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Urc Burry
04-25-2012, 03:20 PM
Mayock and Field Yates are both predicting it.

Three years ago, GM Scott Pioli and the Kansas City Chiefs held the third overall pick in the NFL draft. Seemingly out of nowhere, reports surfaced only days before the draft that the Chiefs really like Tyson Jackson. On draft night, the Chiefs chose Tyson Jackson.

While not as dramatic of a leap in perceived draft stock, Mark Barron is starting to be connected to the Chiefs. The Alabama safety is considered the best player at his position in the draft. But....the Chiefs just drafted Eric Berry and it seems like they may have hit on Kendrick Lewis, meaning safety isn't exactly a high priority.

Our good friend Field Yates actually sent Barron to the Chiefs in his draft predictions.

Star-divide

Barron could also be a staple of the defensive game plan against new division foe Peyton Manning.

Romeo Crennel used safety Jon McGraw as a primary coverage player against tight ends versus Indianapolis when the two teams played in 2010, and that's a strategy he'll be likely to continue to employ this season and beyond.

But here's the one that will really make you think. NFL Network's Mike Mayock -- we all love Mayock -- also has Barron going to the Chiefs in his one and only mock draft.

This wouldn't be as stunning as the Jackson pick. The Bills (11) reportedly like Barron. So do the Chargers (18), and the Cowboys (14), too. Barron may not even make it to the Cowboys pick, so says Adam Schefter. Barron falling to the 11th pick could also end up being beneficial to the Chiefs either way, keeping possible trades in mind.

But this would still qualify as a surprise, even if it's not on the Tyson Jackson level surprise.

24ish hours before the draft. What are you thinking on Barron to the Chiefs at No. 11?

Brock
04-25-2012, 03:22 PM
I don't buy it.

Molitoth
04-25-2012, 03:28 PM
Smokescreen for trade bait?

Detoxing
04-25-2012, 03:30 PM
I don't buy it.

Me either. I think if Barron somehow slipped to the Chiefs, the Chiefs would likely have several suitable partners to trade back with.

Kinda funny. I was just taking a shit, thinking about this scenario. Trade back with Dallas, pick up a third and draft Hightower.

Mi_chief_fan
04-25-2012, 03:34 PM
Me either. I think if Barron somehow slipped to the Chiefs, the Chiefs would likely have several suitable partners to trade back with.

Kinda funny. I was just taking a shit, thinking about this scenario. Trade back with Dallas, pick up a third and draft Hightower.

That would be perfect.

the Talking Can
04-25-2012, 03:47 PM
i think pioli's #1 goal is to trade down

DA_T_84
04-25-2012, 04:47 PM
Man I hope I'm wrong about this guy if we draft him.

Direckshun
04-25-2012, 04:58 PM
Field Yates... is as solid a source as it gets when it comes to this front office.

I remain convinced it will be Kuechly or a trade down. But who knows.

BossChief
04-25-2012, 05:19 PM
I've been saying it all along.

I should probably just go ahead and say that I'm not Mike Mayock.

You know what scares me a little?

SD jumping up to 13 for the kid.

the Talking Can
04-25-2012, 05:23 PM
espn just reported that dallas has talked to kcc about the #11 pick

Brock
04-25-2012, 05:27 PM
espn just reported that dallas has talked to kcc about the #11 pick

that's cool.

Urc Burry
04-25-2012, 05:29 PM
I am going to guess our big board is looking like:

1. Trade down
2. Kuechly
3. Barron

Detoxing
04-25-2012, 05:39 PM
espn just reported that dallas has talked to kcc about the #11 pick

And my master plan begins to unfold.

BossChief
04-25-2012, 05:47 PM
How cool would it be if Tannehill doesn't get picked by Miami and falls to 11 and we trade down to 14, adding a third rounder, and take Tannehill at 14.

The server here would probably get tested big time.

Saul Good
04-25-2012, 06:02 PM
I am going to guess our big board is looking like:

1. Trade down
2. Kuechly
3. Barron

I'm becoming more and more convinced that it's Brockers if we pick at 11. Hell, it could be Brockers at 14.

oldandslow
04-25-2012, 06:07 PM
I'm becoming more and more convinced that it's Brockers if we pick at 11. Hell, it could be Brockers at 14.

