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The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 06:34 AM
Mitch Holtus "I can't believe how the media flip-flops on Matt Cassel. I'll argue with anyone about that Matt can win us a playoff game here. He's a top 15 QB, and might be a top 10."

I wish someone would put the hammer down on Mitch's face.

Nightfyre
03-28-2012, 06:36 AM
Mitch Holtus "I can't believe how the media flip-flops on Matt Cassel. I'll argue with anyone about that Matt can win us a playoff game here. He's a top 15 QB, and might be a top 10."

I wish someone would put the hammer down on Mitch's face.

IOTW: He's average, maybe above average, according to MH.

However, it goes without saying that he is fucking wrong.

bevischief
03-28-2012, 06:37 AM
What was he smoking?

Nightfyre
03-28-2012, 06:38 AM
What was he smoking?

The front office's pole.

The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 06:38 AM
IOTW: He's average, maybe above average, according to MH.

However, it goes without saying that he is ****ing wrong.

Yeah, it was hilarious. Looney disagreed that he was top 10, but Mitch's "i'll battle anyone on Twitter rant was hilarious.

Same with his comments on Daboll.

The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 06:39 AM
They kept saying Cassel needs a great running game. What top 10 QB needs a great running game?

I wish someone, anyone, would just ask these blind assholes if Cassel is the QB you think he is, why has he not beat one playoff team with a winning record?

InChiefsHell
03-28-2012, 06:40 AM
Of course Mitch is gonna cup Cassell's balls...he's a PR guy for the organization.

Deberg_1990
03-28-2012, 06:40 AM
I wonder if Mitch truly believes his nonsense or hes just being a Loyal Chiefs soldier?

Nightfyre
03-28-2012, 06:40 AM
I guarantee a top 15 QB has the ability to carry his team without a running game. Just sayin'

big nasty kcnut
03-28-2012, 06:42 AM
Mitch can't say that matt cassell suck more then katie morgan in a dick sucking contest. He got to keep his job.

Nightfyre
03-28-2012, 06:44 AM
I have to say, its disappointing that the front office would be trying to push this drivel on the fanbase. Its nigh enough to quash my hopes that we will ever be rid of Cassel.

the Talking Can
03-28-2012, 06:50 AM
i will rip mitch's pussy throat out road house style

and we have scott to thanks for 4 years of matt cassel

BCD
03-28-2012, 06:54 AM
LMAO

BoneKrusher
03-28-2012, 06:56 AM
Same with his comments on Daboll.


the Chiefs had one of the worst offenses in the league and they bring in a guy as OC who's excelled at placing offenses at or near the bottom of the league.

that's hilarious.

unlurking
03-28-2012, 07:03 AM
They kept saying Cassel needs a great running game. What top 10 QB needs a great running game?
...

Not comparing the 2 QBs or disagreeing with the low opinion of Cassel (I want him gone too), but I can't count the number of times I've heard fellow Chiefs fans bitch that Elway would never have one a Super Bowl without Davis.

Dave Lane
03-28-2012, 07:04 AM
the Chiefs had one of the worst offenses in the league and they bring in a guy as OC who's excelled at placing offenses at or near the bottom of the league.

that's hilarious.

Daboll is probable garbage, Matt Cassel is absolute proven garbage.

suds79
03-28-2012, 07:05 AM
Holy sh!t he's way off base.

I now have to put Mitch into what I call the 5 percenter crowd. Always will be the select few who just don't get it no matter how obvious it is.

We all know Matt is a 17-25 range kind of guy depending on the day.

KCUnited
03-28-2012, 07:07 AM
The Chiefs work Holtus like Jean Swing at a Viagra party.

BoneKrusher
03-28-2012, 07:08 AM
Daboll is probable garbage, Matt Cassel is absolute proven garbage.

i dont know much about Daboll but i've seen where his offenses rank.

they needed someone who's proven to get the offense on track but IMO Pioli and company knew it probably wouldnt matter with Cassel starting.

in other words let Daboll take the blame.

HemiEd
03-28-2012, 07:25 AM
I guarantee a top 15 QB has the ability to carry his team without a running game. Just sayin'

Or hit a basic screen pass without throwing a pick, and once you do that, be able hit your own head with your hat.

