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Fat Elvis
04-12-2012, 11:07 PM
Here is my 2012 mock draft. I know a lot of you will hate it, but oh well.

1.11- David DeCastro G, Stanford--Drafting a Guard at 11 is just painful for me but De Castro is something special. It isn't just that he is going to be, in all likelihood, a GREAT guard, he is also a very cerebral player. When interviewed, he had an understanding of the Stanford offense that rivaled Luck. I think that will be important for the Chiefs O-line in establishing both running and throwing lanes if we are going to maximize the talent that do have; I don't think Mark Castle is long for the Red and Gold. We will be getting a QBOTF either this year or next. Tannenhill will be gone by 11 (thankfully) and I think the sleeper of the draft can be picked up later on.

2.44- Alameda Ta'amu NT, Washington--The Chiefs finally get thier NT which will really shore up the D and make it one of the top (if not the top) defenses in the NFL--in 2013. Gotta give the guy a year or so to really develop into the position.

3.75- Brandon Taylor S, LSU-- Here is a guy who will really create a great combo with Eric Berry. You can really disguise a defense with these two because either can play SS or FS. Taylor needs to work on his ball skills, but he can really lay the wood and is plenty fast for a safety.

4.106- Russell Wilson QB, Wisconsin-- I know just about everyone will hate this pick, but this guy has IT. Yes he is short; give the guy platform cleats if it makes you feel better. The fact of the matter is he is EXTREMELY accurate, has a rocket for an arm and is a very smart QB. His lack of size has never hurt him and if you look at the Badger O-Line, it is pretty obvious that he has no problem seeing the field even though the guys in front of him tower over him. This guy will be the steal of the draft-I guarentee it.

5.137- Vontaze Burfect ILB, Az State-- This guy is a total headcase. It is why his draft prospect has fallen so far. Absolute nutjob. And an idiot. But he hits really, really hard. Really hard. Crennell has dealt with his fair share of idiots and will command his respect. I think Crennell can whip him into shape and make him a coachable prospect. If Burfect can play with some semblance of control, he can be a terror.

6.170- Terrance Ganaway RB, Baylor-- Big guy. Can be a bruiser between the tackles. Will be a liability in passing situations since he really hasn't had to block with RG3's speed. Good depth for a low pick.

7.200- Jacquies Smith DE/OLB, Mizzou-- Good leader; can get to the QB. Could provide some nice depth.

7.220- Josh Oglesby OL, Wisconsin-- Huge guy. 6'7" 338 lbs. Was very consistent on a good Badger O-line.


Rip away folks. If you don't like a pick, at least tell us why you don't like it and who you would pick in place of the person you don't like.

Fat E

SNR
04-13-2012, 12:08 AM
I don't hate Russell Wilson. I'm fine with him. Just not in the 4th round.

I'm a Madison resident. I saw a lot of Badger games this year. Wilson has escapability and a good feel of the pocket, but I don't really think he has "it" like you're saying. It was easy to get frustrated with him a few times this year, especially in losses to Michigan St and Ohio St. Those two losses were inexcusable. They definitely exposed our weak secondary this year, but they also exposed a clutch element to Wilson's game that he didn't really tap into this year.

I honestly believe Wilson will be available for us in the 6th or later if we want to draft him. I wouldn't take him any earlier than that given his age.

Blick
04-13-2012, 01:12 PM
I like it man. Rounds 1-3 are solid. Rounds 4 and 5 are ballsy. Ganaway is alright. I know nothing about the last 2 guys.

All in all, I could get down with that draft.

I think you're going to have to get Wilson before the 6th. For comparison, Tyrod Taylor was taken in the 6th last year. Wilson has similar size and athleticism, and is a MUCH BETTER passer. That's gotta get him off the board a round earlier, especially in this QB class.

tyton75
04-13-2012, 02:39 PM
I, personally, would jimp after that draft!

KCDC
04-13-2012, 08:22 PM
A solid draft.

CaliforniaChief
04-13-2012, 11:00 PM
Pretty solid, IMO.

