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qabbaan
06-07-2012, 10:36 AM
The vetting continues..?


Obama’s Third-Party History
New documents shed new light on his ties to a leftist party in the 1990s.
By Stanley Kurtz

On the evening of January 11, 1996, while Mitt Romney was in the final
years of his run as the head of Bain Capital, Barack Obama formally
joined the New Party, which was deeply hostile to the mainstream of
the Democratic party and even to American capitalism. In 2008,
candidate Obama deceived the American public about his potentially
damaging tie to this third party. The issue remains as fresh as
today’s headlines, as Romney argues that Obama is trying to move the
United States toward European-style social democracy, which was
precisely the New Party’s goal.

In late October 2008, when I wrote here at National Review Online that
Obama had been a member of the New Party, his campaign sharply denied
it, calling my claim a "crackpot smear." Fight the Smears, an official
Obama-campaign website, staunchly maintained that "Barack has been a
member of only one political party, the Democratic Party." I rebutted
this, but the debate was never taken up by the mainstream press.

Recently obtained evidence from the updated records of Illinois ACORN
at the Wisconsin Historical Society now definitively establishes that
Obama was a member of the New Party. He also signed a "contract"
promising to publicly support and associate himself with the New Party
while in office.

Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago
chapter read as follows:

Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative
District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions.
He signed the New Party "Candidate Contract" and requested an
endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.

Consistent with this, a roster of the Chicago chapter of the New Party
from early 1997 lists Obama as a member, with January 11, 1996,
indicated as the date he joined.

Knowing that Obama disguised his New Party membership helps make sense
of his questionable handling of the 2008 controversy over his ties to
ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). During
his third debate with John McCain, Obama said that the "only"
involvement he’d had with ACORN was to represent the group in a
lawsuit seeking to compel Illinois to implement the National Voter
Registration Act, or motor-voter law. The records of Illinois ACORN
and its associated union clearly contradict that assertion.

Why did Obama deny his ties to ACORN? The group was notorious in 2008
for thug tactics, fraudulent voter registrations, and its role in
popularizing risky subprime lending. Admitting that he had helped to
fund ACORN’s voter-registration efforts and train some of their
organizers would doubtless have been an embarrassment but not likely a
crippling blow to his campaign. So why not simply confess the tie and
make light of it? The problem for Obama was ACORN’s political arm, the
New Party.

The revelation in 2008 that Obama had joined an ACORN-controlled,
leftist third party could have been damaging indeed, and coming clean
about his broader work with ACORN might easily have exposed these New
Party ties. Because the work of ACORN and the New Party often
intersected with Obama’s other alliances, honesty about his ties to
either could have laid bare the entire network of his leftist
political partnerships.

Although Obama is ultimately responsible for deceiving the American
people in 2008 about his political background, he got help from his
old associates. Each of the two former political allies who helped him
to deny his New Party membership during campaign ’08 was in a position
to know better.

The Fight the Smears website quoted Carol Harwell, who managed Obama’s
1996 campaign for the Illinois senate: "Barack did not solicit or seek
the New Party endorsement for state senator in 1995." Drawing on her
testimony, Fight the Smears conceded that the New Party did support
Obama in 1996 but denied that Obama had ever joined, adding that "he
was the only candidate on the ballot in his race and never solicited
the endorsement."

We’ve seen that this is false. Obama formally requested New Party
endorsement, signed the candidate contract, and joined the party. Is
it conceivable that Obama’s own campaign manager could have been
unaware of this? The notion is implausible. And the documents make
Harwell’s assertion more remarkable still.

The New Party had a front group called Progressive Chicago, whose job
was to identify candidates that the New Party and its sympathizers
might support. Nearly four years before Obama was endorsed by the New
Party, both he and Harwell joined Progressive Chicago and began
signing public letters that regularly reported on the group’s
meetings. By prominently taking part in Progressive Chicago
activities, Obama was effectively soliciting New Party support for his
future political career (as was Harwell, on Obama’s behalf). So
Harwell’s testimony is doubly false.

When the New Party controversy broke out, just about the only
mainstream journalist to cover it was Politico’s Ben Smith, whose
evident purpose was to dismiss it out of hand. He contacted Obama’s
official spokesman Ben LaBolt, who claimed that his candidate "was
never a member" of the New Party. And New Party co-founder and leader
Joel Rogers told Smith, "We didn’t really have members." But a line in
the New Party’s official newsletter explicitly identified Obama as a
party member. Rogers dismissed that as mere reference to "the fact
that the party had endorsed him."
This is nonsense. I exposed the falsity of Rogers’s absurd claim, and
Smith’s credulity in accepting it, in 2008 (here and here). And in
Radical-in-Chief I took on Rogers’s continuing attempts to justify it.
The recently uncovered New Party records reveal how dramatically far
from the truth Rogers’s statement has been all along.

In a memo dated January 29, 1996, Rogers, writing as head of the New
Party Interim Executive Council, addressed "standing concerns
regarding existing chapter development and activity, the need for
visibility as well as new members." So less than three weeks after
Obama joined the New Party, Rogers was fretting about the need for new
members. How, then, could Rogers assert in 2008 that his party "didn’t
really have members"? Internal documents show that the entire
leadership of the New Party, both nationally and in Chicago, was
practically obsessed with signing up new members, from its founding
moments until it dissolved in the late 1990s.

In 2008, after I called Rogers out on his ridiculous claim that his
party had no members, he explained to Ben Smith that "we did have
regular supporters whom many called ‘members,’ but it just meant
contributing regularly, not getting voting rights or other formal
power in NP governance." This is also flatly contradicted by the newly
uncovered records.

At just about the time Obama joined the New Party, the Chicago chapter
was embroiled in a bitter internal dispute. A party-membership list is
attached to a memo in which the leaders of one faction consider a
scheme to disqualify potential voting members from a competing
faction, on the grounds that those voters had not renewed their
memberships. The factional leaders worried that their opponents would
legitimately object to this tactic, since a mailing that called for
members to renew hadn’t been properly sent out. At any rate, the memo
clearly demonstrates that, contrary to Rogers’s explanation,
membership in the New Party entailed the right to vote on matters of
party governance. In fact, Obama’s own New Party endorsement, being
controversial, was thrown open to a members’ vote on the day he joined
the party.

Were Harwell and Rogers deliberately lying in order to protect Obama
and deceive the public? Readers can decide for themselves. Yet it is
clear that Obama, through his official spokesman, Ben LaBolt, and the
Fight the Smears website, was bent on deceiving the American public
about a matter whose truth he well knew.

The documents reveal that the New Party’s central aim was to move the
United States steadily closer to European social democracy, a goal
that Mitt Romney has also attributed to Obama. New Party leaders
disdained mainstream Democrats, considering them tools of business,
and promised instead to create a partnership between elected officials
and local community organizations, with the goal of socializing the
American economy to an unprecedented degree.

