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Mile High Mania
06-05-2012, 11:39 AM
Ok, so there's still a lot that needs to settle in with a number of the teams in the AFCW, but that doesn't stop the fan from making predictions.

Now, every team will be hit with an injury of some sort and it's impossible to predict which player. So, let's just assume for the sake of this discussion that none of the AFCW teams has a key player missing significant time.

Base your judgement on the additions each team has made so far, the schedule and how you think they will finish.

Which team is best positioned to win the AFCW title in 2012?

And, feel free to state whatever opinions you like...

mr. tegu
06-05-2012, 11:43 AM
This is ChiefsPlanet right? This better only go one way...

MagicHef
06-05-2012, 11:46 AM
The Broncos will win the AFCW, because all the other teams are dumb.

Mile High Mania
06-05-2012, 11:46 AM
Weird... guess I didn't click something right, I can't view who voted for which options. Sorry about that...

mr. tegu
06-05-2012, 11:51 AM
Weird... guess I didn't click something right, I can't view who voted for which options. Sorry about that...

Were you the first to vote? If so you chose the Chiefs!

KCrockaholic
06-05-2012, 11:53 AM
SD finishes 2nd.

Munson
06-05-2012, 11:56 AM
Chiefs, despite Cassel's worst efforts.

Mile High Mania
06-05-2012, 12:06 PM
Were you the first to vote? If so you chose the Chiefs!

No, I was not the first to vote. :LOL:

Dr. Facebook Fever
06-05-2012, 12:11 PM
KC will be markedly improved and in the hunt and Cassel will put a stop to all that shit just in time.

I'd say Broncos because Manning will be great just to piss us off, Rivers/Chargers will under achieve as always and the Raiders will fuck themselves just enough to stay the Raiders.

Dr. Facebook Fever
06-05-2012, 12:12 PM
Weird... guess I didn't click something right, I can't view who voted for which options. Sorry about that...

You have to click "make it a public poll."

Broncos fans... sheesh.

BoneKrusher
06-05-2012, 12:14 PM
Broncos
or Chargers if Manning's neck dont hold up.

Bump
06-05-2012, 12:18 PM
Peyton Manning

Predarat
06-05-2012, 12:19 PM
I think the Chiefs will win but due to the newly implimented 8-8 or above rule they will still miss the playoffs. Do they still get to hang a banner/fly a flag if that happens?

HemiEd
06-05-2012, 12:24 PM
This is ChiefsPlanet right? This better only go one way...

n00b! :LOL:

BCD
06-05-2012, 12:33 PM
We had our fill of injuries last season.

The Gods owe us.

Huge.

Mile High Mania
06-05-2012, 12:35 PM
We had our fill of injuries last season.

The Gods owe us.

Huge.

Peyton Manning is likely saying the same thing...

keg in kc
06-05-2012, 12:37 PM
Assuming no repeat of last year's injuries, I think the Chiefs have the best team but the worst QB. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. They should win the division despite Cassel, but he could also be anchor enough to drag them down.

PGM
06-05-2012, 12:52 PM
Peyton Manning is likely saying the same thing...

He's old. KC's injuries happened to guys just entering thier prime.

HemiEd
06-05-2012, 12:53 PM
Peyton Manning is likely saying the same thing...

Like he wasn't already pushing the injury envelope before last season?

He was due, and has had a great career even if he goes down again right away.


Bye

Von Dumbass
06-05-2012, 12:58 PM
He's old. KC's injuries happened to guys just entering thier prime.

There was a study done on ACL injuries that showed that production dropped 33% to RB's and WR's who tore an ACL.

Hog Farmer
06-05-2012, 12:58 PM
The Broncos will win the AFCW, because all the other teams don't have Peyton Manning.

Fixed ur post!

Von Dumbass
06-05-2012, 01:01 PM
Performance of wide receivers, running backs post-ACL injury falls by one third

The good news for NFL players who sustain an injury to their anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is that they'll likely play again in the NFL. The bad news is, they'll return with diminished performance on the field, concludes a study in the December issue of The American Journal of Sports Medicine.

