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Saccopoo
04-08-2012, 12:44 PM
1. Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB; Illinois: 6’3 5/8”, 261 lbs.
- Merciless was the Thomas Robinson of college football. For two years he waited to start and when he got the starting job as a junior he absolutely exploded, leading the college ranks with 16 sacks, 9 forced fumbles (matching an NCAA record), and second in the NCAA’s with 22.5 tackles for a loss. He has an amazing first step/burst to go along with usable strength. He’s got incredibly long arms on a long frame and possesses an uncanny ability to get into the backfield and find the ball. Ted Hendriks Award winner and first team AP All-American. IMO, the best 3-4 OLB/edge rusher prospect in this draft.

Combine results:
Arms: 33 7/8”
40: 4.67
Vert: 32”
Broad: 9’10”
20 ss: 4.53
3 Cone: 7.17
Bench: 27

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2. Harrison Smith, S; Notre Dame: 6’1 3/4”, 213 lbs.
- Smith, a two-time team captain for the Irish, has excellent ball skills and very good athleticism. Prototype size for the position. Is very effective playing the run as well.

Combine results:
40: 4.57
Vert: 34”
Broad: 10’2”
20 ss: 4.12
3 Cone: 6.63
Bench: 19

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3. Robert Turbin, RB; Utah State: 5’9 ˝”, 222 lbs.
- Don’t judge him just on biceps alone. Turbin, the conference Offensive Player of the Year, has excellent hands and surprising lateral agility and speed for such a compact runner, but also runs with power and a touch of nasty.

Combine results:
40: 4.50
Vert: 36”
Broad: 10’2”
20 ss: 4.31
3 Cone: 7.16
Bench: 28

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4. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6’4 ˝”, 305 lbs.
- Experienced and productive, Reynolds is a four year starter at left tackle for the Cougars (started all 52 games at LT) which netted him First Team Freshman AP All-American and four consecutive first team All-Conference nominations. Former HS All-American. Athletic, with excellent footwork, he is equally effective in both run and pass protection. Plays through the whistle and is very effective in getting into the second level. Would be an excellent zone tackle.

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5. David Molk, C; Michigan: 6’1”, 298 lbs.
- The reigning Rimington Award winner, which is given to college’s top center, Molk has excellent agility and power. Plays with great leverage and is very effective pulling and trapping. Like the aforementioned Reynolds, Molk is an excellent zone scheme prospect.

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6. Audie Cole, ILB; North Carolina State: 6’4”, 246 lbs.
- Cole flourished this past season after moving inside from his original OLB position, leading the Wolfpack in tackles (97), with 10.5 tackles for loss and 5 sacks. With the loss of Demorrio Williams, the Chiefs will be looking for a replacement in this draft. Cole’s experience, productivity and versatility would be a nice addition to the team.

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7. Kellen Moore, QB; Boise State, 6’0”, 198 lbs.
- The winningest quarterback in college football history. Period. Heisman, O’Brien and Maxwell Award finalist and named the nations top QB by the Touchdown Club of Columbus. Led the nation in passing efficiency in 2011. Does not make mistakes and has an uncanny feel for the game. Goes through progressions better than anyone in this draft.

From his Pro Day workout:
“Moore completed 52-of-53 throws in the passing drills. His one miss was on the fourth throw of the workout, a deep ball to Shoemaker that was overthrown by about an inch. He showed good zip and excellent timing, and hit several 50-yard bombs. “A lot of scouts felt Kellen’s individual workout was better than any quarterback workout out West this year,” one NFL scout said.”

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7. Kashif Moore, WR; Connecticut: 5’9”, 180 lbs.
- A multi-purpose threat who averaged 12.6 yards per catch and 21.1 yards per kickoff return. Legs are absolute springs as evidenced by his combine performance. His athleticism screams “special teams ace.”

Combine stats:
40: 4.42
Vert: 43 ˝”
Broad: 10’6”
20 ss: 4.05
3 Cone: 6.82
Bench: 19

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BigMeatballDave
04-08-2012, 12:58 PM
11 might be a little high for Mercilus.

I really like Harrison Smith.

Not a bad mock.

KCrockaholic
04-08-2012, 01:24 PM
I like this one. But I'd swap out Turbin for Josh Chapman. We need NT depth. Hell we need a starter.

And I'll be honest, I'd be excited if we draft Kellen Moore. I've always liked him. Unfortunate he's so frail, and has below average arm strength.

O.city
04-08-2012, 01:24 PM
One of the better mocks Sac. Good job.


