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Count Zarth
03-25-2012, 01:13 AM
Interesting article, nice peek inside NFL life. Oh, and fuck Scott Pioli.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/24/3511662/an-inside-look-at-a-chiefs-scouting.html

IOWA CITY, IOWA -- At precisely 8:15 on a recent weekday morning, Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli and four other men climbed out of a silver Chevy Suburban on the campus of the University of Iowa.

With Pioli are head coach Romeo Crennel and two position coaches: Jack Bicknell Jr., who coaches the offensive line, and Nick Sirianni, who coaches the wide receivers. They are here to attend Iowa’s pro day, during which the school’s draft prospects will audition for jobs in the NFL.

Center Casey Wiegmann, who is likely to retire after 16 NFL seasons, has tagged along because he once played for the Hawkeyes — and because he suddenly has some free time on his hands.

Free agency may be in full swing, but this trip is one of many important steps for the Chiefs as they evaluate talent before the NFL draft. The Hawkeyes have several pro prospects, and Pioli and the coaches have come from Kansas City to look. But they’re not alone. An Iowa official says every NFL team save Washington has at least one representative on hand.

But by comparison, the Chiefs have brought a large group — and Crennel is the only NFL head coach present. That’s an indication that the Chiefs, who selected a player from Iowa in each of the past two drafts, have more than passing interest in Iowa’s program.

The Hawkeyes have perhaps seven or eight players who could be drafted, but the fact that the Chiefs’ offensive line and wide receiver coaches made the trip indicates a special interest in Iowa linemen Riley Reiff, Adam Gettis and Markus Zusevics and wide receiver Marvin McNutt.

Reiff is one of the top tackles available and might have been the Chiefs’ first-round choice next month had they not recently signed free agent Eric Winston. The other three prospects will probably be available in the middle to late rounds.

This day, like pro days at other schools across the country, is part of the long process of preparing for the draft, but the process actually began long ago. In fact, the Chiefs also have Terry Delp, one of their scouts, on campus, but he traveled alone and his mission is mainly to start looking at Iowa’s juniors in preparation for next year’s draft.

The Chiefs can obtain the numbers from this pro day — 40-yard dash times, bench-press reps, etc. — and watch video of Iowa’s prospects without leaving Kansas City, but Pioli sees value in making the trip.

“Having people see things in person is so critical,” Pioli said. “You get to see how other people respond to them, how their teammates respond to them and how they respond to their teammates. You can tell whether they have leadership ability or they are selfish. These are things you can’t always get by watching video. You get a better sense of reality by being here and observing.”

The group wanders over to Iowa’s sprawling football facility. Among Chiefs officials, only Pioli has been there before, so Wiegmann leads the way.

“I don’t know where I’m going,” Crennel says. “I’m just following Casey.”

Wiegmann gets the party where it needs to be, and the first opposing scout the group comes across is Luke Palko, the brother of former Chiefs quarterback Tyler Palko. Luke Palko works for the Arizona Cardinals.

The coaches want to watch some video of Iowa’s players before the day’s activities begin. Wiegmann leads the way to the film room.

Pioli, meanwhile, catches up with some old friends. One is Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. The two met years ago when Ferentz coached at the University of Maine. He interviewed Pioli for an assistant coaching job but gave the position to someone else.

Some years later, when Pioli was working as a scout for the Cleveland Browns, his job one day was to drive to the airport and pick up Ferentz, who was coming in to interview for a job with the Browns. Ferentz jokes that he thought Pioli might drive him off a cliff that day as payment for not giving him the job in Maine, but Pioli got Ferentz safely to Browns headquarters, and Ferentz was eventually hired. The two went on to become friends.

Pioli then visits for about 20 minutes with Ferentz’s son, Brian, Iowa’s new offensive line coach. Brian Ferentz was trying to find a spot as an offensive lineman in the NFL several years ago when Pioli, then with the Patriots, called to offer him a job.

As a scout, not a player.

“He ended my playing career,” Brian Ferentz said. “I knew it was over when he offered me that job.”

Pioli eventually joins the coaches in the film room and, after watching for a few plays, has a comment about Iowa’s linemen.

“When they come out of here, they’re all so good technically,” he says. “You have to do less teaching than with 90 percent of the other kids.”

Later, Pioli would elaborate.

“So many other teams runs spread offenses, and you don’t see a lot of guys playing the same type of game that’s being played in the National Football League,” Pioli said. “That’s not the case here. The other thing is, with offensive linemen out of Iowa, Kirk is an offensive line coach. Think of all the great offensive linemen that have come through here. I’ve watched him develop players. He’s a great teacher of fundamentals and techniques. They will understand the things we’re trying to teach at the next level much quicker.”

It’s ironic, then, that the Chiefs have selected an Iowa player in each of the past two drafts and neither was an offensive lineman. Tight end Tony Moeaki was a third-round choice in 2010 and quarterback Ricky Stanzi was a fifth-round pick last year.

Those selections were the product of Pioli’s relationship with Ferentz and the other Iowa coaches.

“I know I certainly will feel better about players from this program because it’s like an NFL program,” Pioli said. “Kirk runs things here like an NFL program. The other thing is, the players that come out of here, I know there’s not going to be a lot of surprises with them. I’m going to know what they are and who they are.

“I know I’m getting honesty from Kirk and their other coaches. There are other places I go where it’s the same way.”

Pioli doesn’t go to every school’s pro day, but the Chiefs will have either a coach or scout at every one that features, in their opinion, at least one draftable player.

Pioli will attend between five and 10 pro days this season. Every year, he tries to carve out time to get to Iowa.

