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04-17-2012, 09:25 AM
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11 CHIEFS

WILL PICK

Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

SHOULD PICK

Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

The alltime leading tackler in both school and Atlantic Coast Conference history is the perfect player for Kansas City G.M. Scott Pioli: whistle-clean character, great instincts. Kuechly isn't overwhelmingly physical, though. I'd like Dontari Poe here if I were sure he could consistently deliver on the athletic promise he showed at the combine.

The rest of the mock is in the spoiler


The top two selections are all but locked in, but there's plenty of intrigue attached to the decisions of the next 30 teams on the clock in the first round. As the league's offensive explosion continues, protecting the passer—and finding him targets to throw to—will be among the top priorities when it comes time to make the call

1 COLTS

WILL PICK

Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Tough duty ahead for Luck, who'll be fortunate in 2012 to win as many games as the Colts' last No. 1 overall, Peyton Manning, did as a rookie in 1998 (three). Indy has been stripped bare of stars (except for graybeards Reggie Wayne, 33, and Dwight Freeney, 32) and needs to be sure it doesn't overhype Luck's arrival. It'll be a long road back to the playoffs.

2 REDSKINS

WILL PICK

Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

SHOULD PICK

Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

This way to the backseat, Stephen Strasburg and Alex Ovechkin and John Wall, there's a new sports phenom in Washington. If the electrifying Griffin is even 85% the QB that Cam Newton was as a rookie last year—and he could well be—the Skins will be reborn, and the only person in the nation's capital getting more press will be Barack Obama.

3 VIKINGS

WILL PICK

Matt Kalil, T, USC

SHOULD PICK

Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

I don't get it. I know the Vikes want to protect Christian Ponder from eternal damnation (and a boatload of sacks), but they have six games a year against Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler and Matthew Stafford, who'll throw a combined 100 TD passes each season. Minnesota's secondary is horrible—even worse than its offensive line. The Vikings don't need a corner. They need two.

4 BROWNS

WILL PICK

Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

That's right—I wouldn't take quarterback Ryan Tannehill here. I'd take the guy who gives Cleveland's offense a chance to shape up for Colt McCoy or whoever the QB of the future is. (See pick 27.) Blackmon and Greg Little would give the Browns their first set of topflight wide receivers since the franchise returned to the league in 1999.

5 BUCCANEERS

WILL PICK

Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

SHOULD PICK

Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

Ronde Barber is 37, and free agent corner Eric Wright is plenty leaky, so this is Tampa Bay's position of greatest long-term need. The Tigers trusted Claiborne on an island; as a pro he'll have to hold his own against NFC South gunslingers Drew Brees, Cam Newton and Matt Ryan if the Bucs are going to have a chance to be competitive.

6 RAMS

WILL PICK

Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

SHOULD PICK

Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

Consider it a gift for quarterback Sam Bradford. The Rams love Trent Richardson (join the club), and the 6'1", 207-pound Blackmon doesn't have the size they prefer: Calvin Johnson has him by four inches and 29 pounds. But St. Louis is woefully deficient at receiver, and Blackmon's ability to get open on quick slants and deep routes is beyond instinctive.

7 JAGUARS

WILL PICK

Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

SHOULD PICK

David DeCastro, G, Stanford

Like Tampa, Jacksonville has a major hole at cornerback, and I hear the Jags like Gilmore a ton, which would have to be the case for them to reach for him here. Still, I'd solve a position of need for the next 10 years with the second-best offensive lineman in the draft—and a guy with the mean streak Jacksonville's O-line needs—then take the corner in round 2.

8 DOLPHINS

WILL PICK

Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

SHOULD PICK

Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

If you're going to trust the coach you hired (Joe Philbin) to energize the offense and the coordinator you hired (Mike Sherman, who coached Tannehill in college) to tutor the quarterback, you've got to pick the triggerman they want. But you can't panic by moving up to take Tannehill, because that would most likely cost at least a second-rounder. Not worth it.

9 PANTHERS

WILL PICK

Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State

SHOULD PICK

Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State

Carolina G.M. Marty Hurney doesn't like risky choices this high in the draft, and coach Ron Rivera is desperate for a penetrating defensive tackle. Cox had 19½ combined sacks and tackles for loss last season in the SEC, and I'm betting the Panthers view him as a safer selection, in terms of productivity and reliability, than combine phenom Dontari Poe.

10 BILLS

WILL PICK

Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame

SHOULD PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

Buffalo will break the Cardinals' hearts by stealing Floyd to pair with Stevie Johnson and give quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick a true second weapon and bona fide deep threat. But I'd rather have the kind of enforcer in the secondary that so many teams covet. The 6'1", 213-pound Barron is a player whom multiple teams will try to trade up to get.

11 CHIEFS

WILL PICK

Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

SHOULD PICK

Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

The alltime leading tackler in both school and Atlantic Coast Conference history is the perfect player for Kansas City G.M. Scott Pioli: whistle-clean character, great instincts. Kuechly isn't overwhelmingly physical, though. I'd like Dontari Poe here if I were sure he could consistently deliver on the athletic promise he showed at the combine.

12 SEAHAWKS

WILL PICK

Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

SHOULD PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

One note: Seattle will take Ryan Tannehill if he's there at 12. Write it down. If he's not, Ingram is the kind of versatile rush guy Pete Carroll could use both outside and inside; he had 25 tackles behind the line in 2011. Barron? Even with the Seahawks' terrific secondary, his addition would mean Carroll could play three thumping safeties on every down but first.

13 CARDINALS

WILL PICK

David DeCastro, G, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

David DeCastro, G, Stanford

When offensive-line coach Russ Grimm sees DeCastro, he sees a young Russ Grimm: nasty, efficient, mistake-free. And though I'm sure that the Cardinals would love to see Michael Floyd fall to them here, the best guard to come out in several years is a good consolation prize, especially for a team that's had nothing but trouble on the O-line.

14 COWBOYS

WILL PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

I wouldn't be surprised to see Dallas trade up to make sure it gets Barron, perhaps with Kansas City at 11. The Cowboys have no identity in the secondary. No big-time players either. Barron would immediately boost a unit that's been beaten down—and provide the kind of tackler at safety that the Boys haven't had since Darren Woodson.

15 EAGLES

WILL PICK

Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

SHOULD PICK

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

One coach used these words to me about Coples: "Gifted. Sporadic." We're getting to the part of the draft—mid first round—where beauty's in the eye of the beholder, and teams reach for pass rushers who often don't pan out. Philly D-line coach Jim Washburn is as demanding as they come, and Coples will have a chance to make the Eagles more formidable up front.