I like Mercilus. At 11, we are in a weird spot in that of our big needs there isn't anyone there. Mercilus can blossom into something special.

Bowser
04-08-2012, 01:35 PM
Looks good.

If we were to take Mercilus, what happens with Houston? Do they share the field onpassing downs, or does one come off?

O.city
04-08-2012, 01:37 PM
You can never have too many passrushers, as much as teams throw the ball these days.


Mercilus can be a pass rush specialist this year. Go from there.

KCrockaholic
04-08-2012, 01:40 PM
Looks good.

If we were to take Mercilus, what happens with Houston? Do they share the field onpassing downs, or does one come off?

Good problem to have huh?

Houston did a fine job in run defense last year. He was surprisingly strong at the POA and did a good job stretching runners out to the sideline. I'd like to see Hali, Houston, Mercilus together on passing downs. Houston in our base 3-4, and allow Mercilus to come in as a rotational guy between Hali and Houston.

Tamba's played a lot of downs in his career already, I'm sure it'd help if we gave him a breather for the first time in his career.

O.city
04-08-2012, 01:41 PM
It would def. be a good problem to have.


In pass rush packages you could have Houston, Hali, Mercilus, Bailey, Jackson, DJ, Arenas, and Berry all as possibly guys coming after the quarterback.

KCrockaholic
04-08-2012, 01:45 PM
It would def. be a good problem to have.


In pass rush packages you could have Houston, Hali, Mercilus, Bailey, Jackson, DJ, Arenas, and Berry all as possibly guys coming after the quarterback.

That's damn scary. Not Jackson necessarily....But if we maybe re-sign Gilberry, that would make it even better.

I really hope we work something out with him. He's underrated as a pass rusher.

O.city
04-08-2012, 01:48 PM
Not as worried about Gillberry. I think Jackson has alot of potential as a bull rusher. He showed a little last year.


Also have to have some meat on the field so teams don't just audible and run it at us with that front.

BryanBusby
04-08-2012, 01:57 PM
No offensive linemen until day 3? Someone has jacked his account.

xztop12
04-08-2012, 01:57 PM
I will judge Turbin on biceps alone. Biceps helps a rb in ball security tremendously. good pick

O.city
04-08-2012, 01:58 PM
I like Turbin alot. I like Pead alot too.



I wish we could squeeze a Joe Adams or Wright from Arkansas out of this draft.

Nightfyre
04-08-2012, 02:01 PM
I could be not terrifically pissed off if it went down like this. I think the third and fourth is a bit early for Turbin and Reynolds (probably fifth and sixth round prospects, respectively?) I am on board with the Mercilus/Smith/Turbin/Molk/Cole picks as players, though.

O.city
04-08-2012, 02:04 PM
If you could drop Moore and push the 4, 5, 6 rounders back a round and add Chapman, I would jump for joy.

milkman
04-08-2012, 03:24 PM
I could get behind this draft, with the excetion of Moore.

I don't care what he did in a contolled setting on a pro day, he doesn't have the size or arm strength to compete on the NFL level.

Find another QB.

O.city
04-08-2012, 03:36 PM
Another guy I'd like to look at is Bruce Irvin. If he is around in the second or third round.

AustinChief
04-08-2012, 03:42 PM
Would love to see this happen... but once again... David Molk is not falling to the 5th round. He is now getting projected by many to go in the late 3rd. If he is there when we pick in the 4th, we would be idiots not to take him. It would take a miracle for him to fall much further. He is the #2 center in the entire draft and the #1 zone blocker.

O.city
04-08-2012, 03:43 PM
Would love to see this happen... but once again... David Molk is not falling to the 5th round. He is now getting projected by many to go in the late 3rd. If he is there when we pick in the 4th, we would be idiots not to take him. It would take a miracle for him to fall much further. He is the #2 center in the entire draft and the #1 zone blocker.

Probably this.



We need a new Center in a bad way. If we took him in the third, wouldn't be upset at all.

WildTurkey
04-08-2012, 04:11 PM
Love the Mercilus pick, you can never have too many pass rushers... The rest of the draft is good.. Not sold on Moore but I like the thought of picking a QB there.


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the Talking Can
04-08-2012, 04:41 PM
i want to provide positive reinforcement simply because you dropped the idea of drafting a tackle in round 1....

i like the draft, and agree we need a RB...but also think we need a NT (and i like powe but ?) and Chapman is the perfect no-frills, bargain 2-down meatbag from the best 3-4 defense in college...

which is why i hope and pray we can trade down...even an extra 3rd let's us get a RB AND a NT...still take the best OLB/DE on the board in the first

Saccopoo
04-08-2012, 05:24 PM
Would love to see this happen... but once again... David Molk is not falling to the 5th round. He is now getting projected by many to go in the late 3rd. If he is there when we pick in the 4th, we would be idiots not to take him. It would take a miracle for him to fall much further. He is the #2 center in the entire draft and the #1 zone blocker.