Molitoth
03-28-2012, 07:26 AM
I like Mitch, but defending Cassel is just rediculas.

Molitoth
03-28-2012, 07:27 AM
We all know Matt is a 17-25 range kind of guy depending on the day.

17 completions for 25 yards? yup.

Ebolapox
03-28-2012, 07:29 AM
jesus, we're rat-fucked.

Sofa King
03-28-2012, 07:34 AM
http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x354/Boyd508/Nike.jpg

htismaqe
03-28-2012, 07:37 AM
i dont know much about Daboll but i've seen where his offenses rank.

they needed someone who's proven to get the offense on track but IMO Pioli and company knew it probably wouldnt matter with Cassel starting.

in other words let Daboll take the blame.

The sooner we're rid of ALL OF THEM, the better.

KCtotheSB
03-28-2012, 07:42 AM
They should have had the home games against Denver and Miami playing in the background while Mitch was on.

sedated
03-28-2012, 07:48 AM
He’s an employee of the Chiefs, there’s no way he can rip into their starting QB. I’ve listened to a lot of interviews on the radio, and you can tell that he isn’t completely honest – if he gets into a tough spot he will try to change the subject or repeat a non-answer over and over.

Fritz88
03-28-2012, 07:51 AM
It is safe to assume that ArrowHead knows that there are big question marks around Cassel. Moreover, they are noticing that the fans and the media are aware of KC's QB situation.
Posted via Mobile Device

TEX
03-28-2012, 08:18 AM
It is safe to assume that ArrowHead knows that there are big question marks around Cassel. Moreover, they are noticing that the fans and the media are aware of KC's QB situation.
Posted via Mobile Device

But Pioli doesn't care...To me it sounds like this is coming from the Chiefs anyway. They want us to believe it.

KCinNY
03-28-2012, 08:33 AM
I don't blame Mitch for doing his job. Bottle's half full and pure positivity...that's what a homer play-by-play guy is supposed to do. Fortunately...many Chiefs fans and most Planeteers see it for what it is.

Hell... the guy used to pimp Grbac as a top 10 QB and Eric Warfield as a Pro-Bowl corner.

I don't think any rational fan takes him seriously.

boogblaster
03-28-2012, 08:33 AM
i cry BS .....

gblowfish
03-28-2012, 08:37 AM
Mitch is sniffing Godfather Pioli's balls in much the same fashion as Blob Gretz did under the King Carl regime. Since they paid Cassel all that $, they're going to trot him out there until they get their money's worth. Playoffs? PLAYOFFS????

Lonewolf Ed
03-28-2012, 08:43 AM
If Holtus meant that Cassel is a top 15 QB in the AFC, then he may be right. Top 10 in the AFC is not right, however.

Chiefnj2
03-28-2012, 08:43 AM
A lot of people on this board buy into the line of thinking that Weiss didn't have anything to do with Cassel's "success" in 2010 and that his decent play that year was a result of having a run game with Charles.

Assuming that is true, why aren't those people on the Cassel bandwagon in 2012? If he could put up 27 TD and 7 INTs with because of Charles/Moeaki/Bowe, shouldn't his numbers jump even higher with the extra addition of Hillis, Hudson, Winston, Boss, Breaston, Baldwin and improved play of Albert?

Brock
03-28-2012, 08:47 AM
A lot of people on this board buy into the line of thinking that Weiss didn't have anything to do with Cassel's "success" in 2010 and that his decent play that year was a result of having a run game with Charles.

Assuming that is true, why aren't those people on the Cassel bandwagon in 2012? If he could put up 27 TD and 7 INTs with because of Charles/Moeaki/Bowe, shouldn't his numbers jump even higher with the extra addition of Hillis, Hudson, Winston, Boss, Breaston, Baldwin and improved play of Albert?

I'll bet a dollar that the offensive line looks not so good at pass blocking again. (not because they aren't good enough)

bricks
03-28-2012, 08:47 AM
He’s an employee of the Chiefs, there’s no way he can rip into their starting QB.. I’ve listened to a lot of interviews on the radio, and you can tell that he isn’t completely honest – if he gets into a tough spot he will try to change the subject or repeat a non-answer over and over.

That's the bottomline.

