If he's playing nose for anybody, it sure ain't a two-gapping three four.

Bewbies
03-22-2012, 09:18 PM
If Brockers was picked to be a NT I think I could be on board. As a DE not so much.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 09:20 PM
I think, with coaching, Brockers ceiling is actually higher than TJax ceiling. He could push the pocket in passing scenarios, IMO.

I'd like to see any tape where he did.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 09:21 PM
If Brockers was picked to be a NT I think I could be on board. As a DE not so much.

There is just absolutely no way we're playing him at nose in our defense.

God. We might as well just pluck Poe.

Baby Lee
03-22-2012, 09:23 PM
I wouldn't scream at the DeCastro pick, but I really think we could use an upgrade at ILB.

Belcher did "ok" but I really feel he is punching above his weight (talent-wise)


Awesome post by the way!

You're Obama's speechwriter, aren't you?

Mr. Laz
03-22-2012, 09:24 PM
Claiborne's going to fall??

Ooookaaaaayyyyyyy...
I said up for debate ... he is having wrist surgery.

probably not but you never know what will happen

CaliforniaChief
03-22-2012, 09:26 PM
I would leak rumors every day about how badly the Seahawks hope DeCastro is available when they pick at 12. In particular, drop those rumors in Dallas where they BADLY hope he falls to them at 14. Then try and get the Cowboys to move up ahead of Seattle. We drop down 3 spots and pick up a 3rd round pick.

The key to trading down lies in finding Seattle's greatest need and convincing a team with a similar need to move up.

ChiefMojo
03-22-2012, 09:29 PM
I wouldn't be down for Brockers as a NT but more so as a 5-Tech DE (so I'm the opposite). He lacks explosion and is sorta raw. He has very good strength and feet for a DT.

The Washington NT is a true NT but isn't the athlete that either Brockers or Poe is. Neither Brockers or Poe are true NT's imo. Poe is a Ngata clone but with less production.

Imo, this is not a good draft for NT's.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 09:39 PM
I'd like to see any tape where he did.

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It seems like he took a while to get going against Georgia in the SEC championship. Here is my summary of particularly good plays:
Michael Brockers vs Georgia 2011
1:45 Destroys pocket
2:45 Plays a two-gap and neutralizes the running play
3:05 gets off double team while moving pocket backwards
3:30 gets off double team + chip block and breaks up running play
3:40 plays a two-gap and neutralizes the runnign play
3:48 eats a double team and stuffs running hole
4:30 pushes pocket back several yards on a triple team (also closes throwing lane by getting his hands up)
5:08 pushes pocket back several yards
5:15 pushes pocket back several yards, deflects pass

For another example: six seconds into this video.
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Direckshun
03-22-2012, 09:48 PM
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It seems like he took a while to get going against Georgia in the SEC championship. Here is my summary of particularly good plays:
Michael Brockers vs Georgia 2011
1:45 Destroys pocket
2:45 Plays a two-gap and neutralizes the running play
3:05 gets off double team while moving pocket backwards
3:30 gets off double team + chip block and breaks up running play
3:40 plays a two-gap and neutralizes the runnign play
3:48 eats a double team and stuffs running hole
4:30 pushes pocket back several yards on a triple team (also closes throwing lane by getting his hands up)
5:08 pushes pocket back several yards
5:15 pushes pocket back several yards, deflects pass

Man, that is some iffy tape.

It doesn't get any better against Alabama, the best team he faced all year.

It gets even worse in 2010. When he didn't even exist on the national radar.

I like Brockers. He's got a lot of work ahead of him, though. We might as well keep Dorsey, though, if we're interested in this guy.

jspchief
03-22-2012, 09:53 PM
Kuechly doesn't really improve our run defense. He's probably on par with Belcher.

He'd dramatically improve our pass defense, however, but it's not clear how much.

The Chiefs go nickel in passing situations, and the ILB position you're suggesting Kuechly play would be substituted off the field and replaced by a corner.

Kuechly is not going to be a Chief.We go nickel with Belcher.

Kuechly is a 3 down backer. He wouldn't have to come off the field, although KC might prefer nickel regardless.

I think in terms of nose for the ball, Kuechly probably beats out Belcher. His football instincts/smarts are a strong point.

He's a better fit for the team than Barron, IMO. Still not ideal, but honestly no one is at #11.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 09:56 PM
Man, that is some iffy tape.

It doesn't get any better against Alabama, the best team he faced all year.

It gets even worse in 2010. When he didn't even exist on the national radar.

I like Brockers. He's got a lot of work ahead of him, though. We might as well keep Dorsey, though, if we're interested in this guy.

I just grabbed the first game at hand. He shows flashes. He probably should have stayed another year or two. However, he is far better built for the position than Dorsey and will be cheaper for the next four years than Dorsey will.

Bewbies
03-22-2012, 09:57 PM
I just grabbed the first game at hand. He shows flashes. He probably should have stayed another year or two. However, he is far better built for the position than Dorsey and will be cheaper for the next four years than Dorsey will.

Dorsey and TJ will be getting pay cuts when the sign their second contracts. Eric Berry will too.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 09:58 PM
Dorsey and TJ will be getting pay cuts when the sign their second contracts. Eric Berry will too.

Dorsey is only 5MM per year currently. However, he is worth more to a 4-3 team than that, IMO.

jspchief
03-22-2012, 10:03 PM
Wouldn't Barron get a strike for character? He was arrested wasn't he?

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 10:10 PM
Wouldn't Barron get a strike for character? He was arrested wasn't he?

Exactly a year ago, actually.

Not all arrests are created equal... This one was hindering a police investigation of somebody else.

$500 bond, posted within an hour.

I would say that is a character concern... perhaps he should have gotten a strike for that in the OP.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 10:13 PM
We go nickel with Belcher.

Kuechly is a 3 down backer. He wouldn't have to come off the field, although KC might prefer nickel regardless.

I think in terms of nose for the ball, Kuechly probably beats out Belcher. His football instincts/smarts are a strong point.