The party’s official "statement of principles," which candidates
seeking endorsement from the Chicago chapter were asked to support,
called for a "peaceful revolution" and included redistributive
proposals substantially to the left of the Democratic party.

To get a sense of the ideology at play, consider that the meeting at
which Obama joined the party opened with the announcement of a
forthcoming event featuring the prominent socialist activist Frances
Fox Piven. The Chicago New Party sponsored a luncheon with Michael
Moore that same year.

I have more to say on the New Party’s ideology and program, Obama’s
ties to the party, and the relevance of all this to the president’s
campaign for reelection. See the forthcoming issue of National Review.

In the meantime, let us see whether a press that let candidate Obama
off the hook in 2008 - and that in 2012 is obsessed with the
president’s youthful love letters - will now refuse to report that
President Obama once joined a leftist third party, and that he hid
that truth from the American people in order to win the presidency.

-Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy
Center. A longer version of this article appears in the forthcoming
June 25 issue of National Review.

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 10:40 AM
This was actually posted a couple of years ago but it's always a good reminder and just another dose of truth to the Obots which won't help but it doesn't hurt to try:rolleyes:

qabbaan
06-07-2012, 11:17 AM
This was actually posted a couple of years ago but it's always a good reminder and just another dose of truth to the Obots which won't help but it doesn't hurt to try:rolleyes:

If you read the article, you'd have heard about the impact of new evidence which contradicts the campaign's excuses. It's not an old article.

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 11:21 AM
If you read the article, you'd have heard about the impact of new evidence which contradicts the campaign's excuses. It's not an old article.

My bad. You are correct it is not an old article but it is by the same journalist and why when I glanced at the thread title and author I thought it was the same.

Amnorix
06-07-2012, 11:22 AM
Let's see how many people who truly and sincerely doubt an actual birth certificate, hte statements of the Republican Governor/Secretary of State of Hawaii and contemporaneous newspaper accounts automatically assume, without any supporting documents whatsoever, that OF COURSE Obama was a "card-carrying member" of the New Party...

I for one will reserve judgment altogether, as I know nothing about the New Party or the author of this article, and haven't seen anything except his diatribe to prove anything about anything. After watchign the antics of the right in such things as "SwiftBoating", one really must take things with a grain of salt.

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 11:30 AM
The vetting continues..?

Yep ! But no way in hell this gets any traction with the Mainstream Stenography Progressive Media except for Fox possibly.

Cave Johnson
06-07-2012, 11:35 AM
This is totally a winning issue the R's should run on.

Iz Zat Chew
06-07-2012, 11:36 AM
Let's see how many people who truly and sincerely doubt an actual birth certificate, hte statements of the Republican Governor/Secretary of State of Hawaii and contemporaneous newspaper accounts automatically assume, without any supporting documents whatsoever, that OF COURSE Obama was a "card-carrying member" of the New Party...

I for one will reserve judgment altogether, as I know nothing about the New Party or the author of this article, and haven't seen anything except his diatribe to prove anything about anything. After watchign the antics of the right in such things as "SwiftBoating", one really must take things with a grain of salt.

Were you that forgiving during the Bush years?

I know the left seem to have a blind eye towards Obama just as the right has with anyone Republican, but are the things he's doing really escape the collective left? Bypassing Congress when he feels the need is something that shoud concern everyone. If a republican did the same thing everyone should be concerned.

I'd like America survive and once again the the example that other nations would like to emulate. Since Obama has been in office I've read and seen video from other countries that are having a blast making fun of America and their Hope and Change guy.

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 11:39 AM
Let's see how many people who truly and sincerely doubt an actual birth certificate, hte statements of the Republican Governor/Secretary of State of Hawaii and contemporaneous newspaper accounts automatically assume, without any supporting documents whatsoever, that OF COURSE Obama was a "card-carrying member" of the New Party...

I for one will reserve judgment altogether, as I know nothing about the New Party or the author of this article, and haven't seen anything except his diatribe to prove anything about anything. After watchign the antics of the right in such things as "SwiftBoating", one really must take things with a grain of salt.

So this author is bluffing that he has new evidence and Obama never signed on to the roster of the New Party? Is this what you are saying?

patteeu
06-07-2012, 11:39 AM
Lied about membership in a socialist 3rd party? Check

Lied about his embrace of socialist black liberation theology? Check

Lied about his relationship with socialist terror couple Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorne? Check

CP liberals laughing at the idea that Obama is a socialist? Check (your heads)

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 11:40 AM
This is totally a winning issue the R's should run on.

And why you are still Dittsy !!:rolleyes:

Donger
06-07-2012, 11:41 AM
I'd like to see the actual evidence and documents, honestly.

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 11:42 AM
Lied about membership in a socialist 3rd party? Check

Lied about his embrace of socialist black liberation theology? Check

Lied about his relationship with socialist terror couple Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorne? Check

CP liberals laughing at the idea that Obama is a socialist? Check (your heads)

:thumb::clap:

CP Marxist Libs just have a very difficult time acknowledging "The Duck" in the room !!:thumb:

JonesCrusher
06-07-2012, 11:51 AM
IMO what is becoming apparent is that Obama has used every opportunity to modify his history and beliefs in order to get what he wants. I do not believe he is from Kenya or a supporter of the socialist party but I do believe that he has used the story that he was born in Kenya to gain an advantage, and also used multiple radical entity's to further his career. He has actually used these lies to his advantage even when caught.

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 11:53 AM
I'd like to see the actual evidence and documents, honestly.

It's Kurtz from National Review. I assure you it's there:thumb: as he said you can see more detail in the magazine article.

He is just waiting for a 'walk back acknowledgment' of his earlier article back in 2008 in which his work was called a 'smear tactic' by the Mainstream Stenography Progressive Media. He won't get it from them of course and then he will probably go on a full media blitz starting with Fox at that point and force the issue going forward.

You don't call Kurtz a smear monger and get away with it is my point.:thumb:

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 11:59 AM
IMO what is becoming apparent is that Obama has used every opportunity to modify his history and beliefs in order to get what he wants. I do not believe he is from Kenya or a supporter of the socialist party but I do believe that he has used the story that he was born in Kenya to gain an advantage, and also used multiple radical entity's to further his career. He has actually used these lies to his advantage even when caught.

I agree with most of your post here except I do believe he is a 'pure socialist'. Very simply, actions speak louder than words and the people you associate with are usually like minded especially when you look at what we at least know to this point from birth to present:thumb:

Donger
06-07-2012, 12:06 PM
It's Kurtz from National Review. I assure you it's there:thumb: as he said you can see more detail in the magazine article.