He is being paid by them and obviously he will stand by and support them anyway he can. It's just the logical thing to do.

Phobia
03-28-2012, 08:52 AM
There are actually hordes of people who follow Mitch around the metro listening to his radio show play at various restaurants just hoping to catch a glimpse of the infamous mouthpiece and whichever 3rd stringer he convinced to come with him that week.

qabbaan
03-28-2012, 09:11 AM
What does it say about Cassel that people go around saying that because (they think that) Cassel will now have a great offensive line and a great running game, they feel he can be adequate. That he is "good enough" to win a playoff game.

Matt Schaub, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Tony Romo... Justa handful of players who were carried by the rest of their team kicking and screaming into playoff wins.

What any idiot knows is that these kinds of QBs might steal a wild card game, but they lose the next game to the Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees et al.

Cassel in a perfect situation being able to sot down and shut up, and not scuttle a wild card win with an interception on a screen pass has nothing to do with winning a super bowl. If we knew he would win the next five wild card games I wouldn't give a rip because he will never take a team anywhere. He's a poor man's Mark Sanchez

BCD
03-28-2012, 09:22 AM
A lot of people on this board buy into the line of thinking that Weiss didn't have anything to do with Cassel's "success" in 2010 and that his decent play that year was a result of having a run game with Charles.

Assuming that is true, why aren't those people on the Cassel bandwagon in 2012? If he could put up 27 TD and 7 INTs with because of Charles/Moeaki/Bowe, shouldn't his numbers jump even higher with the extra addition of Hillis, Hudson, Winston, Boss, Breaston, Baldwin and improved play of Albert?

That line of thinking is correct.

He may very well replicate 2010.

He also isn't good enough to perform at that level in the post season.

htismaqe
03-28-2012, 09:25 AM
There are actually hordes of people who follow Mitch around the metro listening to his radio show play at various restaurants just hoping to catch a glimpse of the infamous mouthpiece and whichever 3rd stringer he convinced to come with him that week.

ROFL

Every time I hear it, I can't help but picture some kind of circus sideshow when he start listing off his guests...

htismaqe
03-28-2012, 09:26 AM
A lot of people on this board buy into the line of thinking that Weiss didn't have anything to do with Cassel's "success" in 2010 and that his decent play that year was a result of having a run game with Charles.

Assuming that is true, why aren't those people on the Cassel bandwagon in 2012? If he could put up 27 TD and 7 INTs with because of Charles/Moeaki/Bowe, shouldn't his numbers jump even higher with the extra addition of Hillis, Hudson, Winston, Boss, Breaston, Baldwin and improved play of Albert?

Because his ceiling is 1 and done in the playoffs. That's not good enough.

gblowfish
03-28-2012, 09:32 AM
My take on Cassel is this: He's not a pussy like Grbac, playing after surgery in St. Louis two years ago proved that. He's smarter than Bono. But he's not beloved by his team mates like DeBerg and Trent Green were. His arm is not strong enough to throw an accurate long ball, and he has no ability to improvise on the run. None. Zero. If his primary guy is covered, he goes check down, no matter what. He is content with throwing a five yard pass on third and eight, and he'll do it every single time his primary is covered. He would make a fine backup QB for any NFL team, but he just doesn't have the ingredients to be a championship QB. It's the same old story in KC.

The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 09:56 AM
Not comparing the 2 QBs or disagreeing with the low opinion of Cassel (I want him gone too), but I can't count the number of times I've heard fellow Chiefs fans bitch that Elway would never have one a Super Bowl without Davis.

It's a far different NFL than the one that was played in 1998 and 1999.

The Giants were DEAD LAST in rushing last year and won a SB.

You don't need a dominant run game if you have a QB worth a lick.

The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 09:58 AM
Josh Looney's only job is with the Chiefs and he was FAR less complimentary of Cassel than Mitch.

You can toe the company line, but when you say "I'll battle anyone who criticizes the Chiefs QB position", it's far beyond the company line.

L.A. Chieffan
03-28-2012, 10:26 AM
I agree completely with Mitch and don't see anything wrong with that statement at all.

Definitely a top 10 QB.

AndChiefs
03-28-2012, 10:28 AM
I agree completely with Mitch and don't see anything wrong with that statement at all.

