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Count Zarth
05-30-2012, 12:29 AM
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Jonathan Baldwin established a reputation for making the near-impossible catch last year with an around-the-defender grab of a pass against the Denver Broncos.

He solidified it at the Chiefs’ practice on Tuesday, when he made a one-handed diving grab of a Matt Cassel pass for a touchdown over cornerback Stanford Routt. Baldwin’s ability to go up and get a pass has prompted Cassel and other Chiefs quarterbacks to attempt throws to Baldwin in one-on-one coverage that they might not make to other receivers.

By now, they’re aware the 6-foot-4, 230-pound Baldwin has a distinct size advantage over most cornerbacks and will win most jump-ball opportunities.

“He’s a guy that likes to go up and compete,” Cassel said, “and there’s not a lot of corners in the league that can go up vertically with him.

“Guys like that, you have to give them an opportunity to make a play. He’s such a big target, and he’s so physical that you just kind of have to put it in the vicinity and try not to overthrow him. Just give him an opportunity to go up and out-battle somebody for the ball.”

In this case, that somebody was Routt, who, at 6-foot-1, is tall for a cornerback. But he was no match for Baldwin on this particular play.

Routt, left alone with Baldwin down the sideline, wrestled with the bigger receiver as the ball was on its way.

In a game, Routt probably would’ve been called for pass interference. He wound up pinning one of Baldwin’s arms against his body as the receiver reached for the pass.

Routt’s biggest mistake was in not pinning both of Baldwin’s arms. Baldwin made the catch one-handed, and all Routt could do afterward was shake his head.

“It happens,” Routt said. “I’m not worried about it. It’s football. Sometimes you make the play, and sometimes he makes the play.”

The catch came with just seconds remaining in a two-minute drill near the end of practice and was just the kind of thing the Chiefs envisioned when they made Baldwin their first-round draft pick last year.

“It was a two-minute situation and the coach is always talking about making plays,” Baldwin said. “I just had to step up and make a play.

“As receivers, we always want to go and make the play. I just want to make every play I possibly can. I was fortunate to make the play.”

Count Cassel among the impressed.

“The one against Denver was pretty impressive last year,” Cassel said. “But it was a great catch. Those are the kind of plays you need, especially in a two-minute drill.”

In addition to his reception against the Broncos, which was erased by a penalty not involving Baldwin, the Chiefs got a taste of his knack for the big catch in a Monday night win over the San Diego Chargers. Baldwin went over cornerback Marcus Gilchrist to catch a 39-yard touchdown pass.

Otherwise, the Chiefs mostly failed last season to use Baldwin to their advantage. That was his only touchdown as a rookie and the longest play among his 21 receptions.

But plays like the one in practice Tuesday suggest the Chiefs will try harder to find ways to get Baldwin matched up in single coverage.

“When you have a guy like Jon, there’s a bigger window,” reserve quarterback Ricky Stanzi said. “He’s a big body, and he has great hands. You always want to put the ball right on him, but you do have a better chance if you do miss for him to come up and make a play. He can make your mistakes look really good.”

Routt now knows that as well as anyone. While with the Raiders last season, he played twice against Baldwin and the Chiefs. But Baldwin had just two catches against Oakland, the longest going for 14 yards.

“It’s the same thing when you have to defend any tall receiver,” Routt said. “Obviously, (be aware of) the jump ball. Obviously, you’ve got to be a little more physical with him because he’s a bigger target.

“He uses his body pretty good. On that catch, he did a pretty good job. I know last year, he was a rookie and he was young. But you can tell he’s definitely taken some strides since last year.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/29/3632582/baldwin-emerges-as-the-chiefs.html#storylink=cpy

CrazyPhuD
05-30-2012, 01:35 AM
Well that's a bonus....because even wide open the WR still often needs to make a circus catch with Cassel.....

Fritz88
05-30-2012, 01:41 AM
Love how Pioli is pimping up Jon B. and use that as a leverage against Bowe.
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Count Zarth
05-30-2012, 01:43 AM
Love how Pioli is pimping up Jon B. and use that as a leverage against Bowe.
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You love that, really?

Cus leveraging a guy with 21 career catches and a bad habit of the dropsies against a guy who has been to multiple Pro Bowls looks ignorant at best and arrogant at worst.

