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BossChief
03-29-2012, 01:54 AM
Ryan Tannehill, 6-4/221

Quarterback

Texas A&M


Ryan Tannehill Scouting Report (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012rtannehill.php)
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
Good arm strength
Quick release
Accurate thrower
Good mechanics
Plus field vision
Extremely mobile with scrambling ability
Can pick up critical yards with his feet
Accuracy potential throwing downfield
Good fit for NFL offenses
Intelligent
Hard worker
Leader
Passionate for the game
Good teammate without an ego
Opens up mismatches for teammates with dual-threat nature
Quality wide receiver
Versatile athlete; could stay on the field in a wildcat at QB or WR
High-character individual



Weaknesses:
Needs to improve his anticipation
Ball security; interceptions and fumbles
Has small hands
Only 19 collegiate starts, 20 games at quarterback

Summary: Tannehill is one of the most hotly debated prospects in the 2012 NFL Draft. He is the consensus third-rated quarterback behind Stanford's Andrew Luck and Baylor's Robert Griffin III. Like those two signal-callers, Tannehill is an excellent athlete who has a good arm. He has the physical skill set of a first-round quarterback.

The drawback to Tannehill is a lack of experience. He started out his collegiate career at wide receiver. In Tannehill's interview with WalterFootball.com, he revealed that he always attended the quarterback meetings and was the backup quarterback while playing wide out. However, the Aggies needed Tannehill's athletic ability to contribute to the offense.

Tannehill started out the 2010 season at receiver with 11 receptions for 143 yards and a touchdown in six games. He moved to quarterback midway through the year. In his first collegiate start at quarterback, Tannehill completed 36-of-50 passes for 449 yards and four touchdowns with one interception against Texas Tech. He remained the starter from then on. Tannehill made 65 percent of his passes for 1,638 yards with 13 touchdowns and six interceptions in seven games at quarterback in 2010.

As a senior in 2011, Tannehill had some massive games. He also had some bad performances in the second half of contests that contributed to the Aggies blowing big leads, and thereby losing games, to Oklahoma State and Arkansas. Tannehill also threw three interceptions per game against Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Texas. Tannehill completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,744 yards with 29 touchdowns and 15 interceptions for the season. He also ran for 355 yards with four more scores.

Foot surgery kept Tannehill out of the Senior Bowl and the NFL Scouting Combine. He is nearing 100 percent and is working out without restrictions. Tannehill has been getting tutored well by former NFL quarterback Chris Weinke at IMG Academies in Bradenton, Fla. Weinke worked with Cam Newton throughout 2011 during the lockout and helped the Panther quarterback lay the foundation to hit the ground running in the NFL. Newton has returned to IMG this offseason to practice with Weinke and Tannehill.

Aside from Newton, Tannehill got good preparation for the NFL from his former head coach at A&M, Mike Sherman. Tannehill did a good job of running Sherman's West Coast offense. The former Packers head coach Sherman was fired at the end of the season and now is the offensive coordinator with the Miami Dolphins. Tannehill looks like a good fit for the West Coast offense in the NFL.

Tannehill has a strong arm with the potential to grow into an accurate passer. The senior also has rare mobility. He still needs to make up for a lot of lost playing time to learn the mental necessities of the position. It may best for Tannehill to be brought along slowly with a lot of practice time before being made the starter.

Steadily, draft pundits are pushing Tannehill into the top half of the first round and the top 10. Many believe that he grades out as a second-round pick, but the demand for quarterbacks in the NFL pushes him into the first round. Tannehill has the physical skill set to be an effective starting quarterback in the NFL.



Player Comparison: Rich Gannon. In watching Tannehill during the 2011 season, I was reminded of Gannon when he was playing well. In his peak years with the Oakland Raiders, Gannon was a force who could rip a defense through the air but also pick up some critical third downs with his feet. Tannehill has a skill set and style like Gannon. If Tannehill lands in the right spot, and is developed well, he could turn into a quarterback who is comparable to the 2002 NFL MVP.

