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Mecca
04-28-2012, 06:45 PM
So according to NFL network the Chiefs get the highest grade in the division and do a nice job...over on ESPN they are called one of the draft losers by Jaws and his little group, WTF?

The Dawg
04-28-2012, 06:46 PM
Meh. Talking heads.

Mecca
04-28-2012, 06:47 PM
I just thought it was odd to see such a huge difference in opinion.

KurtCobain
04-28-2012, 06:48 PM
Jaws doesn't know what he's talking about. NflN probably doesn't either, that's why I stopped cable and started depending on ChiefsPlanet experts.

evolve27
04-28-2012, 06:49 PM
I agree with espn

philfree
04-28-2012, 06:50 PM
I guess if they have their mind made up that Poe's a bust then they'd think our draft sucked.

ChiefsNow
04-28-2012, 06:50 PM
Jaws is a Quarterback guy. Like alot of people on this board bitching about getting a quarterback where there were few.

WildTurkey
04-28-2012, 06:51 PM
Jaws doesn't know what he's talking about. NflN probably doesn't either, that's why I stopped cable and started depending on ChiefsPlanet experts.

A few YouTube clips and WalterFootball's scouting reports are all you need ;)

KurtCobain
04-28-2012, 06:51 PM
I agree with espn

Yeah, well you're a fucking lame.

Fairplay
04-28-2012, 06:52 PM
Jaws doesn't know what he's talking about. NflN probably doesn't either, that's why I stopped cable and started depending on ChiefsPlanet experts.



A wise man indeed.

the Talking Can
04-28-2012, 06:53 PM
beauty is in the eye of...

Mecca
04-28-2012, 06:53 PM
Yea man Kirk Cousins would have really made this draft!

BCD
04-28-2012, 06:59 PM
I just thought it was odd to see such a huge difference in opinion.

It is.

Overall, I'm good with this draft.

Certainly better than 09 :)

KurtCobain
04-28-2012, 07:00 PM
Yea man Kirk Cousins would have really made this draft!

I need to know if this is sarcasm. If its not, I'm pissed we didn't get him!

Von Dumbass
04-28-2012, 07:01 PM
I still can't believe we made no effort to replace Cassel. I thought his contract was structured in a way that made it easy to cut ties with him after 3 years. Oh well, on the bright side, we only have three more years of Cassel.

Mecca
04-28-2012, 07:01 PM
It's sarcasm.

Mecca
04-28-2012, 07:01 PM
I still can't believe we made no effort to replace Cassel. I thought his contract was structured in a way that made it easy to cut ties with him after 3 years. Oh well, on the bright side, we only have three more years of Cassel.

This hC and OC love Brady Quinn he was their choice of a new QB to bring in over a draft pick.

KurtCobain
04-28-2012, 07:02 PM
It's sarcasm.

Oh, good. I was pretty sure he sucked.

ILChief
04-28-2012, 07:03 PM
This hC and OC love Brady Quinn he was their choice of a new QB to bring in over a draft pick.

I hope they love him enough to bench Cassel

Mecca
04-28-2012, 07:05 PM
I hope they love him enough to bench Cassel

Well this is the HC that drafted him and the OC is like his best friend.

ILChief
04-28-2012, 07:06 PM
Well this is the HC that drafted him and the OC is like his best friend.

Good. I think Quinn is a lot better than cassel

Guru
04-28-2012, 07:44 PM
Good. I think Quinn is a lot better than cassel

:banghead:

keg in kc
04-28-2012, 07:49 PM
It's basically all about Poe.

Psyko Tek
04-28-2012, 07:51 PM
Jaws doesn't know what he's talking about. NflN probably doesn't either, that's why I stopped cable and started depending on ChiefsPlanet experts.

Chiefsplanet
HOME OF THE WORLDS GREATEST DRAFTURBATORS

KC Tattoo
04-28-2012, 08:08 PM
I still can't believe we made no effort to replace Cassel. I thought his contract was structured in a way that made it easy to cut ties with him after 3 years. Oh well, on the bright side, we only have three more years of Cassel.

I'm hopeful yet that Stanzi takes over before midseason. Also think Brady Quinn can push the envelope to get rid of cASSel. Let the boos at Arrowhead poor down or empty seats to get the message across that we need to cut Cassel.

keg in kc
04-28-2012, 08:13 PM
I think Cassel's only still here because he was injured. A full season the way he was playing and he's gone right now. But he has a literal smörgåsbord of line and skill position talent assembled for him, so assuming he fails again there won't be any other shoulders to put it on, although the "nth OC in x years" will probably pop up. I think this is going to be his swan song, although I don't think we're going to see a QB drafted next year. I think we'll see another vet brought in.