16 JETS

WILL PICK

Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis

SHOULD PICK

Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis

Rex Ryan's gleeful. Deep down he knows Poe has a chance to be another Haloti Ngata, a freakishly talented interior force against the run and pass. But Poe isn't known for being freakishly productive—five sacks in three years at Memphis—and Ryan and coordinator Mike Pettine will have their work cut out to make him a top NFL starter.

17 BENGALS

WILL PICK

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

Good move by the Bengals—instead of holding their defensive line together with spare parts, they're giving defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer a true three-down end who not only rushed the passer in college but also dropped into coverage effectively. If he's still on the board when Cincinnati picks, the choice won't be hard.

18 CHARGERS

WILL PICK

Riley Reiff, T, Iowa

SHOULD PICK

Riley Reiff, T, Iowa

Marcus McNeill is gone, and no one in San Diego should believe that Jared Gaither is the long-term answer at left tackle. Reiff is a scrapper and a fighter in the tradition of Hawkeyes linemen, but he may not last this long given the tackle-needy teams drafting ahead of the Chargers, most notably the Bills, Seahawks, Cardinals and Jets.

19 BEARS

WILL PICK

Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor

SHOULD PICK

Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford

I'd be stunned if Chicago doesn't fortify its perpetually patchwork offensive line, but I've been stunned before. Coach Lovie Smith had dinner with Wright at Baylor's pro day in March, and I hear he was impressed—enough so to select Wright to go with Brandon Marshall, creating a suddenly formidable wideout corps for quarterback Jay Cutler.

20 TITANS

WILL PICK

Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois

SHOULD PICK

Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State

This is a good season: 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles. That was Mercilus's breakout 2011 campaign at Illinois, and that's why he'll be a first-round pick this year. But he's not as versatile as McClellin, whose stock is rising because he has the speed (a 4.6 40 at 260 pounds) to be an edge rusher and is a sure-enough tackler to play inside if needed.

21 BENGALS

WILL PICK

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Cincinnati has but one good cover corner, Leon Hall, so Kirkpatrick makes sense here. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bengals follow the advice of trusted front-office aide John Cooper, the former Ohio State coach, and grab a Big Ten offensive lineman here, but the better pick in my view would be another reinforcement for the defensive line.

22 BROWNS

WILL PICK

Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford

Love this pick. Right tackle is a trouble spot for Cleveland—waiver pickup Oniel Cousins is the nominal No. 1 on the depth chart right now—and Martin, who helped protect Andrew Luck, should be able to win the job in camp. If not, the Browns can take their time and groom him to be Joe Thomas's bookend. Not a sexy choice, but a smart one.

23 RAVENS FROM LIONS

WILL PICK

Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama

For years Baltimore has wanted a top-shelf playmaking linebacker to be trained by Ray Lewis. Here he is. I see the Ravens swapping first-round spots with Detroit (who'll receive a third-rounder too) to sneak in front of the Steelers, because Hightower is a Dick LeBeau special—heavy and fast. Another positive: He was a two-year captain for Nick Saban.

24 STEELERS

WILL PICK

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

SHOULD PICK

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

Pittsburgh's got to stop treating its offensive-line problems with stopgaps and take a tough guy like Zeitler, whom I've heard compared to Logan Mankins. A 6'4", 315-pound masher, Zeitler will step in on opening day next to Maurkice Pouncey and give the Steelers the stability in front of Ben Roethlisberger that they've lacked for the last several years.

25 BRONCOS

WILL PICK

Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

SHOULD PICK

Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Denver will be stunned that Brockers is still on the board. And delighted. The Broncos lost free-agent defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley to the Saints a month ago, and this raw but promising 6'5" 322-pounder could play nose or a more versatile tackle role. "On potential," one coach told me, "Brockers deserves to be a top 10 pick."

26 TEXANS

WILL PICK

Rueben Randle, WR, LSU

SHOULD PICK

Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech

Kendall Wright makes sense if he lasts this long, but Randle is a good fallback. Houston thinks that at 6'4" and 210 pounds he'll be another matchup problem along the lines of Andre Johnson. What team has the corners to cover two wideouts 6'3" or taller? Then again, if that's the logic, I'd take Hill, who's bigger (6'5") and a speed threat.

27 BROWNS FROM PATS

WILL PICK

Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State

SHOULD PICK

Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State

Cleveland sends a third-rounder to New England to move up 10 spots, from 37 to 27, and prevent the other Weeden fans—Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Niners—from grabbing him. I know he'll be 29 in October, but if you think a player can be a good starting quarterback in the league for eight years, and several teams do, he's worth a lot more than the 27th pick.

28 PACKERS

WILL PICK

Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State

SHOULD PICK

Doug Martin, RB, Boise State

Worthy would be the long-term replacement for Cullen Jenkins, though I could see G.M. Ted Thompson going for a big-potential outside threat like Nick Perry or Shea McClellin as a bookend pass rusher for Clay Matthews. Martin is the kind of versatile cold-weather back who would fit the Pack perfectly. "He's this draft's Ray Rice," one personnel man told me.

29 LIONS FROM BROWNS

WILL PICK

Amini Silatolu, G/T, Midwestern State

SHOULD PICK

Mike Adams, T, Ohio State

Upset special of the first round. The Lions loved Silatolu when he visited them, and they probably can't wait until their second-round pick (54th) to get him. Powerfully based and more explosive than he looks at 6'4" and 312 pounds, he could succeed Jeff Backus at left tackle, where Silatolu dominated Division II opponents for two years.

30 49ERS

WILL PICK

Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech

Jim Harbaugh likes smart, physical, versatile skill players, and because he had Fleener for four years at Stanford (including Fleener's redshirt season of 2007), no coach knows a player in this draft better. Fleener isn't as athletic as Vernon Davis, but he did gain 17.8 yards per reception in his last two seasons for the Cardinal.

31 PATRIOTS

WILL PICK

Nick Perry, DE, USC

SHOULD PICK

Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State

All those who know what the Patriots are going to do with this pick, raise your hands. O.K., anybody besides Mike Mayock? After losing Mark Anderson in free agency and without knowing whether soon-to-be 33-year-old Andre Carter will be back—those two combined for 20 of the Pats' 40 sacks in 2011—New England needs an edge rusher. Perry's my best guess.