Rausch
05-30-2012, 02:45 AM
You love that, really?

Cus leveraging a guy with 21 career catches and a bad habit of the dropsies against a guy who has been to multiple Pro Bowls looks ignorant at best and arrogant at worst.

It reeks of Carl.

Pay the man and move on. If the cap is a problem ask our leader at QB to take a fucking pay cut...

Fritz88
05-30-2012, 03:29 AM
You love that, really?

Cus leveraging a guy with 21 career catches and a bad habit of the dropsies against a guy who has been to multiple Pro Bowls looks ignorant at best and arrogant at worst.

What do you know about Bowe's demands?
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Count Zarth
05-30-2012, 03:38 AM
What do you know about Bowe's demands?
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Nothing.

But I know that Pioli doesn't have a leg to stand on in these negotiations.

He has a bottom 1/3 QB, a RB coming off a major injury, an offense coming off just about the worst season in franchise history, a #2 receiver who has 9 career TD, and a #3 receiver who just about led the NFL in drop rate a season ago.

This is a passing league. We need our top gun.

I'm pretty sure Scott Pioli needs Dwayne Bowe a lot more than Dwayne Bowe needs Scott Pioli.

And if he doesn't realize that and do what he has to do, everyone on this board should call the better business bureau and report that fat balding fuck.

Fritz88
05-30-2012, 04:52 AM
Nothing.

But I know that Pioli doesn't have a leg to stand on in these negotiations.

He has a bottom 1/3 QB, a RB coming off a major injury, an offense coming off just about the worst season in franchise history, a #2 receiver who has 9 career TD, and a #3 receiver who just about led the NFL in drop rate a season ago.

This is a passing league. We need our top gun.

I'm pretty sure Scott Pioli needs Dwayne Bowe a lot more than Dwayne Bowe needs Scott Pioli.

And if he doesn't realize that and do what he has to do, everyone on this board should call the better business bureau and report that fat balding fuck.

Pioli wants Bowe.
Pioli will get Bowe.
Bowe will not help himself by pulling a Vincent Jackson.
Bottom line is, Bowe will feel threatened by Baldwin and this whole fuzz about JB will have Bowe reconsidering how to approach this.
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Rausch
05-30-2012, 05:06 AM
Well now that he's finally made it I can go to bed...

Saulbadguy
05-30-2012, 05:16 AM
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Coogs
05-30-2012, 05:52 AM
If the cap is a problem ask our leader at QB to take a fucking pay cut...

I'd be against that. Pay cuts usually amount to more years being added to contracts to lessen out bonus money paid up front to cheapen the cap hit. Not in favor of years being added to Cassels contract.

Ace Gunner
05-30-2012, 05:56 AM
You love that, really?

Cus leveraging a guy with 21 career catches and a bad habit of the dropsies against a guy who has been to multiple Pro Bowls looks ignorant at best and arrogant at worst.

what the hail are you manufacturing here? bowe was at 1 pro bowl and is notorious for his fantastic drops. he's never been voted all pro.

wendler, baldwin is going to make fans forget bowe was ever a chief if he keeps this shit up.

Chiefnj2
05-30-2012, 06:01 AM
I don't think I've ever seen so much hype over an OTA catch.

Ace Gunner
05-30-2012, 06:03 AM
that's because you have no ****ing clue how much better than bowe baldwin is going to be.

oh, and I should have announced it -- let the butthurters begin.

wazu
05-30-2012, 06:07 AM
Wow! Routt sucks even more than Baldwin!

Marcellus
05-30-2012, 07:17 AM
Nothing.

But I know that Pioli doesn't have a leg to stand on in these negotiations.

You are clueless. Bowe isn't going to forfeit $9MM this season to sit out so he will be playing whether he gets a new contract or not.

I think Bowe stands a better shot at getting that contract by showing up for TC and showing he is willing to play and negotiate rather than hold out and get into a pissing match.

Ace Gunner
05-30-2012, 07:22 AM
bowe will be there when TC starts. he has to be.