KcMizzou
04-28-2012, 08:14 PM
The Stanzi fascination baffles me. I've never really thought of him as a legitimate option as a starter. (yes, even over Cassel)

ILChief
04-28-2012, 08:15 PM
I think Cassel's only still here because he was injured. A full season the way he was playing and he's gone right now. But he has a literal smörgåsbord of line and skill position talent assembled for him, so assuming he fails again there won't be any other shoulders to put it on, although the "nth OC in x years" will probably pop up. I think this is going to be his swan song, although I don't think we're going to see a QB drafted next year. I think we'll see another vet brought in.

The problem with vet QBs is that if they are good, their team keeps theM

ILChief
04-28-2012, 08:16 PM
The Stanzi fascination baffles me. I've never really thought of him as a legitimate option as a starter. (yes, even over Cassel)

Kiper loved him last year. I think the fascination is that he is our only hope right now

keg in kc
04-28-2012, 08:18 PM
The problem with vet QBs is that if they are good, their team keeps theIt's the problem with vets at basically any position now. Getting Winston for what we did was a real coup, assuming his release and subsequent surprisingly low contract aren't indicative of something bad we aren't aware of. But free agency (and trading) is largely supplemental now. You're not likely to build a successful team that way. You're basically stuck getting question-marks and elderly talent.

Best (and probably only) shot we have for a vet QB is a situation like Brees and Rivers in SD. But I have no idea where or who that might be.

KcMizzou
04-28-2012, 08:19 PM
Kiper loved him last year. I think the fascination is that he is our only hope right nowWe do love our backup QB's. (Usually until they actually play.)

Deberg_1990
04-28-2012, 08:20 PM
So according to NFL network the Chiefs get the highest grade in the division and do a nice job...over on ESPN they are called one of the draft losers by Jaws and his little group, WTF?

So your telling me the draft is a complete crapshoot and nobody really has a clue? I'm shocked.

keg in kc
04-28-2012, 08:20 PM
We do love our backup QB's.Is that why we have 3 of them?

PGM
04-28-2012, 08:20 PM
Mayock has better takes anyway.

morphius
04-28-2012, 08:24 PM
The Stanzi fascination baffles me. I've never really thought of him as a legitimate option as a starter. (yes, even over Cassel)
Young and unknown, versus old and known to suck. Then there is the, if he sucks at least he is cheap to replace and it would be easy to move on.

Coogs
04-28-2012, 08:31 PM
The Stanzi fascination baffles me. I've never really thought of him as a legitimate option as a starter. (yes, even over Cassel)

He made several plays in his limited time last preseason that give us all that think he can do it hope. Here is one...

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KC Tattoo
04-28-2012, 08:46 PM
Kiper loved him last year. I think the fascination is that he is our only hope right now

I like him that I think he can be damn good after seeing what he could do in college. He has a lot of qualities to be a prolific passer & QB play. He may throw extra INTs but his driving the ball down the field and producing TDs should make up for that, much like a younger Trent Green.

Guru
04-28-2012, 10:02 PM
Just open up the QB position to real competition. That is all any of ask.

milkman
04-28-2012, 10:06 PM
Wow.

People have differing opinions.

How bizarre.

kaplin42
04-28-2012, 10:16 PM
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ChiefsNow
04-28-2012, 10:27 PM
That's a song I really like , but don't have a clue what they are talking about.

ForeverChiefs58
04-28-2012, 10:34 PM
The Stanzi fascination baffles me. I've never really thought of him as a legitimate option as a starter. (yes, even over Cassel)


You remember Casse's biggest game; the playoff game against the Ravens? Whenever Cassel dropped back I would hold my breath and whisper please, please, please.
And this is what Stanzi can do:


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KC Tattoo
04-28-2012, 10:35 PM
That's a song I really like , but don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Wow how bizzare!

Fat Elvis
04-28-2012, 10:44 PM
Meh, the guys over at NFLN are just a bunch of true fans while the folks over at ESPN are a bunch of Pioli haters.

ForeverChiefs58
04-28-2012, 10:46 PM
Stanzius Maxiumus. He had a 5 INT game. Gets booed by everyone in the stands. Comes out in the 4th QT a different QB, lights it up and blows them away 42-24.

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Stanzis 5 interceptions:
1st quarter:
3-14-IA26(1:09) Ricky Stanzi was intercepted. Collin Taylor returned the interception for no gain.
3rd quarter:
1st drive:
1-10-IN42(12:20) Ricky Stanzi was intercepted. Austin Thomas returned the interception for no gain.
2nd drive:
3-8-IA12(8:53) Ricky Stanzi was intercepted. Donnell Jones returned the interception for 22 yards.