He's a better fit for the team than Barron, IMO. Still not ideal, but honestly no one is at #11.

There's really no point in building a two-gapping DL that is going to absorb blockers if you don't bring in a thumper at LB to raid the line of scrimmage.

We already have the range-y all purpose guy in DJ. Kuechly does not fit what this team wants in any way at the other position.

I don't know... it's hard to figure out.

The Chiefs are going to, essentially, have to pick somebody that will make no sense.

The only pick that makes sense to me is DeCastro. And even then, you're unseating a veteran who isn't even playing poorly. He's just not playing great.

KCDC
03-22-2012, 10:16 PM
Nice job Direckshun.

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 10:18 PM
I've said it before, but I will reiterate it here: If Pioli liked TJax, he must LOVE Brockers.

Step 1: Trade 11 for 19 (Through Bears, say trading up to snag Coples before the Hawks do) and a first next year.
Step 2: Draft Brockers
Step 3: Deal Dorsey to whomever you can for whatever you can get. Hell, maybe the Bears are interested in him too.
Step 4: Complete draft as follows:
2.12 Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
3.11 Brandon Taylor, FS, LSU
4.12 David Molk, C, Michigan
5.11 Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
6.12 Drake Dunsmore, FB/TE, Northwestern
7.11 Mark Asper, OT/OG, Oregon
7.31 Elvis Aklpla, WR, Montana State

As a side-bar of this plan - we have two firsts next year to snag an Aaron Murray or Tyler Bray or Tyler Wilson with. (Depending on who all comes out, of course.) Plus some ammunition from moving Dorsey. Edit: if nothing else, this thread serves as a great late-night bullshit thread!

Bewbies
03-22-2012, 10:21 PM
I watch a lot of Georgia football and I'm not sure Aaron Murray is the guy people around here think he is.

When he's on, which isn't often, he's lights out. When he's off, which is about 1/2 the time, he's worse than Cassel. He is young, so hopefully he continues to improve...

Nightfyre
03-22-2012, 10:23 PM
I watch a lot of Georgia football and I'm not sure Aaron Murray is the guy people around here think he is.

When he's on, which isn't often, he's lights out. When he's off, which is about 1/2 the time, he's worse than Cassel. He is young, so hopefully he continues to improve...

The guy is just a rs sophomore and has tools. :shrug: This year will certainly be a defining year.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 10:26 PM
Edit: if nothing else, this thread serves as a great late-night bullshit thread!

Bingo.

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 10:27 PM
I watch a lot of Georgia football and I'm not sure Aaron Murray is the guy people around here think he is.

When he's on, which isn't often, he's lights out. When he's off, which is about 1/2 the time, he's worse than Cassel. He is young, so hopefully he continues to improve...

Yup, and

The guy is just a rs sophomore and has tools. :shrug: This year will certainly be a defining year.

yup.

Bump
03-22-2012, 10:35 PM
you're gonna look like a genius if we draft Barron

Direckshun
03-22-2012, 10:37 PM
you're gonna look like a genius if we draft Barron

HA.

I'd need that picture of Moses that GoChiefs uses.

Bewbies
03-22-2012, 10:39 PM
The guy is just a rs sophomore and has tools. :shrug: This year will certainly be a defining year.

His problem is accuracy. He's streaky as hell. Last year against Florida he put up one of the worst performances I've ever seen.

Him and Bray are both worth watching though big time.

ILWarpaint
03-22-2012, 10:50 PM
I believe our run game is especially important due to the quality (or the lack there of) our QB. Gonna have to run the ball alot to keep Manning/Rivers on the sideline. I hope DeCastro is the pick.

Chocolate Hog
03-22-2012, 10:55 PM
I'm cool with Kuechly he looks like a better Ted Bruschi. I think people on here overrate Belcher.

Simply Red
03-22-2012, 10:58 PM
Just thought I'd approach this from a different angle.

Top 27 players in terms of draft status:

QB Andrew Luck
QB Robert Griffin
QB Ryan Tannehill
OT Matt Kalil
CB Morris Claiborne
RB Trent Richardson
WR Justin Blackmon
OLB Melvin Ingram
OLB Quentin Coples
NT Dontari Poe
OT Riley Reiff
OT Jonathan Martin
DE Michael Brockers
OLB Courtney Upshaw
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB Janoris Jenkins
ILB Luke Kuechly
OG David DeCastro
WR Michael Floyd
WR Kendall Wright
C Peter Konz
OG Cody Glenn
DE Devon Still
DE Fletcher Cox
SS Mark Barron
OLB Nick Perry
OLB Whitney Mercilus

Which players will be available at the Chiefs pick?

Not (out): Luck, Griffin, Kalil, Claiborne, Richardson, Blackmon, Ingram

Might be (strike): Coples, Poe, Reiff, Martin, Brockers, Upshaw, Tannehill

Will be: everyone else

Remaining players:

Strike 1's: Coples, Poe, Reiff, Martin, Brockers, Upshaw, Tannehill

All goods: Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, Wright, Konz, Glenn, Still, Cox, Barron, Perry, Mercilus

Does the player fit our system?

No (out): Cox, Coples

Maybe (strike): Poe, Brockers, Glenn, Perry, Konz

Probably/yes: Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, Wright, Still, Barron, Mercilus

Remaining players:

Strike 2's: Poe, Brockers

Strike 1's: Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Tannehill, Konz

All goods: Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Konz, Still, Cox, Barron, Mercilus

Is there a character flag?

Red flag (out): Jenkins, Floyd

Yellow flag (strike): Still, Kirkpatrick

Nope: Poe, Brockers, Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Konz, Barron, Mercilus

Remaining players:

Strike 2's: Poe, Brockers

Strike 1's: Still, Kirkpatrick, Glenn, Perry, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Konz

All goods: Kuechly, DeCastro, Wright, Barron, Mercilus

Are they NFL-ready?

