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qabbaan
04-26-2012, 08:11 PM
Just want to be the one who was right.

Brainiac
04-26-2012, 08:13 PM
Yes, because drafting a guy who scores well at the scouting combine but plays like dog shit in real games always works out so well.

tredadda
04-26-2012, 08:13 PM
He didn't dominate C-USA teams and somehow he will dominate NFL teams? Oh well, what can you do.

Halfcan
04-26-2012, 08:13 PM
He is a Monster!! Has to be better than what we have been used to.

Halfcan
04-26-2012, 08:14 PM
Needs coaching it sounds like to me.

petegz28
04-26-2012, 08:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if you see him moved to DE after Jackson leaves. Either way, we either hit a huge HR or we struck out with bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th

ThatRaceCardGuy
04-26-2012, 08:14 PM
AIDS TREE NOW

Thunder1boss
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
I'm totally hoping it was the lack of coaching...he HAS talent...will he SHOW it??? Maybe he will have a chip on his shoulder...Geez....ALOT of hoping....sigh...C- grade...

Mr_Tomahawk
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
You like Ryan Sims.

qabbaan
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Raw at a position of need on a good defense. He could be effective given his skill set. Too high for him definitely, but he could be a star. He will mesh well with Tyson Jackson.

BigCatDaddy
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if you see him moved to DE after Jackson leaves. Either way, we either hit a huge HR or we struck out with bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th

I agree. He looks like he could be a pretty good 5 tech, but shitty NT from the tape I watched.

Easy 6
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Get ****ed

Thunder1boss
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Agreed. Needs coaching...BAD!

SDKCCHIEFS
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
mayocks the only one that knows what hes talking about. our front 4 will be scary in that subpackage . . i just hope we pick up some kind of linebacker as well.

Thunder1boss
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
You like Ryan Sims.

OMG!!!! PLEASE don't say that...man...you just messed up my dinner...and I haven't eaten yet!

Pablo
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
I'm fine with the pick. I don't know much about the guy, but at least NT is a position of need.

Maybe he'll be a lazy shit stain. Maybe he'll be the anchor for our defense for the next 7-8 years. Here's hoping for the latter.

qabbaan
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
It's our biggest hole other than QB and we can't fix that one here. Poe was picked too high but has plenty of upside.

Bump
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
they did say they went through 3 DC's while he was there. He never got coached and Romeo seems to bring out the best in everyone on defense. So I'm ok with this pick.

Simplicity
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
I WANTED TA'AMU **** THIS...

tredadda
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
Raw at a position of need on a good defense. He could be effective given his skill set. Too high for him definitely, but he could be a star. He will mesh well with Tyson Jackson.

Hell anyone could be a star. Question is was he worth the #11 pick? Is he that much better than whomever we could have had in round 2? We reached for a combine warrior who is all potential and very little production against subpar talent.

qabbaan
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
It's high risk, high reward.

Without gaping holes or a clear choice at 11, we can make a gamble pick like this.

Jerm
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Poe was a 2nd team All..........Conference USA.......

MOTHERFUCKING CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Whosurdaddy
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Worries me that he could be another siavii

MIAdragon
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/images/admin/ghols.jpg

DonInDenver
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
What can we do? Not a thing. Let's see what he has.

Brock
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
2nd biggest need next to QB. No problem at all.

Bane
04-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Thanks Pioli.Another pick of a DL that would have been there 20 picks later.

Tombstone RJ
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
congrats on the Pillsberry Poe Boy...

Fire Me Boy!
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
Maybe he's colorblind and he won't recognize Cassel's red jersey in practice. :grovel:

The Dawg
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
AIDS FIRE

KC Tattoo
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
I liked the Powe pick

of last year.

Robo-Chachi
04-26-2012, 08:22 PM
Guys, guys, guys. I'm sure once he becomes a multi-millionaire his work ethic will improve greatly.

qabbaan
04-26-2012, 08:22 PM
Who else did we want at 11? A guard?

We got the best player in the draft at our biggest position of need outside QB. He is a middle of the first type guy. I think this could work out well.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 08:22 PM
He didn't dominate C-USA teams and somehow he will dominate NFL teams? Oh well, what can you do.

Something called coaching.

Pablo
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
2nd biggest need next to QB. No problem at all.
Agreed.

I guess we could have taken a fucking guard. Then we'd have the best line ever for Cassel to shit his pants behind.

Sure, he's a risky player. Most NT's are. They're on-and-off again type of players. He might be lazy. He didn't play great against shitty competition. He's obviously the prototypical size and strength for the position and maybe he just needs proper motivation. Who knows.

I don't hate the pick. At least we tried for the most important position in a 3-4 instead of taking the safe pick in a fucking guard or another d end.

Xanathol
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
The Saints will make a better pick in this years draft in the 1st & 2nd when they don't pick.

La literatura
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
My personal opinion: if he turns out to be good, I was in favor of the pick. However, if he turns out to be bad, I was never in favor of the pick and instead, I wanted [to be filled out later].

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
I'm fine with the pick. I don't know much about the guy, but at least NT is a position of need.

Maybe he'll be a lazy shit stain. Maybe he'll be the anchor for our defense for the next 7-8 years. Here's hoping for the latter.

Naw man, let's cry like a spurned teenage girl.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-26-2012, 08:24 PM
I WANTED TA'AMU **** THIS...

This.

KurtCobain
04-26-2012, 08:24 PM
My personal opinion: if he turns out to be good, I was in favor of the pick. However, if he turns out to be bad, I was never in favor of the pick and instead, I wanted [to be filled out later].

This is a fair opinion, I can see where you're coming from.

petegz28
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Romeo makes a good point..he can play all the techniques but the problem is they had them playing them all so he never got a chance to get good at one thing because they were constantly changing what he was doing.

tredadda
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Something called coaching.

If that were the case there would be no draft busts as high picks are just that because of their talent. I hope he lives up to his potential. If he does he will be worth the pick. If not he will be another in a long line of wasted 1st round D-linemen this team gets.

Pablo
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Naw man, let's cry like a spurned teenage girl.WE COULD OF GOT DA GUARD THAT BLOCKED FOR LUCK. HE WASNT RISKY AT ALL. HE WAS EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED. SAFE AND ENTIRELY BORING.

Deberg_1990
04-26-2012, 08:28 PM
If we would have drafted an Olineman, people would be screaming why didn't we draft a NT?

You can't ever win with this crowd. :facepalm:
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Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 08:29 PM
WE COULD OF GOT DA GUARD THAT BLOCKED FOR LUCK. HE WASNT RISKY AT ALL. HE WAS EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED. SAFE AND ENTIRELY BORING.

People were calling for Guards, 3-4 ends, and ILBs before the draft, now they want to throw a fit over a guy that may fill the hole of the biggest need on D? Fuck that noise.

Easy 6
04-26-2012, 08:30 PM
Guys, guys, guys. I'm sure once he becomes a multi-millionaire his work ethic will improve greatly.

*cocks it, pulls trigger to temple*

Okie_Apparition
04-26-2012, 08:30 PM
Fullback

ROYC75
04-26-2012, 08:31 PM
With Luke gone, who were we going to take at 11 to upgrade the D. Chances are no team wanted to trade with us since so many trades went ahead of us.

Chiefs are know for making # 1 project picks !

ROYC75
04-26-2012, 08:31 PM
If we would have drafted an Olineman, people would be screaming why didn't we draft a NT?

You can't ever win with this crowd. :facepalm:
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This.