32 GIANTS

WILL PICK

Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame

SHOULD PICK

Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State

A mature four-year starter for the Irish, Smith has the speed to play free safety and the tackling ability to play strong. The Giants could go in a lot of directions here, with McClellin and Mike Adams both possible because of positional need. But a 47-game college starter and eager special-teamer will be too much for G.M. Jerry Reese to pass up.

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 09:33 AM
Fuck that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.

DA_T_84
04-17-2012, 09:49 AM
He says the Cowboys may try to trade up to #11 from 14 to get Barron.

We could still get our man, and an extra pick.

What would it cost the Cowboys to move up to #11?

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 09:50 AM
I have no idea why they would trade up for Barron. There isn't a team in front of them that would take Barron that high.

rico
04-17-2012, 09:50 AM
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The top two selections are all but locked in, but there's plenty of intrigue attached to the decisions of the next 30 teams on the clock in the first round. As the league's offensive explosion continues, protecting the passer—and finding him targets to throw to—will be among the top priorities when it comes time to make the call

1 COLTS

WILL PICK

Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Tough duty ahead for Luck, who'll be fortunate in 2012 to win as many games as the Colts' last No. 1 overall, Peyton Manning, did as a rookie in 1998 (three). Indy has been stripped bare of stars (except for graybeards Reggie Wayne, 33, and Dwight Freeney, 32) and needs to be sure it doesn't overhype Luck's arrival. It'll be a long road back to the playoffs.

2 REDSKINS

WILL PICK

Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

SHOULD PICK

Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

This way to the backseat, Stephen Strasburg and Alex Ovechkin and John Wall, there's a new sports phenom in Washington. If the electrifying Griffin is even 85% the QB that Cam Newton was as a rookie last year—and he could well be—the Skins will be reborn, and the only person in the nation's capital getting more press will be Barack Obama.

3 VIKINGS

WILL PICK

Matt Kalil, T, USC

SHOULD PICK

Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

I don't get it. I know the Vikes want to protect Christian Ponder from eternal damnation (and a boatload of sacks), but they have six games a year against Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler and Matthew Stafford, who'll throw a combined 100 TD passes each season. Minnesota's secondary is horrible—even worse than its offensive line. The Vikings don't need a corner. They need two.

4 BROWNS

WILL PICK

Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

That's right—I wouldn't take quarterback Ryan Tannehill here. I'd take the guy who gives Cleveland's offense a chance to shape up for Colt McCoy or whoever the QB of the future is. (See pick 27.) Blackmon and Greg Little would give the Browns their first set of topflight wide receivers since the franchise returned to the league in 1999.

5 BUCCANEERS

WILL PICK

Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

SHOULD PICK

Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

Ronde Barber is 37, and free agent corner Eric Wright is plenty leaky, so this is Tampa Bay's position of greatest long-term need. The Tigers trusted Claiborne on an island; as a pro he'll have to hold his own against NFC South gunslingers Drew Brees, Cam Newton and Matt Ryan if the Bucs are going to have a chance to be competitive.

6 RAMS

WILL PICK

Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

SHOULD PICK

Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

Consider it a gift for quarterback Sam Bradford. The Rams love Trent Richardson (join the club), and the 6'1", 207-pound Blackmon doesn't have the size they prefer: Calvin Johnson has him by four inches and 29 pounds. But St. Louis is woefully deficient at receiver, and Blackmon's ability to get open on quick slants and deep routes is beyond instinctive.

7 JAGUARS

WILL PICK

Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

SHOULD PICK

David DeCastro, G, Stanford

Like Tampa, Jacksonville has a major hole at cornerback, and I hear the Jags like Gilmore a ton, which would have to be the case for them to reach for him here. Still, I'd solve a position of need for the next 10 years with the second-best offensive lineman in the draft—and a guy with the mean streak Jacksonville's O-line needs—then take the corner in round 2.

8 DOLPHINS

WILL PICK

Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

SHOULD PICK

Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

If you're going to trust the coach you hired (Joe Philbin) to energize the offense and the coordinator you hired (Mike Sherman, who coached Tannehill in college) to tutor the quarterback, you've got to pick the triggerman they want. But you can't panic by moving up to take Tannehill, because that would most likely cost at least a second-rounder. Not worth it.

9 PANTHERS

WILL PICK

Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State

SHOULD PICK

Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State

Carolina G.M. Marty Hurney doesn't like risky choices this high in the draft, and coach Ron Rivera is desperate for a penetrating defensive tackle. Cox had 19½ combined sacks and tackles for loss last season in the SEC, and I'm betting the Panthers view him as a safer selection, in terms of productivity and reliability, than combine phenom Dontari Poe.

10 BILLS

WILL PICK

Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame

SHOULD PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

Buffalo will break the Cardinals' hearts by stealing Floyd to pair with Stevie Johnson and give quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick a true second weapon and bona fide deep threat. But I'd rather have the kind of enforcer in the secondary that so many teams covet. The 6'1", 213-pound Barron is a player whom multiple teams will try to trade up to get.

11 CHIEFS

WILL PICK

Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

SHOULD PICK

Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

The alltime leading tackler in both school and Atlantic Coast Conference history is the perfect player for Kansas City G.M. Scott Pioli: whistle-clean character, great instincts. Kuechly isn't overwhelmingly physical, though. I'd like Dontari Poe here if I were sure he could consistently deliver on the athletic promise he showed at the combine.

12 SEAHAWKS

WILL PICK

Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

SHOULD PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

One note: Seattle will take Ryan Tannehill if he's there at 12. Write it down. If he's not, Ingram is the kind of versatile rush guy Pete Carroll could use both outside and inside; he had 25 tackles behind the line in 2011. Barron? Even with the Seahawks' terrific secondary, his addition would mean Carroll could play three thumping safeties on every down but first.

13 CARDINALS

WILL PICK

David DeCastro, G, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

David DeCastro, G, Stanford

When offensive-line coach Russ Grimm sees DeCastro, he sees a young Russ Grimm: nasty, efficient, mistake-free. And though I'm sure that the Cardinals would love to see Michael Floyd fall to them here, the best guard to come out in several years is a good consolation prize, especially for a team that's had nothing but trouble on the O-line.

14 COWBOYS

WILL PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

I wouldn't be surprised to see Dallas trade up to make sure it gets Barron, perhaps with Kansas City at 11. The Cowboys have no identity in the secondary. No big-time players either. Barron would immediately boost a unit that's been beaten down—and provide the kind of tackler at safety that the Boys haven't had since Darren Woodson.