NFL Matches: Cleveland, Miami, Kansas City, Philadelphia

The top two teams that are likely to land Tannehill are the Browns and Dolphins. Both franchises were unable to land a definitive starting quarterback thus far in the offseason. Cleveland tried to trade up for Robert Griffin III, and there have been some rumors that the Miami did as well.

Browns coach Pat Shurmur thinks highly of Tannehill, while Sherman is now the offensive coordinator of the Dolphins. Cleveland could take Tannehill with the fourth-overall pick, but if it passes on him, Miami could grab him with the eighth pick. If Tannehill falls past both the Browns and the Dolphins, Cleveland could consider trading up for him via their pick at No. 22. The Browns also could hope that he makes to that selection.

If the Browns and Dolphins pass on Tannehill, the next team that could select him would be the Chiefs. They don't have a long-term starter and need a difference-maker at quarterback. The Eagles, at No. 15, always look to land quarterback talent. Michael Vick turns 32 this year, so Philadelphia could groom Tannehill for a year or two while Vick finishes out his career. Tannehill would be Andy Reid's ticket to an extension.

SNR
03-29-2012, 02:06 AM
That list of strengths reads a lot like Dontari Poe's report about his ability to take on double teams at the next level. Neither is completely true.

Does this guy have a single bad thing to say about Tannehill? There are plenty besides the size of his freakin hands.

BossChief
03-29-2012, 02:24 AM
To me, it reads that he sees his weakness as his inexperience and things that are a direct result of such. Thats probably a pretty big list of stuff like "has difficulty in situational football" and "struggles at times to make correct decisions against better defenses" or "seems to have mechanical issues on some of his throws that leads to inaccurate passes"

It's just easier to lump that all into the whole "inexperience" thing.

I actually see a lot of his talents transitioning to our offensive system quite well.

"good on short and intermediate throws and extending the play"

Pretty much what this team needs if you ask me.

Is there a site one can go to and download whole games of Tanehill?

htismaqe
03-29-2012, 07:57 AM
You can immediately dismiss this guy.

He said the Chiefs don't have a long-term starter when everybody knows Cassel has another 5-6 years left in him.

bevischief
03-29-2012, 11:40 AM
You can immediately dismiss this guy.

He said the Chiefs don't have a long-term starter when everybody knows Cassel has another 5-6 years left in him.

I don't think this could stand that...

DeezNutz
03-29-2012, 11:45 AM
"potential to grow into an accurate passer..."

Yeah, I have serious reservations about whether or not this is possible at the highest level. In many ways, the red flags are similar to the problems that have manifested with Cassel: inexperience playing QB.

Tough. Pioli doesn't have the balls to take any QB in the first, but I'd respect him if he made the selection. I don't think I would with this particular player if I were in his shoes.

Dave Lane
03-30-2012, 10:03 PM
My biggest concern is the three better schools Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Texas he threw three interceptions each. He managed to beat the lesser teams but couldn't win against teams with a winning record, who does that sound like?

BryanBusby
03-31-2012, 12:02 AM
A lot of that was Tannehill trying to make something out of nothing when it just wasn't there. That's what inexperience and a receiving group that led the NCAA in drops will do.

whoman69
03-31-2012, 11:17 AM
A lot of that was Tannehill trying to make something out of nothing when it just wasn't there. That's what inexperience and a receiving group that led the NCAA in drops will do.

Replace Tannehill with Cassel and NCAA with NFL and you have the same excuses.

milkman
03-31-2012, 08:34 PM
Replace Tannehill with Cassel and NCAA with NFL and you have the same excuses.

You're smarter than this.

Cassel isn't making mistakes from trying to make things happen.

Bewbies
03-31-2012, 09:59 PM
You're smarter than this.

Cassel isn't making mistakes from trying to make things happen.

I've spotted your mistake right here.

whoman69
04-01-2012, 10:25 AM
You're smarter than this.

Cassel isn't making mistakes from trying to make things happen.