PHOG
04-26-2012, 08:34 PM
KMA, damn, a midmajor college....lazy fuck....is going to get the job done for the Chiefs

Hog Farmer
04-26-2012, 08:34 PM
Thanks Pioli.Another pick of a DL that would have been there 20 picks later.

I don't think so. this guy is a monster that will benefit from coach Crennel. I think we'll be happy when we see him collapsing the pocket on Manning.

ILChief
04-26-2012, 08:36 PM
Decastro is gonna go to SD

Chief3188
04-26-2012, 08:36 PM
You like Ryan Sims.

Not a good comparison. Ryan Sims looked better than he was because he played next to Peppers at NC. Poe's own team voted him their best defensive player and he did not have anyone next to him that was making him shine.

A DT pick is a risky pick and there is no getting around that. We just have to hope his career ends up more like Wilfork's than Siavii's

qabbaan
04-26-2012, 08:37 PM
The middle third of the first round is not too high for a high risk high reward guy when we have zero at nose tackle

PHOG
04-26-2012, 08:38 PM
The middle third of the first round is not too high for a high risk high reward guy when we have zero at nose tackle

Chapman, 2nd or maybe third

sedated
04-26-2012, 08:38 PM
We just have to hope his career ends up more like Wilfork's than Siavii's

Wilfork was productive in college. Siavii was a physical specimen. Which do you think Poe resembles most?


(we passed on Terrence Cody too)

Brock
04-26-2012, 08:40 PM
yeah, it's the usual "I studied him on youtube and didn't like what I saw" bullshit.

notorious
04-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Not a good comparison. Ryan Sims looked better than he was because he played next to Peppers at NC. Poe's own team voted him their best defensive player and he did not have anyone next to him that was making him shine.


At least Sims made plays in college.


He didn't shine, either.

gblowfish
04-26-2012, 08:43 PM
Well, hopefully he'll make Hudson a better player in practice....

qabbaan
04-26-2012, 08:43 PM
Wilfork was productive in college. Siavii was a physical specimen. Which do you think Poe resembles most?


(we passed on Terrence Cody too)

He has the same physical specs as Ngata. Similar combine performance too.

Brock
04-26-2012, 08:44 PM
Last year the resident experts wanted Powe in the second.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 08:44 PM
We coulda had Brockers!!!OMG11111!!!!!!

philfree
04-26-2012, 08:45 PM
I'm gonna go with the pick. I was willing to gamble on Tannehill if he fell to #11 because of our lack of must have needs. (And I think he can be a franchise QB although it not a guarantee) That being the case what's wrong with gambling on Poe? High ceiling and we have the situation to develope him.

I can't wait to roll out the KC Poe Powe defense.


I don't think he'll last but I'd love for us to line up Donta Hightower behind those two.

Strongside
04-26-2012, 08:47 PM
I'm gonna go with the pick. I was willing to gamble on Tannehill if he fell to #11 because of our lack of must have needs. (And I think he can be a franchise QB although it not a guarantee) That being the case what's wrong with gambling on Poe? High ceiling and we have the situation to develope him.

I can't wait to roll out the KC Poe Powe defense.


I don't think he'll last but I'd love for us to line up Donta Hightower behind those two.

If Hightower were still there in the 2nd I'd shit a brick.

Easy 6
04-26-2012, 08:50 PM
Really, truly hope all of the bandwagon smartasses are right.

Willie Lanier
04-26-2012, 08:52 PM
The guy is a physical freak, I really hope he pans out...

philfree
04-26-2012, 08:53 PM
Really, truly hope all of the bandwagon smartasses are right.

I'm not bandwagon but if Poe works out we have a generational D Lineman. I honestly didn't have a favorite in this race though.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 08:54 PM
Really, truly hope all of the bandwagon smartasses are right.

As opposed to what? Picking up another 3-4 end or guard?

philfree
04-26-2012, 09:02 PM
If Hightower were still there in the 2nd I'd shit a brick.

He'll be a Steeler.

tredadda
04-26-2012, 09:02 PM
With Luke gone, who were we going to take at 11 to upgrade the D. Chances are no team wanted to trade with us since so many trades went ahead of us.

Chiefs are know for making # 1 project picks !

Ummm, we were a top 15 defense without Berry but averaged 13.3 points per game on offense and were near the bottom in YPG. I don't think upgrading the defense should have been our top priority. We could have addressed NT in round 2 with a player close to Poe in talent. Oh well, here's hoping he pans out as I don't want him to bust.

Easy 6
04-26-2012, 09:03 PM
As opposed to what? Picking up another 3-4 end or guard?

So you're right, anything else is wrong, does that about cover it? you want to bet it all that Poe has any better of a chance to be a player than Brockers, DeCastro, or anyone else for that matter?

A widely held reputation for lax effort, against often inferior competition... you may well be right, but dont act like there arent plenty of legit red flags on this guy.

DaKCMan AP
04-26-2012, 09:03 PM
Congrats to @BigPoe74 for becoming the newest member of The Kansas City Chiefs!
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Glenn Dorsey @GlennDorsey72
Hate it or love it... What are YOU stopping tho?...

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LEARN the scheme first..

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Armchair

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U know the duties of a 34 end?

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People who comment and dont have a clue..RT @aturnis: @GlennDorsey72 You talking to the fans or Poe?

tredadda
04-26-2012, 09:03 PM
He'll be a Steeler.

Sadly I think you are right.

buddha
04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
Romeo makes a good point..he can play all the techniques but the problem is they had them playing them all so he never got a chance to get good at one thing because they were constantly changing what he was doing.

Bullshit.

Players make plays.

I hope he becomes Curly Culp, I really do, but it's revealing that Romeo is already making excuses for a kid they just drafted #11 in the first round. Seriously.

Brianfo
04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
Something called coaching.

Argument fail. Conference USA. Bearcats play a tougher schedule than that.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 09:16 PM
Argument fail. Conference USA. Bearcats play a tougher schedule than that.

Technique dumbass.

Brock
04-26-2012, 09:17 PM
POE'S A REACH!!!!

SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED DECASTRO!!!

Oh, you mean Decastro's still on the board?

Garcia Bronco
04-26-2012, 09:17 PM
Someone said said his arms are too short. True?

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 09:17 PM
So you're right, anything else is wrong, does that about cover it? you want to bet it all that Poe has any better of a chance to be a player than Brockers, DeCastro, or anyone else for that matter?

A widely held reputation for lax effort, against often inferior competition... you may well be right, but dont act like there arent plenty of legit red flags on this guy.

Of course he could be a bust. Anyone could. The point is I wasn't high on anyone talked about at thier spot, so why would I complain about them taking a guy with amazing potential at the biggest need on defense?

O.city
04-26-2012, 09:19 PM
Of course he could be a bust. Anyone could. The point is I wasn't high on anyone talked about at thier spot, so why would I complain about them taking a guy with amazing potential at the biggest need on defense?

This is really ohw I fell. I wasn't high on really anyone at where we were.



We ended up taking a guy with the highest potential at a position of need.


Ok, i'm fine with it.

petegz28
04-26-2012, 09:20 PM
This is really ohw I fell. I wasn't high on really anyone at where we were.



We ended up taking a guy with the highest potential at a position of need.


Ok, i'm fine with it.

High-risk high-reward. If he pans out it's a great pick. If he busts well....

crazycoffey
04-26-2012, 09:35 PM
My buddy, a diehard Memphis fan and eternal pessimist says the pundits are coming down on poe a bit too hard. 2-11 season, always playing from behind and against alot of safe, run the clock down second halves, moved around too much and heads and shoulders over the rest of the defense. My friend says Poe's upside is huge and very probable.

