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Mecca
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
John Hughes just got drafted, is he finally done making movies?

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Holy shit McShay is right (never said that before) that Temple RB does run exactly like Arian Foster.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Holy shit McShay is right (never said that before) that Temple RB does run exactly like Arian Foster.

27 touchdowns last year.

Frosty
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Damn. There goes Foles.

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Eagles take Foles.

KevB
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Stephenson won't be ready.

So 2012 we still dont have depth at tackles.

So a guy that started every game at LT for Oklahoma won't be ready, but some joker from a small school that goes undrafted will be? I hope this is a fishing trip.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
There goes Foles.

chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Nick Foles to the eagles wow

Mr_Tomahawk
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Fuck!

ILChief
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
John Hughes just got drafted, is he finally done making movies?

Yeah he's done. He died about a year ago

Mecca
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
The Eagles draft QBs constantly.

Dylan
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
At this point the undrafted free agents we sign will be more ready than the guys we drafted.

not for nothing - that is a good thing. that's where the Giants find gems

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
If that Temple guy was Foster Pioli would have drafted him.

AustinChief
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Maybe you can play Oz and give him a heart.

Can I start by giving some of the ChiefsPlanet posters a brain? :D

redshirt32
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
The Chiefs pipe was filled with the good one hit wonder this year. :)

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
So a guy that started every game at LT for Oklahoma won't be ready, but some joker from a small school that goes undrafted will be? I hope this is a fishing trip.

The UDFA NT's will be more ready than Poe. Stephenson is a project he won't be ready to start for a few years.

milkman
04-27-2012, 08:38 PM
Can I start by giving some of the ChiefsPlanet posters a brain? :D

The Wizard of Aus?

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2012, 08:38 PM
Stephenson is a project he won't be ready to start for a few years.

Barring an injury we don't need him to start.

ILChief
04-27-2012, 08:39 PM
Nick Foles to the eagles wow

Oh well, there is really no point in drafting a qb this year. They wouldn't be any better than the three we already have

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:39 PM
The UDFA NT's will be more ready than Poe. Stephenson is a project he won't be ready to start for a few years.

Ho boy.

You guys are starting to go overboard.

Life continues as it always does on the Planet.

okcchief
04-27-2012, 08:39 PM
Can I start by giving some of the ChiefsPlanet posters a brain? :D

I like OL depth but Stephenson is not a good football player. It's not the position, it's the player. We seem to like the workout warriors vs actual football players. Bad formula.

chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:40 PM
Hicks goes to the Saints

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
Ho boy.

You guys are starting to go overboard.

Life continues as it always does on the Planet.

12 tackles against Conference USA competition and the excuse is he played every position and played all the time?


BTW I heard a stat his career vs the SEC 5 games 6 tackles. There will be an undrafted guy who's put up more production than that.

AustinChief
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
The Wizard of Aus?

Sweet! and now I have a new user title for under my name!

petegz28
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't understand some of you...we have all of our starters pretty much in place and people are bitching because we are drafting depth.

milkman
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
I like OL depth but Stephenson is not a good football player. It's not the position, it's the player. We seem to like the workout warriors vs actual football players. Bad formula.

Someone already mentioned the name here, but this feels a lot like Colin Brown in '09.

BossChief
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
It is a little odd that we have made three picks that are all developmental guys.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
Ho boy.

You guys are starting to go overboard.

Life continues as it always does on the Planet.

No shit.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
12 tackles against Conference USA competition and the excuse is he played every position and played all the time?

BTW I heard a stat his career vs the SEC 5 games 6 tackles. There will be an undrafted guy who's put up more production than that.

You didn't say put up more production.

You said there'd be a UDFA NT that'd be more ready to start than Poe.

Don't move the goalposts. Stand by your bullshit.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
Someone already mentioned the name here, but this feels a lot like Colin Brown in '09.

Colin Brown wasn't a top 100 player like Stephenson was.

Mecca
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
Someone already mentioned the name here, but this feels a lot like Colin Brown in '09.

Hey now Stephenson is at least listed on NFL.com

JASONSAUTO
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
Ho boy.

You guys are starting to go overboard.

Life continues as it always does on the Planet.
Yep. Always the same
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chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
Eagles having a nice draft

okcchief
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
Someone already mentioned the name here, but this feels a lot like Colin Brown in '09.

JFC I'm hoping not that bad.

ChiefMojo
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
There is nothing similar between Stephenson and Brown. Brown shouldn't have even been drafted, Stephenson went right where he was suppose to. Stephenson actually has a legit chance to start at LT in the NFL for a long time. Brown shouldn't have even been in the NFL and I never understood why we selected him... he wasn't even UDFA good.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
I don't understand some of you...we have all of our starters pretty much in place and people are bitching because we are drafting depth.

They have 22 99 overall guys in Madden

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
It is a little odd that we have made three picks that are all developmental guys.

It is.

But that's the Pioli regime. An extreme emphasis on talent development.

We've drafted more projects, I believe, than we have plug-and-plays.

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
You didn't say put up more production.

You said there'd be a UDFA NT that'd be more ready to start than Poe.

Don't move the goalposts. Stand by your bullshit.

I am. How the fuck is a guy who had 12 tackles against teams like Tulane ready to start in the NFL?

milkman
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
Colin Brown wasn't a top 100 player like Stephenson was.

No, I get that.

I'm aware of his athletic ability, and his potential.

But it does feel like a reach of the same type when there were better, more ready prospects on the board.

chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
Patriots continue to go with defense

okcchief
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
There is nothing similar between Stephenson and Brown. Brown shouldn't have even been drafted, Stephenson went right where he was suppose to. Stephenson actually has a legit chance to start at LT in the NFL for a long time. Brown shouldn't have even been in the NFL and I never understood why we selected him... he wasn't even UDFA good.

I think we could have made a better pick, but yeah he's not Brown bad.

Frosty
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
There is nothing similar between Stephenson and Brown. Brown shouldn't have even been drafted, Stephenson went right where he was suppose to. Stephenson actually has a legit chance to start at LT in the NFL for a long time. Brown shouldn't have even been in the NFL and I never understood why we selected him... he wasn't even UDFA good.

That's what's annoying about it. It smells of leverage for Albert.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
No, I get that.

I'm aware of his athletic ability, and his potential.

But it does feel like a reach of the same type when there were better, more ready prospects on the board.

I agree, that pick bothered me a bit.

Fine with the first 2 however.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
I am. How the **** is a guy who had 12 tackles against teams like Tulane ready to start in the NFL?

Name a UDFA NT that's going to be more ready to start than Poe.

Mecca
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
I wonder who Lamar Miller pissed off, I'd still like to have him though.

mdchiefsfan
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
They drafted a guy that could back up the tackle position in round 2

I think the fact they drafted a backup tackle tells you they plan to start Allen with Lilja being the backup interior lineman.

petegz28
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
Name a UDFA NT that's going to be more ready to start than Poe.

You know, the guy who is so good no one wanted to draft him. That guy!

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
Name a UDFA NT that's going to be more ready to start than Poe.

That would be kinda hard considering the draft is still going on.

petegz28
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
I think the fact they drafted a backup tackle tells you they plan to start Allen with Lilja being the backup interior lineman.

Lilja wills tart unless he gets beat out bad in camp

ILChief
04-27-2012, 08:47 PM
Mayock likes our draft:



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/tracker/by-round#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:kc/dt-by-round-input:3

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:47 PM
Kinda crazy how the Chiefs got leapt both times today.

Teams knew exactly who we wanted.

I wonder what changed in the Pioli war room.

chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:47 PM
I wonder who Lamar Miller pissed off, I'd still like to have him though.

This

JASONSAUTO
04-27-2012, 08:48 PM
That's what's annoying about it. It smells of leverage for Albert.

Isn't that Pioli's job?
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BossChief
04-27-2012, 08:48 PM
The Chargers really pissed me off with that trade up.

It really fucked us.

We NEED two safeties and now we have to crawl back to Jon McGraw.

Stanley Nickels
04-27-2012, 08:48 PM
Kinda crazy how the Chiefs got leapt both times today.

Teams knew exactly who we wanted.

I wonder what changed in the Pioli war room.

Or, it was purposely leaked because we didn't really value them that high. Shit like that doesn't just find its way out of Arrowhead magically.

Frosty
04-27-2012, 08:48 PM
Kinda crazy how the Chiefs got leapt both times today.

Teams knew exactly who we wanted.

I wonder what changed in the Pioli war room.