Not remotely (out): Poe, Tannehill

Will need serious development (strike): Brockers, Perry, Wright, Mercilus

Ready now: Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and thus out): Brockers

Strike 2's: Perry

Strike 1's: Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Reiff, Martin, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Konz

All goods: Kuechly, DeCastro, Barron

Does this player fit a team need?

Not in the least (out): Reiff, Martin

Minor need (strike): Perry, Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz, Barron

Major need: nobody

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and now out): Perry

Strike 2's: Wright, Mercilus, Glenn, Upshaw, Still, Kirkpatrick, Konz

Strike 1's: Kuechly, DeCastro, Barron

Is this player a team captain?

No (strike): Wright, Glenn, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, DeCastro, Konz

Yes: Mercilus, Upshaw, Still, Barron

Remaining players:

Strike 3's (and now out): Wright, Glenn, Kirkpatrick, Konz

Strike 2's: Mercilus, Upshaw, Still, Kuechly, DeCastro

Strike 1's: Barron

How deep is the draft at this player's position?

Very deep (out): Mercilus, Upshaw, Still

Pretty good (strike): DeCastro

Weak: Kuechly, Konz, Barron

Strike 3's (and now out): DeCastro

Strike 2's: Kuechly, Konz

Strike 1: Barron

Judging by this criteria, Kuechly and Barron are the best "true Pioli" prospects.

With Barron being the most squeaky clean.



You're REALLY turning into a nerd, and that's ok, but i wanted to be sure and tell you.

Exoter175
03-22-2012, 10:58 PM
I'm cool with Kuechly he looks like a better Ted Bruschi. I think people on here overrated Belcher.

I'm of the opposite approach, I think Belcher's undderrated here. He's not pro bowl caliber at all, but he's pretty damned good at sniffing out the run game. Kuechly wouldn't start here if we picked him, and considering we just inked Belcher for another season, I don't see us spending our first round pick on a guy who's going to see the bench for at least a year, if not more if Belcher gets a big contract next year.

Chocolate Hog
03-22-2012, 11:01 PM
I'm of the opposite approach, I think Belcher's undderrated here. He's not pro bowl caliber at all, but he's pretty damned good at sniffing out the run game. Kuechly wouldn't start here if we picked him, and considering we just inked Belcher for another season, I don't see us spending our first round pick on a guy who's going to see the bench for at least a year, if not more if Belcher gets a big contract next year.

Belcher is signed for 1 season Kuechly absolutely would beat him out for a starting position. People overlook how much of a liability Belcher is in coverage. The playoff game illustrated how much the Chiefs suck over the middle then re-watch the Patriots game last year. In one drive last year Belcher allowed 77 yards and a touchdown. In a league that's using more twin tight end sets Belcher becomes even more of liability.

Simplicity
03-22-2012, 11:02 PM
Stop quoting the OP!!!

Exoter175
03-22-2012, 11:03 PM
Belcher is signed for 1 season Kuechly absolutely would beat him out for a starting position. People overlook how much of a liability Belcher is in coverage. The playoff game illustrated how much the Chiefs suck over the middle then re-watch the Patriots game last year. In one drive last year Belcher allowed 77 yards and a touchdown. In a league that's using more twin tight end sets Belcher becomes even more of liability.

Oh believe me, I know Belcher is a liability in coverage, but he makes up for that in his run defense which is considerably above average in this league, add in two healthy safeties and I don't think he'll be burned nearly as much in coverage this coming year. I really don't see Kuechly beating him out in camp.

Chiefs=Good
03-22-2012, 11:10 PM
I am starting to think Kuechly is the pick (if we cant trade down). Not sure what to think of drafting him yet...

hometeam
03-22-2012, 11:10 PM
The more I see on Kuechly the more I am in on him. This dude is going to be a beast.

Exoter175
03-22-2012, 11:12 PM
The more I see on Kuechly the more I am in on him. This dude is going to be a beast.

You guys must be seeing something I'm not.

I see a guy who is far too upright and damned near indecisive when he makes his tackles, gets out of position in space and is susceptible to terrible attempts at arm tackles.

I think the only reason people are still talking about him is because he absolutely TORE UP the combine. Unless this kid is just the next evolutionary step in terms of coachability, I don't see it happening.

dirk digler
03-22-2012, 11:13 PM
I'm cool with Kuechly he looks like a better Ted Bruschi. I think people on here overrate Belcher.

Yep. I am not a big Belcher fan we would be better off replacing him and he can go back to Special teams.

BIG K
03-22-2012, 11:20 PM
Trade down and grab those extra picks that alot of folk here think will be necessary next year to draft our QBOTF!!!

BossChief
03-22-2012, 11:21 PM
I think Barron would be a good pick. Especially in a division with Peyton Manning and Phillip Rivers.

ForeverChiefs58
03-22-2012, 11:53 PM
You guys must be seeing something I'm not.

I see a guy who is far too upright and damned near indecisive when he makes his tackles, gets out of position in space and is susceptible to terrible attempts at arm tackles.

I think the only reason people are still talking about him is because he absolutely TORE UP the combine. Unless this kid is just the next evolutionary step in terms of coachability, I don't see it happening.

Personally, I hope if Richardson is gone, they trade down a few spots and the pick is DeCastro. I do also like Luke Kuechly though.

I did hear that at the combine they were comparing him with Patrick Willis. But if there is any knock on Kuechly, it sure as heck isn't his ability to tackle.

The guy had 20 tackles against Florida State, in one game, which is just incredible. He also had a 33-game double-digit tackle streak, the longest streak of its kind in FBS college football between 2009 and 2011.

According to CBSsports and ESPN, most NFL-caliber college defenders average eight total tackles a game, counting assisted and solo stops, during their most productive season. In 2011, Kuechly led the nation with an astounding 191 tackles (102 solo) during the season, averaging nearly 16 tackles per game.

Exoter175
03-23-2012, 12:10 AM
Personally, I hope if Richardson is gone, they trade down a few spots and the pick is DeCastro. I do also like Luke Kuechly though.

I did hear that at the combine they were comparing him with Patrick Willis. But if there is any knock on Kuechly, it sure as heck isn't his ability to tackle.