Definitely a top 10 QB.

When starting your ranking with the worst starting QB in the NFL.

Phobia
03-28-2012, 10:28 AM
I agree completely with Mitch and don't see anything wrong with that statement at all.

Definitely a top 10 QB.

Maybe in the AFC. Maybe.

L.A. Chieffan
03-28-2012, 10:33 AM
Go ahead and list the QBs better than Cassel:

Brady
Big Ben
Eli
Brees
Rodgers
Maaaybe Stafford

Thats about it, all the rest of the guys have about as many question marks as Cassel. There aren't any other clear cut guys better than him. Mitch is right.

Great Expectations
03-28-2012, 10:35 AM
Go ahead and list the QBs better than Cassel:

Brady
Big Ben
Eli
Brees
Rodgers
Maaaybe Stafford

Thats about it, all the rest of the guys have about as many question marks as Cassel. There aren't any other clear cut guys better than him. Mitch is right.

It would be a shorter list to name the guys who are obviously worse than Cassel.

kc rush
03-28-2012, 10:36 AM
My take on Cassel is this: He's not a pussy like Grbac, playing after surgery in St. Louis two years ago proved that. He's smarter than Bono. But he's not beloved by his team mates like DeBerg and Trent Green were. His arm is not strong enough to throw an accurate long ball, and he has no ability to improvise on the run. None. Zero. If his primary guy is covered, he goes check down, no matter what. He is content with throwing a five yard pass on third and eight, and he'll do it every single time his primary is covered. He would make a fine backup QB for any NFL team, but he just doesn't have the ingredients to be a championship QB. It's the same old story in KC.

Basically Huard without the charm.

AndChiefs
03-28-2012, 10:36 AM
Go ahead and list the QBs better than Cassel:

Brady
Big Ben
Eli
Brees
Rodgers
Maaaybe Stafford

Thats about it, all the rest of the guys have about as many question marks as Cassel. There aren't any other clear cut guys better than him. Mitch is right.

Anybody that says Stafford is "maybe" better than Cassel immediately loses all credibility.


I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling.

kc rush
03-28-2012, 10:37 AM
I wonder if Mitch truly believes his nonsense or hes just being a Loyal Chiefs soldier?

He was complimentary of Haley until the day he was fired. I'd say they guy values his paycheck above all else.

L.A. Chieffan
03-28-2012, 10:39 AM
Anybody that says Stafford is "maybe" better than Cassel immediately loses all credibility.




So you know that I'm right since you didn't respond but starting throwing out insults.

Stafford has had 1 good year, I agree that a case could be made that he is better that's why I included him.

gblowfish
03-28-2012, 10:44 AM
AFC QB's better than Cassel (IMHO):
Phyllis Rivers
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Rapistburger
Flacco
Schaub
Dalton
Sanchez (not by much)
Andrew Luck

So, there's eight guys who are better. So Cassel would be considered at best a middle of the pack guy. You could make an argument that Carson Palmer and Fitzgerald are better too. Palmer split with KC last year, Fitzgerald outplayed Cassel on opening day last year.

Great Expectations
03-28-2012, 10:50 AM
What teams do you think would be willing to trade their starting QB for Cassel straight up?

Frazod
03-28-2012, 10:51 AM
Basically Huard without the charm.

Nobody could curl up into a ball quite like Huard.

AndChiefs
03-28-2012, 10:51 AM
So you know that I'm right since you didn't respond but starting throwing out insults.

Stafford has had 1 good year, I agree that a case could be made that he is better that's why I included him.

Calling you dumb or calling your mom a whore would be an insult. Saying you lose all credibility is an observation of your comparison ability.

Stafford has always been better but he's been injured. Even before last year most people would've gladly taken a healthy Stafford over Cassel.

But just for you, let's list who I would take over Cassel no questions asked. In no particular order.

Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Schaub
E. Manning
P. Manning
Ryan
Rapelessburger
Rivers
Cutler
Newton
Vick
Dalton
Romo (even though he's a choker)

Here's ones I would compare him to.

Moore
Hasselback (just because he's old, he was better than Cassel in his prime)
Flacco
Palmer
Sanchez
Orton
Freeman
Grossman
Bradford

And finally, QB's I wouldn't take over him:

Kolb
Jackson
McCoy
Tebow
Ponder
Gabbert


There you go, middle of the pack, at very best.

