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Detoxing
06-13-2012, 09:41 AM
LMAO precious

Indeed.

8-8 Won the division last year. I hate the Donks and Manning as much as the next guy....but lets get real here....

Count Zarth
06-13-2012, 09:52 AM
"Oh yeah...you're looking GOOD Peyton."

http://i40.tinypic.com/34gaql1.jpg

Bumping this cus I can't stop thinking about it when i read the thread title.

Mile High Mania
06-13-2012, 10:13 AM
Last place schedule vs. first place schedule may make a difference.

We do this every year... last year, there wasn't a great deal of difference with the schedules of the AFCW teams, same for this year. Based on 2011, Denver has the 'first place' schedule while KC has the 'last place schedule'.

Take out the AFCW games...

Denver Home: Steelers, Texans, Saints, Bucs, Browns
KC Home: Falcons, Ravens, Bengals, Panthers, Colts

Denver Away: Falcons, Patriots, Bengals, Panthers, Ravens
KC Away: Bills, Saints, Bucs, Steelers, Browns

Texans at Denver vs Colts at KC
Denver at Patriots vs KC at Bills

Those are the main differences... KC gets the matchup edge there for sure, but there a lot of tough games for both teams.

tooge
06-13-2012, 10:40 AM
We do this every year... last year, there wasn't a great deal of difference with the schedules of the AFCW teams, same for this year. Based on 2011, Denver has the 'first place' schedule while KC has the 'last place schedule'.

Take out the AFCW games...

Denver Home: Steelers, Texans, Saints, Bucs, Browns
KC Home: Falcons, Ravens, Bengals, Panthers, Colts

Denver Away: Falcons, Patriots, Bengals, Panthers, Ravens
KC Away: Bills, Saints, Bucs, Steelers, Browns

Texans at Denver vs Colts at KC
Denver at Patriots vs KC at Bills

Those are the main differences... KC gets the matchup edge there for sure, but there a lot of tough games for both teams.


You are missing the bigger difference, and that is the fact that all of most of KC's tough opponents (ATL, BAL, CIN) they get at home, while Denver gets 4 of its 5 toughest on the road. That could be a two game swing right there.

vailpass
06-13-2012, 10:41 AM
You are missing the bigger difference, and that is the fact that all of most of KC's tough opponents (ATL, BAL, CIN) they get at home, while Denver gets 4 of its 5 toughest on the road. That could be a two game swing right there.

Matt Cassell

Rooster
06-13-2012, 10:51 AM
Matt Cassell

That's Pro Bowler Matt Cassell buddy. :D

vailpass
06-13-2012, 10:52 AM
That's Pro Bowler Matt Cassell buddy. :D

:D I stand corrected

Mile High Mania
06-13-2012, 11:34 AM
You are missing the bigger difference, and that is the fact that all of most of KC's tough opponents (ATL, BAL, CIN) they get at home, while Denver gets 4 of its 5 toughest on the road. That could be a two game swing right there.

Enh, I don't think I'd call it a monumental difference... especially with Peyton Freaking Manning. :harumph:

Garcia Bronco
06-13-2012, 11:36 AM
His OC of 13 years, yesterday said that Peyton looks like he does on June 12th of any year of his career. Good luck Chiefs

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-13-2012, 11:37 AM
Holy crap, I wasted 10K on this turd of a thread :facepalm:

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-13-2012, 11:39 AM
His OC of 13 years, yesterday said that Peyton looks like he does on June 12th of any year of his career. Good luck Chiefs

Congrats King of naive. They really have you guys buying into this and suckin down pitchers of Orange and Blueberry ROFL

Garcia Bronco
06-13-2012, 11:41 AM
Congrats King of naive. They really have you guys buying into this and suckin down pitchers of Orange and Blueberry ROFL

Don't worry friend. they'll be room on the bandwagon when the time comes.

vailpass
06-13-2012, 11:45 AM
Congrats King of naive. They really have you guys buying into this and suckin down pitchers of Orange and Blueberry ROFL

The guy who has Matt Cassell, Brian Dabboll and Romeo Crennell, hasn't won a playoff since leather helmets, has stood by and watched while Denver, San Diego and Oakland have gone to Superbowls, yet thinks he has the standing to run smack is calling someone naive?
LMAO

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-13-2012, 11:47 AM
The guy who has Matt Cassell, Brian Dabboll and Romeo Crennell, hasn't won a playoff since leather helmets, has stood by and watched while Denver, San Diego and Oakland have gone to Superbowls, yet thinks he has the standing to run smack is calling someone naive?
LMAO

I haven't done crap. I just watch the games...and laugh at delusional Bronco fans along the way.

Your boys need to "lube up". They are going to need it.

Garcia Bronco
06-13-2012, 11:55 AM
I haven't done crap. I just watch the games...and laugh at delusional Bronco fans along the way.

Your boys need to "lube up". They are going to need it.

You can bring your lube on the bandwagon. But we wait until we get home to have sex with our women. We don't typically do it in the parkinglot.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-13-2012, 11:56 AM
I thought you did that on the field? The cries of incomplete from unsatisifed women?

Mile High Mania
06-13-2012, 12:17 PM
...stood by and watched while Denver, San Diego and Oakland have gone to Superbowls...
LMAO

Don't forget about the Seahawks, they reached the SB after leaving the AFCW, but should be mentioned since they were in the AFCW back when KC toppled the Houston Oilers so many years ago.

Garcia Bronco
06-13-2012, 12:18 PM
I thought you did that on the field? The cries of incomplete from unsatisifed women?

that's a negative.

Rausch
06-13-2012, 12:25 PM
You can bring your lube on the bandwagon. But we wait until we get home to have sex with our women. We don't typically do it in the parkinglot.

ROFL

Von Dumbass
06-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Manning freezes the safety with a pump fake and then hits Demaryius Thomas on a 50 yard TD pass up the sideline. Dude is sick

https://twitter.com/BrandonSpano/status/212971508111388672

Nice 2 min drill for Manning - beautiful deep completions to Decker and Thomas, one each to right and left sidelines ‪#broncos

https://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/212971586888810496

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-13-2012, 12:32 PM
Sweet, Denver's D sucks again!!!

Arrow
06-13-2012, 02:51 PM
We're going to own the West this year!. WF has the Chargers (http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012sd.php)and the Broncos (http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012den.php)only going 8-8, and let's not even talk about the Raiders (http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012oak.php):P

Okie_Apparition
06-13-2012, 03:41 PM
The team will be tebowing for Prayaton Manning

Von Dumbass
06-13-2012, 04:06 PM
We're going to own the West this year!. WF has the Chargers (http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012sd.php)and the Broncos (http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012den.php)only going 8-8, and let's not even talk about the Raiders (http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012oak.php):P

The Donks are the only team in the division who upgraded their roster significantly this offseason. They also happen to be the reigning division champs. Predicting anybody else to win the division is foolish, IMO.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-13-2012, 04:10 PM
ROFL Ease up on the magic mushroom meatloaf. If Charles is healthy, KC sweeps Denver and Oakland last year. Hell, they'll probably do it this year if he's back to form. Most complete team in the division.

Von Dumbass
06-13-2012, 04:22 PM
ROFL Ease up on the magic mushroom meatloaf. If Charles is healthy, KC sweeps Denver and Oakland last year. Hell, they'll probably do it this year if he's back to form. Most complete team in the division.

Our Chiefs also have the worst QB in the division and one of the worst coaching staffs in the league. And when you factor in the Bowe drama, a new offense, and having three of our best players being unsure if they can trust their bodies after blowing their knees out, you have the recipe for an extremely frustrating season.

Backwards Masking
06-13-2012, 07:09 PM
Peyton can't play outdoors and is old with neck problems. He rode his defense and a BS roughing the passing call that won him the AFC Championship to his one super bowl win (going 3 -7 TD - INT ratio while at it).

Fuck denver, bronco homers and fuck peyton. he'll never be half the QB his Little Brother is.

BossChief
06-13-2012, 07:50 PM
The Donks are the only team in the division who upgraded their roster significantly this offseason. They also happen to be the reigning division champs. Predicting anybody else to win the division is foolish, IMO.

If this isnt in jest/attempt to troll, you aren't all there.

Charles
Berry
Moeaki
Boss
Hillis
Winston

That's 6 MASSIVE upgrades over what KC had at those spots last year and all of them look to play big roles right away.

BossChief
06-13-2012, 07:55 PM
If someone gets a little free time they should total up Peytons stats against Romeo teams over his career.

I looked at the last 3 or 4 games and it didn't look good for Manning.

In fact, he got owned.

Romeo has been like kryptonite to Manning.

Here's the thing...Romeo can turn Manning into Cassel, but I doubt he can turn Cassel into Manning.

SNR
06-13-2012, 07:59 PM
Our Chiefs also have the worst QB in the division and one of the worst coaching staffs in the league.I just figured it out.

You're a Clay mult.

Thank God. I've been trying to figure that one out for a few years now.

Von Dumbass
06-13-2012, 08:42 PM
If this isnt in jest/attempt to troll, you aren't all there.

Charles
Berry
Moeaki
Boss
Hillis
Winston

That's 6 MASSIVE upgrades over what KC had at those spots last year and all of them look to play big roles right away.

Getting injured players back doesn't count. Winston was a good get and Hillis and Boss are solid backups but I wouldn't say we significantly improved. I would say we stayed the same more than anything.


The Donk's signed a HOF QB and improved at corner, DT, TE, WR, and brought in Jack Del Rio to coach the defense. That is what I would call a significant improvement.

The Mayor
07-26-2012, 06:32 PM
@MikePereira: If a QB in shotgun formation thrusts his hands forward while taking a step, the snap must occur at the same time. If not its a false start.

@MikePereira: This is a point of emphasis and not a rule change. Peyton and many others that have imitated him must change their ways. Good emphasis.

They are going to start calling the QB false start again. Peyton does this a lot. I doubt they really call it on him though. They've changed enough rules on his behalf.

O.city
07-26-2012, 07:23 PM
Getting injured players back doesn't count. Winston was a good get and Hillis and Boss are solid backups but I wouldn't say we significantly improved. I would say we stayed the same more than anything.


The Donk's signed a HOF QB and improved at corner, DT, TE, WR, and brought in Jack Del Rio to coach the defense. That is what I would call a significant improvement.

Isn't Denver gettin an injured player back?