He is just waiting for a 'walk back acknowledgment' of his earlier article back in 2008 in which his work was called a 'smear tactic' by the Mainstream Stenography Progressive Media. He won't get it from them of course and then he will probably go on a full media blitz starting with Fox at that point and force the issue going forward.

You don't call Kurtz a smear monger and get away with it is my point.:thumb:

I've read both pages of the article and I don't see the documents or links to the documents that he's referring to.

Bewbies
06-07-2012, 12:15 PM
I'd add this to my other thread, but it's been made clear to me that Obama is a capitalist of the highest order...

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 12:22 PM
I've read both pages of the article and I don't see the documents or links to the documents that he's referring to.

Just wait. This is my point is that most of all these journalists know each other and are friends and there are some enemies. Like any industry it is incestuous to a point and everyone knows everyone. When he was called a 'smear monger' this was an insult to him and now that he has actual evidence that will eventually be seen he wants a retraction. This is a big pissing contest right now and this article is just a warning to those who called him out as a smear monger and he is wanting a 'walk back acknowledgement' which would be an indirect apology. He won't get it of course but.......

Munson
06-07-2012, 12:31 PM
This doesn't surprise me at all. But I still want to see the evidence.

Chiefshrink
06-07-2012, 12:38 PM
This doesn't surprise me at all. But I still want to see the evidence.

as do I, but I have no doubt because Kurtz's rep is impeccable:thumb:

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 12:44 PM
as do I, but I have no doubt because Kurtz's rep is impeccable:thumb:

Sean Hannity says he's a "Great American." What else do you need?

Chief Henry
06-07-2012, 12:50 PM
"The vetting continues"........more to come.

Amnorix
06-07-2012, 12:54 PM
Were you that forgiving during the Bush years?

I know the left seem to have a blind eye towards Obama just as the right has with anyone Republican, but are the things he's doing really escape the collective left? Bypassing Congress when he feels the need is something that shoud concern everyone. If a republican did the same thing everyone should be concerned.

I'd like America survive and once again the the example that other nations would like to emulate. Since Obama has been in office I've read and seen video from other countries that are having a blast making fun of America and their Hope and Change guy.


Not sure if you mean the executive orders. I seriously disliked those under Bush. I haven't followed whether Obama is using them in the same way Bush was. My understanding of the issue then was that Bush was using them in a way that was not similar to how they had been used prior to his Presidency. Rather, Bush was using them to reshape/redefine the laws that he was signing.

If Obama is doing that also, I definitely disapprove.

Amnorix
06-07-2012, 12:56 PM
So this author is bluffing that he has new evidence and Obama never signed on to the roster of the New Party? Is this what you are saying?


No. What I'm saying is that if the Pope and Dalai Lama had both sworn under oath that they had seen Obama physically born in Hawaii, you would still doubt them compared to the word of a jailed rapist former drug addict who mumbled something in his sleep about thinking Obama might have been born in Kenya.

suzzer99
06-07-2012, 02:43 PM
If you can't judge Obama on the last 4 years than you aren't paying attention. Why would this matter in the slightest?

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 02:59 PM
If you can't judge Obama on the last 4 years than you aren't paying attention. Why would this matter in the slightest?

This! If someone has not figured out he is nothing more than an American Idol candidate, who was slickly packaged and sold to voters, then nothing said or proven about him will change their mind. If four years of his embarrassing performance is not enough, I don't know what would be~

patteeu
06-07-2012, 03:20 PM
If you can't judge Obama on the last 4 years than you aren't paying attention. Why would this matter in the slightest?

This is part of his performance over the past 4 years. He lied about this 4 years ago. It matters because it's more evidence that you can't believe a word he says.

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 03:32 PM
This is part of his performance over the past 4 years. He lied about this 4 years ago. It matters because it's more evidence that you can't believe a word he says.

His performance alone should be all anyone should need to vote him out. Anyone who still supports him, would do so if he was caught naked in bed with a ten year old~

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 03:38 PM
Game changer.

patteeu
06-07-2012, 03:39 PM
His performance alone should be all anyone should need to vote him out. Anyone who still supports him, would do so if he was caught naked in bed with a ten year old~

Sad but true. Cosmo and Direckshun would see that as evidence that he's working hard for the kids.

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 03:45 PM
His performance alone should be all anyone should need to vote him out. Anyone who still supports him, would do so if he was caught naked in bed with a ten year old~

Rantings of a lunatic.

J Diddy
06-07-2012, 03:58 PM
When will the vetting end?


Four years after his second term.

The_Grand_Illusion
06-07-2012, 04:00 PM
No. What I'm saying is that if the Pope and Dalai Lama had both sworn under oath that they had seen Obama physically born in Hawaii, you would still doubt them compared to the word of a jailed rapist former drug addict who mumbled something in his sleep about thinking Obama might have been born in Kenya.

I can’t believe you are a lawyer and don’t look in to these things objectively. You seem to accept the liberal culture’s birth narrative blindly. You’d be funny to go up against on this if you had to defend the Democrat party in court even by a non-lawyer like me.

It’s good this author is getting down to providing more facts and more Obama’s lies. It’s looking more and more like a slickly packaged candidate, as RedNeckRaider says, sold to gullible American people like you.

I see you still like to claim what the Governor’s and official’s statements on the birth matter. Did it ever occur to you the embarrassment that state may have because of the loophole birth certificates they have issued in the past? Have you ever looked in to how easy it is to get a birth certificate back then even if you were not born in Hawaii? Even his sister, who was born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian BC. And do you realize if he was issued one of these loophole BC’s, it would still appear in the local papers back then? Notice how legally worded those statements were from Hawaii officials. Imagine a loophole BC that allowed someone to become president. Yes, Hawaii would have just cause to be concerned about this embarrassment if this was the case.

Then there is the Official Certification of Nomination or OCON that the legal language was left off saying he was qualified under the constitution, from Hawaii, while all other 50 states said otherwise. Many people have asked why is there 2 different OCON’s like that. Now, you have Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his experts pointing out the problems with the last BC, the Whitehouse put out. They’ve also found problems with his Selective Service card and Social Security number. The Selective Service card info is pretty informative how it was not produced when Obama claimed it was. All the info on his Social Security now has been locked down. It’s a public number now so why the lockdown if he has nothing to hide. Remember when he said he’d be the most transparent administration? It was just another lie because all his school records remain on lockdown too. You also have his bio from his literary agent that claimed he was born in Kenya and stood for many years and revisions. You also have articles in the Wayback machine web archives that claimed he was born in Kenya. Authors have come forward saying your bio would not be a mistake like that for that long if it was. So he is either lying now or then to suit his aspirations. We really don’t know the true birth narrative because there is still so many questions and so much hidden to the real truth but the left doesn’t even want to touch it objectively let alone you as a lawyer.

