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petegz28
06-04-2012, 05:50 PM
What numbers would you call acceptable for Cassel this year?

They were talking about this on 610 this afternoon and here is the numbers they threw out...

3300 yds passing
23 TD's
11 Int's

While slightly above average #'s they are not impressive though Cassel has achieved them.

We know he is not going to be elite but what numbers would consider acceptable for him?

BoneKrusher
06-04-2012, 05:51 PM
Number 3 behind Stanzi and Quinn would work for me.

Count Zarth
06-04-2012, 05:52 PM
27/7

Setsuna
06-04-2012, 05:53 PM
21-60 823 yds 4 TD/6 INT over 4 games. Then Stanzi comes in and rapes it.

Flachief58
06-04-2012, 05:54 PM
Number 3 behind Stanzi and Quinn would work for me.

This

BigMeatballDave
06-04-2012, 05:54 PM
Win a playoff game.

Nothing less.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-04-2012, 05:55 PM
It's not about numbers. Beat quality teams and make plays in the clutch.

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 05:56 PM
What numbers would you call acceptable for Cassel this year?

They were talking about this on 610 this afternoon and here is the numbers they threw out...

3300 yds passing
23 TD's
11 Int's

While slightly above average #'s they are not impressive though Cassel has achieved them.

We know he is not going to be elite but what numbers would consider acceptable for him?

Id like to see him have closer to 30 td's even if it means 18 picks

but those are totally acceptable....

BossChief
06-04-2012, 05:56 PM
I think he plays poorly and is pulled halftime of game 6 before the bye.

bevischief
06-04-2012, 05:56 PM
0.

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 05:57 PM
Also the only stat that truly does matter is like dipshit Dave said:

win 1 playoff game at least

aturnis
06-04-2012, 06:01 PM
Any number from 1-19, with the exception of #12.

jjchieffan
06-04-2012, 06:02 PM
0/1 -15 yards. Sacked and injured first play of the season. Stanza comes in and lights it up. Casshole never gets his starting job back. Anything else is not acceptable

IratePrimate
06-04-2012, 06:06 PM
I hope he finally pulls it together............ although that is very unlikely. Either plays lights out, or he gets his light out and is off our roster. :clap:

I've tried rooting for Cassel but he is just terrible at making progressions and reads. Id say he has the heart but not the physical talent or qb smarts.

keg in kc
06-04-2012, 06:12 PM
If they're a balanced team that leans toward the run, those numbers are perfectly adequate. Although I'd like to see total yardage 200-450 yards higher than that.

I don't have much faith he'll actually post those numbers, though, even with the nigh-on insane amount of talent they have arrayed around him now.

AustinChief
06-04-2012, 06:12 PM
I could care less about yards. So... 24 TDs and 10 INTS would be fine with me.

Thig Lyfe
06-04-2012, 06:13 PM
6000 yards
70 touchdowns
-3 INTs

Easy 6
06-04-2012, 06:17 PM
Beat a top team in the playoffs.

petegz28
06-04-2012, 06:18 PM
Id like to see him have closer to 30 td's even if it means 18 picks

but those are totally acceptable....

You figure with those #'s you are going to need 25 rushing TD's give or take plus a FG a game to score 24 points a game. I think 24 pts a game for this team is a good target. But I think 23 TD's is going to be on the light side

keg in kc
06-04-2012, 06:22 PM
I could care less about yards. So... 24 TDs and 10 INTS would be fine with me.I usually fall on the side of the points in any point/yardage discussion, but here I would say that yards are important in that they indicate how well the passing game is holding its own in relation to the running game. We're in some trouble if he's averaging under 200 yards a game (as I expect he will be). And probably not scoring very much.

Along another line, I don't actually think any individual TD numbers matter nearly as much as the total team scoring. Charles' 2010 season wasn't bad in any way because Cassel got all the red zone play calls. So if Hillis and Charles are scoring a ton of points and Cassel only ends up with 19 TD or something, not a big deal. As long as the team is scoring...

The thing that terrifies me is the potential that they're going to have all these offensive weapons yet be run-first and try to win games 17-13.

cosmo20002
06-04-2012, 06:25 PM
1 torn rotator cuff

Bewbies
06-04-2012, 06:29 PM
I hope he never fumbles......the clipboard.

BossChief
06-04-2012, 06:32 PM
I usually fall on the side of the points in any point/yardage discussion, but here I would say that yards are important in that they indicate how well the passing game is holding its own in relation to the running game. We're in some trouble if he's averaging under 200 yards a game (as I expect he will be). And probably not scoring very much.