The fact that the shit you brought in at TE and DT is an improvement is laughable.

aturnis
07-27-2012, 12:14 AM
Getting injured players back doesn't count. Winston was a good get and Hillis and Boss are solid backups but I wouldn't say we significantly improved. I would say we stayed the same more than anything.


The Donk's signed a HOF QB and improved at corner, DT, TE, WR, and brought in Jack Del Rio to coach the defense. That is what I would call a significant improvement.

How doesn't it count? The boost this team gets from Charles, Berry and Moeaki is huge. The Chiefs almost won the division without them, they should fair pretty damned well with them.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 12:28 AM
How doesn't it count? The boost this team gets from Charles, Berry and Moeaki is huge. The Chiefs almost won the division without them, they should fair pretty damned well with them.

You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.

Count Zarth
07-27-2012, 12:31 AM
You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.

What? You don't think Jonathan Baldwin and Justin Houston are the second coming of Moss and Merriman?

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 12:37 AM
What? You don't think Jonathan Baldwin and Justin Houston are the second coming of Moss and Merriman?

It is kind of crazy how the Chiefs haven't improved at all in two years. The only area I can honestly say the Chiefs have improved is on the OL, because of Winston.

Ebolapox
07-27-2012, 12:43 AM
It is kind of crazy how the Chiefs haven't improved at all in two years. The only area I can honestly say the Chiefs have improved is on the OL, because of Winston.

ROFL

if you'd made the moves we've made, you'd be shitting your pants with delight.

Otter
07-27-2012, 12:45 AM
He looks like he could still swing the ball as long as he doesn't get hit. Tamba gonna smash that fool!!! The Joe Montana experiment part II.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 12:48 AM
ROFL

if you'd made the moves we've made, you'd be shitting your pants with delight.

What moves?

Who have you brought in that makes your team significantly better than it was in 2010?

The only difference between the 2010 Chiefs and the 2012 Chiefs in my eyes is that three of your best players are now coming off ACL tears.

Ebolapox
07-27-2012, 12:59 AM
What moves?

Who have you brought in that makes your team significantly better than it was in 2010?

The only difference between the 2010 Chiefs and the 2012 Chiefs in my eyes is that three of your best players are now coming off ACL tears.

justin houston, relieving pressure on hali by giving us a complementary pass-rusher

jon baldwin. you know, the rich man's demaryius thomas

eric winston for obvious reasons.

rodney hudson. you know, just possibly will shields v 2.0

dontari poe/jerrell powe. one of them will be a dominant NT, ya know

stanford routt. return him to a scheme that maximizes his talent.

allen bailey, the d-line depth you guys would cream your pants for.

ricky stanzi. you'll be WISHING you had stanzi in less than two years.

shane bannon. white fullbacks don't grow on trees, man. NOT ON TREES!

devon wylie. THE NEXT AND CURRENT WES WELKER

cyrus gray: BETTER THAN ANY OF YOUR RBS

choke on it, doucher. (and yes, this was the homer/smartass version of a knowmo post)

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 01:06 AM
But seriously, are the Chiefs a better team right now than they were in 2010?

I'm not trolling. I don't think they are. They had Weis, Crennel, and Haley in 2010 and have Crennel and Daboll now.

The Chiefs are better at WR now with Breaston but I'm not sold on Baldwin.

The Chiefs are better at RT but have a lot of young guys on the interior of the OL.

The defense is pretty much the same minus Carr...

I don't see a significant improvement. I see the same team.

Count Zarth
07-27-2012, 01:13 AM
Manning: He looks fantastic. I don't know what the complaints about him are or were, but his throws had zip, were on time and accurate. I counting three throws that were off. One was a little behind the receiver, one was an overthrow on an out to the running back, and the two others were a bit low.

I should point out again I didn't see every throw. I just saw four bad ones. There were an exceptionally large number of incredible ones. He checks down quickly. He looks players off and makes throws with his peripheral vision. His favorite targets are Tamme and Decker. More on those later. He stays in his pocket and steps into the rush to plant and make the throw. Manning is as advertised, or many NOT as advertised since all I've heard is he's weak, rusty and one hit from being a headless corpse. It was so weird seeing him under center. He made some really great throws.

Chiefs=Good
07-27-2012, 01:16 AM
But seriously, are the Chiefs a better team right now than they were in 2010?

I'm not trolling. I don't think they are. They had Weis, Crennel, and Haley in 2010 and have Crennel and Daboll now.

The Chiefs are better at WR now with Breaston but I'm not sold on Baldwin.

The Chiefs are better at RT but have a lot of young guys on the interior of the OL.

The defense is pretty much the same minus Carr...

I don't see a significant improvement. I see the same team.

Its understandable that you dont really have a good grasp on the chiefs.


I would argue that we are better at every single position. Not just through the adding of talent through free agency and the draft, but the development of our current players.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 01:32 AM
Its understandable that you dont really have a good grasp on the chiefs.


I would argue that we are better at every single position. Not just through the adding of talent through free agency and the draft, but the development of our current players.

You would know better than I would.

From the outside looking in, the Chiefs look the same to me.

ChiefAshhole20
07-27-2012, 02:23 AM
You would know better than I would.

From the outside looking in, the Chiefs look the same to me.

This team is far deeper and improved from the 2010 team. The only dropoff from 10 I would consider is the Carr/Routt. Which players from 10 would you put on this team now that would actually improve the talent? Starters or bench. Chris Chambers? Mike Vrabel? Ron Edwards? Tim Castile? Alex Magee??

Chronic
07-27-2012, 04:53 AM
But seriously, are the Chiefs a better team right now than they were in 2010?


I think they are, but not by much

They lost their starting center and playing a rookie there that has absolutey zero experience snapping balls in the NFL

They have a new OC- one that might possibly be as bad in his job as Cassell is, if that were ever possible

New HC

They lost Eric Carr and replaced him with the lead league penalty CB

Nobody knows exactly how well Charles is recovering-it appears Berry is on a faster recovering track than Charles

But as was mentioned before- The Chiefs defense was actually better last year when Berry was out than it was when he was playing in 2010

Much tougher schedule

To many question marks on the coaching staff

And finally

Matt Cassell -

I'd be surprised if the Chiefs won 2 of their 1st 6 games- that's a brutal 6 game stretch- I think the writers of KC will go to town on that team by week 7.. calling for Stanzi, is Crennell "over his head"?? etc.. they'll have a field day with the Chiefs in the press and it might take the wind outta that team by week 7 to effectively rebound by then

1-5 heading into the bye

Chronic
07-27-2012, 04:54 AM
Manning: He looks fantastic. I don't know what the complaints about him are or were, but his throws had zip, were on time and accurate. I counting three throws that were off. One was a little behind the receiver, one was an overthrow on an out to the running back, and the two others were a bit low.

.

Thats not difficult to accomplish when it's 7 on 7 drills and theres no pressure coming at him and he has all day to throw

3rd string QB's look great in those drills

The Mayor
07-27-2012, 05:17 AM
I think they are, but not by much

They lost their starting center and playing a rookie there that has absolutey zero experience snapping balls in the NFL

They have a new OC- one that might possibly be as bad in his job as Cassell is, if that were ever possible

New HC

They lost Eric Carr and replaced him with the lead league penalty CB

Nobody knows exactly how well Charles is recovering-it appears Berry is on a faster recovering track than Charles

But as was mentioned before- The Chiefs defense was actually better last year when Berry was out than it was when he was playing in 2010

Much tougher schedule

To many question marks on the coaching staff

And finally

Matt Cassell -

I'd be surprised if the Chiefs won 2 of their 1st 6 games- that's a brutal 6 game stretch- I think the writers of KC will go to town on that team by week 7.. calling for Stanzi, is Crennell "over his head"?? etc.. they'll have a field day with the Chiefs in the press and it might take the wind outta that team by week 7 to effectively rebound by then

1-5 heading into the bye

:spock: You've got to be kidding me. Eric Carr... Is he some 3rd stringer I forgot about?

warrior
07-27-2012, 05:51 AM
But seriously, are the Chiefs a better team right now than they were in 2010?

I'm not trolling. I don't think they are. They had Weis, Crennel, and Haley in 2010 and have Crennel and Daboll now.

The Chiefs are better at WR now with Breaston but I'm not sold on Baldwin.

The Chiefs are better at RT but have a lot of young guys on the interior of the OL.

The defense is pretty much the same minus Carr...

I don't see a significant improvement. I see the same team.







The only part of your post anyone could could agree with.

Predarat
07-27-2012, 06:40 AM
Hope he looks real good in the Press box after someone goes Nawlin Saints on his ass.

MahiMike
07-27-2012, 06:43 AM
Broncos finish dead last in the AFCW!

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-27-2012, 08:25 AM
You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.

ROFL You know nothing Jon Snowshon

Dante84
07-27-2012, 09:00 AM
Who the fuck is Eric Carr?

durtyrute
07-27-2012, 09:27 AM
ghey

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Dorsey, Shaun Smith, Jackson > Dorsey, Poe, Jackson

Hali, Belcher, DJ, Vrabel = Hali, Belicher, DJ, Houston

Flowers, Carr, Berry, McGraw? > Flowers, Routte, Berry, Lewis?

2010 OL < 2012 OL
2010 WR < 2012 WR (If Bowe shows)
2010 RB's = 2012 RB's
2010 QB > 2012 QB

2010 coaching staff > 2012 coaching staff

CoMoChief
07-27-2012, 09:57 AM
Dorsey, Shaun Smith, Jackson > Dorsey, Poe, Jackson

Hali, Belcher, DJ, Vrabel = Hali, Belicher, DJ, Houston

Flowers, Carr, Berry, McGraw? > Flowers, Routte, Berry, Lewis?

2010 OL < 2012 OL
2010 WR < 2012 WR (If Bowe shows)
2010 RB's = 2012 RB's
2010 QB > 2012 QB

2010 coaching staff > 2012 coaching staff

You think slow dick Vrabel is better than Houston? LMAO

and just the fact of not having McGraw back there in the secondary makes this year's secondary better than 2010.

Oline is better

Hillis > Jones

Radar Chief
07-27-2012, 10:00 AM
Who the **** is Eric Carr?

Mark Castle sucks.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 10:01 AM
You think slow dick Vrabel is better than Houston? LMAO

and just the fact of not having McGraw back there in the secondary makes this year's secondary better than 2010.