3-9-IA21(4:12) Ricky Stanzi was intercepted. Matt Mayberry returned the interception for no gain.

1-10-IN39(0:50) Ricky Stanzi was intercepted. Collin Taylor returned the interception for 39 yards.

4th quarter: 1st play of first drive

1-10-IA8(13:03) Touchdown. Ricky Stanzi passed to Marvin McNutt for 92 yards.

1st play of the 2nd drive in 4th quarter:
1-10-IA34(11:38) Touchdown. Ricky Stanzi passed to Derrell Johnson-Koulianos for 66 yards

3rd Drive:
1-10-IN45(10:39) Ricky Stanzi passed to Tony Moeaki for 19 yards. 1-10-IN26(10:09) Brandon Wegher rushed for 9 yards. 2-1-IN17(9:27) Brandon Wegher rushed for 3 yards. 1-10-IN14(8:57) Brandon Wegher rushed for 4 yards. 2-6-IN10(8:16) Brandon Wegher rushed for 4 yards. 3-2-IN6(7:34) Touchdown. Brandon Wegher rushed for 6 yards.

4th Drive:
1-10-IA34(5:09) Brandon Wegher rushed for 1 yard. 2-9-IA35(4:29) Brandon Wegher rushed for 5 yards. 3-4-IA40(3:46) Ricky Stanzi rushed for 10 yards. 1-10-50 (3:07) Brandon Wegher rushed for 5 yards. 2-5-IN45(2:57) Brandon Wegher rushed for 1 yard. 3-4-IN44(2:49) Ricky Stanzi rushed for 9 yards. 1-10-IN35(2:11) Brandon Wegher rushed for 7 yards. 2-3-IN28(1:25) Brandon Wegher rushed for 1 yard. 3-2-IN27(1:12) Touchdown. Brandon Wegher rushed for 27 yards. (1:12) Daniel Murray made the extra point.

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2012, 11:07 PM
The Stanzi fascination baffles me. I've never really thought of him as a legitimate option as a starter. (yes, even over Cassel)

There's a really big part of me that believes Stanzi fell for good reason. Scouts aren't stupid, especially when it comes to QB.

But there's another small part of me that never understood why he fell that low. Played a much more complex offense than a common spread guy, good enough size, good enough arm, not the most accurate guy but more accurate than Brady Quinn, and good character/leadership. I mean, Cousins scared the living shit out of me and he went a whole round higher than Stanzi. So yeah, I know it's irrational, but I still like Stanzi's chances even though I know I shouldn't.

KC Tattoo
04-28-2012, 11:09 PM
Well I'm not a fan of 3 & outs that make us punt all the time. I'd much rather have a QB able to take posessions down the field to give us drives that lead to a bunch of scoring opportunities even if he throws some INTs in a game. Out scoring the opponant is the name of the game. Not having scoring drives is the kill factor to victory.

KC Tattoo
04-28-2012, 11:11 PM
There's a really big part of me that believes Stanzi fell for good reason. Scouts aren't stupid, especially when it comes to QB.

But there's another small part of me that never understood why he fell that low. Played a much more complex offense than a common spread guy, good enough size, good enough arm, not the most accurate guy but more accurate than Brady Quinn, and good character/leadership. I mean, Cousins scared the living shit out of me and he went a whole round higher than Stanzi. So yeah, I know it's irrational, but I still like Stanzi's chances even though I know I shouldn't.

Stanzi was graded out in a much better QB class than this years draft class. Had Stanzi came out this year he sure would be a first or second rounder. JMO.

chiefzilla1501
04-28-2012, 11:16 PM
Stanzi was graded out in a much better QB class than this years draft class. Had Stanzi came out this year he sure would be a first or second rounder. JMO.

I don't know how I feel about that. I don't feel uncomfortable with him, whereas I never felt comfortable about Tannehill. I think he's better than Osweiler. There had to be something that made him drop. It's one of those drops that I don't think anybody can really, truly explain.

SNR
04-28-2012, 11:30 PM
Sweet. Another Stanzi thread. Make him famous.

STANZI 2012

Tribal Warfare
04-28-2012, 11:34 PM
Sweet. Another Stanzi thread. Make him famous.

STANZI 2012

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100730/ill-make-you-famous_320.jpg

why not :D

KC Tattoo
04-28-2012, 11:44 PM
I don't know how I feel about that. I don't feel uncomfortable with him, whereas I never felt comfortable about Tannehill. I think he's better than Osweiler. There had to be something that made him drop. It's one of those drops that I don't think anybody can really, truly explain.

