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Discuss Thrower
06-14-2012, 01:17 PM
First there was Holthus:

@mitchholthus
St Joe is gonna be good-some Real competition at several positions #chiefs

Then comes Klingler and 610:
@610SportsKC
NEW BLOG: @joshklingler it doesn't look like many #Chiefs training camp battles are ahead

.. I hate to disappoint Chiefs fans but I think we can put the starting lineup pretty much in ink before mid-June. St. Joseph will provide the opportunity for everyone to evaluate Matt Cassel, check on the health of Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, Tony Moeaki and Kendrick Lewis, and see battles unfold for the #3 running back and backup corner spots. Yawn.


:cuss:


But seriously though. Klinger has the depth chart at more or less the same as last year with the obvious additions of Hillis, Routt, Winston, and Boss in their respective starting positions.

What say y'all? Think that will hold true though August into week 1?

DISCUS

Saulbadguy
06-14-2012, 01:18 PM
Offensive Line?

SuperChief
06-14-2012, 01:21 PM
There probably won't be many battles for a starting gig. I think there will be, however, several good battles for backup spots (which are important, too).

Micjones
06-14-2012, 01:22 PM
There should be a battle for the #2 and #3 WR spots, no?

Chiefnj2
06-14-2012, 01:22 PM
Only turmoil to the starting roster is if ACL's aren't healed.

Ace Gunner
06-14-2012, 01:25 PM
The Holthus comment is for 10yo's imo and at this point in this team's development, you should know pretty much who your starters are going to be across the board. Imo that is a good thing. You may get a surprise riser during camp, that's a good thing too.

mcaj22
06-14-2012, 01:32 PM
There should be a battle for the #2 and #3 WR spots, no?



Who is honestly going to beat out Baldwin and Breaston that will alternate 2 and 3?

McCluster? Bahahahahahahhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Mr. Laz
06-14-2012, 01:35 PM
I don't think there are many positions left undecided

#2 QB
#4 WR
KR/PR
#3 RB
backup safety spots
Nose tackle and MLB are the only places where starting jobs are up for grabs

Poe/Gordon/Powe @NT
Belcher/Siler @ MLB

I imagine they will just rotate constantly at NT so that doesn't matter much

Belcher vs Siler could be the only real battle imo

although i don't think McCluster is a lock to make the team despite what people are saying.

Detoxing
06-14-2012, 01:39 PM
I don't think there are many positions left undecided

#2 QB
#4 WR
KR/PR
#3 RB
backup safety spots
Nose tackle and MLB are the only places where starting jobs are up for grabs

Poe/Gordon/Powe @NT
Belcher/Siler @ MLB

I imagine they will just rotate constantly at NT so that doesn't matter much

Belcher vs Siler could be the only real battle imo

although i don't think McCluster is a lock to make the team despite what people are saying.

Dont forget the battle for "special teams Ace" between Copper and Wiley.

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 01:39 PM
although i don't think McCluster is a lock to make the team despite what people are saying.

He needs to beat out Wylie for the 4th receiver spot.

Why would we keep him as the 5th receiver over Copper or Tucker? Dex can't cover kicks.

Discuss Thrower
06-14-2012, 01:39 PM
Offensive Line?

Klingler says Albert/Lilja/Hudson/Asamoah/Winston.

Stupid shortened link wouldn't paste from twitter, so here (http://www.610sports.com/Josh-Klingler--Good-thing-or-bad-thing-Kansas-City/10108317?pid=246840) it is.

Deberg_1990
06-14-2012, 01:40 PM
heh, i preach this same thing every year....

Training Camp and Pre season games are way over evaulated and analyzed.

They mean crap to a team full of veterans like the Chiefs. 99% of the roster is set.

The NFL loves preseason for one reason only. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Discuss Thrower
06-14-2012, 01:42 PM
He needs to beat out Wylie for the 4th receiver spot.

Why would we keep him as the 5th receiver over Copper or Tucker? Dex can't cover kicks.

WR: Bowe (if he signs), Breaston, Baldwin & mix in a little (or a lot) of McCluster.

U Mad Bro?

Mr. Laz
06-14-2012, 01:44 PM
He needs to beat out Wylie for the 4th receiver spot.

Why would we keep him as the 5th receiver over Copper or Tucker? Dex can't cover kicks.
If Wylie plays well then DMC is in trouble imo

Wylie can be the gadget guy and the return guy


that would force DMC to make it as a pure WR and i'm not sure he can do that.


all this stuff you hear about DMC dominating in OTA's is misleading. The small quick guys always look better in shorts with no contact.

once defenders start jamming/bumping the WR's during their routes the little guys usually see their productivity drop.

whoman69
06-14-2012, 01:47 PM
Holthus is always going to parrot whatever Pioli tells him. He's not a journalist, he's a play by play guy.

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Holthus is always going to parrot whatever Pioli tells him. He's not a journalist, he's a play by play guy.