Oline is better

Hillis > Jones

I said the 2010 LB's are = 2012 LB's

Carr > Routte 2010 Berry > 2012 Berry

2010 Charles > 2012 Charles

saphojunkie
07-27-2012, 10:02 AM
I said the 2010 LB's are = 2012 LB's




2010 Hali < 2012 Hali
2010 DJ <<<< 2012 DJ
2010 Belcher < 2012 Belcher
Vrabel < Houston (lol thinking otherwise)

While we're at it,

2010 Dorsey < 2012 Dorsey
2010 Jackson < 2012 Jackson
Shaun Smith ? Poe


2010 Berr ? 2012 Berry - Berry's rookie season he missed a ton of assignments, especially on tight ends.

MagicHef
07-27-2012, 10:04 AM
But seriously, are the Chiefs a better team right now than they were in 2010?

I'm not trolling. I don't think they are. They had Weis, Crennel, and Haley in 2010 and have Crennel and Daboll now.

The Chiefs are better at WR now with Breaston but I'm not sold on Baldwin.

The Chiefs are better at RT but have a lot of young guys on the interior of the OL.

The defense is pretty much the same minus Carr...

I don't see a significant improvement. I see the same team.

I went through the roster of 2010 and the expected roster for 2012 and compared PFF ratings at positions where the players are changing, using last year's rating for the upcoming season. There are five positions where the Chiefs are improved a lot, and five where the 2010 Chiefs were better. 2 of the latter were rookies last year, so improvement is certainly possible.

Improved:
Richardson->Winston +21.2
Vrabel->Houston +14.1
Chambers->Breaston +10.2
Jones->Hillis +7.4
Pope->Boss +6.2

Degraded:
Carr->Routt -15.3
Gilberry->Bailey -7.6 (Rookie last year)
Edwards->Gordon -6.4 (I don't know who will be NT, but I wouldn't expect much more than average play there, at least for Poe's rookie season, and Gordon was almost exactly average last year)
Waters->Asamoah -6.2
Copper->Baldwin -5 (Rookie last year)

I think the Chiefs will be improved, especially on offense. I wouldn't be surprised if the D slips a little from 2010, both because of Routt and because Hali and Flowers put in ridiculous performances in 2010 that neither repeated in 2011. I don't know if they'll stay at their current level (which is still very good) or return to their absurdly good level of 2010.

Radar Chief
07-27-2012, 10:04 AM
2010 Dorsey < 2012 Dorsey
2010 Jackson < 2012 Jackson
Shaun Smith ? Poe

Poe is gonna have to get out there and rip someone’s junk off before I’ll say he’s better than Sean Smith.

lcarus
07-27-2012, 10:08 AM
We still have yet to see if Purdue Routt is better than Eric Carr.

Lzen
07-27-2012, 10:10 AM
You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.

Is it possible for this guy to say anything dumber (is that a word?)?

Count Zarth
07-27-2012, 10:11 AM
I think the Chiefs will be improved, especially on offense. I wouldn't be surprised if the D slips a little from 2010, both because of Routt and because Hali and Flowers put in ridiculous performances in 2010 that neither repeated in 2011. I don't know if they'll stay at their current level (which is still very good) or return to their absurdly good level of 2010.

You have to account for facing a vastly increased level of competition, though.

This team, with our present starting QB, played 4 winning teams the last two years. And lost to nearly all of them?

We're in for a giant fucking wake up call.

Lzen
07-27-2012, 10:19 AM
I think they are, but not by much

They lost their starting center and playing a rookie there that has absolutey zero experience snapping balls in the NFL

They have a new OC- one that might possibly be as bad in his job as Cassell is, if that were ever possible

New HC

They lost Eric Carr and replaced him with the lead league penalty CB

Nobody knows exactly how well Charles is recovering-it appears Berry is on a faster recovering track than Charles

But as was mentioned before- The Chiefs defense was actually better last year when Berry was out than it was when he was playing in 2010

Much tougher schedule

To many question marks on the coaching staff

And finally

Matt Cassell -

I'd be surprised if the Chiefs won 2 of their 1st 6 games- that's a brutal 6 game stretch- I think the writers of KC will go to town on that team by week 7.. calling for Stanzi, is Crennell "over his head"?? etc.. they'll have a field day with the Chiefs in the press and it might take the wind outta that team by week 7 to effectively rebound by then

1-5 heading into the bye

- Rodney Hudson is not a rookie. He played some last year. And he actually played better than Weigman.

- Eric Carr? I didn't realize the former Kiss drummer was a free agent. But seriously, yeah, that could be an issue. I think it's a drop in talent, but not as much as some may believe.

- Chiefs defense got into a groove down the stretch of the season last year, but they were terrible early on. And even in November against Denver, they were not good. Making Houston the starter was a major improvement. Also, remember that Berry was a rookie in 2010. He is a veteran now and that should only help, IMO. Still, I would like to see a statistical comparison to prove that you're not just talking out of your butt.

- I would agree about the question marks on the coaching staff. But I don't believe anyone (not you or anybody else) knows for sure how that's gonna work out. So that's not a real argument, IMO.

MagicHef
07-27-2012, 11:59 AM
You have to account for facing a vastly increased level of competition, though.

This team, with our present starting QB, played 4 winning teams the last two years. And lost to nearly all of them?

We're in for a giant ****ing wake up call.

4 winning teams out of 32 games? How is that even possible?

I did the same for the 2011 Broncos vs 2012 Broncos:

Tebow->Manning +44
Fells->Dreessen +23.2
Bunkley->Bannan -15.3

I'm very excited for this season.

lcarus
07-27-2012, 12:04 PM
Manning's arm looks like my grandma's neck. Good luck with that.

Chocolate Hog
07-27-2012, 12:14 PM
Manning can't comeback from injury but Charles, Moaki, and Berry can. Makes sense.

Brock
07-27-2012, 12:19 PM
dude looks old.

vailpass
07-27-2012, 12:27 PM
Manning's arm looks like my grandma's neck. Good luck with that.

Matt Cassell.

lcarus
07-27-2012, 12:37 PM
Matt Cassell.

will hand the ball off to Charles and Hillis all day and we'll win

vailpass
07-27-2012, 12:44 PM
will hand the ball off to Charles and Hillis all day and we'll win

You guys gonna' wear leather helmets and dropkick the extra point too?

Red Beans
07-27-2012, 12:46 PM
Manning can't comeback from injury but Charles, Moaki, and Berry can. Makes sense.

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-King-
07-27-2012, 01:06 PM
Manning can't comeback from injury but Charles, Moaki, and Berry can. Makes sense.

Recovering from an ACL tear in your early 20s>> recovering from 4(or was it 5?) neck surgeries in your late 30s

MagicHef
07-27-2012, 01:11 PM
Recovering from an ACL tear in your early 20s>> recovering from 4(or was it 5?) neck surgeries in your late 30s

It's not his neck that is even a possible problem. It's his arm strength that is the issue, due to the pinched nerve. The nerve didn't get pinched in the 2010-2011 offseason, Manning has actually been playing with the pinched nerve since probably 2009. Pretending that he will play worse now that he has had the issue addressed than he did when it was bothering him the most is silly.

Marcellus
07-27-2012, 01:12 PM
Recovering from an ACL tear in your early 20s>> recovering from 4(or was it 5?) neck surgeries in your late 30s

This has already been covered in another thread. Billay is trying to be OTWP who is the person who originally made that statement.

Ted Theodore Logan
07-27-2012, 01:13 PM
Are they ever gonna send a pass rush at him...

stonedstooge
07-27-2012, 01:16 PM
It's not his neck that is even a possible problem. It's his arm strength that is the issue, due to the pinched nerve. The nerve didn't get pinched in the 2010-2011 offseason, Manning has actually been playing with the pinched nerve since probably 2009. Pretending that he will play worse now that he has had the issue addressed than he did when it was bothering him the most is silly.

Fixing the site of the problem doesn't ensure that the nerve will regenerate and function at 100% again.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 01:17 PM
Recovering from an ACL tear in your early 20s>> recovering from 4(or was it 5?) neck surgeries in your late 30s

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/46003/video-on-peyton-mannings-injury

Watch the video. The neck is not an issue. He will not suffer a neck injury. The only concern was nerve regeneration. The nerves have regenerated. Peyton Manning is back.

Chronic
07-27-2012, 01:18 PM
- . He played some last year. And he actually played better than Weigman.
.

Wut?

U drunk

Hudson didnt play center last year ya dummah

He filled in for Lilja at guard

Detoxing
07-27-2012, 01:18 PM
Have no fear Chiefs fans, yeah, cuz The Macho Man is gonna snap Manning's neck like a Slim Jim, oooh yeeeah

CoMoChief
07-27-2012, 01:18 PM
I fully expect Peyton Manning to be Peyton Manning.

Thus Denver will probably win the division....he's just that good, and it saddens me that he's a Bronco, esp since the Chiefs and 49ers were his 2 best options for a legit SB run.

MagicHef
07-27-2012, 01:20 PM
Fixing the site of the problem doesn't ensure that the nerve will regenerate and function at 100% again.

True. It doesn't guarantee that he will improve. But there's no reason to think he would be worse than 2009 or 2010.

Hog Farmer
07-27-2012, 01:20 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/46003/video-on-peyton-mannings-injury

Watch the video. The neck is going to be an issue. He will suffer another neck injury when Tamba body slams his ass . The only concern was nerve regeneration. The nerves have regenerated. Peyton Manning is going to go down before game six.


:D

Ted Theodore Logan
07-27-2012, 01:22 PM
So when do they plan to send pressure at him while he throws for the media?

Bowser
07-27-2012, 01:22 PM
Have no fear Chiefs fans, yeah, cuz The Macho Man is gonna snap Manning's neck like a Slim Jim, oooh yeeeah

From here forward, you must start all posts with "You know, McMahon....."

The Mayor
07-27-2012, 01:24 PM
Wut?

U drunk

Hudson didnt play center last year ya dummah

He filled in for Lilja at guard

What is wrong with you? Seriously.

The Mayor
07-27-2012, 01:27 PM
Watch the video. The neck is not an issue. He will not suffer a neck injury. The only concern was nerve regeneration. The nerves have regenerated. Peyton Manning is back.

The neck doesn't have to be the issue. He is going to get hit hard in the shoulder, arm, knees, etc. At his age, each time he hits the ground may mean 2-3 games on the sideline. It will happen.

notorious
07-27-2012, 01:27 PM
Yay, here's to watching Peyton sing out a bunch of horseshit at the line before the snap, watching the Denver O-Line tackle the pass rush, and defensive holding or illegal contact if a DB farts on the receiver.