"Although there have been over 2000 articles on the ACL in the past 20 years, only a few have focused on the pro player," writes author James L. Carey, MD (Dr. Carey is now affiliated with Vanderbilt Sports Medicine, Nashville, Tenn.) and colleagues from the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia, Pa.

"Our study is the first to objectively measure an NFL player's performance before and after an ACL injury." Brian J. Sennett MD, co-author and Chief of Sports Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, believes "this article will have significant impact on setting appropriate expectations for the injured players, their agents, team owners, and fans. It is the first article to establish that injuries may have a significant negative impact on a player's performance if they are able to return to action."

The researchers collected data on ACL injuries sustained by NFL running backs (RBs) and wide receivers (WRs) during a five-year period (1998-2002). This data came from NFL game summaries, play-by-play documents, weekly injury reports, and player profiles. The injury group was compared to a control group consisting of all NFL RBs and WRs without an identified ACL injury who played during the 2000 season.

Carey, Sennett and colleagues devised a unique measurement of game performance output in the professional athlete. They assigned a "power rating" for every player in every season, defined as a weighted sum of total yards and touchdowns, likely the most important statistics of RB and WR performance. The power ratings for the 3 seasons prior to ACL injury were compared to the power ratings for the 3 seasons following ACL injury.

Data were analyzed for 31 players with 33 ACL injuries. Of the injured players, 21 percent (7 of 33 ACL injuries) never returned to play in another regular season NFL game. Of the 79 percent that did return, most players returned to action 9 to 12 months after an ACL injury.

For those players who returned to NFL action following an ACL injury, performance fell by one-third, the researchers found. Power rating per game played decreased from 9.9 pre-injury to 6.5 post-injury. This decline in player production was statistically significant when compared to the 146 players in the control group.

Knee pain, stiffness, loss of strength, deconditioning and reduced proprioception (the sense of knowing where your leg is) may be factors explaining the loss of production in players after an ACL injury, the authors theorize. Further, ACL reconstruction does not perfectly recreate the complex anatomy and composition of a person's ACL before injury.

Interestingly, prior to their injury the ACL-injured players performed better than did controls. "High-performance RBs and WRs are more likely to be injured because they compete in more plays per game, carry the ball longer on each play, and attract more defensive attention," the authors say. "The same qualities of RBs and WRs that contribute to high performance -- instantaneous decelerations as well as explosive pivoting and cutting maneuvers -- may increase the risk for ACL injury."

The researchers cite a recent survey of all 31 NFL team physicians who were asked to quantify "what percentage of players return to play in the NFL after ACL reconstruction." Ninety percent of team physicians responded "90 to 100 percent" of players (assuming not borderline talent) return to the NFL. The current study found the number of players who return to play after an ACL injury was actually less, at 79 percent.

"Most studies report good to excellent results in the majority of ACL reconstructions regardless of technique or patient age, but the professional football player presents unique demands on the reconstructed knee," Carey concludes. "Our findings may be useful for athletes, coaches, and team owners in anticipating the future contributions of a player who has injured an ACL."

http://psychcentral.com/news/archives/2006-11/vumc-pow113006.html

PGM
06-05-2012, 01:03 PM
There was a study done on ACL injuries that showed that production dropped 33% to RB's and WR's who tore an ACL.

What about old fogey's that break thier neck?

Von Dumbass
06-05-2012, 01:04 PM
What about old fogey's that break thier neck?

Not a large enough sample size. There have been fullbacks, LB's, and safeties who have had the same fusion and they have came back.

TEX
06-05-2012, 01:08 PM
I'm going with the Broncos simply because they have Manning. I think KC has the better team, but not by what it will take to compensate for the QB disadvantage.

Broncos
Chiefs
Chargers
Raiders

PGM
06-05-2012, 01:09 PM
If I thought he'd be the same, I'd go Denver. Too flawed a team though and I don't think he will.


