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Okie_Apparition
06-01-2012, 07:34 PM
Center is a snap so far for Rodney Hudson

June, 1, 2012 Jun 17:00PM ETBy Bill Williamson

One of the main objectives in Kansas City during the OTAs is to get expected new starting center Rodney Hudson up to speed at his position.

Hudson, a second-round draft choice in 2011, is expected to take over as the center. Former starter Casey Wiegmann is expected to retire. The Chiefs took Hudson as a guard/center prospect out of Florida State with an eye on him starting in his second season.

Even though Hudson didn’t play center in college, the Chiefs are confident in him. He has looked strong in OTAs thus far, Kansas City coach Romeo Crennel said.

“One of the things that we wanted to see is what kind of command that he would take of the offensive line,” Crennel told reporters in Kansas City on Friday. “It looks like he’s doing a nice job of it because he’s been asked to (identify) the (middle linebacker) and re-ID on front. He seems to be handling that pretty well. I think that group is working well together. I think that they’re developing that chemistry that you want on your offensive line. So, he’s doing well.”

Hudson practiced at center in college and last year as a rookie. Crennel believes because Hudson is intelligent and competitive, he will have no problem adjusting to the position when the season starts.

-King-
06-01-2012, 07:37 PM
I kind of like the "Sit a year then start" thing Pioli has going with the O-line. Can't wait till next year when Allen is put in.

Albert - Allen - Hudson - Asamoah - Winston is a pretty fucking beastly line if Allen pans out. I don't have any doubt that Hudson will.

Okie_Apparition
06-01-2012, 07:41 PM
How many licks on the center to get to Mark Castle
Poe: one-two-three Three

Messier
06-01-2012, 08:09 PM
I think it goes somewhat unnoticed, but quietly, Pioli has revamped to O-line.

Dave Lane
06-01-2012, 08:27 PM
I think it goes somewhat unnoticed, but quietly, Pioli has revamped to O-line.

But we need a 1st round Tackle!!!!

Hoover
06-01-2012, 08:31 PM
HUDSON IS A GUARD

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LOL

Easy 6
06-01-2012, 08:52 PM
There are definitely some unanswered depth questions... but this starting 5 has the promise to be atleast the third best i can remember watching.

Great mix of talented youth & established but still young vets who may not have hit their peaks yet.

pr_capone
06-01-2012, 08:54 PM
What a stupid pun to title the article with. Warpaint Illustrated quality writing there.

unlurking
06-01-2012, 08:56 PM
I think it goes somewhat unnoticed, but quietly, Pioli has revamped to O-line.
Excellent point.

KC Tattoo
06-01-2012, 09:19 PM
He should of been starter from week 8 on last year and no contest.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-02-2012, 08:41 AM
Makes a mean Hawaiin Hurricane Punch

milkman
06-02-2012, 09:06 AM
But we need a 1st round Tackle!!!!

We have a first round tackle.

Chiefnj2
06-02-2012, 09:09 AM
Everyone looks good without full contact. Except maybe Cassel.

Okie_Apparition
06-02-2012, 11:01 AM
Someone's wife must have left them for a midget porn star

Rausch
06-02-2012, 11:03 AM
HUDSON IS A GUARD

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LOL

FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!

whoman69
06-02-2012, 03:44 PM
I think it goes somewhat unnoticed, but quietly, Pioli has revamped to O-line.

Took way too long. Richardson should not have seen the field last year. When Pioli came in, this was the weak point of the team. Four years in he's finally got the starters settled. Just hope we don't have any injuries.

BossChief
06-02-2012, 09:36 PM
I think it goes somewhat unnoticed, but quietly, Pioli has revamped every position group on the teamFyp

Sorter
06-02-2012, 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by Messier
I think it goes somewhat unnoticed, but quietly, Pioli has revamped every position group on the team but QBFyp

FYP

BossChief
06-02-2012, 09:43 PM
My views on Stanzi lead me to disagree with that comment.

milkman
06-02-2012, 09:45 PM
My views on Stanzi lead me to disagree with that comment.

Stanzify, brother.

Stanzify.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 09:49 PM
My views on Stanzi lead me to disagree with that comment.

Fair enough. I think Stanzi is Tom 2.0 but no matter.

O.city
06-02-2012, 09:49 PM
Our starting lineups were severely depleted. Like, worst team in the league bad. After 4 years we are pretty much set at the starters. With potentially a really good to great starter at nearly every position.