Arron Rodgers drop down to i think the 24th pick and Alex Smith was picked first over all explain that. That's what we can't do is predict the draft 100% and figure it out. Each year there are boom or bust players get picked not where they should be it's just based on hope and luck to pan out.

BigRock
04-28-2012, 11:56 PM
That's a song I really like , but don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Pauly (RIP), Pele, and Zina are driving around in a '69 Chevy. It's a warm day. A cop pulls them over and asks that they get out. We don't know what offense they've committed, but it must not be too serious, as the cop quickly becomes more interested in the make of their car.

This is quite strange.

They continue on their drive. They aren't going anywhere specific, but they need to re-fuel. At the gas station, they see posters advertising the circus.

This is quite strange.

They go to the circus. The ringmaster announces that the elephants have escaped. The place is quickly overrun with media and law enforcement. Pauly, Pele, and Zina rush back to their car and drive away, heading towards lights in the distance. The adventure continues from there, but if you want to know more, you'll need to purchase the rights to the tale.

This is quite strange.

keg in kc
04-28-2012, 11:57 PM
Stanzi Stanzi he's our man, something something rhymes with spam.

rico
04-29-2012, 12:20 AM
I can understand a Mizzou fan being extremely skeptical about Stanzi considering his performance in the Iowa vs. Mizzou bowl game. Probably his worst game of his Senior season (that I can think of off the top of my head anyways).

scott free
04-29-2012, 12:42 AM
The Stanzi fascination baffles me. I've never really thought of him as a legitimate option as a starter. (yes, even over Cassel)

On admittedly limited viewing, Stanzi is a far more natural passer, if nothing else... thats worth my vote.

KC Tattoo
04-29-2012, 12:49 AM
I just think that if Stanzi can get fair playing time in preseason he can show that he can take over at some point once Cassel starts to fail and the crowd at Arrowhead call for his head. That's about what it's going to take for him to become our starter and get rid of Cassel. He also has to do better than Quinn as Quinn is Romeos boy from Cleveland. Stanzi did not get fair playing time last years preseason.

|Zach|
04-29-2012, 01:01 AM
Is it bizarre? Lots of people in the media...lots of opinions.

Joe Seahawk
04-29-2012, 01:06 AM
I actually love the Seahawks draft.. Some say we had the worst draft EVAR. meh.. we'll see

Demonpenz
04-29-2012, 01:10 AM
I wish the seahawks were still in the chiefs division, that way we could beat them a zillion times.

Joe Seahawk
04-29-2012, 01:15 AM
I wish the seahawks were still in the chiefs division, that way we could beat them a zillion times.

We will play you in the 3rd pre-season game. Cant wait..

Demonpenz
04-29-2012, 01:16 AM
Bart Scott?

Ugly Duck
04-29-2012, 01:53 AM
Scouts aren't stupid, especially when it comes to QB.

"The best Pro Day that I've ever seen was JaMarcus Russell," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said of the former No. 1 overall pick by the Raiders.

http://lebrondajameson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jamarcus-russell-e1278419443468.jpg

ChiefsNow
04-29-2012, 01:58 AM
I see where he got his numbers from.

BryanBusby
04-29-2012, 02:03 AM
"The best Pro Day that I've ever seen was JaMarcus Russell," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said of the former No. 1 overall pick by the Raiders.

http://lebrondajameson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jamarcus-russell-e1278419443468.jpg

It's not like scouts put a bottle of purple drank on the field to see if he'd drink it, or if he'd analyze the film with cartoons on it.

ILChief
04-29-2012, 06:39 AM
You remember Casse's biggest game; the playoff game against the Ravens? Whenever Cassel dropped back I would hold my breath and whisper please, please, please.
And this is what Stanzi can do:


<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7p9xT-7-UkU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Cassel would have dumped it off to pope for two yards

JD10367
04-29-2012, 06:39 AM
Analyzing the draft is like meeting a girl in a bar and deciding right there whether she'd make a good long-term wife. Tom Brady was panned. Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer were #2 overall picks (after Peyton Manning and Drew Bledsoe, respectively). JaFatass, mentioned above. There are so many wrong decisions made about quarterbacks it's not funny.

People clamor for Stanzi for one simple reason: he hasn't been given a chance. He could be nothing but Jim Sorgi. Or he could be Tom Brady. But they'll never know if they don't try him. Matt Cassel? Brady Quinn? They know what they have in those two: not much. On a good day, they can lead a team to a win; on a bad day, they can singlehandedly lose a game. That applies to most quarterbacks but, unlike the very good quarterbacks, Cassel and Quinn (like many other mediocre QBs) can't overcome many obstacles (like turnovers) or make average players look great, or actually lead a team (i.e. be a leader).

