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Gary
06-16-2012, 04:20 PM
Preface: I'm not fishing here to start a debate. I genuinely want to know.

What are the top 5 things Obama has done during his presidency that you disagree with/loath/detest?

Bewbies
06-16-2012, 04:32 PM
I'm pissed the oceans are still at the same level.

Gary
06-16-2012, 04:38 PM
I'm pissed the oceans are still at the same level.

We could throw Poe and Powe in the Atlantic for you. They'd be good for at least an inch of rise.

mikey23545
06-16-2012, 04:42 PM
Before I clicked on the thread I thought you were talking about Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Che, and Alinsky.

Chiefshrink
06-16-2012, 04:46 PM
Before I clicked on the thread I thought you were talking about Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Che, and Alinsky.


ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Thig Lyfe
06-16-2012, 04:49 PM
Before I clicked on the thread I thought you were talking about Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Che, and Alinsky.

NAILED IT!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL

Bewbies
06-16-2012, 04:50 PM
We could throw Poe and Powe in the Atlantic for you. They'd be good for at least an inch of rise.

That's doesn't fix it. Obama said when he was elected the oceans would stop their rise and receed. Damn it, I believed him!

chiefzilla1501
06-16-2012, 04:58 PM
Preface: I'm not fishing here to start a debate. I genuinely want to know.

What are the top 5 things Obama has done during his presidency that you disagree with/loath/detest?

1. Didn't pass a budget with a liberal house, then when the republicans took over, began a game of belittling the opposition instead of working with them. Then claims that the republicans are getting in the way.

2. Is abusing his Presidential powers not in terms of tough economic reform, but to use federal powers to create social initiatives based on careful political calculation. That includes saying directly that he was holding off on certain foreign policy directives until after elected. That may very well include exploiting confidential information for political gain.

3. He is completely out of touch with how the private sector works because he has never held a job there, and it shows. He believes small business tax credits are incentivizing business, even if he's in favor of regulations and laws that cripple and handcuff small businesses and raise their costs.

4. This isn't his fault, but I reject the bulletproof reputation he has. He's probably golfed more times than Bush. There are rumors that he and his family use Presidential planes like their own personal travel toy. And big gaffes typically fizzle out a few hours later. Would be a little more understandable if supposed unbiased media didn't act very differently when a conservative does the same thing.

5. I despise what his party stands for at this point in time. I despise his premise that our economic problems are because we don't have enough public sector workers, and that private sector is fine. I despise the war he's created between the public and private sector, forgetting that a big chunk of private sector employees are middle class and within the 99% as well.

Gary
06-16-2012, 05:02 PM
1. Didn't pass a budget with a liberal house, then when the republicans took over, began a game of belittling the opposition instead of working with them. Then claims that the republicans are getting in the way.

2. Is abusing his Presidential powers not in terms of tough economic reform, but to use federal powers to create social initiatives based on careful political calculation. That includes saying directly that he was holding off on certain foreign policy directives until after elected. That may very well include exploiting confidential information for political gain.

3. He is completely out of touch with how the private sector works because he has never held a job there, and it shows. He believes small business tax credits are incentivizing business, even if he's in favor of regulations and laws that cripple and handcuff small businesses and raise their costs.

4. This isn't his fault, but I reject the bulletproof reputation he has. He's probably golfed more times than Bush. There are rumors that he and his family use Presidential planes like their own personal travel toy. And big gaffes typically fizzle out a few hours later. Would be a little more understandable if supposed unbiased media didn't act very differently when a conservative does the same thing.

5. I despise what his party stands for at this point in time. I despise his premise that our economic problems are because we don't have enough public sector workers, and that private sector is fine. I despise the war he's created between the public and private sector, forgetting that a big chunk of private sector employees are middle class and within the 99% as well.

Thank you sir.

tredadda
06-16-2012, 05:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

Did he ever end up paying for her gas and mortgage?

patteeu
06-16-2012, 07:10 PM
Wow, I can't top chiefzilla's post, but I'll list a few things that could be in my top 5 in no particular order:

* He appointed 2 SCOTUS justices who don't believe in the same constitution I do.

* He has been incredibly divisive. His conscious efforts to pit different groups (race, gender, and especially socio-economic groups) against one another are despicable.

* He is an incredibly ineffective leader. He let Pelosi and Reid run the show when democrats held the Congress and now I'm not sure anyone is in charge (perhaps his campaign chairman :shrug: ).

* His foreign policy approach, while superficially Bushian in it's hawkishness, seems rudderless and incoherent. I have some hope that his underlings in the military and intel communities are making decent decisions and policy choices, but the overarching strategy doesn't seem to be there. Going hard after al Qaeda leadership is one bright spot, but all too many of his other decisions are lamentable. From his one-sided arms control deal with the Russians to his abandonment of East European allies to his practice of telling our enemies that we are "fighting to win" until a date certain when we will withdraw to his politically motivated security leaks to his strangely quick withdrawals of support from our Arab allies contrasted with the kid glove treatment of our traditional Arab/Persian adversaries and on and on.

* His constant excuse making and refusal to take a stand with a plan when it comes to the pressing economic issues of the day. His strategy seems to be to keep his fingerprints off of everything hoping that the normal business cycle will eventually bring the economy back at which point he can jump in front of the cameras and claim credit despite spending most of his time standing on the sidelines.

mlyonsd
06-16-2012, 07:39 PM
1. Class warfare, instead of real ideas is his only shtick.