Chief Roundup
04-13-2012, 11:04 PM
Burfict is very very likely to go undrafted according to Mayock, McShay, and Kiper.

buddha
04-14-2012, 12:10 AM
Burfict is the perfect Raider. He will commit more penalties per minute of play than any other player in the NFL. True, he is a complete psychopath, but he's as likely to take out one of his own teammates.

Saccopoo
04-15-2012, 12:11 AM
No offense intended, but that is the worst draft - ever.

Burfict sucks. He shows up at the combine completely out of shape, slow as molasses in the winter and with a bad attitude. The 'niks are correct. No one is going to draft him and he'll be lucky to play in Canada. He was horrible last season for ASU.

DeCastro is a guard. We've already taken two first team All-American guards the last two years. Are you people ****ing stupid or something?

Wilson? Seriously? The guy measured 5'10 and something at the combine. And people bitch about Kellen Moore, who was a legit 6'0".

Ta'amu didn't do shit against half the guys he played against. Got washed out at the senior bowl. Looked bad at the combine. He's not that good. Seriously.

Oglesby doesn't fit the zone system. And he got worked over by most speed rushers. Waste of even a seventh rounder.

Horrible draft.

Sorry. Didn't mean to be overly critical, but that is one total shit sandwich of a draft.

Fat Elvis
04-15-2012, 08:25 AM
No offense intended, but that is the worst draft - ever.

Burfict sucks. He shows up at the combine completely out of shape, slow as molasses in the winter and with a bad attitude. The 'niks are correct. No one is going to draft him and he'll be lucky to play in Canada. He was horrible last season for ASU.

DeCastro is a guard. We've already taken two first team All-American guards the last two years. Are you people ****ing stupid or something?

Wilson? Seriously? The guy measured 5'10 and something at the combine. And people bitch about Kellen Moore, who was a legit 6'0".

Ta'amu didn't do shit against half the guys he played against. Got washed out at the senior bowl. Looked bad at the combine. He's not that good. Seriously.

Oglesby doesn't fit the zone system. And he got worked over by most speed rushers. Waste of even a seventh rounder.

Horrible draft.

Sorry. Didn't mean to be overly critical, but that is one total shit sandwich of a draft.

Considering the source, this must be one of the best mocks ever....

milkman
04-15-2012, 08:37 AM
Considering the source, this must be one of the best mocks ever....

Sourse notwithstanding, it is a terrible mock.

melbar
04-15-2012, 10:53 AM
Excellent mock. Only question I may have is with burfict for character issues, but great value here.

Wilson8
04-15-2012, 01:21 PM
I like this draft. You’ve covered offensive line, nose tackle, safety, quarterback, backup running back, and linebacker with drafting a good player in an appropriate spot.

On the Chiefs interior offensive line, the big question, can Rodney Hudson play center? If the Chiefs aren’t confident, then the Chiefs need to go with a center in the draft. If center is the need, I’d like to see the Chiefs trade down and draft Wisconsin’s Peter Konz in the 1st round.

QB Russell Wilson in the 4th round would be a good value.

Josh Oglesby makes the most of his physical size at tackle but Josh would make Ryan O’Callaghan look like a sprinter. Maybe as a project pick 7th rounder, a better athlete would work.

If the Chiefs did get a draft like this one though, I’d be pleased.

Dmello12
04-15-2012, 02:07 PM
really like this, hoping we get Ta'amu in the second. i dont understand how he's not getting first round discussions. Wouldn't mind burfict but more like the 6th or 7th. Not to sure what i think about wilson yet.

SNR
04-15-2012, 03:31 PM
I'm going to bet that Burfict goes undrafted

tredadda
04-15-2012, 07:51 PM
Burfict is going to be a boom or bust player. If he is properly coached and gets his head on straight he will be the steal of the draft. If not, he will be a wasted talent. I think he will get drafted I just don't know how far he will fall before a team takes a flyer out on his talent.

O.city
04-15-2012, 08:09 PM
I'd take him 6 or 7 and just put him on special teams.

buddha
04-15-2012, 09:44 PM
I'd take him 6 or 7 and just put him on special teams.