The guy had 20 tackles against Florida State, in one game, which is just incredible. He also had a 33-game double-digit tackle streak, the longest streak of its kind in FBS college football between 2009 and 2011.

According to CBSsports and ESPN, most NFL-caliber college defenders average eight total tackles a game, counting assisted and solo stops, during their most productive season. In 2011, Kuechly led the nation with an astounding 191 tackles (102 solo) during the season, averaging nearly 16 tackles per game.

Keep in mind, your tackles depends a lot on other variables. How quickly and often your offense scores/doesn't score, the players around you, the system you play in, etc.

Just because a guy makes all the tackles for his team, doesn't mean he's a great tackler. Hell it could mean his team is actually terrible at tackling and he just has to work harder for his defense.

The game film I've seen has shown that he tries a lot of arm tackles because of his lack of proper positioning, and shows that he gets far too upright before exploding into the tackle.

Shit that will get you ran over by the Tolberts and Hillis' of the league.

jspchief
03-23-2012, 01:09 AM
You guys must be seeing something I'm not.

I see a guy who is far too upright and damned near indecisive when he makes his tackles, gets out of position in space and is susceptible to terrible attempts at arm tackles.

I think the only reason people are still talking about him is because he absolutely TORE UP the combine. Unless this kid is just the next evolutionary step in terms of coachability, I don't see it happening.

Kuechly was the top lb prospect before the combine. His combine numbers only proved that he has the athleticism to match his instincts and production.

And just about everything else you said about him is wrong.

The only realistic arguments against him for the Chiefs is need and positional value.

Chiefshrink
03-23-2012, 01:09 AM
Man, that is some iffy tape.

It doesn't get any better against Alabama, the best team he faced all year.

It gets even worse in 2010. When he didn't even exist on the national radar.

I like Brockers. He's got a lot of work ahead of him, though. We might as well keep Dorsey, though, if we're interested in this guy.

:thumb:

He has no sudden burst and his combine 40 showed it.

Chiefshrink
03-23-2012, 01:16 AM
I think Barron would be a good pick. Especially in a division with Peyton Manning and Phillip Rivers.

:thumb:

I don't care if Peyton is 36. He is still Manning and we need some serious pass rushers now more than ever. Rivers and Manning will be a load to big to handle for our 2ndary if we don't get to the QB. Throw Dallas Clark in there as well because he will be going to Denver.

Exoter175
03-23-2012, 02:30 AM
Kuechly was the top lb prospect before the combine. His combine numbers only proved that he has the athleticism to match his instincts and production.

And just about everything else you said about him is wrong.

The only realistic arguments against him for the Chiefs is need and positional value.

Prospect is one thing, transition is another. In college I'm sure he was great, but I'm sitting here imagining a guy like tolbert absolutely bowling over this guy because he takes bad angles and gets upright before he makes an squared up tackle. Both of which are bad news bears at the next level.

I've yet to see game tape that makes this guy truly live up to his "ranking".

Tribal Warfare
03-23-2012, 07:39 AM
The only way I see KC selecting Poe is if they are buying into Parcell's "Planet Theory" hard.

Lightrise
03-23-2012, 08:14 AM
Decastro is where I've been leaning all along. But after reading what everyone has said in recent weeks I now have concluded that most of this is for not without a quarterback. Therefore, though it will be costly, I say make the trade with Cleveland and take Tannehill, and keep 4 QB's on the roster and dump Cassel when some other team becomes desperate.

Chocolate Hog
03-23-2012, 08:17 AM
The only way I see KC selecting Poe is if they are buying into Parcell's "Planet Theory" hard.

Poe is a boom or bust guy. Usually Pioli drafts "safe" guys in the first round.

Tribal Warfare
03-23-2012, 08:21 AM
Poe is a boom or bust guy. Usually Pioli drafts "safe" guys in the first round.

This is a scenario that might happen, like Pioli selecting a Safety in the top 5.

I'm jockeying the idea of drafting Dont'a Hightower.

htismaqe
03-23-2012, 08:32 AM
Poe is a boom or bust guy. Usually Pioli drafts "safe" guys in the first round.

In the end, Poe isn't really a 3-4, 2-gap NT. The guys he's being compared to are 4-3 NTs or 3-4 DEs.

htismaqe
03-23-2012, 08:33 AM
I think Barron would be a good pick. Especially in a division with Peyton Manning and Phillip Rivers.

This is where I'm at. Barron and Berry together would be nasty.

Chiefnj2
03-23-2012, 08:38 AM
People want to take Barron at 11?

El Jefe
03-23-2012, 08:38 AM
This is where I'm at. Barron and Berry together would be nasty.

Fill me in on Barron, I have seen some highlight clips, but don't know much else. What do you like?

ChiefMojo
03-23-2012, 08:47 AM
I would only take Barron if we traded way down in the 1st. Of course we wouldn't take him at #11.

DeCastro and Kuechly are my two personal favs. I know taking a OG at #11 is a reach but DeCastro is a special talent. When you can land the next Steve Hutchinson, that is tough to turn down.

As for Kuechly, I LOVE watching his game film. The kid is everything you want in a ILB. Sure he may not have the athletic ability of a Patrick Willis but he is still very athletic. His instincts and tackling ability are tremendous. He will never take off a play and he never deems a play out of reach when it comes to making a stop. He is also pretty decent in pass coverage which is a added bonus.

If we take Kuechly at #11, then I hope someone like Zeitler from Wisconsin is still there in the 2nd.

Chiefnj2
03-23-2012, 08:52 AM
Has KC brought in any free agent safeties for visits? I don't recall hearing of any which really surprises me.

htismaqe
03-23-2012, 08:59 AM
People want to take Barron at 11?

Why not?

The only glaring hole on this team is at QB and there's no way they take one.

That leaves us with a smorgasboard of "safe" players to choose from.

htismaqe
03-23-2012, 09:01 AM
Fill me in on Barron, I have seen some highlight clips, but don't know much else. What do you like?