I don't know...you've got Konz, Brewster, Blake and Jones who might go ahead of him.

I wouldn't have thought that Matt Tennant would have gone in the fifth round of the 2010 draft, but he did. Centers don't get drafted much or highly unless you are a completely freak like Alex Mack.

Molk is short and doesn't have the mass most teams like.

I think he's a stud and would be a fine center for this team, but I can't see him going earlier than the mid-4th.

Likewise, I can't see Reynolds getting past the fourth round. Extremely productive and durable and experienced.

If you want to switch those two, I'm okay with that, but I think that they are going to be around that general area.

I never thought Jerrell Powe would have lasted until the sixth last year, but he did and the Chiefs were wise to sit on him until then.

And to those talking Chapman, I don't know if you take a NT this year. They resigned Gordon and probably will resign Gregg to a one year deal. I think they'll want to see how Powe comes around in his second season before drafting another pure NT.

Add to that that next year's draft has the chance to have potentially three first round graded NT's in it. I think that if Powe doesn't make the move or show enough this next season, then you take one next year with that first rounder (if they don't go the QB route).

KCDC
04-08-2012, 05:34 PM
I could get behind this draft, with the excetion of Moore.

I don't care what he did in a contolled setting on a pro day, he doesn't have the size or arm strength to compete on the NFL level.

Find another QB.

I understand the desire for a bit more height and arm strength; but, I would value accuracy and smarts over the other skills. There are plenty of tall guys with big arms that aren't accurate, don't read defenses well, or panic. I'd like to see a QB poised and accurate in the mid-range passing game. This is especially true of a late round pick.

milkman
04-08-2012, 05:39 PM
I understand the desire for a bit more height and arm strength; but, I would value accuracy and smarts over the other skills. There are plenty of tall guys with big arms that aren't accurate, don't read defenses well, or panic. I'd like to see a QB poised and accurate in the mid-range passing game. This is especially true of a late round pick.

Dude has Tyler Palko arm strength.

Chad Pennington's arm looks like a howitzer by comparison.

I don't care how smart and accurate you are, if you have the arm strength of a 6th grader, you ain't getting it done in the NFL.

whoman69
04-08-2012, 05:58 PM
Moore doesn't have anywhere near the arm to be an NFL QB.

Saccopoo
04-08-2012, 06:29 PM
Moore doesn't have anywhere near the arm to be an NFL QB.

From his Pro Day:

Other than that, he showed off the accuracy and timing that made him a Heisman finalist in college. To put an exclamation mark on his performance, he even capped the day with back-to-back 60-yard throws into the endzone, which hit his receivers in stride.
While there are numerous skeptics about Kellen's size and arm strength, following his workout today one NFL scout said "he's changed my mind."

“The impressive thing about Kellen is he threw very well in drills, but that’s not where he shines. He shines when he plays. … To me, that just looked like him day in and day out. I thought he did well, but the best of Kellen is when he plays the game.”

Representatives from 28 teams were in attendance, including Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis and offensive coordinator Jay Gruden. Other teams of note included the Patriots, Jets, Cardinals, Rams, Vikings, Falcons, Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Chiefs, Colts, Eagles, 49ers, Jaguars, and new Peyton Manning squeeze the Denver Broncos.

And it's a seventh round pick. If you want to take another fullback from Yale, or, just maybe, give a guy who ended his college career as the most winning quarterback in college football history, a guy who has an uncanny feel for the game, a film room junkie, a total clutch player, a natural leader, an incredibly accurate passer, etc., a shot, I think I'd be okay with that. Chiefs can take Kellen Moore in the seventh all day long as far as I'm concerned. Ryan Leaf, Kyle Boller, Jamarcus Russell, et al. had all the physical intangibles. I'll take a guy who actually has shown he can lead a team to victory despite not having the measurables - especially in the seventh round.

Reaper16
04-08-2012, 07:04 PM
There is no fucking risk in taking Kellen Moore in the 7th round. None. Nothing to complain about. Especially when you consider the types of nobodies that Pioli usually selects in that round.

milkman
04-08-2012, 07:07 PM
There is no ****ing risk in taking Kellen Moore in the 7th round. None. Nothing to complain about. Especially when you consider the types of nobodies that Pioli usually selects in that round.

