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healthpellets
06-04-2012, 08:40 PM
I think the first line of the article is my favorite...

He's really making a dent in that $70B state budget. Asshat.

http://ivn.us/2012/06/04/florida-governor-rick-scott-puts-states-innocence-commission-to-death/

Florida holds the dubious honor of wrongfully convicting the largest number of innocent people put on death row. Since 1973, the Sunshine State wrongfully incarcerated and released twenty-three people set for a state sanctioned killing. And nationwide, 140 people in twenty-six states have been exonerated of the crimes for which they were convicted and sent to death row. If this tells independent voters anything, it’s that the criminal justice system is in desperate need of reform, with capital punishment leading the way.

It would seem that miscarriages of justice of such a magnitude would lead Florida policy makers and political leaders to take measures to ensure that number declines. Despite this grisly scenario, Florida Republican Governor Rick Scott recently eliminated the funding necessary to keep the Florida Innocence Commission alive. Created by the Florida Supreme Court, the commission is tasked with advocating for reforms after examining wrongful convictions by “studying false eyewitness identifications, interrogation techniques, false confessions, the use of informants, the handling of forensic evidence, attorney competence and conduct, the processing of cases and the administration of the death penalty.”

But with one stroke of the pen, Scott nixed the Commission by vetoing the funds the legislature appropriated for it – which last year stood at $200,000, a drop in the bucket for a state with a 2013 budget of about $70 billion. This isn’t the first time Scott meddled with attempts at reforming Florida’s criminal justice system. Earlier this year he vetoed a nearly unanimous piece of legislation (combined House and Senate vote 152-4 in favor) that would move non-violent drug offenders out of prison and into treatment programs after completing half of their sentence.

While Florida moves in reverse on remedying these problems, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, New Mexico, and Illinois all eliminated the death penalty in the last five years, with Californians deciding this fall. This is no doubt a response to the alarming trend of those wrongfully convicted and sent to death row, only to be later exonerated. Moreover, the recent high profile cases of Corey Maye, who was released from death row after ten years, and Cameron Todd Willingham, a likely innocent man executed in 2004 in Texas, shed further light on the manifest need to eliminate capital punishment and alter the way we think about criminal justice.

As 18th century legal philosopher Cesare Beccaria put it in his renowned treatise, On Crimes and Punishments:

“The punishment of death is pernicious to society, from the example of barbarity it affords. If the passions, or necessity of war, have taught men to shed the blood of their fellow creatures, the laws which are intended to moderate the ferocity of mankind, should not increase it by examples of barbarity, the more horrible, as this punishment is usually attended with formal pageantry. Is it not absurd, that the laws, which detect and punish homicide, should, in order to prevent murder, publicly commit murder themselves?”

If there is one thing that people of all political persuasions and philosophies can agree on it should be this: the greatest and most serious deprivation of liberty that the government can engage in is killing its own citizens. If the government attempts to use this deprivation, it should be judged only by the strictest scrutiny and standards. There is no recourse for the wrongfully executed. If the death penalty is going to be used to carry out state sanctioned killings, shouldn’t we at least know whether the individual in question is actually guilty of the crime they are accused of committing?

Although Gov. Scott says the goal of his budget is to “reduce the size of government,” which I’m all for (even more so than Scott), maybe someone should tell him that the criminal justice system is part of the government. Trials, prosecutors, appeals, prisons, and prison guards all cost the taxpayers of Florida money, while more wrongful convictions mean more prisoners – leading to more prisons and corrections personnel, thereby increasing the size of government. In the final analysis, the scope of government cannot get any more intrusive than a seemingly uncritical belief in a process that gives the state the solemn power to extinguish the lives of its citizens – especially when accompanied by the elimination of a key mechanism for redress the wrongfully convicted once possessed against such an awesome power.

BucEyedPea
06-05-2012, 10:08 AM
Do you live here? Nope.

Mind your own business.

vailpass
06-05-2012, 10:56 AM
Good to see a budget-minded governor.

Setsuna
06-05-2012, 02:45 PM
Do you live here? Nope.

Mind your own business.

OWNED!

Stewie
06-05-2012, 03:13 PM
Why did this even exist? $200,000? What were their resources? $100K salary and a hamster in a cage?

The Innocence Project trumps this worthless waste of taxpayer money by a mile.

Iowanian
06-05-2012, 03:29 PM
They're looking at exponential savings by letting George Zimmerman out of jail and giving him a free pass to stop crime before it gets to death row.

Brock
06-05-2012, 04:31 PM
Florida more than makes up for this by releasing child molesters after a fraction of their sentence.