I think I would rather have Allen then Hill. However, I would rather have Taylor (or Foles) than Stephenson. Stupid SD. :mad:

KevB
04-27-2012, 08:49 PM
I wonder who Lamar Miller pissed off, I'd still like to have him though.

Bobby Massie and Brandon Thompson also. There are always guys like that that drop inexplicably. We got one last year in Powe. There's a reason these guys are dropping, and it illustrates that all of us that think we know more than the GM don't have all of the relevant information about these guys. Many GM's on this board were calling for T'Amu to go to us in the 2nd as our NT, and he's still out there.

Mecca
04-27-2012, 08:49 PM
If Pioli can somehow come out of this with Miller and Allen I'll be happy...

Frosty
04-27-2012, 08:49 PM
Isn't that Pioli's job?
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What? To let our good players leave?

ChiefMojo
04-27-2012, 08:49 PM
There were really only about 3-4 guys possibly rated higher than Stephenson still left out there and they aren't really any better than Stephenson. From what I could tell guys in Stephenson's level remaining are Bobby Massie (Ole Miss), Zebrie Sanders (FSU) and James Brown (Troy). Guys also similar are like Tony Bergstrom (Utah) or Nate Potter (Boise State).

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:50 PM
The Chargers really pissed me off with that trade up.

It really ****ed us.

We NEED two safeties and now we have to crawl back to Jon McGraw.

How bout the often injured OJ Atogwe?

chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:51 PM
T.Y. Hilton to the Colts

BossChief
04-27-2012, 08:51 PM
I wonder who Lamar Miller pissed off, I'd still like to have him though.

He should be Indys pick, but they go with Dexter McHilton

KevB
04-27-2012, 08:51 PM
**** there goes my Hilton pick. I wanted him. Ok, now I'm with all you guys who hate the Stephenson pick. :)

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2012, 08:51 PM
TY Hilton is a nice pick for Indy to pair with their TEs.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:51 PM
I think the fact the Jets jumped us was because that rumor we dangled Bowe is true. That's why they jumped us in the 2nd round when a large, highly-valued WR is on the board. Hell, we probably offered Bowe to them...

The Taylor jump by SD is just an example of us telegraphing our pick somehow.

That shit's gotta get tightened up next year.

mdchiefsfan
04-27-2012, 08:52 PM
Lilja wills tart unless he gets beat out bad in camp

I thought so too, but with the Stephenson pick we picked up our o line depth. I think Allen has a fair shot to start

JASONSAUTO
04-27-2012, 08:52 PM
What? To let our good players leave?

To have a replacement ready for a player in a contract year.
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Mecca
04-27-2012, 08:52 PM
I think the fact the Jets jumped us was because that rumor we dangled Bowe is true. That's why they jumped us in the 2nd round when a large, highly-valued WR is on the board. Hell, we probably offered Bowe to them...

The Taylor jump by SD is just an example of us telegraphing our pick somehow.

That shit's gotta get tightened up next year.

When you have 2 safeties after playing 3 constantly most everyone understands you might draft one.

SPchief
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
Well hello Oakland, welcome to the 2012 NFL Draft!

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
Wow Bengals are doing an amazing job. Is it true it's the Brown family who does the scouting?

ILChief
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
According to nfl.com draft tracker Stephenson had the third highest grade of any player drafted in the third round behind dwayne Allen and trumaine Johnson.

milkman
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
Is there a team, other than the Raiders and Saints, who didn't have any early picks, as inactive in this draft as the Chiefs have been?

keg in kc
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
Not quite sure I get the logic of the last pick (I've been playing ME3, my first gold PvP matches ever).

Wonder if today's the death knell for David Mims and Daryl Harris.

KevB
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
I think the fact the Jets jumped us was because that rumor we dangled Bowe is true. That's why they jumped us in the 2nd round when a large, highly-valued WR is on the board. Hell, we probably offered Bowe to them...

The Taylor jump by SD is just an example of us telegraphing our pick somehow.

That shit's gotta get tightened up next year.

If we knew that safety was a big need, easy enough for the Chargers to know the same thing.

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
When you have 2 safeties after playing 3 constantly most everyone understands you might draft one.

Why not move up to make sure you get the guy you want?

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2012, 08:54 PM
I think the fact the Jets jumped us was because that rumor we dangled Bowe is true. That's why they jumped us in the 2nd round when a large, highly-valued WR is on the board. Hell, we probably offered Bowe to them...

The Taylor jump by SD is just an example of us telegraphing our pick somehow.

That shit's gotta get tightened up next year.

I think you're wrong about the Jets.

BossChief
04-27-2012, 08:54 PM
How bout the often injured OJ Atogwe?

There is still guy jr. on the board...who else?

I used to like Sean Jones and he played for Romeo. He is still out there, too.

Same for Matt Roth.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:54 PM
According to nfl.com draft tracker Stephenson had the third highest grade of any player drafted in the third round behind dwayne Allen and trumaine Johnson.

It's not a bad pick, per se.

My initial disappointment was mainly because we're stocking the trenches when we have gaping holes elsewhere.

Anyway, I get it. But we better coach the shit out of this motherfucker.

Dylan
04-27-2012, 08:55 PM
Uh oh... Giants on the clock...

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 08:55 PM
I think you're wrong about the Jets.

How do you figure.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2012, 08:56 PM
Aaron Henry is my favorite safety and he will be at our pick in the 4th.

Frosty
04-27-2012, 08:56 PM
It's not a bad pick, per se.

My initial disappointment was mainly because we're stocking the trenches when we have gaping holes elsewhere.

Anyway, I get it. But we better coach the shit out of this mother****er.

This is what I have been trying to say.

SPchief
04-27-2012, 08:56 PM
Do the Raiders go QB?

ChiefMojo
04-27-2012, 08:56 PM
Daryl Harris is a interior depth and Mims is more outside help on the edge. Our depth entering this coming season was atrocious to say the least. We are adding quality players for depth and to start... some are still pissed. We could have just drafted duds in the 6th/7th round to say they are token depth... people would have pissed and moaned then also of course.

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2012, 08:56 PM
Nice pick by Giants - Jayron Hosley

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
I am. How the **** is a guy who had 12 tackles against teams like Tulane ready to start in the NFL?

The #1 requirement for a Nose Tackle is that you have the physical ability to play. You have to be big, strong, and have endurance. Poe has all those things. Those are uncoachable.

His biggest problems are coachable. It's absolutely worth the risk to see if coaching those things up can fix him. It's definitely boom bust. He plays way too often with his pads up, which means that he easily gets stood up. Yes, it absolutely matters that he plays positions outside of the 0-technique because they asked the guy to stunt and penetrate, which seems crazy to me. And he uses his hands horrendously. Guess what. The Chiefs have been absolutely phenomenal at coaching their linemen to use their hands and it's led to wildly improved results.

I think people bitching about Poe are bitching for the sake of bitching. He was a very risky pick. But don't act like coaching him to consistently keep his pads low and to use his hands better isn't going to give him potential to be a much better player.

Frosty
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
Aaron Henry is my favorite safety and he will be at our pick in the 4th.

So, who do you think will jump up in front of us to get him?

chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
Bengals continue a great draft

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
How do you figure.

I don't think we were offering Bowe to them nor were we going to draft Hill.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
According to nfl.com draft tracker Stephenson had the third highest grade of any player drafted in the third round behind dwayne Allen and trumaine Johnson.

That's interesting, considering I just read this on the same site:

Stephenson is a big offensive lineman who has been versatile at the tackle position. Far from a powerful mover, is somewhat of a finesse blocker. Quick in the run game and nasty when finishing plays. Relies more on competitiveness than strength to get the job done, but the fact that he's played both left and right tackle for a major program makes him a late-round pick with backup potential.

Strengths

Stephenson is very quick out of his stance, and this is his one shining quality. Has good footwork and is a lateral mover who can get beat by strength but recovers well to not allow sacks. Good when puling and working in the open field; has more value as a mover and second-level blocker. He can be nasty when finishing plays and is reliable to not allow sacks.

Weaknesses

Stephenson is not very strong despite his size. Always in a stalemate and forces himself to use footwork. Quick off the line, but not explosive. Can get blown back by more explosive players in pass blocking.

BossChief
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
When you have 2 safeties after playing 3 constantly most everyone understands you might draft one.

I bet they had Barron and Taylor both targeted.

ILChief
04-27-2012, 08:58 PM
What time does the draft start tomorrow?

KevB
04-27-2012, 08:58 PM
Anyway, I get it. But we better coach the shit out of this mother****er.

Definitely putting pressure on our coaching staff with this draft, but that's their job.