Chiefnj2
05-30-2012, 07:33 AM
What was the purpose of being 20-30 mil under the cap the last few years if the team isn't going to overspend on a few of their own players like Carr or Bowe?

oldman
05-30-2012, 07:33 AM
My first thought when I read those articles was that MC didn't throw the ball 40 yards. Then I read it was a circus catch and knew it was a Cassel pass. But back to subject.
Bowe will be in TC with a new contract, end of discussion. Pioli knows that this is a make or break year for MC so he'll make sure every weapon is in place. If MC sucks as usual, not even SP can justify keeping him as the #1 QB.

durtyrute
05-30-2012, 07:36 AM
This reminds me of all of the times Cassel failed to hit the receiver in stride and said receiver had to jump five feet in the air to catch the ball. If he could just bring his high ass passes down, the WR could keep running and get more yards.

I'll still back the fugger as long as he is a Chief though.

KCUnited
05-30-2012, 07:38 AM
I don't think I've ever seen so much hype over an OTA catch.

And yet it's still the number 2 play behind the still photo of Stanzi's drop back.

Marcellus
05-30-2012, 07:40 AM
This reminds me of all of the times Cassel failed to hit the receiver in stride and said receiver had to jump five feet in the air to catch the ball. If he could just bring his high ass passes down, the WR could keep running and get more yards.

I'll still back the fugger as long as he is a Chief though.

Not defending Cassel here but I don't recall too many plays where a QB has hit a receiver in stride 40 yards down the field. Usually the receiver is either slowing up to adjust or going up to make a play on the ball, and keep in mind this play was in the endzone so no chance of hitting him in stride 40 yards out.

Just sayin.

Molitoth
05-30-2012, 07:49 AM
It reeks of Carl.

Pay the man and move on. If the cap is a problem ask our leader at QB to take a ****ing pay cut...

EFFING THIS!!!!!!!!!!

durtyrute
05-30-2012, 09:04 AM
Not defending Cassel here but I don't recall too many plays where a QB has hit a receiver in stride 40 yards down the field. Usually the receiver is either slowing up to adjust or going up to make a play on the ball, and keep in mind this play was in the endzone so no chance of hitting him in stride 40 yards out.

Just sayin.

That is very true. I didn't mean this play in particular, or any 40 yard play. I should have been more clear, my bad. It seems like most of his passes are high so the receivers have to jump out of their shoes time and time again. Maybe the WR's like that, maybe it's by design, I'm not sure. It's just something that I noticed over the past couple of years. Sometimes it's not necessary to jump or to throw the ball so damn high.

and it's cool that you're a Cassel lover, I won't tell......./jk

SNR
05-30-2012, 09:47 AM
What was the purpose of being 20-30 mil under the cap the last few years if the team isn't going to overspend on a few of their own players like Carr or Bowe?We were saving up for a new RT.

Tribal Warfare
05-30-2012, 09:57 AM
Cassel among the impressed.

“But it was a great catch. Those are the kind of plays you need, especially in a 2-minute drill.”

Cassel Speak: thanks for saving my ass

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 10:44 AM
The plan will be to single cover Bowe all day because he isn't a big play threat and then don't worry about Baldwin unless he is running a go route.

Count Zarth
05-30-2012, 10:49 AM
The plan will be is single cover Bowe all day because he isn't a big play threat and then don't worry about Baldwin unless he is running a go route.

Charles all day, you bitch.

SNR
05-30-2012, 10:51 AM
The plan will be is single cover Bowe all day because he isn't a big play threat and then don't worry about Baldwin unless he is running a go route.Cute. That's cute.

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 10:55 AM
Charles all day, you bitch.

We will have to ease Jamaal into the offense. The first 8 weeks of the year we shouldn't give him more than 10 carries in any game.

Sorter
05-30-2012, 11:01 AM
The plan will be to single cover Bowe all day because he isn't a big play threat and then don't worry about Baldwin unless he is running a go route.

LMAO, Baldwin has prototypical size and hands to be an excellent possession receiver. Add in his speed, and he as qualities that can make him a legitimate #1. He may never be, but the physical traits are all there. Simply needs reps, which he is getting due to Bowe being out.

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 11:03 AM
Baldwin needs to learn how to be a receiver. As it stands now, all he can do is run in a straight line and jump really high. This is why I feel letting go of Haley was a mistake. He was a mastermind at coaching WR's.