Faid will finish in the basement.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-05-2012, 01:10 PM
Chiefs, despite Cassel's worst efforts.

This.

And when the play offs come knocking, we'll all get our ELEVENTY BILLIONTH lesson in why having a real QB matters at that point.

Lather...

Rinse...

Repeat.

SNR
06-05-2012, 01:11 PM
Actually, don't sleep on the Chargers this year. It doesn't take much more than 10-6 to win this bitch, and the Chargers have the most experience with beating good teams out of all four teams.

Then again, they also have the most experience losing to bad teams...

ChiefsCountry
06-05-2012, 01:13 PM
Chiefs with Brady Quinn leading the way.

SNR
06-05-2012, 01:14 PM
There was a study done on ACL injuries that showed that production dropped 33% to RB's and WR's who tore an ACL.
What year was that study done? 1972?

Also, how many of those RBs tore the ACL at the beginning of the season instead of the middle or end? That makes a huge difference, as we're seeing this offseason in Jamaal's recovery versus someone like AP's.

Von Dumbass
06-05-2012, 01:20 PM
What year was that study done? 1972?

Also, how many of those RBs tore the ACL at the beginning of the season instead of the middle or end? That makes a huge difference, as we're seeing this offseason in Jamaal's recovery versus someone like AP's.

It was done between 1998-2002. TD probably skews the data quite a bit. Would have been interesting to see how Jamal Lewis' 2003 numbers would affect the study, because he rushed for 2000 yards two years after tearing his ACL. Lewis did rush for over 1,300 yards the year after he tore his ACL and that was included in the study.

PGM
06-05-2012, 01:22 PM
It was done between 1998-2002. TD probably skews the data quite a bit. Would have been interesting to see how Jamal Lewis' 2003 numbers would affect the study, because he rushed for 2000 yards two years after tearing his ACL. Lewis did rush for over 1,300 yards the year after he tore his ACL and that was included in the study.

So, basically it's a bunch of outdated garbage then. 10 years ago is an eternity when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Von Dumbass
06-05-2012, 01:27 PM
So, basically it's a bunch of outdated garbage then. 10 years ago is an eternity when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I really don't know what surgeons are doing differently to repair the ACL now. It's not like 1998 was the stone ages or anything.

PGM
06-05-2012, 01:32 PM
I really don't know what surgeons are doing differently to repair the ACL now. It's not like 1998 was the stone ages or anything.

:rolleyes:

http://www.athleticadvisor.com/injuries/le/knee/acl_tears.htm

Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) is the main support structure of the knee that prevents rotation of the Femur (thigh bone) on the Tibia (shin bone). The ACL also prevents the Tibia from translating forward on the Femur. This ligament is injured more than we would like in sports. The news is full of ACL tears in professional and collegiate ranks. Recently, a Miami Dolphins player returned to football less than 3 months after surgical reconstruction of his ACL.

Over the past 10 years the medical profession’s ability to adequately repair a torn ACL has grown tremendously. Rehabilitation after this injury has also advanced significantly. Ten years ago, after surgical repair of the ACL the patient was casted for six weeks while today, the knee is moved even before the patient wakes up from the anesthetic.

The knee is a hinge joint, comprised of three bones and four main ligaments. The joint has one plane of motion, flexion and extension. Due to this construction, a slight amount of rotation does occur, but the ligaments limit this motion. The three bones are the Femur, Tibia and Patella (knee cap). The four ligaments in the knee are the ACL, Posterior Cruciate (PCL), Medial Collateral (MCL), and Lateral Collateral (LCL). These ligaments connect the Tibia and Femur and provide the structural integrity to the knee.

The ACL and PCL were named for their location. The two ligaments are located in the middle of the knee and cross one another (cruciate is Latin for cross). The ACL has its origin on the front, or anterior, aspect of the Tibia, while the PCL originates on the back, or posterior, aspect of the Tibia. The MCL is located on the inside, or medial, aspect of the knee and the LCL is located on the outside, or lateral, aspect of the knee.