My enduring memory of Mitch Holthus is hearing him tell me how awesome the 2007 Chiefs offense was going to be because of screen passes.

mcaj22
06-14-2012, 01:49 PM
mix in no McCluster

how about that

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 01:49 PM
mix in no McCluster

how about that

http://i45.tinypic.com/2rh2s68.jpg

themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 02:48 PM
I don't think there are many positions left undecided

#2 QB
#4 WR
KR/PR
#3 RB
backup safety spots
Nose tackle and MLB are the only places where starting jobs are up for grabs

Poe/Gordon/Powe @NT
Belcher/Siler @ MLB

I imagine they will just rotate constantly at NT so that doesn't matter much

Belcher vs Siler could be the only real battle imo

although i don't think McCluster is a lock to make the team despite what people are saying.

Yeah, I think Siler and Belcher is the only actual competition I can think of. Maybe Stanzi and Quinn, but I have a hunch that regardless, Quinn will be the #2 guy.

Toribio too. I actually think him and Gordon will be competing for starting spot there, unless Poe just plays exceptionally well. Of course it'll depend if they try to play head games with him too. I'm not sure if it was Haley, but I didn't like their "he's not ready" BS they constantly used when even "not ready" they were more ready than the person playing their spot.

Is McGraw still with the team (under contract)? If so, I'd say even backup safety is fairly set.

I haven't heard jack shit about Powe, just kinda seems like he'll be lucky to make the practice squad.

He needs to beat out Wylie for the 4th receiver spot.

Why would we keep him as the 5th receiver over Copper or Tucker? Dex can't cover kicks.

I think Dex will be the #3 receiver. I don't like it, but I think that's how its going to go. I won't be surprised if they throw to him enough to be the #2 even (yes, even with Bowe there, I think Bowe or Baldwin will end up with about the same number of throws as McCluster will get; I think Breaston will get screwed and will be lucky if he sees 20 throws this year). Seems like another place where Scott is trying to prove his ego. There's been more about Dex (and talking him up as a receiver) than anyone other than Poe and possibly Baldwin.

I don't think Wylie is going to be given a chance to bump McCluster from the team. I think they know Gray would clearly outshine McCluster at running back which is why he was moved to WR. Wylie will probably only see special teams, where they'll have him take McCluster's spot so they can say they want him to focus on the offense (and justify giving him the extra touches). So we'll pretty much never see Wylie and McCluster in comparable spots (in camp and preseason Wylie will probably be with the 3rd stringers when he's on offense, as Breaston will probably take that spot with the 2s).

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 02:52 PM
Dex will be the #3 receiver...OVER STEVE BREASTON/JONATHAN BALDWIN.

Makes sense!

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 02:52 PM
Breaston catches 61 balls last season...on a shit passing offense with 3 shit quarterbacks...

But this year he's gonna catch 20!!!!

LMAO

Fuck all you Dexter lovers.

Detoxing
06-14-2012, 02:57 PM
HAHAHA

In other news, the Texans signed a Moran.


Texans signed FB Moran Norris and DE Keith Browner Jr.

With only untested Derrell Smith and Jason Ford behind tight-end/fullback hybrid James Casey, the Texans will carry the veteran Norris as insurance through training camp. The 33-year-old won't be guaranteed a roster spot after losing his job to rookie Bruce Miller in San Francisco last year. Undrafted out of Cal, Browner's father Keith and Uncle Joey both played in the NFL. Jun 14 - 3:30 PM

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 02:59 PM
And you guys wonder why I hate Dexter so much.

It's because he spawns retards within our fanbase.

beach tribe
06-14-2012, 03:15 PM
I think Dex will be the #3 receiver. I don't like it, but I think that's how its going to go. I won't be surprised if they throw to him enough to be the #2 even (yes, even with Bowe there, I think Bowe or Baldwin will end up with about the same number of throws as McCluster will get; I think Breaston will get screwed and will be lucky if he sees 20 throws this year). Seems like another place where Scott is trying to prove his ego. There's been more about Dex (and talking him up as a receiver) than anyone other than Poe and possibly Baldwin.

I don't think Wylie is going to be given a chance to bump McCluster from the team. I think they know Gray would clearly outshine McCluster at running back which is why he was moved to WR. Wylie will probably only see special teams, where they'll have him take McCluster's spot so they can say they want him to focus on the offense (and justify giving him the extra touches). So we'll pretty much never see Wylie and McCluster in comparable spots (in camp and preseason Wylie will probably be with the 3rd stringers when he's on offense, as Breaston will probably take that spot with the 2s).
Not gonna happen. No way.
He'll be a utility player. Split time as a 3rd down back. Run routes out of the backfield. He'll split time with Breaston, but will not see the field as much as Breaston in 3 wide sets. He'll return some kicks here and there. I see him as a high quality #4, and that's a good thing. Nothing wrong with being deep at WR. There is no way he's the #3 with this core of receivers, but he'll have a role on this team, and he will contribute.