15 EAGLES

WILL PICK

Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

SHOULD PICK

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

One coach used these words to me about Coples: "Gifted. Sporadic." We're getting to the part of the draft—mid first round—where beauty's in the eye of the beholder, and teams reach for pass rushers who often don't pan out. Philly D-line coach Jim Washburn is as demanding as they come, and Coples will have a chance to make the Eagles more formidable up front.

16 JETS

WILL PICK

Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis

SHOULD PICK

Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis

Rex Ryan's gleeful. Deep down he knows Poe has a chance to be another Haloti Ngata, a freakishly talented interior force against the run and pass. But Poe isn't known for being freakishly productive—five sacks in three years at Memphis—and Ryan and coordinator Mike Pettine will have their work cut out to make him a top NFL starter.

17 BENGALS

WILL PICK

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

Good move by the Bengals—instead of holding their defensive line together with spare parts, they're giving defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer a true three-down end who not only rushed the passer in college but also dropped into coverage effectively. If he's still on the board when Cincinnati picks, the choice won't be hard.

18 CHARGERS

WILL PICK

Riley Reiff, T, Iowa

SHOULD PICK

Riley Reiff, T, Iowa

Marcus McNeill is gone, and no one in San Diego should believe that Jared Gaither is the long-term answer at left tackle. Reiff is a scrapper and a fighter in the tradition of Hawkeyes linemen, but he may not last this long given the tackle-needy teams drafting ahead of the Chargers, most notably the Bills, Seahawks, Cardinals and Jets.

19 BEARS

WILL PICK

Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor

SHOULD PICK

Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford

I'd be stunned if Chicago doesn't fortify its perpetually patchwork offensive line, but I've been stunned before. Coach Lovie Smith had dinner with Wright at Baylor's pro day in March, and I hear he was impressed—enough so to select Wright to go with Brandon Marshall, creating a suddenly formidable wideout corps for quarterback Jay Cutler.

20 TITANS

WILL PICK

Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois

SHOULD PICK

Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State

This is a good season: 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles. That was Mercilus's breakout 2011 campaign at Illinois, and that's why he'll be a first-round pick this year. But he's not as versatile as McClellin, whose stock is rising because he has the speed (a 4.6 40 at 260 pounds) to be an edge rusher and is a sure-enough tackler to play inside if needed.

21 BENGALS

WILL PICK

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Cincinnati has but one good cover corner, Leon Hall, so Kirkpatrick makes sense here. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bengals follow the advice of trusted front-office aide John Cooper, the former Ohio State coach, and grab a Big Ten offensive lineman here, but the better pick in my view would be another reinforcement for the defensive line.

22 BROWNS

WILL PICK

Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford

Love this pick. Right tackle is a trouble spot for Cleveland—waiver pickup Oniel Cousins is the nominal No. 1 on the depth chart right now—and Martin, who helped protect Andrew Luck, should be able to win the job in camp. If not, the Browns can take their time and groom him to be Joe Thomas's bookend. Not a sexy choice, but a smart one.

23 RAVENS FROM LIONS

WILL PICK

Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama

SHOULD PICK

Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama

For years Baltimore has wanted a top-shelf playmaking linebacker to be trained by Ray Lewis. Here he is. I see the Ravens swapping first-round spots with Detroit (who'll receive a third-rounder too) to sneak in front of the Steelers, because Hightower is a Dick LeBeau special—heavy and fast. Another positive: He was a two-year captain for Nick Saban.

24 STEELERS

WILL PICK

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

SHOULD PICK

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

Pittsburgh's got to stop treating its offensive-line problems with stopgaps and take a tough guy like Zeitler, whom I've heard compared to Logan Mankins. A 6'4", 315-pound masher, Zeitler will step in on opening day next to Maurkice Pouncey and give the Steelers the stability in front of Ben Roethlisberger that they've lacked for the last several years.

25 BRONCOS

WILL PICK

Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

SHOULD PICK

Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Denver will be stunned that Brockers is still on the board. And delighted. The Broncos lost free-agent defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley to the Saints a month ago, and this raw but promising 6'5" 322-pounder could play nose or a more versatile tackle role. "On potential," one coach told me, "Brockers deserves to be a top 10 pick."

26 TEXANS

WILL PICK

Rueben Randle, WR, LSU

SHOULD PICK

Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech

Kendall Wright makes sense if he lasts this long, but Randle is a good fallback. Houston thinks that at 6'4" and 210 pounds he'll be another matchup problem along the lines of Andre Johnson. What team has the corners to cover two wideouts 6'3" or taller? Then again, if that's the logic, I'd take Hill, who's bigger (6'5") and a speed threat.

27 BROWNS FROM PATS

WILL PICK

Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State

SHOULD PICK

Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State

Cleveland sends a third-rounder to New England to move up 10 spots, from 37 to 27, and prevent the other Weeden fans—Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Niners—from grabbing him. I know he'll be 29 in October, but if you think a player can be a good starting quarterback in the league for eight years, and several teams do, he's worth a lot more than the 27th pick.

28 PACKERS

WILL PICK

Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State

SHOULD PICK

Doug Martin, RB, Boise State

Worthy would be the long-term replacement for Cullen Jenkins, though I could see G.M. Ted Thompson going for a big-potential outside threat like Nick Perry or Shea McClellin as a bookend pass rusher for Clay Matthews. Martin is the kind of versatile cold-weather back who would fit the Pack perfectly. "He's this draft's Ray Rice," one personnel man told me.

29 LIONS FROM BROWNS

WILL PICK

Amini Silatolu, G/T, Midwestern State

SHOULD PICK

Mike Adams, T, Ohio State

Upset special of the first round. The Lions loved Silatolu when he visited them, and they probably can't wait until their second-round pick (54th) to get him. Powerfully based and more explosive than he looks at 6'4" and 312 pounds, he could succeed Jeff Backus at left tackle, where Silatolu dominated Division II opponents for two years.

30 49ERS

WILL PICK

Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford

SHOULD PICK

Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech

Jim Harbaugh likes smart, physical, versatile skill players, and because he had Fleener for four years at Stanford (including Fleener's redshirt season of 2007), no coach knows a player in this draft better. Fleener isn't as athletic as Vernon Davis, but he did gain 17.8 yards per reception in his last two seasons for the Cardinal.