I think it is Brockers as well, although I would prefer Barron. Brockers is a reach, imo, Barron isn't.

ChiefMojo
04-25-2012, 06:26 PM
Well it seems the Cowboys top two targets are Barron and Brockers. If we trade with the Cowboys to #14, then it could very well be Brockers. Who knows DeCastro could be there also.

Another thing to think about is that #14 is a spot to trade down once again if we could... keep compiling draft picks. Wonder if DeCastro is still there at #14, would someone like Cincy trade up to land him?

Bewbies
04-25-2012, 06:43 PM
If trading back means no DeCastro I'm not interested. I don't want to have to wait another 5 years before we get a shot at a Super Bowl.

Dmello12
04-25-2012, 06:48 PM
would love to have Barron butttt... i dont see it happening

Mecca
04-25-2012, 08:03 PM
Well it seems the Cowboys top two targets are Barron and Brockers. If we trade with the Cowboys to #14, then it could very well be Brockers. Who knows DeCastro could be there also.

Another thing to think about is that #14 is a spot to trade down once again if we could... keep compiling draft picks. Wonder if DeCastro is still there at #14, would someone like Cincy trade up to land him?

Cincy is all but saying they will not go OL in the first round and most likely go defense...Janoris Jenkins home is there I guarantee it.

KCrockaholic
04-25-2012, 08:15 PM
Cincy is all but saying they will not go OL in the first round and most likely go defense...Janoris Jenkins home is there I guarantee it.

Not in the first.

Mecca
04-25-2012, 08:18 PM
Not in the first.

Remember they have 2 1sts, he has 1st round talent so they may justify it.

KCrockaholic
04-25-2012, 08:20 PM
Remember they have 2 1sts, he has 1st round talent so they may justify it.

I'd be very surprised. I expect them to go with Kirkpatrick. And I don't think Jenkins goes in the 1st round at all. More likely the 2nd. I have to think that at some point the Bungals will actually learn from their mistakes and stop signing guys that bring baggage to the team.

Mecca
04-25-2012, 08:24 PM
I'd be very surprised. I expect them to go with Kirkpatrick. And I don't think Jenkins goes in the 1st round at all. More likely the 2nd. I have to think that at some point the Bungals will actually learn from their mistakes and stop signing guys that bring baggage to the team.

They'll take whoever the most talented guy is, they don't care about baggage.

BossChief
04-25-2012, 08:25 PM
Haha

Marvin Lewis calls Jenkins to let him know he will be the Bengals pick....it rings 4 times and then it picks up and Jenkins says "hold on a minute" and Lewis hears a bubbling sound quickly followed by coughing sounds...Jenkins picks up and is like "who this?"

Lewis facdpalms himself and is already regretting the pick.

Mecca
04-25-2012, 08:27 PM
Sad thing is Jenkins as just a player is as gifted as Claiborne and he's better than Stepon Gilmore.

BossChief
04-25-2012, 08:33 PM
You have got to be full retard to do what he did at the combine

Mecca
04-25-2012, 08:34 PM
You have got to be full retard to do what he did at the combine

Didn't say he was very smart, but his retardation doesn't make up for the retarded rise of Gilmore, the guy just isn't that good.

Dayze
04-25-2012, 08:47 PM
brockers at 3

BossChief
04-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Didn't say he was very smart, but his retardation doesn't make up for the retarded rise of Gilmore, the guy just isn't that good.

Higher floor because he is clean...I agree that his ceiling isn't as high as the others.

ChiefMojo
04-25-2012, 09:27 PM
Jenkins is the best pure cover man in the draft imo. If it wasn't for his mis-haps, he would be top 10 even with his height limitations.

BossChief
04-25-2012, 09:36 PM
It's debatable if he is the best, but he is surely in the conversation.

Okie_Apparition
04-25-2012, 09:43 PM
Red Barron is pie

Chiefshrink
04-26-2012, 01:08 AM
espn just reported that dallas has talked to kcc about the #11 pick

I posted this yesterday and it looks like it just might happen with Dallas assuming Barron is there for us.