But this year he's gonna catch 20!!!!I've got something special lined up for your sig...

In 2014, or whatever, after you've paid off all of your other lost bets.

the Talking Can
06-14-2012, 03:28 PM
I think Dex will be the #3 receiver. I don't like it, but I think that's how its going to go. I won't be surprised if they throw to him enough to be the #2 even (yes, even with Bowe there, I think Bowe or Baldwin will end up with about the same number of throws as McCluster will get; I think Breaston will get screwed and will be lucky if he sees 20 throws this year).

....no

SNR
06-14-2012, 04:14 PM
Good. The dominant teams in this league have their shit figured out at the starting spots before training camp. Yeah, teams always get lucky and discover gems that got lost on the depth chart in preseason, but in general, they've got their offensive line, defensive line, QB, linebackers, and half their secondary in place. At playmaker spots like WR and RB you can get away with a little competition between the 1/2 guy and the 2/3 guy, but never open competition.

Unfortunately for us we SHOULD be having open competition at the QB spot, which is usually the position you absolutely 100% DON'T want to be up in the air. Oh well.

SNR
06-14-2012, 04:19 PM
Toribio too. I actually think him and Gordon will be competing for starting spot there, unless Poe just plays exceptionally well. Of course it'll depend if they try to play head games with him too. I'm not sure if it was Haley, but I didn't like their "he's not ready" BS they constantly used when even "not ready" they were more ready than the person playing their spot.

I haven't heard jack shit about Powe, just kinda seems like he'll be lucky to make the practice squad.
Toribio sucks. Stick a fork in him.

Gordon isn't a starting NT, he's a rotational guy. Poe will be our starter opening day. I can guarantee it. I thought that Romeo might go with Powe if he showed hardcore improvement, but since that doesn't seem to be the case, I'll betcha anything Romeo's going to bite the bullet and play the rook. Which, honestly, I'm not all that upset about.



I think Dex will be the #3 receiver. I don't like it, but I think that's how its going to go. I won't be surprised if they throw to him enough to be the #2 even (yes, even with Bowe there, I think Bowe or Baldwin will end up with about the same number of throws as McCluster will get; I think Breaston will get screwed and will be lucky if he sees 20 throws this year). Seems like another place where Scott is trying to prove his ego. There's been more about Dex (and talking him up as a receiver) than anyone other than Poe and possibly Baldwin.
Fucking retarded. Absolutely mindblowingly stupid. Your mother should be ashamed of you for being so dumb.

whoman69
06-14-2012, 04:27 PM
And you guys wonder why I hate Dexter so much.

It's because he spawns retards within our fanbase.

Just check the mirror for the first one.

Cephalic Trauma
06-14-2012, 04:44 PM
And you guys wonder why I hate Dexter so much.

It's because he spawns retards within our fanbase.

Funny, coming from you.

themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 04:50 PM
Dex will be the #3 receiver...OVER STEVE BREASTON/JONATHAN BALDWIN.

Makes sense!

Breaston catches 61 balls last season...on a shit passing offense with 3 shit quarterbacks...

But this year he's gonna catch 20!!!!

LMAO

**** all you Dexter lovers.

Wow. Where did I say I like McCluster? I think its fucking stupid, but I also think it will happen. They are going to try to force McCluster in there. I also think they're going to ignore Breaston again.

Baldwin was a nonfactor last year, and McCluster wasn't used much as a receiver. Plus they had no one at TE and the RBs also were down compared to where they'll be in the passing game. I think all of those factors will lead to Breaston getting screwed over.

Is reading comprehension a problem for you? You've completely misconstrued posts I've made multiple times now. I know being jackasses that jump to conclusions and then run around screaming "idiot!" is the thing to do on here, but damn you could at least try to actually understand what's being said.

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-14-2012, 04:55 PM
Yeah, I think Siler and Belcher is the only actual competition I can think of. Maybe Stanzi and Quinn, but I have a hunch that regardless, Quinn will be the #2 guy.

Toribio too. I actually think him and Gordon will be competing for starting spot there, unless Poe just plays exceptionally well. Of course it'll depend if they try to play head games with him too. I'm not sure if it was Haley, but I didn't like their "he's not ready" BS they constantly used when even "not ready" they were more ready than the person playing their spot.

Is McGraw still with the team (under contract)? If so, I'd say even backup safety is fairly set.

I haven't heard jack shit about Powe, just kinda seems like he'll be lucky to make the practice squad.



I think Dex will be the #3 receiver. I don't like it, but I think that's how its going to go. I won't be surprised if they throw to him enough to be the #2 even (yes, even with Bowe there, I think Bowe or Baldwin will end up with about the same number of throws as McCluster will get; I think Breaston will get screwed and will be lucky if he sees 20 throws this year). Seems like another place where Scott is trying to prove his ego. There's been more about Dex (and talking him up as a receiver) than anyone other than Poe and possibly Baldwin.

