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Direckshun
05-01-2012, 12:00 PM
Below are no fewer than SIX quarterbacks to which I've given either "1st round" or "borderline 1st" grades.

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech

Matt Barkley, USC

Tyler Bray, Tennessee (relatively unlikely he declares)

Aaron Murray, Georgia (relatively unlikely he declares)

Landry Jones, Oklahoma

Now it should be noted: with the rookie wage scale, it's preferable for QB prospects to just get into the pros whenever they can, rather than biding their time and trying to compete for a Top 5 selection. The Top 5 used to mean you were in a top 10% earner in the NFL. Now it doesn't mean much over somebody like Tannehill's #8 spot, financially.

QB hungry teams in 2013 are bolded.

Patriots -- Brady/Mallett
Bills -- Fitzpatrick
Jets -- Sanchez/Tebow
Dolphins -- Tannehill

Browns -- Weeden
Steelers -- Rothlisberger
Ravens -- Flacco
Bengals -- Dalton

Colts -- Luck
Texans -- Schaub
Jaguars -- Gabbert/Henne
Titans -- Hasselbeck/Locker

Chiefs -- Cassel
Chargers -- Rivers
Broncos -- Manning/Osweiler
Raiders -- Palmer

Cowboys -- Romo
Giants -- Manning
Redskins -- Griffin
Eagles -- Vick

Packers -- Rodgers
Vikings -- Ponder
Lions -- Stafford
Bears -- Cutler

Panthers -- Newton
Falcons -- Ryan
Buccaneers -- Freeman
Saints -- Brees

Cardinals -- Kolb
Rams -- Bradford
49ers -- Smith/Kaepernick
Seahawks -- Flynn/Wilson

6 teams that will need a QB. Maybe eight if you buy the idea that the Cowboys or Eagles could be shopping for a new one.

So assuming at least half of those QBs declare, which is a relatively conservative bet, my prediction is that the Chiefs will be drafting a new quarterback in 2013. Even if it means having to trade up for one.

Dicky McElephant
05-01-2012, 12:14 PM
Cardinals - Need a QB
Bucs - Could need one if Freeman fails
Cowboys - I see Jones giving Romo one more year.
Chiefs - Obvious reasons
Jags - If Gabbert looks as bad as last year....they'll need one.
Texans - Isn't Schaub in the last year of his contract?
Ravens - If Flacco still hasn't signed.
Jets - For obvious reason.
Bills - For obvious reasons.

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 12:14 PM
Don't sleep on Geno Smith.

There's always someone that comes out of nowhere - this year was Tannehill. At 6'3'', 214 with plus athleticism (not RGIII, but probably right around Tannehill) and good arm strenght (North of Cousins, south of Foles; probably around an 85 on a 100 pt scale; Tannehill is probably a good comparison again), he could easily move up draft boards.

And unlike Tannehill, he has some legitimately excellent production as a Jr. We'll see if he thrives during the transition to the Big 12.

Dicky McElephant
05-01-2012, 12:16 PM
http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/0216/insider_u_price_sy_600.jpg

Maybe?

2011 Season 242 for 362, 3063 yards, 33 TDs, 11 INTs

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 12:16 PM
Cardinals - Need a QB
Bucs - Could need one if Freeman fails
Cowboys - I see Jones giving Romo one more year.
Chiefs - Obvious reasons
Jags - If Gabbert looks as bad as last year....they'll need one.
Texans - Isn't Schaub in the last year of his contract?
Ravens - If Flacco still hasn't signed.
Jets - For obvious reason.
Bills - For obvious reasons.

Now see how many of them are likely to pick ahead of us.

Unlikely:
Cowboys, Jets, Texans, Ravens

Possible:
Bills, Bucs

Goddamn well better:
Jags

The problem is the inevitable trade-up scenario. Will Pioli have the stones to actually move up to ensure we stay ahead of those guys? He's out of excuses not to at this point.

SNR
05-01-2012, 12:37 PM
Don't sleep on Geno Smith.

There's always someone that comes out of nowhere - this year was Tannehill. At 6'3'', 214 with plus athleticism (not RGIII, but probably right around Tannehill) and good arm strenght (North of Cousins, south of Foles; probably around an 85 on a 100 pt scale; Tannehill is probably a good comparison again), he could easily move up draft boards.

And unlike Tannehill, he has some legitimately excellent production as a Jr. We'll see if he thrives during the transition to the Big 12.This.

Smith's production was actually very similar to RGIII's penultimate year. With increased competition, another year to improve on his 4300 yards 31 TDs and 7 INTs (those are SCARY good numbers, like, mid-air scary), I see Smith being a lot like RGIII. Talked about as a 1st round pick finally by midseason, PROJECTED as a first round pick at the end of the college season, and by the end of January, assumed to be a top 5 pick in the entire draft.

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 01:07 PM
This.

Smith's production was actually very similar to RGIII's penultimate year. With increased competition, another year to improve on his 4300 yards 31 TDs and 7 INTs (those are SCARY good numbers, like, mid-air scary), I see Smith being a lot like RGIII. Talked about as a 1st round pick finally by midseason, PROJECTED as a first round pick at the end of the college season, and by the end of January, assumed to be a top 5 pick in the entire draft.

That's kinda my thought as well.

I'm hoping I can get my 'driver' of the bandwagon role now, but ultimately I think he'll probably end up out of our range again. We'll probably end up in the mid-teens and there's probably going to be a lot of movement to try to get up to the top 5 to grab him.

I don't see him having the top-end athleticism that RGIII had (no 4.4 forty times to wow the masses), so I'm not certain he'll rocket up like RGIII did, but with Tannehill's measurables and RGIIIs production, he should be one of the more coveted QBs in the draft. And while he'll spend his last 2 seasons in the spread, he performed admirably his first 2 in a conventional offense.

Kid's the real deal, IMO.

DA_T_84
05-01-2012, 01:16 PM
Still have hope for Stanzi.

I want to see Cassel go down week 1.

If for no other reason than WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF.

If Stanzi doesn't have a couple games to flash, I will be pissed. If they won't give him a chance, who's to say they even draft a QB?

philfree
05-01-2012, 01:22 PM
I'm not sure getting ones hopes up for any of these guys is a healthy thing. At least not starting May 1st 2012. This could become a psychosis if it hasn't manifested itself already.

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 01:26 PM
I'm not sure getting ones hopes up for any of these guys is a healthy thing. At least not starting May 1st 2012. This could become a psychosis if it hasn't manifested itself already.

I've already tattood his name on my eyelids.

Was that a poor decision?

suds79
05-01-2012, 03:19 PM
Going to be some fun QB watching in college football next year.

Remember the 1st time I saw Tyler Bray last year for the first time. Was impressed as I never knew of him.

Just saw some youtube videos of him. Seem like he has this side armish/3 qtrs delivery? Just an observation.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xAETuQL6SX0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

suds79
05-01-2012, 03:25 PM
Think this is a pretty interesting read also.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1132755-2013-nfl-draft-preview-ranking-college-footballs-top-15-quarterback-prospect

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 03:40 PM
Nice little breakdown of prospects.

It never ceases to crack my up, however, when folks that compare players absolutely refuse to cross the race lines when they do it.

Black QB that isn't exactly a burner? Must be Josh Freeman; nah, can't be Joe Flacco - you're Josh Freeman. White guy that likes to run but can't throw for shit? Nah, you can't be Brad Smith, you have to be a less athletic Matt Jones. Besides, we need Brad Smith freed up for the other black quarterback we're talking about with Denard Robinson - let's make sure not to compare him to Eric Crouch or anything. Oh wait, lets not forget Tajh Boyd - gotta get that McNabb comparison in there somehow...