2. His energy policy is a disaster. Fucking disaster.

3. Has no problem using federal agencies to implement changes he wants that go against public sentiment and congress.

4. Never admits he made a mistake and always blames someone else when the going gets tough.

5. Isn't willing to tell the country the truth when it comes to our debt and the nightmare we're really in.

Gary
06-16-2012, 10:17 PM
I'm surprised no one had healthcare reform in their top 5...yet.

Bewbies
06-16-2012, 11:05 PM
I'm surprised no one had healthcare reform in their top 5...yet.

Probably Bush's fault.

Gary
06-16-2012, 11:18 PM
Probably Bush's fault.

Well he didn't pay for it, so you might be on to something.

Reaper16
06-16-2012, 11:22 PM
You "class warfare" people crack me up. Pointing out how the politics that y'all support causes deep class divides is not warfare. Just like pointing out that someone is punching you doesn't mean you're assaulting anyone.

Anyway:

1.) Campaigning on transparency and limiting the power of lobbyism, only to break those promises. This manifests itself in...

2.) Obama being in bed with Monsanto, hiring ex-Monsanto guys to head up nearly all of the important federal posts concerning food.

3.) Making healthcare reform a sweepstakes for the same greedy insurance companies that reform was meant to counteract in the first place.

4.) Continuing Bush's fiscal vomiting.

5.) Continuing Bush's abuse of power when it comes to things like drone kills, rendition, etc.

mlyonsd
06-17-2012, 08:57 AM
You "class warfare" people crack me up. Pointing out how the politics that y'all support causes deep class divides is not warfare. Just like pointing out that someone is punching you doesn't mean you're assaulting anyone.


Well if you don't like "class warfare" I'll change it to "Dividing the country for political gain" when discussing it with you.

Reaper16
06-17-2012, 02:04 PM
Well if you don't like "class warfare" I'll change it to "Dividing the country for political gain" when discussing it with you.

That is LITERALLY what GOP policies do. Pointing out the divide does not equal doing the dividing.

Husband routinely abuses wife.
Wife tells Husband that he needs to stop being abusive.
Husband accuses Wife of trying to break up the marriage.


Now, I do think that the Democrats don't actually care about resolving the divide. They are just fine with keeping the divide in place, because if they pretend to be against it then they can win votes. So I'm in agreement in a way that Obama administration plays politics with the situation. I'm more just speaking against people who think that these actions are dividing the country instead of working in lockstep with GOP policy to create and further the divide.

La literatura
06-17-2012, 03:10 PM
I wish the stimulus would have followed Romer's proposal, but I think the blame in that lies more in Sumner's caution and control than Obama's decision-making.

mlyonsd
06-17-2012, 03:39 PM
That is LITERALLY what GOP policies do. Pointing out the divide does not equal doing the dividing.
The Obama administration doesn't just point out a percieved divide. Instead of working with republicans to fix the economy it is basically the only thing they are running on. You and I both know raising taxes on only those that make more than $250k or $1m won't fix anything.

The term "fair share" makes me puke the way it is being defined by the democrats. Even if a taxpayer is in the 30%+ percentile the idea they are not paying their "fair share" when half the country pays no income tax is, IMO, a morally corrupt way to buy votes. That isn't leading.

But to me, neither side is being honest with the public when it comes to the disaster we're heading for. IMO getting rid of all the Bush and payroll tax cuts is necessary since we're probably heading for another recession anyway. It's time for our leaders to come out and just tell the truth. Suck it up people.

vailpass
06-18-2012, 02:50 PM
I'd like to see a list of what people consider obama's Top 5 positive achievements during his first term.

cosmo20002
06-18-2012, 03:01 PM
What are the top 5 things Obama has done during his presidency that you disagree with/loath/detest?

1. Wants to make U.S. a socialist country by raising the top tax rate 3%, for the wealthiest 2%, like it was 10 years ago.
2. Hasn't started any wars against non-threatening countries
3. Killed Osama when he knew the Rs really wanted to do that
4. Black
5. Is really only 1/2 Black

Cave Johnson
06-18-2012, 03:12 PM
I'd like to see a list of what people consider obama's Top 5 positive achievements during his first term.

1) Killing OBL and depleting Al Qaeda's leadership
2) GM/Chrysler
3) Presided over solid growth/rebound in private employment (the current unemployment number is dragged down by slashed public payrolls)
4) Parts of the healthcare bill
5) Free trade agreements with South Korea, etc.

patteeu
06-18-2012, 03:21 PM
1) Killing OBL and depleting Al Qaeda's leadership
2) GM/Chrysler
3) Presided over solid growth/rebound in private employment (the current unemployment number is dragged down by slashed public payrolls)
4) Parts of the healthcare bill
5) Free trade agreements with South Korea, etc.

He said 5 not 1.5.

vailpass
06-18-2012, 03:29 PM
1) Killing OBL and depleting Al Qaeda's leadership
2) GM/Chrysler
3) Presided over solid growth/rebound in private employment (the current unemployment number is dragged down by slashed public payrolls)
4) Parts of the healthcare bill
5) Free trade agreements with South Korea, etc.

Thanks for your truthful answer. Dubious, arguable, but at least you could choke something out.