He'd be the perfect compliment to Berry, IMO. Big, strong, thumper against the run. He isn't a burner but has great instincts.

Chiefnj2
03-23-2012, 09:10 AM
He'd be the perfect compliment to Berry, IMO. Big, strong, thumper against the run. He isn't a burner but has great instincts.

Berry and Barron are both SS.

ChiefMojo
03-23-2012, 09:15 AM
I've tried to tell some that the last couple of days when they bring up Barron. He is a SS just like Berry. If we upgrade, it has to be a FS even though I think Lewis is more than solid at that position.

patteeu
03-23-2012, 10:15 AM
Hernia doesn't matter. Once hernia is surgically repaired, it's fine. It's not a recurring thing.

His tears are more worrisome, but that's why I think Barron's really only worth the effort later in the first round.

Yeah, we don't need any crybabies on this team.

Bewbies
03-23-2012, 10:26 AM
Barron is intriguing to me. I hope we get his teammate Chapman a little later in the draft.

patteeu
03-23-2012, 10:35 AM
Berry and Barron are both SS.

I've tried to tell some that the last couple of days when they bring up Barron. He is a SS just like Berry. If we upgrade, it has to be a FS even though I think Lewis is more than solid at that position.

This has already been addressed several times. Berry can play both positions.

philfree
03-23-2012, 11:11 AM
Berry and Barron are both SS.

If we wre going to go with a S why not Harrison Smith in the 2nd round? Isn't he a FS?

Mr. Laz
03-23-2012, 11:59 AM
Berry and Barron are both SS.

imo Berry should of been a FS from the very beginning.

Have Berry do drills with the CB during OTA's and he should be able to cover with the best of them. (unlike Lewis)

jspchief
03-23-2012, 12:08 PM
Ugh. I hate the idea of messing with a good thing with Berry.

I'm also not sure Barron is a #11 overall caliber of safety.

Chiefnj2
03-23-2012, 12:09 PM
imo Berry should of been a FS from the very beginning.

Have Berry do drills with the CB during OTA's and he should be able to cover with the best of them. (unlike Lewis)

I was surprised when they put him at SS. That being said, he excelled under the scheme Romeo used with him. Like JSP, I'm hesitant to mess with a good thing.

Frosty
03-23-2012, 12:38 PM
After reading some of the scouting reports (like this one (http://thedctimes.com/2012/02/dallas-cowboys-potential-2012-draft-pick-mark-barron-ss-alabama/)), Barron sounds like a safety Romeo would like. He frequently likes to play with three safeties on the field and Barron sounds ideal to drop down and play inside like McGraw did and they still have Lewis to rotate in in those situations. It sounds to me like this could be a likely pick if they can trade down a little.

munkey
03-23-2012, 01:11 PM
You need a girlfriend mate. /Captain Jack Sparrow

ROLF

SNR
03-23-2012, 02:26 PM
imo Berry should of been a FS from the very beginning.

Have Berry do drills with the CB during OTA's and he should be able to cover with the best of them. (unlike Lewis)Remember in 2010 when all the kneejerkers around here were pronouncing Berry as the worst coverage safety in the NFL and a bust?

That's probably why.

beach tribe
03-23-2012, 02:54 PM
You guys must be seeing something I'm not.

I see a guy who is far too upright and damned near indecisive when he makes his tackles, gets out of position in space and is susceptible to terrible attempts at arm tackles.

I think the only reason people are still talking about him is because he absolutely TORE UP the combine. Unless this kid is just the next evolutionary step in terms of coachability, I don't see it happening.

Wow. Just wow.

Analysis is not your strong point.

beach tribe
03-23-2012, 02:56 PM
People were blowing this guy before the combine even started.

If it wasn't for Von Miller he would have won the Butkis award two years in a row, and DID lead the nation in tackles two years running. He is an amazing tackler.

ForeverChiefs58
03-23-2012, 04:01 PM
I was going to put this in the ILB thread, but this is as good a place as any. Kinda long, but pretty informative.

Coach's dream Kuechly looks to make mark in NFL

Colleen McGovern could tell how special Boston College MLB Luke Kuechly was just from the way her husband spoke about him. Bill McGovern, the defensive coordinator of the Eagles, always talked about his players when he came home from work, but the words he used to describe Kuechly were different.

"The way you talk about him, you use words that you don't usually use: 'He's special. There's something about this guy. He gets it,' " McGovern said. "My wife even said at that time, she goes, 'Bill, when those type of guys come along, enjoy them, because they don't come along that often.'"

As one of America's most productive players during his three years in Chestnut Hill, Kuechly's statistics alone put him in rarefied air. As a freshman, he finished second in the nation with 158 tackles and 87 solo stops. By his sophomore year, he had moved into first place with 183 tackles and 110 solo stops. In 2011, his junior campaign, it was more of the same, as Kuechly led the nation with 191 total tackles and 102 solo tackles.

His fine work continued at the 2012 NFL Scouting Combine, in which he was a top performer in nearly every category he competed in. His time of 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash was third among linebackers, as was his vertical leap of 38 inches and his 20-yard shuttle time of 4.12 seconds. He also tied for the lead among linebackers with his 60-yard shuttle time of 11.43 seconds, and finished sixth among linebackers with 27 repetitions in the bench press.

"I was very happy with how I did," said Kuechly, who measures 6-3 1/4, 242 pounds. "For the most part, I did well. I wish I would have maybe done a litle bit better on my shuttles, but other than that, I was very happy with how everything went."

While his performance at Lucas Oil Stadium certainly enhanced his draft stock, he's still slated to come off the board after fellow defenders Quinton Coples, Courtney Upshaw, Michael Brockers, Mark Barron and Morris Claiborne. For his part, McGovern can't see how there are any defensive players ahead of Kuechly in the 2012 NFL draft.

"I don't know that answer," McGovern said. "Those guys all might have a certain skill set that people might want to look for or write about or talk about but I honestly believe and I know for a fact, that there was not a better defensive player in the country than Luke Kuechly this year."