Chiefnj2
06-05-2012, 04:44 PM
Why did this even exist? $200,000? What were their resources? $100K salary and a hamster in a cage?

The Innocence Project trumps this worthless waste of taxpayer money by a mile.

What if attorney's worked the project pro bono? $200,000.00 could cover the cost of about 300 DNA tests.

BucEyedPea
06-05-2012, 05:44 PM
Good to see a budget-minded governor.

Yup! He's done a good job in that department.

healthpellets
06-05-2012, 06:32 PM
Good to see a budget-minded governor.

Ya! F*ck innocent people! Ya! F*ck em all! Hang high all the accused sons of bitches! In the public square! F*ck ya! Where's my godd*amn rope? Let's go Leroy!

:banghead:

You realize that literally tomorrow you could be snatched off the street and charged with a crime that carries a life sentence? Ok then. Carry on. I know you do, but you don't care. Cause it's not you. And hasn't impacted anyone you know. So who gives a f*ck, right?

BucEyedPea
06-05-2012, 07:12 PM
Ya! F*ck innocent people! Ya! F*ck em all! Hang high all the accused sons of bitches! In the public square! F*ck ya! Where's my godd*amn rope? Let's go Leroy!

:banghead:

You realize that literally tomorrow you could be snatched off the street and charged with a crime that carries a life sentence? Ok then. Carry on. I know you do, but you don't care. Cause it's not you. And hasn't impacted anyone you know. So who gives a f*ck, right?

If you really care about this, then come on down to live here and do something about it.

healthpellets
06-05-2012, 07:51 PM
If you really care about this, then come on down to live here and do something about it.

Really? I have to move down to FL to care about making sure only guilty people get put to death by the state?

seriously? do you really believe you live in reality? seriously.

HonestChieffan
06-05-2012, 08:45 PM
Ya! F*ck innocent people! Ya! F*ck em all! Hang high all the accused sons of bitches! In the public square! F*ck ya! Where's my godd*amn rope? Let's go Leroy!

:banghead:

You realize that literally tomorrow you could be snatched off the street and charged with a crime that carries a life sentence? Ok then. Carry on. I know you do, but you don't care. Cause it's not you. And hasn't impacted anyone you know. So who gives a f*ck, right?


Just wow. And some bogus commission stands between innocent Floridians and a rope? Get real.

banyon
06-06-2012, 05:05 PM
Do you live here? Nope.

Mind your own business.

As if you have never commented on what goes on in the other 49 states you don't live in.

Please.

vailpass
06-06-2012, 05:13 PM
Ya! F*ck innocent people! Ya! F*ck em all! Hang high all the accused sons of bitches! In the public square! F*ck ya! Where's my godd*amn rope? Let's go Leroy!

:banghead:

You realize that literally tomorrow you could be snatched off the street and charged with a crime that carries a life sentence? Ok then. Carry on. I know you do, but you don't care. Cause it's not you. And hasn't impacted anyone you know. So who gives a f*ck, right?

My family would gado what was necessary to gather the funds necessary to prove my innocence. Everyone has this right.

Remember, it is better to hang 10 innocent people than to let 1 guilty man free.

healthpellets
06-06-2012, 06:12 PM
My family would gado what was necessary to gather the funds necessary to prove my innocence. Everyone has this right.


Sure. Everyone has access to the funds to mount a proper and vigorous defense. :shake:


Remember, it is better to hang 10 innocent people than to let 1 guilty man free.

i'm sure you realize you've got that backwards, but you're trying to be cute. :banghead:

BucEyedPea
06-06-2012, 06:24 PM
Really? I have to move down to FL to care about making sure only guilty people get put to death by the state?

seriously? do you really believe you live in reality? seriously.

Since you don't live here, you do not live in reality because you can't affect things here.

banyon
06-06-2012, 06:30 PM
Since you don't live here, you do not live in reality because you can't affect things here.

Sure he can. Look at Scott Walker's election. Most of his political donations came from outside of Wisconsin. So did most of his advisors.

Dallas Chief
06-06-2012, 06:37 PM
Sure he can. Look at Scott Walker's election. Most of his political donations came from outside of Wisconsin. So did most of his advisors.

You can't look at it because you don't live there so STFU! LMAOLMAOLMAO

BucEyedPea
06-06-2012, 06:51 PM
You can't look at it because you don't live there so STFU! LMAOLMAOLMAO

Actually, I clarified that he could say whatever he wanted in the Wisconsin thread...but why I felt Wisconsin was different. That was an election concerning a Republican governor being recalled which had lots of national attention due to the public union issue and as such was a bellweather for the country. So it has an effect on us as a trend and is part of the left/right battle on public unions. Same I would expect interest and major concern such as the 2000 election recount in Florida from anyone or the current allegations of purging voters. WI had lots of outside the state money involved nationalizing the matter there (which frankly I find disturbing too).