Baloney. He took tons of sacks in his first year holding onto the ball trying to make things happen. Most of Tannehill's INTs are in games where they had a lead and blew that lead. If Tony Romo and Matt Cassel had a baby...it might be Tannehill.

Chiefnj2
04-01-2012, 10:49 AM
You're smarter than this.

Cassel isn't making mistakes from trying to make things happen.

Not true. Look at his one playoff game. He played fairly well in the first half. Second half after a few fumbles and stalls he starts pressing and throws 3-4 picks.

milkman
04-01-2012, 01:02 PM
Baloney. He took tons of sacks in his first year holding onto the ball trying to make things happen. Most of Tannehill's INTs are in games where they had a lead and blew that lead. If Tony Romo and Matt Cassel had a baby...it might be Tannehill.

So he took tons of sacks for the same reason in New England, right?

He held onto the ball so long because he can't make quick progressions.

Sorry to have misjudged.

You're a dumbshit.

milkman
04-01-2012, 01:04 PM
Not true. Look at his one playoff game. He played fairly well in the first half. Second half after a few fumbles and stalls he starts pressing and throws 3-4 picks.

Jamaal Charles played fairly well, then the Ravens took the run game away.

He threw picks right into the hands of defenders in the second half.

I'm amazed at the sheer stupidity of some of these posts defending Cassel.

Bewbies
04-01-2012, 01:46 PM
If we had the first pick we'd hear all about how we need to take Kalil. We'd hear about how Cassel this or that and Luck just isn't.

The fear of the QB position around here is hilarious.

Buckweath
04-01-2012, 02:43 PM
Chiefs 2012 season AKA how much can Matt Cassell limit us?

whoman69
04-01-2012, 02:48 PM
So he took tons of sacks for the same reason in New England, right?

He held onto the ball so long because he can't make quick progressions.

Sorry to have misjudged.

You're a dumbshit.

Matt Cassel led the league in sacks when he was with the Patriots. Like you said he cannot make quick progressions, but there still has to be some inner clock telling him to get rid of the ball. If he can't make his progressions he should at least know when he needs to throw it away.

milkman
04-01-2012, 04:11 PM
Matt Cassel led the league in sacks when he was with the Patriots. Like you said he cannot make quick progressions, but there still has to be some inner clock telling him to get rid of the ball. If he can't make his progressions he should at least know when he needs to throw it away.

That's one of the mental aspects of the position that Matt Cassel doesn't possess.

whoman69
04-01-2012, 05:02 PM
That's one of the mental aspects of the position that Matt Cassel doesn't possess.

He has a pretty big list.

KCDC
04-14-2012, 01:36 AM
Parcell's rules on QBs:

1.The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
2.He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
3.He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
4.He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.

Stanzi passed this test and was drafted by his son-in-law last year. Tannehill does not pass. Odds are that Pioli's interest in Tannehill is more of a misdirection.

jspchief
04-14-2012, 04:05 AM
Parcell's rules on QBs:

1.The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
2.He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
3.He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
4.He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.

Stanzi passed this test and was drafted by his son-in-law last year. Tannehill does not pass. Odds are that Pioli's interest in Tannehill is more of a misdirection.

How does Cassel score on this test?

Fat Elvis
04-14-2012, 06:26 AM
How does Cassel score on this test?

Awesome

ILChief
04-14-2012, 06:41 AM
How does Cassel score on this test?

He may have graduated

Dave Lane
04-14-2012, 06:54 AM
How does Cassel score on this test?

What round did we draft Castle again?

jspchief
04-14-2012, 06:58 AM
What round did we draft Castle again?

Pioli drafted him in the 7th round.

Bewbies
04-14-2012, 09:27 PM
Parcell's rules on QBs:

1.The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
2.He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
3.He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
4.He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.

Stanzi passed this test and was drafted by his son-in-law last year. Tannehill does not pass. Odds are that Pioli's interest in Tannehill is more of a misdirection.