:facepalm:

I am already getting pissed at the unavoidable.

Ebolapox
07-27-2012, 01:28 PM
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Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 01:31 PM
The neck doesn't have to be the issue. He is going to get hit hard in the shoulder, arm, knees, etc. At his age, each time he hits the ground may mean 2-3 games on the sideline. It will happen.

Prior to having surgery Peyton Manning never missed a start in the NFL. Manning will be fine. I am not worried at all about his health. I would not be surprised if he played out the entire contract and if he doesn't it will be because he wanted to retire after winning the Super Bowl, not because he got injured.

The Mayor
07-27-2012, 01:35 PM
Prior to having surgery Peyton Manning never missed a start in the NFL. Manning will be fine. I am not worried at all about his health. I would not be surprised if he played out the entire contract and if he doesn't it will be because he wanted to retire after winning the Super Bowl, not because he got injured.

He can't win another ring with a white coach.

Chocolate Hog
07-27-2012, 01:40 PM
This has already been covered in another thread. Billay is trying to be OTWP who is the person who originally made that statement.

It's true though and it's funny how the neck wasn't a problem when it looked like the Chiefs were going to go after him.

Bowser
07-27-2012, 01:42 PM
Prior to having surgery Peyton Manning never missed a start in the NFL. Manning will be fine. I am not worried at all about his health. I would not be surprised if he played out the entire contract and if he doesn't it will be because he wanted to retire after winning the Super Bowl, not because he got injured.

Bullshit. You'll be extremely suprised.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 01:44 PM
Bullshit. You'll be extremely suprised.

I honestly believe that if Peyton Manning had his way he would play until he was 50. All he cares about is football.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-27-2012, 01:45 PM
Prior to having surgery Peyton Manning never missed a start in the NFL. Manning will be fine. I am not worried at all about his health. I would not be surprised if he played out the entire contract and if he doesn't it will be because he wanted to retire after winning the Super Bowl, not because he got injured.

If your oline can't protect a mobile QB in Tim Tebow, how do you expect Mr. Statue to keep standing in one piece (pun intended) back there?

The Mayor
07-27-2012, 01:46 PM
I honestly believe that if Peyton Manning had his way he would play until he was 50. All he cares about is football.

Did you guys discuss this over a beer or something?

Chiefs Pantalones
07-27-2012, 01:46 PM
And you know the Raiders are gonna try to fucking kill him.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 01:51 PM
If your oline can't protect a mobile QB in Tim Tebow, how do you expect Mr. Statue to keep standing in one piece (pun intended) back there?

no QB held onto the ball as long as Tebow (3.7 seconds average time in pocket)

https://twitter.com/ProFootbalFocus/status/227388216758644737

Bowser
07-27-2012, 01:51 PM
I honestly believe that if Peyton Manning had his way he would play until he was 50. All he cares about is football.

Well, yeah. Name me one player not named JaMarcus Russell that wouldn't want to play until they're 50.

Christ, Ryan Sims is still in the league....

Chronic
07-27-2012, 01:54 PM
And you know the Raiders are gonna try to ****ing kill him.


Break a b*tch neck

Chiefs Pantalones
07-27-2012, 01:54 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootbalFocus/status/227388216758644737

Eye test. Defensive lines were getting penetration quickly against your line, I don't care what a stat says.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 01:54 PM
Well, yeah. Name me one player not named JaMarcus Russell that wouldn't want to play until they're 50.

Christ, Ryan Sims is still in the league....

I'm just saying, nobody loves playing football more than Peyton Manning. He is not your normal NFL player.

Bowser
07-27-2012, 01:55 PM
I'm just saying, nobody loves playing football more than Peyton Manning. He is not your normal NFL player.

I won't argue that. Unfortunately for him, his neck is not like the neck of a normal NFL player, and he ain't gonna see the end of that contract.

Just Passin' By
07-27-2012, 01:58 PM
Prior to having surgery Peyton Manning never missed a start in the NFL. Manning will be fine. I am not worried at all about his health. I would not be surprised if he played out the entire contract and if he doesn't it will be because he wanted to retire after winning the Super Bowl, not because he got injured.

Manning's numbers were in decline before the injury, and he's now older, old for the game, and with a missed entire season. Charles, Moeaki and Berry don't fit into that same category.

Sofa King
07-27-2012, 01:59 PM
Well, yeah. Name me one player not named JaMarcus Russell that wouldn't want to play until they're 50.

Christ, Ryan Sims is still in the league....

No he's not. Stop making stuff up, brother.

Bowser
07-27-2012, 02:01 PM
No he's not. Stop making stuff up, brother.

This is what I do when Hulkamania tries to spew bullshit all over you...

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryansims/2505225/profile

The Mayor
07-27-2012, 02:02 PM
Hulkamania must have been thinking about Chester McGlockton.

Sofa King
07-27-2012, 02:05 PM
This is what I do when Hulkamania tries to spew bullshit all over you...

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryansims/2505225/profile

Seattle Seahawks
Sims signed with the Seattle Seahawks on July 31, 2011, but was released on August 20.

lcarus
07-27-2012, 02:09 PM
You guys gonna' wear leather helmets and dropkick the extra point too?

If we have to. We're gonna bring back the old days of pounding the rock all day and playing stout defense. All that slingin the ball around the yard all day is great for the arena league.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1x1mvb2W23Q/SYHo850oINI/AAAAAAAAAh8/MOulOR4ng1U/s400/edwards.jpg

Sofa King
07-27-2012, 02:09 PM
Hulkamania must have been thinking about Chester McGlockton.

Improper use of the word Hulkamania.

And i was right, brother.

Bowser
07-27-2012, 02:10 PM
Seattle Seahawks
Sims signed with the Seattle Seahawks on July 31, 2011, but was released on August 20.

He re-signed three days ago.

Sofa King
07-27-2012, 02:13 PM
He re-signed three days ago.

This is the 90's, he hasn't even been drafted yet.

Brock
07-27-2012, 02:13 PM
He re-signed three days ago.

Dude, quit it, he's going to hulk up on you.

Von Dumbass
07-27-2012, 02:19 PM
Manning's numbers were in decline before the injury, and he's now older, old for the game, and with a missed entire season. Charles, Moeaki and Berry don't fit into that same category.

He was playing with the injury for two or three years and has since had it fixed. He could actually play better than he has in years. Brady missed a year in his 30's and has came back strong.

vailpass
07-27-2012, 02:25 PM
If we have to. We're gonna bring back the old days of pounding the rock all day and playing stout defense. All that slingin the ball around the yard all day is great for the arena league.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1x1mvb2W23Q/SYHo850oINI/AAAAAAAAAh8/MOulOR4ng1U/s400/edwards.jpg

:D I hear you Coach Edwards.

Just Passin' By
07-27-2012, 02:27 PM
He was playing with the injury for two or three years and has since had it fixed. He could actually play better than he has in years. Brady missed a year in his 30's and has came back strong.

What he "could" do isn't the issue. The issue is the stupidity of trying to equate Manning's situation to those of Moeaki, Charles and Berry.

KC Tattoo
07-27-2012, 02:28 PM
Yo Macho Man Randy Savage, I think Peyton Mannings neck is going snap like a Slim Jim.

vailpass
07-27-2012, 02:30 PM
What he "could" do isn't the issue. The issue is the stupidity of trying to equate Manning's situation to those of Moeaki, Charles and Berry.

All 4 of them sustained injuries that could mean they will never be the player they used to be. All 4 of them could come back and play at the high level to which they are accustomed. Nobody, including the players and trainers, will know how it turns out until the season begins to unfold.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-27-2012, 02:34 PM
Only one is nearing AARP age however

Nightfyre
07-27-2012, 02:43 PM
You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.

Retarded post of the year goes to Knowmo.

vailpass
07-27-2012, 02:47 PM
Only one is nearing AARP age however

Definitely. In addition to his injuries age and not having played for a year are Peyton's enemies

Bacillus Anthracis
07-27-2012, 03:26 PM
He was playing with the injury for two or three years and has since had it fixed. He could actually play better than he has in years. Brady missed a year in his 30's and has came back strong.

That's a piss poor analogy. Two totally different injuries and Brady wasn't 36. He was 29; and he was coming back to the exact same team.

If the Indianapolis organization would have believed him to be as capable as ever after sitting out for a year, they would have kept him. They knew his situation better than anyone and chose to let him go and start over from scratch. You don't do that when you have a quarterback that's still one of the best in the game. So it's reasonable to think that Manning will come back as a shadow of his former self like Namath did with the Rams.

As far as nerve damage healing, the only one who really knows is Manning. He's the type of player who would never admit that he's not 100% unless medical science could prove it. He'll go down flailing the ball like a 4 year old girl before he ever admits he's not the player he once was.

If he returns to form, fine. But the chances that he capable of taking an otherwise bad team to the Superbowl are slim at best.

Count Zarth
07-28-2012, 11:52 PM
Welp, season's over.

Eric Decker squared off against the one and only Champ Bailey, giving fans the perfect early setup: Hall of Fame quarterback vs. Hall of Fame cornerback, with the former’s favorite target in between.

The setup didn’t disappoint. Decker ran deep down the right sideline, getting a step on Bailey as Manning threw for the end zone. The two connected for the touchdown right in front of the fans, who went absolutely wild.

RunKC
07-29-2012, 12:19 AM
But seriously, are the Chiefs a better team right now than they were in 2010?

I'm not trolling. I don't think they are. They had Weis, Crennel, and Haley in 2010 and have Crennel and Daboll now.

The Chiefs are better at WR now with Breaston but I'm not sold on Baldwin.

The Chiefs are better at RT but have a lot of young guys on the interior of the OL.

The defense is pretty much the same minus Carr...

I don't see a significant improvement. I see the same team.