As stated earlier, the knee is a hinge joint that allows for flexion and extension only. The muscles above and below the knee joint are the prime movers. That is we can walk, run, jump, and climb due to these muscles. If the knee joint has been injured, we loose the ability to perform these functions properly. In the case of the ACL tear, the knee will feel unstable, and give out. The old phrase “Trick Knee” is most often associated with and ACL-deficient knee. When walking or climbing, the knee will suddenly “give out,” usually to the side, and the individual falls to the ground.

This give out is due to the knee having a rotational instability. When weight is borne on the ACL-deficient knee, the Femur has a tendency to rotate on the Tibia. This causes pain and places the knee in a position that is unnatural. Consequently, the muscles can not control the motion of the knee, and it gives way. This “giving out” is even more apparent when an athlete attempts to cut, start, or stop during competition. When the knee is unstable, cutting, starting or stopping places severe rotational stress on the knee.

If an unstable knee is not repaired, the constant rotation will cause other structures to be damaged. The most common associated injury is a meniscal tear. The meniscus is a “C-shaped” object located between the Tibia and Femur that acts as a shock absorber. When the meniscus is torn, it causes pain, popping, swelling, and giving way. Another associated injury with a chronically unstable knee is degenerative changes to the joint surfaces, or arthritis. The constant rotation of the femur begins to “wear away” the joint surfaces.

Treatment of an ACL injury begins with proper recognition of the injury. There are still a few times when an ACL tear is misdiagnosed. The diagnosis can be made with a combination of a proper history and physical examination. The anterior drawer sign is one indication of a torn ACL. This video shows a normal drawer sign. This video shows an abnormal drawer sign signifying an ACL tear.

Rehabilitation begins immediately after the injury. Initial rehab should include ice, gentle knee motion, quad setting, straight leg raising, and protected weight bearing. The worst thing that can be done is to not move or use the knee. When the ACL ruptures, the knee fills with blood, becomes stiff and painful. Gentle motion will help to milk the blood out of the joint to improve pain and function. When the knee is not moved the blood in the joint becomes clotted and sets up like Jell-O. When this occurs, motion becomes more painful and the removal of the blood takes longer.

It is very important to use the quad muscles. When the knee is injured they will shut down and not work. In order to function in life these muscles must be able to work properly. Performing quad sets (tightening the quad muscles), straight leg raises and hamstring curls will help to limit the amount of muscle atrophy that occurs due to the injury.

Most orthopaedic surgeons will have the patient wait two to four weeks before repairing the ACL after the original injury. This is done to reduce the swelling, return normal quad function and to decrease pain. If the surgery is performed immediately after the injury the body will experience a double insult from the injury and trauma of surgery, this makes the initial recovery very difficult.

The surgical treatment for ACL ruptures can be performed in one of three ways. One method of repair is to use a patellar bone-tendon-bone graft. This technique utilizes the middle one-third of the patellar tendon with an attached piece of bone from the patella and tibia. This bone-tendon-bone graft is then used to replace the damaged ligament. Another surgical method utilizes a graft taken from the hamstring tendons. The hamstring tendon is used to replace the torn ACL in the same manner. The third surgical procedure utilizes a patellar bone-tendon-bone graft from a cadaver donor. This procedure is most often used in people who have returned from a previously reconstructed ACL. In all three of these procedures, drill holes are made in the Tibia and Femur where the ACL originates. The new ligament is passed through the holes and held in place with interference screws.