This. I am thinking the same thing. I would bet that little psycho would be nasty on coverage teams.

Saccopoo
04-16-2012, 12:04 AM
This. I am thinking the same thing. I would bet that little psycho would be nasty on coverage teams.

He's too slow to be on kick coverages.

Frosty
04-16-2012, 10:02 AM
I would find it funny as hell if Burfict goes undrafted and doesn't make a team. The guy is a piece of shit.

Simplicity
04-16-2012, 01:37 PM
No offense intended, but that is the worst draft - ever.

Burfict sucks. He shows up at the combine completely out of shape, slow as molasses in the winter and with a bad attitude. The 'niks are correct. No one is going to draft him and he'll be lucky to play in Canada. He was horrible last season for ASU.

DeCastro is a guard. We've already taken two first team All-American guards the last two years. Are you people ****ing stupid or something?

Wilson? Seriously? The guy measured 5'10 and something at the combine. And people bitch about Kellen Moore, who was a legit 6'0".

Ta'amu didn't do shit against half the guys he played against. Got washed out at the senior bowl. Looked bad at the combine. He's not that good. Seriously.

Oglesby doesn't fit the zone system. And he got worked over by most speed rushers. Waste of even a seventh rounder.

Horrible draft.

Sorry. Didn't mean to be overly critical, but that is one total shit sandwich of a draft.

You sir should be sexually harassed by a starving aids monkey...

Saccopoo
04-16-2012, 01:37 PM
You sir should be sexually harassed by a starving aids monkey...

Eat poop noob.

Simplicity
04-16-2012, 01:43 PM
Eat poop noob.

Nice choice of vocabulary... Home schooled, right?

Saccopoo
04-16-2012, 02:00 PM
Nice choice of vocabulary... Home schooled, right?

Masticate feces you ultracrepidarian.

Better?

Simplicity
04-16-2012, 07:43 PM
Masticate feces you ultracrepidarian.

Better?

Better.

Fat Elvis
04-19-2012, 11:01 PM
While I still like the first mock I posted, another mock that I could live with--especially considering the QBs in our division and our lack of safety play with Berry out--would be one that drafted two safeties. I'm sure a lot of folks would say, "Wut?", but Sabby Piscawhatshisname made a beleiver out of me concerning our need for more (and better) safeties. I also think that the role and importance of the safety is being redefined as the NFL transitions into a pass first league. I think three safety sets will become the norm-especially in the AFCW. Good safeties are versitile; they can provide good run support, good coverage and good pass rushing/blitzing. With that in mind, here is the Fat E Mock draft 2.0 Safety Love.

1.11 Mark Barron, S- Alabama- Big Bruiser. Best safety in the draft. Teamed with Eric Berry it would be kind of like having Ed Reed and Troy Palamalu on the same team.

2.44 Josh Chapman, NT- Alabama- I think Ta'amu may have a higher ceiling, but Chapman is a known commodity. An absolute fireplug in the middle. Doesn't move that much, but doesn't get moved either; that is what the NT in this scheme is used for-eating blockers. The Chiefs have already talked to him and no one can deny his heart and determination. A Pioli type of pick.

3.75 Brandon Taylor, S-LSU-Here is a guy who will really create a great combo with Eric Berry and Mark Barron. You can really disguise a defense with these guys because he can play SS or FS. Taylor needs to work on his ball skills, but he can really lay the wood and is plenty fast for a safety.

4.106 Dale Moss, WR-South Dakota State- Small school athelete with eyepopping pro day numbers. Huge upside coming from a basketball background so he should have good hands. Extreme manuverability, worth the risk to see if it translates to the pros. Just imagine Bowe (6'2: 221), Moss (6'3.5" 213), Baldwin (6'4" 228) and Moeaki (6'3" 252)--good luck covering those guys.