I don't think Wylie is going to be given a chance to bump McCluster from the team. I think they know Gray would clearly outshine McCluster at running back which is why he was moved to WR. Wylie will probably only see special teams, where they'll have him take McCluster's spot so they can say they want him to focus on the offense (and justify giving him the extra touches). So we'll pretty much never see Wylie and McCluster in comparable spots (in camp and preseason Wylie will probably be with the 3rd stringers when he's on offense, as Breaston will probably take that spot with the 2s).

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themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 04:56 PM
Toribio sucks. Stick a fork in him.

Gordon isn't a starting NT, he's a rotational guy. Poe will be our starter opening day. I can guarantee it. I thought that Romeo might go with Powe if he showed hardcore improvement, but since that doesn't seem to be the case, I'll betcha anything Romeo's going to bite the bullet and play the rook. Which, honestly, I'm not all that upset about.



****ing retarded. Absolutely mindblowingly stupid. Your mother should be ashamed of you for being so dumb.

I didn't say I agreed with that. Goddamn you guys need to ****ing chill out.

You should probably stick a fork in Powe as well. What very little has been said about him has not been positive.

I'm iffy on that. Like I said, that would seem to be the right call, I would guess Poe would be the best option to start, but look at Houston and some of the other moves the team has made. Maybe it was Haley, maybe not, we'll see.

See my previous post. You people really need to chill the **** out and learn to ****ing read. Damn. I'm just saying what I think will happen based on them hyping McCluster. Its the Cassel case all over. They'll claim he didn't get enough reps and they didn't use him right and etc, all as reasoning for forcing him in games. You guys are delusional if you think McCluster doesn't make the team. Daboll has already said they're designing plays around him and they've been hyping the shit out of him.

Like I said, they know Gray would easily outdo him at RB, and they don't want to chance Wylie doing the same so they wont' give him a chance to.

lcarus
06-14-2012, 04:59 PM
I really don't have a problem with no competition for starters at basically every position. We're solid at almost every position. Obviously QB is the position I would like competition at. Just about every other position though...it's pretty clear who will be the starters on September 9th.

themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 05:00 PM
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See later posts. Yes, McCluster as the #3 receiver is stupid, but I also think it is going to happen. They are going to force McCluster into the game. I will love to be wrong on this, but I'm seriously expecting them to do something that stupid.

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-14-2012, 05:07 PM
My 53 man roster is this.

QB: (3) Cassel, , Stanzi, Quinn
RB: (3) Charles, Hillis, Gray
FB (1) Bannon
WR: (6) Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, McCluster, Wylie, Copper
TE: (2) Moeaki, Boss
OL: (9) Albert, Lilja, Hudson, Asamoah, Winston, Stephenson, Allen, Harris, Mims
Special Teams: (3) Colquitt, Gafford, Succop

DL: (7) Jackson, Poe, Dorsey, Bailey, Powe, Pitoitua, Gordon
LB: (8) Hali, Johnson, Belcher, Houston, Studebaker, Siler, Sheffield, Miller
DB: (10) Berry, Flowers, Routt, Lewis, Arenas, Brown, Elam, Daniels, Menzie, McCarthy


I got 1 spot left so fill it in

Rams Fan
06-14-2012, 05:16 PM
I thought a change in the CBA allowed for there to be 46 active on game day and eliminating the emergency QB rule?

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-14-2012, 05:18 PM
I thought a change in the CBA allowed for there to be 54 active on game day and eliminating the emergency QB rule?

Nope still 53, just now you can have 46 active players on sunday now.

saphojunkie
06-14-2012, 05:19 PM
My 53 man roster is this.

QB: (3) Cassel, , Stanzi, Quinn
RB: (3) Charles, Hillis, Gray
FB (1) Bannon
WR: (6) Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, McCluster, Wylie, Copper
TE: (3) Moeaki, Boss, Maneri
OL: (9) Albert, Lilja, Hudson, Asamoah, Winston, Stephenson, Allen, Harris, Mims
Special Teams: (3) Colquitt, Gafford, Succop

DL: (7) Jackson, Poe, Dorsey, Bailey, Powe, Pitoitua, Gordon
LB: (8) Hali, Johnson, Belcher, Houston, Studebaker, Siler, Sheffield, Miller
DB: (10) Berry, Flowers, Routt, Lewis, Arenas, Brown, Elam, Daniels, Menzie, McCarthy


I got 1 spot left so fill it in

Injury concerns at TE.

Rams Fan
06-14-2012, 05:20 PM
Nope still 53, just now you can have 46 active players on sunday now.

Ugh, I'm a dumbass.

Yeah, I meant 46 instead of 45. Thanks for the clarification.

themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 05:28 PM
My 53 man roster is this.