It took a little longer than I thought, but Pioli has put a pretty good roster together.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 09:53 PM
Our starting lineups were severely depleted. Like, worst team in the league bad. After 4 years we are pretty much set at the starters. With potentially a really good to great starter at nearly every position.


It took a little longer than I thought, but Pioli has put a pretty good roster together.

What is really ice is, is that we are starting to get depth at positions now. Fuck, we have depth at corner, OG, WR, RB, OT, DE, Pass Rush DE, and now NT.

Yes, I know we suck at QB. Yes, Cassel is a hindrance. However, Pioli has turned this into the the NE team of 2001 minus Tom. If Ricky can play like that, we're fucking set.

BossChief
06-02-2012, 09:55 PM
Qb Stanzi
Rb Hillis, Gray, DMC
WR Baldwin, Breaston, Wylie and DMC
OL Asamoah, Hudson, Lilja, Allen
TE Moeaki, Boss
DE Jackson, Bailey
NT Poe, Powe, Gordon
LB Belcher, Houston (along with improving DJ and Hali with the coaches he brought in)
S Berry, Lewis, Menzie
K Succop

That's a damn impressive overhaul of every position group

BigChiefFan
06-02-2012, 09:57 PM
Qb Stanzi
Rb Hillis, Gray, DMC
WR Baldwin, Breaston, Wylie and DMC
OL Asamoah, Hudson, Lilja, Allen
TE Moeaki, Boss
DE Jackson, Bailey
NT Poe, Powe, Gordon
LB Belcher, Houston (along with improving DJ and Hali with the coaches he brought in)
S Berry, Lewis, Menzie
K Succop



That's a damn impressive overhaul of every position group

For only four off-seasons, yes it is. Only six players remain from the previous regimes.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 09:58 PM
I really wish we had deeper OLBs, but with Poe getting a pass rush in our nickel and Bailey having a big year,I think we're good for now. Hope we draft an OLB in our first 3 picks next year, we need someone to groom.

BossChief
06-02-2012, 10:01 PM
I really wish we had deeper OLBs, but with Poe getting a pass rush in our nickel and Bailey having a big year,I think we're good for now. Hope we draft an OLB in our first 3 picks next year, we need someone to groom.

Sheffield and Studebaker are decent depth for now.

O.city
06-02-2012, 10:01 PM
You aren't going to ever have great depth everywhere. You just have to keep drafting guys that fit and guys that are great football players.


We are actually at the point now where you can start making some bigger free agent splashes to fill holes. I'm not a huge fan of that, but if you are smart about it eg, Winston, it can turn out really well.

milkman
06-02-2012, 10:02 PM
Sheffield and Studebaker are decent depth for now.

Studebaker is virtually useless.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:03 PM
Sheffield and Studebaker are decent depth for now.

Decent and I think Cameron would be much better without his neck injury. Studebaker is fine, good in coverage. I just wish we had an OLB that we could plug in on passing downs if Tamba/Houston were hurt/gassed out.

BigChiefFan
06-02-2012, 10:03 PM
I really wish we had deeper OLBs, but with Poe getting a pass rush in our nickel and Bailey having a big year,I think we're good for now. Hope we draft an OLB in our first 3 picks next year, we need someone to groom.

I agree, but considering the amount of time, he's addressed alot of the areas. Houston looks legit and Sheffield was a depth move, but injury hampered his progress.

I'd like to see QB, if there is one worthy in the first when we pick and OLBer to spell Hali and be prepared to transition as starter once Hali loses a step.

Those are our two biggest needs, IMO and I believe we address it early next year.

milkman
06-02-2012, 10:04 PM
You aren't going to ever have great depth everywhere. You just have to keep drafting guys that fit and guys that are great football players.


We are actually at the point now where you can start making some bigger free agent splashes to fill holes. I'm not a huge fan of that, but if you are smart about it eg, Winston, it can turn out really well.

I'm a firm believer that the the big free agent splashes that pan out are along the O-Line.

There are rare exceptions, like Drew Brees, but generally big free agency fails.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:04 PM
Studebaker is virtually useless.

He is not horrible in coverage. Provides nearly no pass rush, but less than mediocre against the run/setting the edge. Is okay in dropping off into zone. Really, not a horrible depth guy, but not ideal either.

O.city
06-02-2012, 10:06 PM
Studebaker is a fine STs player and can play in a pinch if he had too.


