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Deberg_1990
05-04-2012, 06:34 AM
:facepalm:


Trying to stop the bleeding and kill the cord cutters......Thoughts?



http://www.forbes.com/sites/thestreet/2012/05/01/is-hulu-about-to-turn-the-screws-on-consumers/



I must preface this article by saying, the following rumor comes from the NY Post.

That said, the newspaper has been right before. Even if they’re not, the report the newspaper published over the weekend holds considerable meaning for investors in and observers of the media space.

The Post claims that Hulu plans to shift to a model where subscribers to the online streaming service must prove that they also subscribe to pay-cable or satellite television. According to the report, this is one factor that led to Providence Equity Partners’ decision to sell its stake in Hulu to majority owners News Corp. (NWSA), Disney (DIS) and Comcast (CMCSA).

If this happens, it only cements my contention that content owners call the shots, leaving middlemen such as Netflix (NFLX) flapping in the breeze. Just the threat of it happening is enough to let Netflix and even Apple (AAPL), who reportedly has streaming content ambitions, know who is boss.

The knee-jerk reaction to this news: Consumers will just ditch Hulu and go to other streaming services for their content. While they might reject Hulu, they’re not going to be able to find content quite as a fresh on any other free or inexpensive service or one that does not require some sort of cable or satellite subscription.

Fair or not, the old guard that controls Hulu (and the old guard in general) has companies like Netflix as well as consumers right where they want them. Why? Because they own and control the content. They can effectively make you pay twice to access that content via two mediums that have, for all intents and purposes, become one and the same — TV and Internet.

And, as Stacey Higginbotham notes over at Gigaom, Washington does not appear ready to challenge this type of move if Hulu makes it:

“Instead of understanding what that convergence meant for the economics of old and new industries and what regulations might be needed to avoid protectionist behavior by pay TV providers and broadcasters, [a recent Senate hearing dealt] more with discussions around reworking the Telecommunications Act of 1996 for the current era.

Couple this with recent TV Everywhere deals between companies like Disney and Comcast and reports of more to come (the Post says Fox is in talks with Comcast on a similar deal) and the future looks bleak for Netflix as well as consumers who would like to cut the cord and still watch quality programming. Bottom line, the old guard is just not going to give you premium programming for the cost of a standalone streaming subscription.

As things evolve you can stream all of the old and stale scraps you want at places like Netflix, but if you want anything resembling fresh content, you’ll need to pay more via on-demand offerings through outlets such as cable, satellite or iTunes.

Consider the deal Disney announced. It opened ESPN programming up to mobile devices, but only to customers of Verizon (VZ), Time Warner Cable (TWC) and Bright House Networks. That hook up went down last year and the government has not voiced any objection that I know of. And, of course, Time Warner (TWX) only allows HBO subscribers to access HBO GO.

It gets even better for the old guard content owners and worse for glorified bootleggers like Netflix. If the old guard faces any consumer protection-related regulatory pressure, it can quickly and easily concede. While they might have to toss cable and satellite providers under the bus, the outcome of government intervention likely will not benefit companies such as Netflix.

If Washington forces the old guard to open up digital delivery of its programming to nonsubscribers of cable and satellite, it can do it via its own platforms, whether that’s Hulu or some TV Everywhere effort. As I have been saying for the last year, that’s long overdue – a tier-based subscription service supported by advertising where content owners and deliverers share revenue.

There’s a reason why I am long stocks like TWX, Viacom (VIAB), Madison Square Garden (MSG), Rogers Communication (RCI) and BCE, Inc. (BCE). They own or control premium content and, in many cases, they share or have complete control over the mode(s) of delivery for that content.

In this regard, they have power over Netflix and even stronger companies like Apple, Google (GOOG) and Amazon.com (AMZN).

WhitiE
05-04-2012, 07:05 AM
Guess I won't be cutting my cable....

the Talking Can
05-04-2012, 07:09 AM
goodby hulu and roku

htismaqe
05-04-2012, 07:19 AM
My DirecTV contract is up in July and I was considering getting a Roku instead.

I'm tired of them jacking up my price. They've got it all figured out, just like the cable companies and cell phone companies. Churn is GOOD. Give the world to get customers, do nothing to keep them. For every person that disconnects, 5 are too apathetic or have no other option and pay the higher prices instead.

I'm tired of my $75 cable or satellite bill being $175 by year 3.

Demonpenz
05-04-2012, 11:49 AM
Good

Guru
05-04-2012, 03:36 PM
If this rumor proves to be true... Fuck'em

I was actually considering signing up to their pay service but I'll wait and see what comes of this now.

Bump
05-04-2012, 04:25 PM
I thought that their pay service was completely worthless, so I cancelled after 1 month of trying it out. What a joke.

Guru
05-04-2012, 04:35 PM
I thought that their pay service was completely worthless, so I cancelled after 1 month of trying it out. What a joke.

It is crap that they are looking to cut out the cord cutters. god forbid we are tired of all the ridiculous rates.

Guru
05-04-2012, 04:39 PM
What is real annoying is all the deals being made with providers that are not in every market.

mnchiefsguy
05-04-2012, 05:05 PM
Good

Not sure how gouging the customer is a good thing. In the end, Hulu will fold after losing tons of their subscribers, and the customer loses because they have one less entertainment option.

L.A. Chieffan
05-04-2012, 09:02 PM
Just torrent everything. Done.

SnakeXJones
05-04-2012, 09:08 PM
Hulu is terrible anyway

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2012, 08:52 AM
goodby hulu and roku

There is still Netflix.

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2012, 08:58 AM
I've never used Hulu because I'm not paying them to watch commercials.

lcarus
05-06-2012, 11:29 AM
Just torrent everything. Done.