In McGovern's eyes, the best defensive player in the country put forth one of the best efforts he had ever seen when Notre Dame tried to run a version of a hook-and-ladder play against the Eagles. Kuechly switched from one ballcarrier to the other in no time at all, according to his defensive coordinator, to record an impressive tackle.

"That might have been the best play I've ever seen right there," McGovern said. "How fast he was moving, just moving in space, how he diagnosed it so quick, and just bypassed the guy and went to the other guy and swallowed him up like it was nothing. It was as impressive a play as I've seen."

Of course, it's not only about on-the-field accomplishments for Kuechly.

"He would be to me the poster child for any student-athlete in the NCAA," McGovern said. "He's what you want in a young person: outstanding citizen, outstanding student, very competitive, doing it the right way on the field and off the field. But I think the one thing people tend to miss, don't kid yourself, there's nobody more driven than he is."

It was that drive in the classroom, as well as on the football field, that brought Kuechly to Chestnut Hill. A native of the Cincinnati area, Kuechly spurned the hometown Bearcats' offer in favor of a more academically oriented school. He received offers from other academic heavyweights like Virginia, Duke and Stanford but ultimately opted for Boston College.

"The biggest thing was I wanted to go to an academic school, a smaller school," Kuechly said. "It was something that was definitely important. It was one of those things that I tried to use it as a way to get into a school that I wouldn't have been able to get into if I wasn't playing football."

The Eagles also can thank former linebacker and team captain Alex Albright for Kuechly's three years in the maroon and gold.

"The biggest thing was that a guy from St. Xavier (Kuechly's high school in Cincinnati) was up there at Boston College and I could ask him some questions if I had any questions," Kuechly said. "Knowing that he was up there and he had a great time up there and he was doing well up there, it was one of those things that pushed me over the edge."

Upperclassmen like Albright, Mark Herzlich and Wes Davis all helped Kuechly make the transition to college football and feel comfortable on the field.

McGovern was aware that Kuechly was special well before he ever notched a tackle at Alumni Stadium. A simple chat with Greg Toal, the coach at Don Bosco High School, informed him of that fact. Toal, whose New Jersey powerhouse squared off against St. Xavier in 2008, told McGovern that Kuechly was even better than a St. Xavier linebacker who had signed with Wisconsin.

"I talked with Greg," McGovern said. "They had another young man by the name of (Pat) Muldoon who went to Wisconsin and was another good football player, but Greg said to me that kid Kuechly is as good as anyone we've ever seen."

McGovern quickly saw Kuechly's potential with his own eyes. His impact on Boston College was immediate, perhaps more immediate than his coach would have liked. Two of the Eagles' starting linebackers, Mike McLaughlin and Herzlich, were lost before the start of the 2009 season, and into that void stepped Kuechly.

"Luke was a quick learner," McGovern said. "If he made a mistake, he rarely, if ever, made the same mistake again. He was excited about being on the field. He's a driven young man and he wants to be good at what he does."

Kuechly carried his strong performances from the practice field into scrimmages, where he immediately earned the favor of the Eagles' coaching staff. Just as he did throughout his collegiate playing career, Kuechly amazed his coaches by picking up far more tackles than anybody else.

"The thing that was a little different about him was as you checked off tackles and assists, his box had a lot more ticks in it than the other guys," McGovern said. "You could see had a nose for the football, he just had a way of finding the football."

For Kuechly, his superb tackling ability simply comes down to desire and preparation. He mentioned the importance of watching film, studying up on an opposing offense, and perhaps most important, wanting to make a play.

"You got to have the motive, you got to want to make the play, you got to want to be around the ball, you got to want to make the tackle," Kuechly said, "and if that's the mindset that you play, then you're going to be around the ball a lot."

Hardly the biggest hitter in the world, Kuechly said he just wants to get his opponent to the ground.

"The big hits are every once in a while, but with tackling, it's about bringing the guy down and sometimes it's not pretty, but you got to stick somebody," Kuechly said. "For me, you got to get the guy down, and if you get a good smack on him, that's even better."

Kuechly's incredible work ethic continued throughout his years in Chestnut Hill, according to McGovern. So much so, that after a sophomore season in which he led the nation in tackles, Kuechly refused to settle for an already-spectacular status quo.

"He's a guy who came into me after his sophomore year and we talked about where do you want to go with this and he said, 'I want to know the defense as well as you do, coach," McGovern said. "He's a dream. He's the first guy in the meetings, the first guy out for pre-practice, for walk-throughts, he comes back for extra tape on his own."

Unfortunately for McGovern, he didn't get to enjoy Kuechly's presence for quite as long as he would have hoped. After winning the Butkus Award as the nation's best collegiate linebacker in 2011, Kuechly departed for the NFL.

"It was a decision that took a lot of time, took a lot of thought," Kuechly said. "It definitely was a process for me, but the thing that was always there was the opportunity that was right in front of me, something I've always wanted to do, to continue to play football as long as I could."

McGovern has continued to track him even though he is no longer with the Eagles, and said that he could still see Kuechly's intangibles on display at the Combine. As he watched a recording of the action in Indianapolis, he said that he could see his former student helping one of his fellow linebackers with his technique.

"That speaks volumes about him," McGovern said. "Here's a guy that he just met and he might not have even had a chance to greet him and talk to him, but he's willing to help anyone get better."

For his part, Kuechly said he really enjoyed the Combine. He said that he enjoyed meeting all of the great linebackers he had seen on television, and added that it was an experience like none other.

"It's one of those things that people have been asking me about … and it's one of those things that I always say, 'You can't really describe it until you go to it, and kind of witness it and go through it yourself,'" Kuechly said.

After spending hours on the football field, waiting for all 33 linebackers to finish their workouts, and spending additional hours in the media room for a press conference and in the hospital for a check-up, Kuechly said that he is glad the event is over.