L.A. Chieffan
03-28-2012, 10:53 AM
AFC QB's better than Cassel (IMHO):
Phyllis Rivers
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Rapistburger
Flacco
Schaub
Dalton
Sanchez (not by much)
Andrew Luck

So, there's eight guys who are better. So Cassel would be considered at best a middle of the pack guy. You could make an argument that Carson Palmer and Fitzgerald are better too. Palmer split with KC last year, Fitzgerald outplayed Cassel on opening day last year.

Phyllis Rivers (20 ints? Cant even take a knee? No thanks, head case.)
Peyton Manning (Brokedick, IR by week 4)
Tom Brady
Rapistburger
Flacco (maybe but pretty inconsistent and average, plus that mustache is a huge minus)
Schaub (snore, is there a more boring qb? tons of weapons yet alays underwhelms. dont see it.)
Dalton (teams started to figure him out by end of season. HUGE sophmore slump coming)
Sanchez (not by much) (not at all)
Andrew Luck (um, OK)

gblowfish
03-28-2012, 10:57 AM
Phyllis Rivers (20 ints? Cant even take a knee? No thanks, head case.)
"Worst Day Ever!"
Peyton Manning (Brokedick, IR by week 4)
I'll take that bet.
Tom Brady
Rapistburger
Flacco (maybe but pretty inconsistent and average, plus that mustache is a huge minus) He was in the AFC Championship game last year....duh!
Schaub (snore, is there a more boring qb? tons of weapons yet alays underwhelms. dont see it.) He got hurt last year, we'll see this year.
Dalton (teams started to figure him out by end of season. HUGE sophmore slump coming) I'll take that bet too.
Sanchez (not by much) (not at all) So, you'd rather start Tebow???
Andrew Luck (um, OK) He's gonna tear it up in Indy.

milkman
03-28-2012, 11:00 AM
Calling you dumb or calling your mom a whore would be an insult. Saying you lose all credibility is an observation of your comparison ability.

Stafford has always been better but he's been injured. Even before last year most people would've gladly taken a healthy Stafford over Cassel.

But just for you, let's list who I would take over Cassel no questions asked. In no particular order.

Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Schaub
E. Manning
P. Manning
Ryan
Rapelessburger
Rivers
Cutler
Newton
Vick
Dalton
Romo (even though he's a choker)

Here's ones I would compare him to.

Moore
Hasselback (just because he's old, he was better than Cassel in his prime)
Flacco
Palmer
Sanchez
Orton
Freeman
Grossman
Bradford

And finally, QB's I wouldn't take over him:

Kolb
Jackson
McCoy
Tebow
Ponder
Gabbert


There you go, middle of the pack, at very best.

I'd take Hasselbeck, Flacco, Palmer, Sanchez, Orton, Freeman, Bradford McCoy, and Ponder ahead of Cassel.

Hasselbeck is old, but he's still better.

The other guys are still young and still have some potential to improve.

I might even take Gabbert, who I didn't like coming out, ahead of Cassel.

Bowser
03-28-2012, 11:02 AM
What teams do you think would be willing to trade their starting QB for Cassel straight up?

None of them.

kc rush
03-28-2012, 11:11 AM
What teams do you think would be willing to trade their starting QB for Cassel straight up?

Arizona, Cleveland and Miami maybe?

Brock
03-28-2012, 11:13 AM
Arizona, Cleveland and Miami maybe?

Nope.

AndChiefs
03-28-2012, 11:14 AM
Arizona, Cleveland and Miami maybe?

I could see Cleveland...McCoy has not looked good. That would be about it though.

btlook1
03-28-2012, 11:15 AM
http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x354/Boyd508/Nike.jpg

That's an awesome photo shop!!!

milkman
03-28-2012, 11:16 AM
I could see Cleveland...McCoy has not looked good. That would be about it though.

McCoy had a pretty fair rookie season, but seemed to take a step back last year.

He still has some upside potential, and I think he gets more respect from his teammates than does Cassel.

Chiefnj2
03-28-2012, 11:17 AM
McCoy has no weapons.