Yesterday, 01:33 AM #18
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1. Luck
2. RGIII
3. Kalil
4. Richardson
5. Claiborne
6. Blackmon
7. Floyd
8. Tannehill
9. Cox
10. Reiff

11. With Brockers,Kuechley,Barron, Gilmore and DeCastro still there, this is still pretty good bait to get someone to jump up and make Pioli an offer. Pioli won't make the Tyson Jackson mistake again with Brockers, Kuechly is not a pass rushing LB for the 3/4, DeCastro is too high for a guard, Gilmore not enough value at 11 but Barron maaaaaybe ?

IMO,Philly and Dallas both have a need for DTs and SSs and will compete against each other for either Brockers/Barron. AZ and Seattle will likely compete for Kuechly and possibly DeCastro. Some other unknown team may jump up want DeCastro as well. But with all that said, IMO the Chiefs will trade down with one of these teams mentioned and get an extra pick and if the player they have targeted does not meet their value they will look to trade down again. But if they cannot find a trading partner the second time their pick will be:

Shea McClellin at either 12,13,14 or 15 He is a Pioli right 53 kind of guy that ideally Pioli would like to draft in the 20's if he can find a trading partner to get good value that can cover,thump, and PASS RUSH.

Chiefshrink
04-26-2012, 01:32 AM
Field Yates... is as solid a source as it gets when it comes to this front office.

I remain convinced it will be Kuechly or a trade down. But who knows.

I don't know, Barron is a very safe pro bowl Ed Reed type of pick and paired with Berry the Chiefs 2ndary would be lethal for Rivers and Manning assuming we use our next pick on Chapman.

Kuechly although great in coverage and tackling he needs to be able to rush the QB and thump the RBS as well and he is not that type of LB IMO.

If Barron falls to us IMO it will take a king's ransom from Dallas or whoever for us to tradedown and pass on Barron considering his rise on everybody's draftboard and the precedent and lesson taught to everyone in the league by Ed Reed and how important the SS has become now that the NFL is a passing league .

If I am GM and Barron falls to us I am taking him unless I get the king's ransom. If I get the king's ransom then I take either Brockers or McClellin with our first, use our 44th on Zeitler and the additional 2nd pick we get for the trade down I get Chapman but we might be able to use our 3rd rd on Chapman and use that additional 2nd rd pick on another CB,LB or WR.

Your thoughts?

Fat Elvis
04-26-2012, 08:53 AM
I don't know, Barron is a very safe pro bowl Ed Reed type of pick and paired with Berry the Chiefs 2ndary would be lethal for Rivers and Manning assuming we use our next pick on Chapman.

Kuechly although great in coverage and tackling he needs to be able to rush the QB and thump the RBS as well and he is not that type of LB IMO.

If Barron falls to us IMO it will take a king's ransom from Dallas or whoever for us to tradedown and pass on Barron considering his rise on everybody's draftboard and the precedent and lesson taught to everyone in the league by Ed Reed and how important the SS has become now that the NFL is a passing league .

If I am GM and Barron falls to us I am taking him unless I get the king's ransom. If I get the king's ransom then I take either Brockers or McClellin with our first, use our 44th on Zeitler and the additional 2nd pick we get for the trade down I get Chapman but we might be able to use our 3rd rd on Chapman and use that additional 2nd rd pick on another CB,LB or WR.

Your thoughts?

My first thought is that Ed Reed is a FS....

Chiefshrink
04-26-2012, 09:11 AM
My first thought is that Ed Reed is a FS....

Think outside the box. Crennel can creative confusing "dupe pkgs" for the opposing QB as to who is playing what when you have EB and MB.

But for technical purposes yes ED is a FS.

buddha
04-26-2012, 09:13 AM
Barron is a great player today. He is going to make some team very happy!

DJ's left nut
04-26-2012, 09:38 AM
My first thought is that Ed Reed is a FS....

My second thought is that sportsshrink once called Matt Cassel "Our own John Elway"...

Sportsshrink is pretty much retarded.

buddha
04-26-2012, 09:44 AM
My second thought is that sportsshrink once called Matt Cassel "Our own John Elway"...

Sportsshrink is pretty much retarded.

He graded Kalil as a B- offensive tackle in another thread...thus proving your point again.