5.146 Russell Wilson, QB- Wisconsin- I know just about everyone will hate this pick, but this guy has IT. Yes he is short; give the guy platform cleats if it makes you feel better. The fact of the matter is he is EXTREMELY accurate, has a rocket for an arm and is a very smart QB. His lack of size has never hurt him and if you look at the Badger O-Line, it is pretty obvious that he has no problem seeing the field even though the guys in front of him tower over him. This guy will be the steal of the draft-I guarentee it. I can only hope the guy is still there in the 5th round; he'd make Dick Stanzi seek employment at the local Footlocker.

6.170 Ronald Leary, OL- Memphis- Played all over the line, could be good depth anywhere, or he could take Lilja's spot this year or next.

7.200- Jacquies Smith DE/OLB, Mizzou-- Good leader; can get to the QB. Could provide some nice depth.

7.220- Josh Oglesby OL, Wisconsin-- Huge guy. 6'7" 338 lbs. Was very consistent on a good Badger O-line.



There you have it. Rip away. I like both of the drafts I posted. Doesn't really matter, until cards are submitted next week, we are all just pissing in the wind.

Mecca
04-19-2012, 11:02 PM
That first one is very safe...other than Burfict who I think is worth a flyer.

bevischief
04-20-2012, 12:39 PM
Like your 2nd a lot better except for the 7th rounder he doesn't fit the zone blocking scheme.

Dmello12
04-20-2012, 12:44 PM
I would rather pick up Barron and have a top notch secondary than a LB or 5 tech. passing on us with Barron Berry and lewis plus our corners would be very difficult. This pick is just a sexy one to me. Even though i do think we will be picking a guard at 11 which is far from sexy but it might just be the safest pick

saphojunkie
04-20-2012, 12:45 PM
I love the first draft, and it is 100% possible. I mean, I wouldn't change a thing. Mayyyyybe I'd consider Cousins over Wilson, but I'm with you that the kid is going to defy the odds.

Love the Ganaway pick, too.

What pisses me off is that this draft requires no help from other teams. Each player should be available when we pick, so why not do it? Out of this draft we get:

1. Rock-solid offensive line for years to come.
2. A massive nose tackle to free up DJ.
3. Competition at the ILB spot for Belcher
4. Safety depth (huge need)
5. OL depth
6. Developmental QB with a rocket arm and razor mind.
7. Young RB to keep the wear and tear off Charles.

Perfect.

Chiefnj2
04-20-2012, 12:53 PM
I like 1, 2, 3 and 6.

DJ's left nut
04-20-2012, 02:40 PM
Hate that draft.

Taking Barron at all in the first is a waste and then to double up on safeties just further diminishes his value.

The 'arcade football' crowd has lost its damn mind. You don't need 3 high-value safeties to have a great defense; we'd have drafted 3 guys including 2 first rounders and have a 4th guy that's starting caliber. The NFL isn't going to be about loading as many hybrid athletes into the defensive backfield as possible. The league simply isn't going to let these safeties cover like you think they will. The PI flags are still going to be thrown on deep balls. The roughing flags are still coming out on hard hits. Coverage from the safety position has been largely neutered by the rules and is overrated as hell. The idea that we're going to deal with the pinball offenses in the league by just overloading safeties is ridiculous.

If you're going to go heavy at a spot on the defense, target the D-line. Take a guy like Mercilus or Brockers. The D-Line, namely getting interior push to prevent the short routes underneath, is going to be where games are won and lost for the foreseeable future, IMO. Chapman's a start, but if you're doubling down and burning 3 picks on defense you'd be better served to go Brockers, Still, Chapman. Or Brockers, Harrison Smith, Chapman. Or Mercilus, Ta'amu, Taylor, etc...

The trenches are where to focus on right now, IMO - not the safeties.

And we're reaching pretty badly on Chapman there, IMO.

Dmello12
04-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Brockers is being interviewed on ESPN right now, also showed his sports science episode

milkman
04-21-2012, 04:02 PM
I also think that the role and importance of the safety is being redefined as the NFL transitions into a pass first league.

That's a trend setting thought right there.

Why I bet if I and a couple of others around here hadn't already been saying that for 3 years or more already, that it'd be a brand new idea.

milkman
04-21-2012, 04:06 PM
Hate that draft.