31 PATRIOTS

WILL PICK

Nick Perry, DE, USC

SHOULD PICK

Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State

All those who know what the Patriots are going to do with this pick, raise your hands. O.K., anybody besides Mike Mayock? After losing Mark Anderson in free agency and without knowing whether soon-to-be 33-year-old Andre Carter will be back—those two combined for 20 of the Pats' 40 sacks in 2011—New England needs an edge rusher. Perry's my best guess.

32 GIANTS

WILL PICK

Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame

SHOULD PICK

Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State

A mature four-year starter for the Irish, Smith has the speed to play free safety and the tackling ability to play strong. The Giants could go in a lot of directions here, with McClellin and Mike Adams both possible because of positional need. But a 47-game college starter and eager special-teamer will be too much for G.M. Jerry Reese to pass up.

The Chiefs are considered Weeden fans?

DA_T_84
04-17-2012, 09:54 AM
**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.

I could understand moderately disappointed it wasn't someone else, but how could he piss you off?

He has a very high floor, and moderately high ceiling. He wont miss tackles. He can cover TE's. He's a high character leader.

He may not make bone jarring hits, he may not strip the ball and cause fumbles. And he may not be a pass rusher. But he sure as shit will make tackles when he gets the opportunity. And hell, maybe he holds the RB up for Berry or DJ to destroy, and cause a fumble?

I guess I'm wondering, what reason would you be pissed?
- Because it wasn't someone else you have specifically in mind?
- Because you don't think he will be a dynamic playmaker, or surefire cornerstone on defense?
- Because you think he isn't good?
- Because you would rather trade back?
- Because you don't think ILB is a position of need?

Not being a dick. Just wondering, because maybe you will sway my opinion. Right now, I'd be just fine with him at #11 if we stay.

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 09:59 AM
Where exactly does he fit? He's not the type of ILB that can play Belcher's role. He's basically DJ's backup.

DA_T_84
04-17-2012, 10:04 AM
Where exactly does he fit? He's not the type of ILB that can play Belcher's role. He's basically DJ's backup.

I had that same concern, but then that former Chiefs scouts' take on that point convinced me otherwise.

I forget who posted it (Direckshun?), but basically the guy who was being interviewed said that its a non-issue, and an upgrade over Belcher. He said Kuechly can thump in that role.

EDIT: Here is that thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=257770&highlight=Chief+scout+kuechly

Interviewer asks the same question I have: isn't Kuechly more of a Will backer (the DJ position)? Can Kuechly hit the hole?

Yates: Sure. Kuechly played in a poor program in Boston College last year, and Kuechly was pretty much the one and only talent on the field, which resulted in him scrambling all over the field last year, giving him the look of a Will. But he can play the Mike great, and will stay on the field all three downs.

Not even Ray Lewis is a three down guy. DJ could play five downs if he had to (lol), but Kuechly would stay out on third down because he can drop so well.

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 10:23 AM
Every scouting report I've read about him.....says that he doesn't take on blocks and shed them. He runs around them.

DA_T_84
04-17-2012, 10:25 AM
Every scouting report I've read about him.....says that he doesn't take on blocks and shed them. He runs around them.

Guess I'll have to watch more tape (youtube vids, haha). I was pretty comfortable, but obviously thats a concern.

Hopefully I see evidence to the contrary.

Urc Burry
04-17-2012, 10:29 AM
I'm on my phone but here is this
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/luke-kuechly?id=2533056

Says he is "elite" at shedding blocks. I prefer to trade down but if we stay there Kuechly is my choice

Chiefnj2
04-17-2012, 10:41 AM
I had that same concern, but then that former Chiefs scouts' take on that point convinced me otherwise.

I forget who posted it (Direckshun?), but basically the guy who was being interviewed said that its a non-issue, and an upgrade over Belcher. He said Kuechly can thump in that role.

EDIT: Here is that thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=257770&highlight=Chief+scout+kuechly

If you believe what that guy says, then KC wouldn't be using a nickle package. I don't agree.

suds79
04-17-2012, 10:43 AM
Every scouting report I've read about him.....says that he doesn't take on blocks and shed them. He runs around them.

They said the same thing about DJ. I'm not concerned about it. Can the guy play? That's the Q.

Honestly there are a lot of times where I think that's the smart play. I saw DJ do it at times last year for big plays.

245 lb vs 310 OG. Who's going to win?

If you can get around that guy and make the tackle, do it.

Dave Lane
04-17-2012, 10:44 AM
I'm on my phone but here is this
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/luke-kuechly?id=2533056

Says he is "elite" at shedding blocks. I prefer to trade down but if we stay there Kuechly is my choice

Tape says otherwise. I won't be pissed but theres 5 other players I'd prefer at this spot.

Urc Burry
04-17-2012, 10:46 AM
If you believe what that guy says, then KC wouldn't be using a nickle package. I don't agree.

The chiefs ran the 2-3-6 second most in the league last year. We usually had 3 safeties in that formation. With Kuechly you would improve in both the run and pass with him in for McGraw

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 10:51 AM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Iz1g1K-wPqo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 10:54 AM
If we didn't have DJ.....I'd be all for it.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2012, 10:58 AM
He's got 1st rounders falling and guys who were never considered
1st rounders going in the first round. Pretty bad mock.

Weeden in the first round? LMAO.

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 10:59 AM
He's got 1st rounders falling and guys who were never considered
1st rounders going in the first round. Pretty bad mock.

Weeden in the first round? LMAO.

FWIW......that's Cleveland trading up into the 1st round with the Patriots. Both teams have done it before......so it's not out of the question. Especially because Weeden might not make it to Cleveland in the 2nd round.

Coogs
04-17-2012, 11:02 AM
Looks to me like the Browns could have just stood pat at #29 and got Weeden instead of trading up to #27? ;)

Chiefnj2
04-17-2012, 11:03 AM
The chiefs ran the 2-3-6 second most in the league last year. We usually had 3 safeties in that formation. With Kuechly you would improve in both the run and pass with him in for McGraw

I'm sorry, but a LB isn't going to out cover a safety. If you are worried about playing in a 2-3-6 so much, take Dre Kirkpatrick.

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 11:07 AM
There is something fucked up about that mock. The Browns don't have the 29th pick. They have the 4th and 22nd. They picked Richardson and Martin with those picks. Then they traded their 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick to move up to 27 for Weeden.

King fucked up. That should be Lions from Ravens.....not Lions from Browns.