Grain of salt and all that.....

chiefzilla1501
04-26-2012, 10:06 PM
I'm not a big fan of Poe.

But I'm even lower on the guys we would have taken instead of Poe.

Rather whiff on a risky upside guy at an important position, then a sure thing at a stable position. Given the options, not a bad pick.

Epic Fail 007
04-26-2012, 10:11 PM
You haters are completely clueless. Hes big he will free up space for LBS plain and simple. STOP THE FUCKING BITCHING!! USE UR DAMN HEAD STOP FUCKING TROLLING!

beach tribe
04-26-2012, 10:18 PM
I'm sure what to think about the pick.
If he hits his ceiling he will be just Nasty.
What the chances of that happening are, I don't know.
This is probably a repost:
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Mecca
04-26-2012, 10:19 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dontari-Poe.php

that doesn't make it sound like that bad of a pick.

alnorth
04-26-2012, 10:19 PM
I'm not a big fan of Poe.

But I'm even lower on the guys we would have taken instead of Poe.

Rather whiff on a risky upside guy at an important position, then a sure thing at a stable position. Given the options, not a bad pick.

I don't follow the NFL draft much, but this is how I'm reading it from people who know more than me.

Presuming we couldn't trade down (maybe we could, but we will never know), and if there was really no great player available, I'm fine with swinging for the fences with the understanding that it could turn out to be a dumbass wasted pick.

crazycoffey
04-26-2012, 10:20 PM
Mecca Sighting! How much do you hate the pick (chiefs/pioli/hunt/life) today?

Pablo
04-26-2012, 10:21 PM
I'm not a big fan of Poe.

But I'm even lower on the guys we would have taken instead of Poe.

Rather whiff on a risky upside guy at an important position, then a sure thing at a stable position. Given the options, not a bad pick.Agree.

beach tribe
04-26-2012, 10:21 PM
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Memphis up in hrr
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beach tribe
04-26-2012, 10:23 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dontari-Poe.php

that doesn't make it sound like that bad of a pick.

Nobody really knows how this will turn out.

chiefzilla1501
04-26-2012, 10:24 PM
I don't follow the NFL draft much, but this is how I'm reading it from people who know more than me.

Presuming we couldn't trade down (maybe we could, but we will never know), and if there was really no great player available, I'm fine with swinging for the fences with the understanding that it could turn out to be a dumbass wasted pick.

The talent at our pick sucked. So nobody was going to trade up to take nobody.

We had the choice of taking a safe pick at a position nobody cares about. Or an extremely risky pick at a position that's really important.

Given those options and combine that with a coach who is as good as it comes to coaching up defensive linemen, and I think the pick is a good one.

Mecca
04-26-2012, 10:25 PM
The talent at our pick sucked. So nobody was going to trade up to take nobody.

We had the choice of taking a safe pick at a position nobody cares about. Or an extremely risky pick at a position that's really important.

Given those options and combine that with a coach who is as good as it comes to coaching up defensive linemen, and I think the pick is a good one.

You're now gonna hear the team behind us moved back, why couldn't we make the deal with the Eagles?

DaWolf
04-26-2012, 10:25 PM
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/apr/22/mother-coaches-proud-of-poe/?print=1

MahiMike
04-26-2012, 10:27 PM
WE COULD OF GOT DA GUARD THAT BLOCKED FOR LUCK. HE WASNT RISKY AT ALL. HE WAS EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED. SAFE AND ENTIRELY BORING.

I hear ya brother! I hear ya.

Setsuna
04-26-2012, 10:27 PM
I just want to say....Jason Pierre Paul had just as much raw talent as Poe, yet dominated in his conference. He hadn't even played football till his junior year in HS. Coaching has nothing to do with it. That argument is void.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 10:28 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dontari-Poe.php

that doesn't make it sound like that bad of a pick.

Gets knocked for a lack of production, but posted similar tackles for loss/sacks as Ngata, Raji, and Taylor at the same point in thier careers.

aturnis
04-26-2012, 10:29 PM
Romeo makes a good point..he can play all the techniques but the problem is they had them playing them all so he never got a chance to get good at one thing because they were constantly changing what he was doing.

If anything, it's a knock on him. In playing all of those other positions, he should have been able to rack up more stats than he would at NT, especially when he played damn near every snap.

Also, if he did have any hope of being good, don't you think his "freak" athleticism and next to nothing competition should have still allowed him to dominate regardless of coaching?

beach tribe
04-26-2012, 10:29 PM
I just want to say....Jason Pierre Paul had just as much raw talent as Poe, yet dominated in his conference. He hadn't even played football till his junior year in HS. Coaching has nothing to do with it. That argument is void.

Pierre Paul played NT in college??

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2012, 10:30 PM
I know I'm biased because I've actually seen one of his games, and all, but...

chiefzilla1501
04-26-2012, 10:31 PM
You're now gonna hear the team behind us moved back, why couldn't we make the deal with the Eagles?

A 4th and a 6th round pick. And then the Chiefs would have taken Decastro or Reiff. Who really cares? Again, this is the first round. I'd rather take a chance on a prospect in a key position that lay up on an average guy in a position that doesn't matter one bit.

Mr_Tomahawk
04-26-2012, 10:31 PM
I like this pick if we draft Oz in the next round...

O.city
04-26-2012, 10:31 PM
Mecca has talked me into wanting Upshaw.

beach tribe
04-26-2012, 10:31 PM
If anything, it's a knock on him. In playing all of those other positions, he should have been able to rack up more stats than he would at NT, especially when he played damn near every snap.

Also, if he did have any hope of being good, don't you think his "freak" athleticism and next to nothing competition should have still allowed him to dominate regardless of coaching?

He's going to be used as a pure NT now though.
Stats mean shit for him really. He's going to hold the point, and command DTs every snap he's in the middle. His size demands it.

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
He's used to being triple-teamed, if that's any consolation.

Mecca
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
I just want to say....Jason Pierre Paul had just as much raw talent as Poe, yet dominated in his conference. He hadn't even played football till his junior year in HS. Coaching has nothing to do with it. That argument is void.

Ends get a lot more stats than tackles...and USF was actually pretty good.

Extra Point
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
Mecca has talked me into wanting Upshaw.

Seeing all the Bama footage tonite did it for me.

mnchiefsguy
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
You're now gonna hear the team behind us moved back, why couldn't we make the deal with the Eagles?

That is a legitimate question, no? Since the Eagles were hell bent on taking Cox (one of the commentators said Philly was willing to trade into the top ten to get him), Pioli could have said "we have Poe and Cox as 1a and 1b, but if you really want Cox, we can make a deal", that the Eagles would not have been willing to work with that?

The draft choice would look much better if made later in the first with a couple of extra picks thrown in there. The consensus seems to be that Poe was going to be there later in the first round.

Of course, Pioli could have tried exactly that, and Philly called his bluff, and then they got Seattle to take less to move up to #12. That is a completely reasonable scenario as well.

I am trying to be upbeat but my gut is telling me this is a bad, bad pick. Ryan Sims bad. Tyson Jackson bad. Todd Blackledge bad. Time will tell, and I hope my gut is wrong and is just overreacting.

Trevo_410
04-26-2012, 10:34 PM
hey guys, we could be seattle... or maybe even a seahawk and royals fan....