Joseph Goebbels talked about telling a lie so big no one will believe it but he also said the enemy of the lie is the truth. You can call me birther or whatever name you want but there are plenty of questions about this president and how it all came to be and his destructive agenda. Much of it was out there during the last election but was ignored by the main stream media. The liberal culture including the media, duped so many people in that last election but it’s up to all of us to correct this huge mistake.

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 04:04 PM
I can’t believe you are a lawyer and don’t look in to these things objectively. You seem to accept the liberal culture’s birth narrative blindly. You’d be funny to go up against on this if you had to defend the Democrat party in court even by a non-lawyer like me.

It’s good this author is getting down to providing more facts and more Obama’s lies. It’s looking more and more like a slickly packaged candidate, as RedNeckRaider says, sold to gullible American people like you.

I see you still like to claim what the Governor’s and official’s statements on the birth matter. Did it ever occur to you the embarrassment that state may have because of the loophole birth certificates they have issued in the past? Have you ever looked in to how easy it is to get a birth certificate back then even if you were not born in Hawaii? Even his sister, who was born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian BC. And do you realize if he was issued one of these loophole BC’s, it would still appear in the local papers back then? Notice how legally worded those statements were from Hawaii officials. Imagine a loophole BC that allowed someone to become president. Yes, Hawaii would have just cause to be concerned about this embarrassment if this was the case.

Then there is the Official Certification of Nomination or OCON that the legal language was left off saying he was qualified under the constitution, from Hawaii, while all other 50 states said otherwise. Many people have asked why is there 2 different OCON’s like that. Now, you have Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his experts pointing out the problems with the last BC, the Whitehouse put out. They’ve also found problems with his Selective Service card and Social Security number. The Selective Service card info is pretty informative how it was not produced when Obama claimed it was. All the info on his Social Security now has been locked down. It’s a public number now so why the lockdown if he has nothing to hide. Remember when he said he’d be the most transparent administration? It was just another lie because all his school records remain on lockdown too. You also have his bio from his literary agent that claimed he was born in Kenya and stood for many years and revisions. You also have articles in the Wayback machine web archives that claimed he was born in Kenya. Authors have come forward saying your bio would not be a mistake like that for that long if it was. So he is either lying now or then to suit his aspirations. We really don’t know the true birth narrative because there is still so many questions and so much hidden to the real truth but the left doesn’t even want to touch it objectively let alone you as a lawyer.

Joseph Goebbels talked about telling a lie so big no one will believe it but he also said the enemy of the lie is the truth. You can call me birther or whatever name you want but there are plenty of questions about this president and how it all came to be and his destructive agenda. Much of it was out there during the last election but was ignored by the main stream media. The liberal culture including the media, duped so many people in that last election but it’s up to all of us to correct this huge mistake.

Its like finding the Loch Ness Monster--a creature dumber than Iz has been located! Birther nuts unite!

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 04:06 PM
Rantings of a lunatic.

LMAO being called a lunatic by you is a compliment~

The_Grand_Illusion
06-07-2012, 04:14 PM
Its like finding the Loch Ness Monster--a creature dumber than Iz has been located! Birther nuts unite!

LMAO

In the real world it is you libs that are the nutcases but I understand the make believe world you live in, lol.

Radar Chief
06-07-2012, 04:33 PM
When will the vetting end?


Four years after his second term.

Maybe if it had been done properly beforehand it wouldn’t be this continuous trickle of information.

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 04:36 PM
Maybe if it had been done properly beforehand it wouldn’t be this continuous trickle of information.

You guys are so silly. I love it though.

Keep fucking this chicken. It got Obama the first 4 and will get him another 4.

Radar Chief
06-07-2012, 04:48 PM
You guys are so silly. I love it though.

Keep ****ing this chicken. It got Obama the first 4 and will get him another 4.

So you’re saying the MSM wasn’t derelict in vetting Obama before he was elected? Just wondering because you’d be one of the few claiming so.

Amnorix
06-07-2012, 04:51 PM
I can’t believe you are a lawyer and don’t look in to these things objectively. You seem to accept the liberal culture’s birth narrative blindly. You’d be funny to go up against on this if you had to defend the Democrat party in court even by a non-lawyer like me.

It’s good this author is getting down to providing more facts and more Obama’s lies. It’s looking more and more like a slickly packaged candidate, as RedNeckRaider says, sold to gullible American people like you.

I'm glad to believe this author, and make my voting decision in consideration of those additional facts, as soon as I see, you know, some actual PROOF or EVIDENCE. All we have so far is this right winger who hates Obama.

You tell me I'm gullible, but I'm just waiting until I have more than the word of a guy who hates Obama. Who is the gullible one if it turns out he pulled it out of his ass?

I see you still like to claim what the Governor’s and official’s statements on the birth matter. Did it ever occur to you the embarrassment that state may have because of the loophole birth certificates they have issued in the past? Have you ever looked in to how easy it is to get a birth certificate back then even if you were not born in Hawaii? Even his sister, who was born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian BC. And do you realize if he was issued one of these loophole BC’s, it would still appear in the local papers back then? Notice how legally worded those statements were from Hawaii officials. Imagine a loophole BC that allowed someone to become president. Yes, Hawaii would have just cause to be concerned about this embarrassment if this was the case.

Ah, you're a birther. That explains much. Don't mind me as I relegate you to the loony bin.

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 04:53 PM
So you’re saying the MSM wasn’t derelict in vetting Obama before he was elected? Just wondering because you’d be one of the few claiming so.

They hit him every which way no matter if it was real or fake...Ayers...Wright...the still bogus birth certificate thing? All of that bullshit was completely wide spread. You heard it everywhere.

I understand the need to conjure up these flimsy stories. Nobody is actually backing Romney.

Good job team.

Donger
06-07-2012, 04:54 PM
Even his sister, who was born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian BC.

I've not heard this before.

Amnorix
06-07-2012, 04:55 PM
So you’re saying the MSM wasn’t derelict in vetting Obama before he was elected? Just wondering because you’d be one of the few claiming so.


No such thing as the main stream media anymore. It's just something the right loves to prop up.

Any dirt that could possibly be found and screamed from the mountaintops will be found and screamed about by the far right and their dedicated and vociferous adherents. The Wall STreet Journal, Forbes, National Review, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Drudge and the rest leave very few stones unturned, yet you somehow claim that the MSM dominates all and has weird mind-control powers over the American voting public and that nobody can hear the truth due to the MSM's control over information.

It's comical, to be honest. This isn't 1975 when 75% of Americans got their news from a half-hour of Walter Cronkite or whatever. JFC.

Donger
06-07-2012, 04:55 PM
I understand the need to conjure up these flimsy stories.

Why? You think that Obama's actually going to run on his record?

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 04:57 PM
Why? You think that Obama's actually going to run on his record?

Because his opponent is Mitt Romney.