Chiefnj2
04-26-2012, 09:45 AM
This, from the Nationalfootballpost.com, gets me excited about Romeo and Barron:

"In their base defense he lined up at either free or strong depending on the offensive alignment. In the Tennessee game for instance he was at free safety 17 plays. Where people could get the misconception that he plays in the box is that in some of Alabama’s sub packages Alabama brings in a third safety and moves Barron to linebacker as a nickel linebacker. He is not used in a box safety role. When he is at that nickel linebacker position he will sometimes blitz, sometimes have the TE in man to man coverage or he can be walked off and play man on a slot. I have also seen him have a back in man coverage when at linebacker."

buddha
04-26-2012, 09:51 AM
This, from the Nationalfootballpost.com, gets me excited about Romeo and Barron:

"In their base defense he lined up at either free or strong depending on the offensive alignment. In the Tennessee game for instance he was at free safety 17 plays. Where people could get the misconception that he plays in the box is that in some of Alabama’s sub packages Alabama brings in a third safety and moves Barron to linebacker as a nickel linebacker. He is not used in a box safety role. When he is at that nickel linebacker position he will sometimes blitz, sometimes have the TE in man to man coverage or he can be walked off and play man on a slot. I have also seen him have a back in man coverage when at linebacker."

Great find Chiefnj2. This is what makes Barron much more valuable than Kuechly. He really can play every down on defense and play at a very high level.

Micjones
04-26-2012, 10:13 AM
Maybe if we traded down, but even then...
We have two starters at Safety. I like Kendrick Lewis. He's ascending.

Trying to improve that position when we have Jack & Shit at spots like NT? No thanks.
We can get a GOOD Safety in Round 4 after more pressing issues have been addressed.

milkman
04-26-2012, 10:59 AM
Maybe if we traded down, but even then...
We have two starters at Safety. I like Kendrick Lewis. He's ascending.

Trying to improve that position when we have Jack & Shit at spots like NT? No thanks.
We can get a GOOD Safety in Round 4 after more pressing issues have been addressed.

Lewis may or may not be ascending.
He appears to have reached his ceiling to me.

But you pass on Barron because we need a NT?
What NT are you taking in the first round?

Poe?

Dicky McElephant
04-26-2012, 11:18 AM
Maybe if we traded down, but even then...
We have two starters at Safety. I like Kendrick Lewis. He's ascending.

Trying to improve that position when we have Jack & Shit at spots like NT? No thanks.
We can get a GOOD Safety in Round 4 after more pressing issues have been addressed.

Crennel runs a lot of 3 safety packages. Which sounds better to you?

Berry, Barron and Lewis or Berry, Lewis, McGraw.

brorth
04-26-2012, 11:25 AM
We'd just have a SWARM of B's
Baldwin, Bowe, Breaston, Barron, Berry, Brandon.

(Obligatory joke about African-Americanized B's being more deadly than a North American WASP.)

DJ's left nut
04-26-2012, 11:26 AM
Crennel runs a lot of 3 safety packages. Which sounds better to you?

Berry, Barron and Lewis or Berry, Lewis, McGraw.

Berry, Lewis and Taylor. Or Berry, Lewis and Smith.

I'm not convinced Smith is any worse than Barron at all and Taylor is at worst a slight downgrade in run support and a very similar coverage player.

I'm not against taking a safety in this draft at all - I'm against taking one at 11. I'd far prefer the trade down scenarios that have us grabbing an extra 3rd that should allow us to either take both Chapman and Taylor in the 3rd, or even Smith in the 2nd (since the extra 3rd could make Chapman a foregone conclusion).

KCrockaholic
04-26-2012, 11:35 AM
I like Brandon Taylor a lot. I'd say he has more upside than Smith. If we could get him in the 3rd that would be a great deal.

htismaqe
04-26-2012, 11:41 AM
Maybe if we traded down, but even then...
We have two starters at Safety. I like Kendrick Lewis. He's ascending.

Trying to improve that position when we have Jack & Shit at spots like NT? No thanks.
We can get a GOOD Safety in Round 4 after more pressing issues have been addressed.

Milk beat me to it, but just who is there at 11 that instantly improves the NT position? And yes, that's a rhetorical question.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2012, 01:11 PM
Berry, Lewis and Taylor. Or Berry, Lewis and Smith.