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chiefzilla1501
04-26-2012, 10:34 PM
That is a legitimate question, no? Since the Eagles were hell bent on taking Cox (one of the commentators said Philly was willing to trade into the top ten to get him), Pioli could have said "we have Poe and Cox as 1a and 1b, but if you really want Cox, we can make a deal", that the Eagles would not have been willing to work with that?

The draft choice would look much better if made later in the first with a couple of extra picks thrown in there. The consensus seems to be that Poe was going to be there later in the first round.

Of course, Pioli could have tried exactly that, and Philly called his bluff, and then they got Seattle to take less to move up to #12. That is a completely reasonable scenario as well.

I am trying to be upbeat but my gut is telling me this is a bad, bad pick. Ryan Sims bad. Tyson Jackson bad. Todd Blackledge bad. Time will tell, and I hope my gut is wrong and is just overreacting.

Tyson Jackson wasn't a good pick. But he certainly wasn't a bad pick either.

O.city
04-26-2012, 10:36 PM
I'd say the Chiefs wanted Poe. The Seahawks might have wanted him too. The Chiefs might have been worried that trading back to 14 made them miss out on Poe.

Just a thought.

beach tribe
04-26-2012, 10:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IaNI-3sw4&feature=related
Watch Poe get by his man @ 6:50 (I know the QB gets the ball off, but it ain't his fault)
Hell watch the whole video. He may not have racked up a lot of #s, but he put some orange mound ass whoopins on a few guys.

O.city
04-26-2012, 10:45 PM
Imagine if the guy actually does fill the potential and becomes as good as Ngata.



What does that do for this defense and DJ and Belcher?

mnchiefsguy
04-26-2012, 10:46 PM
Tyson Jackson wasn't a good pick. But he certainly wasn't a bad pick either.

At #3 in the draft for a team that went 2-14 the previous year, he was absolutely a bad pick.

Jackson's ceiling is being a good player...at #3 in the entire NFL draft...the player you take in that spot needs to have "Bad Motherfucker" tattooed on his wallet.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 10:46 PM
Imagine if the guy actually does fill the potential and becomes as good as Ngata.



What does that do for this defense and DJ and Belcher?

If? The defense rapes and destroys worlds.

chiefzilla1501
04-26-2012, 10:49 PM
At #3 in the draft for a team that went 2-14 the previous year, he was absolutely a bad pick.

Jackson's ceiling is being a good player...at #3 in the entire NFL draft...the player you take in that spot needs to have "Bad Mother****er" tattooed on his wallet.

Like this year's draft at the position we drafted at, the Chiefs took Jackson at a spot where the options completely sucked. I was pushing for Raji a few years ago. But in the end, Jackson will be a solid player where 70% of the top 10 in that draft class were utter crap. He wasn't a bad pick, but he wasn't a good one.

Trevo_410
04-26-2012, 10:49 PM
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Tombstone RJ
04-26-2012, 10:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IaNI-3sw4&feature=related
Watch Poe get by his man @ 6:50 (I know the QB gets the ball off, but it ain't his fault)
Hell watch the whole video. He may not have racked up a lot of #s, but he put some orange mound ass whoopins on a few guys.

that's Arkansas State homey. Not exactly a power house team. And Poe is unimpressive. Again, his tape is not impressive.

aturnis
04-26-2012, 11:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IaNI-3sw4&feature=related
Watch Poe get by his man @ 6:50 (I know the QB gets the ball off, but it ain't his fault)
Hell watch the whole video. He may not have racked up a lot of #s, but he put some orange mound ass whoopins on a few guys.

I've watched over 12min. of that video so far. More often than not, he is blocked by a single olineman. Where's all this double and triple teaming everyone is talking about happening on every play? So far, he has been both double and triple teamed, but nowhere near as much as he's been block by a single olineman, and he still hasn't made a play in this video.

aturnis
04-26-2012, 11:09 PM
At #3 in the draft for a team that went 2-14 the previous year, he was absolutely a bad pick.

Jackson's ceiling is being a good player...at #3 in the entire NFL draft...the player you take in that spot needs to have "Bad Mother****er" tattooed on his wallet.

How quickly you forget. Who then should the Chiefs have taken? If you don't remember, it was a VERY WEAK top of the draft that year. Nobody for us to pick and nobody good enough for anyone to trade up for.

Hindsight is 20/20, an you will probably come up with a guy, but I'm sure it isn't the guy you were hoping we would have taken. Tyson had a much better year than Raji, a better career than Sanchez and so on. You have to go all the way down to the 13th pick to Orakpo to find a guy.

Stop ragging on TJ. He was an acceptable pick at the time and is a better player now than most give him credit for. I expect yet another good year from him.

beach tribe
04-26-2012, 11:43 PM
I've watched over 12min. of that video so far. More often than not, he is blocked by a single olineman. Where's all this double and triple teaming everyone is talking about happening on every play? So far, he has been both double and triple teamed, but nowhere near as much as he's been block by a single olineman, and he still hasn't made a play in this video.

I think he looks like a monster in a lot of that video.

KCDC
04-27-2012, 12:25 AM
I think he looks like a monster in a lot of that video.

If you mean by "monster" that he looked scarily confused, blind to the football, and ineffective, I would agree. I thought I was watching the tape of a fifth round DT that happened to be extra large compared to the young boys playing opposite him.

beach tribe
04-27-2012, 12:42 AM
If you mean by "monster" that he looked scarily confused, blind to the football, and ineffective, I would agree. I thought I was watching the tape of a fifth round DT that happened to be extra large compared to the young boys playing opposite him.

I guess I see what Crennel sees. Let's hope your eyes are the ones that are fooled.

KC Tattoo
04-27-2012, 12:51 AM
I guess I see what Crennel sees. Let's hope your eyes are the ones that are fooled.

I liked what Crennel and even Pioli said about him. From a football perspective if we teach him the basics this season and symplify the position for him for his job he can make a big impact for Tamba Hali to make the playes sacking the QB and make an impact against the run as well. That's my hope for him. He doesn't have to make the plays but he can help the defense be better.

beach tribe
04-27-2012, 12:53 AM
I liked what Crennel and even Pioli said about him. From a football perspective if we teach him the basics this season and symplify the position for him for his job he can make a big impact for Tamba Hali to make the playes sacking the QB and make an impact against the run as well. That's my hope for him. He doesn't have to make the plays but he can help the defense be better.

Can you imagine how awesome his coaching was at Memphis?
People actually said he looks "Lost"
Well, no shit.

Chiefshrink
04-27-2012, 12:56 AM
mayocks the only one that knows what hes talking about. our front 4 will be scary in that subpackage . . i just hope we pick up some kind of linebacker as well.

We trade up for Courtney tomorrow because he won't make it through the next 11 teams in front us at 44.

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2012, 12:57 AM
Can you imagine how awesome his coaching was at Memphis?
People actually said he looks "Lost"
Well, no shit.
Genuinely one of the worst sports nightmares I've ever endured, and I'm a Cubs + Chiefs fan.

KC Tattoo
04-27-2012, 12:58 AM
As long as we arn't facing a bunch of spread offenses I think this might work :thumb:

Chiefshrink
04-27-2012, 12:58 AM
Can you imagine how awesome his coaching was at Memphis?
People actually said he looks "Lost"
Well, no shit.

Memphis just ain't a football school. Just like Kentucky who gave the NFL Tim Couch.