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 04:57 PM
It's comical, to be honest. This isn't 1975 when 75% of Americans got their news from a half-hour of Walter Cronkite or whatever. JFC.

That is a good point.

Donger
06-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Because his opponent is Mitt Romney.

I think that the GOP has plenty else to attack Obama on. Namely, his record.

The_Grand_Illusion
06-07-2012, 04:59 PM
I'm glad to believe this author, and make my voting decision in consideration of those additional facts, as soon as I see, you know, some actual PROOF or EVIDENCE. All we have so far is this right winger who hates Obama.

You tell me I'm gullible, but I'm just waiting until I have more than the word of a guy who hates Obama. Who is the gullible one if it turns out he pulled it out of his ass?



Ah, you're a birther. That explains much. Don't mind me as I relegate you to the loony bin.

LMAO

In other words, you got nothing, lol.

Case closed :p

See now that was fun.

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 04:59 PM
I think that the GOP has plenty else to attack Obama on. Namely, his record.

I think the GOP is pretty bad at this stuff these days.

Donger
06-07-2012, 05:00 PM
I think the GOP is pretty bad at this stuff these days.

We'll see.

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 05:01 PM
We'll see.

Mitt. Romney.

LMAO

Radar Chief
06-07-2012, 05:01 PM
They hit him every which way no matter if it was real or fake...Ayers...Wright...the still bogus birth certificate thing? All of that bullshit was completely wide spread. You heard it everywhere.

I understand the need to conjure up these flimsy stories. Nobody is actually backing Romney.

Good job team.

You only heard that from right wing talk radio and FOX. The rest of the MSM spent their time "conjuring up" the idea that anyone questioning his credentials were loons, which obviously worked on you.

Donger
06-07-2012, 05:02 PM
Mitt. Romney.

LMAO

Obama's. Record.

LMAO

Radar Chief
06-07-2012, 05:03 PM
No such thing as the main stream media anymore. It's just something the right loves to prop up.

Any dirt that could possibly be found and screamed from the mountaintops will be found and screamed about by the far right and their dedicated and vociferous adherents. The Wall STreet Journal, Forbes, National Review, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Drudge and the rest leave very few stones unturned, yet you somehow claim that the MSM dominates all and has weird mind-control powers over the American voting public and that nobody can hear the truth due to the MSM's control over information.

It's comical, to be honest. This isn't 1975 when 75% of Americans got their news from a half-hour of Walter Cronkite or whatever. JFC.

I know you like to play like uh cable news channel negates all the rest but of all the sources you just listed only one is piped directly into your home on the most basic of cable packages. All of the others have to be sought out.

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 05:04 PM
You only heard that from right wing talk radio and FOX. The rest of the MSM spent their time "conjuring up" the idea that anyone questioning his credentials were loons, which obviously worked on you.

Do I strike you as a guy who sits around watching right wing radio and Fox? LMAO

No biggie...you can play the media victim card all you want and pretend it isn't Mitt Romney who you propped up on the GOP side. Enjoy playing the victim and enjoy another 4 years of Obama because these flimsy fabricated stories are not resonating with moderates in the least. Run with this stuff as fast and hard as you can.

Radar Chief
06-07-2012, 05:09 PM
Do I strike you as a guy who sits around watching right wing radio and Fox? LMAO

No, which is exactly the point, you did not “hear that everywhere”.

No biggie...you can play the media victim card all you want and pretend it isn't Mitt Romney who you propped up on the GOP side. Enjoy playing the victim and enjoy another 4 years of Obama because these flimsy fabricated stories are not resonating with moderates in the least. Run with this stuff as fast and hard as you can.

Victim card? Who is playing the victim here? You’re the one crying about flimsy fabricated stories.

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 05:11 PM
No, which is exactly the point, you did not “hear that everywhere”.



Victim card? Who is playing the victim here? You’re the one crying about flimsy fabricated stories.

I did hear about them...all the time. To say that the bigger media outlets did not cover those issues is to have your head completely in the sand. As far down in the sand as the party who is propping up Mitt Romney. As a Republican*

I am not crying about anything. I am encouraging you and others to keep up with the fabricated stories that do not resonate with voters outside of the GOP base and will ultimately lead to another 4 years.


* - whatever the hell that even means these days

Donger
06-07-2012, 05:14 PM
I did hear about them...all the time. To say that the bigger media outlets did not cover those issues is to have your head completely in the sand. As far down in the sand as the party who is propping up Mitt Romney. As a Republican*

I am not crying about anything. I am encouraging you and others to keep up with the fabricated stories that do not resonate with voters outside of the GOP base and will ultimately lead to another 4 years.


* - whatever the hell that even means these days

I'm sure you do, because you certainly wouldn't want the GOP to focus on his record, would you?

|Zach|
06-07-2012, 05:15 PM
I'm sure you do, because you certainly wouldn't want the GOP to focus on his record, would you?

They will do a ton of that. They don't want to talk about Mitt if they don't have to.

The_Grand_Illusion
06-07-2012, 05:18 PM
I've not heard this before.

I've read it elsewhere and it's in the long birther thread. Here is another one I found that makes that claim too.

http://www.examiner.com/article/indonesia-born-obama-sister-has-a-certificate-of-live-birth-from-hawaii


Indonesia born Obama sister has a certificate of live birth from Hawaii

Gil Guignat
Phoenix Conservative Examiner


"This article is a about a quick update on the progress of Arizona’s presidential eligibility law. We thought however that we would start with blowing up the argument that since Obama has a certificate of live birth, he was born in Hawaii. Obama’s sister also has a certificate of live birth even though she was born in Indonesia. About this there is absolutely no doubt. It is therefore possible to be born in another part of the world and get a certificate of live birth from Hawaii. This also puts to rest the idea that if you have a certificate of live birth from Hawaii it means you were born in Hawaii and therefore a US citizen. Obama’s sister has clearly disproven that.".......

Amnorix
06-07-2012, 05:33 PM
I know you like to play like uh cable news channel negates all the rest but of all the sources you just listed only one is piped directly into your home on the most basic of cable packages. All of the others have to be sought out.


In 2012, anyone with more than a very cursory interest in politics seeks out, and finds, whatever they want.

Let's face it, the only ones whose thinking is dominated exclusively by CNN aren't very politically interested and are among the least likely to vote. I know that right wing "news" (including Rush, etc.) carp on so endlessly about the evils of the mainstream media that everyone that listens to them even casually must believe it's true, but it seriously makes no sense here in 2012.

I'd love to know what percentage of voting Americans get 90+% of their news exclusively from television anymore. I bet the number is pretty small.

Heck, there have even been Republicans -- Buchanan I believe -- who admitted the whole "mainstream media' thing was bullshit.

JonesCrusher
06-07-2012, 06:19 PM
They will do a ton of that. They don't want to talk about Mitt if they don't have to.