It's probably harmless in the long run, but it's still kinda funny to see it. It applies to all sports at all levels. Skill-set comparisons are never race neutral.

SNR
05-01-2012, 03:53 PM
Nice little breakdown of prospects.

It never ceases to crack my up, however, when folks that compare players absolutely refuse to cross the race lines when they do it.

Black QB that isn't exactly a burner? Must be Josh Freeman; nah, can't be Joe Flacco - you're Josh Freeman. White guy that likes to run but can't throw for shit? Nah, you can't be Brad Smith, you have to be a less athletic Matt Jones. Besides, we need Brad Smith freed up for the other black quarterback we're talking about with Denard Robinson - let's make sure not to compare him to Eric Crouch or anything. Oh wait, lets not forget Tajh Boyd - gotta get that McNabb comparison in there somehow...

It's probably harmless in the long run, but it's still kinda funny to see it. It applies to all sports at all levels. Skill-set comparisons are never race neutral.Nah dude they're all Randall Cunninghams.

kcbubb
05-01-2012, 05:07 PM
Cardinals - Need a QB
Bucs - Could need one if Freeman fails
Cowboys - I see Jones giving Romo one more year.
Chiefs - Obvious reasons
Jags - If Gabbert looks as bad as last year....they'll need one.
Texans - Isn't Schaub in the last year of his contract?
Ravens - If Flacco still hasn't signed.
Jets - For obvious reason.
Bills - For obvious reasons.

There is a good chance that most if not all of these teams don't draft a QB round 1 in 2013.

Bucs - Freeman reverts back to 2010 form.
Cowboys - Romo can play
Jags - Decide to give Gabbert one more year. I don't see them giving up on him after a season and a half if he shows some progress.
Texans - Schaub can play.
Ravens - Flacco is decent.
Jets - Sanchez improves.
Bills - Fitz improves with better defense.

DJ's left nut
05-01-2012, 05:17 PM
The Cardinals also went past their 'easy dump' point in the Kolb contract, didn't they? They have some built in bonuses that make him much harder to cut now, IIRC.

They could still draft another QB due to how cheap they are now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they move QB down their priority list due to how much they have invested in Kolb and how tough it would be to free themselves of him.

It should be a nice year if you need a QB. But the Chiefs will still screw it up somehow.

DeezNutz
05-01-2012, 06:41 PM
Who is going to start the 2014 QBs thread? Should that be concurrent?

Willie Lanier
05-01-2012, 06:51 PM
I'm not sure getting ones hopes up for any of these guys is a healthy thing. At least not starting May 1st 2012. This could become a psychosis if it hasn't manifested itself already.

ROFL

Could not agree more...

Jevan Snead anyone?

Mr. Arrowhead
05-01-2012, 07:45 PM
ive conceded that will never draft a qb in the 1st round, it just isnt gonna happen

58kcfan89
05-01-2012, 08:21 PM
http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/0216/insider_u_price_sy_600.jpg

Maybe?

2011 Season 242 for 362, 3063 yards, 33 TDs, 11 INTs

I only saw 2 games he played in, one of them being the Alamo Bowl where he went blow-for-blow with RG3. Unfortunately, Price'll be a junior this year, so he'd have to have a great season to declare (theoretically).

Chocolate Hog
05-02-2012, 12:53 AM
Keith Price looked like a RGIII clone at times

Chocolate Hog
05-02-2012, 12:54 AM
The Cardinals also went past their 'easy dump' point in the Kolb contract, didn't they? They have some built in bonuses that make him much harder to cut now, IIRC.

They could still draft another QB due to how cheap they are now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they move QB down their priority list due to how much they have invested in Kolb and how tough it would be to free themselves of him.

It should be a nice year if you need a QB. But the Chiefs will still screw it up somehow.

Yeah by winning the super bowl.

BryanBusby
05-02-2012, 01:15 AM
This.

Smith's production was actually very similar to RGIII's penultimate year. With increased competition, another year to improve on his 4300 yards 31 TDs and 7 INTs (those are SCARY good numbers, like, mid-air scary), I see Smith being a lot like RGIII. Talked about as a 1st round pick finally by midseason, PROJECTED as a first round pick at the end of the college season, and by the end of January, assumed to be a top 5 pick in the entire draft.
Lets see what Geno Smith does against some not completely terrible "Big East" Defenses before we get worked up.

Saccopoo
05-02-2012, 07:21 AM
ive conceded that will never draft a qb in the 1st round, it just isnt gonna happen

Mr. First Round right here:

http://bestcelebrityworkouts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Muscle_-_Fitnessbradyquinncover.jpg

Oh, that's right...we have to draft one ourselves, thus the near homo-erotic fascination with projects like Jimmy Clausen and Ryan Tannehill.

Some people have short memories. Quinn was one of the best QB prospects that has come out recently, and simply hasn't been given an honest chance. Rookie in 2007. Broke a finger in 2008 and was out for the season. 2009 Mangini wanted Derek Anderson as his QB (and we all know how that worked out for both guys). He's only played 14 games in his pro career and it's mainly been because of dipshit coaches/bad situations (Tebow Mania).

You guys forget how good this guy was in college:

...(Quinn) set 36 Fighting Irish records during his four seasons with the team. There were ten career records, twelve single-season records, four single-game records and ten miscellaneous records broken by Quinn throughout those four years, including the record for career pass attempts with 1,602; completions with 929; yards-per-game with 239.6; touchdown passes with 95, and the Irish's lowest interception percentage with 2.43. Quinn won 29 games as a starter at Notre Dame, tied for the most in school history.

That's the guy you draft in the first round as a QB. Experienced from a pro system, productive, hard worker, prototype size, etc.

He knows Crennel and Daboll's system. If Pioli is actually interested in winning games instead of continuing to support his (poor) decision in trading for Matt Cassel to be the starter, then Quinn should have every chance/probability of getting the job.

DaKCMan AP
05-02-2012, 07:29 AM
Lets see what Geno Smith does against some not completely terrible "Big East" Defenses before we get worked up.

The Big XII is not known for defense.

Chiefnj2
05-02-2012, 08:30 AM
Keith Price looked like a RGIII clone at times

Unlike RGIII, I think Price is smaller than reported.

suds79
05-02-2012, 08:40 AM
Unlike RGIII, I think Price is smaller than reported.

Yeah and Washington lists him at 6'1 195.

So he's probably 5'11 (that kills him if so) or 6'0 at best.

Frosty
05-02-2012, 08:51 AM
Yeah and Washington lists him at 6'1 195.

So he's probably 5'11 (that kills him if so) or 6'0 at best.

So he's the next candidate that everyone will claim can be as good as Drew Brees?

suds79
05-02-2012, 09:05 AM
So he's the next candidate that everyone will claim can be as good as Drew Brees?

:) Almost. But he's black. No way he could have a similar game to Drew Brees. He'd have to be Michael Vick.

Sofa King
05-02-2012, 09:06 AM
Still have hope for Stanzi.

I want to see Cassel go down week 1.

If for no other reason than WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF.

If Stanzi doesn't have a couple games to flash, I will be pissed. If they won't give him a chance, who's to say they even draft a QB?

LMAO

Bewbies
05-02-2012, 09:29 AM
Mr. First Round right here:

http://bestcelebrityworkouts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Muscle_-_Fitnessbradyquinncover.jpg

Oh, that's right...we have to draft one ourselves, thus the near homo-erotic fascination with projects like Jimmy Clausen and Ryan Tannehill.