QB: (3) Cassel, , Stanzi, Quinn
RB: (3) Charles, Hillis, Gray
FB (1) Bannon
WR: (6) Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Wylie, Copper, McCluster
TE: (2) Moeaki, Boss
OL: (9) Albert, Lilja, Hudson, Asamoah, Winston, Stephenson, Allen, Harris, Mims
Special Teams: (3) Colquitt, Gafford, Succop

DL: (7) Jackson, Poe, Dorsey, Bailey, Powe, Pitoitua, Gordon
LB: (8) Hali, Johnson, Belcher, Houston, Studebaker, Siler, Sheffield, Miller
DB: (10) Berry, Flowers, Routt, Lewis, Arenas, Brown, Elam, Daniels, Menzie, McCarthy


I got 1 spot left open so fill it in

Changed it a bit on what I think the WR depth chart should read (for all the people that apparently can't be bothered to read past the first sentence of a paragraph).

There will be a 3rd TE I would say.

Totally forgot about Pitoitua.

Who was the player just put on IR?

Al Bundy
06-14-2012, 05:36 PM
Cassel would have to his arm ripped off by Alligators in order to not be the starting QB and that is one place they needed the most competition.

SNR
06-14-2012, 05:38 PM
I didn't say I agreed with that. Goddamn you guys need to ****ing chill out.

You should probably stick a fork in Powe as well. What very little has been said about him has not been positive.

I'm iffy on that. Like I said, that would seem to be the right call, I would guess Poe would be the best option to start, but look at Houston and some of the other moves the team has made. Maybe it was Haley, maybe not, we'll see.

See my previous post. You people really need to chill the **** out and learn to ****ing read. Damn. I'm just saying what I think will happen based on them hyping McCluster. Its the Cassel case all over. They'll claim he didn't get enough reps and they didn't use him right and etc, all as reasoning for forcing him in games. You guys are delusional if you think McCluster doesn't make the team. Daboll has already said they're designing plays around him and they've been hyping the shit out of him.

Like I said, they know Gray would easily outdo him at RB, and they don't want to chance Wylie doing the same so they wont' give him a chance to.Your prediction is completely unfounded. McCluster's will be going into his 3rd season, and he will have switched positions 3 different times. This isn't like drafting Dante Hall as a RB and then realizing, "Oh... he's much better as a receiver/returner." Nobody fucking knows what McCluster's use is to this offense, except to do the shit that Jamaal Charles does, only not nearly as good.

Then you throw out that the Chiefs are ignoring Breaston. Umm... WHAT? With the worst offense this team has seen in years, the dude caught 60+ balls, and that was as a #2 receiver. Why the hell would they ignore him? Why would CASSEL ignore him? He's never had a history at all of ignoring him. Where the hell is this Breaston shit coming from?

If it's a hunch you have, then I also have a hunch. I have a hunch that Ricky Stanzi will be our opening day starter, and will win 10 consecutive Super Bowls for the Chiefs. And McCluster will not be involved in any of those 10 championships. And as far as I'm concerned, both hunches are equally valid contributions to the greater football discussion in that they're not the LEAST bit valid.

themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 05:39 PM
Nope still 53, just now you can have 46 active players on sunday now.

Ok, so what's your active roster/depth chart?

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 05:42 PM
The McCluster thing is definitely the most retarded thing I've read around here since "He will be the #2 RB," a KC Tardtoo original.

We're fixing to run a run-first offense. Just how often do you idiots think we're gonna be in 4 wide?

More importantly, how often do you think they're gonna take Moeaki off the field for a fourth wide receiver, who so far has sucked as a WR?

Use your fucking brains.

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-14-2012, 05:43 PM
Ok, so what's your active roster/depth chart?

It's all about the match up.

SNR
06-14-2012, 05:52 PM
On Powe/Toribio:

Toribio entered the league in 2008. He did nothing but fart around on a practice squad with Green Bay until he hooked up with Kansas City where he was activated for 5 games in 2010. In 2011 Powe was drafted and spent his entire season on the active roster, being activated for one game. He occupied that roster spot OVER Toribio. For the entire year. Where was Toribio in all of this? You guessed it. The fucking practice squad.

I'm not saying Powe is going to be a great player, but he was a goddamned rookie last year. The story on him is still up in the air. The only thing we've heard from mini-camp is that he showed up in pretty damn good shape. And Nick Wright had ONE tweet pointing out a flaw in Powe's technique. And this is without pads for a fucking nose tackle.

In other words, Jerrell Powe and Anthony Toribio are not even CLOSE in comparison. Jerrell Powe still has THREE seasons to go in the NFL if he wants to be as terrible as Toribio is. When the Chiefs need a 3rd NT this year, you can bet your ass that they'll keep Powe over Toribio.

At this time next year if there's no progress, THEN we can stick a fork in Powe. Until then, Powe still has life. Toribio does not.