DA_T_84
04-17-2012, 11:07 AM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Iz1g1K-wPqo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

FYI for anyone checking this video, its from a year ago.... I'm more interested in senior tape, but yeah. Games is games, and that is how he plays.

DA_T_84
04-17-2012, 11:12 AM
And that tape was sick. That dude is so instinctual, which is the same reason I fell in love with Berry.

Fuck it, I'm all in.

I want Kuechly.

Pestilence
04-17-2012, 11:13 AM
He's basically fucking Donnie Edwards. You can get a lot of tackles when you're tackling them 5-6 yards past the LOS.

the Talking Can
04-17-2012, 11:19 AM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Iz1g1K-wPqo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

eh...almost everything happens 3+ yards down field...doesn't seem very physical

they said he was a high school safety, and I think it shows in how he plays...

SNR
04-17-2012, 11:22 AM
I'd much rather reach on Gilmore or Kirkpatrick than take Kuechly

O.city
04-17-2012, 11:24 AM
For the ILB type of play we need from that spot, Hightower is the guy. However I'm not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Belcher. He is a better blitzer, but that's about it.

the Talking Can
04-17-2012, 11:24 AM
there's not one play in that vid where he shoots a gap, fights off a block and makes a play...that would be his #1 job...and Belcher is pretty solid at it

Munson
04-17-2012, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't be pissed if we take him. But I'd rather draft Melvin Ingram if he's available(which he is in this mock).

Blick
04-17-2012, 12:15 PM
Our run D was too soft last year. This guy is not the physical presence we need.

Hightower could be that guy, and he's versatile enough to help as a pass rusher. Shouldn't take him at 11 though.

BossChief
04-17-2012, 01:06 PM
If it falls like this and we can't move down, it's Barron or Ingram IMO.

If Kuechly forced 5 fumbles, or had a lot of TFL, I would be all about him being the pick.

I've been saying it for months, this guy is Donnie Edwards.

Good call pest

DJ's left nut
04-17-2012, 01:12 PM
Would hate that pick almost as much as Poe.

The Donnie Edwards comp is a good one - he's a drag tackler that can't rush the passer. And even though he's better than Belcher in coverage, he's still not good in coverage. He still won't be good enough to man up a premier pass-catching TE, so we'll still have to dedicate a safety or Nickle to those guys (i.e. he ultimately makes no difference in the scheme).

He's a horrible pick for this team. He will make absolutely no impact. In 3 years people will be talking about him the same way they talk about Curry - "Oh he was so safe and it seemed like such good situation for him; I just can't see how he failed, blah blah blah"

My premier pissivity picks are Poe, Kuechly and Barron - in that order. And to be honest, the more I read about Kuechly, the more likely I am to move him beyond Poe on the pissed list. At least Poe could actually make a massive impact if motivated. There's absolutely no upside to a Kuechly pick.

Mr. Laz
04-17-2012, 01:17 PM
Only idiots quote an entire foot long post for no reason

BigChiefFan
04-17-2012, 01:20 PM
Would hate that pick almost as much as Poe.

The Donnie Edwards comp is a good one - he's a drag tackler that can't rush the passer. And even though he's better than Belcher in coverage, he's still not good in coverage. He still won't be good enough to man up a premier pass-catching TE, so we'll still have to dedicate a safety or Nickle to those guys (i.e. he ultimately makes no difference in the scheme).

He's a horrible pick for this team. He will make absolutely no impact. In 3 years people will be talking about him the same way they talk about Curry - "Oh he was so safe and it seemed like such good situation for him; I just can't see how he failed, blah blah blah"

My premier pissivity picks are Poe, Kuechly and Barron - in that order. And to be honest, the more I read about Kuechly, the more likely I am to move him beyond Poe on the pissed list. At least Poe could actually make a massive impact if motivated. There's absolutely no upside to a Kuechly pick.

I tend to agree on Kuechly. He's probably a better fit in the4-3. He's not the thumper, we need, especially at 11.

Also, just for the record, Poe was a captain for Memphis.
Get ready for the pick of Poe. ;) :D

Saccopoo
04-17-2012, 05:35 PM
Every scouting report I've read about him.....says that he doesn't take on blocks and shed them. He runs around them.

That's incorrect. Kuechly is very effective in taking on blockers. He sheds blocks extremely well.

He's a better prospect than Derrick Johnson was at the same stage (no worry about the inability to self-motivate with Luke). He's more athletic/had better combine numbers than Pat Willis or Jerod Mayo.

He's a three down guy that can play sideline to sideline with incredible instincts.

You want a valid comparision? Think of London Fletcher combined with Brian Urlacher and you've got what Kuechly has the potential to be.

The guy is absolutely elite for the ILB/MLB position.

That being said, I don't think he's a "perfect" fit for the 34 defense that Crennel runs. However, if I was a 43, especially a Cover 2 43 team, I'd be looking at trying to acquire his services as much as possible. I don't see how Seattle passes on him and as such, I think he's the guy that the Chiefs will use to try to trade back down out of the #11 pick. Any 43 team with a question at the MLB spot is going to look hard at getting in front of Seattle to draft Kuechly. He is that good and merits a trade up if you need a MLB in a 43.

Saccopoo
04-17-2012, 05:42 PM
For the ILB type of play we need from that spot, Hightower is the guy. However I'm not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Belcher. He is a better blitzer, but that's about it.

Not really.

Belcher was a much more effective blitzer at the same stage. In fact, Belcher was playing DE/OLB his senior season at Maine and led the Colonial League with 17.5 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks. He's got excellent leverage and is effective getting under and through tackles/guards. He really does blow up guys pretty effectively. He is also very instinctual in reading plays.

Belcher can blitz just fine. He's simply not asked to do so in this defense.

His Pro Day numbers were almost identical to Hightowers.

You are not getting anything in Hightower that you already have in Belcher other than less experience. Seriously.

O.city
04-17-2012, 05:59 PM
Belcher blitzed well at Maine. Little different than being in the SEC. He isn't asked to blitz, you are right.



However, Hightower was/ is able to move around and play different spots on the defense.


In the end though, like you said, I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Hightower is. He is just getting back to full speed after the knee injury and I think he's a little more athletic than Belcher, but I'm not sure it's alot.