Mecca
04-27-2012, 08:58 PM
There's still a couple safeties and Lamar Miller on the board, so there's some guys who can help us in the 4th.

Chocolate Hog
04-27-2012, 08:58 PM
There is still guy jr. on the board...who else?

I used to like Sean Jones and he played for Romeo. He is still out there, too.

Same for Matt Roth.

I like Dye from UCLA great athlete but injury prone.

jd1020
04-27-2012, 08:59 PM
Kelcie McCray

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 08:59 PM
It's not a bad pick, per se.

My initial disappointment was mainly because we're stocking the trenches when we have gaping holes elsewhere.

Anyway, I get it. But we better coach the shit out of this mother****er.

The biggest need on this team, in my opinion, outside of QB was O-line depth and safety depth. We probably helped one of those problems. Exponentially.

Don't you remember there were 2 or 3 games the past few years where Albert limped off the field, and your first thought was... shit, we LITERALLY have no left tackles on the bench.

ILChief
04-27-2012, 08:59 PM
That's interesting, considering I just read this on the same site:

Must have been two different people doing the grading

chiefs1111
04-27-2012, 08:59 PM
What time does the draft start tomorrow?

Noon est

Dylan
04-27-2012, 09:00 PM
Nice pick by Giants - Jayron Hosley

DaKCMan, do you think he is worth the pick? i read he failed a drug test - could be wrong.

thanks

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-27-2012, 09:00 PM
That's interesting, considering I just read this on the same site:

I think he's citing Mayock's grades. Of course you are going to get varying opinions at this stage.

ILChief
04-27-2012, 09:00 PM
Noon est

Thanks

ChiefMojo
04-27-2012, 09:00 PM
58, Do you just pick and choose whatever is the sh*test report and go with that? Of course you do, that is your style. That is a OLD report, look around everything is 3rd/4th round grades. But you can keep crying, we know you will. F**cking pussy!!!

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2012, 09:00 PM
DaKCMan, do you think he is worth the pick? i read he failed a drug test - could be wrong.

thanks

He's a talented corner. Good value at the bottom of rd 3.

AustinChief
04-27-2012, 09:01 PM
uh oh Gruden just called the Chiefs his sleeper team this year.

BossChief
04-27-2012, 09:01 PM
It's not a bad pick, per se.

My initial disappointment was mainly because we're stocking the trenches when we have gaping holes elsewhere.

Anyway, I get it. But we better coach the shit out of this motherfucker.

Besides safety and maybe depth at linebacker, where are these "gaping holes"?

Dylan
04-27-2012, 09:02 PM
He's a talented corner. Good value at the bottom of rd 3.

thanks for the feedback.

the Talking Can
04-27-2012, 09:02 PM
The #1 requirement for a Nose Tackle is that you have the physical ability to play. You have to be big, strong, and have endurance. Poe has all those things. Those are uncoachable.

His biggest problems are coachable. It's absolutely worth the risk to see if coaching those things up can fix him. It's definitely boom bust. He plays way too often with his pads up, which means that he easily gets stood up. Yes, it absolutely matters that he plays positions outside of the 0-technique because they asked the guy to stunt and penetrate, which seems crazy to me. And he uses his hands horrendously. Guess what. The Chiefs have been absolutely phenomenal at coaching their linemen to use their hands and it's led to wildly improved results.

I think people bitching about Poe are bitching for the sake of bitching. He was a very risky pick. But don't act like coaching him to consistently keep his pads low and to use his hands better isn't going to give him potential to be a much better player.

people bitching about poe are bitching about the fact that he did literally nothing in college and is a complete workout warrior taken at #11....that is the truth, you kissing pioli's ass doesn't change it

but you fucking sunshine pumpers can't stand that someone has an opinion that contradicts Pioli's....why? i have no fucking clue, but you guys show up like clockwork to simply clap loudly no matter what we do

KevB
04-27-2012, 09:02 PM
Still some good guys out there....

Lamar Miller
Boykin
Orson Charles
Joe Adams
Josh Norman
Chris Givens
Allen and Iloka at safety
Dennard

Bambi
04-27-2012, 09:03 PM
Who did we draft beSides Poe?

the Talking Can
04-27-2012, 09:03 PM
way to go oakland

ChiefMojo
04-27-2012, 09:04 PM
Well if we would have picked the same guys the Steelers or Ravens did, you would have pissed and moaned Pioli picked them to Talking Can but don't let that get in away of your crying... your as much of a f**king pussy as 58 sometimes.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-27-2012, 09:05 PM
Who did we draft beSides Poe?

Allen and Stephenson. Probable starting LG and a swing tackle/possible future starter at LT if Albert walks.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2012, 09:06 PM
Besides safety and maybe depth at linebacker, where are these "gaping holes"?

Maybe LB?

We have nothing behind our 4 starters. Nothing.

Safety is a given.

CB isn't nearly the strength it used to be.

We have two glass vaginas at TE.

We're super-thin at RB, not knowing how JC will bounce back.

Face it, we really don't have depth at any position beside WR - and even that is thin if we're seriously thinking of letting Bowe walk.

Ceej
04-27-2012, 09:08 PM
That Bergstrom guy Oakland drafted looks like he will be easy to hate.


Cool Mohawk, bro.

Bambi
04-27-2012, 09:09 PM
people bitching about poe are bitching about the fact that he did literally nothing in college and is a complete workout warrior taken at #11....that is the truth, you kissing pioli's ass doesn't change it

but you ****ing sunshine pumpers can't stand that someone has an opinion that contradicts Pioli's....why? i have no ****ing clue, but you guys show up like clockwork to simply clap loudly no matter what we do

Who cares? It doesn't matter. The draft is a crap shoot. That dude Poe will either be good or he won't.

just look at BJ Raji. One year he's good, one year he sucks. You guys spend way too much time worrying about this shit.

ILChief
04-27-2012, 09:10 PM
Maybe LB?

We have nothing behind our 4 starters. Nothing.

Safety is a given.

CB isn't nearly the strength it used to be.

We have two glass vaginas at TE.

We're super-thin at RB, not knowing how JC will bounce back.

Face it, we really don't have depth at any position beside WR - and even that is thin if we're seriously thinking of letting Bowe walk.

Siler and Studebaker aren't awful depth. Hillis is a good running back with some mcnugget mixed in

KevB
04-27-2012, 09:10 PM
Maybe LB?

We have nothing behind our 4 starters. Nothing.



Siler should be decent depth inside and perhaps they're expecting Sheffied to bounce back this season?

I'm with you on needing safety/RB/TE depth.

Let's not forget, this isn't our last chance to add depth. There will be vets available between now and the beginning of the season.

Ceej
04-27-2012, 09:10 PM
The big question regarding this draft is:


How is our punter and kicker depth??

ILChief
04-27-2012, 09:10 PM
Siler should be decent depth inside and perhaps they're expecting Sheffied to bounce back this season?

I'm with you on needing safety/RB/TE depth.

Let's not forget, this isn't our last chance to add depth. There will be vets available between now and the beginning of the season.

I forgot about Sheffield

jd1020
04-27-2012, 09:11 PM
I'd like to see:

James-Michael Johnson/Tank Carder/Jerry Franklin, ILB
Aaron Henry/Kelcie McCray/Christian Thompson/Sean Richardson, S
Lamar Miller/Tauren Poole, RB

Whatever with the other 2.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-27-2012, 09:11 PM
I must be missing all these teams that are stocked deep at every position with super stud reserves.

KevB
04-27-2012, 09:11 PM
The big question regarding this draft is:


How is our punter and kicker depth??

And Titus won't be happy if we don't take a fullback at some point.

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 09:12 PM
people bitching about poe are bitching about the fact that he did literally nothing in college and is a complete workout warrior taken at #11....that is the truth, you kissing pioli's ass doesn't change it

but you ****ing sunshine pumpers can't stand that someone has an opinion that contradicts Pioli's....why? i have no ****ing clue, but you guys show up like clockwork to simply clap loudly no matter what we do

People are bitching for the sake of bitching. You were going off on a tirade about drafting Poe because... for some weird reason, this had something to do with the Chiefs' inability to get a QB. Don't be ridiculous. And the same people bitching about drafting a boom/bust pick like Poe are the same people bitching that we're playing it safe with other picks like depth o-linemen.

I've been as critical of anybody of Pioli not drafting a QB. I've openly said I thought Romeo and Daboll were moronic hires. I was Pioli's biggest critic for firing Haley and "Gumgate." I think Pioli is a solid GM whose arrogance has kept him from making the most crucial moves that would fix the franchise. I think it's comical that anyone who irrationally slams the Poe pick is an ass-kisser.