1.WR is vastly improved. Breaston and Baldwin are huge improvements.
2.Winston is obviously better.
3.Peyton Hillis is hands down better than Thomas Jones and it's not close.
4.Justin Houstin is also hands down better than Vrabel in both run defense and the pass rush.
5. DJ and Tamba had their best years as a pro last season. They are better then they were in 2010.
6. Losing Carr hurts, but in 2010 Carr wasn't a finished product yet til the end of the season. Let us remember that in 2010 Routt was just as good as Carr at the 2 spot.
7. Allen Bailey and Dontari Poe will easily be better than Shaun Ballgrabber Smith.
8. 2012 team is much deeper than 2010. Guys like Kevin Boss, Jeff Allen, Tony Ugoh, Abram Elam, Jalil Brown, Ricky Stanzi/Brady Quinn, Allen Bailey,and Amon Gordon give this team some great insurance in case of injury.
8. Key playmakers like Kendrick Lewis, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, Javier Arenas, and Brandon Flowers are far more developed players than they were in 2010.

The only thing the 2010 team had that was better was a great OC. That's it.

Pawnmower
07-29-2012, 12:24 AM
1.WR is vastly improved. Breaston and Baldwin are huge improvements.
2.Winston is obviously better.
3.Peyton Hillis is hands down better than Thomas Jones and it's not close.
4.Justin Houstin is also hands down better than Vrabel in both run defense and the pass rush.
5. DJ and Tamba had their best years as a pro last season. They are better then they were in 2010.
6. Losing Carr hurts, but in 2010 Carr wasn't a finished product yet til the end of the season. Let us remember that in 2010 Routt was just as good as Carr at the 2 spot.
7. Allen Bailey and Dontari Poe will easily be better than Shaun Ballgrabber Smith.
8. 2012 team is much deeper than 2010. Guys like Kevin Boss, Jeff Allen, Tony Ugoh, Abram Elam, Jalil Brown, Ricky Stanzi/Brady Quinn, Allen Bailey,and Amon Gordon give this team some great insurance in case of injury.
8. Key playmakers like Kendrick Lewis, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, Javier Arenas, and Brandon Flowers are far more developed players than they were in 2010.

The only thing the 2010 team had that was better was a great OC. That's it.

I pretty much agree with everything on this list except #6......I think ROutt will be a downgrade, but hopefully not too much.

Also, #1 could be really shitty if D.Bowe does something stupid like say V.jackson and holds out.

TE should be good too, with Moe and Boss...

You left out our hugely improved FB position 8-)

Fruit Ninja
07-29-2012, 12:26 AM
Yup and that great OC. Got his shit pushed in in the play offs. Outside of that Charles run. It was as bad as I have ever seen.

Big Smoke
07-29-2012, 12:29 AM
Welp, season's over.

Welp, Champ Bailey is old.

Pawnmower
07-29-2012, 12:49 AM
Yup and that great OC. Got his shit pushed in in the play offs. Outside of that Charles run. It was as bad as I have ever seen.

Weiss left before the playoff game, IIRC.

MagicHef
07-29-2012, 01:18 AM
5. DJ and Tamba had their best years as a pro last season. They are better then they were in 2010.
8. Key playmakers like Kendrick Lewis, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, Javier Arenas, and Brandon Flowers are far more developed players than they were in 2010.

Both Hali and Flowers were significantly better in 2010 than they were in 2011. In Hali's case, it's not even close. Hali played out of his mind in 2010.

SNR
07-29-2012, 01:44 AM
Weiss left before the playoff game, IIRC.

He stuck around. But, yeah. He had mentally checked out a long time ago as soon as he was considering that job.

Pawnmower
07-29-2012, 01:48 AM
He stuck around. But, yeah. He had mentally checked out a long time ago as soon as he was considering that job.

Ahh.I seem to remember him not calling the plays, but hell, I dont want to remember that game...

Even the Raiders game before that was terrible.

FML

RunKC
07-29-2012, 01:48 AM
Both Hali and Flowers were significantly better in 2010 than they were in 2011. In Hali's case, it's not even close. Hali played out of his mind in 2010.

You can make a case for Flowers but not Tamba. Tamba was much better against the run in 2011 than any year he's played.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-29-2012, 11:37 AM
Welp, season's over.

Sweet. I figured Chump was washed up and this confirms it. :)

MagicHef
07-29-2012, 08:11 PM
You can make a case for Flowers but not Tamba. Tamba was much better against the run in 2011 than any year he's played.

You said "best year as a pro," not "best year as a pro against the run."

Brock
07-29-2012, 08:14 PM
He stuck around. But, yeah. He had mentally checked out a long time ago as soon as he was considering that job.

Bullcrap.

JASONSAUTO
07-29-2012, 08:21 PM
4 winning teams out of 32 games? How is that even possible?

I did the same for the 2011 Broncos vs 2012 Broncos:

Tebow->Manning +44
Fells->Dreessen +23.2
Bunkley->Bannan -15.3

I'm very excited for this season. Manning was that much higher than tebow in a season he DIDN'T PLAY?
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The Bad Guy
07-29-2012, 08:36 PM
Yo Macho Man Randy Savage, I think Peyton Mannings neck is going snap like a Slim Jim.

How dare you steal my Chiefs Planet identity.

lcarus
07-29-2012, 08:39 PM
You said "best year as a pro," not "best year as a pro against the run."

Maybe it was just me, but it seems Hali got held a fuck ton last season. I'm sure teams keyed up on him more last year than in 2010. Hopefully Houston continues to improve and teams won't be able to do that as much. Because before Houston emerged, Hali was our ONLY pass rusher worth a shit.

MagicHef
07-29-2012, 10:04 PM
Manning was that much higher than tebow in a season he DIDN'T PLAY?
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That's from 2010. Just like Moeaki, Charles, and Berry.

malachi47000
07-30-2012, 06:48 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/30/peyton-still-not-dialing-it-up-deep/

Peyton still not dialing it up deep
Posted by Evan Silva on July 30, 2012, 8:14 AM EDT
Peyton Manning AP

Broncos fans welcomed Peyton Manning to his first training camp in Denver with record attendance and all kinds of excitement. He has energized the organization and its fan base. But as we alluded to in our Denver Broncos season preview, unanswered questions about the 36-year-old quarterback remain.

Manning, who underwent four separate neck surgeries between March 2 of 2010 and September 9 of 2011, didn’t do a whole lot of deep-ball passing in OTAs and minicamps. In early July, Mike Klis of the Denver Post guessed Manning was 85 to 90 percent healthy, before suggesting Peyton might never rediscover the remaining 10 to 15 percent. Manning’s arm strength is a question mark, and he hasn’t answered it yet in training camp.

“Manning has looked better than most people believed he would so far,” ESPN’s Josina Anderson reported on SportsCenter Monday morning. ”But here is a little bit of context: Yes, he’s looked good at the line of scrimmage. His balls have had zip. And the majority of them have been caught. But most of those balls have been short and intermediate, with only a handful of them long.”

Manning is on a pitch count in camp, and it sounds like one of his limitations is a cap on deep-ball tries. So while the entirety of Denver is thrilled with its new quarterback, fans and league observers may not know the extent of what remains in Manning’s tank until he plays extensively in a preseason game.

The Broncos’ exhibition opener is set for Thursday, August 9 at Chicago.

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Looks as if Peyton isn't going to come back to 100%. Hope he fails!!!

Von Dumbass
07-30-2012, 07:03 AM
Looks as if Peyton isn't going to come back to 100%. Hope he fails!!!

Manning was peppering passes to the sideline, showing good zip and velocity on his throws. Most throws were tight spirals and his arm didn’t show any sign of fatigue. Manning even threw across the field to WR Demaryius Thomas on an out route. That is arguably the second most difficult throw to make in the NFL (behind the 25-yard deep comeback). He showed great control on his passes, often putting the ball on the correct shoulder in stride.

Another clinic by Manning, although Champ Bailey had a stronger performance today. Ran great play fakes, and was able to draw the defense offsides with his barking cadence many times. Throws a nice fade route in the back corner of the end zone and guys like Joel Dreesen, Eric Decker, Jacob Tamme, and Demaryius Thomas took advantage. The wind started gusting towards the end of practice and Manning was still zipping the ball around the field. Manning trusts his arm, and will throw into incredibly tight windows.

Peyton Manning – Had to move inside to the practice bubble because of the lightning, and Manning put on a show. Any questions about his arm strength were squelched (again) when he overthrew Jason Hill on a ‘9’ route down the left sideline. He is able to get the defense to jump offsides with his commanding cadence, and did a nice job adjusting to what he saw pre-snap. Executed a picture perfect play action pass to Eric Decker. Pass sailed about 45-yards and split two defenders for the TD. Manning’s window was less than the size of a basketball hoop but he put it right in Decker’s hands, splitting Tracy Porter and Quinton Carter. Plenty of zip on his passes to Demaryius Thomas all over the field. Fantastic day from Manning, Thomas, and Decker.

....

mr. tegu
07-31-2012, 11:10 AM
"Where I'll be, percentage-wise, I don't know,'' Manning told me. "I don't know if I'll feel the way I've always felt again. Everybody wonders, 'Can he get back to where he was?' That bar was set pretty high. Now, my goal is to feel as good as I possibly can -- right now.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/07/29/mmqb/1.html

It sounds like Manning is trying to prepare everyone by tempering their expectations. No arm strength means no deep ball which means Berry and every other safety can play that much closer to the line of scrimmage.

tooge
07-31-2012, 11:14 AM
You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.

OMG. Can we finally ban this clown. This is trolling, delerium, or simple insanity and it is starting to ruin the otherwise generally logical thinking process on this bb.

Von Dumbass
07-31-2012, 11:16 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/07/29/mmqb/1.html

It sounds like Manning is trying to prepare everyone by tempering their expectations. No arm strength means no deep ball which means Berry and every other safety can play that much closer to the line of scrimmage.

Would you consider 40 yards through the air a deep ball? Because he has completed at least one 40 yard pass in each training camp practice.

mr. tegu
07-31-2012, 11:21 AM
Would you consider 40 yards through the air a deep ball? Because he has completed at least one 40 yard pass in each training camp practice.

No. Also, its not just about throwing it deep yardage wise, its about having velocity and strength to get it there quicker and on a lower trajectory. Denver doesn't have burners at WR so he will have to throw perfect passes that get their quickly to get downfield completions. The longer the ball takes to get there, the easier it is for the secondary to adjust and break up the play.

CoMoChief
07-31-2012, 11:21 AM
OMG. Can we finally ban this clown. This is trolling, delerium, or simple insanity and it is starting to ruin the otherwise generally logical thinking process on this bb.

i think he's funny. might possibly be the dumbest person in the history of the internet.

CoMoChief
07-31-2012, 11:21 AM
Would you consider 40 yards through the air a deep ball? Because he has completed at least one 40 yard pass in each training camp practice.