“They’ve got a lot of good players,” he said. “They play against good competition. Part of it is also that because of the relationships here, I can get a lot of work done not only on the Iowa kids but some of the other kids at other Big Ten schools. They know a lot about the players they have to play against, as well.”

The group watches video of Iowa’s games against Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. The latter two games are especially valuable to the coaches because they can watch Gettis, one of the offensive linemen they like, go against two of the country’s best defensive tackles — Jerel Worthy of Michigan State and Devon Still of Penn State.

Pioli and the coaches run back most plays several times as they dissect a player’s abilities and liabilities. They discuss things only a coach or scout could be interested in, such as the size of a particular player’s hands.

The group then joins coaches and scouts from other NFL teams in Iowa’s massive weight room, where they watch the draft prospects bench 225 pounds as many times as they can. After that, they head to Iowa’s indoor practice bubble, where it feels like 90 degrees on a humid day, and watch the players perform various agility drills.

That’s where Pioli checks his phone for NFL news and learns that quarterback Peyton Manning will join one of the Chiefs’ division rivals, the Denver Broncos.

As always, Pioli perks up when the offensive linemen go through their drills. Pioli was a defensive lineman in college at Central Connecticut State but coached the offensive line for one season at Murray State and has an affinity for the position. During training camp, he spends much of his time at practice watching the linemen.

Finally, at 5 p.m., it’s time to head back to the Chevy Suburban and, eventually, Kansas City. These long days can be tedious for those without a passion for scouting, which Wiegmann clearly doesn’t have. At one point, he wonders how anyone can do this job day after day, school after school, as some Chiefs scouts do.

For those who do have the passion, days like this are a labor of love.

“This was a good day, a productive day,” Pioli says. “There’s free agency going on right now, so this is a time where you don’t want to be out of the office for long. But this trip was worth it.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/24/3511662/an-inside-look-at-a-chiefs-scouting.html#storylink=cpy

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 01:29 AM
Yeah the Hawkeye players have been so successful in the NFL.

BigMeatballDave
03-25-2012, 01:30 AM
The Iowasification of the Chiefs continues...

Guru
03-25-2012, 01:43 AM
The Iowasification of the Chiefs continues...

Goddamnit. Its the Brownsification!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exoter175
03-25-2012, 02:18 AM
Yeah the Hawkeye players have been so successful in the NFL.

I'm not sure if this is sarcastic or not, but Iowa has cranked out countless linemen and tight ends that have done well in the pros. There was a fact posted on sportscenter about Iowa being like, top 3 or top 5 in the nation for the last decade on cranking out professional athletes in the NFL.

I'm surprised they didn't send a Dbacks coach with them though (although Romeo could be taking point on that one) because I'd think they'd draft a DB in the late rounds like Shaun Prater.

jspchief
03-25-2012, 04:24 AM
I'm not sure if this is sarcastic or not, but Iowa has cranked out countless linemen and tight ends that have done well in the pros. There was a fact posted on sportscenter about Iowa being like, top 3 or top 5 in the nation for the last decade on cranking out professional athletes in the NFL.

I'm surprised they didn't send a Dbacks coach with them though (although Romeo could be taking point on that one) because I'd think they'd draft a DB in the late rounds like Shaun Prater.

Don't pay much attention to Billay. He has a stick up his ass about Iowa.

When you consider that Iowa rarely lands the same caliber of athlete that bigger programs do, the number of guys they send to the NFL is a testament to the coaching. They put out fundamentally sound football players.

InChiefsHell
03-25-2012, 07:02 AM
I'm a Husker fan and even I know that Iowa cranks out solid athletes for the NFL.

qabbaan
03-25-2012, 07:23 AM
Maybe it wasn't players at all. Maybe they are there to meet with Romeo's eventual successor.

Simplicity
03-25-2012, 07:29 AM
Yeah the Hawkeye players have been so successful in the NFL.

:spock:

Shonn Greene
Bob Sanders
Robert Gallery
Chad Greenway
Casey Wiegmann
Dallas Clark
Bryan Bulaga
Tony Moeaki (his one year he was healthy)

There are some more I can't think of right off the bat but all these were already in the pro bowl or will be in the pro bowl numerous times.

You sir, need to get out more.

TEX
03-25-2012, 08:21 AM
Can any of those guys play QB??? :shrug:

ChiefMojo
03-25-2012, 08:29 AM
I know some like to joke/rail Pioli about his ties with Ferentz/Iowa but in all honesty it is one of the handful of schools in the country you know the players offensively are going to be NFL ready guys and have had excellent coaching. Heck defensively they were led by the elder Parker forever and he was a very good coach.

I know the spread is the big thing in the college game but always keep your eye on the bigger schools that run a Pro-Style offense, those are the schools that the NFL teams drool over.

Hoover
03-25-2012, 08:38 AM
Last year there were 44 former Hawks playing in the nfl.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/081611aae.html