I'm pointing out some critical flaws that are extremely, extremely coachable. And I'm saying given his physical talents, it's worth seeing if changing those things change the player. It's no small deal that he plays with his pads low and is horrendous using his hands. You do realize that the Nose Tackle position is almost entirely about leverage and the ability to use your arms/hands to disengage blockers, right? You asked why he sucked and that's a very possible, strong explanation for it.

the Talking Can
04-27-2012, 09:13 PM
Who cares? It doesn't matter. The draft is a crap shoot. That dude Poe will either be good or he won't.

just look at BJ Raji. One year he's good, one year he sucks. You guys spend way too much time worrying about this shit.

no one gives a shit

Ceej
04-27-2012, 09:14 PM
And Titus won't be happy if we don't take a fullback at some point.

Good point. You can never have enough team captains and guys who fit into the "right 53" mold.

Blick
04-27-2012, 09:15 PM
I must be missing all these teams that are stocked deep at every position with super stud reserves.

This.

Lots of dumbassery in this thread. Not surprised. Well, kind of, considering some of the sources.

milkman
04-27-2012, 09:17 PM
People are bitching for the sake of bitching. You were going off on a tirade about drafting Poe because... for some weird reason, this had something to do with the Chiefs' inability to get a QB. Don't be ridiculous. And the same people bitching about drafting a boom/bust pick like Poe are the same people bitching that we're playing it safe with other picks like depth o-linemen.

I've been as critical of anybody of Pioli not drafting a QB. I've openly said I thought Romeo and Daboll were moronic hires. I was Pioli's biggest critic for firing Haley and "Gumgate." I think Pioli is a solid GM whose arrogance has kept him from making the most crucial moves that would fix the franchise. I think it's comical that anyone who irrationally slams the Poe pick is an ass-kisser.

I'm pointing out some critical flaws that are extremely, extremely coachable. And I'm saying given his physical talents, it's worth seeing if changing those things change the player. It's no small deal that he plays with his pads low and is horrendous using his hands. You do realize that the Nose Tackle position is almost entirely about leverage and the ability to use your arms/hands to disengage blockers, right? You asked why he sucked and that's a very possible, strong explanation for it.

The problem is a disconnect.

You can not begin to grasp the argument about QB he presented as it relates to Poe.

Count Zarth
04-27-2012, 09:17 PM
uh oh Gruden just called the Chiefs his sleeper team this year.

He called Cassel "a winner"

milkman
04-27-2012, 09:19 PM
He called Cassel "a winner"

That guy needs to stay in broadcasting.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 09:20 PM
Maybe LB?

We have nothing behind our 4 starters. Nothing.

Safety is a given.

CB isn't nearly the strength it used to be.

We have two glass vaginas at TE.

We're super-thin at RB, not knowing how JC will bounce back.

Face it, we really don't have depth at any position beside WR - and even that is thin if we're seriously thinking of letting Bowe walk.

The problems you're describing fit like 90% of the teams in this league.

Bewbies
04-27-2012, 09:23 PM
We need all the stuff we drafted, but damn it's boring as shit to watch.

Can we just trade our last picks for a #1 next year?

the Talking Can
04-27-2012, 09:23 PM
People are bitching for the sake of bitching. You were going off on a tirade about drafting Poe because... for some weird reason, this had something to do with the Chiefs' inability to get a QB. Don't be ridiculous. And the same people bitching about drafting a boom/bust pick like Poe are the same people bitching that we're playing it safe with other picks like depth o-linemen.

I've been as critical of anybody of Pioli not drafting a QB. I've openly said I thought Romeo and Daboll were moronic hires. I was Pioli's biggest critic for firing Haley and "Gumgate." I think Pioli is a solid GM whose arrogance has kept him from making the most crucial moves that would fix the franchise. I think it's comical that anyone who irrationally slams the Poe pick is an ass-kisser.

I'm pointing out some critical flaws that are extremely, extremely coachable. And I'm saying given his physical talents, it's worth seeing if changing those things change the player. It's no small deal that he plays with his pads low and is horrendous using his hands. You do realize that the Nose Tackle position is almost entirely about leverage and the ability to use your arms/hands to disengage blockers, right? You asked why he sucked and that's a very possible, strong explanation for it.

pointing out that poe did nothing in college and is a workout warrior is simply pointing out a fact

but you can't deal with that fact...hence you whine and cry about various strawmen

and if you can't understand my simple explanation about the hypocrisy of 'it's too risky!!' fanbois claiming to love a risky pick like poe at #11, then you're just dense..

drafting a QB is risky, can't do it ever
drafting a player who did literally nothing in college at #11 is not risky...it's bold and smart

this what you sunshine pumpers believe

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 09:30 PM
The problem is a disconnect.

You can not begin to grasp the argument about QB he presented as it relates to Poe.

I can't grasp it because it's an absolutely retarded argument.

The Chiefs haven't taken a risk on a QB. Agreed. They also haven't taken a risk on a Nose Tackle. Guess what? They did. And now we're bitching about it. And it's not because we passed up taking a risk on a QB. There was no QB we should have taken given what it would have taken to get one.

Talking can is pissed about the Poe pick and he's trying to bait people into where he is because he's pissed about the QB decision and he knows that bitching about Cassel is a convenient way to throw the bait. And then he's acting like people who support the pick are somehow also supportive of the QB decision. They're two completely separate arguments. I'm okay with the Nose Tackle pick and pissed at the way they've handled the QB situation the last 4 years.

Dylan
04-27-2012, 09:32 PM
I don't like to get involved in your business - But, I remember the Chiefs were rotating the line and linebackers -- you have excellent linebackers - so you have depth. The nose tackle was addressed in the draft -

I really like your defense.

j/m/o

chop
04-27-2012, 09:32 PM
I forgot about Sheffield

I still haven't seen Gabe Miller play yet. I'm not sure how he is going to do with the switch to LB.

DTLB58
04-27-2012, 09:35 PM
RT @McClain_on_NFL: Confirmed the Texans are talking to teams about trading WR Jacoby Jones if they believe they can get a good deal.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 09:37 PM
I can't grasp it because it's an absolutely retarded argument.

The Chiefs haven't taken a risk on a QB. Agreed. They also haven't taken a risk on a Nose Tackle. Guess what? They did. And now we're bitching about it. And it's not because we passed up taking a risk on a QB. There was no QB we should have taken given what it would have taken to get one.

Talking can is pissed about the Poe pick and he's trying to bait people into where he is because he's pissed about the QB decision and he knows that bitching about Cassel is a convenient way to throw the bait. And then he's acting like people who support the pick are somehow also supportive of the QB decision. They're two completely separate arguments. I'm okay with the Nose Tackle pick and pissed at the way they've handled the QB situation the last 4 years.

We are of the same mind.

Rep.

Frosty
04-27-2012, 09:37 PM
I still haven't seen Gabe Miller play yet. I'm not sure how he is going to do with the switch to LB.

He was showing some flashes in the preseason before his "injury".

milkman
04-27-2012, 09:37 PM
I can't grasp it because it's an absolutely retarded argument.

The Chiefs haven't taken a risk on a QB. Agreed. They also haven't taken a risk on a Nose Tackle. Guess what? They did. And now we're bitching about it. And it's not because we passed up taking a risk on a QB. There was no QB we should have taken given what it would have taken to get one.

Talking can is pissed about the Poe pick and he's trying to bait people into where he is because he's pissed about the QB decision and he knows that bitching about Cassel is a convenient way to throw the bait. And then he's acting like people who support the pick are somehow also supportive of the QB decision. They're two completely separate arguments. I'm okay with the Nose Tackle pick and pissed at the way they've handled the QB situation the last 4 years.

To move up and take a risk on Tannehill would have cost the Chiefs, at worst, Poe and Allen.

I would gladly have taken that risk.

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 09:37 PM
pointing out that poe did nothing in college and is a workout warrior is simply pointing out a fact

but you can't deal with that fact...hence you whine and cry about various strawmen

and if you can't understand my simple explanation about the hypocrisy of 'it's too risky!!' fanbois claiming to love a risky pick like poe at #11, then you're just dense..

drafting a QB is risky, can't do it ever
drafting a player who did literally nothing in college at #11 is not risky...it's bold and smart

this what you sunshine pumpers believe

How have I not dealt with the fact? I said he's a boom/bust prospect. I've acknowledged the guy wasn't good in college. But you keep asking how a guy does that poorly in a bad conference, and I've answered with a credible explanation. A bazillion times.