Saul Good
05-30-2012, 11:08 AM
We will have to ease Jamaal into the offense. The first 8 weeks of the year we shouldn't give him more than 10 carries in any game.

I think you're being over cautious. He had surgery on his knee, not his neck.

Pasta Giant Meatball
05-30-2012, 11:09 AM
Just because they can easily single cover those below average Donkey recievers, doesn't make it true for everyone.

SNR
05-30-2012, 11:10 AM
Baldwin needs to learn how to be a receiver. As it stands now, all he can do is run in a straight line and jump really high. This is why I feel letting go of Haley was a mistake. He was a mastermind at coaching WR's.No. That was the route (pun not intended) Demaryius Thomas had to follow. All HE could do as a rookie was run in a straight line.

Baldwin was the most NFL-ready WR in the draft behind Jones and Green last year.

Pasta Giant Meatball
05-30-2012, 11:12 AM
I upped Baldwin to 99 in Madden because of the latest developments.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 11:14 AM
I'm liking what I hear about this Routt guy.

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 11:16 AM
No. That was the route (pun not intended) Demaryius Thomas had to follow. All HE could do as a rookie was run in a straight line.

Baldwin was the most NFL-ready WR in the draft behind Jones and Green last year.

That was the book on DT coming out, and he still isn't a polished route runner but isn't just a go-route WR anymore. DT is more of an athlete though. He is incredibly agile for a guy his size. He moves like a 5'11'' 190 pound guy.

I saw all of Baldwin's highlight tapes coming out and all I remember was him jumping over guys down the sideline.

Pasta Giant Meatball
05-30-2012, 11:17 AM
I think he can handle Upper Decker.

Pasta Giant Meatball
05-30-2012, 11:18 AM
That was the book on Delirium Tremens coming out, and he still isn't a polished route runner but isn't just a go-route WR anymore. Delirium Tremens is more of an athlete though. He is incredibly agile for a guy his size. He moves like a 5'11'' 190 pound guy.

I have no clue what I'm talking about regarding Baldwin.

FYP :cuss:

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 11:19 AM
I think you're being over cautious. He had surgery on his knee, not his neck.

Jamaal's legs are what pay his bills. Peyton's arm and knowledge of the game pay his. The neck thing is a non-issue.

BossChief
05-30-2012, 11:20 AM
The plan will be to single cover Bowe all day because he isn't a big play threat and then don't worry about Baldwin unless he is running a go route.

Bowe raped Champ in the finale even though you guys bracketed him.

Who the fuck on your team could single cover either of our wideouts?

Welching little bitch.

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 11:21 AM
FYP :cuss:

Delirium Tremmens takes a lot longer to type out than DT does.

mikey23545
05-30-2012, 11:22 AM
Baldwin emerges as the Chiefs’ go-to receiver in single coverage


I didn't realize the season had even started yet.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 11:23 AM
Bowe raped Champ in the finale even though you guys bracketed him.

Who the **** on your team could single cover either of our wideouts?

Welching little bitch.

You still have a couple more months to believe this before the reality of the horror that is the Chiefs offense sets in.
Enjoy.

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 11:23 AM
Bowe raped Champ in the finale even though you guys bracketed him.

Who the **** on your team could single cover either of our wideouts?

Welching little bitch.

And Champ held Bowe to 2 catches for 17 yards the game before that. Bowe isn't a big play WR. How many times has Bowe taken a 15 yard pass 80 yards to the house?

Bowe is too slow. He will take a 5 yard pass and take it 10-15 but that's it.

Pasta Giant Meatball
05-30-2012, 11:26 AM
Delirium Tremmens takes a lot longer to type out than DT does.

You will use the name and you will like it.

Tribal Warfare
05-30-2012, 11:29 AM
And Champ held Bowe to 2 catches for 17 yards the game before that. Bowe isn't a big play WR. How many times has Bowe taken a 15 yard pass 80 yards to the house?

Bowe is too slow. He will take a 5 yard pass and take it 10-15 but that's it.

That's because Cassel is an inaccurate pussy.

BossChief
05-30-2012, 11:37 AM
And Champ held Bowe to 2 catches for 17 yards the game before that. Bowe isn't a big play WR. How many times has Bowe taken a 15 yard pass 80 yards to the house?

Bowe is too slow. He will take a 5 yard pass and take it 10-15 but that's it.