Player Pos. Current Team NFL Service
Pat Angerer LB Indianapolis Colts 1 year
Jonathan Babineaux DL Atlanta Falcons 6 years
Jason Baker P Carolina Panthers 10 years
Christian Ballard DL Minnesota Vikings 1st year
Rob Bruggeman OL Atlanta Falcons 2 years
Bryan Bulaga OL Green Bay Packers 1 year
Kyle Calloway OL Baltimore Ravens 1 year
Scott Chandler TE Buffalo Bills 4 years
Dallas Clark TE Indianapolis Colts 8 years
Adrian Clayborn DL Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1st year
Colin Cole DL Seattle Seahawks 8 years
Sean Considine DB Carolina Panthers 6 years
Ryan Donahue P Detroit Lions 1st year
A.J. Edds LB Miami Dolphins 1 year
Bradley Fletcher DB St. Louis Rams 2 years
Robert Gallery OL Seattle Seahawks 7 years
Charles Godfrey DB Carolina Panthers 3 years
Shonn Greene RB New York Jets 2 years
Chad Greenway LB Minnesota Vikings 5 years
Brett Greenwood DB Pittsburgh Steelers 1st year
Jeremiha Hunter LB New Orleans Saints 1st year
Nate Kaeding PK San Diego Chargers 7 years
Aaron Kampman DL Jacksonville Jaguars 9 years
Mitch King DL New Orleans Saints 2 years
Karl Klug DL Tennessee Titans 1st year
Matt Kroul OL New York Jets 2 years
Bryan Mattison OL Baltimore Ravens 3 years
Tony Moeaki TE Kansas City Chiefs 1 year
Brandon Myers TE Oakland Raiders 2 years
Seth Olsen OL Minnesota Vikings 2 years
Marcus Paschal DB Baltimore Ravens 4 years
Allen Reisner TE Minnesota Vikings 1st year
Derreck Robinson DL Cleveland Browns 6 years
Matt Roth DL Jacksonville Jaguars 6 years
Bob Sanders DB San Diego Chargers 7 years
Tyler Sash DB New York Giants 1st year
Andrew Schulze LS Atlanta Falcons 1st year
Amari Spievey DB Detroit Lions 1 year
Ricky Stanzi QB Kansas City Chiefs 1st year
Eric Steinbach OL Cleveland Browns 8 years
Jeff Tarpinian LB New England Patriots 1st year
Julian Vandervelde OL Philadelphia Eagles 1st year
Casey Wiegmann OL Kansas City Chiefs 15 years
Marshal Yanda OL Baltimore Ravens 4 years

mesmith31
03-25-2012, 09:01 AM
I find the Marvin McNutt angle interesting. McNutt was a high school QB, he is the all-time leading receiver in TD's for Iowa, some say he is a bit of a Greg Jennings type. Here is some of what Kiper had to say about him:

Mel Kiper:

He's the kind of guy you look at who is still gaining experience. His route running needs some improvement. Great size, good hands, a very intriguing player. As far as where he will be in the 40, probably 4'5" or so. He has excellent size, 6'2" and over 215 pounds, top seven or eight in the senior WR class. 41 catches, 18.5 yard average and 8 touchdowns. James Vanden Berg has done a good job there taking over from Ricky Stanzi and getting McNutt the football.

jspchief
03-25-2012, 09:04 AM
Yeah but no success!!11!

/derp cornholer

DA_T_84
03-25-2012, 09:08 AM
Yeah the Hawkeye players have been so successful in the NFL.

Last year there were 44 former Hawks playing in the nfl.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/081611aae.html

Player Pos. Current Team NFL Service
Pat Angerer LB Indianapolis Colts 1 year
Jonathan Babineaux DL Atlanta Falcons 6 years
Jason Baker P Carolina Panthers 10 years
Christian Ballard DL Minnesota Vikings 1st year
Rob Bruggeman OL Atlanta Falcons 2 years
Bryan Bulaga OL Green Bay Packers 1 year
Kyle Calloway OL Baltimore Ravens 1 year
Scott Chandler TE Buffalo Bills 4 years
Dallas Clark TE Indianapolis Colts 8 years
Adrian Clayborn DL Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1st year
Colin Cole DL Seattle Seahawks 8 years
Sean Considine DB Carolina Panthers 6 years
Ryan Donahue P Detroit Lions 1st year
A.J. Edds LB Miami Dolphins 1 year
Bradley Fletcher DB St. Louis Rams 2 years
Robert Gallery OL Seattle Seahawks 7 years
Charles Godfrey DB Carolina Panthers 3 years
Shonn Greene RB New York Jets 2 years
Chad Greenway LB Minnesota Vikings 5 years
Brett Greenwood DB Pittsburgh Steelers 1st year
Jeremiha Hunter LB New Orleans Saints 1st year
Nate Kaeding PK San Diego Chargers 7 years
Aaron Kampman DL Jacksonville Jaguars 9 years
Mitch King DL New Orleans Saints 2 years
Karl Klug DL Tennessee Titans 1st year
Matt Kroul OL New York Jets 2 years
Bryan Mattison OL Baltimore Ravens 3 years
Tony Moeaki TE Kansas City Chiefs 1 year
Brandon Myers TE Oakland Raiders 2 years
Seth Olsen OL Minnesota Vikings 2 years
Marcus Paschal DB Baltimore Ravens 4 years
Allen Reisner TE Minnesota Vikings 1st year
Derreck Robinson DL Cleveland Browns 6 years
Matt Roth DL Jacksonville Jaguars 6 years
Bob Sanders DB San Diego Chargers 7 years
Tyler Sash DB New York Giants 1st year
Andrew Schulze LS Atlanta Falcons 1st year
Amari Spievey DB Detroit Lions 1 year
Ricky Stanzi QB Kansas City Chiefs 1st year
Eric Steinbach OL Cleveland Browns 8 years
Jeff Tarpinian LB New England Patriots 1st year
Julian Vandervelde OL Philadelphia Eagles 1st year
Casey Wiegmann OL Kansas City Chiefs 15 years
Marshal Yanda OL Baltimore Ravens 4 years

Fuckin' ChiefsPlanet ROFL

:clap:

Hoover
03-25-2012, 09:26 AM
McNutt is the deal deal.

notorious
03-25-2012, 09:30 AM
Step 1: Rent Helicopter

Step 2: Buy 11tybillion pack of gum

Step 3: Dump empty wrappers onto Iowa's practice field

Step 4: Profit

jspchief
03-25-2012, 09:30 AM
McNutt is the deal deal.

