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Sorter
04-28-2012, 11:12 PM
If tl;dr I can provide Cliffs later.

1. Dontari Poe-NT Memphis
- NOt a huge fan of Poe based on what I saw from his play at Memphis. That being said, I recognize his athletic ability and potential. He just didn't show much on film to me imo. I would have preferred Brockers or a trade down, but to me this is much better than taking Kuechly or DeCastro.

2. Jeff Allen- OG IL
- Wow, Allen looks like he could immediately start over Lilja and provide an immediate upgrade. We'll likely have him sit this year, but looks to be an excellent fit with out zone blocking system. Helps solidify our O-line with a young, excellent nucleus of Allen, Hudson, and Asamoah.

3. Donald Stephensen- OT OU
-Another OL pick early, which could be used as a swing tackle or potentially Albert's replacement. Seems to have quicker feet imo from watching his combine drills and seems pretty athletic. OU only gave up 11 sacks last year IIRC, so he should be a pretty solid pass-protecter. Haven't watched any film yet but I trust Scott's judgement on OL picks since draftin Asamoah, Hudson and Allen.

4. Devon Wylie- WR Fresno State
-Is only 5'9 and looks to be exclusively used in the slot. Was really hoping for Joe Adams from AK who was snagged 2 picks earlier by Carolina. Is pretty injury prone but has good speed and runs solid routes. Can provide on returns and probably helps signal the future end of the DMC era.

5. DeQuan Menzie- CB/S Alabama
- Love this pick! Fits perfectly for our 2-3-6 scheme with 3 safeties, can play man or zone. Little small, but looks like a fantastic fit and a huge upgrade over Washington, Langford, McGraw, and Sabby Pisthebed.

6. Cyrus Gray-RB Texas A&M
-Like this pick as well for its value. PLenty had Gray pegged earlier and we were able to pick up a back who can block, catch, and runs pretty well. Again, probably solidifies the idea Hillis is a one year rental and will steal snaps from DMC.

7. Jerome Long-DE San Diego State
-Literally know nothing about this pick, other than he projects as a 5-tech DE for us who can be used inside on passing downs. Had 5 sacks IIRC last year, so that is a plus. Would have preferred Minnifield or Alfonzo Denard, who went off the board later to NE.

7. Jr. Hemingway-WR UM
-Looks to contribute on special teams and possibly take Terrence Coppers job in the future if he can make the team. Has pretty good speed and is large for being 6'1 (225lbs). There was still some talent left on the board IMO, would have preferred Brewster to back up Hudson, but am okay with the pick.

Overall, I give us a B. I was initially furious at the Poe pick and am still pretty pissed we didn't address another pass-rusher. I was pissed thinking that we had gone true fan the first 3 picks and bitter that Broyles was gone. Joe Adams going right before us was a bummer for me too. We needed to pick up another pass-rusher though; if Tamba goes down this year, we are fucked. However, I love the Allen and Menzie picks. Think those two have a chance to contribute early and often.

Micjones
05-01-2012, 09:11 AM
As weird as it may sound, I am most excited about what Cyrus Gray will contribute in year one. I think he can contribute immediately.

TRR
05-01-2012, 09:19 AM
Statistically Brockers didn't produce that much more than Poe in college.

Wylie should be the kick and punt return guy immediately. He should make Copper expendable. I don't think Wylie will help much at WR.

I like the Gray, Menzie and Hemmingway picks. I would have looked elsewhere in round 3 and 7 replacing Stephenson and Long. I'm nervous about Stephenson's background and only two years of starters experience. Jerome Long was a big reach....but its the 7th round.
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htismaqe
05-01-2012, 09:36 AM
Statistically Brockers didn't produce that much more than Poe in college.

Wylie should be the kick and punt return guy immediately. He should make Copper expendable. I don't think Wylie will help much at WR.

I like the Gray, Menzie and Hemmingway picks. I would have looked elsewhere in round 3 and 7 replacing Stephenson and Long. I'm nervous about Stephenson's background and only two years of starters experience. Jerome Long was a big reach....but its the 7th round.
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Copper is a valuable blocker on ST and also plays on coverage units. Wylie isn't pushing him out, they do two different things.

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 09:46 AM
I keep hearing how valuable Copper is on special teams and I gotta say - I don't see it.

I'm a ST holder so I probably see a fair amount more STs stuff than most folks at home do. Ultimately Copper isn't a bad special teamer, but the idea that he's this standout guy is just odd to me. It's not like he's Gary Stills out there. And ultimately our special teams are generally average so he's not exactly the glue holding an elite unit together.

He's just another guy. But coach-speak has identified him as a special teams warrior or something so fans bite.

The Chiefs could lose him and not miss a beat.

Direckshun
05-01-2012, 10:20 AM
Well it can go a couple ways.