Rehabilitation after surgery has come a long way in the past ten years. Today, most orthopaedic surgeons begin rehabilitation the day after surgery. Early rehabilitation begins with protected weight bearing, quad setting, straight leg raising, cycling, and guarded knee extensions. The early phase of the recovery is protected to guard against the new ligament pulling loose from the screws that hold it in place. As with any fracture, the bone hole must fill in with new bone before the rehab can become too aggressive. This process takes about six weeks.Rehab continues to progress during the first six weeks as the patient progresses. Exercises to develop balance, strength and coordination are instituted. These include stork stands, body weight linebacker squats, stair climber, and calf raises. Further progression in the rehabilitation will bring more complex activities such as closed chain terminal knee extensions, leg press, one leg squats, and balance activities with unstable footing.

The second six weeks of the controlled rehab revolves around more complex activities. The activities include complex balance, lateral motion, and greater strength. Activities such as slide board, a progressive running program, one-leg leg press, and balance with very unstable footing can be used.

Near three months post-op the controlled rehab ends, and the patient continues rehab on his/her own. It is very important to continue strengthening the leg during this time. Between three and six months the repaired ACL is at its weakest point. During the first three months the tissue has very limited blood supply and is degrading. The body slowly brings the new blood vessels into the area but not fast enough to stop the degradation process. The athlete must be aware of this so that he/she does not re-tear the ACL. Rehab should continue while avoiding cutting and pivoting.

ACL tears are no longer the end of an athlete's career. If the surgical and rehab techniques used today were available to Gayle Sayers, Joe Namaith, or even any of other affected athletes 20 years ago, their careers would probably have lasted five or ten years longer. The ACL can be repaired with no loss in function or strength. Many athletes return to play stronger and faster than before the injury

BCD
06-05-2012, 02:08 PM
I really don't know what surgeons are doing differently to repair the ACL now. It's not like 1998 was the stone ages or anything.

That was 14 fucking yrs ago, genius.

You're either horrible misinformed, or just a drooling retard.

I'm going with the latter...

Pawnmower
06-05-2012, 03:14 PM
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

That was 14 ****ing yrs ago, genius.

You're either horrible misinformed, of just a drooling retard.

I'm going with the latter...

omg i cant believe I laughed and agreed with dave

fuck

2012 mayan calendar?

oldman
06-05-2012, 03:37 PM
I think it'll be us, the lowly Chiefs. I believe we've made some major upgrades and even Horseface and Funkyneck won't prevail. Now I'm not saying we'll go very far in the playoffs with our current QB, but we'll be good enough to draft in the 20's next year.

PGM
06-06-2012, 09:44 AM
That was 14 fucking yrs ago, genius.

You're either horrible misinformed, of just a drooling retard.

I'm going with the latter...

Heh, my reply caused him to disappear. Wonder why?

Von Dumbass
06-06-2012, 10:01 AM
Heh, my reply caused him to disappear. Wonder why?

Because I'm not reading all that. It says that ACL surgery and rehab has advanced but I didn't see anything that explained why it is better.

BossChief
06-06-2012, 10:05 AM
We will be 2-3 and losing at halftime of the Bucs game.

Stanzi takes over and leads us to win the game to put us at 3-3 at the bye.

We finish the season early due to the world ending with Stanzi undefeated.

ILChief
06-06-2012, 10:08 AM
Who picked Oakland?

listopencil
06-06-2012, 10:17 AM
Over the past 10 years the medical professionís ability to adequately repair a torn ACL has grown tremendously. Rehabilitation after this injury has also advanced significantly. Ten years ago, after surgical repair of the ACL the patient was casted for six weeks while today, the knee is moved even before the patient wakes up from the anesthetic.


Wow. That is amazing to me.

Red Brooklyn
06-06-2012, 10:21 AM
Until Peyton Manning shows me that he's no longer Peyton Manning, I have to believe the Broncos will win. I fucking hate it, but it's true. On Manning alone, I'm voting for Denver.

TEX
06-06-2012, 10:40 AM
Until Peyton Manning shows me that he's no longer Peyton Manning, I have to believe the Broncos will win. I ****ing hate it, but it's true. On Manning alone, I'm voting for Denver.

Yep. The great one's raise the teams level of play - the Cassel's lower it.