"It was something that I was glad I was able to be a part of, but when it was all finished, I was able to get a little sigh of relief that it was all over," Kuechly said. "It will be a relief once I know where I'm going to end up."

For now, that's all Kuechly cares about. As his defensive coordinator said, his linebacker doesn't really care for the spotlight. He just wants a NFL uniform.

"No question, he's one of those kids, he blushes," McGovern said. "He blushes if you make a fuss about him. It's not about him. It's about everybody else and he just wants to go out and just prove himself."

And maybe once he figures out which NFL team he will be on next season, the avid fisherman can finally pull out his hook, line and sinker again.

"It's kind of just you and most of the time with my dad, my brothers and a couple of good friends," Kuechly explained. "You can just go out, hang out, relax and not really have to worry about a whole lot of stuff."


http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/03/18/coachs-dream-kuechly-looks-to-make-mark-in-nfl

ForeverChiefs58
03-23-2012, 04:04 PM
Who would you say has the best LB group in the NFL right now?

xztop12
03-23-2012, 04:24 PM
Who would you say has the best LB group in the NFL right now?

Pittsburgh.

then texans

ForeverChiefs58
03-23-2012, 04:41 PM
Pittsburgh.

then texans


Of course getting a stud like DeCastro could really take our O-line to where it hasn't been in a very long time.

And I like Belcher, but getting a guy like Kuechly could really make our LBer group one of the very best, which could be very important considering the teams the Chiefs face. If the Chiefs had a new QB starting I think I would be all for DeCastro, but with a QB like Cassel, I like going Defense.

Top LB prospect Kuechly has 'things you can't coach'

Before the start of a Boston CollegePro Day designed to provide measurables NFL teams crave, Eagles coach Frank Spaziani raved about the intangibles that projected first-round linebacker Luke Kuechly possesses.

"He has all those things you can't coach," Spaziani said. "He has the 'it' factor.

"He does things you wouldn't coach and gets the results you want."

Bill McGovern, Boston College's defensive coordinator and linebackers coach, described the junior who set Atlantic Coast Conference records for tackles in a career (532) and season (191 in 2011) in similar terms.

He remembered watching tape of the consensus All-America with a visiting NFL coach in which a blocker appeared to have a perfect angle on Kuechly. Then, after a head fake and a move to slip beneath the blocker, he didn't.

"Is that a technique that you teach?" the visitor asked McGovern.

"No," the coordinator replied. "That's something he has."

McGovern added, "Trust me, you will not find a more technically sound kid. He's going to perfect what you give him."


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ChiefaRoo
03-23-2012, 04:53 PM
F*** it. If they take Kuechly I'm in.

ForeverChiefs58
03-23-2012, 05:12 PM
Right now as I see it the positions of biggest need are (besides QB): NT, ILB, G, S, T.

What is exciting is we should be able to get the top player at just about any of those positions. I would be happy with getting any of those, whether we are able to trade back or not.

Exoter175
03-23-2012, 06:21 PM
Wow. Just wow.

Analysis is not your strong point.

Analysis, actually, is my strong point. I've watched a ton of tape on the kid and I just don't see solid footage of him playing inside in a 3-4 well enough to warrant a #11 pick. I think there are a ton of underrated guys in the 2nd and 3rd we can grab that are every bit as good as this kid fundamentally, that didn't blow people out of the water at the combine like he did.

That being said, I'd still rather him than Barron in this pick, I just think Poe/DeCastro are better moves for us. I think we're going to snag a DB in the late rounds like Prater that will satisfy a "depth" need a DB, rather than a safety need from a starting perspective. I also see us loading up on LB's in the middle rounds if we end up going NT/G or G/NT with our first two picks.

jspchief
03-23-2012, 06:41 PM
Wait, Kuechly doesn't impress, but you want Poe?

L.A. Chieffan
03-23-2012, 06:48 PM
There are too many good options for LBs in FA.

Getting an elite nose is much harder than a LB

jspchief
03-23-2012, 06:50 PM
There are too many good options for LBs in FA.

Getting an elite nose is much harder than a LB

I agree. Especially when talking about a 3-4 ILB.

Unfortunately there isn't an elite NT in this draft.

KCChiefsFan88
03-23-2012, 06:52 PM
Does anything really matter this offseason if Cassel remains the starting QB?

No.

jspchief
03-23-2012, 06:57 PM
Does anything really matter this offseason if Cassel remains the starting QB?

No.

I see this a lot, and I can't say I disagree.

But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop talking about Chiefs football.

I mean, what are these comments trying to accomplish? No one needs convincing around here.

Exoter175
03-23-2012, 07:57 PM
Wait, Kuechly doesn't impress, but you want Poe?

Yes.

Why? Because we NEED a Nose Tackle. We don't NEED another ILB. Belcher is doing just fine, our defense is pretty solid with or without him. Guard on the other hand is a bigger need than an ILB. So I'll take DeCastro in our current situation at that pick if my only option is DeCastro, Kuechly, or BPA, because DeCastro is the best out there, and also happens to be a need position.

hometeam
03-23-2012, 08:20 PM
Analysis, actually, is my strong point. I've watched a ton of tape on the kid and I just don't see solid footage of him playing inside in a 3-4 well enough to warrant a #11 pick. I think there are a ton of underrated guys in the 2nd and 3rd we can grab that are every bit as good as this kid fundamentally, that didn't blow people out of the water at the combine like he did.

That being said, I'd still rather him than Barron in this pick, I just think Poe/DeCastro are better moves for us. I think we're going to snag a DB in the late rounds like Prater that will satisfy a "depth" need a DB, rather than a safety need from a starting perspective. I also see us loading up on LB's in the middle rounds if we end up going NT/G or G/NT with our first two picks.

You have watched a ton of tape on him, yet you where decrying his tackling skills.

That doesnt add up. This kid leeches onto people like an alien facehugger and makes them taste dirt. Every time. If he cant tackle why is he the all time leader in tackles? Sure you can say 'tackles dont tell the whole story' etc etc. Except that when you are talking about tackling, they really do.

hometeam
03-23-2012, 08:21 PM
Yes.