O.city
06-14-2012, 06:19 PM
McCluster as the 3rd wr? Nope.


Breaston was brought in to be the slot/other outside guy. In todays NFL you need 3 or 4 good wr's.

Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Wylie, then maybe McCluster.

Not sure what DMC has shown some of you that makes you think he can beat out Wylie or FFS Breaston, who was pretty good last year.


Powe, Poe are your NT's of the future, just play them now and see what happens.

themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 06:21 PM
Your prediction is completely unfounded. McCluster's will be going into his 3rd season, and he will have switched positions 3 different times. This isn't like drafting Dante Hall as a RB and then realizing, "Oh... he's much better as a receiver/returner." Nobody ****ing knows what McCluster's use is to this offense, except to do the shit that Jamaal Charles does, only not nearly as good.

Then you throw out that the Chiefs are ignoring Breaston. Umm... WHAT? With the worst offense this team has seen in years, the dude caught 60+ balls, and that was as a #2 receiver. Why the hell would they ignore him? Why would CASSEL ignore him? He's never had a history at all of ignoring him. Where the hell is this Breaston shit coming from?

If it's a hunch you have, then I also have a hunch. I have a hunch that Ricky Stanzi will be our opening day starter, and will win 10 consecutive Super Bowls for the Chiefs. And McCluster will not be involved in any of those 10 championships. And as far as I'm concerned, both hunches are equally valid contributions to the greater football discussion in that they're not the LEAST bit valid.

I never said it was founded. I just said I think it will happen based on them hyping McCluster and Daboll talking about designing plays with him in mind.

That actually plays into my reasoning. He was a #2 receiver and still had just 61 catches, and this was not on a team that spread the ball around to a lot of different receivers. McCluster was not far behind him, despite being primarily used as a RB (which is changing). Baldwin wasn't a factor much. The TEs will likely get more throws, as will the RBs. Couple the new coordinator, and our shitty QB, I think we'll see a big drop off in targets for Breaston. Yeah 20 was too low (hopefully), but I think McCluster will get more throws than Breaston. I also think that is wrong. I think Breaston and probably Baldwin should get a good 70-100 or so throws each, with Bowe getting probably 120-140. Then spread the remaining 200 or so between the TEs, RBs, and whomever else.

Ok. Sounds good to me. Trust me, I'd like your hunch far more than mine. If I was an expert I wouldn't be on a message board with a bunch of other people just posting opinions. So were you one of the "experts" that swore Tamba Hali was a bust and would never transition to a 3-4 that I see people still referencing like some petty grudge bullshit? You guys really need to lighten up on here. Then again, I feel your pain, being a Chiefs fan makes you vitriolic.

Mr. Laz
06-14-2012, 06:24 PM
3 tightends imo

Moeaki,Boss,????

Maneri as a OL extension has the inside track
Biere
O'connell (i think this experiment is probably over because he just can't stay healthy)

O.city
06-14-2012, 06:25 PM
At this point, the Chiefs roster has too many players that are just more effective at doing what they do than DMC.


Wylie is a wr with the same skillset, not a RB drafted to become a slot wr.


Gray is a better rb.


I don't see where DMC really fits. He might get 2 or 3 touches per game. Might. Hell he probably shouldn't get that.

O.city
06-14-2012, 06:26 PM
3 tightends imo

Moeaki,Boss,????

Maneri as a OL extension has the inside track
Biere
O'connell (i think this experiment is probably over because he just can't stay healthy)

I think they had the idea that Rucker could possibly evolve into that pure stand up wr, that acts as a TE.


But with him going down, who knows. And that was gonna be a shot in the dark anyway.

themanwithnoname
06-14-2012, 06:39 PM
On Powe/Toribio:

Toribio entered the league in 2008. He did nothing but fart around on a practice squad with Green Bay until he hooked up with Kansas City where he was activated for 5 games in 2010. In 2011 Powe was drafted and spent his entire season on the active roster, being activated for one game. He occupied that roster spot OVER Toribio. For the entire year. Where was Toribio in all of this? You guessed it. The ****ing practice squad.

I'm not saying Powe is going to be a great player, but he was a goddamned rookie last year. The story on him is still up in the air. The only thing we've heard from mini-camp is that he showed up in pretty damn good shape. And Nick Wright had ONE tweet pointing out a flaw in Powe's technique. And this is without pads for a ****ing nose tackle.

In other words, Jerrell Powe and Anthony Toribio are not even CLOSE in comparison. Jerrell Powe still has THREE seasons to go in the NFL if he wants to be as terrible as Toribio is. When the Chiefs need a 3rd NT this year, you can bet your ass that they'll keep Powe over Toribio.

At this time next year if there's no progress, THEN we can stick a fork in Powe. Until then, Powe still has life. Toribio does not.