I'm fine with him being a back of the roster type player. He's a shit load better than what we have had previously in that position.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:07 PM
You aren't going to ever have great depth everywhere. You just have to keep drafting guys that fit and guys that are great football players.


We are actually at the point now where you can start making some bigger free agent splashes to fill holes. I'm not a huge fan of that, but if you are smart about it eg, Winston, it can turn out really well.

Well, no you're never going to have great depth everywhere. However, for a 2-gap 3-4 team, I personally would emphasis on getting quality pass rushers at 3-4 OLBs and sub 3-4 DEs that can play both the 5 e 3 tech. Additionally, I would look at corners(or safeties in Crennel's case) as my second line of necessary defensive depth.

BigChiefFan
06-02-2012, 10:07 PM
I'm a firm believer that the the big free agent splashes that pan out are along the O-Line.

There are rare exceptions, like Drew Brees, but generally big free agency fails.Deion Sanders worked out splendidly for the Cowboys.

O.city
06-02-2012, 10:08 PM
Milkman, I'm fine with that, along the FA lines.


Only time I really like to dip my toe, is if someone hits it after their rookie deal. After that it gets a little shotty.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:08 PM
Studebaker is a fine STs player and can play in a pinch if he had too.


I'm fine with him being a back of the roster type player. He's a shit load better than what we have had previously in that position.

^This. He's not the best depth wise, but we could be way fucking worse. I mean, some were hoping we'd take Casey Matthews ...

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Deion Sanders worked out splendidly for the Cowboys.

You cherry picked a stat. How did the best wide receiver of all time work out for the Raiders?

milkman
06-02-2012, 10:09 PM
He is not horrible in coverage. Provides nearly no pass rush, but less than mediocre against the run/setting the edge. Is okay in dropping off into zone. Really, not a horrible depth guy, but not ideal either.

People over value Studebaker in coverage because of a couple of plays in which he just happened to be in the perfect place to make plays on poorly thrown balls, balls that would have been completed without contest from Studebaker when the QB was hit on delivery.

If he had actually been where he was supposed to be in coverage on those plays, the ball hits the ground harmlessly.

O.city
06-02-2012, 10:10 PM
Well, no you're never going to have great depth everywhere. However, for a 2-gap 3-4 team, I personally would emphasis on getting quality pass rushers at 3-4 OLBs and sub 3-4 DEs that can play both the 5 e 3 tech. Additionally, I would look at corners(or safeties in Crennel's case) as my second line of necessary defensive depth.

I agree with the DE's. Depending on what Poe can do, we may not really need much more of that.


The thing with OLB's is, in passing situations you aren't taking Houston or Hali off the field. W

We need pass rushers up the middle.

milkman
06-02-2012, 10:10 PM
Deion Sanders worked out splendidly for the Cowboys.

Oh.

Cause I said there are no exceptions, right?

BigChiefFan
06-02-2012, 10:11 PM
You cherry picked a stat. How did the best wide receiver of all time work out for the Raiders?

Of course I did. I'm just talking football and pointing out a quality FA that woked out besides an O-Lineman, which was the post I quoted. Relax.

I'd venture to say plenty of FAs work out. Many don't live up to their contracts, but plenty do.

BryanBusby
06-02-2012, 10:12 PM
Studebaker is fine as a Larry Izzo type of player and would be even better if he took a shit on the sidelines and got a gameball for it.

BigChiefFan
06-02-2012, 10:12 PM
Oh.

Cause I said there are no exceptions, right?

:rolleyes:

No, just keeping it real. The point was there are plenty of FAs that do work out.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:13 PM
People over value Studebaker in coverage because of a couple of plays in which he just happened to be in the perfect place to make plays on poorly thrown balls, balls that would have been completed without contest from Studebaker when the QB was hit on delivery.

If he had actually been where he was supposed to be in coverage on those plays, the ball hits the ground harmlessly.

I'm not saying he's adequate or average. I'm saying, we could do a lot worse. There simply aren't a ton of OLBs that can cover and rush the passer. Studebaker can't rush the passer, and is meh in coverage. However, he's not fucking Sabby out there. We'll most likely upgrade that spot next year via the draft. I hope so anyways.

O.city
06-02-2012, 10:13 PM
One place I'd really like to have some depth, which we might already have depending on Menzie, is at Safety.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:16 PM
Of course I did. I'm just talking football and pointing out a quality FA that woked out besides an O-Lineman, which was the post I quoted. Relax.