FringeNC
03-28-2012, 11:20 AM
My take on Cassel is this: He's not a pussy like Grbac, playing after surgery in St. Louis two years ago proved that. He's smarter than Bono. But he's not beloved by his team mates like DeBerg and Trent Green were. His arm is not strong enough to throw an accurate long ball, and he has no ability to improvise on the run. None. Zero. If his primary guy is covered, he goes check down, no matter what. He is content with throwing a five yard pass on third and eight, and he'll do it every single time his primary is covered. He would make a fine backup QB for any NFL team, but he just doesn't have the ingredients to be a championship QB. It's the same old story in KC.

I think Cassel's problem is he is stupid like Bono. Cassel's problems are mental. If they aren't lack of intelligence, they are panic-related. He can't calmly read a defense and spot the open guy. Plus there was that talk that even in year 2 here he was still using Patriot terminology and confusing the players.

HemiEd
03-28-2012, 11:24 AM
What teams do you think would be willing to trade their starting QB for Cassel straight up?

You might find a trade partner here. (http://www.arenafootball.com/splashasset/) But I wouldn't guarantee it.

BoneKrusher
03-28-2012, 11:28 AM
Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Schaub
E. Manning
P. Manning
Ryan
Rapelessburger
Rivers
Cutler
Newton
Vick
Dalton
Romo (even though he's a choker)

Moore
Hasselback (just because he's old, he was better than Cassel in his prime)
Flacco
Palmer
Sanchez
Orton
Freeman
Grossman
Bradford
Kolb
Jackson
McCoy
Tebow
Ponder
Gabbert


There you go, middle of the pack, at very best.

i'd take either of the above QB's over Castle.
i'm pretty sure all of them can throw beyond ten yards and also complete screen passes.

Okie_Apparition
03-28-2012, 11:29 AM
I'd believe him if he had pinned some ridiculous nickname on him
Cassel never inspires him to do more than hope he doesn't fuckup

Bump
03-28-2012, 11:55 AM
wow

kc rush
03-28-2012, 12:15 PM
I could see Cleveland...McCoy has not looked good. That would be about it though.

I put Arizona in there, not because Kolb is much different than Cassel, my guess is that they'd just want out of the contract.

milkman
03-28-2012, 12:19 PM
I put Arizona in there, not because Kolb is much different than Cassel, my guess is that they'd just want out of the contract.

Once they paid him the bonus that was due this year, they guaranteed he'd be there this year, no matter what.

If they wanted out of that contract, they needed to release before that bonus kicked in.

DeezNutz
03-28-2012, 12:21 PM
A lot of people on this board buy into the line of thinking that Weiss didn't have anything to do with Cassel's "success" in 2010 and that his decent play that year was a result of having a run game with Charles.

Assuming that is true, why aren't those people on the Cassel bandwagon in 2012? If he could put up 27 TD and 7 INTs with because of Charles/Moeaki/Bowe, shouldn't his numbers jump even higher with the extra addition of Hillis, Hudson, Winston, Boss, Breaston, Baldwin and improved play of Albert?

Because the bandwagon crashes into a fire against the best competition.

His stats will be decent, the line will look a bit worse (though it's actually even better), and Cassel's pants will be shit stained, should we happen to advance to our regular one-and-done in week 18.

The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 12:27 PM
I'm glad LAChieffan has trolled another thread. GTFO.

The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 12:28 PM
I agree completely with Mitch and don't see anything wrong with that statement at all.

Definitely a top 10 QB.

GTFO.

Chocolate Hog
03-28-2012, 12:29 PM
What does Barrys Koolaid think about Matt Cassel?

The Bad Guy
03-28-2012, 12:30 PM
What does Barrys Koolaid think about Matt Cassel?

LAChieffan is a lot closer to Barry Koolaid than he realizes, trolling or not.

Dick Bull
03-28-2012, 12:55 PM
But Pioli doesn't care...To me it sounds like this is coming from the Chiefs anyway. They want us to believe it.


I don't have the hatred for Cassel that most do. However, when I heard Holthus, with a straight face, say look at 2011," he had an 11 td to 9 int ratio and that's not bad." That's when I knew who the message was being sent from.


It's like a used car dealer saying that he knows the car doesn't start half the time, but it's still a great car.