15 tds while paired with Cassel in 2010.

Decker and Tremens COMBINED CAREER TOUCHDOWN TOTALS are 16.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 11:41 AM
15 tds while paired with Cassel in 2010.

Decker and Tremens COMBINED CAREER TOUCHDOWN TOTALS are 16.

Let's talk about Decker and DT's stats vs. Bowe and whoever KC runs out there at the end of this year.

Setsuna
05-30-2012, 11:49 AM
So because of one circus catch? Wow. The homerism is strong here. The real problem is Routt is going to be called for PI constantly. That was a good investment, eh?

Okie_Apparition
05-30-2012, 11:53 AM
I assume Bowe wants to skip some OTAs & TC
he'll only get a chance or two to do so...

BigChiefFan
05-30-2012, 11:55 AM
Delirium Tremmens takes a lot longer to type out than DT does.
Tough shit. Now drop and give me fifty.

SNR
05-30-2012, 11:58 AM
And Champ held Bowe to 2 catches for 17 yards the game before that. Bowe isn't a big play WR. How many times has Bowe taken a 15 yard pass 80 yards to the house?

Bowe is too slow. He will take a 5 yard pass and take it 10-15 but that's it.
Speedy WRs are easy to acquire. Every team has a guy like that. Delirium Tremmens is nothing special in that regard.

WRs with 12-foot long penises, however, are NOT easy to acquire. You have Megatron and Bowe, and that's about it. MAYBE Julio Jones, but that's only because his other outstanding physical attributes play such a big part in his raping ability.

I'm talking brute force. Bobby Sippio-type raping. Catching the ball and fucking everybody's mothers on the field.

If I'm a GM and need to build a WR corps from scratch, I'll go for the slow Dwayne Bowe over the routeless dickless Tremmens every goddamn time.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 11:59 AM
Did you just say Megatron and Bowe in the same sentence?

SNR
05-30-2012, 12:00 PM
There are two or three posters who have quoted me in their signatures. Goes something like this:

"Dwayne Bowe swings the biggest, chocolatiest, penis in the AFC West"

And it's true, too.

SNR
05-30-2012, 12:01 PM
Did you just say Megatron and Bowe in the same sentence?
Megatron is better, but the only WR who comes close to Megatron's YAC ability is Bowe. Both guys get their yards by raping children.

I don't know of any other WRs who play quite like those two do.

Tribal Warfare
05-30-2012, 12:02 PM
Did you just say Megatron and Bowe in the same sentence?

Calvin Johnson has Stafford, Bowe has Cassel the comparison has merit.

Von Dumbass
05-30-2012, 12:02 PM
Brandon Marshall could outrape Dwayne Bowe any day of the week.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 12:02 PM
Megatron is better, but the only WR who comes close to Megatron's YAC ability is Bowe. Both guys get their yards by raping children.

I don't know of any other WRs who play quite like those two do.

LMAO Dear god man listen to yourself.

Tribal Warfare
05-30-2012, 12:03 PM
Brandon Marshall could outrape Dwayne Bowe any day of the week.

getting stabbed by girlfriends doesn't help.

SNR
05-30-2012, 12:06 PM
LMAO Dear god man listen to yourself.Prove me wrong, troll. I dare you.

Show me somebody who can put a safety on his ass like Bowe does. I already acknowledged Megatron does it better. Who else? There is nobody.

And get that Brandon Marshall garbage out of here, Knowmo.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 12:14 PM
Don't know what "put a safety on his ass" quantifies as but some WR's I'd rather have include Fitz, Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Stevie Johnson, Roddy White. Can think of more if you want.
It's great you back your own guy but Megatron he isn't.

SNR
05-30-2012, 12:18 PM
Don't know what "put a safety on his ass" quantifies as but some WR's I'd rather have include Fitz, Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Stevie Johnson, Roddy White. Can think of more if you want.
It's great you back your own guy but Megatron he isn't.Do you speak fucking English?

Go back to Mexico.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 12:19 PM
Do you speak ****ing English?

Go back to Mexico.

Que? I'm sorry if I didn't answer your question, I wasn't clear on what you were asking.