I'd venture to say plenty of FAs work out. Many don't live up to their contracts, but plenty do.

Cara, I'm relaxed. I know and agree that several FA work out. I think VJ in Tampa is going to be great, along with Meachem (tennessee WO are underrated IMO). I agree with Milkman though, typically the high-money FA don't work out. Either to lack of work ethic, system difficulties, or bad fucking luck(injuries). It wouldn't suprise me at all to see Mario Williams get hurt and only register 7 sacks for the Bills this year.

milkman
06-02-2012, 10:16 PM
:rolleyes:

No, just keeping it real. The point was there are plenty of FAs that do work out.

Out of the hundreds of big name free agent signings since Reggie White to the Packers, there are only about 5 or 6 that have played a significant role in helping a team win a SB.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:18 PM
One place I'd really like to have some depth, which we might already have depending on Menzie, is at Safety.

I might be in the minority, but I love the Menzie pick. Kid can play man, zone, press, blitz, everything you could want in a 3rd safety. Absolutely awesome. People tend to undervalue 3rd safeties and nickel backs, which is fucking idiocy to me. This is a passing league, in which you need 3 starters at corner or safety. If you don't have that, you're fucked IMO.

O.city
06-02-2012, 10:21 PM
ILB is another scary spot, but if we lose our all pro ILB or OLB or S our defense is gonna be worse anyway.

BossChief
06-02-2012, 10:23 PM
I think Williams is another exception...I can definitely see him blow up in Buffalo.

That DL is stacked and opposing teams won't be able to double him as often as they did in Houston.

milkman
06-02-2012, 10:23 PM
ILB is another scary spot, but if we lose our all pro ILB or OLB or S our defense is gonna be worse anyway.

I think Bobby Greenwood is going to be far better than people expect.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:25 PM
I think Williams is another exception...I can definitely see him blow up in Buffalo.

That DL is stacked and opposing teams won't be able to double him as often as they did in Houston.

Definitely agree. 2 sides to an equation, if you will. He has injury issues, but is provided with enough talent around him to make a more than substantial impact (12+ sacks). I think that he is a boom or bust pick up for buffalo. Just depends on how you fee about Mario's health and overall talent level.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:28 PM
ILB is another scary spot, but if we lose our all pro ILB or OLB or S our defense is gonna be worse anyway.

Yup. This was my only reasoning for Kuechly and also my reasoning for Mercilus at OLB. We need legit depth at those positions we can develop into All-pros. Not just starters. If DJ or Tamba goes down, we're probably going to be more fucked than last year, simply because Berry won't be 100% next year in all likely hood.

BigChiefFan
06-02-2012, 10:28 PM
Out of the hundreds of big name free agent signings since Reggie White to the Packers, there are only about 5 or 6 that have played a significant role in helping a team win a SB.Yeah, I tend to agree the big-name FAs are high-risk, high-reward, but some players are so good, if your team is close and an excellent player becomes available, it's worth the risk, in some cases.

Only two teams make it to the SB every year so that doesn't surprise me, but some of the bigger names do help IMPROVE their respected FA teams, which in alot of cases give those teams a better chance of getting to the big dance.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 10:28 PM
I think Bobby Greenwood is going to be far better than people expect.

I hope so. You're the only person I've seen campaigning him, but i will defer to you on Greenwood. Have literally watched no film of him at all.

milkman
06-02-2012, 10:42 PM
I think Williams is another exception...I can definitely see him blow up in Buffalo.

That DL is stacked and opposing teams won't be able to double him as often as they did in Houston.

I firmly believe that a team like Buffalo is wasting money signing a guy like Williams.

They will almost certainly be better with him if he is healthy, but they have little to no chance of even making the playoffs in the AFC.

By the time they can field a team that has a real chance to compete, he will be on the downside of his career.

Yeah, I tend to agree the big-name FAs are high-risk, high-reward, but some players are so good, if your team is close and an excellent player becomes available, it's worth the risk, in some cases.

Only two teams make it to the SB every year so that doesn't surprise me, but some of the bigger names do help IMPROVE their respected FA teams, which in alot of cases give those teams a better chance of getting to the big dance.

I have advocated for years building a competitive team through the draft.

We are a QB away from that team, and at that point I would have no problem with a big name free agent.