First of all, I believe that Copper's a standout on special teams, so there's that.

I also believe it's important for the locker room to have a core of guys who treasure playing on special teams.

TRR
05-01-2012, 10:22 AM
Copper is a valuable blocker on ST and also plays on coverage units. Wylie isn't pushing him out, they do two different things.

Wylie will play on coverage units as he did in college. Anyone can be assigned the blocking duties. If your prediction is correct than Wylie will have a tough time making the active roster with Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Copper, (and possibly) McCluster up nearly every week.
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Chiefnj2
05-01-2012, 10:30 AM
Copper had three tackles last year.

Dicky McElephant
05-01-2012, 10:57 AM
I would rather see Hemingway stick at WR than Copper.

Bowe
Baldwin
Breaston
Wylie
Hemingway

Frosty
05-01-2012, 11:07 AM
I would rather see Hemingway stick at WR than Copper.

Bowe
Baldwin
Breaston
Wylie
Hemingway

Haley always seemed to go light on TE and/or RB and heavy on WR. I wonder if RAC will keep 5 or 6 WR?

SNR
05-01-2012, 11:09 AM
I can't wait for Copper to make the 53-man roster this fall and for all of you to bitch like crazy.

"WHAT?! How does he keep fucking doing this? He's terrible? Why can't we get rid of this guy?!"

I'll be trolling your asses off LA Chieffan-style.

DaKCMan AP
05-01-2012, 11:16 AM
Haley always seemed to go light on TE and/or RB and heavy on WR. I wonder if RAC will keep 5 or 6 WR?

3QB
4RB
5WR
3TE
9OL
1K
1P
1LS
9DL
8LB
10DB

Chiefnj2
05-01-2012, 11:20 AM
I can't wait for Copper to make the 53-man roster this fall and for all of you to bitch like crazy.

"WHAT?! How does he keep ****ing doing this? He's terrible? Why can't we get rid of this guy?!"

I'll be trolling your asses off LA Chieffan-style.

So if he makes the team and continues to have a marginal, if any, impact then you'll be happy?

Frosty
05-01-2012, 11:26 AM
3QB
4RB
5WR
3TE
9OL
1K
1P
1LS
9DL
8LB
10DB


Is that Crennel's typical breakdown?

I could see Maneri being a hybrid TE/OL, which would free a roster spot.

htismaqe
05-01-2012, 11:35 AM
Wylie will play on coverage units as he did in college. Anyone can be assigned the blocking duties. If your prediction is correct than Wylie will have a tough time making the active roster with Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Copper, (and possibly) McCluster up nearly every week.
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I fully expect Wylie to end up on the practice squad. He doesn't have enough tenure to make the team.

Frosty
05-01-2012, 11:38 AM
I fully expect Wylie to end up on the practice squad. He doesn't have enough tenure to make the team.

I really doubt they will expose a 4th round pick to waivers. If he isn't going to make the team this year, I would expect that he will suffer "an injury" ala Gabe Miller.

buddha
05-01-2012, 11:49 AM
I can't wait for Copper to make the 53-man roster this fall and for all of you to bitch like crazy.

"WHAT?! How does he keep ****ing doing this? He's terrible? Why can't we get rid of this guy?!"

I'll be trolling your asses off LA Chieffan-style.

Means nothing SNR. These are the Chiefs...the organization that employed f'ing William Bartee forever. That didn't make him good...he sucked ass.

Copper is no better than average regardless of whether he makes the final roster. You really don't think Copper couldn't easily be replaced...?

This draft is at least a "B"...if not a bit better.

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 11:55 AM
I can't wait for Copper to make the 53-man roster this fall and for all of you to bitch like crazy.

"WHAT?! How does he keep fucking doing this? He's terrible? Why can't we get rid of this guy?!"

I'll be trolling your asses off LA Chieffan-style.

Can't generate any feeling one way or the other towards the 50th guy on the roster.

If he makes it - eh, we're unlikely to be cutting the next Victor Cruz to keep him. If he doesn't - well that's fine, too.

I just get a kick out of this special teams ace status that he's been given. Seriously - there's nothing special about what he does out there. Every single team in the league has a guy like him and there are dozens more out on waivers. He's a guy that coaches like to have around because he tries hard and listens well. Guys like that kinda need a justification to stick around because they don't really contribute elsewhere.

So suddenly they get the ST ace tag.

He's just a guy. He's as replaceable as anyone on the roster. Though ultimately whoever we keep over him is 90% likely to just as replaceable - so I don't really care either way.

SNR
05-01-2012, 12:11 PM
So if he makes the team and continues to have a marginal, if any, impact then you'll be happy?Where is his replacement coming from, dude? Hmm? Where is it?

You all said it was Verran Tucker last year. Oh, you mean the chump who still hasn't found a job in the NFL in spite of having starting experience as a WR in 2010?