If you're simply throwing away a pick on a QB in the seventh round, I'll take a guy I'd never heard of (Dane Simoneau) as a project over a guy that I firmly believe has absolutely no shot in the NFL in Moore.

COchief
04-08-2012, 07:22 PM
4.6 is pretty damn slow for a safety out of college, why would we draft Mcgraw in the second round? I'd rather draft a NT in the second. The RB that early seems like a luxury pick also, we are pretty much set at the position for 2012.

whoman69
04-08-2012, 08:26 PM
From his Pro Day:









You can just stop there. Everyone looks good at their pro day. Its set up that way. You have your own receivers you've worked with, nobody covering and no pass rush. Throw to a spot on the field. He couldn't do it at the combine. He's short and thin. He throws the ball from behind his head. His whole career at Boise he was asked to throw the 10 yard slant.

AustinChief
04-08-2012, 09:11 PM
I don't know...you've got Konz, Brewster, Blake and Jones who might go ahead of him.

Konz goes ahead of him. Brewster, Blake and Jones should NOT go ahead of Molk.

Blake could go as a guard/center BUT he will be 27 in November.

Brewster isn't in the same league as Molk. He is slow, dumb and lazy. Any team that takes him above Molk is just plain stupid.

Ben Jones isn't as strong and is the same weight and only 1 inch taller... again, unless he goes as a guard I just can't see a reason to pick him over Molk.

You never know with the draft, but I have not seen ANYTHING that would put any of these guys above Molk as a CENTER. If they get drafted as guards, fair enough... but it's hard to imagine the second CENTER taken to play CENTER falling to the 5th round. Of course, there may be some guards who get drafted to play center like Hudson did.. I just haven't heard of any.

Direckshun
04-08-2012, 09:52 PM
It's a good draft.

The idea that Kellen Moore goes through his progressions better than Andrew Luck is asinine, though.

Reaper16
04-08-2012, 11:53 PM
If you're simply throwing away a pick on a QB in the seventh round, I'll take a guy I'd never heard of (Dane Simoneau) as a project over a guy that I firmly believe has absolutely no shot in the NFL in Moore.


I've seen Dane Simoneau play in person multiple times. No chance at being an NFL QB. At least Moore has big-time intangibles (and I'm also someone who thinks Moore's arm will absolutely not play at the NFL level).

Bowser
04-09-2012, 12:15 AM
If Chad Pennington and his Amazing Wiffle Arm can make a career in the NFL (albeit injury riddled), so can Kellen Moore. I'd actually be happy to see him come in here and compete with Stanzi for the third QB.

Dayze
04-09-2012, 09:26 AM
nice Mock. I'm not sure about the 1st pick,...but, that's primiarly becuase I"m not all that familiar with him.

good job.

Dave Lane
04-09-2012, 09:47 AM
I could get behind this draft, with the excetion of Moore.

I don't care what he did in a contolled setting on a pro day, he doesn't have the size or arm strength to compete on the NFL level.

Find another QB.

I think he's a pretty intriguing guy considering when he'd be taken and well worth the pick I see a Drew Brees type if the guy had two more inches of height he'd probably be a second rounder.

Sorter
04-09-2012, 08:56 PM
Like the mock, would rather have Broyles/Adams in the 3rd and Russell Wilson over Moore. The latter is not as important to me though. Doubt either guy has any sort of success.

DeezNutz
04-09-2012, 09:24 PM
BYU lineman? Check.

aturnis
04-09-2012, 10:03 PM
Like the mock, would rather have Broyles/Adams in the 3rd and Russell Wilson over Moore. The latter is not as important to me though. Doubt either guy has any sort of success.

Russel Wilson is the worst QB prospect I've ever seen. He is terrible.

Sorter
04-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Russel Wilson is the worst QB prospect I've ever seen. He is terrible.

Is literally the same as Chase Daniel. Only, he played behind a huge line, isn't fat, and has a stronger arm.

aturnis
04-09-2012, 10:16 PM
Is literally the same as Chase Daniel. Only, he played behind a huge line, isn't fat, and has a stronger arm.

Ummmm. Russel Wilson sucks? Yeah?

I'd take Moore over Russel even if he was a fucking leper.

Sorter
04-09-2012, 10:20 PM
Not saying Russell doesn't suck. He does. It's a 7th round pick. If we're choosing a QB there, I'd rather have Wilson than the second coming of Tyler Palko.

O.city
04-09-2012, 10:37 PM
Just throw out the qb, take some depth somewhere else.


See what Stanzi's got, and lets fucking role with what we have.