I think the real problem is that most teams don't really address their team building with that approach.

They have tried to shortcut the building process through free agency, and that approach has always failed.

Sorter
06-02-2012, 11:12 PM
Milkman, any more info/links on greenwood?

Messier
06-02-2012, 11:23 PM
Took way too long. Richardson should not have seen the field last year. When Pioli came in, this was the weak point of the team. Four years in he's finally got the starters settled. Just hope we don't have any injuries.

I think we can handle an injury or two now.

RunKC
06-03-2012, 01:00 AM
I think DE will be a position we'll fill next year too when we don't re-sign Dorsey and promote Bailey. Maybe in the 3rd or 4th round though.

As far as safety, I think Menzie is good depth and we moved Daniels back there which is good because he's a sold veteran.

OLB makes me nervous. We lose DJ, it's gonna hurt. But if Tamba gets hurt this year, we are fucked.

SNR
06-03-2012, 01:09 AM
I think DE will be a position we'll fill next year too when we don't re-sign Dorsey and promote Bailey. Maybe in the 3rd or 4th round though.

As far as safety, I think Menzie is good depth and we moved Daniels back there which is good because he's a sold veteran.

OLB makes me nervous. We lose DJ, it's gonna hurt. But if Tamba gets hurt this year, we are fucked.Daniels is only playing safety during OTAs. He'll be a CB when we have... oh, I don't know... our top three safeties healthy?

Daru
06-03-2012, 03:56 AM
Nice!!!

milkman
06-03-2012, 06:42 AM
Milkman, any more info/links on greenwood?

I don't have anything on Greenwood, other than what I saw in the preseason last year.

I thought he showed some ability and progressed from game to game.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-03-2012, 07:46 AM
Qb Stanzi
Rb Hillis, Gray, DMC
WR Baldwin, Breaston, Wylie and DMC
OL Asamoah, Hudson, Lilja, Allen
TE Moeaki, Boss
DE Jackson, Bailey
NT Poe, Powe, Gordon
LB Belcher, Houston (along with improving DJ and Hali with the coaches he brought in)
S Berry, Lewis, Menzie
K Succop

That's a damn impressive overhaul of every position group

But, but, but Herm's drafting built the team. Pioli didn't bring in anyone worth a damn other than Berry./dumbasses

Mr. Laz
06-03-2012, 08:56 AM
Took way too long.
:facepalm:

WhiteWhale
06-03-2012, 09:00 AM
What a stupid pun to title the article with. Warpaint Illustrated quality writing there.

This is Bill Williamson.

If you've never noticed he's a horrible writer, then I don't know what to tell you.

bricks
06-03-2012, 09:04 AM
Intelligent and competitive? Interesting. That should give some reason to believe in the guy. I was impressed with him last year with the limited time he played at guard. Quietly, he played well.

He could be one of those quiet bloomers.

JASONSAUTO
06-03-2012, 09:12 AM
You cherry picked a stat. How did the best wide receiver of all time work out for the Raiders?

Jerry rice got then to a super bowl iirc.
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JASONSAUTO
06-03-2012, 09:13 AM
You cherry picked a stat. How did the best wide receiver of all time work out for the Raiders?

Or were you talking about randy moss? They traded for him. Iirc.
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Messier
06-03-2012, 09:22 AM
I think Bobby Greenwood is going to be far better than people expect.

I'm excited to finally see Siler.

Chocolate Hog
06-04-2012, 08:11 AM
Qb Stanzi
Rb Hillis, Gray, DMC
WR Baldwin, Breaston, Wylie and DMC
OL Asamoah, Hudson, Lilja, Allen
TE Moeaki, Boss
DE Jackson, Bailey
NT Poe, Powe, Gordon
LB Belcher, Houston (along with improving DJ and Hali with the coaches he brought in)
S Berry, Lewis, Menzie
K Succop

That's a damn impressive overhaul of every position group

Wow you named guys who haven't even played a down.

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Hydrae
06-04-2012, 12:11 PM
You cherry picked a stat. How did the best wide receiver of all time work out for the Raiders?

We'll see, Moss hasn't even caught a regular season catch for them yet.





;)

durtyrute
06-04-2012, 01:15 PM
I thought it was Cory Greenwood. Wasn't Bobby G. on offense?

SNR
06-04-2012, 01:31 PM
I thought it was Cory Greenwood. Wasn't Bobby G. on offense?

This is correct