In 2009 it was Ashley Lelie, which started this whole fucking faux obsession of mine. "Lelie is waaaay better than Copper! What the hell?!" you all said. Oh, you mean the guy who has been out of the NFL for 3+ years?

Copper is given a small job to do and he does it well. DJ'sLN says his special teams ace status is far overblown. I don't think he's an ace necessarily, but that's his thing. That's what he does, and he's good at it. Not only that, but he's a far better 4th/5th WR than anybody else we've put out there. Ever notice how when we get a new QB in the game it's Copper who seems to be the first guy to gel with him on offense? Orton sure did like him last year.

Feel free to chastise me with questions like, "So you're okay with shit, huh?" The fact is, I would welcome an upgrade over Copper, sure. When is that going to happen, though? Hmm? When? Who?

Who's going to beat Terrance Copper? He was supposed to be a training camp cut in 2009.

Why isn't Terrance Copper gone, yet? What's the matter? Must be that the coaching staff has an unnatural obsession with the player, right? Yeah, THAT must be it. :rolleyes:

SNR
05-01-2012, 12:15 PM
Means nothing SNR. These are the Chiefs...the organization that employed f'ing William Bartee forever. That didn't make him good...he sucked ass.

Copper is no better than average regardless of whether he makes the final roster. You really don't think Copper couldn't easily be replaced...?

This draft is at least a "B"...if not a bit better.Point to the guy who's going to get Terrance Copper cut this year. I'll show you a person with an irrational hope that we can find the next Miles Austin/Victor Cruz undrafted standout.

Because in order for us to find that player we need to look for that player. And in order to look for that player we need him on the 53 man roster. And in order for him to be on the 53 man roster he has to beat out Terrance Copper.

U mad?

Blick
05-01-2012, 12:37 PM
I don't know if he's the best blocking WR on the team, but that's how Haley seemed to use Copper. He was like a blocking specialist as a WR.

I think SNR is right. He'll make the team again and a lot of people will be pissed, like when I told people Jackie Battle was going to make the team last year because he played special teams. People were furious with Battle's fumbles in the pre-season last year.

I don't think Wylie ends up on the practice squad. He can cover kicks and he'll make a push to be the punt returner.

DaKCMan AP
05-01-2012, 01:31 PM
Is that Crennel's typical breakdown?

I could see Maneri being a hybrid TE/OL, which would free a roster spot.

It's DaKCMan AP's recommended Awesome breakdown.

htismaqe
05-01-2012, 02:30 PM
Can't generate any feeling one way or the other towards the 50th guy on the roster.

If he makes it - eh, we're unlikely to be cutting the next Victor Cruz to keep him. If he doesn't - well that's fine, too.

I just get a kick out of this special teams ace status that he's been given. Seriously - there's nothing special about what he does out there. Every single team in the league has a guy like him and there are dozens more out on waivers. He's a guy that coaches like to have around because he tries hard and listens well. Guys like that kinda need a justification to stick around because they don't really contribute elsewhere.

So suddenly they get the ST ace tag.

He's just a guy. He's as replaceable as anyone on the roster. Though ultimately whoever we keep over him is 90% likely to just as replaceable - so I don't really care either way.

Whoa....

I never suggested *I* believe him to be a special teams "ace".

The CHIEFS are the ones that appear to value him as such, not me.

While he may be replaceable, they won't replace him. We both know that. He was one of their ST captains in 2010 IIRC.

TRR
05-01-2012, 02:47 PM
Whoa....

I never suggested *I* believe him to be a special teams "ace".

The CHIEFS are the ones that appear to value him as such, not me.

While he may be replaceable, they won't replace him. We both know that. He was one of their ST captains in 2010 IIRC.

I disagree with your take on Wylie being a practice squad candidate. He had enough interest in him after the combine to be plucked quickly. I fully expect him to win the kick/punt return job and don't see how they could have both him and Copper active on gameday.

Should be an interesting battle.
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aturnis
05-01-2012, 08:47 PM
I also believe it's important for the locker room to have a core of guys who treasure playing on special teams.

I think with a team mostly comprised of young guys and more young guys coming in all the time, Copper is motivation.

He shows any guy, a 7th rounder, a UDFA, or whatever, that you CAN make a career out of playing special teams. Hard work, and stay disciplined in your assignments.

SNR
05-01-2012, 10:31 PM
I think with a team mostly comprised of young guys and more young guys coming in all the time, Copper is motivation.

He shows any guy, a 7th rounder, a UDFA, or whatever, that you CAN make a career out of playing special teams. Hard work, and stay disciplined in your assignments.Yep. When he starts becoming a liability like Vrabel then we can think about cutting him.

brorth
05-02-2012, 07:28 AM
3QB
4RB
5WR
3TE
9OL
1K
1P
1LS
9DL
8LB
10DB

The right 54?