Some people have short memories. Quinn was one of the best QB prospects that has come out recently, and simply hasn't been given an honest chance. Rookie in 2007. Broke a finger in 2008 and was out for the season. 2009 Mangini wanted Derek Anderson as his QB (and we all know how that worked out for both guys). He's only played 14 games in his pro career and it's mainly been because of dipshit coaches/bad situations (Tebow Mania).

You guys forget how good this guy was in college:



That's the guy you draft in the first round as a QB. Experienced from a pro system, productive, hard worker, prototype size, etc.

He knows Crennel and Daboll's system. If Pioli is actually interested in winning games instead of continuing to support his (poor) decision in trading for Matt Cassel to be the starter, then Quinn should have every chance/probability of getting the job.

I don't care what he did 20 years ago in college, in the NFL he sucks ass. Stop pimping him, it's worse than the never ending pimping of an overrated LT prospect(s).

the Talking Can
05-02-2012, 10:40 AM
Mr. First Round right here:

http://bestcelebrityworkouts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Muscle_-_Fitnessbradyquinncover.jpg

Oh, that's right...we have to draft one ourselves, thus the near homo-erotic fascination with projects like Jimmy Clausen and Ryan Tannehill.

Some people have short memories. Quinn was one of the best QB prospects that has come out recently, and simply hasn't been given an honest chance. Rookie in 2007. Broke a finger in 2008 and was out for the season. 2009 Mangini wanted Derek Anderson as his QB (and we all know how that worked out for both guys). He's only played 14 games in his pro career and it's mainly been because of dipshit coaches/bad situations (Tebow Mania).

You guys forget how good this guy was in college:



That's the guy you draft in the first round as a QB. Experienced from a pro system, productive, hard worker, prototype size, etc.

He knows Crennel and Daboll's system. If Pioli is actually interested in winning games instead of continuing to support his (poor) decision in trading for Matt Cassel to be the starter, then Quinn should have every chance/probability of getting the job.

talk about homo-erotic...you just love players with big thighs

he's on a one year contract for a reason...he's a meatbag

Frosty
05-02-2012, 10:48 AM
:) Almost. But he's black. No way he could have a similar game to Drew Brees. He'd have to be Michael Vick.

Didn't stop the Russell Wilson/ Drew Brees comparisons.

kcbubb
05-02-2012, 12:05 PM
I don't care what he did 20 years ago in college, in the NFL he sucks ass. Stop pimping him, it's worse than the never ending pimping of an overrated LT prospect(s).

Here's Crennel's take on Quinn at his pro day in 07.

Crennel said Quinn clearly had zip on his passes.

"The fact he could make all his throws, both right and left, he's a polished quarterback," Crennel said. "He's smart. When you watch him on tape you can see he knows where to go with the ball. He will, at times, throw it away when he has to, so we think he's a good, young prospect."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2787845

I'm not saying that it is relevant today, but just pointing out the that Crennel may still like this guy. Probably not just a Pioli pickup.

I am hoping that he can pull off a resurrection similar to a Drew Brees. Brees sucked his first two years as a starter with the Chargers.

Bewbies
05-02-2012, 12:33 PM
Here's Crennel's take on Quinn at his pro day in 07.

Crennel said Quinn clearly had zip on his passes.

"The fact he could make all his throws, both right and left, he's a polished quarterback," Crennel said. "He's smart. When you watch him on tape you can see he knows where to go with the ball. He will, at times, throw it away when he has to, so we think he's a good, young prospect."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2787845

I'm not saying that it is relevant today, but just pointing out the that Crennel may still like this guy. Probably not just a Pioli pickup.

I am hoping that he can pull off a resurrection similar to a Drew Brees. Brees sucked his first two years as a starter with the Chargers.

LMAO

Holy shit you people are fucking retarded.

the Talking Can
05-02-2012, 12:41 PM
Here's Crennel's take on Quinn at his pro day in 07.

Crennel said Quinn clearly had zip on his passes.

"The fact he could make all his throws, both right and left, he's a polished quarterback," Crennel said. "He's smart. When you watch him on tape you can see he knows where to go with the ball. He will, at times, throw it away when he has to, so we think he's a good, young prospect."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2787845

I'm not saying that it is relevant today, but just pointing out the that Crennel may still like this guy. Probably not just a Pioli pickup.

I am hoping that he can pull off a resurrection similar to a Drew Brees. Brees sucked his first two years as a starter with the Chargers.

Quinn's career is a mirror image of Brees'


if the mirror was shattered first

SNR
05-02-2012, 12:50 PM
talk about homo-erotic...you just love players with big thighs

he's on a one year contract for a reason...he's a meatbagLMAO

So you're saying put in Quinn as our H-back? Meatbags are usually perfect for that role.

BryanBusby
05-02-2012, 08:25 PM
The Big XII is not known for defense.
Overall? No lol Compared to the SEC? Hell no.

Oklahoma and Texas could provide some form of a challenge. The Big East had no form of defense going on there.

kcbubb
05-02-2012, 11:20 PM
LMAO

Holy shit you people are ****ing retarded.

I said hoping. I don't think he has the ceiling of a guy like Brees. That was a poor comparison.

His potential could potentially be more like Schaub.

BossChief
05-02-2012, 11:44 PM
Quinn is here to help integrating/teaching the offense and to keep the road to StanziMania that much shorter.

Bump
05-03-2012, 12:55 AM
Cardinals - Need a QB
Bucs - Could need one if Freeman fails
Cowboys - I see Jones giving Romo one more year.
Chiefs - Obvious reasons
Jags - If Gabbert looks as bad as last year....they'll need one.
Texans - Isn't Schaub in the last year of his contract?
Ravens - If Flacco still hasn't signed.
Jets - For obvious reason.
Bills - For obvious reasons.

if Freeman fails, I'd be happy to take him here.

DaKCMan AP
05-03-2012, 06:45 AM
if Freeman fails, I'd be happy to take him here.

Freeman really has no excuses this year with:
Vincent Jackson, Mike Williams, Arrelious Benn, Dezmon Briscoe at WR
Winslow at TE
Blount and Doug Martin at RB
An OL boosted with Carl Nicks.

The Bucs have made some really good moves to improve the team.

htismaqe
05-03-2012, 08:50 AM
Quinn is here to help integrating/teaching the offense and to keep the road to StanziMania that much shorter.

I hope to all that is holy that you are right.

Saccopoo
05-03-2012, 09:57 AM
Quinn is here to help integrating/teaching the offense and to keep the road to StanziMania that much shorter.

Quinn's here to win a fucking Super Bowl.

Book it.

Dicky McElephant
05-03-2012, 10:33 AM
I actually agree with Sacc on something......holy shit.

DaKCMan AP
05-03-2012, 10:41 AM
I actually agree with Sacc on something......holy shit.

Domer homer :P

Direckshun
05-03-2012, 12:19 PM
The worst thing that can happen is that Brady Quinn looks really good for the Chiefs.

We'll have to make a choice between franchising him, Dorsey, AND Albert.

Direckshun
05-03-2012, 12:23 PM
That said, if there were ever a situation for Quinn to thrive, it'd be here and now.

He knows Daboll's offense. Crennel trusts him, making it less likely he'd shackle him when he takes the field.

He's got a run game, great protection, good receivers, and a stout defense.

This would be the best opportunity of Quinn's life.

Direckshun
05-03-2012, 12:24 PM
Come to think of it, we are probably letting Dorsey walk anyway, and we'll probably still franchise Albert.