HemiEd
03-28-2012, 12:57 PM
I don't have the hatred for Cassel that most do. However, when I heard Holthus, with a straight face, say look at 2011," he had an 11 td to 9 int ratio and that's not bad." That's when I knew who the message was being sent from.


It's like a used car dealer saying that he knows the car doesn't start half the time, but it's still a great car.

Consumer Reports, rated best buy! It has a very large trunk.

Dave Lane
03-28-2012, 01:00 PM
Maybe in the AFC. Maybe.

No maybe in the AFC West.

Then he's just outside the top 10 but close enough.

whoman69
03-28-2012, 01:02 PM
Mitch can't say that matt cassell suck more then katie morgan in a dick sucking contest. He got to keep his job.

Hey, don't be putting Katie in Cassel's league. She is an artist.

htismaqe
03-28-2012, 01:09 PM
Hey, don't be putting Katie in Cassel's league. She is an artist.

Probably a better QB too.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-28-2012, 01:11 PM
Mitch only said that because he's scared for his job like every other person at One Arrowhead Drive.

Frazod
03-28-2012, 01:21 PM
Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue. Beautiful plumage!

Dick Bull
03-28-2012, 03:20 PM
Hey, don't be putting Katie in Cassel's league. She is an artist.

I hope to someday be able to afford her art personally.

scho63
03-28-2012, 03:25 PM
I love listening to Mitch broadcast games and think he is great for that but his totally biased view clouds his ability to provide a realistic analysis for any player. He couldn't even say anything bad about Palko! How can you not say the guy was awful? He used the word "struggle".

He is a KC hype machine...

gblowfish
03-28-2012, 03:28 PM
"Struggles" is the PC term for "Stinks on Ice."

KCrockaholic
03-28-2012, 03:33 PM
It would be a shorter list to name the guys who are obviously worse than Cassel.

I'll give it a try....

Blaine Gabbert.
Christian Ponder.
Tavaris Jackson.
John Skelton.


I can't even include Indy or Washington because they're about to have Luck and Griffin respectively and they are both already better than Cassel.

Those are the obvious ones.

And I can't even add Tebow to this list because he's won a playoff game.

whoman69
03-28-2012, 06:19 PM
I hope to someday be able to afford her art personally.

By then the only thing worthy of value will be her medically enhanced perfect boobs.

Dick Bull
03-28-2012, 06:23 PM
I love listening to Mitch broadcast games and think he is great for that but his totally biased view clouds his ability to provide a realistic analysis for any player. He couldn't even say anything bad about Palko! How can you not say the guy was awful? He used the word "struggle".

He is a KC hype machine...
Like I said, I got to him saying 10 tds to 9 picks wasn't that bad and flipped it off. Then I went to twitter and asked him about he could say that with a straight face. No response.

Otter
03-28-2012, 06:29 PM
It's a far different NFL than the one that was played in 1998 and 1999.

The Giants were DEAD LAST in rushing last year and won a SB.

You don't need a dominant run game if you have a QB worth a lick.

Teams that take advantage of the pass happy atmosphere the NFL developed over the last 10 years are pussies! The Chiefs will be standing in rows loading their muskets on an open battlefield to fight the war.

Pride and Tradition!

Chiefs are embarrassing with their QB position and their repeated mistakes when handling the most important position on the team. I thought it would be better when Clark too over but it's not looking that way.

ILChief
03-28-2012, 06:29 PM
I'm glad our goal is to "win a playoff game"

WhiteWhale
03-28-2012, 06:39 PM
I don't have the hatred for Cassel that most do. However, when I heard Holthus, with a straight face, say look at 2011," he had an 11 td to 9 int ratio and that's not bad." That's when I knew who the message was being sent from.


It's like a used car dealer saying that he knows the car doesn't start half the time, but it's still a great car.

lol, that's funny. He threw 10 TD's, not 11. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt (yes, that's the same amount Charles averaged per carry in 2010... amazing) and 10.7 yards per completion. By comparison Orton averaged 7.7 YPA and 13.2 yards per completion. Orton sucks in the RZ and is a flawed QB, but this highlights what Cassel struggles to do... move the ball! Even in 2010 his 6.9/11.9 averages were not exceptional or anything and we all saw some of the amazing runs Bowe made after the catch.