KC has the better team top to bottom - but not good enough to overcome the superior advantage the Broncos have at QB. It aint even close - but their records will be - with Denver coming out on top.

1. Denver
2. KC
3. SD
4. Oak

chiefqueen
06-06-2012, 11:46 AM
Until Peyton Manning shows me that he's no longer Peyton Manning, I have to believe the Broncos will win. I ****ing hate it, but it's true. On Manning alone, I'm voting for Denver.

I agree - Peyton finally has a good running game and "D". Denver wins the division 11/25 with a road victory @ KC.

Cornstock
06-06-2012, 12:01 PM
Now, every team will be hit with an injury of some sort and it's impossible to predict which player. So, let's just assume for the sake of this discussion that none of the AFCW teams has a key player missing significant time.


Surely such a catastrophic injury to a key position would prove to be disastrous to the team............unless its to a certain position for KC

BCD
06-06-2012, 01:08 PM
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:



omg i cant believe I laughed and agreed with dave

fuck

2012 mayan calendar?:D

mr. tegu
06-06-2012, 01:55 PM
Because I'm not reading all that. It says that ACL surgery and rehab has advanced but I didn't see anything that explained why it is better.

They probably assume the intricate nature and complicated knowledge necessary to understand and convey in an article that which you are asking for is beyond what is necessary and even comprehendible to the average person. All the average person needs to know is the results and not the "whys."

DeezNutz
06-06-2012, 01:58 PM
Until Peyton Manning shows me that he's no longer Peyton Manning, I have to believe the Broncos will win. I ****ing hate it, but it's true. On Manning alone, I'm voting for Denver.

Tough to argue against this too strongly. While I believe the Chiefs have, definitively, the best "team" in the division, they have, arguably, the worst starting QB--yes, I know the situation in OAK--and this is a tough hurdle to overcome.

keg in kc
06-06-2012, 02:02 PM
Tough to argue against this too strongly. While I believe the Chiefs have, definitively, the best "team" in the division, they have, arguably, the worst starting QB--yes, I know the situation in OAK--and this is a tough hurdle to overcome.Copycat. (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8660238&postcount=17)

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
06-06-2012, 02:20 PM
My nothing but gut first impressions:

K.C.
Denver
San Diego
Oakland

PGM
06-06-2012, 03:04 PM
I agree - Peyton finally has a good running game and "D". Denver wins the division 11/25 with a road victory @ KC.

No he doesn't. The Broncos running game without Tebow is below average as is thier defense. Every good offense raped them last year.

whoman69
06-06-2012, 04:15 PM
Even the biggest Chiefs homer shouldn't really believe that Matt Cassel is going to compete with Peyton Manning. I heard all through the off season that QB is the most important position and that you can't win without a franchise QB. We don't have one. His record against the best QBs is abyssmal.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 04:58 PM
FYI, tomorrow NFL32 is going to discuss the AFC West, player on the rise and make their picks for the 2012 division champ.

-King-
06-06-2012, 05:04 PM
Even the biggest Chiefs homer shouldn't really believe that Matt Cassel is going to compete with Peyton Manning. I heard all through the off season that QB is the most important position and that you can't win without a franchise QB. We don't have one. His record against the best QBs is abyssmal.

The Broncos as a whole aren't that intimidating. The team around Manning is a bottom 5 squad. Von Miller is the only other great player on the team.
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Detoxing
06-06-2012, 05:07 PM
My nothing but gut first impressions:

K.C.
Denver
San Diego
Oakland

Gut says: San Diego, Denver, KC

Brain says: Denver, San Diego, KC

Heart Says: KC, SD, Denver

Detoxing
06-06-2012, 05:11 PM
The Broncos as a whole aren't that intimidating. The team around Manning is a bottom 5 squad. Von Miller is the only other great player on the team.
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Lets be realistic.

Miller Dumber-ville are a good set of pass rushers, and Miller only stands to get better. Champ has been holding his own while people have been writing him off and moving him to safety for the past 5+ years now.