I doubt we'd have to franchise Quinn. Quinn hitting the market would look exactly like Alex Smith hitting the market. Despite his theoretical success with us, teams are always going to be leery with him, and we can probably get a deal done with him on the cheap without having to burn the tag on him.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

SNR
05-03-2012, 12:35 PM
Seriously. If Pioli's such a special GM why doesn't he just get these guys signed to a deal before they leave?

He has all season to extend Albert's contract. If he's going to sit around and play grab ass with himself, then we can pretty much say goodbye to trading up for a QB next draft. We'll need draft picks to replace Dorsey/Jackson, Albert, Lewis, Moeaki, and Asamoah.

Dicky McElephant
05-03-2012, 12:37 PM
I have a feeling that Quinn would sign a deal with us if he succeeded here. He wouldn't want to have to go somewhere else and learn a completely new offense.

Direckshun
05-03-2012, 12:40 PM
I have a feeling that Quinn would sign a deal with us if he succeeded here. He wouldn't want to have to go somewhere else and learn a completely new offense.

Especially after drifting from shit situation to shittier situation.

Direckshun
05-03-2012, 12:42 PM
Seriously. If Pioli's such a special GM why doesn't he just get these guys signed to a deal before they leave?

He has all season to extend Albert's contract. If he's going to sit around and play grab ass with himself, then we can pretty much say goodbye to trading up for a QB next draft. We'll need draft picks to replace Dorsey/Jackson, Albert, Lewis, Moeaki, and Asamoah.

God, you look at that list and you just know Jackson knows he's getting paid $14 million next year. You just know it.

What leverage do the Chiefs have? They can't cut him, because we won't have the draft ammo to replace him, and Bailey is currently slotted to replace Dorsey.

The only thing the Chiefs have is a deal to extend him. Take less money, and we'll pay you for more years.

BigChiefFan
05-03-2012, 01:16 PM
Franchise Brady Quinn? Seriously??? He's a stop-gap and no way we re-sign him to starter's money.

Chiefnj2
05-03-2012, 01:25 PM
The crystal meth and painkillers must be flowing freely in Missouri.

DJ's left nut
05-03-2012, 01:44 PM
God, you look at that list and you just know Jackson knows he's getting paid $14 million next year. You just know it.

What leverage do the Chiefs have? They can't cut him, because we won't have the draft ammo to replace him, and Bailey is currently slotted to replace Dorsey.

The only thing the Chiefs have is a deal to extend him. Take less money, and we'll pay you for more years.

Starting to see why I liked Brockers yet?

Hell, even Still in the 2nd would've been nice.

Not grabbing a legitimate threat to replace Jackson/Dorsey in this draft was a mistake.

SNR
05-03-2012, 02:00 PM
Uhh... don't we still have cap room? Are we saying that after a freakin right tackle, Peyton Hillis, Kevin Boss, and Brady fucking Quinn we're all of a sudden out of cash to sign our franchise players?

SNR
05-03-2012, 02:03 PM
Starting to see why I liked Brockers yet?

Hell, even Still in the 2nd would've been nice.

Not grabbing a legitimate threat to replace Jackson/Dorsey in this draft was a mistake.I'd still rather have him than Poe. But eh, what can ya do.

Saccopoo
05-03-2012, 02:04 PM
Starting to see why I liked Brockers yet?

Hell, even Still in the 2nd would've been nice.

Not grabbing a legitimate threat to replace Jackson/Dorsey in this draft was a mistake.

There was a lot of mistakes in this past draft by the Chiefs:

- Poe over Brockers or DeCastro (assuming they picked Allen in the second to play guard).

- Not getting either Konz in the second, Molk in the seventh or Brewster/Garner in free agency when they were available hoping that either Hudson or Lilja is going to transition to the center spot is borderline retarded.

- Overdrafting Allen and Stephenson to hope one of them beats out Albert and then moving whoever is left over to guard.

- Picking up another McCluster in the fourth over Ta'amu or Chapman. (If they wanted NT depth, take the freakin' guys who actually were accomplished nose tackles versus a total project in the first.)

It was a massively shitty draft and very questionable decisions on need/personnel were made.

DaKCMan AP
05-03-2012, 02:07 PM
There was a lot of mistakes in this past draft by the Chiefs:

- Poe over Brockers or DeCastro (assuming they picked Allen in the second to play guard).

- Not getting either Konz in the second, Molk in the seventh or Brewster/Garner in free agency when they were available hoping that either Hudson or Lilja is going to transition to the center spot is borderline retarded.

- Overdrafting Allen and Stephenson to hope one of them beats out Albert and then moving whoever is left over to guard.

- Picking up another McCluster in the fourth over Ta'amu or Chapman. (If they wanted NT depth, take the freakin' guys who actually were accomplished nose tackles versus a total project in the first.)

It was a massively shitty draft and very questionable decisions on need/personnel were made.


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Chris Meck
05-03-2012, 02:11 PM
1. They're not going to franchise Albert. Albert is an above average LT, and is a fine young player, but will not command that sort of money. They'll re-sign him.
2. They won't franchise Brady Quinn, even if he takes the job and makes the pro-bowl. IF those things should come to pass, Quinn would be an idiot to leave and go somewhere else. He's waited too long for a good situation, he'd be a moron to leave one. He'll sign to a reasonable deal. No way any of this happens anyway.
3. Dorsey may very well walk; He's been a good player, but not franchise DE money good. You don't give a 3-4 end Freeney money. given a choice, they'll sign Jackson and let Dorsey walk.
You have a draft and FA to replace ONE guy. We're in good cap shape. No reason to freak out, but by all means, go ahead.

SNR
05-03-2012, 02:27 PM
Correction: I'm just high. I thought all players 3rd round and later only got 3-year contracts. My bad.

Guys who will be free agents in 2013 according to Rotoworld:

Brandon Albert
Jovan Belcher
Dwayne Bowe (if he only signs the 1-year franchise tag)
Dustin Colquitt :eek:
Travis Daniels
Glenn Dorsey
Thomas Gafford
Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Jake O'Connell
Brady Quinn
Jacques Reeves
Brandon Siler
Donald Washington

And that doesn't include Tyson Jackson, who needs to get restructured next year apparently.

Lists like this look nasty every year I realize. If we organize it like this:

Guys who are very valuable to the team and could come with a pricetag more than we're willing to pay:

Brandon Albert
Dwayne Bowe (possibly)
Dustin Colquitt
Glenn Dorsey

Guys we want to keep around and shouldn't be too difficult to get re-signed:

Jovan Belcher
Travis Daniels
Thomas Gafford

Guys we don't need but if they come cheap, eh, why not:

Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Brady Quinn
Brandon Siler

Garbage players nobody wants and who deserve to rot Barry Richardson-style:

Jake O'Connell
Jacques Reeves
Donald Washington

I think if we let go of two of the first four names and four of the first seven in those categories, we can all say it: Pioli is a fuckup loser.

SNR
05-03-2012, 02:27 PM
If we don't re-sign Dustin Colquitt I will do very very bad things :mad:

the Talking Can
05-03-2012, 02:38 PM
brady quinn


lol

the Talking Can
05-03-2012, 02:46 PM
There was a lot of mistakes in this past draft by the Chiefs:

- Poe over Brockers or DeCastro (assuming they picked Allen in the second to play guard).

- Not getting either Konz in the second, Molk in the seventh or Brewster/Garner in free agency when they were available hoping that either Hudson or Lilja is going to transition to the center spot is borderline retarded.

- Overdrafting Allen and Stephenson to hope one of them beats out Albert and then moving whoever is left over to guard.