These numbers are under-rated by too many fans. They're the equivalent of a running back's yards per carry average.

One can cherry pick stats to defend most QB's like Mitch did, but nothing emphasizes their per-play effectiveness passing the ball than those numbers. It's like defending a Running back who averages 3.4 yards per carry over 3 seasons because he hasn't fumbled a bunch of times.

htismaqe
03-28-2012, 06:43 PM
lol, that's funny. He threw 10 TD's, not 11. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt (yes, that's the same amount Charles averaged per carry in 2010... amazing) and 10.7 yards per completion. By comparison Orton averaged 7.7 YPA and 13.2 yards per completion. Orton sucks in the RZ and is a flawed QB, but this highlights what Cassel struggles to do... move the ball! Even in 2010 his 6.9/11.9 averages were not exceptional or anything and we all saw some of the amazing runs Bowe made after the catch.

These numbers are under-rated by too many fans. They're the equivalent of a running back's yards per carry average.

One can cherry pick stats to defend most QB's like Mitch did, but nothing emphasizes their per-play effectiveness passing the ball than those numbers. It's like defending a Running back who averages 3.4 yards per carry over 3 seasons because he hasn't fumbled a bunch of times.

:clap:

I've been preaching about YPA for a while now.

Douche Baggins
03-28-2012, 06:51 PM
Someone ask Mitch to defend Cassel's last 11 starts:

180-320
56.2%
5.9 YPA
1,898 yards
10 TD, 14 INT
65.8 QB rating.

Jamaal Charles started four of those games, and those were just about the four worst out of that 11 game stretch, BTW.

Douche Baggins
03-28-2012, 06:54 PM
What does Barrys Koolaid think about Matt Cassel?

I've had long conversations with Barry about Matt Cassel and Scott Pioli.

His patience is actually running out. He's giving them this season to prove they can win a playoff game.

Chocolate Hog
03-28-2012, 07:25 PM
I've had long conversations with Barry about Matt Cassel and Scott Pioli.

His patience is actually running out. He's giving them this season to prove they can win a playoff game.

I saw you in one of Barrys videos eating a hot dog.

Okie_Apparition
03-28-2012, 07:47 PM
Maybe this is par for the course
Have you ever watched an NFL Network replay with the winning team's play by play guys
It's full throat only Jon Gruden could admire

Douche Baggins
03-28-2012, 08:01 PM
I saw you in one of Barrys videos eating a hot dog.

Does this mean I'm banned?

Phobia
03-28-2012, 09:28 PM
I've had long conversations with Barry about Matt Cassel and Scott Pioli.

His patience is actually running out. He's giving them this season to prove they can win a playoff game.

What's he going to do about it?

Deberg_1990
03-28-2012, 09:33 PM
I'll bet Mitch bends over every night and takes it from Pioli's "Centaur"

Douche Baggins
03-28-2012, 10:46 PM
What's he going to do about it?

Fellatio will cease.

Fruit Ninja
03-28-2012, 10:53 PM
MItch will never say anything bad about the Chiefs. He will beat around the bush on any negative questions. Give every possible excuse.

He knows Matt sucks. Hell, you can hear it in Len Dawson's voice during games. He lets out groans that you know what to be followed by a WTF is he doing.

Douche Baggins
03-28-2012, 10:55 PM
MItch will never say anything bad about the Chiefs. He will beat around the bush on any negative questions. Give every possible excuse.

He knows Matt sucks. Hell, you can hear it in Len Dawson's voice during games. He lets out groans that you know what to be followed by a WTF is he doing.

Oh yeah, Dawson for sure.

I've had one conversation in my life with Len Dawson, and the topic was Brodie Croyle. He was completely unimpressed. ROFL

And this was in training camp 07.

Chocolate Hog
03-29-2012, 01:12 AM
Does this mean I'm banned?

Huh?

BTW who's this Chris Elliott dude? I need to friend him he has kick ass seats.

WhiteWhale
03-29-2012, 06:54 AM
I've had long conversations with Barry about Matt Cassel and Scott Pioli.

His patience is actually running out. He's giving them this season to prove they can win a playoff game.

Yeah, but he's functionally retarded.