Let's just hope Poe breaks that reputation.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2012, 01:00 AM
I also I like to mention that this is a total Parcells' "Planet Theory" pick too

beach tribe
04-27-2012, 01:02 AM
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KC Tattoo
04-27-2012, 01:03 AM
I think it's going to come down to how hungry he is to play football. They talked about him not laying down on a losing team but I hope for his sake that isn't going have to happen for us. That could defleat his motivation. Damn :doh!:

& I want him to have a mean streak in him. He didn't or doesn't seem to get into beast mode and that's what it's going to take for him to be successful.

WildTurkey
04-27-2012, 01:09 AM
I think it's going to come down to how hungry he is to play football. They talked about him not laying down on a losing team but I hope for his sake that isn't going have to happen for us. That could defleat his motivation. Damn :doh!:

& I want him to have a mean streak in him. He didn't or doesn't seem to get into beast mode and that's what it's going to take for him to be successful.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/18840592/dontari-poe-draws-unlimited-amount-of-motivation-from-draft-chatter

Seems like he's fairly motivated to me especially reading this quote.

"As of right now, I have an unlimited amount of motivation because of what I've been hearing through the press," Poe said. "It will motivate me more. But to say that it will be the ultimate factor in me trying to rip someone's head off because of the draft, you know, I was planning on doing that anyway."





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Epic Fail 007
04-27-2012, 01:16 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if you see him moved to DE after Jackson leaves. Either way, we either hit a huge HR or we struck out with bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th

either way he will eat up space for the lbs to roam!

KC Tattoo
04-27-2012, 01:17 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/18840592/dontari-poe-draws-unlimited-amount-of-motivation-from-draft-chatter

Seems like he's fairly motivated to me especially reading this quote.

"As of right now, I have an unlimited amount of motivation because of what I've been hearing through the press," Poe said. "It will motivate me more. But to say that it will be the ultimate factor in me trying to rip someone's head off because of the draft, you know, I was planning on doing that anyway."




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Got to like that :thumb:

WildTurkey
04-27-2012, 01:40 AM
Got to like that :thumb:

Peyton Manning's head would be a nice one to start with

jspchief
04-27-2012, 03:23 AM
So he needed coaching, and suffered because of the way he was used?

Every year we hear about guys coming out of college that got by purely on athleticism. They lacked technique, but were such superior athletes that it was overcome.

Now we have Poe, who is supposed to be athletically gifted, yet he still didn't perform. Even against lower tier opposition.

I'm sorry but the excuses people are tossing out there are nothing but bullshit. There is very little reason to believe this guy will be something in the NFL that he was incapable of being in C-USA.

This FO backed themselves into a corner by coming out of FA with no one but Powe and Gordon on the roster. This is the worst type of draft pick, because need was the driving force behind it.

Fruit Ninja
04-27-2012, 03:41 AM
I wanted Barron or Tanehill after them dudes were gone. I didnt really give a **** anymore. I didnt want a guard at 11 and i didnt want a inside linebacker that will play 2 downs.

so, eh. I think i would take Matt Moore over Cassel. ok, i know i would. lol I freaking DESPISE Cassel as the starting QB of this team.

Gravedigger
04-27-2012, 03:57 AM
This pick does one of two things: it signals that we finally have a decent to good nose tackle, or it's the final nail in the coffin for Scott Pioli here in KC. I'm good either way.

ChiefsNow
04-27-2012, 04:01 AM
So he needed coaching, and suffered because of the way he was used?

Every year we hear about guys coming out of college that got by purely on athleticism. They lacked technique, but were such superior athletes that it was overcome.

Now we have Poe, who is supposed to be athletically gifted, yet he still didn't perform. Even against lower tier opposition.

I'm sorry but the excuses people are tossing out there are nothing but bullshit. There is very little reason to believe this guy will be something in the NFL that he was incapable of being in C-USA.

This FO backed themselves into a corner by coming out of FA with no one but Powe and Gordon on the roster. This is the worst type of draft pick, because need was the driving force behind it.

His team was lower tier. He was a bright spot.

jspchief
04-27-2012, 05:29 AM
He was a bright spot.
Except, he wasn't.

milkman
04-27-2012, 05:32 AM
Thanks Pioli.Another pick of a DL that would have been there 20 picks later.

Last year the resident experts wanted Powe in the second.

I was going to bring up Powe in response to Bane.

When we all wanted Powe so early in the draft and kept freaking when we passed on him round after round, we learned that Scott Pioli has a far better feel for where guys fit in the draft than we do.

I'm not one who blindly puts my faith in the staff, but if they felt that he wasn't going to last much beyond the 11th pick, I'm inclined to believe them.

chiefzilla1501
04-27-2012, 07:00 AM
So he needed coaching, and suffered because of the way he was used?

Every year we hear about guys coming out of college that got by purely on athleticism. They lacked technique, but were such superior athletes that it was overcome.

Now we have Poe, who is supposed to be athletically gifted, yet he still didn't perform. Even against lower tier opposition.

I'm sorry but the excuses people are tossing out there are nothing but bullshit. There is very little reason to believe this guy will be something in the NFL that he was incapable of being in C-USA.

This FO backed themselves into a corner by coming out of FA with no one but Powe and Gordon on the roster. This is the worst type of draft pick, because need was the driving force behind it.

Again, look at the alternatives. The people that are pissed are pissed we didn't take an olineman. Linemen can be bought in free agency. The only place to find a nose tackle is in the draft. This guy is a big boom bust prospect. but he has potential to really really boom.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-27-2012, 07:23 AM
If you mean by "monster" that he looked scarily confused, blind to the football, and ineffective, I would agree. I thought I was watching the tape of a fifth round DT that happened to be extra large compared to the young boys playing opposite him.

Do you even know what you are looking at LMAO

Mike Mayock: Good pick. KC's the perfect landing spot for him.

KCDC: Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaccccccccch!!!! My youtube game film says different bitch!!

YayMike
04-27-2012, 07:31 AM
I was going to bring up Powe in response to Bane.

When we all wanted Powe so early in the draft and kept freaking when we passed on him round after round, we learned that Scott Pioli has a far better feel for where guys fit in the draft than we do.

I'm not one who blindly puts my faith in the staff, but if they felt that he wasn't going to last much beyond the 11th pick, I'm inclined to believe them.

I think you are dead on here. In fact I believe that Seattle might have taken him if we didn't.

I really didn't want DeCastro. Luke, Barron and Tannehill were gone. I liked Hightower but not at 11.

As mentioned, this pick has a high risk , high reward. But, we addressed arguably the biggest need in the first round. Let's hope for the best. It's not the worst thing they could have done with the pick.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-27-2012, 07:32 AM
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Gotta love the WE NEEDED DE CASTRO comments under the video. JFC people are wanting to riot over not taking a guard.

htismaqe
04-27-2012, 08:52 AM
So he needed coaching, and suffered because of the way he was used?

Every year we hear about guys coming out of college that got by purely on athleticism. They lacked technique, but were such superior athletes that it was overcome.

Now we have Poe, who is supposed to be athletically gifted, yet he still didn't perform. Even against lower tier opposition.

I'm sorry but the excuses people are tossing out there are nothing but bullshit. There is very little reason to believe this guy will be something in the NFL that he was incapable of being in C-USA.

This FO backed themselves into a corner by coming out of FA with no one but Powe and Gordon on the roster. This is the worst type of draft pick, because need was the driving force behind it.

At this point, all we can do is hope that Romeo and Anthony Pleasant know what they are doing.