- Picking up another McCluster in the fourth over Ta'amu or Chapman. (If they wanted NT depth, take the freakin' guys who actually were accomplished nose tackles versus a total project in the first.)

It was a massively shitty draft and very questionable decisions on need/personnel were made.

i agree with the spirit of this, if not all the particulars

the draft was weirdly arrogant...we're so strong we can pick projects, switch positions, wait 2-3 years for players to develop....

this draft would have made more sense to me if we were a team with a franchise QB coming off a deep playoff run...for a 7-9 squad with shit and dick at the QB position and no playoff win in decades, it seems complacent

i think we'll see the most immediate contributions from our 5th and 6th round picks

Dicky McElephant
05-03-2012, 02:49 PM
I figure that Bowe will get done before the season starts. Colquitt, Albert and Belcher will get done after this season. Dorsey will be gone.

SNR
05-03-2012, 02:51 PM
I figure that Bowe will get done before the season starts. Colquitt, Albert and Belcher will get done after this season. Dorsey will be gone.I'm okay with that.

Chiefnj2
05-03-2012, 03:04 PM
I'm okay with that.

Who plays DE?

SNR
05-03-2012, 03:09 PM
Who plays DE?Bailey or somebody we find in the draft next year or free agency.

I don't see a solution to the problem unless Dorsey is cool with a crap contract.

I'm "cool" with this simply because we get really important players signed, and only one is left out. And in my opinion, Dorsey is the most expendable considering his proposed contract value.

DJ's left nut
05-03-2012, 03:15 PM
Who plays DE?

Shaun Rogers...or someone else just like him.

To find a guy that does what Dorsey does will be extremely easy. To find a guy that can do what Dorsey does and actually contribute on passing plays would be extremely hard.

It's the marginal improvements over Dorsey that get expensive, not Dorsey himself. Dorsey is essentially a base Mustang. He's handy to have, kinda fun at times, but mostly incredibly replaceable and not much more than his name. You can get one for the cost of a 4-door sedan.

Whereas someone like Brockers or even Jackson really, well they're something like a Tesla roadster. They may be great...or they may suck ass. Either way, you're going to pay a lot for the privilege of finding out. Then there are the Seymours of the world - welcome to the Italian exotic prices.

We can go ahead and let the base Mustang walk - there are plenty of used Camrys we can get to do the job.

Chiefnj2
05-03-2012, 03:19 PM
Bailey or somebody we find in the draft next year or free agency.

I don't see a solution to the problem unless Dorsey is cool with a crap contract.

I'm "cool" with this simply because we get really important players signed, and only one is left out. And in my opinion, Dorsey is the most expendable considering his proposed contract value.

It was bad planning by KC not take someone in this years draft, even a later pick like Billy Winn. I can see Pioli salivating at using another 1st rounder on the DL.

Direckshun
05-03-2012, 03:25 PM
Starting to see why I liked Brockers yet?

Hell, even Still in the 2nd would've been nice.

Not grabbing a legitimate threat to replace Jackson/Dorsey in this draft was a mistake.

I definitely saw it back when you supported it. I was on the Devon Still train before he dropped like a goddamn rock.

philfree
05-03-2012, 03:29 PM
It was bad planning by KC not take someone in this years draft, even a later pick like Billy Winn. I can see Pioli salivating at using another 1st rounder on the DL.

Although it was late in the draft they did draft what amounts to a 5-tech.

milkman
05-06-2012, 08:58 AM
I can see Jovan Belcher being the 2012 version of Brandon Carr.

People really undervalue him, and will begin to see just how really good he is as he continues to improve.

Then everyone will be pissed when he walks, acting as though they were Belcher supoorters all along.

Saccopoo
05-06-2012, 10:48 AM
I can see Jovan Belcher being the 2012 version of Brandon Carr.

People really undervalue him, and will begin to see just how really good he is as he continues to improve.

Then everyone will be pissed when he walks, acting as though they were Belcher supoorters all along.

Way undervalue him. Belcher has got better every single season, has excellent ball instincts and has really taken to playing the middle after being on the edge in college. He really has a feel for the game and he absolutely brings the lumber. People simply don't understand the role of the MLB in this system, so they don't see the impact of Belchers game.

As well, I think the casual fan simply looks at the Chiefs roster and sees a 226 lb. listing and thinks that he's too small to play the MLB in a 34, when, in actuallity, the guy was 246 at his college pro day and played last year at 255. (I still can't figure out why the Chiefs are sandbagging his weight.)

He's also a lot more athletic that people think. He was an OLB and DE for Maine who was quite adept at getting to the quarterback. He was also a three time All-American wrestler at the prep level and played damn near every position on his high school football team on both sides of the ball. Again, the problem is that he's not asked to be the open field roamer. He's the guy who blows up guards getting to the ball carrier. And he does that quite effectively.

He's one of the better Mike backers in the league and I wholely agree with the Brandon Carr comparison.

I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.

SNR
05-06-2012, 12:15 PM
Way undervalue him. Belcher has got better every single season, has excellent ball instincts and has really taken to playing the middle after being on the edge in college. He really has a feel for the game and he absolutely brings the lumber. People simply don't understand the role of the MLB in this system, so they don't see the impact of Belchers game.

As well, I think the casual fan simply looks at the Chiefs roster and sees a 226 lb. listing and thinks that he's too small to play the MLB in a 34, when, in actuallity, the guy was 246 at his college pro day and played last year at 255. (I still can't figure out why the Chiefs are sandbagging his weight.)

He's also a lot more athletic that people think. He was an OLB and DE for Maine who was quite adept at getting to the quarterback. He was also a three time All-American wrestler at the prep level and played damn near every position on his high school football team on both sides of the ball. Again, the problem is that he's not asked to be the open field roamer. He's the guy who blows up guards getting to the ball carrier. And he does that quite effectively.

He's one of the better Mike backers in the league and I wholely agree with the Brandon Carr comparison.

I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.
Can't cover TEs? He's a piece of shit /Morons on CP

Tribal Warfare
05-06-2012, 03:11 PM
Tyler Bray is the kid I want if KC tottaly tanks, if Barkley is unattainable. The kid is pinpoint accurate, nice footwork, has a quick release, and a great NFL caliber arm.

Chocolate Hog
05-06-2012, 04:02 PM
Way undervalue him. Belcher has got better every single season, has excellent ball instincts and has really taken to playing the middle after being on the edge in college. He really has a feel for the game and he absolutely brings the lumber. People simply don't understand the role of the MLB in this system, so they don't see the impact of Belchers game.

As well, I think the casual fan simply looks at the Chiefs roster and sees a 226 lb. listing and thinks that he's too small to play the MLB in a 34, when, in actuallity, the guy was 246 at his college pro day and played last year at 255. (I still can't figure out why the Chiefs are sandbagging his weight.)

He's also a lot more athletic that people think. He was an OLB and DE for Maine who was quite adept at getting to the quarterback. He was also a three time All-American wrestler at the prep level and played damn near every position on his high school football team on both sides of the ball. Again, the problem is that he's not asked to be the open field roamer. He's the guy who blows up guards getting to the ball carrier. And he does that quite effectively.

He's one of the better Mike backers in the league and I wholely agree with the Brandon Carr comparison.

I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.

They will? Inside linebacker is one of the least importating positions according to market value.

suds79
05-07-2012, 12:05 PM
Just another list of top QBs heading into next year.

http://www.lostlettermen.com/slideshow/top-10-qb-prospects-of-2013-nfl-draft/

jd1020
05-07-2012, 04:13 PM
A top QB in the draft likely wont happen since I doubt the Chiefs are bad enough to even be able to make a move up for one, let alone be bad enough to draft one.