I'm not convinced Smith is any worse than Barron at all and Taylor is at worst a slight downgrade in run support and a very similar coverage player.

I'm not against taking a safety in this draft at all - I'm against taking one at 11. I'd far prefer the trade down scenarios that have us grabbing an extra 3rd that should allow us to either take both Chapman and Taylor in the 3rd, or even Smith in the 2nd (since the extra 3rd could make Chapman a foregone conclusion).I don't believe Smith will be there in the second round when we pick.

BossChief
04-26-2012, 01:37 PM
On Parcells big board, he had Barron as a mid first and had Taylor as a 5th rounder.

milkman
04-26-2012, 01:43 PM
On Parcells big board, he had Barron as a mid first and had Taylor as a 5th rounder.

I've always thought that Parcells is a damn good coach, but not really a good talent evaluator.

He won SBs when others were buying the groceries.

aturnis
04-26-2012, 01:57 PM
I think some of your crushes on Barron have you blinded. To me, our "love" for Barron is nothing more than a smoke screen designed to force Dallas to trade into our spot.

KurtCobain
04-26-2012, 02:07 PM
Our one two combo will be barron and weeden.

BossChief
04-26-2012, 02:11 PM
In the NFL, actions dictate intentions more often than not.

1) Our defense had 3 safeties on the field more than half the time.

2) We haven't made any effort to re-sign Jon McGraw

3) Barron was used all year at Alabama EXACTLY how we would use him in KC

The whole situation of making him our first rounder makes a ton of sense.

Detoxing
04-26-2012, 02:13 PM
In the NFL, actions dictate intentions more often than not.

1) Our defense had 3 safeties on the field more than half the time.

2) We haven't made any effort to re-sign Jon McGraw

3) Barron was used all year at Alabama EXACTLY how we would use him in KC

The whole situation of making him our first rounder makes a ton of sense.

Yup.

And Barron is pretty much the only pick that would make CP JITP.

BossChief
04-26-2012, 02:18 PM
Barron is also the ONLY guy that could step in day one and improve this defense.

ChiefsCountry
04-26-2012, 02:21 PM
Barron is also the ONLY guy that could step in day one and improve this defense.

That is going a little too far IMO.

Micjones
04-26-2012, 02:32 PM
Milk beat me to it, but just who is there at 11 that instantly improves the NT position? And yes, that's a rhetorical question.

I'm not suggesting we go there with the #11 pick, but I'd rather not see us draft a Safety either. We have a Pro Bowl Safety and, in my view, an ascending player in Lewis beside him.

I wanted to see this team draft a Safety for depth purposes, but not to take away Kendrick Lewis' job. We can't keep replacing good football players because they aren't studs. Not when we have other holes.

That's why I really don't want Kuechly either.

For me... It's Tannehill, DeCastro or trade down.

BossChief
04-26-2012, 02:32 PM
That is going a little too far IMO.

Why?

Brockers and Poe are both projects

Kuechly upgrades our coverage, but I think downgrades our run defense unless we get a premier NT.

I guess Hightower impacts the defense...but how much would that be the case over an already solid Belcher?...he also completely takes Belcher (who is ascending) off the field.

Barron upgrades a ghost.

We only have two safeties right now and both are coming off injury and we run 3 safety sets about 60% of the time.

Fat Elvis
04-26-2012, 02:49 PM
Why?

Brockers and Poe are both projects

Kuechly upgrades our coverage, but I think downgrades our run defense unless we get a premier NT.

I guess Hightower impacts the defense...but how much would that be the case over an already solid Belcher?...he also completely takes Belcher (who is ascending) off the field.

Barron upgrades a ghost.

We only have two safeties right now and both are coming off injury and we run 3 safety sets about 60% of the time.

With Barron, a three safety set could be our base defense....

Chiefshrink
04-26-2012, 04:05 PM
Barron is also the ONLY guy that could step in day one and improve this defense.

BINGO !!

TEX
04-26-2012, 04:08 PM
Dallas REALLY wants Barron. There are reports of a trade between them and KC. I bet it goes down if Barron is stil available when we pick.