Along another line, I don't actually think any individual TD numbers matter nearly as much as the total team scoring. Charles' 2010 season wasn't bad in any way because Cassel got all the red zone play calls. So if Hillis and Charles are scoring a ton of points and Cassel only ends up with 19 TD or something, not a big deal. As long as the team is scoring...

The thing that terrifies me is the potential that they're going to have all these offensive weapons yet be run-first and try to win games 17-13.
That's what I see, too.

We drafted two OL with premium picks and a running back.

We signed a complimentary running back

We signed a blocking tight end (he has receiving skills, but earns his keep as a blocker)

We signed the best zone RT in football.

We will most likely either lead the league or be top 5 in rushing attempts.

With the receiving options Cassel has to work with on this team and that running game keeping defenses honest, Matt needs to have a great year...not just a good one.

Guru
06-04-2012, 06:41 PM
The worst stats imaginable would be my choice. Preferably in only 2 games.

cdcox
06-04-2012, 06:45 PM
I could care less about yards. So... 24 TDs and 10 INTS would be fine with me.

Add in a SB win. Anything less and I hope he gets bitten by an antifreeze dog.

Mr_Tomahawk
06-04-2012, 07:24 PM
>4,000 yards and I will buy his jersey...

ChiefsCountry
06-04-2012, 08:20 PM
Hopefully he has no stats and never sees the field in a Chiefs uniform again.

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 08:25 PM
I think 24 pts a game for this team is a good target. But I think 23 TD's is going to be on the light side

I agree....unless hillis and charles do a combined imitation of holmes or something them i am REALLY hoping and thinking that this year is the year lenny d's record falls.

Lenny D's record falls in 2012. I will sack up and call it now.

Phobia
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
I don't care about his individual stats. I only care about team W's.

BossChief
06-04-2012, 08:40 PM
I agree....unless hillis and charles do a combined imitation of holmes or something them i am REALLY hoping and thinking that this year is the year lenny d's record falls.

Lenny D's record falls in 2012. I will sack up and call it now.

I'd love to see that, too.

You know what else I'd like to see?

Two commas on the bottom line of my bank statement.

I doubt either happens anytime soon.

Hoover
06-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Enough wins to secure the division, first round bye, and at least one playoff win.

Basically Alex Smith like numbers.

pr_capone
06-04-2012, 08:43 PM
0/1 -15 yards. Sacked and injured first play of the season. Stanza comes in and lights it up. Casshole never gets his starting job back. Anything else is not acceptable

I agree with the idea put forth in this post.

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 08:49 PM
Enough wins to secure the division, first round bye, and at least one playoff win.

Basically Alex Smith like numbers.

2011 Smith numbers......which to me was a fluke...I would not be shocked if he blows it in 2012....

I have as much doubt in him as the drafturbators have in Cassel.

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 08:51 PM
I agree with the idea put forth in this post.

Cool, at least you left your mark in history to be known as a traitorous idiot , rooting for his own team to fail.

ghetto tag : roots against own team

Molitoth
06-04-2012, 08:51 PM
He must pass the eye test of not being a checkdown pussy with no pocket awareness.

Numbers don't matter, unless you are counting playoff wins.

el borracho
06-04-2012, 08:56 PM
I'm years past the point of hope with Cassel. Even if he has a stellar year this year, I'm not buying into him as the future. Whatever happens this season, I want a 1st round QB next April.

Chiefaholic
06-04-2012, 09:02 PM
XLVII

Pull this off and I'll purchase an authentic Cassel jersey.

Bugeater
06-04-2012, 09:04 PM
I would find 19-0 to be acceptable.

DeezNutz
06-04-2012, 09:07 PM
Whatever he puts up for another team.

Cornstock
06-04-2012, 09:37 PM
If someone could be injured by willing it, I'm pretty sure Cassel would be done in training camp purely from the will of this site. I don't think an injury any later than that would be beneficial to us though because Stanzi would need some quality time with the first team. However, if Cassel gets injured look for Pioli to go out and pick up a vet to start in front of Stanzi and Quinn. Theres just no endgame where an injury works out that I can see, because I really don't think Pioli will let either of those two guys play. ****

Bambi
06-04-2012, 09:38 PM
Why do you guys keep making threads about Cassel? He's going to be pretty bad like he always is and always throw short passes but not very well.

Cannibal
06-04-2012, 10:14 PM
Numbers never tell the entire story. Just don't lose games and maybe pull a few drives out when needed.

He's such a fag though.