Clinton has a lot of great things to say about Mitt.

It may even be in the best interest of the Clintons to sway some Hillary supporters to help get Romney elected.

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 06:20 PM
I've read it elsewhere and it's in the long birther thread. Here is another one I found that makes that claim too.

http://www.examiner.com/article/indonesia-born-obama-sister-has-a-certificate-of-live-birth-from-hawaii


Indonesia born Obama sister has a certificate of live birth from Hawaii

Gil Guignat
Phoenix Conservative Examiner


"This article is a about a quick update on the progress of Arizona’s presidential eligibility law. We thought however that we would start with blowing up the argument that since Obama has a certificate of live birth, he was born in Hawaii. Obama’s sister also has a certificate of live birth even though she was born in Indonesia. About this there is absolutely no doubt. It is therefore possible to be born in another part of the world and get a certificate of live birth from Hawaii. This also puts to rest the idea that if you have a certificate of live birth from Hawaii it means you were born in Hawaii and therefore a US citizen. Obama’s sister has clearly disproven that.".......


This story really makes a case. It states "About this there is absolutely no doubt." And...that's it. I guess that's it--case closed.

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 06:29 PM
In 2012, anyone with more than a very cursory interest in politics seeks out, and finds, whatever they want.

Let's face it, the only ones whose thinking is dominated exclusively by CNN aren't very politically interested and are among the least likely to vote. I know that right wing "news" (including Rush, etc.) carp on so endlessly about the evils of the mainstream media that everyone that listens to them even casually must believe it's true, but it seriously makes no sense here in 2012.

I'd love to know what percentage of voting Americans get 90+% of their news exclusively from television anymore. I bet the number is pretty small.

Heck, there have even been Republicans -- Buchanan I believe -- who admitted the whole "mainstream media' thing was bullshit.

What are you talking about? No matter what side you are on it is easy, if you are on the right you just read chain emails and watch FOX, if you are left do the same, only watch MSNBC. I would wager at least 60% of both sides form their views on chain emails and political entertainment shows~

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 06:45 PM
What are you talking about? No matter what side you are on it is easy, if you are on the right you just read chain emails and watch FOX, if you are left do the same, only watch MSNBC. I would wager at least 60% of both sides form their views on chain emails and political entertainment shows~

The side that relies on chain e-mails loses, automatically.

Fox and MSNBC's hosts are obviously biased, but that's not the problem. The problem is honesty and fairness. I think MSNBC's are at least honest and fair. Fox's aren't.

Fox's are willing to spend an hour on BS allegations pulled from some right-wing author's arse. Hannity's guests are like a carnival freak show. O'Reilly spends time each week with someone who analyzes body langauge. Birtherism. What Jeremiah Wright said this week and how that means Obama said it. If you're a right-wing nut with a theory, Fox has a segment for you.

The_Grand_Illusion
06-07-2012, 06:50 PM
This story really makes a case. It states "About this there is absolutely no doubt." And...that's it. I guess that's it--case closed.

Could be, LMAO here is another example, lol

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/hawaii-birth-certificate-reliable-or-not/question-2625174/

Hawaii birth certificate: reliable? Or not?
by Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA Posted April 30, 2012

Last week, Steven Carter, of Philadelphia, PA, solved
a mystery that had troubled him since he was a boy. In fact, he is not
Steve Carter, but Marx Panama Barns. In 1977, his mother ran away from her husband and took him with her.
Eventually she traveled to Hawaii. The details are still sketchy, but
somehow someone in authority committed Barnes/Carter’s mother for
psychiatric treatment and sent the infant Barnes/Carter to an orphanage.
The mother later left the hospital, and no one has seen her since.


What has this to do with Obama eligibility? Just this: no one issued a
birth certificate for him until a year after his supposed birthday.
That birth certificate came from Hawaii. It listed Barnes/Carter as
“half native Hawaiian.” But the adult now calling himself Steve Carter has no discernible “native Hawaiian” features.

More to the point: Marx Panama Barnes was not born in Hawaii. He was born in California.

CBS-TV ran a human-interest special on Barnes/Carter. They focused
only on his solving his own child-snatching. But they missed a vital
point: how did he get a Hawaii birth certificate if he was not born in Hawaii?

Nor is this the first time that Hawaii has given a birth certificate
to someone not born on those islands. Mike Zullo is the head of the Cold
Case Posse of Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona. He and
his team have looked into the Obama eligibility question almost since
the White House released what they said was Obama’s birth certificate.
Zullo did not concentrate only on the flaws in the Obama birth
certificate document. He asked himself whether the Hawaii Department of
Health might give someone a birth certificate even if that someone was
not born in Hawaii.

Zullo told interviewer Carl Gallups
that the Hawaii Department of Health has done just that several times.
He also gave the lie to another anti-Obama eligibility canard. Birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers at the time relied only on family telephone calls. And no one ever checked those.

Hawaii is notorious for having satellite birth registry
offices. [There, people] can literally go in and register another
[person] born in a foreign country—a foreign birth—and register that
birth in Hawaii and get a Certificate of Live Birth.


That last is the official title of the Obama birth certificate
document. Zullo further told Gallups that his team knew of persons born
in California, and adopted in Hawaii, who had Hawaii Certificates of Live Birth. Furthermore, these certificates were in the same registry as persons truly born in Hawaii.

Recall that Marx Panama Barnes/Steve Carter was also born in California and adopted in Hawaii.

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 06:51 PM
The side that relies on chain e-mails loses, automatically.

Fox and MSNBC's hosts are obviously biased, but that's not the problem. The problem is honesty and fairness. I think MSNBC's are at least honest and fair. Fox's aren't.

Fox's are willing to spend an hour on BS allegations pulled from some right-wing author's arse. Hannity's guests are like a carnival freak show. O'Reilly spends time each week with someone who analyzes body langauge. Birtherism. What Jeremiah Wright said this week and how that means Obama said it. If you're a right-wing nut with a theory, Fox has a segment for you.

You have to be a mult LMAO your one sided posts make it clear you wish to make the left look foolish~

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 07:27 PM
Could be, LMAO here is another example, lol

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/hawaii-birth-certificate-reliable-or-not/question-2625174/

Hawaii is notorious for having satellite birth registry
offices. [There, people] can literally go in and register another
[person] born in a foreign country—a foreign birth—and register that
birth in Hawaii and get a Certificate of Live Birth.



First, sodahead.com? LMAO

Second, I'd really like to see some verification that somone can just waltz in to the birth certificate store in Hawaii, register a birth that didn't take place there, and walk out with a birth certificate.

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 07:29 PM
You have to be a mult LMAO your one sided posts make it clear you wish to make the left look foolish~

I have one side, that is true. The side of reason, common sense and logic.