Defensive tackle is THE position where guys with high upside bust because of lack of effort. More than any other position, fat guys that are fast flame out because they've never had to try before.

Inmem58
04-27-2012, 08:55 AM
We drafted a guy who lacked numbers in a weak divison lol


Awesome job Pioli

Setsuna
04-27-2012, 08:59 AM
We drafted a guy who lacked numbers in a weak divison lol


Awesome job Pioli
You'd think that truth would be enough.

Sofa King
04-27-2012, 09:04 AM
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I found it funny that the dude to Poe's right was clapping so long and loud that Poe had to lean down so he could hear the guy on the phone.

Shox
04-27-2012, 09:10 AM
I predicted Poe would be the pick some time ago, but I'm not sure I like it.

The one think that makes me think he could turn it on, is Romeo. This guy does know defense and especially defensive lineman. So he has all the tools and now he has one the top 2 or 3 coaches to teach him.

On the negative, all the stuff already said. How can a guy with that much strenght and speed not make more plays against the competition he was going against. Even if he was poorly coached his strength and speed alone should have produced more plays.

Saul Good
04-27-2012, 10:22 AM
He's used to being triple-teamed, if that's any consolation.

So is Frankie's mom, but I wouldn't draft her at #11, either.

BigCatDaddy
04-27-2012, 10:24 AM
So is Frankie's mom, but I wouldn't draft her at #11, either..

Mr. Arrowhead
04-27-2012, 10:33 AM
If crennel cant make him into a decent NT, then hes pretty much fucked

philfree
04-27-2012, 11:40 AM
I was going to bring up Powe in response to Bane.

When we all wanted Powe so early in the draft and kept freaking when we passed on him round after round, we learned that Scott Pioli has a far better feel for where guys fit in the draft than we do.
I'm not one who blindly puts my faith in the staff, but if they felt that he wasn't going to last much beyond the 11th pick, I'm inclined to believe them.

Yes.

Pioli and RC have a pretty good track record drafting D linemen too so there is that.

Jawshco
04-27-2012, 01:03 PM
This an impossible pick to grade until we see him play. He definitely is the best.player available in the draft in terms of size and strength to push the line. The trouble is that we've never seen Poe play the way Crennel believes that he can. I trust RAC, so while this looks like a questionable pick on the surface no one knows more about NT's than him. RAC is certainly beginning his career as our HC with a high risk move, but I'm definitely rooting for him to succeed. I really liked the fact that RAC said he thought Poe was the top DT before the combine- so he's not just looking at Poe as a combine hero.

Question: we know our DE's had good stats against the rush, but our D was one of the worst D's against rush overall. So where was the weak link? Was it only the DT spot? I'm curious.

milkman
04-27-2012, 01:11 PM
This an impossible pick to grade until we see him play. He definitely is the best.player available in the draft in terms of size and strength to push the line. The trouble is that we've never seen Poe play the way Crennel believes that he can. I trust RAC, so while this looks like a questionable pick on the surface no one knows more about NT's than him. RAC is certainly beginning his career as our HC with a high risk move, but I'm definitely rooting for him to succeed. I really liked the fact that RAC said he thought Poe was the top DT before the combine- so he's not just looking at Poe as a combine hero.

Question: we know our DE's had good stats against the rush, but our D was one of the worst D's against rush overall. So where was the weak link? Was it only the DT spot? I'm curious.

Here's the problem with the overall rush defense ranking.

In total yards, they were rated 26th, but in YPA, they were rated in the upper half of the league.

That tells you that teams were often playing with a lead against the Chiefs, thus running the ball more, so the total number of yards is somewhat misleading.

The YPA atempt is a more telling stat to how this unit actually performed.

philfree
04-27-2012, 01:13 PM
This an impossible pick to grade until we see him play. He definitely is the best.player available in the draft in terms of size and strength to push the line. The trouble is that we've never seen Poe play the way Crennel believes that he can. I trust RAC, so while this looks like a questionable pick on the surface no one knows more about NT's than him. RAC is certainly beginning his career as our HC with a high risk move, but I'm definitely rooting for him to succeed. I really liked the fact that RAC said he thought Poe was the top DT before the combine- so he's not just looking at Poe as a combine hero.

Question: we know our DE's had good stats against the rush, but our D was one of the worst D's against rush overall. So where was the weak link? Was it only the DT spot? I'm curious.

I think Romeo explained part of it when he talked about getting gouged by the running game when we were in sub packages.

whoman69
04-27-2012, 01:51 PM
Here's the problem with the overall rush defense ranking.

In total yards, they were rated 26th, but in YPA, they were rated in the upper half of the league.

That tells you that teams were often playing with a lead against the Chiefs, thus running the ball more, so the total number of yards is somewhat misleading.

The YPA atempt is a more telling stat to how this unit actually performed.

Romeo said that one of the main reasons he liked Poe was that other teams tended to run against the Chiefs in their sub packages. Having someone that can get some push when its a pass play and hold their ground when its a run will help.

Jawshco
04-27-2012, 07:05 PM
Romeo said that one of the main reasons he liked Poe was that other teams tended to run against the Chiefs in their sub packages. Having someone that can get some push when its a pass play and hold their ground when its a run will help.

If it works out like that with Poe getting push and Berry's back in action- I can't see any reason we won't be at least a top 10 defense this year. If we don't have to rely on Cassel to score a ton of points. We'll win a couple more games on that alone. Probably still pretty mediocre overall, but certainly not horrible.

Chief3188
05-01-2012, 11:24 PM
Wilfork was productive in college. Siavii was a physical specimen. Which do you think Poe resembles most?


(we passed on Terrence Cody too)

Wilfork had also never played any 2 gap and was not asked to play the entire game nor every position on the line like Poe was. We all might as well at least give the kid a chance.

RUSH
05-03-2012, 06:00 PM
Pat Kirwan ‏ @PatKirwanCBS

Still talkin w/Pioli- He thinks Dontari Poe can play anywhere in the front and the club will experiment with him like Ngata in BLT.

Direckshun
05-03-2012, 06:01 PM
Hmmm....

I trust Crennel.

Chiefaholic
05-03-2012, 06:14 PM
In this system the NT isn't going to put up stats that will land his ass on Sportscenter on a Sunday evening. However, if adding Poe frees up our LB's to make plays, rather than being on the receiving end of a guard/FB blocking for a huge gain, then he's accomplished the goal we drafted him for. His job is to eat up blocks and hold his ground, not much more..

philfree
05-03-2012, 06:19 PM
Pick'in up Powe Poe's
And putting them in your pocket

Pick'in up Powe Poe's
And putting them in your pocket

Pick'in up Powe Poe's
And putting them in your pocket

Way down younder in the Poe Powe patch

BossChief
05-03-2012, 06:31 PM
It's gonna be a fun year as Poe gets blown up (occasionally) at the poa for most of his first year and hearing everyone that didn't want him to be the pick cry about it.

philfree
05-03-2012, 06:38 PM
It's gonna be a fun year as Poe gets blown up (occasionally) at the poa for most of his first year and hearing everyone that didn't want him to be the pick cry about it.

Yeah that'll be just swell.

jspchief
05-03-2012, 06:39 PM
It's gonna be a fun year as Poe gets blown up (occasionally) at the poa for most of his first year and hearing everyone that didn't want him to be the pick cry about it.

Really? It will fun watching one of our players play poorly because it might set up a later "gotcha" moment?

Intredasting.

saphojunkie
05-03-2012, 06:43 PM
Here's the problem with the overall rush defense ranking.

