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Okie_Apparition
03-28-2012, 04:13 PM
Chiefs will proceed cautiously with Jamaal Charles this spring
By Josh Looney

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-will-proceed-cautiously-with-Jamaal-Charles-this-spring/6bc4c387-c205-44f1-b28e-2f9687908296

Posted 11 hours ago

Team optimistic with injury rehabilitation as offseason program approaches

Advances in anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) reconstruction techniques continue to evolve at a tremendous rate.

Surgical procedures and materials have undergone dramatic changes in recent years, allowing athletes suffering ACL tears a faster and more reliable path back to the playing field.

However, even with recent medical advances, ACL reconstruction remains an inexact science. Every athlete responds differently.

For that reason, Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel plans to handle the return of Pro Bowl RB Jamaal Charles cautiously this spring.

“You don’t want him coming back too soon and then reinjuring himself,” Crennel said from the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Florida. “You talk to them about that, you have the trainer talk about it, his physician has to talk about it because when they do start feeling good, they want to do more.

“Then, you can do some preventative things also by fitting them with a brace and letting them work with a brace for a while until the knee gets stronger and they gain some stability.”

Charles began running in cleats last month while rehabbing with knee specialists outside Kansas City. It’s been about six months since Charles underwent surgery to repair a torn left ACL suffered Week Two of the 2011 season at Detroit.

Recovery time for ACL injuries generally averages between six and nine months.

“Jamaal stopped by the office recently,” Crennel said. “He came in for a check-up and he stopped by the office and I had a chance to talk to him and he was saying that his knee is doing well. He is running straight ahead, so he is making good progress.

“The trainer says he is on schedule, his rehab people say he is on schedule, so we’re excited about that news. Now, with that being said, you always have to wait until you get them on the field to see how they really do, but it’s optimistic right now.”

Charles is likely to see an abbreviated workload when OTAs begin in late May. The same goes for TE Tony Moeaki and S Eric Berry, who suffered left knee injuries within three weeks of Charles.

The Chiefs are hopeful each player will be ready for training camp in late July.

While Charles is being eased into action, free agent addition Peyton Hillis will receive an extended opportunity to work his way into Kansas City’s offensive plans for 2012.

“I think he’s going to be a complement (to Charles) because a couple of years ago when he was in Cleveland, he ran, he caught, he blocked,” Crennel said of Hillis, who turned in a career-season working with offensive coordinator Brian Daboll in 2010. “He kind of does it all. I think that his relationship with Daboll, where he had that kind of success. I think he feels good about it and how he is going to be used, so we’re going to use him in several different ways.”

New CBA procedures break the NFL offseason program into three phases spanning over nine weeks.

The first phase consists of two weeks of strength and conditioning work. Phase Two allows coaches to run players through individual drills for three weeks. The third and final phase allows for 10 OTA sessions and a mini-camp permitting helmets, but no pads.

Teams hiring new head coaches are permitted an extra mini-camp prior the NFL Draft, but the Chiefs won’t benefit from that rule because Crennel was promoted from within.

Phase One of the Chiefs offseason program begins on April 16th.

KCrockaholic
03-28-2012, 04:15 PM
We need him back 100%. He is where our offense begins.

Chocolate Hog
03-28-2012, 04:16 PM
No shit.

boogblaster
03-28-2012, 04:17 PM
hope he's back at full speed by seasons start .....

Micjones
03-28-2012, 04:22 PM
He's always been handled "cautiously", but if it means drafting Richardson...
The more weapons, the merrier!

lcarus
03-28-2012, 04:23 PM
Here comes another season of "Charles needs more carries" threads.

KCrockaholic
03-28-2012, 04:25 PM
Although we signed Hillis.... I'd still be ok with taking a guy such as Robert Turbin or Isiah Pead in a mid-round.

KCrockaholic
03-28-2012, 04:26 PM
Here comes another season of "Charles needs more carries" threads.

As long as Hillis doesn't suck ass like Thomas Jones nobody will complain about the carries. The problem was Charles was putting up over 6 yards a pop while Jones suckage was negating Charles production by racking up 2 or 3 yards a carry while JC had a breather. Taking Charles out killed our offensive production because Jones was an old bum.

Thig Lyfe
03-28-2012, 04:28 PM
Charles needs more Peyton Mannings

Mr. Laz
03-28-2012, 04:35 PM
Although we signed Hillis.... I'd still be ok with taking a guy such as Robert Turbin or Isiah Pead in a mid-round.
Heavy does of Hillis this year imo

Our inside blocking should be stronger, especially if we draft DeCastro. I imagine the combination of Asomoah(in his 2nd full year) and Winston is going to be pretty decent. Hopefully Hudson/draftee will bring better power at center than Wiegmann.

Charles is coming off an injury and i expect his carries to by at a minimal during the early part of the season. Might just be a 3rd down back only for awhile.

Hillis is only on a 1-year deal ... run that shit until it breaks. :D

philfree
03-28-2012, 04:40 PM
We need another RB!