For Cassel it would be.

vailpass
07-31-2012, 11:54 AM
No. Also, its not just about throwing it deep yardage wise, its about having velocity and strength to get it there quicker and on a lower trajectory. Denver doesn't have burners at WR so he will have to throw perfect passes that get their quickly to get downfield completions. The longer the ball takes to get there, the easier it is for the secondary to adjust and break up the play.

It is amusing to watch Chief's fan critique our used Bentley as he rolls by in his Yugo.

Von Dumbass
07-31-2012, 12:06 PM
No. Also, its not just about throwing it deep yardage wise, its about having velocity and strength to get it there quicker and on a lower trajectory. Denver doesn't have burners at WR so he will have to throw perfect passes that get their quickly to get downfield completions. The longer the ball takes to get there, the easier it is for the secondary to adjust and break up the play.

He can still throw with velocity deep. Every report I have read has said all of his passes have zip.

And if you look at Manning's stats he has only thrown 8 balls that have traveled 40 yards or longer since 2007. That averages out to two a season. No. Big. Deal.

In Peyton's best year as a pro ( the one where he threw 49 TD's) he only threw 1 pass that traveled over 40 yards.

Garcia Bronco
07-31-2012, 12:09 PM
Give it up Chiefs fans. He's good and he's on our team. Best of luck on the season. I hope we're all strong to produce the best come the post season.

WV
07-31-2012, 12:09 PM
It is amusing to watch Chief's fan critique our used Bentley as he rolls by in his Yugo.

**** you for your accurate description!!! :cuss:

I still hope Manning breaks down though. :D

SNR
07-31-2012, 12:10 PM
Bullcrap.

The unprepared nature of the offense is whose fault then? Haley's?

They got their shit pushed in against Oakland and Baltimore. Two fucking home games. Games in which our 6.0+ YPC running back wasn't handed the ball NEARLY enough times.

vailpass
07-31-2012, 12:12 PM
**** you for your accurate description!!! :cuss:

I still hope Manning breaks down though. :D

I hear you. Can't wait for the first pre-season game so we can start seeing some football.

InChiefsHell
07-31-2012, 12:13 PM
It is amusing to watch Chief's fan critique our used Bentley as he rolls by in his Yugo.

Oh yeah? Well...when a Bentley breaks down, it's like really really expensive to fix...so...yeah...

Sofa King
07-31-2012, 12:14 PM
....

Wow. If Champ Bailey had a good day then Peyton must be playing like shit. Nobody got their ass kicked last year more than Champ. Bowe chewed Bailey up and spit him out, and that's with Cassel and other shitty qb's throwing to him. If Bailey had a good day against Manning, I'd say Manning is pretty much done.

Garcia Bronco
07-31-2012, 12:15 PM
Wow. If Champ Bailey had a good day then Peyton must be playing like shit. Nobody got their ass kicked last year more than Champ. Bowe chewed Bailey up and spit him out, and that's with Cassel and other shitty qb's throwing to him. If Bailey had a good day against Manning, I'd say Manning is pretty much done.

Ah no. Someone didn't eat their pills this morning. This is a bold face lie by even the most subjective and bias of opinions.

vailpass
07-31-2012, 12:20 PM
Are these retarded pro wrestler schticks going to be permanent? WPI-ish.

mr. tegu
07-31-2012, 12:23 PM
It is amusing to watch Chief's fan critique our used Bentley as he rolls by in his Yugo.

I am just going by what he said. He doesn't seem to think he will return to form. He is still really good, but he doesn't seem to expect to be great, as in return to his best form. If he isn't great, Donks don't make the playoffs.

vailpass
07-31-2012, 12:25 PM
I am just going by what he said. He doesn't seem to think he will return to form. He is still really good, but he doesn't seem to expect to be great, as in return to his best form. If he isn't great, Donks don't make the playoffs.

Sure.

Big Smoke
07-31-2012, 12:25 PM
Are these retarded pro wrestler schticks going to be permanent? WPI-ish.

+1

Von Dumbass
07-31-2012, 12:33 PM
I am just going by what he said. He doesn't seem to think he will return to form. He is still really good, but he doesn't seem to expect to be great, as in return to his best form. If he isn't great, Donks don't make the playoffs.

Who is going to win the division then?

Big Smoke
07-31-2012, 12:34 PM
Who is going to win the division then?

Uh.. the Chiefs. Duh.

Sofa King
07-31-2012, 12:51 PM
Ah no. Someone didn't eat their pills this morning. This is a bold face lie by even the most subjective and bias of opinions.

No it's not. Champ was done last year.

Are these retarded pro wrestler schticks going to be permanent? WPI-ish.

If this was WPI we would have banned your donkey loving ass a long time ago.

mr. tegu
07-31-2012, 12:56 PM
Who is going to win the division then?

The Chiefs of course.

loochy
07-31-2012, 01:00 PM
No it's not. Champ was done last year.



If this was WPI we would have banned your donkey loving ass a long time ago.

Hell the BRONCOS were done last year.

vailpass
07-31-2012, 01:02 PM
If this was WPI we would have banned your donkey loving ass a long time ago.

Did you choose this wrestling thing on your own or was it mod imposed?

lcarus
07-31-2012, 01:05 PM
Are these retarded pro wrestler schticks going to be permanent? WPI-ish.

I don't know who is who anymore.

loochy
07-31-2012, 01:06 PM
Did you choose this wrestling thing on your own or was it mod imposed?

Nobody chooses wrestling. Wrestling chooses YOU.

vailpass
07-31-2012, 01:08 PM
Nobody chooses wrestling. Wrestling chooses YOU.

Kind of like homosexuality apparently.

loochy
07-31-2012, 01:11 PM
Kind of like homosexuality apparently.

Yeah, kind of.

vailpass
07-31-2012, 01:13 PM
Yeah, kind of.

:D

Sofa King
07-31-2012, 01:16 PM
Kind of like homosexuality apparently.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/pv0CC-bYH_Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Pawnmower
07-31-2012, 01:17 PM
Yeah, kind of.

Kind of, only gayer and with more oil

vailpass
07-31-2012, 01:17 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/pv0CC-bYH_Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:D WTF?

loochy
07-31-2012, 01:18 PM
:D

You should become one of us.

You could be Big Van Vader...the Rocky Mountain Mastodon.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9D2LQioyTOM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

vailpass
07-31-2012, 02:29 PM
You should become one of us.

You could be Big Van Vader...the Rocky Mountain Mastodon.



Thanks but I'm more of a Rowdy Roddy Piper kind of guy.

Sofa King
07-31-2012, 03:02 PM
Thanks but I'm more of a Rowdy Roddy Piper kind of guy.

It's because he wears a skirt isn't it.....

Sofa King
07-31-2012, 03:02 PM
It's because he wears a skirt isn't it.....

IT'S NOT A SKIRT IT'S A KILT!

vailpass
07-31-2012, 03:14 PM
It's because he wears a skirt isn't it.....

IT'S NOT A SKIRT IT'S A KILT!

I'm glad you two worked this out. Is it shit like this that caused your old lady to start banging the pool boy?

Garcia Bronco
07-31-2012, 03:21 PM
No it's not. Champ was done last year.



If this was WPI we would have banned your donkey loving ass a long time ago.

Oka...he's only the most complete corner in the game. Cover, stop the run, tackle, nose for the ball....and while he's getting along in age, you're still talking about a guy that was trained by Deion Sanders and Darrell Green. He knows all the tricks. Your boy Bowe can't even find his stick'em in his locker. :P But I am sure Bowe will have a great year.....when he finally reports.

Big Smoke
07-31-2012, 03:22 PM
Oka...he's only the most complete corner in the game. Cover, stop the run, tackle, nose for the ball....and while he's getting along in age, you're still talking about a guy that was trained by Deion Sanders and Darrell Green. He knows all the tricks. Your boy Bowe can't even find his stick'em in his locker. :P But I am sure Bowe will have a great year.....when he finally reports.

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Sofa King
07-31-2012, 03:34 PM
Oka...he's only the most complete corner in the game. Cover, stop the run, tackle, nose for the ball....and while he's getting along in age, you're still talking about a guy that was trained by Deion Sanders and Darrell Green. He knows all the tricks. Your boy Bowe can't even find his stick'em in his locker. :P But I am sure Bowe will have a great year.....when he finally reports.

That's very knowmo of you to say that. The man is washed up. He's clinging to a "once was" career.

The man is toast. There's a reason they have talked of moving him to safety.

Inmem58
07-31-2012, 03:48 PM
Not sure if this was already mentioned, but since Denver has started camp Manning has not thrown a deep ball. This was mentioned yesterday, they're thinking he's not ready to throw deep.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-31-2012, 05:33 PM
LOL

Like they would ever report,"Peyton threw to his teamates today and looked horrible!"

This.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-31-2012, 05:40 PM
That's very knowmo of you to say that. The man is washed up. He's clinging to a "once was" career.

The man is toast. There's a reason they have talked of moving him to safety.

Only cause he's mastered the CB position and got bored of it!!! He even broke his neck in the offseason and got it repaired just like Manning. It made him 10 years younger!!!!/Uknowmo

Bowser
07-31-2012, 06:17 PM
Oka...he's only the most complete corner in the game. Cover, stop the run, tackle, nose for the ball....and while he's getting along in age, you're still talking about a guy that was trained by Deion Sanders and Darrell Green. He knows all the tricks. Your boy Bowe can't even find his stick'em in his locker. :P But I am sure Bowe will have a great year.....when he finally reports.

LOL. Bowe rode Bailey like a rented mule last year.

But in your defense, Ty Law was pretty damned good for us his last couple of years, too. /not really

MagicHef
07-31-2012, 06:53 PM
LOL. Bowe rode Bailey like a rented mule last year.

But in your defense, Ty Law was pretty damned good for us his last couple of years, too. /not really

KC QBs throwing at Champ: 7.8 YPA, 0 TDs, 3 passes defensed.

Tebow throwing at Flowers: 10.4 YPA, 1 TD, 0 passes defensed.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-31-2012, 06:57 PM
Someone is in need of a name change to Knowmo Jr.

Garcia Bronco
07-31-2012, 07:05 PM
KC QBs throwing at Champ: 7.8 YPA, 0 TDs, 3 passes defensed.

Tebow throwing at Flowers: 10.4 YPA, 1 TD, 0 passes defensed.