In total yards, they were rated 26th, but in YPA, they were rated in the upper half of the league.

That tells you that teams were often playing with a lead against the Chiefs, thus running the ball more, so the total number of yards is somewhat misleading.

The YPA atempt is a more telling stat to how this unit actually performed.

Except that, when the other team is way ahead, you KNOW that they are going to run the ball, so it makes it easier to keep the YPA low.

#everythingisconnected

JASONSAUTO
05-03-2012, 06:45 PM
Really? It will fun watching one of our players play poorly because it might set up a later "gotcha" moment?

Intredasting.
I didn't take what he said that way at all. Boss isn't rooting for one of our s to suck just to be right
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BossChief
05-03-2012, 06:49 PM
The guy is a player from Memphis that didn't have good coaching.

He will most likely struggle early.

If you're realistic, you expect him to.

I fully expect a lot of overreaction when he struggles because history shows most fans aren't realistic.

Who knows...maybe Romeo will squeeze every drop of talent out of the kid early on and he ends up an impact okay at the nose.

Sure would be nice, but I don't expect that.

BossChief
05-03-2012, 06:54 PM
I didn't take what he said that way at all. Boss isn't rooting for one of our s to suck just to be right
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Pretty much.

I understand the learning curve of the position and even though I wasn't a fan of the pick, I acknowledge the ceiling for the player and am willing to be patient in his development and trust Romeo to get the most out of the kids talent... in time.

I bet it doesn't take more than a couple games of Poe struggling for the bust threads to start by those that didn't want him to be our pick in the first place and don't want to be "wrong".

Fruit Ninja
05-03-2012, 07:04 PM
Pretty much.

I understand the learning curve of the position and even though I wasn't a fan of the pick, I acknowledge the ceiling for the player and am willing to be patient in his development and trust Romeo to get the most out of the kids talent... in time.

I bet it doesn't take more than a couple games of Poe struggling for the bust threads to start by those that didn't want him to be our pick in the first place and don't want to be "wrong".

Gonna be just like Jackson, but Jackson i gave them a pass on sorta, because it was their first draft and the turnover was pretty late bringing in their guys. SO i can understand why they couldnt really be ready.

Anyways, ill like the pick as well as long as he pans out. haha if he dont, then its just a faster way to get rid of Pioli.

jspchief
05-03-2012, 07:11 PM
I didn't take what he said that way at all. Boss isn't rooting for one of our s to suck just to be right
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He said it was going to be fun.

To me, it would be fun to see Poe come out and rape. It would be fun to see our D in the top 5. Etc, etc.

I don't really care about internet "told you so" bullshit. More often than not, its contradictory to what you're supposed to be a fan of.

I hated the pick, and will be happy as hell if I'm wrong, but you can bet your ass someone will try and bring it up in the future.

Easy 6
05-03-2012, 07:17 PM
680 pounds of nose tackle to throw at teams, and Powe at the least, has already flashed real talent in the bigs, a very agile big man... he might even get most of the game reps at first.

We'll have some Dastardly short yardage, goal line packages, if nothing else.

Count Alex's Losses
05-03-2012, 07:29 PM
Only Chiefs fans would sit here and say "Powe has flashed real talent in the bigs" based on a handful of plays against preseason scrubs.

Jesus Christ.

jspchief
05-03-2012, 07:34 PM
Only Chiefs fans would sit here and say "Powe has flashed real talent in the bigs" based on a handful of plays against preseason scrubs.

Jesus Christ.

He also flashed in those 11 regular season snaps!!!1!1

chiefzilla1501
05-03-2012, 07:37 PM
He said it was going to be fun.

To me, it would be fun to see Poe come out and rape. It would be fun to see our D in the top 5. Etc, etc.

I don't really care about internet "told you so" bullshit. More often than not, its contradictory to what you're supposed to be a fan of.

I hated the pick, and will be happy as hell if I'm wrong, but you can bet your ass someone will try and bring it up in the future.

And idiots on this board are sure to judge him a bust because he's not a stud in his rookie season.

News flash. He's going to be brutally bad this year. In a rosy scenario, he's average next year. End of year 2 and beginning of year 3 is the true benchmark.

But people are going to do it. The same way they beat the crap out of Tyson Jackson because he wasn't a star right away. Hell, there are still people who are dumb to realize that he's actually a pretty solid player.

Count Alex's Losses
05-03-2012, 07:39 PM
He also flashed in those 11 regular season snaps!!!1!1

Who flashed more, Jerrell Powe or Jalil Brown?

Count Alex's Losses
05-03-2012, 07:39 PM
Hell, there are still people who are dumb to realize that he's actually a pretty solid player.

Oh yeah, we're just plain dumb for realizing he never did shit in college.

Easy 6
05-03-2012, 07:41 PM
-yawn, scratch-

I know nothing, they'll both be utter & complete garbage, you WIN *cigar*.

Feel better now?

chiefzilla1501
05-03-2012, 07:42 PM
Oh yeah, we're just plain dumb for realizing he never did shit in college.

That comment was about Tyson Jackson.

Count Alex's Losses
05-03-2012, 07:48 PM
Oh, true.

True.

milkman
05-03-2012, 09:51 PM
He said it was going to be fun.

I'm almost certain that was sarcasm.

Inmem58
05-03-2012, 10:24 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/61473c72-4bda-f616.jpg

KCrockaholic
05-03-2012, 10:36 PM
I'm getting used to the idea of Poe.

I hope I'm wrong about him, but if he does turn out, he's gonna be a star. Major boom or bust guy like Baldwin was. But Poe has an even higher ceiling.

chiefzilla1501
05-03-2012, 10:54 PM
I'm getting used to the idea of Poe.

I hope I'm wrong about him, but if he does turn out, he's gonna be a star. Major boom or bust guy like Baldwin was. But Poe has an even higher ceiling.

I'm not a huge fan of the Baldwin pick. Poe, on the other hand... I feel a lot better about him, even if he's showed a whole lot less.

BossChief
05-03-2012, 10:58 PM
Baldwin is gonna be a star if we ever get good play from our quarterback.

Count Alex's Losses
05-03-2012, 11:01 PM
Baldwin is gonna be a star if we ever get good play from our quarterback.

And if he figures out how to catch.

aturnis
05-03-2012, 11:05 PM
Baldwin is gonna be a star if we ever get good play from our quarterback.

Glad someone thinks so. I'm with 'Zilla, and I was very against taking Poe. More I think about it though, the more I like the pick.

I personally don't have much confidence in Baldwin. Not unless he changes his attitude from last year. (reports during training camp that he sloughed off blocking and route running drills like it didnít matter)

Frankie
05-03-2012, 11:13 PM
I'm getting used to the idea of Poe.

I hope I'm wrong about him, but if he does turn out, he's gonna be a star. Major boom or bust guy like Baldwin was. But Poe has an even higher ceiling.

Absolutely. Baldwin will never be as good a NT that Poe is going to be.

chiefzilla1501
05-03-2012, 11:16 PM
Baldwin is gonna be a star if we ever get good play from our quarterback.

Orton isn't a terrible QB. He was getting other guys the ball. Telling that the Chiefs ran a lot of sets even with Orton in the game that didn't involve Baldwin.

I never thought he was a great route runner. I think he's a head case. And I think people confuse him being a workout warrior versus being a guy who likes to practice to better himself. I think he's too physically talented to not be at least adequate. But I don't see him being a Bowe type receiver. I sure hope the Chiefs aren't banking on him being Bowe's replacement.