Yes, it's possible to win a Super Bowl with mediocrity (e.g. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson). But there's no coincidence that this is the list of the past 20+ years of SB QBs. Note the red years, in which IMO both QBs weren't very good (hence the reason a Dilfer-type won). Note the green names, which seem to repeat. Note the blue names, who are quality one-time winners on this list.



XXIV (1989): Winner, Joe Montana; Loser, John Elway
XXV (1990): Winner, Jeff Hostetler; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVI (1991): Winner, Mark Rypien; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVII (1992): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVIII (1993): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXIX (1994): Winner, Steve Young; Loser, Stan Humphries
XXX (1995): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Neil O'Donnell
XXXI (1996): Winner, Brett Favre; Loser, Drew Bledsoe
XXXII (1997): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Brett Favre
XXXIII (1998): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Chris Chandler
XXXIV (1999): Winner, Kurt Warner; Loser, Steve McNair
XXXV (2000): Winner, Trent Dilfer; Loser, Kerry Collins
XXXVI (2001): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Kurt Warner
XXXVII (2002): Winner, Brad Johnson; Loser, Rich Gannon
XXXVIII (2003): Winnner, Tom Brady; Loser, Jake Delhomme
XXXVIX (2004): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Donovan McNabb
XL (2005): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Matt Hasselbeck
XLI (2006): Winner, Peyton Manning; Loser, Rex Grossman
XLII (2007): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady
XLIII (2008): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Kurt Warner
XLIV (2009): Winner, Drew Brees; Loser, Peyton Manning
XLV (2010): Winner, Aaron Rodgers; Loser, Ben Roethlisberger
XLVI (2011): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady

23 years. 46 participants.

Elway: 3
Kelly: 4
Aikman: 3
Favre: 2
Warner: 3
Brady: 5
Roethlisberger: 3
P. Manning: 2
E. Manning: 2

That list of 9, probably all headed for Canton, comprises 27 of 46 (over half).

In 10 years (89-98), Elway, Kelly, Favre, and Aikman took 12 of 20 spots (with 1 to Montana and 1 to Young as well).

In 13 more recent years (99-11), Warner, Brady, Roethlisberger, P. Manning, and E. Manning took 15 of 26 spots (with 1 to Brees and 1 to Rodgers as well).

And you can even make a case that some of the black-font losers (Bledsoe, McNair, McNabb) are excellent QBs and, with a break here or there, would be in Canton as well.

You can win without a great quarterback. But the odds aren't good. Hence, people want to know if Stanzi is going to be the 10th guy on that list, or a perennial benchwarmer. And you can't find out if you don't play him.

beach tribe
04-29-2012, 06:49 AM
It's just like here. Sitters on both sides.
I don't value their opinions any more than posters here.
Less actually.

Chiefshrink
04-29-2012, 06:58 AM
Meh. Talking heads.

Precisely :thumb:

scho63
04-29-2012, 07:04 AM
Cassel would have dumped it off to pope for two yards

Or better yet, a screen pass to the other team! LMAO

Ace Gunner
04-29-2012, 07:54 AM
"The best Pro Day that I've ever seen was JaMarcus Russell," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said of the former No. 1 overall pick by the Raiders.

http://lebrondajameson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jamarcus-russell-e1278419443468.jpg

there is nobody better at hyping the new sissy league better than mike mayack

jspchief
04-29-2012, 08:01 AM
I hope they love him enough to bench Cassel

I do too. I hope it happens in preseason and becomes a battle between Quinn and Stanzi.

I don't need another year of giving Cassel a chance to show just enough to make the coaches cling to a 9 win season by leaving him in.

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:14 AM
So according to NFL network the Chiefs get the highest grade in the division and do a nice job...over on ESPN they are called one of the draft losers by Jaws and his little group, WTF?

Pretty simple... the NFL Network is in bed with Clark Hunt's efforts to do everything possible to create the illusion the Chiefs are on an upward track towards a good season this year. The NFL Network is in bed with Clark's strategy in the name of selling tickets.

ESPN doesn't give a shit about this and is telling it like it is.

milkman
04-29-2012, 08:17 AM
Pretty simple... the NFL Network is in bed with Clark Hunt's efforts to do everything possible to create the illusion the Chiefs are on an upward track towards a good season this year. The NFL Network is in bed with Clark's strategy in the name of selling tickets.