Other than that, whatever he does say is subject to any Floridian expressing their own opinion over his such as mine regarding meddling, because I consider the issue he chose to be a minor nit-picky concern that won't affect him. We foot the bill here, not healthpellets. Progressives are such busy-bodies. My opinion.

banyon
06-06-2012, 07:18 PM
Actually, I clarified that he could say whatever he wanted in the Wisconsin thread...but why I felt Wisconsin was different. That was an election concerning a Republican governor being recalled which had lots of national attention due to the public union issue and as such was a bellweather for the country. So it has an effect on us as a trend and is part of the left/right battle on public unions. Same I would expect interest and major concern such as the 2000 election recount in Florida from anyone. WI had lots of outside the state money involved nationalizing the matter there (which frankly I find disturbing too).

Other than that, whatever he does say is subject to any Floridian expressing their own opinion over his such as mine regarding meddling, because I consider the issue he chose to be a minor nit-picky concern that won't affect him. Progressives as such busy-bodies. My opinion.

uh-huh... :hmmm: Anything besides Wisconsin?

BEP meddling in Louisiana (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8662301&postcount=101)


BEP meddling in New York City's affairs (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=260103)


BEP meddles in North carolina voter referendum (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=259343)


BEP meddling in Indiana Senate race (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=259340)

That's just from May. I couldn't go back further without searching the archives, but I'm sure it would go on for quite a while.


Face it, this is just another arbitrary principle you made up for yourself in the middle of the thread so you could avoid having to be questioned about any of your ridiculous positions.

Cannibal
06-06-2012, 09:55 PM
uh-huh... :hmmm: Anything besides Wisconsin?

BEP meddling in Louisiana (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8662301&postcount=101)


BEP meddling in New York City's affairs (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=260103)


BEP meddles in North carolina voter referendum (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=259343)


BEP meddling in Indiana Senate race (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=259340)

That's just from May. I couldn't go back further without searching the archives, but I'm sure it would go on for quite a while.


Face it, this is just another arbitrary principle you made up for yourself in the middle of the thread so you could avoid having to be questioned about any of your ridiculous positions.

Damn! Killing blow right here.

healthpellets
06-07-2012, 07:07 AM
Since you don't live here, you do not live in reality because you can't affect things here.

srsly? ROFL

BucEyedPea
06-07-2012, 08:24 AM
srsly? ROFL

Yes. It was how you framed it—as in Scott being a cheapskate for not keeping this commission which I have to pay for. It was not your point about the guilty versus the innocent so much. I said you could have an opinion about it....but I have to pay for this.

BucEyedPea
06-07-2012, 09:02 AM
Damn! Killing blow right here.

Don't you think you should read what I actually posted in those threads, to see if I was actually meddling in those states —as opposed to comments about members of my own party I want replaced which happens to be a valid concern of mine as well as how it affects the make-up of our national congress. OR that in the NC thread there's a failure to note, that I come right out and say this is that state's right? Hmmm?

North Carolina
I consistently make the case that gay marriage is a state issue—not a national issue. Right up to posting what part of the Constitution supports this and what Federalist Paper backs it up even more. So there is NO meddling in that thread by me. Others in the thread have decided to discuss gay marriage in general instead.

Post #147
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8607626&postcount=147

Post #127
My post this thread doesn’t address what NC did but comments on a post
about education and intelligence and business and not being the same thing to someone else.


Indiana
Furthermore, on Lugar losing in Indiana, since state legislatures are no longer allowed to choose their senators so the state's interests are protected this has brought outside influence into those elections. I favor a repeal of this and have posted that as well many times.

Post # 84

Comments on a poster’s comments about if there are any good people in DC. ( My national govt)

Post 86, 87 about Hatch being challenged by a TP and how Lugar wasn’t voting as a Republican— My Party in both cases here.
Also, Post 104


Louisiana
In the Louisiana thread, I do not comment on the state but on Republicans wanting a mix of both worlds since they support this stuff. Even Mitt wants to implement such a policy nationwide. Again, my party's policy being discussed which could be a bellweather for the nation with more Republican governors. How it will wreck private education around the country is a valid concern since private education is one last bastion of protection against govt curriculums and a modicum of intellectual freedom.