Ebolapox
04-17-2012, 06:27 PM
fuck that noise. no thank you to kuechly

SNR
04-17-2012, 06:51 PM
Do you guys see the Carolina Panthers surprising everybody by taking Kuechly instead of Fletcher Cox? They sucked up the middle last year but they WERE very young- two rookies Sione Fua and Terrell McClain. Plus this draft is exceptionally deep at defensive line.

It's not all that deep on Mike backers. Kuechly's an exceptionally talented one and would fill a need for Carolina.

Nightfyre
04-17-2012, 06:52 PM
Do you guys see the Carolina Panthers surprising everybody by taking Kuechly instead of Fletcher Cox?

I hope Carolina takes Kuechly because that would prevent us from taking him.

BossChief
04-17-2012, 08:56 PM
The only game I can remember Belcher being used to blitz more than a time or two was the playoff game against Baltimore and he had 2 sacks iirc.

Blick
04-17-2012, 09:34 PM
Do you guys see the Carolina Panthers surprising everybody by taking Kuechly instead of Fletcher Cox? They sucked up the middle last year but they WERE very young- two rookies Sione Fua and Terrell McClain. Plus this draft is exceptionally deep at defensive line.

It's not all that deep on Mike backers. Kuechly's an exceptionally talented one and would fill a need for Carolina.

Carolina has Jon Beason coming back so I would be surprised if they took Kuechly.

tredadda
04-17-2012, 09:40 PM
No f'in way. Yet another person outside of this board with knowledge of football thinks a certain guard from Stanford is worth a Top 15 pick. He actually think he should be picked at #7. Anti-DeCastro posse unite and send nasty grams to Peter King and tell him how stupid he is because you just DO NOT under any circumstances take a guard that high. Only in unity can you get your message out to all those supposed "experts" who constantly see it otherwise.

Chiefs=Good
04-17-2012, 10:09 PM
I think the assumption that the ilbs job is to only take up blockers is a way over simplification. Teams do pass on first and second down and when they do the ilb must drop..

tredadda
04-17-2012, 10:12 PM
I think the assumption that the ilbs job is to only take up blockers is a way over simplification. Teams do pass on first and second down and when they do the ilb must drop..

I agree 100%

buddha
04-17-2012, 10:49 PM
**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.

Me too. Even guys like King who are high on him admit that he's not physical. WTF??? We don't need a LB who isn't physical. Kuechly is a catcher, not a hitter. He leads the team/league in tackles because...? He played a ton of minutes and the rest of his defense sucked balls.

There are two players that I absolutely don't want KC to touch in the first round: Kuechly and Poe.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2012, 11:32 PM
Do you guys see the Carolina Panthers surprising everybody by taking Kuechly instead of Fletcher Cox? They sucked up the middle last year but they WERE very young- two rookies Sione Fua and Terrell McClain. Plus this draft is exceptionally deep at defensive line.

It's not all that deep on Mike backers. Kuechly's an exceptionally talented one and would fill a need for Carolina.

I have the Seahawks taking Kuechly, one pick after ours. He's a good fit there. He's a 4-3 MLBer.

BossChief
04-17-2012, 11:43 PM
For Kuechly to be worth the 11 pick, he should have had 20+ tackles for loss, 6+ sacks and 4+ forced fumbles.

The guy had no sacks and didn't force a single fumble in like 200 tackles.

To me, that's a red flag.

Let's compare his impact to a guy like Mercilus that had 16 sacks and forced 9 fumbles last year, for example.

Kuechly allows teams to dink and dunk your defense with always making the tackle.

Mercilus forces bad throws, puts opposing offenses in long yardage situations and takes the ball away.

It shouldn't take you long to decide which guy would impact your team more out of those two.

jspchief
04-18-2012, 12:37 AM
That's incorrect. Kuechly is very effective in taking on blockers. He sheds blocks extremely well.

He's a better prospect than Derrick Johnson was at the same stage (no worry about the inability to self-motivate with Luke). He's more athletic/had better combine numbers than Pat Willis or Jerod Mayo.

He's a three down guy that can play sideline to sideline with incredible instincts.

You want a valid comparision? Think of London Fletcher combined with Brian Urlacher and you've got what Kuechly has the potential to be.

The guy is absolutely elite for the ILB/MLB position.

That being said, I don't think he's a "perfect" fit for the 34 defense that Crennel runs. However, if I was a 43, especially a Cover 2 43 team, I'd be looking at trying to acquire his services as much as possible. I don't see how Seattle passes on him and as such, I think he's the guy that the Chiefs will use to try to trade back down out of the #11 pick. Any 43 team with a question at the MLB spot is going to look hard at getting in front of Seattle to draft Kuechly. He is that good and merits a trade up if you need a MLB in a 43.

I agree with this post.

And while he's not a better "Belcher", he's such a better overall player, he would make our defense better overall.

He's one of my top 5 for Chiefs picks.

Chiefshrink
04-18-2012, 12:45 AM
I like Keuchly at 11. With Manning, Tivers, and Palmer in this division, those asshats are going to dink and dunk on us. I would like a player that will read a block before he has to gtet hiss ass beat by an ol pancaking him. Bootlegs and tollouts have killed the Chiefs. I berlieve Keuchley can solve alot of what the rest of the west will try and do. Old ass gunslinngers with nobody to throw to.

:thumb:

Although, if this league were not evolving into a passing league 2/3rds of the time I would say NO to Kuechly. I trust my eyes in what I see and yes he can cover and has instinct but he is NOT a thumper and will get overpowered most of the time tackling from behind after a 5-8yd gain.

Now with that being said, if he truly played in a shitty D system at BC and was prevented from being the thumper because the O-line was getting to the 2nd level most of the time which it seems very often, I guess if Pioli takes Keuchly then he would say BC had a shitty D and Kuechly CAN be a thumper as well.

Blick
04-18-2012, 04:08 AM
It's a passing league, but stopping the run is still important. San Fran took the #1 rush D all the way to the NFC title game last year. It's easier to be dominant against the run than the pass with today's rules. Stuff the run, force teams to pass on your terms, and get after the QB. That's what our defense needs to do. Maintaining gap responsibility is important for run defense, sure, but a lot of it is attitude as well. I don't see Kuechly bringing that type of badass attitude you need as a LB to help us be a dominant run defense.

milkman
04-18-2012, 09:25 AM
No f'in way. Yet another person outside of this board with knowledge of football thinks a certain guard from Stanford is worth a Top 15 pick. He actually think he should be picked at #7. Anti-DeCastro posse unite and send nasty grams to Peter King and tell him how stupid he is because you just DO NOT under any circumstances take a guard that high. Only in unity can you get your message out to all those supposed "experts" who constantly see it otherwise.