I'm not counting on many of the JR's to declare so I'm hoping someone like EJ Manuel comes through.

DJ's left nut
05-07-2012, 04:32 PM
I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.

He's also durable as hell.

I completely agree, get a 4-5 year deal done with this guy ASAP. He's a great athlete, has a nose for the football and the right attitude for a thankless job.

I love me some Belcher.

Chief Roundup
05-07-2012, 04:48 PM
Oh same ole same ole. There will be 2 good QBs and then there is a huge dropoff and we will not be in a position to draft one of the top 2 so we are stuck drafting the 3rd or 4th best QB available. YeeHaw
Wash, Rinse, Repeat. We are going to have to trade up or have a horrible season. One that would make last season look good to get a top QB prospect.

suds79
05-09-2012, 09:29 AM
Not that it'll be a problem for us but I'm going to just ask.

Why is Matt Barkley considered to be the #1 pick for next year? I get that he has a lot of experience and comes from a pro system but beyond that? I just don't see it.

It was either McShay or another scout who mentioned that Barkley is hard to evaluate because he's surrounded by such good talent at USC. I can see that. Furthermore, I don't think he has elite tools. Good size. Not great. I'd also say a very average NFL arm.

Watch this video. How many of these throws does he simply lob it up with a lot of air under the ball and allow his teammates to go make a play? That won't fly in the NFL.

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Frosty
05-09-2012, 09:40 AM
I've said it before but I am not a Barkley fan. I do think he is just a product of the talent around him. He frequently gets to just stand back there unmolested and then throw to a wide open Woods.

Maybe he will take the next step this year to start looking like a NFL QB. :shrug:

Chiefnj2
05-09-2012, 11:35 AM
At some point you've got to roll the dice, warts and all.

As far as QB prospects:

1. Barkley - I agree with the last few posters. I see your typical USC QB who has had the benefit of the best training, etc., since they were 5 years old, playing on a talented team against a bunch of bad defenses. These guys are close to peak and aren't used to adversity.

2. Tyler Bray - I do not get the fascination with this kid. Injured both years. Destroys poor competition, but is below average against better teams. Maybe he'll pull it together this year.

3. Tyler Wilson - my personal favorite so far.

4. Keith Price - Only saw him against Baylor and I was impressed, albeit against a bad D. I think he'll come in shorter than listed which will cause the various Breese comparison/arguments.

5. Landry Jones - I remember watching his first few games thinking, this kid has a lot of potential. Sadly, he hasn't seemed to improve. Looks like he did early on.

6. Logan Thomas - Haven't seen him play, but his stats are wildly inconsistent. Compl % ranged from 40% to 92% last year. 5 games under 55% .

SNR
05-09-2012, 11:59 AM
Good to see other Barkley haters on this thread.

Matt (like other retarded USC QBs named Matt) didn't know when was the right time to leave college and enter the pros. It's possible that his draft stock tanks this year especially as other more talented QBs pass him up this year.

I realize that "tanks" is a strong word. I mean that Barkley drops out of the top 5 overall. I think that's a definite possibility.

Frosty
05-09-2012, 12:42 PM
At some point you've got to roll the dice, warts and all.

As far as QB prospects:

1. Barkley - I agree with the last few posters. I see your typical USC QB who has had the benefit of the best training, etc., since they were 5 years old, playing on a talented team against a bunch of bad defenses. These guys are close to peak and aren't used to adversity.

2. Tyler Bray - I do not get the fascination with this kid. Injured both years. Destroys poor competition, but is below average against better teams. Maybe he'll pull it together this year.

3. Tyler Wilson - my personal favorite so far.

4. Keith Price - Only saw him against Baylor and I was impressed, albeit against a bad D. I think he'll come in shorter than listed which will cause the various Breese comparison/arguments.

5. Landry Jones - I remember watching his first few games thinking, this kid has a lot of potential. Sadly, he hasn't seemed to improve. Looks like he did early on.

6. Logan Thomas - Haven't seen him play, but his stats are wildly inconsistent. Compl % ranged from 40% to 92% last year. 5 games under 55% .


Remember all of the "don't draft Tannehill because the QB class next year is better" arguments?

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

SNR
05-09-2012, 01:02 PM
Remember all of the "don't draft Tannehill because the QB class next year is better" arguments?

Uh huh. :rolleyes:"Man, next year's class is going to be soooo good! There will be Andrew Luck... and Matt Barkley... and Landry Jones... and Nick Foles! We could potentially see four QBs go in the top 5! All of those guys are franchise studs!"

SNR
05-09-2012, 01:06 PM
Assuming Bray and Murray stay in school for one more year, these are the QBs I'd be willing to take in the top 10 next year:

Matt Barkley
Tyler Wilson
Geno Smith

That's pretty much it. Price, Jones, and Thomas to me all scream "Nick Foles or Andrew Luck? I can't decide!"

Frosty
05-09-2012, 01:13 PM
Just like this year, the good guys will be out of reach and everyone else will have major question marks. Just like this year (and last and ...).

Ebolapox
05-09-2012, 02:08 PM
At some point you've got to roll the dice, warts and all.

As far as QB prospects:

1. Barkley - I agree with the last few posters. I see your typical USC QB who has had the benefit of the best training, etc., since they were 5 years old, playing on a talented team against a bunch of bad defenses. These guys are close to peak and aren't used to adversity.

2. Tyler Bray - I do not get the fascination with this kid. Injured both years. Destroys poor competition, but is below average against better teams. Maybe he'll pull it together this year.

3. Tyler Wilson - my personal favorite so far.

4. Keith Price - Only saw him against Baylor and I was impressed, albeit against a bad D. I think he'll come in shorter than listed which will cause the various Breese comparison/arguments.

5. Landry Jones - I remember watching his first few games thinking, this kid has a lot of potential. Sadly, he hasn't seemed to improve. Looks like he did early on.

6. Logan Thomas - Haven't seen him play, but his stats are wildly inconsistent. Compl % ranged from 40% to 92% last year. 5 games under 55% .

who is breese? you keep typing the name wrong, it's rather annoying. BREES. as in, drew BREES. just like it was ryan SIMS, not ryan SIMMS. ryan SIMS was not the son of phil SIMMS.

sorry for mini-rant, but... that's all I could take.

SNR
05-09-2012, 02:16 PM
H5N5, what do you think of Ricky Stanzzi and Brady Quin's chances to unseat Cassell this year?

suds79
05-09-2012, 02:38 PM
H5N5, what do you think of Ricky Stanzzi and Brady Quin's chances to unseat Cassell this year?

Unseat him? Zero.

Their only chance is if Matt gets injured and either one lights it up in his time in. Thankfully for them, Matt hasn't completed a full season yet as a Chief.

SNR
05-09-2012, 02:58 PM
Unseat him? Zero.

Their only chance is if Matt gets injured and either one lights it up in his time in. Thankfully for them, Matt hasn't completed a full season yet as a Chief.True. Although apart from last year and 2009, the circumstances for him missing games was very flukey. It can be fully expected that Mat would have started all 16 games for the Patriots in 2008 if Thom Braddy got injured before the season started. And appendicitis... well, we can rule that one out as a possible reason for getting sidelined this season. We should probably check if Mat Cassell has ever had chicken pox or his tonsils taken out, too.

Hopefully Rommeo re-thinks the QB situation if Cassell is just stinking things up. Look at other Patriot Way coaches- Parsells didn't exactly have any qualms about benching Bledso and putting in Rowmo. Or even in 1998 when he started Testiclede for the Jets. Rommeo even benched Brady Quin (a golden boy of the franchise at the time) in favor of Derrick Anderssen. We can only hope he'll do the same here in KC.