McNutt is one Iowa player I just don't really buy into. I'm not even sure I can put my finger on why, I just don't think his college production will transfer over to the pros.

He doesn't strike me as overly fast or athletic, in spite of some spectacular plays in college.

Epic Fail 007
03-25-2012, 09:46 AM
Interesting article, nice peek inside NFL life. Oh, and **** Scott Pioli.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/24/3511662/an-inside-look-at-a-chiefs-scouting.html

no fuck you

mikey23545
03-25-2012, 09:49 AM
I'm a Husker fan and even I know that Iowa cranks out solid athletes for the NFL.

You've got to realize your different from Bo's Penis...You're a Husker fan with a brain.

BossChief
03-25-2012, 10:12 AM
McNutt has good speed and more importantly gets in and out of his breaks very quickly for a guy his size. He also has really reliable hands and knows how to get his feet down to make the catch count. Experienced and effective at getting off press coverage and is a hard working kid that is mature and humble off the field.

He will probably get "overdrafted" like Pat Angerer did, but will have a long and productive career in the NFL.

It sucks that we don't need a receiver because he would have been the third player in consecutive years that I think we would have drafted that's a favorite of mine.

Three7s
03-25-2012, 10:21 AM
I know we don't really need receivers, but I'd be pretty damn happy if we got McNutt. He's as clutch as they come.

BossChief
03-25-2012, 10:30 AM
I forgot to mention clutch. EVERY TIME the team needed a big play on third down, or NEEDED points...McNutt was right there for them. He is a terrific blocker as well.

Also, he is a Missouri kid.

whoman69
03-25-2012, 10:38 AM
I wonder if these are open to the public? I might show up next year if so.

Hoover
03-25-2012, 10:50 AM
I wonder if these are open to the public? I might show up next year if so.
ummm no.

Could you imagine? "Hey Scott, you suck!"

aturnis
03-25-2012, 10:51 AM
McNutt is one Iowa player I just don't really buy into. I'm not even sure I can put my finger on why, I just don't think his college production will transfer over to the pros.

He doesn't strike me as overly fast or athletic, in spite of some spectacular plays in college.

Overly fast? No, 4.51 is not overly fast, but for 6'4" 215 it's not too bad. Athletic, McNutt is VERY athletic.

I think that is a common misconception of Iowa players. It might be due to their no glitz style of play. Same thing happens to a lot of Iowa guys only to surprise at the next level. I remember guys being really surprised with Stanzi's scrambling ability last year.

Chiefaholic
03-25-2012, 10:54 AM
Very interesting article on a day in the life of a Pro Day from a GM's perspective. Unlike Peterson, Pioli plays more of a hands on approach, rather than take a vacation this time of the year.

Hoover
03-25-2012, 10:57 AM
I don't know why there are not more articles like this.

Simply Red
03-25-2012, 10:58 AM
Billay pwnt by Hoover. Lol

cabletech94
03-25-2012, 10:59 AM
i just can't wait to buy a McNutt jersey.

wear that shit proud!!!!

Okie_Apparition
03-25-2012, 11:00 AM
A day with Adam Teicher

jspchief
03-25-2012, 11:01 AM
I think that is a common misconception of Iowa players. It might be due to their no glitz style of play. Same thing happens to a lot of Iowa guys only to surprise at the next level. I remember guys being really surprised with Stanzi's scrambling ability last year.
Thanks for clearing that up. I've only been a Hawkeye fan for over 30 years, so that really sheds some light on things.

:what:

BossChief
03-25-2012, 11:02 AM
I think Gettis could be a damn good guard if he could add 15 pounds.

Maybe the Jason Dunn role would suit him better, he can move extremely well.

We can do worse that he and Prater as 4-6 round picks.

beach tribe
03-25-2012, 11:06 AM
Yeah the Hawkeye players have been so successful in the NFL.

Probably more quality players in the NFL than Nebraska right now.

beach tribe
03-25-2012, 11:07 AM
If we add McNutt we could have the best WR core in the league. Dude's gonna be a player IMO.

Tribal Warfare
03-25-2012, 11:10 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4x2UUWgv1NQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

this also doubles as a McNutt highlight reel

Chris Meck
03-25-2012, 11:34 AM
I think a guy like McNutt is likely to transition to the NFL. I wouldn't worry about the 4.5 40 time, he's a big, strong guy. He'll play faster than that.

They run those things in shorts, you know. Throw helmets and pads on them and the smaller guys slow down a little more than the bigger, stronger guys. That's part of what they mean when they say someone 'plays faster' than their time.

WhiteWhale
03-25-2012, 11:47 AM
I think a guy like McNutt is likely to transition to the NFL. I wouldn't worry about the 4.5 40 time, he's a big, strong guy. He'll play faster than that.

They run those things in shorts, you know. Throw helmets and pads on them and the smaller guys slow down a little more than the bigger, stronger guys. That's part of what they mean when they say someone 'plays faster' than their time.

Yup, I love this rarely emphasized point.

Bigger stronger players carry their equipment more easily and don't lose as much speed.