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 07:43 PM
I have one side, that is true. The side of reason, common sense and logic.

LMAO shit sprayer is that you?

Iz Zat Chew
06-07-2012, 07:46 PM
LMAO shit sprayer is that you?

I thought the story on shit sprayer was that he was a rightie? The other guy/gal is just nucking futs.

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 07:51 PM
I thought the story on shit sprayer was that he was a rightie? The other guy/gal is just nucking futs.

...says the guy who wants Alan Keyes to be president.


and the birther

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 07:57 PM
I thought the story on shit sprayer was that he was a rightie? The other guy/gal is just nucking futs.

So is he. Why else would he/her post things that make the left look so silly?

RedNeckRaider
06-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Sorry Cosmo for blowing your cover. Then again did you really think anyone takes your act serious?

cosmo20002
06-07-2012, 08:50 PM
Sorry Cosmo for blowing your cover. Then again did you really think anyone takes your act serious?

Not sure what act you're talking about. What exactly have I said that is so off-the-wall?

banyon
06-07-2012, 08:52 PM
OMG what will happen if he becomes president?!!!1?11!!11

mikey23545
06-07-2012, 08:58 PM
In 2012, anyone with more than a very cursory interest in politics seeks out, and finds, whatever they want.

Let's face it, the only ones whose thinking is dominated exclusively by CNN aren't very politically interested and are among the least likely to vote. I know that right wing "news" (including Rush, etc.) carp on so endlessly about the evils of the mainstream media that everyone that listens to them even casually must believe it's true, but it seriously makes no sense here in 2012.

I'd love to know what percentage of voting Americans get 90+% of their news exclusively from television anymore. I bet the number is pretty small.

Heck, there have even been Republicans -- Buchanan I believe -- who admitted the whole "mainstream media' thing was bullshit.

Ahh, way to go...Your usual devotion to truth and logic.

I guess you missed the fact that Insano-Buchanan left the Republican Party back in the 1990's and has worked for MSNBC ever since (at least when he isn't running a Ralph-Nader-like campaign for president)...I'm sure having a job at MSNBC didn't influence his comments on the media at all...

You are such a lying fucking tool, but then you are an ambulance chaser, aren't you?...

patteeu
06-07-2012, 09:37 PM
They hit him every which way no matter if it was real or fake...Ayers...Wright...the still bogus birth certificate thing? All of that bullshit was completely wide spread. You heard it everywhere.

I understand the need to conjure up these flimsy stories. Nobody is actually backing Romney.

Good job team.

So is Ayers an example of real or fake? Has the truth been completely sorted out?

patteeu
06-07-2012, 09:45 PM
I did hear about them...all the time. To say that the bigger media outlets did not cover those issues is to have your head completely in the sand. As far down in the sand as the party who is propping up Mitt Romney. As a Republican*

I am not crying about anything. I am encouraging you and others to keep up with the fabricated stories that do not resonate with voters outside of the GOP base and will ultimately lead to another 4 years.


* - whatever the hell that even means these days

Fabricated stories? Is this New Party story a fabricated story? Is that what Jay Carney told you?

tredadda
06-07-2012, 11:59 PM
The side that relies on chain e-mails loses, automatically.

Fox and MSNBC's hosts are obviously biased, but that's not the problem. The problem is honesty and fairness. I think MSNBC's are at least honest and fair. Fox's aren't.

Fox's are willing to spend an hour on BS allegations pulled from some right-wing author's arse. Hannity's guests are like a carnival freak show. O'Reilly spends time each week with someone who analyzes body langauge. Birtherism. What Jeremiah Wright said this week and how that means Obama said it. If you're a right-wing nut with a theory, Fox has a segment for you.

:facepalm: You do see things through rose colored glasses. You can't be serious as to think MSNBC's hosts are honest and fair. They are just as bad as those on Fox News. Well at least to everyone who does not swing far, far to the left. MSNBC much like Fox News are both jokes that only appeal to the fringes of society one on the left and the other on the right.

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 12:07 AM
OMG what will happen if he becomes president?!!!1?11!!11

Expect radical proposals such as a 3% tax increase on millionaires.:eek:

And appeasement of our radical Islamic enemies by bombarding them ninja-style with unmanned drones. :evil:

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 12:33 AM
:facepalm: You do see things through rose colored glasses. You can't be serious as to think MSNBC's hosts are honest and fair. They are just as bad as those on Fox News. Well at least to everyone who does not swing far, far to the left. MSNBC much like Fox News are both jokes that only appeal to the fringes of society one on the left and the other on the right.

I understand that you may think their opinions are far-left socialist hippie nonsense. But, if you actually watch, I think you would find that those opinions are at least actually based on reality. That's what I mean by honest and fair. Its not segment after segment with the latest right-wing author guaranteeing a socialist doomsday catastrophe or someone going on about what somone did who was an acquaintance 20 years ago and how it means Obama is trying to install sharia law.

They still are giving airtime to birthers. Bill O'Reilly actually spends time analyzing body language. Hannity allows Dick Morris to speak, and that is just irresponsible (and cruel to the viewers).

|Zach|
06-08-2012, 03:53 AM
Clinton has a lot of great things to say about Mitt.

It may even be in the best interest of the Clintons to sway some Hillary supporters to help get Romney elected.

Clinton has been squarely behind Obama. Especially just lately.

JohnnyV13
06-08-2012, 04:45 AM
They still are giving airtime to birthers. Bill O'Reilly actually spends time analyzing body language. Hannity allows Dick Morris to speak, and that is just irresponsible (and cruel to the viewers).

Obviously, you don't play poker, if you think analyzing body language is a loony waste of time.

Amnorix
06-08-2012, 07:26 AM
Ahh, way to go...Your usual devotion to truth and logic.

I guess you missed the fact that Insano-Buchanan left the Republican Party back in the 1990's and has worked for MSNBC ever since (at least when he isn't running a Ralph-Nader-like campaign for president)...I'm sure having a job at MSNBC didn't influence his comments on the media at all...

You are such a lying fucking tool, but then you are an ambulance chaser, aren't you?...


Should've said "conservative", rather than Republican. I forgot that Buchanan offically left the party.

Not a Plaintiffs lawyer, so no, I wouldn't categorize myself as an ambulance chaser.

Lying tool? Not sure I've been called that before, but coming from you, I can't say I'm wounded to the quick. Or even scratched, to be honest.

Radar Chief
06-08-2012, 08:01 AM
OMG what will happen if he becomes president?!!!1?11!!11

The economy will fall into a malaise that won’t lift until he’s gone.

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 10:48 AM
Obviously, you don't play poker, if you think analyzing body language is a loony waste of time.

And well, just how accurate is that in poker, really? And even then, you're basically just trying to discern good hand/bad hand.