I think earlier we discussed the closest match on this (not being Luck or RG3) was Foles??

I think this list is changing, too many studs come out early now. If you are dead set on this list you're never going to get a QB...

O.city
04-14-2012, 09:32 PM
Stanzi met every check on that list, IIRC

BossChief
04-14-2012, 09:43 PM
Funny that Drew Bledsoe (Parcells chosen one in NE and Dallas) didn't meet that criteria and was Parcells top overall pick back in the day.

Almost all of the superbowl winning quarterbacks of before the rule changes also fit that criteria.

I'd really like to know the exact knock Stanzi had that scared teams off.

O.city
04-14-2012, 09:45 PM
Penis was too big maybe?


I have no idea. Everything I've read from last year had him as a 2 or 3 rounder at the latest.

Bowser
04-14-2012, 09:49 PM
I'd really like to know the exact knock Stanzi had that scared teams off.

All I remember hearing about the kid was that he made poor decisions under pressure that led to untimely picks. And IIRC, he didn't exactly light it up against Missouri in his last bowl game. Didn't he have a few turnovers in that game?

Chief Roundup
04-14-2012, 10:36 PM
The one thing I didn't see in the report is that he is also a coaches son.

BossChief
04-14-2012, 11:01 PM
All I remember hearing about the kid was that he made poor decisions under pressure that led to untimely picks. And IIRC, he didn't exactly light it up against Missouri in his last bowl game. Didn't he have a few turnovers in that game?

He made bad decisions early in games his soph and junior years.

Over half of his college picks came in the first quarter of games.

Most weren't under pressure, they were just bad decisions. Forced passes trying to make a big play and he didn't utilize good mechanics in them and therefore they didn't have the zip they should have had.

A few of them were pick sixes that compounded the problem.

Three things about that, though.

1) he almost always made up for those mistakes when he needed to and won the game with big throws

2) those types of things almost completely disappeared during his senior year.

3) he never had good position coaching at Iowa. Still has a ways to go before he reaches his ceiling.

Chief Roundup
04-14-2012, 11:07 PM
Stanzi's scouting report

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011rstanzi_greg.php

Weaknesses:
Footwork issues in pocket
Forces throws into spots he should not
Loses accuracy beyond short routes
Inconsistent decision making
Lost more close games than won
Questionable pocket presence

Summary: Ricky Stanzi entered the national spotlight in 2009 when Iowa started 9-0. In the final game of that opening run against Indiana, he threw interceptions on all four of the team's third quarter possessions, but shook it off to direct four touchdown drives in the fourth quarter. He was injured during a loss the next week against Northwestern that started a stretch where Iowa went 8-6. He did finish his career in style by recording a win over Blaine Gabbert's Missouri team in the Insight Bowl. The team drafting him knows what they are getting, which is probably a safe backup with the potential to start down the road.

Player Comparison: Curtis Painter. Their draft stock arc is quite different (Painter was once touted as a potential first-rounder) but the fellow Big Ten signal-callers have an almost identical frame. Other similarities include arm strength and a tendency to lock on to receivers. If the Colts give up on their three0year plan for the development of Painter (this being the third season) they might draft Stanzi assuming the price tag is not too high.

Saccopoo
04-15-2012, 12:21 AM
He made bad decisions early in games his soph and junior years.

Over half of his college picks came in the first quarter of games.

Most weren't under pressure, they were just bad decisions. Forced passes trying to make a big play and he didn't utilize good mechanics in them and therefore they didn't have the zip they should have had.

A few of them were pick sixes that compounded the problem.

Three things about that, though.

1) he almost always made up for those mistakes when he needed to and won the game with big throws

2) those types of things almost completely disappeared during his senior year.

3) he never had good position coaching at Iowa. Still has a ways to go before he reaches his ceiling.

This.

The strides Stanzi made as a senior was excellent - in terms of his decision making and progressions.

And even before that, he won against the better competition. Won his bowl games.

Stanzi is a good quarterback.

He's got very good potential if given the chance.