Precisely. They think that because they have Champ in the screen at home that it was man-on-man.

mr. tegu
07-31-2012, 08:18 PM
The best thing about being a Chiefs fan this season is going to be watching the Donks fall apart. They used up all their luck last season and it will be the reverse this season. I am so excited for it! :bang::donks:

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:13 AM
The best thing about being a Chiefs fan this season is going to be watching the Donks fall apart. They used up all their luck last season and it will be the reverse this season. I am so excited for it! :bang::donks:

Do you know how wide the gap is between Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow?

Tebow was trying to learn how to be a QB while Peyton Manning has mastered it. Denver doesn't need luck. If we could win 8 games with Tebow there is no way we win fewer than 10 with Manning, and I'm expecting 12 to 13 wins.

tomahawkchop25
08-01-2012, 12:51 AM
beems ?

KCrockaholic
08-01-2012, 12:55 AM
KC QBs throwing at Champ: 7.8 YPA, 0 TDs, 3 passes defensed.

Tebow throwing at Flowers: 10.4 YPA, 1 TD, 0 passes defensed.

I'm sorry you don't know how to read what scheme a defense is playing, but Flowers wasn't the guy who got beat on that TD.

beach tribe
08-01-2012, 01:46 AM
KC QBs throwing at Champ: 7.8 YPA, 0 TDs, 3 passes defensed.

Tebow throwing at Flowers: 10.4 YPA, 1 TD, 0 passes defensed.

WRONG. Nice try though.;)

EDIT: Someone beat me to it

Chief_For_Life58
08-01-2012, 01:52 AM
fuck the donkeys

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-01-2012, 05:52 AM
Do you know how wide the gap is between Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow?

Tebow was trying to learn how to be a QB while Peyton Manning has mastered it. Denver doesn't need luck. If we could win 8 games with Tebow there is no way we win fewer than 10 with Manning, and I'm expecting 12 to 13 wins.

ROFL He only won 10 with a better Colts team before major surgery. The West is KC's (Cassels) to lose.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 06:11 AM
ROFL He only won 10 with a better Colts team before major surgery. The West is KC's (Cassels) to lose.

How are the Chiefs the favorites? You guys have only beaten two teams with a winning record in the past three years.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-01-2012, 06:27 AM
How are the Chiefs the favorites? You guys have only beaten two teams with a winning record in the past three years.

The return of the 3 ACLmigos is drawing quite the buzz in league circles. Comments of loaded Chiefs team being the biggest reason folks are picking KC.

Personally, like usual it's San Diego's division if crybaby and Norf don't find a way to fuck it up.

I expect KC to take the West though.

MagicHef
08-01-2012, 07:29 AM
I'm sorry you don't know how to read what scheme a defense is playing, but Flowers wasn't the guy who got beat on that TD.

WRONG. Nice try though.;)

EDIT: Someone beat me to it

You guys are totally right. Flowers only ran down the field with Decker for fun, not because he was covering him.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 07:29 AM
Do you know how wide the gap is between Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow?

Tebow was trying to learn how to be a QB while Peyton Manning has mastered it. Denver doesn't need luck. If we could win 8 games with Tebow there is no way we win fewer than 10 with Manning, and I'm expecting 12 to 13 wins.

There's 1 surefire way that they won't make it to 10 wins..... I'll give you a hint, it ends with "out for the season after re-injuring his fragile neck, career over."

Besides... 12-13 wins is ridiculous. They have very few good players left on that team, and 0 elite ones unless you count Von Miller, but even he could only play a partial season healthy.

I'm thinking maybe 8 wins at the max.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 08:10 AM
There's 1 surefire way that they won't make it to 10 wins..... I'll give you a hint, it ends with "out for the season after re-injuring his fragile neck, career over."

Besides... 12-13 wins is ridiculous. They have very few good players left on that team, and 0 elite ones unless you count Von Miller, but even he could only play a partial season healthy.

I'm thinking maybe 8 wins at the max.

His neck isn't fragile though. You guys keep saying it but it's totally untrue. His neck was healed and ready for professional football last fall. The doctors that did the surgery on the disc in his neck cleared him to play last season.

The reason he missed the entire season was because he lost arm strength and it took time for the nerves to regenerate. There was a time last November where Manning could barely throw a ball across the room, by the time March came around he could throw it 40+ yards.

If Manning were to get hurt it would most likely be a knee injury or a broken bone or something. His neck is at no greater risk to injury than Cassel's.

Bowser
08-01-2012, 08:26 AM
KC QBs throwing at Champ: 7.8 YPA, 0 TDs, 3 passes defensed.

Tebow throwing at Flowers: 10.4 YPA, 1 TD, 0 passes defensed.

CHAMP STILL KICKS ASS GUYS I GUESS WE'RE DONE HERE

BossChief
08-01-2012, 08:33 AM
His neck isn't fragile though. You guys keep saying it but it's totally untrue. His neck was healed and ready for professional football last fall. The doctors that did the surgery on the disc in his neck cleared him to play last season.

The reason he missed the entire season was because he lost arm strength and it took time for the nerves to regenerate. There was a time last November where Manning could barely throw a ball across the room, by the time March came around he could throw it 40+ yards.

If Manning were to get hurt it would most like be a knee injury or a broken bone or something. His neck is at no greater risk to injury than Cassel's.

Just stick your had in the sand and ignore the report that said it's inevitable that he will need a 5th neck surgery.

It's not real.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 08:40 AM
Just stick your had in the sand and ignore the report that said it's inevitable that he will need a 5th neck surgery.

It's not real.

That was reported by one guy during a time where Jim Irsay was in a semi-bitter PR war with Peyton Manning. Reports from that time period from anonymous sources should be disregarded.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 08:41 AM
His neck isn't fragile though. You guys keep saying it but it's totally untrue. His neck was healed and ready for professional football last fall. The doctors that did the surgery on the disc in his neck cleared him to play last season.

The reason he missed the entire season was because he lost arm strength and it took time for the nerves to regenerate. There was a time last November where Manning could barely throw a ball across the room, by the time March came around he could throw it 40+ yards.

If Manning were to get hurt it would most like be a knee injury or a broken bone or something. His neck is at no greater risk to injury than Cassel's.

The doctors cleared him, eh? They also clear a lot of guys who get concussions. And guess what, it happens again... And those injuries get worse and worse. Manning is on borrowed time right now.

Sure he "might" be able to throw it 40 yards but he certainly can't do it accurately. Besides, your wr's would just drop it anyways. I'm still not sure Thomas has caught a ball other than the one against Pittsburgh.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 08:43 AM
That was reported by one guy during a time where Jim Irsay was in a semi-bitter PR war with Peyton Manning. Reports from that time period from anonymous sources should be disregarded.

I'll remember that. 99% of your posts will be irrelevant now.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 08:44 AM
The doctors cleared him, eh? They also clear a lot of guys who get concussions. And guess what, it happens again... And those injuries get worse and worse. Manning is on borrowed time right now.

Sure he "might" be able to throw it 40 yards but he certainly can't do it accurately. Besides, your wr's would just drop it anyways. I'm still not sure Thomas has caught a ball other than the one against Pittsburgh.

He certainly can. And he certainly has. He completes at least one deep ball every practice with pinpoint accuracy.

From Cecil Lammey...
Executed a picture perfect play action pass to Eric Decker. Pass sailed about 45-yards and split two defenders for the TD. Manning’s window was less than the size of a basketball hoop but he put it right in Decker’s hands, splitting Tracy Porter and Quinton Carter. Plenty of zip on his passes to Demaryius Thomas all over the field. Fantastic day from Manning, Thomas, and Decker.

DBOSHO
08-01-2012, 08:46 AM
Quit trying to argue with Knowsa parks. Hes too persistent.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 08:56 AM
He certainly can. And he certainly has. He completes at least one deep ball every practice with pinpoint accuracy.

From Cecil Lammey...

Omg. So a guy most likely getting paid to write good things about Manning posted something (which I'm sure he added yards to) about Manning throwing a single deep ball (with no pressure) and you think he's back?

And pinpoint accuracy is bullshit. You know Decker had to run like a son of a bitch just to get back in time to catch it.

Bowser
08-01-2012, 09:00 AM
Peyton has it in his contract that under no circumstances are defenders to interfere with his passes in practice. I think I read that from Woody Paige.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 09:04 AM
Quit trying to argue with Knowsa parks. Hes too persistent.

In this case he's wrong though, and he knows it.

mr. tegu
08-01-2012, 09:43 AM
Do you know how wide the gap is between Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow?

Tebow was trying to learn how to be a QB while Peyton Manning has mastered it. Denver doesn't need luck. If we could win 8 games with Tebow there is no way we win fewer than 10 with Manning, and I'm expecting 12 to 13 wins.

The point is that things have a way of evening out. If Denver does not get good luck and in fact suffers the kind if bad luck the Chiefs did last year, they are screwed. We won 7 games without three if our best players. Denver can't overcome that. And if a bit of bad luck strikes Manning they are really screwed.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 09:57 AM
The point is that things have a way of evening out. If Denver does not get good luck and in fact suffers the kind if bad luck the Chiefs did last year, they are screwed. We won 7 games without three if our best players. Denver can't overcome that. And if a bit of bad luck strikes Manning they are really screwed.

I'm trying to think who would even be their 3 best players???


Miller, Colquitt and maybe Bailey by default? Clady is overrated, Manning is doomed... Who else would it be? Kuper maybe, Prater?

vailpass
08-01-2012, 11:21 AM
ROFL He only won 10 with a better Colts team before major surgery. The West is KC's (Cassels) to lose.

LMAO Gotta' love it. Perennial red headed step child barking like a big dog.

MagicHef
08-01-2012, 11:42 AM
I'm trying to think who would even be their 3 best players???


Miller, Colquitt and maybe Bailey by default? Clady is overrated, Manning is doomed... Who else would it be? Kuper maybe, Prater?

Based on the 2010 PFF ratings, the Chiefs lost their 3rd, 7th, and 14th best players. That would be equivalent to the Broncos losing Mays, Bannan, and Mike Adams. I think we'd be okay.