And I've also said a million times, as has everybody else, that it was either we took a swing at a boom/bust guy at an ultra-critical position, or accept the alternative of taking a safe pick at Guard.

You're so pissed that the Chiefs don't take a risk on a QB, and yet you're the loudest on this board about how the Chiefs threw the pick away because they took a risk on an upside Nose Tackle. Which is it?

Coogs
04-27-2012, 09:39 PM
We need all the stuff we drafted, but damn it's boring as shit to watch.

This. 3 pretty good picks really. But just not flashy at all. But if they all do thier jobs, we already have the flash on our team... especcially if Stanzi pans out.

Boring this year. But at least next year we shouldn't have to see mock draft after mock draft trying to project a T to us in the 1st round.

Bewbies
04-27-2012, 09:41 PM
This. 3 pretty good picks really. But just not flashy at all. But if they all do thier jobs, we already have the flash on our team... especcially if Stanzi pans out.

Boring this year. But at least next year we shouldn't have to see mock draft after mock draft trying to project a T to us in the 1st round.

Tackles are overrated. We will have G's that were the focal point of their college offense mocked to us.

Bewbies
04-27-2012, 09:42 PM
If Poe works out Pioli looks pretty smart. And then you see Cassel snap the ball and realize you thought wrong.

milkman
04-27-2012, 09:43 PM
And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the fuck up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

Fruit Ninja
04-27-2012, 09:44 PM
This. 3 pretty good picks really. But just not flashy at all. But if they all do thier jobs, we already have the flash on our team... especcially if Stanzi pans out.

Boring this year. But at least next year we shouldn't have to see mock draft after mock draft trying to project a T to us in the 1st round.

We need Cassel to go down early then. I dont want to see another man hurt, but shit, what other choice we got as fans. We know Cassel cant lead a team to win in the play offs.

Were just fucked because our GM thinks cassel is half decent. :(

Bewbies
04-27-2012, 09:46 PM
And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the **** up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

:thumb:

Poe and Tannehill are pretty much the same thing on the most important position on either side of the ball. I would have preferred the risk at QB, but I don't get paid $5,000,000/yr to make that call.

keg in kc
04-27-2012, 09:46 PM
This. 3 pretty good picks really. But just not flashy at all. But if they all do thier jobs, we already have the flash on our team... especcially if Stanzi pans out.

Boring this year. But at least next year we shouldn't have to see mock draft after mock draft trying to project a T to us in the 1st round.Stanzi "panning out" means he's good enough to be a backup for a few years, instead of being released after 2013. We still need a starter.

Frosty
04-27-2012, 09:47 PM
To move up and take a risk on Tannehill would have cost the Chiefs, at worst, Poe and Allen.

I would gladly have taken that risk.

And there are still people like Ta'amu and Chapman on the board for a NT and Matt Reynolds, Molk and Jones for o-line depth.

Bewbies
04-27-2012, 09:48 PM
If Poe turned into Wilfork and Stanzi turned into Tom Brady we'd be set. That's playing the odds. LMAO

morphius
04-27-2012, 09:50 PM
And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the fuck up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.
The argument is flawed, a failed first round QB will set a team back further than a miss at any other position.

Bewbies
04-27-2012, 09:52 PM
The argument is flawed, a failed first round QB will set a team back further than a miss at any other position.

So is the idea that KC can be "set back" from where they are.

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 09:52 PM
And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the **** up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

TC absolutely hates the Poe pick and it's because of his lack of performance on the college field. He hasn't hid that at all. He's been the most critical of the pick all day. Even saying the Chiefs made the pick purely to fill a need. Never suggesting that maybe they took a risk because they wanted to take a chance on a guy who could fill an important position, instead of laying up on a Guard. There is no way you can suggest that he's just being sarcastic.

And that's absolutely hypocritical if he's going to rail the Chiefs for taking a risk on a nose tackle, when he's at the same time promoting that the Chiefs need to take a risk on a QB. It's a convenient way to bait people into hating the Poe pick.

Sannyasi
04-27-2012, 09:56 PM
And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the **** up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

Minus a few trolls, everyone on this board wants us to draft a QB. This isn't 2009.

milkman
04-27-2012, 09:57 PM
The argument is flawed, a failed first round QB will set a team back further than a miss at any other position.

That was true before this new CBA.

Not any longer.

Fruit Ninja
04-27-2012, 09:58 PM
The argument is flawed, a failed first round QB will set a team back further than a miss at any other position.

this team been set back 42 years. lol What else can happen 45?

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 10:00 PM
:thumb:

Poe and Tannehill are pretty much the same thing on the most important position on either side of the ball. I would have preferred the risk at QB, but I don't get paid $5,000,000/yr to make that call.

The reason I am not gung ho at all about Tannehill has nothing to do with risk. It's that I think he's a safe pick. Safe in that he probably won't suck, but he just doesn't have a very high ceiling. If he's great, as milkman said his upside is Rich Gannon. And that's an "if." Poe is a bigger boom/bust guy than Tannehill. Because his ceiling could be something really special, but he also has the potential to fall really, really hard on his face. I like the Poe pick better than a Tannehill pick because if I can't get a sure thing at a position that critical, I'd rather swing for the fences and miss than swing for singles and connect.

The other important thing to consider is, the risk of failure is significantly smaller in Poe's case than Tannehill's. If Tannehill is an okay QB, that's a massive waste of a pick and three years. If Poe is an okay NT, that's not a terrible pick.

But in either case... the Chiefs needed to take a big stab at both Nose Tackle or QB. They chose one over the other. We can't criticize the risk taken on a nose tackle and use that as an argument to justify not taking a risk on a QB.

morphius
04-27-2012, 10:01 PM
That was true before this new CBA.

Not any longer.
I don't believe it has changed. Yes they are cheaper, but teams will still give them longer at the position to try to learn it because the GM often gets tied to the pick. And you can only cover up their play so much because they touch the ball on every single offensive play.

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 10:04 PM
QB
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi

RB
Jamaal Charles
Peyton Hillis
Dexter McCluster
Shaun Draughn

FB
Shane Bannon

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Steve Breaston
Jonathan Baldwin
Devon Wylie
Terrance Copper
Jeremy Horne
Zeke Markshausen
Jamar Newsome

TE
Tony Moeaki
Kevin Boss
Steve Maneri
Kevin O'Connell

OT
Brandon Albert
Eric Winston
Donald Stephenson
David Mims

OG
Jon Asamoah
Ryan Lilja
Jeff Allen

C
Rodney Hudson
Darryl Harris
Rob Bruggeman

NT
Dontari Poe
Amon Gordon
Jerrell Powe
Anthony Toribio

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Tyson Jackson
Allen Bailey
Brandon Bair
Luke Patterson

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Cameron Sheffield
Andy Studebaker
Gabe Miller

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Jovan Belcher
Brandon Siler
Cory Greenwood
Caleb Campbell

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt
Javier Arenas
Travis Daniels
Jalil Brown
Jacques Reeves

S
Eric Berry
Kendrick Lewis
DaQuan Menzie
Kyle McCarthy
Donald Washington
Mikail Baker

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
Thomas Gafford

morphius
04-27-2012, 10:07 PM
this team been set back 42 years. lol What else can happen 45?
If I had seen anything outside of athletic out of Tannehill I would have been all for picking him. But there really wasn't anything I saw out of his play that would make me want him on my team.

morphius
04-27-2012, 10:09 PM
Please explain what Wash traded for RG3, if the CBA doesn;rmatter now.
The point about the CBA is that you are no longer taking the financial risk you used to for an early round pick, so teams like Washington can make that can of trade now.

Fruit Ninja
04-27-2012, 10:09 PM
If I had seen anything outside of athletic out of Tannehill I would have been all for picking him. But there really wasn't anything I saw out of his play that would make me want him on my team.

Tannehill doesnt even MATTER anymore, we didnt pass on him, he wasnt there when we picked. In the end we still have Matt ****ing Cassel.

Im to the point where, I'd rather give Brady Quinn a shot over Matt Cassel. I freaking despise him, big time as a qb for the Chiefs. Like almost Raider hate.

Stanley Nickels
04-27-2012, 10:10 PM
The Draft Avengers is the lamest ****ing thing. Ever.

morphius
04-27-2012, 10:11 PM
Tannehill doesnt even MATTER anymore, we didnt pass on him, he wasnt there when we picked. In the end we still have Matt ****ing Cassel.