4.5 is plenty fast enough for a WR of that stature.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2012, 11:52 AM
That was a really good article-alot better than the fluff they usually put out.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 02:07 PM
Last year there were 44 former Hawks playing in the nfl.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/081611aae.html

Player Pos. Current Team NFL Service
Pat Angerer LB Indianapolis Colts 1 year
Jonathan Babineaux DL Atlanta Falcons 6 years
Jason Baker P Carolina Panthers 10 years
Christian Ballard DL Minnesota Vikings 1st year
Rob Bruggeman OL Atlanta Falcons 2 years
Bryan Bulaga OL Green Bay Packers 1 year
Kyle Calloway OL Baltimore Ravens 1 year
Scott Chandler TE Buffalo Bills 4 years
Dallas Clark TE Indianapolis Colts 8 years
Adrian Clayborn DL Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1st year
Colin Cole DL Seattle Seahawks 8 years
Sean Considine DB Carolina Panthers 6 years
Ryan Donahue P Detroit Lions 1st year
A.J. Edds LB Miami Dolphins 1 year
Bradley Fletcher DB St. Louis Rams 2 years
Robert Gallery OL Seattle Seahawks 7 years
Charles Godfrey DB Carolina Panthers 3 years
Shonn Greene RB New York Jets 2 years
Chad Greenway LB Minnesota Vikings 5 years
Brett Greenwood DB Pittsburgh Steelers 1st year
Jeremiha Hunter LB New Orleans Saints 1st year
Nate Kaeding PK San Diego Chargers 7 years
Aaron Kampman DL Jacksonville Jaguars 9 years
Mitch King DL New Orleans Saints 2 years
Karl Klug DL Tennessee Titans 1st year
Matt Kroul OL New York Jets 2 years
Bryan Mattison OL Baltimore Ravens 3 years
Tony Moeaki TE Kansas City Chiefs 1 year
Brandon Myers TE Oakland Raiders 2 years
Seth Olsen OL Minnesota Vikings 2 years
Marcus Paschal DB Baltimore Ravens 4 years
Allen Reisner TE Minnesota Vikings 1st year
Derreck Robinson DL Cleveland Browns 6 years
Matt Roth DL Jacksonville Jaguars 6 years
Bob Sanders DB San Diego Chargers 7 years
Tyler Sash DB New York Giants 1st year
Andrew Schulze LS Atlanta Falcons 1st year
Amari Spievey DB Detroit Lions 1 year
Ricky Stanzi QB Kansas City Chiefs 1st year
Eric Steinbach OL Cleveland Browns 8 years
Jeff Tarpinian LB New England Patriots 1st year
Julian Vandervelde OL Philadelphia Eagles 1st year
Casey Wiegmann OL Kansas City Chiefs 15 years
Marshal Yanda OL Baltimore Ravens 4 years

And my claim wasn't how many are in the league my claim is how many of them are actually worth a fuck.

KurtCobain
03-25-2012, 02:14 PM
And my claim wasn't how many are in the league my claim is how many of them are actually worth a fuck.

Alot of those guys have been worth a fuck.

jspchief
03-25-2012, 02:32 PM
And my claim wasn't how many are in the league my claim is how many of them are actually worth a fuck.

Not everyone can be Eric Crouch.

Hoover
03-25-2012, 02:45 PM
Yeah, don't bother yourself by looking at the years they have been in the league either.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 02:48 PM
Yeah, don't bother yourself by looking at the years they have been in the league either.

Sabby Piscitelli has been in the league for 5 years. Whats your point?

Setsuna
03-25-2012, 02:52 PM
I find the Marvin McNutt angle interesting. McNutt was a high school QB, he is the all-time leading receiver in TD's for Iowa, some say he is a bit of a Greg Jennings type. Here is some of what Kiper had to say about him:

Mel Kiper:

He's the kind of guy you look at who is still gaining experience. His route running needs some improvement. Great size, good hands, a very intriguing player. As far as where he will be in the 40, probably 4'5" or so. He has excellent size, 6'2" and over 215 pounds, top seven or eight in the senior WR class. 41 catches, 18.5 yard average and 8 touchdowns. James Vanden Berg has done a good job there taking over from Ricky Stanzi and getting McNutt the football.

Yep keep getting receivers and neglect to get a QB to throw to them. Classy and smart.

jspchief
03-25-2012, 02:53 PM
Sabby Piscitelli has been in the league for 5 years. Whats your point?

Sabby, Bob Sanders, Dallas Clark. Pretty much the same player.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 02:54 PM
Sabby, Bob Sanders, Dallas Clark. Pretty much the same player.

Yup that's what I said.


Chiefsplanet debate strategy: Make up something and make it look like said person you disagree with said it.

Phobia
03-25-2012, 02:58 PM
Sabby Piscitelli has been in the league for 5 years. Whats your point?

The point is that we're arguing football players with a crazy cat lady. None of it makes any sense.

jspchief
03-25-2012, 03:01 PM
Yup that's what I said.


Chiefsplanet debate strategy: Make up something and make it look like said person you disagree with said it.

No you just made some smartass comment about the success of Iowa players in the NFL, because for some reason you have smalldick syndrome any time Iowa gets praise.

The article claimed that NFL franchises recognize Iowa as a good source of pro players. The number of Ferentz coached guys in the NFL right now support that claim.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:04 PM
No you just made some smartass comment about the success of Iowa players in the NFL, because for some reason you have smalldick syndrome any time Iowa gets praise.

The article claimed that NFL franchises recognize Iowa as a good source of pro players. The number of Ferentz coached guys in the NFL right now support that claim.

Small dick syndrome? How so?

It was a fluff article about Pioli fellating another member of the tree. Cool Ferentz sent a lot of guys to the NFL so did Bill Callahan. Who gives a shit?

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:06 PM
The point is that we're arguing football players with a crazy cat lady. None of it makes any sense.

I'm not sure what this is suppose to mean.

Hoover
03-25-2012, 03:07 PM
I feel this thread is going to be like the Decastro thread.

Never draft a Hawkeye in round one...

jspchief
03-25-2012, 03:07 PM
I'm not sure what this is suppose to mean.

I think it means your takes on football are an embarrassment.