ESPN doesn't give a shit about this and is telling it like it is.

I was really done with responding to your idiocy, but god damn.

Holy shit.

LMAO

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:21 AM
I was really done with responding to your idiocy, but god damn.

Holy shit.

LMAO

The drooling old bag of shit continues to insert himself farther up Fat Scott's ass.

SNR
04-29-2012, 08:22 AM
Pretty simple... the NFL Network is in bed with Clark Hunt's efforts to do everything possible to create the illusion the Chiefs are on an upward track towards a good season this year. The NFL Network is in bed with Clark's strategy in the name of selling tickets.

ESPN doesn't give a shit about this and is telling it like it is.

http://www.gadgetrivia.com/photos/o/36576-best_cuckoo_clock.jpg

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:27 AM
I was really done with responding to your idiocy, but god damn.

Holy shit.

LMAO

You are too old and senile to probably comprehend this, but don't you find it odd that the NFL Network is the only entity giving the Chiefs positive reviews for this year's draft? ESPN, CBS Sportsline the usually homer KC Star, etc. are all giving the Chiefs mediocre reviews for their draft.

You are clearly too much of an old dumbshit to see the bigger picture.

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:28 AM
The old dumbshit better hope that his new grandkid doesn't inherit his dumbshit genes.

SNR
04-29-2012, 08:29 AM
You are too old and senile to probably comprehend this, but don't you find it odd that the NFL Network is the only entity giving the Chiefs positive reviews for this year's draft? ESPN, CBS Sportsline the usually homer KC Star, etc. are all giving the Chiefs mediocre reviews for their draft.

You are clearly too much of an old dumbshit to see the bigger picture.LMAO LMAO

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:34 AM
It never gets old...

Hamas, if you're reading this, **** "honor" and all this meaningless crap. Nobody gives a shit if you keep your word, and everybody here wants you back posting.

The draft forum needs you. The drafturbators need you. You are a source of truth for a team that still thinks Super Bowls can be won with Trent Dilfer clones at QB.

Please don't do this to yourself.- SNR, 1/8/2012
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8277757&postcount=68

You and your boyfriend Hamas:

http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/dontari-poe-kissing-goodell-480x360.jpg

SNR
04-29-2012, 08:38 AM
50/50, tell me why NFL Network thinks the Chiefs had a good draft again?

Is it because of
CONSPIRACY??????

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUNN!!!!!!!
LMAO

Dick Bull
04-29-2012, 08:41 AM
The old dumbshit better hope that his new grandkid doesn't inherit his dumbshit genes.

I wonder what is your motivation?

Is it to be taken seriously or to be confrontational?

In my opinion, you'd get more of the former if you did less of the latter.

milkman
04-29-2012, 08:42 AM
50/50, tell me why NFL Network thinks the Chiefs had a good draft again?

Is it because of
CONSPIRACY??????

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUNN!!!!!!!
LMAO

It's clearly a conspiracy.

How can there be any doubt?

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli called Mike Mayock and told him who the players were that they were targeting so that he could place them in his top 100 prior to the draft.

COchief
04-29-2012, 08:42 AM
http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/dontari-poe-kissing-goodell-480x360.jpg

Wow, that's a really gay pic. I'm going to pretend it's photoshopped for my own well being.

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:42 AM
50/50, tell me why NFL Network thinks the Chiefs had a good draft again?

Is it because of
CONSPIRACY??????

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUNN!!!!!!!
LMAO

Did you have sex with Hamas again last night?

You appear to be even more giddy than usual this morning.

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:47 AM
It's clearly a conspiracy.

How can there be any doubt?

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli called Mike Mayock and told him who the players were that they were targeting so that he could place them in his top 100 prior to the draft.

Mike Mayock is paid by the NFL last I checked.

The NFL is in the business of helping their franchises sell tickets and will use every possible means... NFL Network included to do that.

Virtually every other media outlet... ESPN, CBS Sportsline, the KC Star that have NFL draft grades out have given the Chiefs mediocre reviews. The only entity giving the Chiefs positive reviews is owned and operated by the NFL.

Coincidence?

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:48 AM
Wow, that's a really gay pic. I'm going to pretend it's photoshopped for my own well being.

It is really a picture of SNR french kissing Hamas as SNR counts down the days and hours when Hamas' self imposed one year exile ends.

boogblaster
04-29-2012, 08:49 AM
both sides are right .. our 1st was a needed .. the rest are a toss-up .. it's a hopeful draft for every team .. who knows what a player can be .. none are a given .....

milkman
04-29-2012, 08:51 AM
So, the NFL Network gave every team a high grade right?