Im to the point where, I'd rather give Brady Quinn a shot over Matt Cassel. I freaking despise him, big time as a qb for the Chiefs. Like almost Raider hate.
Oh, I'm with you there, though I rather skip to Stanzi.

Bewbies
04-27-2012, 10:13 PM
Oh, I'm with you there, though I rather skip to Stanzi.

Me too. If all these o-line picks are protectors for Stanzi I love em. If they're protecting Cassel they were terrible picks. :evil:

milkman
04-27-2012, 10:15 PM
TC absolutely hates the Poe pick and it's because of his lack of performance on the college field. He hasn't hid that at all. He's been the most critical of the pick all day. Even saying the Chiefs made the pick purely to fill a need. Never suggesting that maybe they took a risk because they wanted to take a chance on a guy who could fill an important position, instead of laying up on a Guard. There is no way you can suggest that he's just being sarcastic.

And that's absolutely hypocritical if he's going to rail the Chiefs for taking a risk on a nose tackle, when he's at the same time promoting that the Chiefs need to take a risk on a QB. It's a convenient way to bait people into hating the Poe pick.

No question TC hates the pick, but he isn't going to bait anyone else into hating it.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

milkman
04-27-2012, 10:16 PM
Minus a few trolls, everyone on this board wants us to draft a QB. This isn't 2009.

And yet, every QB we have any shot at drafting is not worth the risk to almost everyone on this forum.

milkman
04-27-2012, 10:18 PM
I don't believe it has changed. Yes they are cheaper, but teams will still give them longer at the position to try to learn it because the GM often gets tied to the pick. And you can only cover up their play so much because they touch the ball on every single offensive play.

Really?

How many years did we give Ryan Sims.

First round picks, regardless of position are going to get a minimum of 3 years.

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 10:26 PM
And yet, every QB we have any shot at drafting is not worth the risk to almost everyone on this forum.

It depends on how you define risk.

Is "risk" talking about desperately settling for a QB because he's safe, even if he doesn't have tremendous upside? To me, risk is gambling to trade up aggressively for the right QB--I think the Chiefs should have tried and I'm disappointed that they didn't, but in the end, the compensation was WAY too high if the Chiefs wanted to match. [correction: I'm talking about RGIII here, not Tannehill] To me, risk is gambling on a QB with tremendous skill sets that lead you to believe he could be a franchise QB, even if he has some major flaw in the game that gives him major downside risk.

Tannehill doesn't feel that way whatsoever. People want to say we'd be taking a chance on a QB, but deep inside, we know he feels more safe than risky. Nobody really think he's going to suck. But we think there's a good likelihood he'll be better than Cassel. Yet, there doesn't seem to be many people here that have the thought in the back of his mind that this kid has a chance to be something special. More like the kid has a good chance of not sucking.

milkman
04-27-2012, 10:30 PM
It depends on how you define risk.

Is "risk" talking about desperately settling for a QB because he's safe, even if he doesn't have tremendous upside? To me, risk is gambling to trade up aggressively for the right QB--I think the Chiefs should have tried and I'm disappointed that they didn't, but in the end, the compensation was WAY too high if the Chiefs wanted to match. To me, risk is gambling on a QB with tremendous skill sets that lead you to believe he could be a franchise QB, even if he has some major flaw in the game that gives him major downside risk.

Tannehill doesn't feel that way whatsoever. People want to say we'd be taking a chance on a QB, but deep inside, we know he feels more safe than risky. Nobody really think he's going to suck. But we think there's a good likelihood he'll be better than Cassel. Yet, there doesn't seem to be many people here that have the thought in the back of his mind that this kid has a chance to be something special. More like the kid has a good chance of not sucking.

That all has the sound of pure utter bullshit to me.

But then that's how all your bullshit arguments ever are.

I've said a number of times that I like Tannehill's upside more than I like Barkley's.

I think the kid has the tools to be special, from arm strength, to athletic ability, to intelligenc.

You just keep making long winded bullshit arguments, because you're trying bait everyone into thinking just like you.

You're a bullshit artist.

mdchiefsfan
04-27-2012, 10:50 PM
Siler and Studebaker aren't awful depth. Hillis is a good running back with some mcnugget mixed in

Plus Greenwood

BossChief
04-27-2012, 10:59 PM
THE BIGGEST "RISK" A TEAM CAN TAKE IS TRYING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT A FIRST ROUND QUARTERBACK.

mdchiefsfan
04-27-2012, 11:02 PM
THE BIGGEST "RISK" A TEAM CAN TAKE IS TRYING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT A FIRST ROUND QUARTERBACK.

I think the biggest risk a team can make is to draft 2nd round qb in the 1st and hope he plays out like a 1st round qb

BossChief
04-27-2012, 11:19 PM
I haven't even tried to read everything in here, but have Romeo Crennels comments to Poe on the phone been posted?

"I'm gonna expect you to compete and play all three downs"

Direckshun
04-27-2012, 11:38 PM
Alright, it's past midnight, and I'm a bit drunk. So I may just be slipping into homer mode.

But at best, we might have landed a full time nose, a full time left guard, and a new left tackle. In three fucking picks, that's outstanding.

The worst case scenario while remaining reasonable: we get a huge, athletic defensive end to replace Dorsey, a full time left guard, and an effective swing tackle.

That could be an effective draft.

I could be happy with it.

Hard to say, though.

BossChief
04-27-2012, 11:52 PM
I don't mind the picks.

They aren't the picks I would have made, but all three seem to have very very high ceilings.

Our offensive line went from not having any depth to being deep and talented across the board...while also being extremely young with seemingly unlimited potential.

If we get a safety, inside linebacker and another end that can play, all we need is for Cassel to get killed in a car accident and we are going to some really big games with this squad.

mdchiefsfan
04-27-2012, 11:59 PM
Alright, it's past midnight, and I'm a bit drunk. So I may just be slipping into homer mode.

But at best, we might have landed a full time nose, a full time left guard, and a new left tackle. In three ****ing picks, that's outstanding.

The worst case scenario while remaining reasonable: we get a huge, athletic defensive end to replace Dorsey, a full time left guard, and an effective swing tackle.

That could be an effective draft.

I could be happy with it.

Hard to say, though.
I'm pretty drink myself, but replacing Gregg, Lilja, and demoting Maneri/ Colin Brown is a damn good start to our draft

EPodolak
04-28-2012, 12:11 AM
Round 3 over, and we've drafted 967 lbs. Still not a big enough shadow there to eclipse the QB weakness.

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2012, 12:16 AM
That all has the sound of pure utter bullshit to me.

But then that's how all your bullshit arguments ever are.

I've said a number of times that I like Tannehill's upside more than I like Barkley's.

I think the kid has the tools to be special, from arm strength, to athletic ability, to intelligenc.

You just keep making long winded bullshit arguments, because you're trying bait everyone into thinking just like you.

You're a bullshit artist.

You and Boss have been touting that he can be special but that's not everybody's sentiment. Most people are endorsing Tannehill because we need to take a chance on a first round QB and because he's not Cassel. No mention of whether he can be special. It's not risk averse if there are some, like myself, who want to be aggressive about getting a QB... only if it's the right QB. To me, it's risk averse that so many people want to take a QB simply because he's there, not because they're excited about him.

And that's why I'm okay with the Poe pick. That's a risky pick if there ever was one. I think most people agree that this is a pure boom/bust pick. He's probably going to either play extremely well or he's going to crash really badly. The Tannehill pick... yes, my personal opinion that Tannehill in relation to NFL QBs has an average skill set --his floor isn't bad, but his ceiling isn't impressive. Just a personal opinion. I'm not risk averse. I'm picky.

Either way, talking can's insistence that Poe was a needs based pick and not one made on a risky dare... just silly. Claiming those who support the Poe pick because it was risky are Pioli shills, then saying those who don't support risky moves for QBs are Pioli shills... contradictory.

keg in kc
04-28-2012, 12:26 AM
Something tells me I'm not going to be awake at 9 when it kicks off again.

Urc Burry
04-28-2012, 12:31 AM
I don't mind the picks.

They aren't the picks I would have made, but all three seem to have very very high ceilings.

Our offensive line went from not having any depth to being deep and talented across the board...while also being extremely young with seemingly unlimited potential.

If we get a safety, inside linebacker and another end that can play, all we need is for Cassel to get killed in a car accident and we are going to some really big games with this squad.

I agree. NT and guard in the 1st two rounds was a must, even if Poe is questionable. I personally would of waited on a backup T, but if these analysts really think he can be a Franchise LT down the road it is hard to be against it.