As in more.

Okie_Apparition
03-28-2012, 04:41 PM
Work on your QB skills Jamaal
McCluster is too short

WhiteWhale
03-28-2012, 04:43 PM
As long as Hillis doesn't suck ass like Thomas Jones nobody will complain about the carries. The problem was Charles was putting up over 6 yards a pop while Jones suckage was negating Charles production by racking up 2 or 3 yards a carry while JC had a breather. Taking Charles out killed our offensive production because Jones was an old bum.

It was annoying to look at a stat line and see the following:

J. Charles 7 Att 65 yds
T. Jones 21 Att 48 yds.

Mr. Laz
03-28-2012, 04:45 PM
As long as Hillis doesn't suck ass like Thomas Jones nobody will complain about the carries. The problem was Charles was putting up over 6 yards a pop while Jones suckage was negating Charles production by racking up 2 or 3 yards a carry while JC had a breather. Taking Charles out killed our offensive production because Jones was an old bum.

none of the inside guys produce worth a dam because the interior blocking sucked.

PLAYER ____ ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Thomas Jones 153 478 3.1 26 0
Jackie Battle _ 149 597 4.0 34 2
Le'Ron McClain 015 051 3.4 12 1

KCrockaholic
03-28-2012, 04:48 PM
none of the inside guys produce worth a dam because the interior blocking sucked.

That was part of it, but Jones had no ability at all to make someone miss. It had more to do with Jones than anything else. Lilja was actually pretty good in 2010. Weigmann was same as always.

KCrockaholic
03-28-2012, 04:49 PM
none of the inside guys produce worth a dam because the interior blocking sucked.

PLAYER ____ ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Thomas Jones 153 478 3.1 26 0
Jackie Battle _ 149 597 4.0 34 2
Le'Ron McClain 015 051 3.4 12 1

I was referring to the 2010 team with JC. But yes, as for the 2011 team, you're correct, the inside blocking was pretty bad.

Not nearly as bad as running off right tackle though.

Mr. Laz
03-28-2012, 04:50 PM
I was referring to the 2010 team with JC.
ah ... muh bad.

Mr. Laz
03-28-2012, 04:51 PM
That was part of it, but Jones had no ability at all to make someone miss. It had more to do with Jones than anything else. Lilja was actually pretty good in 2010. Weigmann was same as always.
not saying jones was any good, just that it was more than him as the problem.

Micjones
03-28-2012, 04:52 PM
Was Jones ever that shifty though?
I think he's just lost a step and the ability to make a hole in the NFL.
A tenth of a second makes the difference between getting to the 2nd level and being tackled.

BossChief
03-28-2012, 06:05 PM
Even with Hillis, Id still take Richardson if he is there at 11.

Unless there is an opportunity to move down and add a premium pick this or next year in the process. My ultimate preference would be to move back to the Bengals 2nd first rounder and add their next years first round pick...but things dont often go that well.

I almost expect Hillis to have a good year and then create trouble trying to get a huge payday after the year.

Its strange...I am usually clowning people for wanting running backs in the early first round...but Trent Richardson is fucking awesome.

Oh yeah, LOL @ GoChiefs for betting me his sig AND avatar FOR A WHOLE YEAR that Charles gets 300 offensive touches next year.

Id be a bit surprised if he gets much more than half that.

the Talking Can
03-28-2012, 06:08 PM
yeah, i still hope we pick up mid round RB...trading down for a 3rd would make it possible

BossChief
03-28-2012, 06:18 PM
If we are stuck at 11 and take Kuechly or Decastro, a little more of the homer inside BossChief will die with that pick.

Id much rather move up and take Tanehill (even though I dont really like that idea) or if we are stuck at 11, take Barron.

Teams like the Steelers turn #11 picks into Ben Rothlisberger...

mr. tegu
03-28-2012, 06:53 PM
As deflating as Charles' injury was at least it happened early in the season allowing for ample time for recovery that won't be rushed.

The Iron Chief
03-28-2012, 08:43 PM
Chiefs will proceed cautiously with Jamaal Charles this spring
By Josh Looney

WoW thank you Looney for that insight!

I thought for sure the Chiefs would be hap hazard and toss JC into 30+ rushes his very first outing.

Given the Chiefs track record of rolling the dice taking chances giving anything a try pushing players to their upper most limits and capabilities.. I for one am God damn relieved to know it will be Business as usual around here.

Umm that aside yes we must take baby steps JC but it'll be a yr..part time at first with the wrong Peyton then lets see if your a$$ is back or will you be another player to never make it back from said injury.

Thx again Looney I'll sleep better tonight

SNR
03-28-2012, 08:57 PM
If we are stuck at 11 and take Kuechly or Decastro, a little more of the homer inside BossChief will die with that pick.

Id much rather move up and take Tanehill (even though I dont really like that idea) or if we are stuck at 11, take Barron.