Frosty
05-09-2012, 02:59 PM
Unseat him? Zero.

Their only chance is if Matt gets injured and either one lights it up in his time in. Thankfully for them, Matt hasn't completed a full season yet as a Chief.

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SNR
05-09-2012, 03:43 PM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQadPgr0xZE2rkq7vGQ0iX3gDruqMhM-__6fJQZcr6t4R_z5pJXxI16H2r3mw
Fogghorn Legghorn. A real American hero.

Dicky McElephant
05-09-2012, 03:51 PM
Seriously....this year HAS to be the year that we get a fucking QB.

Chief Roundup
05-09-2012, 03:59 PM
Seriously....this year HAS to be the year that we get a ****ing QB.

Must already be on the roster then.

whoman69
05-09-2012, 07:32 PM
Fogghorn Legghorn. A real American hero.

I say now, that boy is about as sharp as a bowling ball.

Ebolapox
05-09-2012, 09:17 PM
H5N5, what do you think of Ricky Stanzzi and Brady Quin's chances to unseat Cassell this year?

you're just the worst kind of person, snr.

jd1020
05-10-2012, 05:01 AM
Seriously....this year HAS to be the year that we get a ****ing QB.

The year the Chiefs draft a QB in the first round is the year that the 5th rounder goes on to win multiple SB's and winds up in the HOF.

Ebolapox
05-10-2012, 08:25 AM
The year the Chiefs draft a QB in the first round is the year that the 5th rounder goes on to win multiple SB's and winds up in the HOF.

OH NO, WHAT A HORRIBLE FATE TO HAVE!!!!!

SNR
05-10-2012, 12:17 PM
The year the Chiefs draft a QB in the first round is the year that the 5th rounder goes on to win multiple SB's and winds up in the HOF.I'm going to take a giant shit on your sister's face in victory when Stanzi proves all you haters wrong.

DJ's left nut
05-10-2012, 04:04 PM
I'm going to take a giant shit on your sister's face in victory when Stanzi proves all you haters wrong.

If you can guarantee that Stanzi will prove us all wrong (though I actually really like Stanzi), I will gladly let you take a giant shit on my sister's face.

See - teamwork. That's how shit gets done.

whoman69
05-10-2012, 07:40 PM
If you can guarantee that Stanzi will prove us all wrong (though I actually really like Stanzi), I will gladly let you take a giant shit on my sister's face.

See - teamwork. That's how shit gets done.

I don't think anyone can guarantee that. I can guarantee that Cassel will continue to suck.

jd1020
05-10-2012, 09:12 PM
I'm going to take a giant shit on your sister's face in victory when Stanzi proves all you haters wrong.

That wasn't directed at Stanzi. That was directed at w/e QB gets drafted in the 5th round of the same draft where the Chiefs finally draft a QB in the 1st.

SNR
05-10-2012, 11:14 PM
That wasn't directed at Stanzi. That was directed at w/e QB gets drafted in the 5th round of the same draft where the Chiefs finally draft a QB in the 1st.I'm still taking a shit on your sister's face.

jd1020
05-11-2012, 01:14 AM
Meh. She's only a half sister. It's all good.

ChiefMojo
05-19-2012, 01:07 PM
I like both Wilson and Bray but my personal fav is Logan Thomas. I see a better version of Josh Freeman. Big powerful QB with a big arm and good athletic ability (more athletic than Freeman). He may not be quite the athlete Cam Newton is, but he has the size of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEeozb91wXM Virgina Tech vs. Virgina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEsoBW8DZJg&feature=relmfu Virgina Tech vs. Miami

Dicky McElephant
05-19-2012, 01:14 PM
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ChiefMojo
05-19-2012, 01:17 PM
Thanks, much easier to view.

Dave Lane
05-20-2012, 12:19 PM
I'm a fan but I got to say I'm sure he's going to go in the top 10 picks and with any luck this year that's not where were going to be at.

Chiefnj2
05-21-2012, 09:32 AM
Miami was Thomas' best game by far.

He had a 55% or less completion percentage in 5 or 6 games last year, with some really bad games against poor competition. He is very inconsistent and raw. He'd be better off staying another year.

Sorter
05-24-2012, 11:19 AM
No thoughts on Geno Smith Direckshun?

Setsuna
05-24-2012, 11:48 AM
Get some!
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/wesa2j06/getsum.jpg

He may need to bulk up some but I think he'll be the top prospect.

Sorter
05-24-2012, 01:09 PM
Maybe in 2014, but if he comes out this year he isn't going to pass Barkley.

Sorter
05-24-2012, 01:09 PM
I do think he is a better prospect than Barkley though.

Chiefnj2
05-24-2012, 01:37 PM
I do think he is a better prospect than Barkley though.

Why? Injured both years he played and played poorly against good teams.

Sorter
05-24-2012, 02:20 PM
Why? Injured both years he played and played poorly against good teams.

Understandable views. Personally, I have a bias against USC QBs named Matt. I also think that the injury status of Bray is something that can be fixed with via weights + developing as a QB(getting the ball out quicker).

What I like about him is elite arm strength, command, pro-style offense, makes pretty good reads, and good footwork. Yes, he did play poorly for most of last year but he has some great flashes. Watch some tape; he is definitely better than Landry Jones, who somehow has a 1st round grade. I do think Tyler Wilson and Geno Smith are better prospects and would gladly take those two over Bray. This is a big year for him.

The reason I really like Wilson and Smith is because they elevated the level of their teammates. Without Wilson last year, Adams probably is a 5th round pick and Childs/Wright are probably UDFA who would be lucky to make a team, IMO.

Sorter
05-24-2012, 02:21 PM
Barkley has also had arguably the best talent around him at USC, whereas Bray has not, especially after the loss of recruits to Kiffin. Just food for thought.

gohogs14
06-06-2012, 01:11 PM
Understandable views. Personally, I have a bias against USC QBs named Matt. I also think that the injury status of Bray is something that can be fixed with via weights + developing as a QB(getting the ball out quicker).

What I like about him is elite arm strength, command, pro-style offense, makes pretty good reads, and good footwork. Yes, he did play poorly for most of last year but he has some great flashes. Watch some tape; he is definitely better than Landry Jones, who somehow has a 1st round grade. I do think Tyler Wilson and Geno Smith are better prospects and would gladly take those two over Bray. This is a big year for him.

The reason I really like Wilson and Smith is because they elevated the level of their teammates. Without Wilson last year, Adams probably is a 5th round pick and Childs/Wright are probably UDFA who would be lucky to make a team, IMO.

Well the major reason Adams was picked so high is for his added value on PR...and Childs actually had a better year with Mallett and was a projected 1st-2nd round pick before his injury

I would love for Wilson to go to the Chiefs but i think unless he has a horrible year he wont be there when they pick

Sorter
06-18-2012, 05:39 PM
Well the major reason Adams was picked so high is for his added value on PR...and Childs actually had a better year with Mallett and was a projected 1st-2nd round pick before his injury

I would love for Wilson to go to the Chiefs but i think unless he has a horrible year he wont be there when they pick

I think Childs bad year was reflective of his injury. I definitely think that Wilson is the 2nd QB off the board, unless Murray declares and has an outstanding season.

Okie_Apparition
07-04-2012, 05:56 AM
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saphojunkie
07-23-2012, 11:43 AM
I'm sorry, I still say there is zero chance the Jaguars come back and draft a QB in the first round again, unless Blaine Gabbert stops going to practice. The guy was a top 10 pick who struggled in his rookie season with zero talent around him. You think you cut your 10th overall pick after two years? Won't happen.