In the 4th i'm looking for a RB with Turbin and Lamar Miller still on the board or a safety in Iloka.

mdchiefsfan
04-28-2012, 12:40 AM
Something tells me I'm not going to be awake at 9 when it kicks off again.

Hear hear!!

Frosty
04-28-2012, 12:58 AM
Something tells me I'm not going to be awake at 9 when it kicks off again.

9? It starts at 9 for me (pacific time) but I thought it was 11 for you (central)?

Count Zarth
04-28-2012, 01:41 AM
If we get a safety, inside linebacker and another end that can play, all we need is for Cassel to get killed in a car accident and we are going to some really big games with this squad.

That's bullshit man.

Cassel can merely shatter both fibulas.

Fairplay
04-28-2012, 02:35 AM
Something tells me I'm not going to be awake at 9 when it kicks off again.




Whoever the Chiefs pick we will all be in frantic google mode to learn who the heck is this guy we just drafted is now, heh. I will say pick 2 and 3 had most of us scratching our heads for a moment.

I'm good with our picks though after the dust settled. We knew we needed help on both sides of the line. Especially a run stuffer in the middle on defense.
Offensive linemen take longer to develop in the NFL. We should have addressed this much needed personnel in earlier drafts. As Lenny would say the war begins in the trenches. I want our offensive line to physically push their line back noticeably on running plays, wear them down.

Back in the Vermeil days we kicked butt on o-line. Roaf, Waters, Shields and Wiegmann i loved it. Plus they made massive holes for Priest to run through like a hot knife through butter.
Our defense sucked though but that's another story. lol

Chocolate Hog
04-28-2012, 02:49 AM
Alright, it's past midnight, and I'm a bit drunk. So I may just be slipping into homer mode.

But at best, we might have landed a full time nose, a full time left guard, and a new left tackle. In three ****ing picks, that's outstanding.

The worst case scenario while remaining reasonable: we get a huge, athletic defensive end to replace Dorsey, a full time left guard, and an effective swing tackle.

That could be an effective draft.

I could be happy with it.

Hard to say, though.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/33ucwi8.jpg

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 03:28 AM
You and Boss have been touting that he can be special but that's not everybody's sentiment. Most people are endorsing Tannehill because we need to take a chance on a first round QB and because he's not Cassel. No mention of whether he can be special. It's not risk averse if there are some, like myself, who want to be aggressive about getting a QB... only if it's the right QB. To me, it's risk averse that so many people want to take a QB simply because he's there, not because they're excited about him.

And that's why I'm okay with the Poe pick. That's a risky pick if there ever was one. I think most people agree that this is a pure boom/bust pick. He's probably going to either play extremely well or he's going to crash really badly. The Tannehill pick... yes, my personal opinion that Tannehill in relation to NFL QBs has an average skill set --his floor isn't bad, but his ceiling isn't impressive. Just a personal opinion. I'm not risk averse. I'm picky.

Either way, talking can's insistence that Poe was a needs based pick and not one made on a risky dare... just silly. Claiming those who support the Poe pick because it was risky are Pioli shills, then saying those who don't support risky moves for QBs are Pioli shills... contradictory.

poe was absolutely a need pick....jesus christ, they don't draft him otherwise

but that fact doesn't even matter

we can take risks....for a NT...and people celebrate and rationalize it

but we can't takes risks....for a QB that is 10000000000000x more important than NT

and pioli is a genious for both, amazingly

i don't ever want to hear the word 'risky' coming from this board's sad ass true fans as a pejorative after we just drafted a guy who produced nothing in college...nothing

don't want to hear that QB X is 'risky' because he only played 2 years, or is only awesome and not super awesome, or is 'raw'...lol....Poe is less developed, less accomplished, less coached, more raw than anyone we've ever hoped to draft at QB...by a god damn mile

keg in kc
04-28-2012, 04:22 AM
poe was absolutely a need pick....jesus christ, they don't draft him otherwise

but that fact doesn't even matter

we can take risks....for a NT...and people celebrate and rationalize it

but we can't takes risks....for a QB that is 10000000000000x more important than NT

and pioli is a genious for both, amazingly

i don't ever want to hear the word 'risky' coming from this board's sad ass true fans as a pejorative after we just drafted a guy who produced nothing in college...nothing

don't want to hear that QB X is 'risky' because he only played 2 years, or is only awesome and not super awesome, or is 'raw'...lol....Poe is less developed, less accomplished, less coached, more raw than anyone we've ever hoped to draft at QB...by a god damn mileTo quote myself yesterday, me being one of the more vocal people against moving up for Tannehill:This won't be a popular comment, but I see Tannehill as the QB equivalent of Poe. I think I'd have felt exactly the same way had he been picked at 11. Wouldn't have been excited, wouldn't have been disappointed, it would have amounted to taking a big gamble on a major position of need, that's either going to boom gloriously or bust biblically, and I got no idea which way it's going to go.

scho63
04-28-2012, 05:43 AM
Alright, it's past midnight, and I'm a bit drunk. So I may just be slipping into homer mode.

But at best, we might have landed a full time nose, a full time left guard, and a new left tackle. In three ****ing picks, that's outstanding.

The worst case scenario while remaining reasonable: we get a huge, athletic defensive end to replace Dorsey, a full time left guard, and an effective swing tackle.

That could be an effective draft.

I could be happy with it.

Hard to say, though.

Good summation-I'm happy with it unless Poe turns into a slug

RUSH
04-28-2012, 06:11 AM
I don't mind the first two picks.

I can't get on board with the Stephenson pick though. I know Allen was drafted as a guard but for his rookie year, I think he very well could have backed up all the lineman positions outside of center. That's quality depth.

I wish they held off and drafted in the secondary or a running back because depth and players that will need to play this year are crucial.

And once lilja is gone next year you can then draft or sign your swing tackle in free agency.

But they must have really liked the player.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 06:28 AM
Good morning people of Chiefs Planet. 3.5 hours until the draft continues.

Morning run
Banana pancakes
NFL Draft
Heat-Knicks NBA playoffs
Bars

LETS DO THIS!

Stanley Nickels
04-28-2012, 06:31 AM
Wake up
Jerk off
NFL Draft
Jerk off
NFLDraft
Dinner
Beer
Jerk off

LET'S DO THIS! (Ladiessss)

RUSH
04-28-2012, 06:32 AM
Good morning people of Chiefs Planet. 3.5 hours until the draft continues.

Morning run
Banana pancakes
NFL Draft
Heat-Knicks NBA playoffs
Bars

LETS DO THIS!

Go knicks.

Been a while since we matched up. Hoping that bad blood returns. That was great basketball back in the late 90s.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 07:24 AM
Go knicks.

Been a while since we matched up. Hoping that bad blood returns. That was great basketball back in the late 90s.

Hell yes it was. Still remember the pain from Allan Houston's last second jumper that seemed to hit every part of the rim plus the backboard before going in. :cuss:

I loved those Hardaway-Lenard-Mash-PJ-Zo-Majerle-Askins teams and I absolutely hated those Ewing-Houston-Starks-Ward-LJ-Spree-Oakley Knicks teams.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 07:32 AM
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
Free-agent QB Matt Leinart is likely to sign with Raiders this week during visit he has scheduled to Oakland. He would back up Carson Palmer

DTLB58
04-28-2012, 08:07 AM
Among the 90 fans of 24 teams on stage asking @nflcommish questions, 80-year-old James Job, an original @KCChiefs season-ticket holder

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2012, 08:50 AM
poe was absolutely a need pick....jesus christ, they don't draft him otherwise

but that fact doesn't even matter

we can take risks....for a NT...and people celebrate and rationalize it

but we can't takes risks....for a QB that is 10000000000000x more important than NT

and pioli is a genious for both, amazingly

i don't ever want to hear the word 'risky' coming from this board's sad ass true fans as a pejorative after we just drafted a guy who produced nothing in college...nothing

don't want to hear that QB X is 'risky' because he only played 2 years, or is only awesome and not super awesome, or is 'raw'...lol....Poe is less developed, less accomplished, less coached, more raw than anyone we've ever hoped to draft at QB...by a god damn mile

Who even knows what the **** a true fan is anymore. You guys are so liberal in how you use the word. Since when did a true fan become a fan that's willing to take a risk on an impact player?

Your story just spirals out of control. You've made it perfectly clear that you despise the Poe pick because he produced nothing in college (the most vocal on the board about it), and now you're ripping on people who don't like a QB pick because he produced nothing in college. You have implied that Pioli was just laying up and filling a nose tackle spot because it needed to be filled.... never mind that the layup was to draft a Guard like Decastro. Nevermind that aggressively going after Tannehill is ALSO a needs based pick and a much safer pick than Poe, because at least he has some college track record.