Teams like the Steelers turn #11 picks into Ben Rothlisberger...If Ben Roethlisberger just finished college this year he would get taken in the top 5. It's a different league.

Shit, I shouldn't have said that. Chiefzilla is going to tell me I'm wrong.

58-4ever
03-28-2012, 09:05 PM
If Richardson is there at 11 (I do not think he will be), i think we have to draft him. We've put ourselves in position to draft the BPA, and that's what we have to do. (As long as we find a NT, LB, G, and Safety later on, whether that be draft or FA)

BossChief
03-28-2012, 09:15 PM
Big Ben was still gonna have that "small school" knock on him.

He would go higher than before, but Im not sure he would be a lock to be a top 5 pick.

I guess my point is that there was risk for that high of a pick and a small school kid...but they had a team somewhat ready to win then and now and they took a guy they didnt really see playing early on and caught lightening in a bottle.

they rolled the dice and left the casino with a stack of cash.

We are in a position roster wise that we can burn that first and a second or third to get up to 7 to take Tanehill if we chose to roll the dice.

I dont like it, but its probably our best chance.

I obviously think Stanzi has the tools it takes to succeed, but I am tired of this team putting all its eggs into baskets that have holes in them and then acting surprised that all their eggs are broken.

If we decide to wait till next year, we are begging to get bit in the ass by Landry Blackledge for a couple years.

That, my friend, is probably worse than moving up to take Tanehill.

No fucking way a legit franchise quarterback falls into the 20s next year...or even the late teens.

No fucking way.

We are looking at Landry Fucking Jones.

Mr. Laz
03-28-2012, 09:19 PM
No fucking way a legit franchise quarterback falls into the 20s next year...or even the late teens.

No fucking way.

We are looking at Landry Fucking Jones.
we will have to trade down this year with a shitty team for their 1st next year if we want a real shot at a top pick.

jspchief
03-28-2012, 09:29 PM
As ok as I am with taking Tannehill, I'm not ok with moving up to do it. It's enough of a risk that spending additional picks just seems like too much.

htismaqe
03-29-2012, 07:18 AM
Big Ben was still gonna have that "small school" knock on him.

He would go higher than before, but Im not sure he would be a lock to be a top 5 pick.

I guess my point is that there was risk for that high of a pick and a small school kid...but they had a team somewhat ready to win then and now and they took a guy they didnt really see playing early on and caught lightening in a bottle.

they rolled the dice and left the casino with a stack of cash.

We are in a position roster wise that we can burn that first and a second or third to get up to 7 to take Tanehill if we chose to roll the dice.

I dont like it, but its probably our best chance.

I obviously think Stanzi has the tools it takes to succeed, but I am tired of this team putting all its eggs into baskets that have holes in them and then acting surprised that all their eggs are broken.

If we decide to wait till next year, we are begging to get bit in the ass by Landry Blackledge for a couple years.

That, my friend, is probably worse than moving up to take Tanehill.

No ****ing way a legit franchise quarterback falls into the 20s next year...or even the late teens.

No ****ing way.

We are looking at Landry ****ing Jones.

Tannehill isn't a significantly better QB than Jones. Prospect yes. QUARTERBACK? No.

ChiefRocka
03-29-2012, 07:40 AM
Agreed, Haley was all over Thomas Jones' nuts as well as Palko. Good luck it Pitt !!

Chiefshrink
03-29-2012, 07:41 AM
If Richardson is there at 11 (I do not think he will be), i think we have to draft him. We've put ourselves in position to draft the BPA, and that's what we have to do. (As long as we find a NT, LB, G, and Safety later on, whether that be draft or FA)

Agree !! "With the 11th pick, the Kansas City Chiefs select Trent Richardson" !!

In years past, yes we would have to trade up but as the NFL game has evolved into more of a passing game and the running game into more of a running back by committee situation more teams are avoiding the premium of taking a RB with their first pick unless that back is ultra elite like Adrian Peterson and TR ain't no AP IMHO.

I think we legitimately have a shot at 11:thumb:

okcchief
03-29-2012, 07:50 AM
If Richardson falls we need to take him. We need to be able to run the shit out of the ball with dipshit under center.

Count Zarth
03-29-2012, 07:54 AM
I wish we could just put Charles into stasis until Cassel is gone.

Setsuna
03-29-2012, 08:48 AM
If Hillis is your answer to tiptoe around with Charles, you are going to be in for a rude awakening.....when he turns the ball over every other time.

BigChiefFan
03-29-2012, 10:23 AM
We have to bring in some HBs. Pioli has done an awful job in this area.

Easy 6
03-29-2012, 11:34 AM
If Richardson falls we need to take him. We need to be able to run the shit out of the ball with dipshit under center.

Absolutely, and who really knows how Charles will look, i'm certainly in favor of drafting a top back this year.

Adding a guy like Richardson should ensure a top ground game to hide & coddle Cassel, if one of the other two disappoints.