Decker and Thomas are marginal WR's, but Manning will make them into stars. As much as it pains me to say it, if Manning is healthy, the Donks are legit Favorites to win the division.

That D is built to rush the passer (play with a lead) and if Manning can give them a good lead, Miller and Dumber can put up some nice numbers.

RustShack
06-06-2012, 05:13 PM
Probably the same as the Super Bowl Champion. The Kansas City Chiefs!!!

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 05:14 PM
Assuming no repeat of last year's injuries, I think the Chiefs have the best team but the worst QB. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. They should win the division despite Cassel, but he could also be anchor enough to drag them down.

This is pretty much my opinion as well. I think we could have a good enough team to win the division despite Cassel. Pioli, like him or not, has put together a pretty good cast of talent around him. Will it be enough to win the division? We'll find out soon enough. We almost won it last year despite all the injuries, etc. Can't wait, though. I'm so stoked for the season.

Detoxing
06-06-2012, 05:14 PM
The team now one is talking about is SD. Every one seems to have written them off, but they've had a pretty good offseason.

All reports are that Gates is finally 100% healthy. A healthy Gates will make that offense tick again, and they added some nice pieces in the draft.

If Gates stays healthy and if he truley is the Gates of old, i think SD wins the division.

Detoxing
06-06-2012, 05:16 PM
This is pretty much my opinion as well. I think we could have a good enough team to win the division despite Cassel. Pioli, like him or not, has put together a pretty good cast of talent around him. Will it be enough to win the division? We'll find out soon enough. We almost won it last year despite all the injuries, etc. Can't wait, though. I'm so stoked for the season.

We won't win the division despite Cassel.

The Chiefs aren't built to play from behind (THANKS MATT), and if either Denver or SD gets a lead (which both teams are built to put up points fast) then the Chiefs are in trouble.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 05:19 PM
The team now one is talking about is SD. Every one seems to have written them off, but they've had a pretty good offseason.

All reports are that Gates is finally 100% healthy. A healthy Gates will make that offense tick again, and they added some nice pieces in the draft.

If Gates stays healthy and if he truley is the Gates of old, i think SD wins the division.

I've been thinking that silently every year before the start of the season. I say, "this year will be the year SD finally wakes up". Every year they underachieve though. I hope they keep doing so. Their window is nowhere near to closing though as long as they have Rivers and he plays well.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 05:26 PM
We won't win the division despite Cassel.

The Chiefs aren't built to play from behind (THANKS MATT), and if either Denver or SD gets a lead (which both teams are built to put up points fast) then the Chiefs are in trouble.

It's a good thing our defense is stout. Well, it was last year anyway. Every year is different. Hopefully we can match or play better this year. SR is just as good as Carr sans the penalties. I'm hoping his 17 penalties were just the filth of the silver and black wearing off on him.

vailpass
06-06-2012, 05:29 PM
This will be a fun thread to bump at the end of the season.

Detoxing
06-06-2012, 05:35 PM
It's a good thing our defense is stout. Well, it was last year anyway. Every year is different. Hopefully we can match or play better this year. SR is just as good as Carr sans the penalties. I'm hoping his 17 penalties were just the filth of the silver and black wearing off on him.

Sometimes i have to question how stout our D REALLY is.

They're very up and down. I know, i know, "But Detoxing, it's because the offense didn't help any"

While that may be, they let the Jets run all over them. Detroit ate them alive. SD, in SD has murdered them for the last several years. They let the Dolphins throw up 31 points on them. 34 By NE, and didn't they spot Indy a 21 point lead? What they surrendered to Buff isn't even worth mentioning.

Bad offense or not, i'd like to see them be more consistent before i get too comfortable with thinking they're going to control some of these offenses like we think they will.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 05:37 PM
This will be a fun thread to bump at the end of the season.

I'm hoping Manning is on the couch like we are at that time. :)

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 05:42 PM
Sometimes i have to question how stout our D REALLY is.