Good plan. If I miss an episode of House, I just torrent it. Even sometimes if I have it on my DVR, I'll torrent it at work just because I'm impatient. It's also really nice to have all the commercials cut out for you. I'm gonna fast forward through them all anyway.

I also don't have a problem with downloading torrents of movies. I never bought movies before seeing them anyway in the past, so they aren't losing money. I'd always borrow movies from a friend or my family, or occasionally rent from a video store or Redbox. If anything, some movies I've downloaded I ended up buying on blu-ray if I really liked them. In fact, I own about 30 blu-rays and I'd say a large portion of them I initially viewed through downloading.

Buck
05-06-2012, 11:31 AM
Soon, Netflix will make you send in your DVD receipts and Movie Ticket Stubs, and you can only get those Shows/Movies that you've already paid for on your Netflix Instant...and you still have to pay a monthly fee.

lcarus
05-06-2012, 11:35 AM
Soon, Netflix will make you send in your DVD receipts and Movie Ticket Stubs, and you can only get those Shows/Movies that you've already paid for on your Netflix Instant...and you still have to pay a monthly fee.

They'll lose all their customers if they do anything remotely close to that.

Buck
05-06-2012, 11:37 AM
Yeah I was joking, but that's essentially what Hulu is doing.

Bump
05-06-2012, 12:16 PM
It is crap that they are looking to cut out the cord cutters. god forbid we are tired of all the ridiculous rates.

yup, remember when consumers and demand determined the price of stuff? Soon these streaming services will either cost a shit ton or will be illegal. And it's because of greedy business who control our government and instead of adapting and evolving they will just monopolize.

Bump
05-06-2012, 12:20 PM
Once my DTV contract is up in a year, I'm getting rid of that and will just rough it without TV. Cell phone, I'm gonna ditch that too and go back to the ancient days of lan lines. Why? Because I don't like that these companies can charge outrages rates because they have monopolized the market. The only thing I will have to keep paying for is internet, which 2 years ago costed me $45 per month and now it's $80 per month, they just gradually doubled the price. Why? because they can, I only have 1 other option in my area. If I weren't getting ready to move in 3 or 4 months, I'd switch but I'll just have to be victimized until then.

drunkie
05-06-2012, 02:10 PM
you can thank comcast for this. they will screw up hulu thinking it will force people back to comcrap. you knew it was only a matter of time before something like this happened once comcast bought them

Ultra Peanut
05-06-2012, 03:19 PM
http://i.imgur.com/csqZB.gif

MoreLemonPledge
05-06-2012, 03:58 PM
Fuck that. I will say that Hulu has been a huge saving grace since I've gotten rid of cable, but I'll probably just end up getting a tuner card for my computer to DVR the shows I want. Most of it comes over the air anyway.

morphius
05-06-2012, 11:05 PM
Fuck that. I will say that Hulu has been a huge saving grace since I've gotten rid of cable, but I'll probably just end up getting a tuner card for my computer to DVR the shows I want. Most of it comes over the air anyway.
Plus most of those shows are available on the networks Web sites for free, it is just less convenient.

Demonpenz
05-06-2012, 11:47 PM
Not sure how gouging the customer is a good thing. In the end, Hulu will fold after losing tons of their subscribers, and the customer loses because they have one less entertainment option.

People watch to much TV anyways. Like one of the greatest people ever lived said "Free your mind and the rest will follow" /en vouge

Setsuna
05-09-2012, 10:54 PM
People watch to much TV anyways. Like one of the greatest people ever lived said "Free your mind and the rest will follow" /en vouge

How the fuck can you free your mind if you don't open it to all manner of images/languages/cultures and shit that TV provides. Penz go away, your attempt at trolling is shit 20 fold.

Demonpenz
05-10-2012, 03:38 PM
be color blind. Don't be so shallow.

1moreTRich
05-11-2012, 08:28 AM
My DirecTV contract is up in July and I was considering getting a Roku instead.

I'm tired of them jacking up my price. They've got it all figured out, just like the cable companies and cell phone companies. Churn is GOOD. Give the world to get customers, do nothing to keep them. For every person that disconnects, 5 are too apathetic or have no other option and pay the higher prices instead.

I'm tired of my $75 cable or satellite bill being $175 by year 3.

Direct TV is very good about keeping their customers. I call their retention line about once every 6 months or so and see what specials they are running. Depending on things, I usually get $10-$20 for 3 to 6 months and a premium channel or two for 3 months. I have even called for completely different issues and they say, "hey we have a $10 credit for 6 months and 3 months of free showtime we can offer you for being a customer". Right now my bill is $58 for their Choice package.

Fruit Ninja
05-11-2012, 04:15 PM
Just torrent everything. Done.

Thats what they are pushing everything too. Let them make their own bed.

Fruit Ninja
05-11-2012, 04:18 PM
Once my DTV contract is up in a year, I'm getting rid of that and will just rough it without TV. Cell phone, I'm gonna ditch that too and go back to the ancient days of lan lines. Why? Because I don't like that these companies can charge outrages rates because they have monopolized the market. The only thing I will have to keep paying for is internet, which 2 years ago costed me $45 per month and now it's $80 per month, they just gradually doubled the price. Why? because they can, I only have 1 other option in my area. If I weren't getting ready to move in 3 or 4 months, I'd switch but I'll just have to be victimized until then.

i cant do that, for live sports. I need my nba play offs. Also, the NFL SUnday Ticket. No way in hell am i ever going back to watching the NIners and Raiders play. on Sundays.

Direct tv is good at giving deals if you say you are canceling. They make it hard to make that choice.