DA_T_84
05-03-2012, 11:41 PM
And if he figures out how to catch.

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Count Alex's Losses
05-03-2012, 11:44 PM
One great catch doesn't invalidate the fact that he had almost the worst catch percentage in the entire freakin' league.

Dude was a drop factory.

BossChief
05-04-2012, 12:06 AM
Ever try catching the ball with a broken thumb that might not be fully healed?

He didn't have a problem with drops at Pittsburgh...he was known for his hands being very good.

Count Alex's Losses
05-04-2012, 12:19 AM
Ever try catching the ball with a broken thumb that might not be fully healed?

He didn't have a problem with drops at Pittsburgh...he was known for his hands being very good.

I don't care.

Last year he was a drop factory. Until proven otherwise, he's a drop factory.

htismaqe
05-04-2012, 07:29 AM
I don't care.

Last year he was a drop factory. Until proven otherwise, he's a drop factory.

Interesting that Bowe has a problem with drops and Baldwin, who never had issues with drops previously, had problems with drops.

Perhaps the issue is at QUARTERBACK rather than at WR.

htismaqe
05-04-2012, 07:30 AM
Orton isn't a terrible QB.

Stopped reading right there.

If Orton isn't a terrible QB, neither is Cassel.

Oh wait...

O.city
06-30-2012, 09:26 PM
Bump.



Now that some of the offseason stuff is over and we know a little more about Poe, what are the thoughts on this pick?

Mr. Laz
06-30-2012, 09:30 PM
Bump.



Now that some of the offseason stuff is over and we know a little more about Poe, what are the thoughts on this pick?
we won't know anything until we see him play against another team.

sounds like he's got a good attitude and is working hard though.

O.city
06-30-2012, 09:34 PM
we won't know anything until we see him play against another team.

sounds like he's got a good attitude and is working hard though.

I like that he seems to have a chip on his shoulder.


I agree though, we won't really know anything until the pads get on and people start hitting each other.

milkman
06-30-2012, 10:13 PM
I like that he seems to have a chip on his shoulder.


I agree though, we won't really know anything until the pads get on and people start hitting each other.

The likelyhood that we have more than an idea before his second season is minimal, at best.

BossChief
07-01-2012, 02:21 AM
I expect him to get blown up a lot as a rookie..but flash toward the end of the year.

Starting his second year, I think we will see some real potential.

Third year on, he will rape faces if Romeo is still here.

LOCOChief
07-01-2012, 05:42 AM
He will be a effective from game one on. He's a NT, not a QB.

SNR
07-01-2012, 06:40 AM
Damn it, he's a nose tackle, not a bricklayer

griZZly64
07-01-2012, 06:57 AM
I think Poe will turn out the be a genius pick

Mr. Laz
07-01-2012, 11:12 AM
I think Poe will turn out the be a genius pick

I hope to hell you're correct

If he can control a double team and still push the LOS back a yard or so it will help us a ton on defense. Crennel will be freed up to be more aggressive with the outside blitzes if he knows that the center is secured.

Tribal Warfare
07-01-2012, 11:50 AM
The guy HAS to be at least a Casey Hampton/ Ted Washington type of NT to justify the pick.

Wilson8
07-01-2012, 01:20 PM
Chiefs need to get Poe signed. Seems like a 4 year $11 million to $11.5 million would be about right.

Players around the Chiefs 11th pick have been signed -


9. Luke Kuechly LB, Carolina - Signed Four years, $12.58 million

10. Stephon Gilmore CB, Buffalo - Signed Four years, $12.1 million

11. Dontari Poe DT, Kansas City - Unsigned

12. Fletcher Cox DT, Philadelphia - Signed Four years, $10.241 million
- includes a $5.888 million signing bonus, according to a league source with knowledge of the deal. The deal includes base salaries of $390,000, $855,509, $1.321 million and $1.786 million.

13. Michael Floyd WR, Arizona - Signed Four years, $10 million

14. Michael Brockers DT, St. Louis -Signed Four years, $9.52 million

15. Bruce Irvin DE, Seattle - Signed Four years, $9.34 million


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d828f4621/article/contract-status-for-2012-nfl-draft-firstround-picks

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=793683-eagles-financials-for-fletcher-cox

Saccopoo
07-01-2012, 04:19 PM
The guy HAS to be at least a Casey Hampton/ Ted Washington type of NT to justify the pick.

He's not going to be Ted Washington. Ted was an absolute freak of nature when you combine his size, athleticism and leverage.

I still see Poe ultimately ending up at the DE spot where his speed/strength will be better utilized in a Ngata type scenario. Pushing the end and letting Hali come off behind him would be terrifying.

Jackson/Powe/Poe in 2013 would be my prediction.

Tribal Warfare
07-01-2012, 04:56 PM
He's not going to be Ted Washington. Ted was an absolute freak of nature when you combine his size, athleticism and leverage.

.

No joke but he needs to be at least be in that mold hence the Hampton comparison too, which were two starting prototypical NTs in play for SB winning teams.

Count Alex's Losses
07-10-2012, 02:31 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QmydS.jpg

Frankie
07-10-2012, 02:45 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QmydS.jpg

Looks like Poe is being held here. DAMN DONKEYS!!! :cuss:

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-10-2012, 03:24 PM
Agreed.

I guess we could have taken a fucking guard. Then we'd have the best line ever for Cassel to shit his pants behind.

I don't hate the pick. At least we tried for the most important position in a 3-4 instead of taking the safe pick in a fucking guard or another d end.

LMAO

True. But, how can a guy who played D-line and is supposedly the Great GM of our time make such a poor pick in T-Jack? I question Pioli's talent and/or objectivity in this department.
And in the QB department of course.

Buckweath
07-10-2012, 03:35 PM
He's not going to be Ted Washington. Ted was an absolute freak of nature when you combine his size, athleticism and leverage.

I still see Poe ultimately ending up at the DE spot where his speed/strength will be better utilized in a Ngata type scenario. Pushing the end and letting Hali come off behind him would be terrifying.

Jackson/Powe/Poe in 2013 would be my prediction.

You only let Dorsey go if Dontari Poe has a very good rookie season IMO. The guy has been a solid player for this team. Powe on the other hand might never amount to much. And I am pretty sure that Romeo Crennell wants Poe to be the nose tackle, despite what we have seen of Ngata in Baltimore.

Buckweath
07-10-2012, 03:41 PM
LMAO

True. But, how can a guy who played D-line and is supposedly the Great GM of our time make such a poor pick in T-Jack? I question Pioli's talent and/or objectivity in this department.
And in the QB department of course.

Come on now, the Chiefs have done great drafting the last few years. Tyson Jackson was solid last year and while unlikely, could still take the next step this season.

The 2009 draft was a poor draft, how many times does it have to be said. Look at the top 5-10 picks.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-10-2012, 04:01 PM
Come on now, the Chiefs have done great drafting the last few years. Tyson Jackson was solid last year and while unlikely, could still take the next step this season.

The 2009 draft was a poor draft, how many times does it have to be said. Look at the top 5-10 picks.

I'm talking about the D-line specifically. If it becomes a machine with Poe, great. If not, you have to question whether or not using/drafting two guys who came from the 4-3 as your foundation is the most brilliant move in talent composition evar.

whoman69
07-10-2012, 04:30 PM
We've been trying to find a tackle since Phillips and Saleamua hung up their spikes. We finally get one that might fit the bill and some want to turn him into another pedestrian five technique.