Phobia
03-25-2012, 03:09 PM
I'm not sure what this is suppose to mean.

It means I would sooner ask your advice on knitting a cat sweater than I would about whether a football player should be drafted into the NFL.

Hey, what color yarn would look best on a Tabby?

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:11 PM
I think it means your takes on football are an embarrassment.

Signed,

The guy who used Bob Sanders as his example of an outstanding player.

Canofbier
03-25-2012, 03:12 PM
The name of this thread sounds like the title to a children's book.

jspchief
03-25-2012, 03:12 PM
Signed,

The guy who used Bob Sanders as his example of an outstanding player.

Case in point

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:14 PM
Case in point

Case in point Bob Sanders has barely played in 5 years. Got anymore great examples?

mlyonsd
03-25-2012, 03:14 PM
I guess I'm happier seeing Pioli and coaches spending time watching players work out than out playing golf somewhere. I don't understand the need to bitch about it.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:16 PM
It means I would sooner ask your advice on knitting a cat sweater than I would about whether a football player should be drafted into the NFL.

Hey, what color yarn would look best on a Tabby?

Don't you have some filter evasions to take care of?

Phobia
03-25-2012, 03:21 PM
Don't you have some filter evasions to take care of?

Are you butt-hurt over your 1-day vacation?

jspchief
03-25-2012, 03:27 PM
Case in point Bob Sanders has barely played in 5 years. Got anymore great examples?

Bulaga. Youngest player to ever start in a Superbowl. Part of the 2010 all rookie team, with Pat Angerer.

Shonne Green, starting rb for the jets.

Adrian Clayborn, starting DT for TB.

I could go on. There's a significant number of Ferentz coached Hawkeyes starting in the NFL.

Next I guess you'll tell me that starting in the NFL isn't success.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:28 PM
Bulaga. Youngest player to ever start in a Superbowl. Part of the 2010 all rookie team, with Pat Angerer.

Shonne Green, starting rb for the jets.

Adrian Clayborn, starting DT for TB.

I could go on. There's a significant number of Ferentz coached Hawkeyes starting in the NFL.

Next I guess you'll tell me that starting in the NFL isn't success.

You forgot Ricky Stanzi The next Tom Brady.

mikey23545
03-25-2012, 03:36 PM
Not everyone can be Eric Crouch.

Or Lawrence Phillips.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:37 PM
What's Nebraska have to do with this thread?

jspchief
03-25-2012, 03:38 PM
You forgot Ricky Stanzi The next Tom Brady.

It's ok. I don't need you to actually admit you're a dumbass.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 03:45 PM
It's ok. I don't need you to actually admit you're a dumbass.

Your butthurt has caused you to prolapse in this thread.

whoman69
03-25-2012, 04:14 PM
Case in point Bob Sanders has barely played in 5 years. Got anymore great examples?

Bob Sanders was in the league 8 years and was 2 times first team all pro. So you're the idiot that underplays the other side's case to make their argument.

Its been cited here that there are 44 former Hawkeyes currently in the NFL. There's only 31 former Huskers.

BossChief
03-25-2012, 05:00 PM
Bob Sanders was a dmvp.

Peyton never wins a championship without him.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 05:27 PM
Bob Sanders was in the league 8 years and was 2 times first team all pro. So you're the idiot that underplays the other side's case to make their argument.

Its been cited here that there are 44 former Hawkeyes currently in the NFL. There's only 31 former Huskers.

ROFL only 31 and there's no Hawkeyes as good as Suh or Nicks. So what's Nebraska have to do with this thread again?

Pawnmower
03-25-2012, 05:29 PM
Case in point Bob Sanders has barely played in 5 years. Got anymore great examples?

Is it just me noticing now or did you suddenly become a stooge recently? I dont have a dog in the hunt, but god damn Sanders is a stud.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 05:30 PM
Is it just me noticing now or did you suddenly become a stooge recently? I dont have a dog in the hunt, but god damn Sanders is a stud.

It's 2012 bruh.

Count Zarth
03-25-2012, 05:34 PM
When you compare Iowa players to, say, Miami players it's really no contest. Most of the guys from Iowa are pretty average players at best.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/i

So, Billay is right when he mocks the success of Iowa players.

Guys from that list that could be considered "successful" :

Bulaga
Clayborn
Greenway
Kampman
Yanda

Now let's look at Miami:

Beason
Campbell
Gore
Graham
Hester
Johnson
Lewis
McGahee
McKinnie
Moss
Myers
Reed
Rolle
Vilma
Wayne
Wilfork
Williams
Winslow
Winston

It's not close.

Guys from Iowa currently in the NFL = a big bag of meh.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 05:37 PM
When you compare Iowa players to, say, Miami players it's really no contest. Most of the guys from Iowa are pretty average players at best.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/i

So, Billay is right when he mocks the success of Iowa players.

Guys from that list that could be considered "successful" :

Bulaga
Clayborn
Greenway
Kampman
Yanda

Now let's look at Miami:

Beason
Campbell
Gore
Graham
Hester
Johnson
Lewis
McGahee
McKinnie
Moss
Myers
Reed
Rolle
Vilma
Wayne
Wilfork
Williams
Winslow
Winston

It's not close.

Guys from Iowa currently in the NFL = a big bag of meh.


http://i47.tinypic.com/xqlsw7.jpg

Count Zarth
03-25-2012, 05:39 PM
Shit, even current Longhorns shit all over that Iowa list:

Blalock
Charles
Finley
Griffin
Hampton
Huff
Jammer
Johnson
Orakpo
Redding
Robison
Ross
Thomas

Phobia
03-25-2012, 05:41 PM
When you compare Iowa players to, say, Miami players it's really no contest. Most of the guys from Iowa are pretty average players at best.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/i

So, Billay is right when he mocks the success of Iowa players.