Sorter
06-04-2012, 10:32 PM
27/7
LMAO

Sorter
06-04-2012, 10:39 PM
If I'm going to be serious and really hope for a good season from Stanzi, I would hope for a 61-63% completion, over 2.800 yds, and a 7.0+ ypa. Hopefully a td/int of 18-12 to 24-14. Tom was able to win a SB with similar numbers (unrealistic, I know) but Dalton was able to have similar #s as well and had a good season in a tough division.

tredadda
06-04-2012, 10:43 PM
This is a QB driven league and he has enough weapons to make almost any QB cream himself. Anything less than 10 wins, 4,000 yards and 30+ TDs and less than half of that in INTs with at least a playoff win is unacceptable for this turd cutter. He has been here starting too long to put up average to mediocre numbers. Not with everything Pioli has brought in for him.

BossChief
06-04-2012, 10:44 PM
Seriously, what do they do if we are 2-4 at the bye?

Starting Cassel after that would/should be a death sentence.

tredadda
06-04-2012, 10:47 PM
Seriously, what do they do if we are 2-4 at the bye?

Starting Cassel after that would/should be a death sentence.

Unless he gets injured, I think it would take a miracle (and 2-4 is not that miracle) for him to lose his job this year.

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 10:56 PM
Unless he gets injured, I think it would take a miracle (and 2-4 is not that miracle) for him to lose his job this year.

I dunno...If we were 2-4, and Cassel was averaging like 150 ypg...with more int than td and a shitty ypa....It could happen.

tredadda
06-04-2012, 10:58 PM
I dunno...If we were 2-4, and Cassel was averaging like 150 ypg...with more int than td and a shitty ypa....It could happen.

Those were similar numbers that he put up last year and it took an injury for him to not start. Maybe Romeo will be different, we will see.

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 10:59 PM
This is a QB driven league and he has enough weapons to make almost any QB cream himself. Anything less than 10 wins, 4,000 yards and 30+ TDs and less than half of that in INTs

You do realize that no Chiefs QB in history has done that?

Pawnmower
06-04-2012, 11:01 PM
Those were similar numbers that he put up last year and it took an injury for him to not start. Maybe Romeo will be different, we will see.

dude, we had more torn ACLs than TDS the 1st few weeks of last season....barring that kind of freaky injury situation, I think he will be on a pretty short leash...i dunno tho, just a guess.

tredadda
06-04-2012, 11:05 PM
You do realize that no Chiefs QB in history has done that?

Green almost did in 2004 with far fewer weapons than Cassel has at his disposal, but yes no Chiefs QB has done that before, but the rules over the past few years have changed enough that numbers like this are far easier to attain. Look at Marino's single season yards record. Some thought it would never be surpassed and just last year 2 or 3 QBs did just that. There is no reason why Cassel can't put up the numbers I previously mentioned, especially with the arsenal he has at his disposal.

tredadda
06-04-2012, 11:08 PM
dude, we had more torn ACLs than TDS the 1st few weeks of last season....barring that kind of freaky injury situation, I think he will be on a pretty short leash...i dunno tho, just a guess.

We did, but he still only had 10 TDs all season and 4 were against the hapless Indianapolis Colts. I hope he is on a short leash. I have no faith in Quinn and we need to start Stanzi so we can see what we have in him before the draft so we can then address our QB situation once and for all if Stanzi is not the answer. This should project to be a deep QB class as it stands right now.

yhf
06-04-2012, 11:09 PM
86 or 187. /CP

jjchieffan
06-04-2012, 11:52 PM
Cool, at least you left your mark in history to be known as a traitorous idiot , rooting for his own team to fail.

ghetto tag : roots against own team

You need some reading comprehension skills. I was NOT rooting for my team to fail. I said Stanzi comes in and lights iit up and takes the starting job. That is rooting for my team to lose the QB that's holding them back and win with Stanzi

BryanBusby
06-04-2012, 11:54 PM
Seriously, what do they do if we are 2-4 at the bye?

Starting Cassel after that would/should be a death sentence.

Right. The excuse wagon will be rolling.

Pawnmower
06-05-2012, 12:27 AM
You need some reading comprehension skills. I was NOT rooting for my team to fail. I said Stanzi comes in and lights iit up and takes the starting job. That is rooting for my team to lose the QB that's holding them back and win with Stanzi

It is you who needs football comprehension skills. If cassel fails so badly he gets tanked mid season the chiefs are done. Stanzi wont be able to 'light it up' under those circumstances. Rooting for a cassel fail in 2012 is rooting for the team to fail in 2012. Only tucking idiots don't grasp that.

Sorter
06-05-2012, 12:46 AM
It is you who needs football comprehension skills. If cassel fails so badly he gets tanked mid season the chiefs are done. Stanzi wont be able to 'light it up' under those circumstances. Rooting for a cassel fail in 2012 is rooting for the team to fail in 2012. Only tucking idiots don't grasp that.