Anyone else think that the Jets and Chiefs will be in a staring competition to see who blinks first and gambles with another USC quarterback?

DA_T_84
07-25-2012, 10:49 PM
Highlight video. I like Bray's arm strength and accuracy on the deep balls. Looks like he stands and delivers in the pocket.

Physically, he reminds me of Rivers, minus the fruity side arm and the bitch-boy face.

He will be fun to watch this season, especially playing against future NFL caliber defenders.

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Bewbies
07-26-2012, 10:56 AM
Bray is accurate with beer bottles and golf balls.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-georgia-sports/2012/07/26/tennessee-qb-accused-of-vandalizing-cars/

Nightfyre
07-26-2012, 04:39 PM
Bray is accurate with beer bottles and golf balls.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-georgia-sports/2012/07/26/tennessee-qb-accused-of-vandalizing-cars/

She told police that Bray and Grandinetti had thrown beer bottles off a balcony and onto vehicles in the parking lot, the Associated Press reported. The report quotes her as saying an office manager for the complex told her Bray and Grandinetti had been “served with an eviction notice just prior to her arriving home.”

yikes. Might be a red flag or two there for Bray?

Bewbies
07-26-2012, 08:41 PM
yikes. Might be a red flag or two there for Bray?

All those losses have the boosters cutting his pay. :D

tomahawkchop25
07-31-2012, 02:00 AM
i want wilson. don't care if it takes an rg3 type haul. i will absolutely flip my crap if they don't take a qb in the 1st. i will flip my crap even more if they take landry jones. he's awful. i hate him. don't like barkley either.

Saccopoo
08-26-2012, 08:55 PM
Just to let you know, I'm pimping this guy with a passion for this next draft:

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This guy had defenders in his face all game long against one of the best defensive units in college last year and went for nearly 500 yards.

Geno Smith is an absolute stud with a wicked fast release, kick ass work ethic, good athlete, etc.

If he has another season like last year where he threw for approx. 4500 yards and 30 something touchdowns, he'll be first round material.

Sorter
08-28-2012, 08:45 PM
Definitely some good stuff in that game from Geno. I like Wilson more, but would be thrilled with either Murray or Smith. Would like those two over Bray. Haven't watched Logan Thomas enough to make any kind of assessment. However, I doubt that Murray or Bray come out this year.

Saccopoo
08-29-2012, 02:46 PM
Definitely some good stuff in that game from Geno. I like Wilson more, but would be thrilled with either Murray or Smith. Would like those two over Bray. Haven't watched Logan Thomas enough to make any kind of assessment. However, I doubt that Murray or Bray come out this year.

Geno Smith has a lot of Sam Bradford to his game with, perhaps, a better arm.

He's put up stellar numbers the past two years:

2011:

Att/Comp: 346-526
Yards: 4385
Comp %: 65.8
YPP: 8.34
Long: 84
TDs: 31
Ints: 7
Rating: 152.6



2010:
Att/Comp: 241/372
Yards: 2763
Comp %: 64.8
YPP: 7.43
Long: 71
TDs: 24
Ints: 7
Rating: 144.7

He's supposedly a film junkie with a terrific work ethic.

West Virginia gets a lot of pub for it's defense, but Smith is a very, very good player with a ton of potential.

Smith, tabbed as the conference's Preseason Offensive Player of the Year, is coming off an electric season in which he led the Mountaineers to a 10-3 record, including a 70-33 thumping of Clemson in the Orange Bowl.

Smith threw for 407 yards and six touchdowns with no interceptions in the team's season finale, capping his All-Big East junior campaign.

Mountaineers coach Dana Holgorsen said even though Smith is likely to rack up impressive stats -- he threw for 4,385 yards and 31 touchdowns in 2011 -- he is likely to be remembered for what his team was able to accomplish.

"He's progressed and he's got a chance to be pretty good," Holgorsen said. "He stacks up with a lot of other guys I've had in the past. He's going to be remembered for how many games he can win, and Geno's got the ability to make everybody else around him better."

In addition to his preseason Big 12 accolades, Smith has garnered national attention as he was selected to the Walter Camp Award and Maxwell Award watch lists.

Both prizes are given annually to the top player in college football. However, Smith said he hasn't let any of the hype impact his psyche.

"I haven't taken any thought into it," Smith said. "I don't let it affect me in any way. I'm not going to walk around here and boast as if it's some major accomplishment. The only thing that I'm worried about is winning games."

Sorter
09-02-2012, 01:33 AM
Awesome. I like Geno quite a bit as a draft pick. I'll watch some film in a couple of weeks and post my thoughts. With a quality year + if Wilson is struggling w/out Petrino (unlikely to be a severe drop-off IMO, but possible), it is plausible he moves ahead of Wilson. Food for thought.

Chiefnj2
09-04-2012, 11:21 AM
After week 1, I'd say:

Stock Same: Barkley, Smith, Wilson and Bray. (They all did well against inferior competition).

Stock Falling: Logan and Jones.

Chiefnj2
09-18-2012, 11:40 AM
Week 3 analysis from gbnreport.com

The college football world got stood on its head over the weekend when Southern Cal was upset by Stanford 21-14. The expectations were that the Trojans were maybe the only team in the country capable of standing up to the eventual SEC champion in the BCS title game in January; however, USCís road to Miami got a whole lot bumper with the loss. The loss to the Cardinal also may have had a major impact on the 2013 draft as Southern Cal QB Matt Barkley just didnít look like a presumptive #1 pick overall. True, Barkley was under incredible pressure all night long from a swarming Stanford defense; however, there are whispers in the pro scouting community that Barkley, who never had a cannon of an arm to begin with, just hasnít had the arm strength this season. As well, Barkleyís lack of athleticism and agility was also exposed by the Stanford pass rush. Bad as things were for Barkley, who completed just 20 of 41 passes against Stanford and had two passes picked off. In particular, Barkley has not been throwing the ball down the field and just isnít getting g much zip on his passes underneath. In addition, even USC head coach Lane Kiffin commented after the game that Barkely just wasnĎt making very good decisions in the pocket. And while it still may be a little early to write off Barkley as a potential #1 pick at the upcoming draft, heís no longer considered to be a lock to be the first player taken this coming April.

In fact, its possible that what was supposed to be the Year of the QB regarding the 2013 draft appears to be rapidly going south. In addition to Barkleyís woes, pro scouts are quietly worried about the long-term of health of Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson, who had been considered to be a possible rival for Barkley to be the first player taken this year. Wilson did not play in the Hogsí loss to Alabama last weekend because of a concussion he suffered in the teamís loss to Louisiana-Monroe the previous week. Of concern to NFL teams is the fact that Wilson also missed time in 2011 because of an earlier head injury.

It has also been a tough start to the year for Virginia Tech junior QB Logan Thomas, who was seen as a dark horse candidate to be a very early pick this year. At least physically, Thomas reminds scouts of Cam Newton the #1 pick at the 2011 who went on to become the first QB to ever throw for over 4,000 yards in his rookie season. The 6-5, 245-pound Thomas certainly looks the part; he also has the same kind of athleticism as Newton and can throw the ball threw a brick wall. However, Thomas just hasnít shown much in the way of elite touch so far this fall as he has completed just 54% of his pass attempts to date. That included a dismal 14 for 31 outing with three interceptions in last weekendís shocking upset at Pittsburgh, which hadnít been able to get out of its own way in two miserable losses to start its season.