Taking Barron at all in the first is a waste and then to double up on safeties just further diminishes his value.

The 'arcade football' crowd has lost its damn mind. You don't need 3 high-value safeties to have a great defense; we'd have drafted 3 guys including 2 first rounders and have a 4th guy that's starting caliber. The NFL isn't going to be about loading as many hybrid athletes into the defensive backfield as possible. The league simply isn't going to let these safeties cover like you think they will. The PI flags are still going to be thrown on deep balls. The roughing flags are still coming out on hard hits. Coverage from the safety position has been largely neutered by the rules and is overrated as hell. The idea that we're going to deal with the pinball offenses in the league by just overloading safeties is ridiculous.

If you're going to go heavy at a spot on the defense, target the D-line. Take a guy like Mercilus or Brockers. The D-Line, namely getting interior push to prevent the short routes underneath, is going to be where games are won and lost for the foreseeable future, IMO. Chapman's a start, but if you're doubling down and burning 3 picks on defense you'd be better served to go Brockers, Still, Chapman. Or Brockers, Harrison Smith, Chapman. Or Mercilus, Ta'amu, Taylor, etc...

The trenches are where to focus on right now, IMO - not the safeties.

And we're reaching pretty badly on Chapman there, IMO.

Disagree strongly with you on the value of safety, as I disagree strongly with you on the value of guard.

I have a ton of respect for your opinions and take on things, but we just won't ever be on the same page on these positions.

I do appreciate and value your perspective, though.

Urc Burry
04-21-2012, 04:15 PM
Disagree strongly with you on the value of safety, as I disagree strongly with you on the value of guard.

I have a ton of respect for your opinions and take on things, but we just won't ever be on the same page on these positions.

I do appreciate and value your perspective, though.

Just curious, do you think pretty low of Kendrick Lewis or are you just really high on Barron? I thought Lewis has shown flashes and can become a solid starter for our team. He is just now going into his third year in which most players break out

milkman
04-21-2012, 04:21 PM
Just curious, do you think pretty low of Kendrick Lewis or are you just really high on Barron? I thought Lewis has shown flashes and can become a solid starter for our team. He is just now going into his third year in which most players break out

I think Lewis is a solid center fielder type, but that's all he is and all he'll ever be.

BossChief
04-21-2012, 05:16 PM
Hate that draft.

Taking Barron at all in the first is a waste and then to double up on safeties just further diminishes his value.

The 'arcade football' crowd has lost its damn mind. You don't need 3 high-value safeties to have a great defense; we'd have drafted 3 guys including 2 first rounders and have a 4th guy that's starting caliber. The NFL isn't going to be about loading as many hybrid athletes into the defensive backfield as possible. The league simply isn't going to let these safeties cover like you think they will. The PI flags are still going to be thrown on deep balls. The roughing flags are still coming out on hard hits. Coverage from the safety position has been largely neutered by the rules and is overrated as hell. The idea that we're going to deal with the pinball offenses in the league by just overloading safeties is ridiculous.

If you're going to go heavy at a spot on the defense, target the D-line. Take a guy like Mercilus or Brockers. The D-Line, namely getting interior push to prevent the short routes underneath, is going to be where games are won and lost for the foreseeable future, IMO. Chapman's a start, but if you're doubling down and burning 3 picks on defense you'd be better served to go Brockers, Still, Chapman. Or Brockers, Harrison Smith, Chapman. Or Mercilus, Ta'amu, Taylor, etc...

The trenches are where to focus on right now, IMO - not the safeties.

And we're reaching pretty badly on Chapman there, IMO.

we have two safeties on the roster currently and both ate coming off injury and we run as many 3 safety packages than any team in the league.

I'm totally cool with drafting a kid that has Seymour type skills but Brockers isn't that guy.

He has 2 sacks in 2 years as a starter.

0 forced fumbles.

Seymour averages over 5 a year.

Talk about overloading one spot...

Dorsey
Jackson
Bailey
Gordon

That's a solid set of ends.

I'd rather take Decastro and I'm certainly not a fan of his...but at least I can see a clear upgrade.