Why? Because we NEED a Nose Tackle. We don't NEED another ILB. Belcher is doing just fine, our defense is pretty solid with or without him. Guard on the other hand is a bigger need than an ILB. So I'll take DeCastro in our current situation at that pick if my only option is DeCastro, Kuechly, or BPA, because DeCastro is the best out there, and also happens to be a need position.

Im a fan of Belcher I really am. I think he will be great depth. If there is one thing you stock up on in a 3-4 its linebackers.

SNR
03-23-2012, 08:23 PM
Im a fan of Belcher I really am. I think he will be great depth. If there is one thing you stock up on in a 3-4 its linebackers.Or CBs. Or DL. Or RBs. Or Offensive Line.

Chiefnj2
03-23-2012, 08:28 PM
My problem with Keuchly was his lack of big plays. He wasn't in the top 90 in CFB in terms of tackles for a loss. For a guy with his instincts and timed speed, why wasn't he in the backfield making more plays?

BossChief
03-23-2012, 08:31 PM
If we draft Barron, Berry goes to free safety and probably averages 7 interceptions over the next 5 years and makes Routt look like a stud.

It not only moves our secondary from scary to full blown GOD MODE, it provides us insurance in case of injury...it is a counter move to Peyton signing in Denver...it provides us another good locker room presence and a guy that can help us going forward in a passing league while giving us a secondary of good tacklers and hard hitters.

Also, guys that can take the ball away with consistency.

Im liking the thought of taking him whether it be at 11 or after trading down, more and more.

BossChief
03-23-2012, 08:36 PM
Also, Kuechly would be playing the same position as DJ in our 3-4.

If there is one spot on our defense that doesn't need upgrading AT ALL its DJs spot.

I just dont see how he gets on the field that much in this defense.

I like him as a player, but I question his impact on our defense and where exactly he would improve it.

hometeam
03-23-2012, 08:39 PM
Not being a dick.. just asking..

Why would he play DJ's spot over Belchers?

Even if he is playing on the opposite side than hes used to hes still a tackeling machine! He homes in on the ball like the waterboy and proves that captain insaneo shows NO MERCY!

Mr_Tomahawk
03-23-2012, 08:41 PM
LOL.

This mock wins best layout/presentation.

http://www.chrissteuber.com/steubermockdraft.html

L.A. Chieffan
03-23-2012, 08:47 PM
LOL.

This mock wins best layout/presentation.

http://www.chrissteuber.com/steubermockdraft.html

Haha people don't want Poe at 11, they're gonna have a seizure if they trade UP and take him.

Frosty
03-23-2012, 08:52 PM
LOL.

This mock wins best layout/presentation.

http://www.chrissteuber.com/steubermockdraft.html


Chiefs aren't going to trade up to take Poe. :rolleyes:

BossChief
03-23-2012, 08:53 PM
Not being a dick.. just asking..

Why would he play DJ's spot over Belchers?

Even if he is playing on the opposite side than hes used to hes still a tackeling machine! He homes in on the ball like the waterboy and proves that captain insaneo shows NO MERCY!

IMO, playing Kuechly as a thumper in a 3-4 would be a waste of his talents.

Its a dirty work position...the guy that blows up the fullback or pulling guard and clears the way for the play to be made.

I'm not saying he couldn't do it, he could...but it would be a lot like asking DJ to do that job in this defense and that would be a waste of resources.

hometeam
03-23-2012, 09:05 PM
IMO, playing Kuechly as a thumper in a 3-4 would be a waste of his talents.

Its a dirty work position...the guy that blows up the fullback or pulling guard and clears the way for the play to be made.

I'm not saying he couldn't do it, he could...but it would be a lot like asking DJ to do that job in this defense and that would be a waste of resources.


I see what your saying there. I still want him! I also wanted Curry a few years ago, and we see how that went.

philfree
03-23-2012, 09:11 PM
I see what your saying there. I still want him! I also wanted Curry a few years ago, and we see how that went.

LOL I argued Curry just because there was no way we were gonna draft Sanchex after trading for Cassel. The butt hurt was strong at that point.

BossChief
03-23-2012, 09:21 PM
I see what your saying there. I still want him! I also wanted Curry a few years ago, and we see how that went.

He is a similar (I think Kueckly is a little better) style of player to Curry.

Ill say now what I said back then about Curry.

You dont take a linebacker that high if he isn't a talented pass rusher.

L.A. Chieffan
03-24-2012, 10:47 AM
Nice thread direckshun, really quality work. It even has a watermark.

But i REALLY think you guys are overthinking this. If we're LUCKY we'll draft Poe. Its perfect for us in that spot.

Rain Man
03-24-2012, 10:49 AM
LOL.

This mock wins best layout/presentation.

http://www.chrissteuber.com/steubermockdraft.html


So that's what LSD feels like. I've always wondered.

beach tribe
03-24-2012, 12:54 PM
SS Barron

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d827d3782/First-Draft-Mark-Barron?continuous=true

beach tribe
03-24-2012, 12:57 PM
Starting to warm up to the Barron/Berry combo although I'm not in favor of moving Berry out of the SS role, as I think he could be one of the best to EVER play there.
I like Lewis, but this team likes to play a strong nickle with 3 safeties, and those three on the field would .......just.......be.......sick

beach tribe
03-24-2012, 01:04 PM
LOL.

This mock wins best layout/presentation.

http://www.chrissteuber.com/steubermockdraft.html

Layout is cool, but WhyTF would we trade up for Poe??

L.A. Chieffan
04-27-2012, 02:24 AM
Right now our biggest need is dt AND Poe may be the BPA. not that hard to figure out.

I will provide draft analysis for the low low price of only $89.95

L.A. Chieffan
04-27-2012, 02:26 AM
Nice thread direckshun, really quality work. It even has a watermark.

But i REALLY think you guys are overthinking this. If we're LUCKY we'll draft Poe. Its perfect for us in that spot.

Lol fuck I'm a genius