Yeah, TJ Yates did horrible last year...

jjchieffan
06-05-2012, 12:54 AM
It is you who needs football comprehension skills. If cassel fails so badly he gets tanked mid season the chiefs are done. Stanzi wont be able to 'light it up' under those circumstances. Rooting for a cassel fail in 2012 is rooting for the team to fail in 2012. Only tucking idiots don't grasp that.

You keep putting words in my mouth. Where did I say mid season? I said the first play of the season. he goes down and Stanzi comes in. I want to see Stanzi come in and play all 16 games, I want our team to be successful. Cassel has had his chance. I'm not rooting for a Cassel fail. I'm rooting for an opportunity for Stanzi to start the entire year. Yeah Stanzi could fail, and the team with him, but at least then we know what we have in him. But let's make this clear for your low reading comprehension. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE CHIEFS FAIL!!! I WANT TO SEE STANZI WIN!!! Do you understand now dumbass??

dmahurin
06-05-2012, 01:19 AM
The only way I'll be satisfied with any numbers Cassel puts up is if he wins the Super Bowl. I'm so unsatisfied watching him play I'd rather them go 1-15 with Stanzi than watch Cassel suit up and take this team nowhere.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-05-2012, 01:38 AM
0-0 0 yds 0 td 0 int

Guru
06-05-2012, 06:33 AM
dude, we had more torn ACLs than TDS the 1st few weeks of last season....barring that kind of freaky injury situation, I think he will be on a pretty short leash...i dunno tho, just a guess.

There is no leash

Micjones
06-05-2012, 06:36 AM
With the talent he has around him this season, he'll need to post numbers slightly better than those he put up in 2010.

I'll say:
3,500 yards - 30 TD's - 15 INT's

Interceptions will be right around average for him.

threebag02
06-05-2012, 08:02 AM
Playing time 00:00:00

ChiTown
06-05-2012, 08:07 AM
Playing time 00:00:00

/threadover

beach tribe
06-05-2012, 08:19 AM
>27tds
<15ints
>3500 or GFTO

beach tribe
06-05-2012, 08:21 AM
With the talent he has around him this season, he'll need to post numbers slightly better than those he put up in 2010.

I'll say:
3,500 yards - 30 TD's - 15 INT's

Interceptions will be right around average for him.

This is exactly what I was going to post but dropped my TD expectations because of our backfield.

BigRichard
06-05-2012, 09:05 AM
3-0... in the playoffs.

Mile High Mania
06-05-2012, 09:09 AM
So, based on the numbers in the original post and looking at the last few seasons... it's acceptable for Cassel to finish in the top 18 overall of NFL QBs. :clap:

Mile High Mania
06-05-2012, 09:10 AM
I don't care about his individual stats. I only care about team W's.

Tebow fan? :p

WV
06-05-2012, 09:13 AM
http://www.halecentretheatre.org/images/inventory/prisoner-number-422-zoom.jpg

Micjones
06-05-2012, 10:02 AM
This is exactly what I was going to post but dropped my TD expectations because of our backfield.

We had the #1 run game in the NFL in 2010.
He threw 27 then. No reason why he couldn't toss three more this year.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-05-2012, 11:25 AM
The cost of a plane ticket placing him the merry, happy fuck off of my team is an acceptable set of numbers.

jspchief
06-05-2012, 11:36 AM
1 fatal accident.

beach tribe
06-05-2012, 11:40 AM
We had the #1 run game in the NFL in 2010.
He threw 27 then. No reason why he couldn't toss three more this year.

Our short yardage and goaline running game was shit. Which led to that pretty potent slant pass from Cassel to Bowe.
That changes with Peyload Hillis.
But to be fair I did go with >27tds.

RunKC
06-05-2012, 11:57 AM
I don't care if Cassel had 15 TD's and 15 INT's as long as he wins in January. That's the only thing that matters now.

CupidStunt
06-05-2012, 01:01 PM
7.5 YPA+ or fail.

whoman69
06-05-2012, 01:22 PM
If Matt Cassel and Scott Pioli want to claim that Matt is a real NFL QB, he must hit over 60% of his passes with a YPA of over 7.0 and cut down greatly on the sacks and have a TD/INT ratio of two touchdowns for every pick with at least 20 TD. He must show that he can play well against the better teams, and be able to carry the game when the run game is being stymied. Those are not Pro Bowl numbers. Matt Cassel is not a Pro Bowl QB despite his *. He must lead this team to at least one playoff win.