SNR
05-30-2012, 12:21 PM
You do realize that there are different types of WRs with different types of skill sets, right? Ed McCaffrey wasn't Rod Smith, and Brandon Marshall isn't Eric Decker. Surely you realize that, yes? Just because Wes Welker outran defenders 80 yards for a TD doesn't mean he can do what Bowe does.

Are you following me? Do I have to explain further?

Sorter
05-30-2012, 12:21 PM
Baldwin needs to learn how to be a receiver. As it stands now, all he can do is run in a straight line and jump really high. This is why I feel letting go of Haley was a mistake. He was a mastermind at coaching WR's.

Yes, as it stands right now, he is a one tick pony. However, Sirani(sp) has a pretty good reputation. I'm confident that while Baldwin may never reach elite status, he still has a more than adequate chance of being a true #1 for us. As others have pointed out, DT was very similar coming out.

And to those ripping on Routt, he is going to be fine. There aren't that many corners who will consistently win 1-1 jump ball situations with Baldwin, period.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 12:23 PM
You do realize that there are different types of WRs with different types of skill sets, right? Ed McCaffrey wasn't Rod Smith, and Brandon Marshall isn't Eric Decker. Surely you realize that, yes? Just because Wes Welker outran defenders 80 yards for a TD doesn't mean he can do what Bowe does.

Are you following me? Do I have to explain further?

I'm sure Welker could clap his skillets together and drop passes if he wanted to.

SNR
05-30-2012, 12:25 PM
I'm sure Welker could clap his skillets together and drop passes if he wanted to.

Somebody should write and illustrate a goddamn children's book for you so you can understand this concept.

Sorter
05-30-2012, 12:30 PM
Don't know what "put a safety on his ass" quantifies as but some WR's I'd rather have include Fitz, Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Stevie Johnson, Roddy White. Can think of more if you want.
It's great you back your own guy but Megatron he isn't.

Fitz, Andre, and Megatron are far and away the best 3 wide outs imo. Jennings, Roddy, Dwanye, AJ Green, Lloyd, Steve Smith, Marshall, Holmes, Johnson (Bills), VJackson, Nicks, Dez, Miles Austin, and Britt are all #1's who are roughly around the same skill/talent level. AJ Green probably has the highest ceiling along with Dez, and Dwayne imo, but they are not in the same league yet as the previous 3. I would rather have AJ Green than Dwayne, but thats probably about it, minus the top 3 guys.

BossChief
05-30-2012, 12:44 PM
Don't know what "put a safety on his ass" quantifies as but some WR's I'd rather have include Fitz, Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Stevie Johnson, Roddy White. Can think of more if you want.
It's great you back your own guy but Megatron he isn't.

Fitz and Andre, absolutely.

No way in hell I'd trade Bowe for White, Johnson or Jennings.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 12:47 PM
Fitz, Andre, and Megatron are far and away the best 3 wide outs imo. Jennings, Roddy, Dwanye, AJ Green, Lloyd, Steve Smith, Marshall, Holmes, Johnson (Bills), VJackson, Nicks, Dez, Miles Austin, and Britt are all #1's who are roughly around the same skill/talent level. AJ Green probably has the highest ceiling along with Dez, and Dwayne imo, but they are not in the same league yet as the previous 3. I would rather have AJ Green than Dwayne, but thats probably about it, minus the top 3 guys.

Well stated assessment.

vailpass
05-30-2012, 12:48 PM
Fitz and Andre, absolutely.

No way in hell I'd trade Bowe for White, Johnson or Jennings.

You are Chiefs Front Office material, no question.

Sorter
05-30-2012, 12:50 PM
It is crazy to think that Steve Smith is a legit #1 for being so short too. He's not an exclusive slot guy like Welker and is the same size. What a fucking monster.

DBOSHO
05-30-2012, 01:13 PM
And Champ held Bowe to 2 catches for 17 yards the game before that. Bowe isn't a big play WR. How many times has Bowe taken a 15 yard pass 80 yards to the house?

Bowe is too slow. He will take a 5 yard pass and take it 10-15 but that's it.

Lol colts last year. Tenn in 2010. I realize he will never be half the reciever demarious is, but cmon.

Sorter
05-30-2012, 01:16 PM
Lol colts last year. Tenn in 2010. I realize he will never be Mike Wallace, but cmon.

Fixed