DaKCMan AP
05-02-2012, 07:31 AM
The right 54?

If you're not cheating you're not trying.

htismaqe
05-02-2012, 08:44 AM
I disagree with your take on Wylie being a practice squad candidate. He had enough interest in him after the combine to be plucked quickly. I fully expect him to win the kick/punt return job and don't see how they could have both him and Copper active on gameday.

Should be an interesting battle.
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Him winning the return job isn't gonna push Copper out. Arenas and McCluster are the return guys. Copper is the setup guy and also plays on coverage units.

Wylie will have to win the return job AND a WR spot to have any hope of pushing Copper out.

Blick
05-02-2012, 12:04 PM
I think they'll like Wylie at WR because he has a unique skill set. He's really the only true deep threat on the team. Plus, he does provide that short area burst and quickness to be an effective slot guy.

He's unlikely to be Wes Welker. He's more like a faster, more polished Julian Edelman.

htismaqe
05-02-2012, 12:56 PM
I think they'll like Wylie at WR because he has a unique skill set. He's really the only true deep threat on the team. Plus, he does provide that short area burst and quickness to be an effective slot guy.

He's unlikely to be Wes Welker. He's more like a faster, more polished Julian Edelman.

So he can play corner? :)

EmDiggy
05-15-2012, 01:33 PM
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Whatup Gang! Here's my Draft Grades video for you guys!

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Em

Direckshun
05-15-2012, 03:03 PM
Who, exactly, is going to supplant Copper?

Our WR, with Copper:

Bowe
Breaston
Baldwin
Wylie
Copper
McCluster (also RB)

Cunningham?

DJ's left nut
05-16-2012, 02:44 PM
D'oh - way to use ST twice in one sentence and mean two different things, dipshit.

(Season ticket...then special teams. I'm not very smart)

whoman69
05-16-2012, 02:47 PM
Who, exactly, is going to supplant Copper?

Our WR, with Copper:

Bowe
Breaston
Baldwin
Wylie
Copper
McCluster (also RB)

Cunningham?

Wylie has been a gunner in college.

Blick
05-17-2012, 01:07 AM
Wylie or Hemingway could take Copper's spot.

Maybe Hemingway goes to the practice squad.

I know, SNR. I know.

Dave Lane
05-17-2012, 06:25 PM
youtube.com/watch?v=VYzu-2Ykae0

Whatup Gang! Here's my Draft Grades video for you guys!

Enjoy!

Em

Really a A- for Seattle and their WTF picks? That lost all cred with me.

AustinChief
05-17-2012, 11:39 PM
Wylie or Hemingway could take Copper's spot.

Maybe Hemingway goes to the practice squad.

I know, SNR. I know.

If Hemingway makes the team he pushes Copper out. He's a bigger WR who could easily end up our best blocking WR. He's gonna have a tough time with Cassel at QB though. He rarely gets "wide open" and makes his best catches in traffic. I just don't see a QB like Cassel throwing it his way often enough. He'd be much better off with a QB like Quinn or Stanzi.

Obviously, I'm rooting for him, but I'd say he has about a 30% chance of making the team at this point.

SNR
05-18-2012, 01:08 PM
McCluster or Verran Tucker could take Copper's spot.

Maybe Tucker goes to the practice squad.

I know, SNR. I know.FYP.

Same shit, different year.

Blick
05-18-2012, 06:03 PM
Wylie is not McCluster. He gives you more on special teams because he can cover kicks on top of providing something in the return game. He's also a legit slot WR/deep threat. McCluster is not.

Tucker wasn't a draft pick. Hemingway was. They'll probably take a longer look at him because of that.

Gadzooks
05-31-2012, 12:25 AM
Wylie is not McCluster. He gives you more on special teams because he can cover kicks on top of providing something in the return game. He's also a legit slot WR/deep threat. McCluster is not.

Tucker wasn't a draft pick. Hemingway was. They'll probably take a longer look at him because of that.

McCluster & Wylie were both taken too high in their respective drafts.
Wylie would have been undrafted if the Welker comparison didn't exist and the Chiefs dipshit coaches can't figure out what to do with McCluster.
If Norf had been McCluster's coach he'd be primed to leave the Chiefs in free agency to become some other teams primary offensive weapon.

Sorter
05-31-2012, 07:35 PM
McCluster & Wylie were both taken too high in their respective drafts.
Wylie would have been undrafted if the Welker comparison didn't exist and the Chiefs dipshit coaches can't figure out what to do with McCluster.
If Norf had been McCluster's coach he'd be primed to leave the Chiefs in free agency to become some other teams primary offensive weapon.

I think we snagged him because Adams was plucked by Carolina right before him and wanted to still pick up a receiver who can play the slot and provide in the return game.

Okie_Apparition
06-28-2012, 07:25 PM
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