Again, I'm not debating the quality of these players. I could very well be mistaken, but Toribio was getting first team reps this week. As far as I know, Powe is not. I would greatly prefer Powe from what I've seen, but he has not been given much of a chance, and last year Crennel talked like he has a long way to go before they consider him much of a factor.

McCluster as the 3rd wr? Nope.


Breaston was brought in to be the slot/other outside guy. In todays NFL you need 3 or 4 good wr's.

Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Wylie, then maybe McCluster.

Not sure what DMC has shown some of you that makes you think he can beat out Wylie or FFS Breaston, who was pretty good last year.


Powe, Poe are your NT's of the future, just play them now and see what happens.

Go back and actually read. Damn, no wonder you guys run around just arguing about shit you think people said 3 years ago, you can't even be bothered to read people's posts.

The McCluster thing is definitely the most retarded thing I've read around here since "He will be the #2 RB," a KC Tardtoo original.

We're fixing to run a run-first offense. Just how often do you idiots think we're gonna be in 4 wide?

More importantly, how often do you think they're gonna take Moeaki off the field for a fourth wide receiver, who so far has sucked as a WR?

Use your ****ing brains.

That's one of my points for why Breaston is going to get screwed over. We're going to pass less, and we've got two guys that are almost certainly going to be targeted much more than he is. Then we have another guy that was fairly close (25% less on about 40% less targets) to Breaston in receptions despite being primarily used as a running back, that the new OC has said they're drawing up plays with him in mind, and is now moved to receiver. Then we have improved TEs, and also RBs. Someone is going to end up with a lot less throws compared to last year. I'm going to guess there's a good chance it could be the guy the fired former head coach brought in. The guy who is mentioned much less than all 3 of the receivers that I think will be ahead of him in the number of throws they get.

In no way am I saying that McCluster will deservedly be the #3 receiver over Breaston, I'm just saying I think that is how the number of throws they get will likely go.

Hell I'm even using your logic of whatever is one of the dumbest things for our GM and his coaches to do, they will do. But of course you're somehow construing that as me saying that McCluster is so ****ing awesome that he should get to be the #2 receiver.

Count Alex's Wins
06-14-2012, 06:42 PM
You are basically saying you think Daboll is one of the dumbest OCs alive.

I can see that.

Discuss Thrower
06-14-2012, 06:44 PM
Nope still 53, just now you can have 46 active players on sunday now.

Still a dumbass rule. I wonder if it was even debated during the lockout.

Okie_Apparition
06-14-2012, 07:20 PM
Posted on Thu, Jun. 14, 2012 01:26 PM

Final Chiefs minicamp update: Maneri stands out at TE
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Steve Maneri

Final Chiefs minicamp update: Maneri stands out at Rookie camp observations Some notes from today's Chiefs practice, their final practice until training camp begins next month in St. Joseph:

1. Because Tony Moeaki is still rehabbing from knee surgery and Jake O'Connell and Martin Rucker are out with injuries, the Chiefs have only three available tight ends. So they've had to give more work to Steve Maneri, a converted offensive lineman, and Maneri has made the most of his chance. Maneri has proven he's more than just a blocker and, since he's 6-7 and 280 pounds, could be of help as a receiver in the end zone. He went over a defensive back, Jean Fanor, to make a great catch for a touchdown today. If Moeaki and Boss are healthy, Maneri might not get much playing time but don't be surprised if he makes the roster as an extra tight end.

2. The final practice was the 13th of the off-season for the Chiefs. Here's Romeo Crennel's assessment: “I feel like we made progress during the off-season. I’m encouraged by the installation of the offense, the installation of special teams. Defensively, we looked at a couple of things we don’t normally do, so we got good exposure there. I saw some players improve as we’ve gone through this. Now we’re going to put on the pads and we’ll see what they really can do. It won’t be long (until) we’re at training camp and it’s all the way live and it’s real.’’

3. The Chiefs are maintaining a locker for former center Casey Wiegmann, who is retiring. Wiegmann left behind a couple pairs of shoes and in the locker hangs his practice jersey and a pair of football pants. But other than that and some neatly-stacked towels, the locker is sparse. The unsigned Dwayne Bowe also has a locker, but his has the look of someone intending to use it. Bowe's locker also contains a helmet, shoulder pads, and numerous pairs of shoes.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/14/3658301/maneri-shines-te.html#storylink=cpy Tribal loves gopher fries

milkman
06-14-2012, 09:37 PM
Again, I'm not debating the quality of these players. I could very well be mistaken, but Toribio was getting first team reps this week. As far as I know, Powe is not. I would greatly prefer Powe from what I've seen, but he has not been given much of a chance, and last year Crennel talked like he has a long way to go before they consider him much of a factor.



Go back and actually read. Damn, no wonder you guys run around just arguing about shit you think people said 3 years ago, you can't even be bothered to read people's posts.