There are very few media types that have the contacts in the league that Peter King has, but when it comes to making observations about talent and such on his own, he's freakin' moron.

Dave Lane
04-18-2012, 09:34 AM
For Kuechly to be worth the 11 pick, he should have had 20+ tackles for loss, 6+ sacks and 4+ forced fumbles.

The guy had no sacks and didn't force a single fumble in like 200 tackles.

To me, that's a red flag.

Let's compare his impact to a guy like Mercilus that had 16 sacks and forced 9 fumbles last year, for example.

Kuechly allows teams to dink and dunk your defense with always making the tackle.

Mercilus forces bad throws, puts opposing offenses in long yardage situations and takes the ball away.

It shouldn't take you long to decide which guy would impact your team more out of those two.

+1

tredadda
04-18-2012, 09:55 PM
There are very few media types that have the contacts in the league that Peter King has, but when it comes to making observations about talent and such on his own, he's freakin' moron.

If he were the only one making that observation I would tend to agree with you, but he is not. There is something to this. Not saying who I do and don't want (as those that I really want will be long gone by the time we pick), but times are a changin' and many see that. It is only a dogmatic few that refuse to see that and they feel that they are draft geniuses and any who disagree are idiots.

Dmello12
04-18-2012, 10:27 PM
If we are really wanting to pick an Ilb with our first pick, i dont see why it would be Kuechly over Hightower. You add another pick. I think Hightower is just as good and just as athletic if not more, he for sure plays faster. I dont think the pick will be an Ilb anyways. Look up Mychal Kendricks from Cal a 2nd round pick who ran a 4.5 dude's crazy athletic

DA_T_84
04-18-2012, 10:34 PM
If we are really wanting to pick an Ilb with our first pick, i dont see why it would be Kuechly over Hightower. You add another pick. I think Hightower is just as good and just as athletic if not more, he for sure plays faster. I dont think the pick will be an Ilb anyways. Look up Mychal Kendricks from Cal a 2nd round pick who ran a 4.5 dude's crazy athletic

Gotta have a partner to dance with. We have no clue who is or isn't interested in trading.

What you make it sound like is that taking Kuechly at 11 is better than trading down and taking Hightower.

No one is making that arguement though.

Pretty sure anyone with a brain prefers a trade down over anything else (staying at 11 for anyone, or moving up) at this point.

Dmello12
04-18-2012, 10:40 PM
Gotta have a partner to dance with. We have no clue who is or isn't interested in trading.

What you make it sound like is that taking Kuechly at 11 is better than trading down and taking Hightower.

No one is making that arguement though.

Pretty sure anyone with a brain prefers a trade down over anything else (staying at 11 for anyone, or moving up) at this point.

didnt mean that at all. I was arguing against that.

And its very likely a player will fall to 11 and a team jumps on it (i hope). Im just saying if that option is there Kuechly would not be worth staying place

DA_T_84
04-18-2012, 10:58 PM
didnt mean that at all. I was arguing against that.

And its very likely a player will fall to 11 and a team jumps on it (i hope). Im just saying if that option is there Kuechly would not be worth staying place

Yeah, I fucked that up, i meant that it sounded like you think people actually prefer Kuechly over trading down.

I'd trade down in a heartbeat. We just can't bank on it.

If we're stuck though, Im not mad with Kuechly. In fact I like him better than most dudes, unless someone drops unexpectedly.

Brock
04-18-2012, 11:14 PM
No f'in way. Yet another person outside of this board with knowledge of football thinks a certain guard from Stanford is worth a Top 15 pick. He actually think he should be picked at #7. Anti-DeCastro posse unite and send nasty grams to Peter King and tell him how stupid he is because you just DO NOT under any circumstances take a guard that high. Only in unity can you get your message out to all those supposed "experts" who constantly see it otherwise.

:LOL:

BossChief
04-18-2012, 11:22 PM
Chances are if we move back to late teens and Kuechly is still there, so are a couple other guys that would still be better picks.

I would probably take Decastro or Poe over him and I'm not a fan AT ALL of either player at 11.

The only things he is really good at are things that wouldnt fit the needs of the position he would be asked to fill.

veist
04-19-2012, 02:44 AM
I could understand moderately disappointed it wasn't someone else, but how could he piss you off?

He has a very high floor, and moderately high ceiling. He wont miss tackles. He can cover TE's. He's a high character leader.

He may not make bone jarring hits, he may not strip the ball and cause fumbles. And he may not be a pass rusher. But he sure as shit will make tackles when he gets the opportunity. And hell, maybe he holds the RB up for Berry or DJ to destroy, and cause a fumble?

I guess I'm wondering, what reason would you be pissed?
- Because it wasn't someone else you have specifically in mind?
- Because you don't think he will be a dynamic playmaker, or surefire cornerstone on defense?
- Because you think he isn't good?
- Because you would rather trade back?
- Because you don't think ILB is a position of need?

Not being a dick. Just wondering, because maybe you will sway my opinion. Right now, I'd be just fine with him at #11 if we stay.

No, just no. He's not going to do any better a job against the TEs that are a problem in coverage than anyone in the league right now. Rob Gronkowski is going to drink his milkshake in coverage and it won't even be funny. I just don't get this hardon for a guy that in all likelyhood if he's what people are projecting him to be absolutely doesn't fit the defense, if he is exactly what you're projecting he's basically the third Tampa-2 Mike of all time which is about the last thing we need. Also the biggest concern about Kuechly is how he does when OL get on him which considering how often we line up with the OG uncovered is going to happen to him on the reg.

Bootlegged
03-12-2013, 09:44 AM
Me too. Even guys like King who are high on him admit that he's not physical. WTF??? We don't need a LB who isn't physical. Kuechly is a catcher, not a hitter. He leads the team/league in tackles because...? He played a ton of minutes and the rest of his defense sucked balls.

There are two players that I absolutely don't want KC to touch in the first round: Kuechly and Poe.

:LOL:

Good call.

Bootlegged
03-12-2013, 09:45 AM
**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.

:LOL:

buddha
03-12-2013, 03:51 PM
:LOL:

Good call.

What a genius you are, asswipe. Anybody can second guess a year later.

For the record, the first rounder that I wanted for KC turned out to be terrific.