On the other hand, it is very sad that Joe Mays is our 3rd best player.

tooge
08-01-2012, 11:47 AM
OMG, please, please, please get the season here. I can't stand all the speculation. I've stated my stance on Manning. I think he is going to be OK, but that is it. At 36, within a year of 4 neck surgeries, and missing the last 18 months of football? If indeed he is really good, it will be the first time in history a person of that age, coming off major surgery, and having missed the entire previous season, will succeed with a new team. Probably the closest was Montana when he came to KC. He was Ok, but not great. What got that team to the AFC championship game was the running game and defense. I think the chiefs and donks will fight it out for the afc west, with one of them winning it at 10-6. Both had similar seasons last year (8-8 v. 7-9) and played weak schedules. Both play tougher schedules this year and have big changes to their teams from last. Should be interesting to say the least.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:09 PM
Based on the 2010 PFF ratings, the Chiefs lost their 3rd, 7th, and 14th best players. That would be equivalent to the Broncos losing Mays, Bannan, and Mike Adams. I think we'd be okay.

On the other hand, it is very sad that Joe Mays is our 3rd best player.

And he missed 12 tackles! 12!!!

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:11 PM
Demaryius Thomas with some nice catches today. He left his man in the dust on a go route to grab a 40-yard Manning TD pass in 1-on-1 play.

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNFLDEN/status/230726621018066944

Manning just tore apart the d in one on one goon deep to d Thomas stokley and Caldwell. Deep and strong all throws https://twitter.com/dmac1043/status/230726783312474113

durtyrute
08-01-2012, 12:14 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNFLDEN/status/230726621018066944

https://twitter.com/dmac1043/status/230726783312474113

You put this stuff up like anyone on here, besides the three donk fans, care.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:15 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNFLDEN/status/230726621018066944

https://twitter.com/dmac1043/status/230726783312474113

Wow. Your D must really suck this year. I kind of figured they would. DJ Williams was probably the 2nd best player on your defense and he isn't even effective vs the run. I guess he's not really effective at all on defense since he's a criminal who should never play in the nfl again.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:16 PM
Wow. You're D must really suck this year. I kind of figured they would. DJ Williams was probably the 2nd best player on your defense and he isn't even effective vs the run. I guess he's not really effective at all on defense since he's a criminal who should never play in the nfl again.

ROFL ROFL

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:16 PM
You put this stuff up like anyone on here, besides the three donk fans, care.

I'm sure he cherry picked a couple sentences completely out of context and went with them.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:18 PM
I provide a link for a reason

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:19 PM
I provide a link for a reason

Doesn't mean you didn't cherry pick that report from a donkey homer writer while skipping over the "he's shit" reports from actual writers with solid credentials.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:20 PM
ROFL ROFL

It's only funny if you count Colquitt as a defensive player. Then DJ would be 3rd best.

I don't see why you want to do that though.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:25 PM
Doesn't mean you didn't cherry pick that report from a donkey homer writer while skipping over the "he's shit" reports from actual writers with solid credentials.

There haven't been any negative reports. Peter King had the most "negative" report so far in camp and he even said that he wouldn't be surprised if Manning completes 69% of his passes this year.

vailpass
08-01-2012, 12:27 PM
You put this stuff up like anyone on here, besides the three donk fans, care.

It's a thread dedicated to and named for him. And you are posting in it. Now who cares?

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:27 PM
There haven't been any negative reports. Peter King had the most "negative" report so far in camp and he even said that he wouldn't be surprised if Manning completes 69% of his passes this year.

That's reporter talk.

Wouldn't be surprised = I'd be fucking shocked

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:27 PM
It's a thread dedicated to and named for him. And you are posting in it. Now who cares?

pwned

mr. tegu
08-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Based on the 2010 PFF ratings, the Chiefs lost their 3rd, 7th, and 14th best players. That would be equivalent to the Broncos losing Mays, Bannan, and Mike Adams. I think we'd be okay.

On the other hand, it is very sad that Joe Mays is our 3rd best player.

Those are hardly equivalent across teams. Sure if you look at Berry and Bannan they are 7th best on their respective team that season, but nobody in their right mind would say those two are even close as far as how much they affect the game. It is just a reflection of how pathetic a roster Denver had and still has. Just because your 7th best player that season did nothing doesn't mean ours didn't.

mr. tegu
08-01-2012, 12:29 PM
There haven't been any negative reports. Peter King had the most "negative" report so far in camp and he even said that he wouldn't be surprised if Manning completes 69% of his passes this year.

Does the fact that Manning doesn't expect to be his old self concern you?

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:32 PM
Today, that was less the case; Manning and company fell down to earth a little bit. The stud signal caller had a few overthrown passes; he and his receiver were not always on the same page, and players like Demaryius Thomas and Virgil Green had a few drops.

Tracy Porter jumped a few Manning throws with successful deflections. (Who the fuck is Tracy Porter?)


I heard murmurs that Willis McGahee may have been slow to get up at one point, and I didn’t see him in first team work late in practice (And down goes your best offensive weapon from last year!)

The Broncos were completely stuffed on every running play off right tackle, and if it weren’t for Manning’s ability to get rid of the football quickly, the first team offense would have yielded a sack or two as well (wow... they can't run without Tebow. And it sounds like Peyton will be getting hit,and hurt, a lot sooner in the year than even I thought)

LMAO

Where's your god now knowmo!!!


http://broncotalk.net/2012/07/39322/broncos-blog/denver-broncos-2012-training-camp-day-4-practice-report/

petegz28
08-01-2012, 12:33 PM
chop blocking will be taken to a new level by Denver this year

vailpass
08-01-2012, 12:33 PM
Does the fact that Manning doesn't expect to be his old self concern you?

Nobody that is being honest and has basic football knowledge expects a 37 year old QB who hasn't played in a year due to serious neck injury to be what he was in his prime. I'm just hoping to get enough Manning, for long enough, to get far enough.


Any player coming back from a season ending injury runs the very real risk that he may never again play at his pre-injury level.
You have some of those to watch on your own team.

durtyrute
08-01-2012, 12:37 PM
It's a thread dedicated to and named for him. And you are posting in it. Now who cares?

Touche, kinda like you in the 9/11 thread. You win this time penguin but I'll be back.;)

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:37 PM
Does the fact that Manning doesn't expect to be his old self concern you?

No. He is a perfectionist. The things he sees as being subpar could be unnoticeable to you and I.

I am not expecting to watch Manning play this year and think to myself, "Damn! He would have made that throw 4 years ago. " I'm expecting to see some of the best QB play that Denver has seen in over a decade.

mr. tegu
08-01-2012, 12:37 PM
Nobody that is being honest and has basic football knowledge expects a 37 year old QB who hasn't played in a year due to serious neck injury to be what he was in his prime. I'm just hoping to get enough Manning, for long enough, to get far enough.


Any player coming back from a season ending injury runs the very real risk that he may never again play at his pre-injury level.
You have some of those to watch on your own team.

At 5 years 95 million I am pretty sure Denver was/is expecting Peyton to be his old self...

And the guys we are worried about don't touch the ball every single offensive/defensive play. Manning might end up being surprised when he starts attempting passes that he used to make in his sleep but now get tipped away or fall slightly short with the slightly less velocity he sounds like he will have.

mr. tegu
08-01-2012, 12:40 PM
No. He is a perfectionist. The things he sees as being subpar could be unnoticeable to you and I.

I am not expecting to watch Manning play this year and think to myself, "Damn! He would have made that throw 4 years ago. " I'm expecting to see some of the best QB play that Denver has seen in over a decade.

This is true. I just hope he survives long enough into the season to meet this guy:

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/564699/snapshot20101011175425_medium.jpg

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:43 PM
PFM just made a throw to Stokley over the middle that only 5-7 people on earth could make.

https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/230734913974968320

petegz28
08-01-2012, 12:46 PM
As I understand it Manning's neck injury is somewhat similar to the injury Preist Holmes suffered. It took one good hit to knock Priest back on the sidelines. Peyton is going to get his bell rung and be done with football before the season is over.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:46 PM
Wow. Brandon Stokley is getting reps with the 1st team.

What a sad, sad time for the Denver wr core.

durtyrute
08-01-2012, 12:47 PM
It has nothing to do with the fact that he continually kicked our asses nor does it have anything to do with the fact that he is a donk, but I have a really bad feeling about Peyton. I was hoping he would just call it quits and go out on top.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:47 PM
LMAO

Where's your god now knowmo!!!


http://broncotalk.net/2012/07/39322/broncos-blog/denver-broncos-2012-training-camp-day-4-practice-report/

I didn't read that one. I really don't read the Bronco blog sites at all (MileHighReport, Broncotalk, ItsAllOverFatMan)

I did read this camp report by Cecil Lammey on the same day that Broncotalk was referencing.

Peyton Manning – Another clinic by Manning, although Champ Bailey had a stronger performance today. Ran great play fakes, and was able to draw the defense offsides with his barking cadence many times. Throws a nice fade route in the back corner of the end zone and guys like Joel Dreesen, Eric Decker, Jacob Tamme, and Demaryius Thomas took advantage. The wind started gusting towards the end of practice and Manning was still zipping the ball around the field. Manning trusts his arm, and will throw into incredibly tight windows. However, he’s smart enough to know when to throw it away and did that a couple of times in red zone drills.

Von Dumbass
08-01-2012, 12:48 PM
Wow. Brandon Stokley is getting reps with the 1st team.

What a sad, sad time for the Denver wr core.

Decker hasn't practiced today. He's been getting stretched out by the trainer since very early on in practice.

Sofa King
08-01-2012, 12:50 PM
I didn't read that one. I really don't read the Bronco blog sites at all (MileHighReport, Broncotalk, ItsAllOverFatMan)

I did read this camp report by Cecil Lammey on the same day that Broncotalk was referencing.

So you only read reports by the donkey homer reporters.

Got it.

petegz28
08-01-2012, 12:52 PM
It has nothing to do with the fact that he continually kicked our asses nor does it have anything to do with the fact that he is a donk, but I have a really bad feeling about Peyton. I was hoping he would just call it quits and go out on top.

I can recall 2 games where he solidly kicked our ass. The other times, including the playoff game we pretty much went toe-toe and he never walked away with it.

InChiefsHell
08-01-2012, 12:53 PM
PFM just made a throw to Stokley over the middle that only 5-7 people on earth could make.

https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/230734913974968320

PFM...is that Payton ****ing Manning?

durtyrute
08-01-2012, 12:54 PM
I can recall 2 games where he solidly kicked our ass. The other times, including the playoff game we pretty much went toe-toe and he never walked away with it.

Maybe kicked our ass was too harsh, but we lost alot, that's all I mean.