You hate the Poe pick. And you hate it because it's risky. And now you're somehow trying to convince people that the reason we should hate this pick too is because we are all risk averse because we won't take a quarterback. Your argument is ridiculous. If you're going to rip on people, rip on the people who are pissed we didn't take Decastro. Don't rip on the people who are happy that Pioli finally stepped out of his safe zone and took a risk for a change.

Frosty
04-28-2012, 09:37 AM
Okay

Took off my grey colored glasses that I put on for the first two rounds and put on my Chiefs red rose colored glasses. Put on my lucky Ted Popson jersey. I'm ready to go.

We are going to have a great finish to the draft today. :thumb:

prhom
04-28-2012, 09:48 AM
Herm just said Josh Norman reminds him of Brandon Carr, any of you guys heard of him? Herm may be a terrible HC, but the man knows DB prospects. Maybe he's a good guy to pick up later on.

Frosty
04-28-2012, 09:51 AM
Herm just said Josh Norman reminds him of Brandon Carr, any of you guys heard of him? Herm may be a terrible HC, but the man knows DB prospects. Maybe he's a good guy to pick up later on.

The guy got a lot of pub during the Senior Bowl. Seems like an intriguing small school guy. He's from the football factory that produced Thiggy! :thumb:

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 10:00 AM
ok, positive thoughts....let's go

Von Dumbass
04-28-2012, 10:01 AM
Chiefs 4th round pick rumor from Cecil Lammey.....

hearing Kirk Cousins will be #chiefs pick if he's on the board in the 4th #nfldraft https://twitter.com/#!/cecillammey/status/196267347579895809

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:02 AM
McShay has Josh Norman as his #4 best available. He also has Tauren Poole at #5 which surprises me. I like Poole a lot but wouldn't rank him that high.

Frosty
04-28-2012, 10:02 AM
Chiefs 4th round pick rumor from Cecil Lammey.....

hearing Kirk Cousins will be #chiefs pick if he's on the board in the 4th #nfldraft https://twitter.com/#!/cecillammey/status/196267347579895809

That would test my rose colored glasses

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:02 AM
George Iloka
Brandon Boykin
Lamar Miller
Antonio Allen
Ronnell Lewis

spanky 52
04-28-2012, 10:03 AM
Boykin could be a steal if he comes back from the post season injury/surgery.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:06 AM
Boykin could be a steal if he comes back from the post season injury/surgery.

Boykin is one of my favorite players in the draft.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:06 AM
Now they're having the telephone reps announce the picks? WTF?

SNR
04-28-2012, 10:06 AM
Who are the best OTs available? Any shot at Massie?

Frosty
04-28-2012, 10:07 AM
Maybe it was just the first one of the day?

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 10:08 AM
dolphins trade up

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:08 AM
Who are the best OTs available? Any shot at Massie?

ROFL

milkman
04-28-2012, 10:08 AM
I bet the Dolphins traded up for a RB.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:08 AM
Miami needs WR here.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Wow. There goes Miller. Good call Milkman.

Frosty
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Maybe it was just the first one of the day?

Guess not

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
miami trades up for miller

good move

Bowser
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Miami needs WR here.

Or Lamar Miller

milkman
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Ha!

spanky 52
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Good call Milk. Good value.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
I just don't get it that much because they have Daniel Thomas and Reggie Bush and Miller doesn't really add anything that one of those guys can't do.

KevB
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
I was hoping for offensive speed in the 4th, and 2 of the guys are gone already

KevB
04-28-2012, 10:10 AM
I just don't get it that much because they have Daniel Thomas and Reggie Bush and Miller doesn't really add anything that one of those guys can't do.

Agreed, I guess they just had him high enough that BPA was the call

DTLB58
04-28-2012, 10:12 AM
I just don't get it that much because they have Daniel Thomas and Reggie Bush and Miller doesn't really add anything that one of those guys can't do.

Yea, maybe the new coach will be willing to trade one of the other guys.

Bowser
04-28-2012, 10:12 AM
Chances Turbin makes it to us, and the chance we take him?

milkman
04-28-2012, 10:13 AM
I just don't get it that much because they have Daniel Thomas and Reggie Bush and Miller doesn't really add anything that one of those guys can't do.

I think that Joe Philbin saw a need, because he saw how little depth at RB hurt the Pack.

This is going to be their Dexter McCluster.

A guy that they can line up in the backfield or split out with Bush in the backfield.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:13 AM
Agreed, I guess they just had him high enough that BPA was the call

I guess. Miller is a speedster who can catch - same as Reggie Bush. Miller's big enough to run inside at 215, but Thomas is a good between the tackle runner.

Miller doesn't add any extra dimension to the offense.

Their WRs are Davone Bess, Brian Hartline, and Legedu Naanee. Who the fuck is Tannehill going to throw to?

Bowser
04-28-2012, 10:14 AM
I guess. Miller is a speedster who can catch - same as Reggie Bush. Miller's big enough to run inside at 215, but Thomas is a good between the tackle runner.

Miller doesn't add any extra dimension to the offense.

Their WRs are Davone Bess, Brian Hartline, and Legedu Naanee. Who the fuck is Tannehill going to throw to?

Miller on the dumpoff when those turds can't get open.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:14 AM
I think that Joe Philbin saw a need, because he saw how little depth at RB hurt the Pack.

This is going to be their Dexter McCluster.

A guy that they can line up in the backfield or split out with Bush in the backfield.

Miller's 5'11" 212 with straight line speed. He's not Dex.

I guess their offense will be 2-TE, 2-RB, 1-WR sets where they just throw swing passes to Bush & Miller.

KevB
04-28-2012, 10:14 AM
I guess. Miller is a speedster who can catch - same as Reggie Bush. Miller's big enough to run inside at 215, but Thomas is a good between the tackle runner.

Miller doesn't add any extra dimension to the offense.

Their WRs are Davone Bess, Brian Hartline, and Legedu Naanee. Who the **** is Tannehill going to throw to?

Would think a McNutt would have been a solid choice for them

Frosty
04-28-2012, 10:15 AM
There goes our back up center

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:15 AM
Miami's draft would look a billion times better if they took Sanu in the 3rd.

KurtCobain
04-28-2012, 10:16 AM
Miller is gone? Damn.

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 10:16 AM
polian looks like he is being held at gun point

milkman
04-28-2012, 10:16 AM
Miller's 5'11" 212 with straight line speed. He's not Dex.

I guess their offense will be 2-TE, 2-RB, 1-WR sets where they just throw swing passes to Bush & Miller.

Split him out and run slants and quick hitters.

spanky 52
04-28-2012, 10:17 AM
Looks like he's constipated.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:17 AM
Maybe Miami will trade for Jacoby Jones, but he doesn't improve their WR corps much if at all, IMO.

Urc Burry
04-28-2012, 10:17 AM
Travis Benjamin over Joe Adams? Hmm

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 10:18 AM
Maybe Miami will trade for Jacoby Jones, but he doesn't improve their WR corps much if at all, IMO.

had that fucker in fantasy, couldn't get shit from him

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 10:19 AM
our biggest need right now is probably safety, but i'm hoping we go Boykin, Adams, or a RB

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 10:20 AM
denver takes a cb

bolden

Setsuna
04-28-2012, 10:20 AM
My troll post of the day to start off. Dolphins will get Deonte Thompson.

Count Zarth
04-28-2012, 10:20 AM
our biggest need right now is probably safety, but i'm hoping we go Boykin, Adams, or a RB

I want us to go RB just so I can stomp on DMC's neck. o:-)

Bowser
04-28-2012, 10:20 AM
our biggest need right now is probably safety, but i'm hoping we go Boykin, Adams, or a RB

Allen, Boykins, or Turbin

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:20 AM
our biggest need right now is probably safety, but i'm hoping we go Boykin, Adams, or a RB

I really like Boykin. I think Antonio Allen is a good SS pick in the 5th.

Hope Cousins goes before our 4th round pick.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:20 AM
My troll post of the day to start off. Dolphins will get Deonte Thompson.

LMAO

Deonte shouldn't even get a UDFA contract.

spanky 52
04-28-2012, 10:21 AM
Maybe take Boykin and move Brown to safety. Gretz had said last fall Brown looked like a safety.

Frosty
04-28-2012, 10:21 AM
Sounds like Denver got a nice pick if he can bounce back from the ACL

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2012, 10:22 AM
Bolden is an interesting prospect if he can shake off the rust.