Guys from that list that could be considered "successful" :

Bulaga
Clayborn
Greenway
Kampman
Yanda

Now let's look at Miami:

Beason
Campbell
Gore
Graham
Hester
Johnson
Lewis
McGahee
McKinnie
Moss
Myers
Reed
Rolle
Vilma
Wayne
Wilfork
Williams
Winslow
Winston

It's not close.

Guys from Iowa currently in the NFL = a big bag of meh.

I definitely agree with what you're saying here. Now go back 4 years on those same lists and compare the blue-chippers who go to Iowa to the ones who choose Miami and tell me who is doing a better job developing NFL-ready players. Iowa gets 3 star kids and makes them into football players. Miami gets 4 and 5 star kids. It shouldn't even be a discussion.

whoman69
03-25-2012, 05:43 PM
ROFL only 31 and there's no Hawkeyes as good as Suh or Nicks. So what's Nebraska have to do with this thread again?

Wow, you are a dipshit. You started the shit and can't even remember it.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 05:43 PM
I definitely agree with what you're saying here. Now go back 4 years on those same lists and compare the blue-chippers who go to Iowa to the ones who choose Miami and tell me who is doing a better job developing NFL-ready players. Iowa gets 3 star kids and makes them into football players. Miami gets 4 and 5 star kids. It shouldn't even be a discussion.

So now we're moving the goal post and only going back 4 years.

Count Zarth
03-25-2012, 05:43 PM
compare the blue-chippers who go to Iowa to the ones who choose Miami and tell me who is doing a better job developing NFL-ready players.

I agree with this.

Those players don't turn into stars, though.

Congrats to Iowa for being a factory for mediocre NFL players.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 05:45 PM
Wow, you are a dipshit. You started the shit and can't even remember it.

Wipe the Ricky Stanzi cum out of your eyes and read what I said. Nowhere in this thread was I the one who brought up Nebraska. It was the insecure Hawkeyes fans who did.

BossChief
03-25-2012, 05:48 PM
I definitely agree with what you're saying here. Now go back 4 years on those same lists and compare the blue-chippers who go to Iowa to the ones who choose Miami and tell me who is doing a better job developing NFL-ready players. Iowa gets 3 star kids and makes them into football players. Miami gets 4 and 5 star kids. It shouldn't even be a discussion.

Bingo

milkman
03-25-2012, 05:50 PM
Wipe the Ricky Stanzi cum out of your eyes and read what I said. Nowhere in this thread was I the one who brought up Nebraska. It was the insecure Hawkeyes fans who did.

Are you really this stupid?

Does one have to draw you a pic to show you why Nebraska was introduced into the conversation?

BossChief
03-25-2012, 05:57 PM
Are you really this stupid?

Does one have to draw you a pic to show you why Nebraska was introduced into the conversation?

Might help if said picture was done in crayon.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 05:57 PM
Are you really this stupid?

Does one have to draw you a pic to show you why Nebraska was introduced into the conversation?


Yeah I get it I'm a fan of Nebraska. Whats your point? What does Nebraska have to do with a fluff article written about Pioli and one of his friends who sends mediocre players to the NFL? Absolutely nothing.

milkman
03-25-2012, 05:59 PM
Yeah I get it I'm a fan of Nebraska. Whats your point? What does Nebraska have to do with a fluff article written about Pioli and one of his friends who sends mediocre players to the NFL? Absolutely nothing.

:facepalm:

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 05:59 PM
Might help if said picture was done in crayon.

It's funny watching you two give each other a reach around in every thread.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:01 PM
:facepalm:

This is now the 2nd time today you've made stuff up.

milkman
03-25-2012, 06:01 PM
It's funny watching you two give each other a reach around in every thread.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, but stop projecting your homosexual fantasies at me.

milkman
03-25-2012, 06:02 PM
This is now the 2nd time today you've made stuff up.

JFC, you're a fucking moron.

What did I make up, dumbass?

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:02 PM
There's nothing wrong with being gay, but stop projecting your homosexual fantasies at me.

Seriously I get it. You were neglected as a child try projecting your rage somewhere else.

milkman
03-25-2012, 06:04 PM
Seriously I get it. You were neglected as a child try projecting your rage somewhere else.

Rage?

I simply have no patience for stupidity, and you, my friend, are one stupid motherfucker.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:06 PM
JFC, you're a ****ing moron.

What did I make up, dumbass?

You know exactly what you made up you dumb bastard.

First you incorrectly pointed out how I said Carr sucked last year.

In this thread you are trying to make it out like the only reason I've said Iowa sends mediocre players to the NFL is because I'm a Nebraska fan. That has nothing to do with it at all. I hate Missouri more than Iowa and I've admitted Pinkel has sent better players to the NFL. So my Nebraska fandom has nothing to do with this it's just a cheap way to try and invalidate my point.

Count Zarth
03-25-2012, 06:08 PM
Billay is right, people.

Iowa players are the blue collar complementary players of the NFL.

You want a stud, you better get someone from the SEC or something.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:09 PM
Rage?

I simply have no patience for stupidity, and you, my friend, are one stupid mother****er.

Oh bullshit you white knight BossChief every chance you get he's said plenty of stupid shit and you've never called him out.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:09 PM
Billay is right, people.

Iowa players are the blue collar complementary players of the NFL.

You want a stud, you better get someone from the SEC or something.

No i'm wrong because I'm a Nebraska fan.

milkman
03-25-2012, 06:15 PM
You know exactly what you made up you dumb bastard.