SNR
04-29-2012, 08:55 AM
Mike Mayock is paid by the NFL last I checked.

The NFL is in the business of helping their franchises sell tickets and will use every possible means... NFL Network included to do that.

Virtually every other media outlet... ESPN, CBS Sportsline, the KC Star that have NFL draft grades out have given the Chiefs mediocre reviews. The only entity giving the Chiefs positive reviews is owned and operated by the NFL.

Coincidence?Use some of that 50/50 hindsight of yours to see the truth

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 08:56 AM
So, the NFL Network gave every team a high grade right?

Not every NFL team has an owner on the NFL Digital Media Committee who is overseeing an organization struggling to sell tickets.

milkman
04-29-2012, 08:59 AM
Not every NFL team has an owner on the NFL Digital Media Committee who is overseeing an organization struggling to sell tickets.

Oh, so the NFL doesn't want to sell tickets in those cities where owners aren't sitting on the media committee.

Got it.

SNR
04-29-2012, 08:59 AM
Not every NFL team has an owner on the NFL Digital Media Committee who is overseeing an organization struggling to sell tickets.Did the Jaguars get a good grade by NFL Network?

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2012, 09:07 AM
Did the Jaguars get a good grade by NFL Network?

They gave Jacksonville a B and praised their pick of drafting a punter (the earliest a punter has been drafted since 1995)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d828b801e/2012-NFL-Draft-Grades-AFC-South?module=HP11_cp

Jacksonville's draft was pretty much destroyed every where else, except on the NFL Network.

The selection of a punter in the third round was destroyed as well:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/57873/a-punter-jaguars-reached-in-third-round

ForeverChiefs58
04-29-2012, 10:32 AM
Usually former players tend to stick up for teams they played for. It seems though that Jaws likes to throw the Chiefs under the bus a little too much. I have noticed he does that for a long time. Seemed like he enjoyed to take jabs at Marty and Chiefs in general even when we were competitive. Shame.

Anyone with an interest in the Chiefs understands we are drafting very well and getting a very competitive roster. Even with missing at QB, his ceiling could very well be an Alex Smith- 49er type season, which is still better than most teams.

alanm
04-29-2012, 10:42 AM
Jaws doesn't know what he's talking about. NflN probably doesn't either, that's why I stopped cable and started depending on ChiefsPlanet experts.Wise man. :)

Cave Johnson
04-29-2012, 11:02 AM
Wow, that's a really gay pic. I'm going to pretend it's photoshopped for my own well being.

That's our "beastly" NT.

Dick Bull
04-29-2012, 11:06 AM
Wow, that's a really gay pic. I'm going to pretend it's photoshopped for my own well being.

I'm surprised that there isn't a caption thread for it.

beach tribe
04-29-2012, 12:38 PM
Pretty simple... the NFL Network is in bed with Clark Hunt's efforts to do everything possible to create the illusion the Chiefs are on an upward track towards a good season this year. The NFL Network is in bed with Clark's strategy in the name of selling tickets.

ESPN doesn't give a shit about this and is telling it like it is.

:facepalm:

beach tribe
04-29-2012, 12:40 PM
Not every NFL team has an owner on the NFL Digital Media Committee who is overseeing an organization struggling to sell tickets.
:LOL:please keep it coming..

beach tribe
04-29-2012, 12:41 PM
Gotta go get rid of my sig gifs. Someone's gonna have a seizure.

DTLB58
04-29-2012, 12:48 PM
So according to NFL network the Chiefs get the highest grade in the division and do a nice job...over on ESPN they are called one of the draft losers by Jaws and his little group, WTF?

It went that way pretty much all they way through the draft as I switched back and forth pick by pick. Espn dissed us, while NFLN applauded us.

Even Lombardi, who last year said he was looking forward to watching the Chiefs come back to reality in 2011 after '10. Yesterday said, I expect them to make the playoffs this coming season.

It kinda sucked cause I liked listening to Polian, but NFLN was doing a much better job of actually covering the picks (especially in the later rounds) and showing highlights right after the player was taken. :thumb:

Mr. Arrowhead
04-29-2012, 12:53 PM
NFL Network also was saying we are easily a playoff team this year

Mr. Arrowhead
04-29-2012, 12:54 PM
So, the NFL Network gave every team a high grade right?

think the lowest i saw was a D, but cant remember the team tho

DTLB58
04-29-2012, 12:59 PM
It's hard for most people to see the big picture when it comes to the draft and building a football team in general. They want to see all starters taken.
Well, besides the NT position, the Chiefs front office doesn't really feel they need to replace any starters so they went for depth. I think some of us knew that going in and some just weren't happy with the particular choice of player and that's kool, cause everyone has a right to their opinion.