So yes, I think it is kind of ridiculous to determine someone's precise feelings, emotions, and what they are thinking by watching facial tics and hand placement while giving an interview. And this is on a "news" program. He should just have the Psychic Lady on.

RedNeckRaider
06-08-2012, 11:10 AM
Not sure what act you're talking about. What exactly have I said that is so off-the-wall?

So biased to the left on every political take it is silly. To say both FOX and MSNBC are slanted, but at least MSNBC’s hosts are honest and fair LMAO I am independent, although I lean to the right. I see some here that are so loyal to one side or the other, that it makes them look silly. You are so myopic in your views, no one can take you seriously. I just guessed you are a dupe trying to make the left look bad, by posting in this manner~

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 11:23 AM
So biased to the left on every political take it is silly. To say both FOX and MSNBC are slanted, but at least MSNBC’s hosts are honest and fair LMAO I am independent, although I lean to the right. I see some here that are so loyal to one side or the other, that it makes them look silly. You are so myopic in your views, no one can take you seriously. I just guessed you are a dupe trying to make the left look bad, by posting in this manner~

I think you are very wrong about that. I just think the attacks and criticism of Dems, and obviously Obama in particular, are so over-the-top ridiculous and sometimes just insane, that they deserve a response. Doesn't mean I'm myopic or "so loyal," it just means that I don't think Obama is a secret Kenyan-born Muslim with a plan to install sharia law and destroy the economy to achieve a lifelong dream of ruling over a socialist dictatorship.

RedNeckRaider
06-08-2012, 11:31 AM
I think you are very wrong about that. I just think the attacks and criticism of Dems, and obviously Obama in particular, are so over-the-top ridiculous and sometimes just insane, that they deserve a response. Doesn't mean I'm myopic or "so loyal," it just means that I don't think Obama is a secret Kenyan-born Muslim with a plan to install sharia law and destroy the economy to achieve a lifelong dream of ruling over a socialist dictatorship.

Maybe it is just a fluke, I have never read an unbiased post from you~

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 12:45 PM
Maybe it is just a fluke, I have never read an unbiased post from you~

Why do I have to be unbiased? You said you lean to the right, so you are biased. We're not journalists or a judge in a courtroom. Bias has nothing to so with disagreeing with some of the over-the-top and often clearly untrue rants about Obama. It just means I'm reasonable and sane.

RedNeckRaider
06-08-2012, 01:01 PM
Why do I have to be unbiased? You said you lean to the right, so you are biased. We're not journalists or a judge in a courtroom. Bias has nothing to so with disagreeing with some of the over-the-top and often clearly untrue rants about Obama. It just means I'm reasonable and sane.

Whatever, I support things that are in direct opposition of the right often. You on the other hand, just tow the party line. The extreme right and the extreme left are what is wrong with this country. Blind followers who just tow the line of their party, never willing to work with each other to get anything done. Just keep blabbing the left wing swill, and I like everyone else will see you as the little lamb you are~

The_Grand_Illusion
06-08-2012, 01:55 PM
First, sodahead.com? LMAO

Second, I'd really like to see some verification that somone can just waltz in to the birth certificate store in Hawaii, register a birth that didn't take place there, and walk out with a birth certificate.

Well, these loophole birth certificates are real. You failed to read further in that article where Mike Zullo has found more instances of these loophole birth certificates. I’m not sure if he was born there or not but the fact that these exist at least leads suspicion to wonder if he has one of these. Especially all the controversy surround his birth narrative. I’ve never read a good explanation to why 2 OCON’s exist or all the secrecy surrounding his school records. It’s not just those, it’s other discrepancies concerning his Selective Service card and his Social Security number. You also ignored how he discovered how birth announcements were put in Hawaiian newspapers at the time. They were phoned in with no one checking up on them. You can check out Sheriff Joe’s investigation here:

http://www.mcsoccp.org/joomla/

Of course you’ll ignore it like a good little drone lib and resort to labeling and calling people names and just overall be arrogant. When you resort to calling people names, you’ve already lost the argument like the loon lawyer here. I’ve learned to question everything even if it’s not cool. The left culture has become a bully when it comes to these issues, downplaying, name calling, labeling. I see through all that and the best way to defeat a bully is to stand up to them. I’m not afraid to stand up to your corrupt culture. I’m not part of your culture that has created big government as your mommy and daddy. If it makes you feel good to bankrupt the future of this country for your feel-good ideology of today, I refuse to be a part of that because it fails in the real world. That failure is playing out right now in our economy. The 100 year progressive/liberal, Keynsian, big government experiment in this country has been an utter failure. To keep your dream going means bankrupting even more of this country’s future. The future of this country is what is at stake and how it’s been corrupted by progressives in both parties in the past century.

You libs really don’t understand the disaster Obama and the Democrats have been where they doubled-down on failed Keynesian economics and crony capitalism. Of course you libs are in denial because you are partially responsible for supporting this disaster on your fellow Americans.

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 01:58 PM
Whatever, I support things that are in direct opposition of the right often. You on the other hand, just tow the party line. The extreme right and the extreme left are what is wrong with this country. Blind followers who just tow the line of their party, never willing to work with each other to get anything done. Just keep blabbing the left wing swill, and I like everyone else will see you as the little lamb you are~

You have no idea what you are talking about.

RedNeckRaider
06-08-2012, 02:00 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Bullshit little lamb. As you have shown today, you are a one trick pony...err...lamb~

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 02:04 PM
When you resort to calling people names, you’ve already lost the argument



No, I just throw those in for fun. Did you actually back up your looniness by citing to Sheriff Joe? ROFL

Every one of the nutjob birther assertions has been thoroughly debunked. The state of Hawaii (including an R governor) has authenticated his birth certificate. There's much other circumstantial evidence, but there's really no need to go further than that.

vailpass
06-08-2012, 02:18 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Have I neg repped you lately? No? Allow me to rectify that situation.

The_Grand_Illusion
06-08-2012, 02:20 PM
No, I just throw those in for fun. Did you actually back up your looniness by citing to Sheriff Joe? ROFL

Every one of the nutjob birther assertions has been thoroughly debunked. The state of Hawaii (including an R governor) has authenticated his birth certificate. There's much other circumstantial evidence, but there's really no need to go further than that.

I pretty much nailed you that you would be arrogant and ignore it, it's pretty typical of you libs. The only debunking/propaganda has been by your corrupt liberal culture. That propaganda is put out not to change our minds and suspicions, it's to keep you loony libs in line, lol.

cosmo20002
06-08-2012, 02:43 PM
I pretty much nailed you that you would be arrogant and ignore it, it's pretty typical of you libs. The only debunking/propaganda has been by your corrupt liberal culture. That propaganda is put out not to change our minds and suspicions, it's to keep you loony libs in line, lol.

I didn't ignore it. I gave it its due respect.