First you incorrectly pointed out how I said Carr sucked last year.

In this thread you are trying to make it out like the only reason I've said Iowa sends mediocre players to the NFL is because I'm a Nebraska fan. That has nothing to do with it at all. I hate Missouri more than Iowa and I've admitted Pinkel has sent better players to the NFL. So my Nebraska fandom has nothing to do with this it's just a cheap way to try and invalidate my point.

Jesus Christ, you dumbshit.

You need to look up definitions.

I didn't make shit up.

I misremembered at what point in time you started to recognize that Carr was a good corner.

That doesn't=making shit up.

I also never said anything about you saying anything about Iowa players.

I only pointed out the the stupidity of your posts asking what Nebraska has to do with this thread when your dumb ass should know good and goddamn well why they were brought into the conversation.

milkman
03-25-2012, 06:16 PM
Oh bullshit you white knight BossChief every chance you get he's said plenty of stupid shit and you've never called him out.

I've called out Boss Chief for stupidity.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:18 PM
Jesus Christ, you dumbshit.

You need to look up definitions.

I didn't make shit up.

I misremembered at what point in time you started to recognize that Carr was a good corner.

That doesn't=making shit up.

I also never said anything about you saying anything about Iowa players.

I only pointed out the the stupidity of your posts asking what Nebraska has to do with this thread when your dumb ass should know good and goddamn well why they were brought into the conversation.

It has nothing at all to do with it at all. Now either add to the conversation or get the fuck out.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:19 PM
Billay is right, people.

Iowa players are the blue collar complementary players of the NFL.

You want a stud, you better get someone from the SEC or something.

SEC Teams, USC, Ohio State and Michigan.

BossChief
03-25-2012, 06:22 PM
SEC Teams, USC, Ohio State and Michigan.

We aren't far off, if at all, from those teams over the last few years and all of those teams are easier to recruit for.

milkman
03-25-2012, 06:23 PM
It has nothing at all to do with it at all. Now either add to the conversation or get the **** out.

Good God, you stupid motherfucker. I know Nebraska has nothing to do with it at all.

That is no the fucking point you useless fucking tool.

The point, you mouthbreather, is that, regardless of the relevancy Nebraska has to this thread, you either know why the hell they wre brought in the conversation, and were just playing stupid, or you are just simply stupid.

I thought the possibility existed that it was door #1, but I've come to the inevitable conclusion that it is undoubtedly door #2.

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:24 PM
We aren't far off, if at all, from those teams over the last few years and all of those teams are easier to recruit for.

I read somewhere Iowa was 7th but would you argue quality wise you guys are up there with those schools?

Chocolate Hog
03-25-2012, 06:25 PM
Good God, you stupid mother****er. I know Nebraska has nothing to do with it at all.

That is no the ****ing point you useless ****ing tool.

The point, you mouthbreather, is that, regardless of the relevancy Nebraska has to this thread, you either know why the hell they wre brought in the conversation, and were just playing stupid, or you are just simply stupid.

I thought the possibility existed that it was door #1, but I've come to the inevitable conclusion that it is undoubtedly door #2.

Cute Milkman is having another mental breakdown.

Phobia
03-25-2012, 06:25 PM
Billay is right, people.

Iowa players are the blue collar complementary players of the NFL.

You want a stud, you better get someone from the SEC or something.

Don't think anybody is claiming much different than that. Three Hawkeyes are in the HOF. That's not a lot. Iowa doesn't put a lot of sexy athletes into the NFL. They're usually big guys who labor in the trenches. You want a highlight inducing Sportscenter guy, look elsewhere.

Phobia
03-25-2012, 06:28 PM
So now we're moving the goal post and only going back 4 years.

Um. Typically a college player's career lasts 4 years. If you really want to compare which program is preparing players for the NFL then you look at how they're developed. A school that elevates a 3-star kid to NFL draftable is doing more with less when compared to a school that sends a 5-star kid to the NFL. Everybody already expects a 5-star kid to play on Sundays.

BossChief
03-25-2012, 06:32 PM
I read somewhere Iowa was 7th but would you argue quality wise you guys are up there with those schools?

Of course not. That's not the point.

Iowa gets the C-/B- guys and turns them into B+/A- guys with consistency.

Give Iowa two recruiting classes like Alabama or a similar schools and see what happens, though.

We have probably put more players in the NFL after being walk ons that about any other school.

mlyonsd
03-25-2012, 06:43 PM
I still don't understand the reason for bitching about the staff going to watch players WO. Fucking retarded.

Phobia
03-25-2012, 06:50 PM
We have probably put more players in the NFL after being walk ons that about any other school.

I don't know about that. Like who?

Hoover
03-25-2012, 06:59 PM
Dallas Clark was a walk on LB at Iowa.

He went in the first round of the draft.

Nuff said about the coaching there IMO.

NFL teams would be stupid not to go to Iowa City to look for bargains on draft day who will make solid pros.

Phobia
03-25-2012, 07:00 PM
Dallas Clark was a walk on LB at Iowa.

He went in the first round of the draft.

Nuff said about the coaching there IMO.

NFL teams would be stupid not to go to Iowa City to look for bargains on draft day who will make solid pros.

Well, yeah. But besides Clark.

aturnis
03-25-2012, 07:29 PM
As far as the Bob Sanders thing goes. Iowa has much to do with his success and little to do with his injury history. If you want to confirm whether or not he's a good player, why don't you reference the Colts w/l record while he was injured during his years as a big part of their defense.

Pawnmower
03-25-2012, 07:32 PM
Oh bullshit you white knight BossChief every chance you get he's said plenty of stupid shit and you've never called him out.

Thats because Bosschief swallows tho.