New York
On New York, I don't say anything about New York either, but I comment on the types of bad foods that are allowed in general. I haven't a clue if NY has banned those but the FDA bans interstate raw milk for instance. Just making fun of govt in general.

Raw milk — illegal
Twinkies — legal

However, this is the type of thing, I think one can comment on as a general policy, while still supporting it as a local right—it's not like someone is demanding New Yorkers should pay for.

State Rights in General
Last of all— I am even on record as saying a state can implement socialist policy as their right while being anti-socialist. I don't agree with it, particularly if the national govt has to bail them out. So if such leads to that I will comment on it in that regard. Now, since states act can act as a pilot for such policies or even a bellweather, if it fails then learning from those failures is fair commentary. In other words, can have an effect on me at some point. It's no different than pointing out the failures of the Soviet Union, sluggish economies of Europe compared to ours, the Pilgrim Plantation in their first year under Standish. Socialists are busy bodies that won't quit in one location.

So I think, you and a few others, missed my clarification on this in another thread. Some issues affect us beyond that state. But calling out my governor, who has done a good job balancing our budget, for being a cheap-ass and implying Floridians should pay for something that may be a waste to them, is where I draw the line. It's too narrow, imo.

CAPICHE?

mikey23545
06-07-2012, 09:23 AM
Don't you think you should read what I actually posted in those threads, to see if I was actually meddling in those states —as opposed to comments about members of my own party I want replaced which happens to be a valid concern of mine as well as how it affects the make-up of our national congress. OR that in the NC thread there's a failure to note, that I come right out and say this is that state's right? Hmmm?

North Carolina
I consistently make the case that gay marriage is a state issue—not a national issue. Right up to posting what part of the Constitution supports this and what Federalist Paper backs it up even more. So there is NO meddling in that thread by me. Others in the thread have decided to discuss gay marriage in general instead.

Post #147
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8607626&postcount=147

Post #127
My post this thread doesn’t address what NC did but comments on a post
about education and intelligence and business and not being the same thing to someone else.


Indiana
Furthermore, on Lugar losing in Indiana, since state legislatures are no longer allowed to choose their senators so the state's interests are protected this has brought outside influence into those elections. I favor a repeal of this and have posted that as well many times.

Post # 84

Comments on a poster’s comments about if there are any good people in DC. ( My national govt)

Post 86, 87 about Hatch being challenged by a TP and how Lugar wasn’t voting as a Republican— My Party in both cases here.
Also, Post 104


Louisiana
In the Louisiana thread, I do not comment on the state but on Republicans wanting a mix of both worlds since they support this stuff. Even Mitt wants to implement such a policy nationwide. Again, my party's policy being discussed which could be a bellweather for the nation with more Republican governors. How it will wreck private education around the country is a valid concern since private education is one last bastion of protection against govt curriculums and a modicum of intellectual freedom.

New York
On New York, I don't say anything about New York either, but I comment on the types of bad foods that are allowed in general. I haven't a clue if NY has banned those but the FDA bans interstate raw milk for instance. Just making fun of govt in general.



However, this is the type of thing, I think one can comment on as a general policy, while still supporting it as a local right—it's not like someone is demanding New Yorkers should pay for.

State Rights in General
Last of all— I am even on record as saying a state can implement socialist policy as their right while being anti-socialist. I don't agree with it, particularly if the national govt has to bail them out. So if such leads to that I will comment on it in that regard. Now, since states act can act as a pilot for such policies or even a bellweather, if it fails then learning from those failures is fair commentary. In other words, can have an effect on me at some point. It's no different than pointing out the failures of the Soviet Union, sluggish economies of Europe compared to ours, the Pilgrim Plantation in their first year under Standish. Socialists are busy bodies that won't quit in one location.

So I think, you and a few others, missed my clarification on this in another thread. Some issues affect us beyond that state. But calling out my governor, who has done a good job balancing our budget, for being a cheap-ass and implying Floridians should pay for something that may be a waste to them, is where I draw the line. It's too narrow, imo.

CAPICHE?

Damn, killing blow right there!

vailpass
06-07-2012, 10:08 AM
Sure. Everyone has access to the funds to mount a proper and vigorous defense. :shake:



i'm sure you realize you've got that backwards, but you're trying to be cute. :banghead:

We can't save everybody, that's not how this thing of ours is set up.You don't want to get the short end of the stick? Position yourself to be able to fend it off should it swing your way.

suzzer99
06-07-2012, 10:16 AM
Gyc0CPpyddA

Run a company which committed the largest Medicare fraud in the history of ever, get elected governor of Florida. EZ game.

What a joke. Poster child for the utterly ethically and intellectually bankrupt republican party right now.