They're very up and down. I know, i know, "But Detoxing, it's because the offense didn't help any"

While that may be, they let the Jets run all over them. Detroit ate them alive. SD, in SD has murdered them for the last several years. They let the Dolphins throw up 31 points on them. 34 By NE, and didn't they spot Indy a 21 point lead? What they surrendered to Buff isn't even worth mentioning.

Bad offense or not, i'd like to see them be more consistent before i get too comfortable with thinking they're going to control some of these offenses like we think they will.
Good points. I'd like to think some of those poor outings were because they got winded trying to save face with the crappy offense. They held NE as long as they could before it was just too much. Same with Detroit for a little bit of time. I think some is because bad offense and some is inconsistency. Hopefully Crennel gets that worked out.

I'm sorry for mentioning this because I know it's beaten like a drum here, but a lot of our weaknesses would be masked if we just had a franchise QB. Just sayin'. :)

vailpass
06-06-2012, 05:42 PM
I'm hoping Manning is on the couch like we are at that time. :)

LMAO Don't blame you. And it could happen.

CupidStunt
06-06-2012, 05:46 PM
Rivers 10-6
Manning 9-7
Chiefs 7-9
Raiders 7-9

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 05:48 PM
LMAO

I fear that Manning plays like the Manning of old and the offense as a whole clicks for you guys. If so you'll probably win the division running away.

vailpass
06-06-2012, 05:51 PM
I fear that Manning plays like the Manning of old and the offense as a whole clicks for you guys. If so you'll probably win the division running away.

Or he's a frail old man who gets hurt and is done or doesn't get hurt but just doesn't have it anymore.
At this point any of the scenarios we describe are possible.
Is it football season yet?

Chiefs Pantalones
06-06-2012, 05:55 PM
Or he's a frail old man who gets hurt and is done or doesn't get hurt but just doesn't have it anymore.
At this point any of the scenarios we describe are possible.
Is it football season yet?

Oh man I can't wait. It can't get here soon enough.

whoman69
06-06-2012, 06:19 PM
The Broncos as a whole aren't that intimidating. The team around Manning is a bottom 5 squad. Von Miller is the only other great player on the team.
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He obviously had a great cast around him in Indy.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-12-2012, 01:20 PM
Sometimes i have to question how stout our D REALLY is.

They're very up and down. I know, i know, "But Detoxing, it's because the offense didn't help any"

While that may be, they let the Jets run all over them. Detroit ate them alive. SD, in SD has murdered them for the last several years. They let the Dolphins throw up 31 points on them. 34 By NE, and didn't they spot Indy a 21 point lead? What they surrendered to Buff isn't even worth mentioning.

Bad offense or not, i'd like to see them be more consistent before i get too comfortable with thinking they're going to control some of these offenses like we think they will.

The dynamic that I see repeated with this team is that if the offense fails to capitalize and/or fails to match the defensive effort, the defense burns out and the game is lost.

whoman69
06-12-2012, 01:22 PM
This will be a fun thread to bump at the end of the season.

Or maybe it won't

Thig Lyfe
06-12-2012, 01:22 PM
Peyton Manning

Peyton Manning

Mile High Mania
12-03-2012, 12:16 PM
I agree - Peyton finally has a good running game and "D". Denver wins the division 11/25 with a road victory @ KC.

Sorry for the bump, but saw this ... and you were very close, just one week off your projection.

SNR
12-03-2012, 12:22 PM
Sorry for the bump, but saw this ... and you were very close, just one week off your projection.

Do I not get credit for going against Tombstone, Knowmo, and the other Donk homers who said Peyton was going to hit the ground running because he "works hard" :harumph:

PGM
12-03-2012, 12:24 PM
Dude has to have a freezer stocked full of baby fetuses and stem cells that he devours for an afternoon snack.

MagicHef
12-03-2012, 01:31 PM
The Broncos will win the AFCW, because all the other teams are dumb.

Looks like I was dead on.