But to not get the big picture and just think we should be drafting starters in every round is ludicrous.

We are not acquiring talent, we are building a team. -Bill Belichik

DTLB58
04-29-2012, 01:01 PM
think the lowest i saw was a D, but cant remember the team tho

Lombardi gave the Colts a C

WTF?!

DTLB58
04-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Just open up the QB position to real competition. That is all any of ask.

:thumb:

Ultra Peanut
04-29-2012, 03:04 PM
Meh. Talking heads.

http://i.imgur.com/MZLP5.gif

tredadda
04-30-2012, 07:50 AM
Analyzing the draft is like meeting a girl in a bar and deciding right there whether she'd make a good long-term wife. Tom Brady was panned. Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer were #2 overall picks (after Peyton Manning and Drew Bledsoe, respectively). JaFatass, mentioned above. There are so many wrong decisions made about quarterbacks it's not funny.

People clamor for Stanzi for one simple reason: he hasn't been given a chance. He could be nothing but Jim Sorgi. Or he could be Tom Brady. But they'll never know if they don't try him. Matt Cassel? Brady Quinn? They know what they have in those two: not much. On a good day, they can lead a team to a win; on a bad day, they can singlehandedly lose a game. That applies to most quarterbacks but, unlike the very good quarterbacks, Cassel and Quinn (like many other mediocre QBs) can't overcome many obstacles (like turnovers) or make average players look great, or actually lead a team (i.e. be a leader).

Yes, it's possible to win a Super Bowl with mediocrity (e.g. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson). But there's no coincidence that this is the list of the past 20+ years of SB QBs. Note the red years, in which IMO both QBs weren't very good (hence the reason a Dilfer-type won). Note the green names, which seem to repeat. Note the blue names, who are quality one-time winners on this list.



XXIV (1989): Winner, Joe Montana; Loser, John Elway
XXV (1990): Winner, Jeff Hostetler; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVI (1991): Winner, Mark Rypien; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVII (1992): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVIII (1993): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXIX (1994): Winner, Steve Young; Loser, Stan Humphries
XXX (1995): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Neil O'Donnell
XXXI (1996): Winner, Brett Favre; Loser, Drew Bledsoe
XXXII (1997): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Brett Favre
XXXIII (1998): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Chris Chandler
XXXIV (1999): Winner, Kurt Warner; Loser, Steve McNair
XXXV (2000): Winner, Trent Dilfer; Loser, Kerry Collins
XXXVI (2001): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Kurt Warner
XXXVII (2002): Winner, Brad Johnson; Loser, Rich Gannon
XXXVIII (2003): Winnner, Tom Brady; Loser, Jake Delhomme
XXXVIX (2004): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Donovan McNabb
XL (2005): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Matt Hasselbeck
XLI (2006): Winner, Peyton Manning; Loser, Rex Grossman
XLII (2007): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady
XLIII (2008): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Kurt Warner
XLIV (2009): Winner, Drew Brees; Loser, Peyton Manning
XLV (2010): Winner, Aaron Rodgers; Loser, Ben Roethlisberger
XLVI (2011): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady

23 years. 46 participants.

Elway: 3
Kelly: 4
Aikman: 3
Favre: 2
Warner: 3
Brady: 5
Roethlisberger: 3
P. Manning: 2
E. Manning: 2

That list of 9, probably all headed for Canton, comprises 27 of 46 (over half).

In 10 years (89-98), Elway, Kelly, Favre, and Aikman took 12 of 20 spots (with 1 to Montana and 1 to Young as well).

In 13 more recent years (99-11), Warner, Brady, Roethlisberger, P. Manning, and E. Manning took 15 of 26 spots (with 1 to Brees and 1 to Rodgers as well).

And you can even make a case that some of the black-font losers (Bledsoe, McNair, McNabb) are excellent QBs and, with a break here or there, would be in Canton as well.

You can win without a great quarterback. But the odds aren't good. Hence, people want to know if Stanzi is going to be the 10th guy on that list, or a perennial benchwarmer. And you can't find out if you don't play him.

Impressive post! I agree with you 100%

Chiefnj2
04-30-2012, 07:58 AM
Well, besides the NT position, the Chiefs front office doesn't really feel they need to replace any starters so they went for depth.

Yet they were completely blown out of 5 games last year, and couldn't break 20 points in a single game the last 9 games of the year.

Joe Seahawk
04-30-2012, 08:05 AM
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