That's one of my points for why Breaston is going to get screwed over. We're going to pass less, and we've got two guys that are almost certainly going to be targeted much more than he is. Then we have another guy that was fairly close (25% less on about 40% less targets) to Breaston in receptions despite being primarily used as a running back, that the new OC has said they're drawing up plays with him in mind, and is now moved to receiver. Then we have improved TEs, and also RBs. Someone is going to end up with a lot less throws compared to last year. I'm going to guess there's a good chance it could be the guy the fired former head coach brought in. The guy who is mentioned much less than all 3 of the receivers that I think will be ahead of him in the number of throws they get.

In no way am I saying that McCluster will deservedly be the #3 receiver over Breaston, I'm just saying I think that is how the number of throws they get will likely go.

Hell I'm even using your logic of whatever is one of the dumbest things for our GM and his coaches to do, they will do. But of course you're somehow construing that as me saying that McCluster is so ****ing awesome that he should get to be the #2 receiver.

First, in your previous posts, you act as though McCluster being used at RB last year was some sort of surprise that evolved during the season.

If I am reading that correctly, then you should know, he was moved back to RB as soon as teams reported to camps.

Second, as the RB, he was targeted so much last year because Cassel is the king of the checkdown, and Palko was the prince.

Now that he is moved back to the receiver position, he will have to get off the LOS to get into his route before he can be targeted.

That just won't happen.

He's being hyped right now because physical contact is not allowed in these practices.

Once he is asked to get off the bump, he simply won't be able to.

SNR
06-14-2012, 09:41 PM
Again, I'm not debating the quality of these players. I could very well be mistaken, but Toribio was getting first team reps this week. As far as I know, Powe is not. I would greatly prefer Powe from what I've seen, but he has not been given much of a chance, and last year Crennel talked like he has a long way to go before they consider him much of a factor.

Toribio took 1st team reps in practice this week because it was his turn. That's why. Gordon had a shot. Poe had a shot. Powe had a shot. Now Toribio has his.

Chiefnj2
06-15-2012, 07:12 AM
Posted on Thu, Jun. 14, 2012 01:26 PM

Final Chiefs minicamp update: Maneri stands out at TE
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Steve Maneri

Final Chiefs minicamp update: Maneri stands out at Rookie camp observations Some notes from today's Chiefs practice, their final practice until training camp begins next month in St. Joseph:

1. Because Tony Moeaki is still rehabbing from knee surgery and Jake O'Connell and Martin Rucker are out with injuries, the Chiefs have only three available tight ends. So they've had to give more work to Steve Maneri, a converted offensive lineman, and Maneri has made the most of his chance. Maneri has proven he's more than just a blocker and, since he's 6-7 and 280 pounds, could be of help as a receiver in the end zone. He went over a defensive back, Jean Fanor, to make a great catch for a touchdown today. If Moeaki and Boss are healthy, Maneri might not get much playing time but don't be surprised if he makes the roster as an extra tight end.

2. The final practice was the 13th of the off-season for the Chiefs. Here's Romeo Crennel's assessment: I feel like we made progress during the off-season. Im encouraged by the installation of the offense, the installation of special teams. Defensively, we looked at a couple of things we dont normally do, so we got good exposure there. I saw some players improve as weve gone through this. Now were going to put on the pads and well see what they really can do. It wont be long (until) were at training camp and its all the way live and its real.

3. The Chiefs are maintaining a locker for former center Casey Wiegmann, who is retiring. Wiegmann left behind a couple pairs of shoes and in the locker hangs his practice jersey and a pair of football pants. But other than that and some neatly-stacked towels, the locker is sparse. The unsigned Dwayne Bowe also has a locker, but his has the look of someone intending to use it. Bowe's locker also contains a helmet, shoulder pads, and numerous pairs of shoes.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/14/3658301/maneri-shines-te.html#storylink=cpy Tribal loves gopher fries

2 of his final 3 camp observations are about lockers? Lockers? I hope St. Joe's has more inanimate objects for Teicher to breakdown so he can give us his outstanding analysis.

bevischief
06-15-2012, 08:08 AM
My 53 man roster is this.

QB: (3) Cassel, , Stanzi, Quinn
RB: (3) Charles, Hillis, Gray
FB (1) Bannon
WR: (6) Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, McCluster, Wylie, Copper
TE: (2) Moeaki, Boss
OL: (9) Albert, Lilja, Hudson, Asamoah, Winston, Stephenson, Allen, Harris, Mims
Special Teams: (3) Colquitt, Gafford, Succop

DL: (7) Jackson, Poe, Dorsey, Bailey, Powe, Pitoitua, Gordon
LB: (8) Hali, Johnson, Belcher, Houston, Studebaker, Siler, Sheffield, Miller
DB: (10) Berry, Flowers, Routt, Lewis, Arenas, Brown, Elam, Daniels, Menzie, McCarthy


I got 1 spot left so fill it in

TE.