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InChiefsHell
06-21-2012, 02:30 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/denver-broncos-heavy-favorites-afc-west-fans-191600176--nfl.html


Dear Lord, this wench is a moron!

There's roughly 10 weeks until the 2012 NFL season starts, and Denver Broncos fans' excitement is growing daily. With continued positive reports coming out of Broncos headquarters in regards to Peyton Manning's recovery, the upcoming season looks very promising. With an improving defense, and the switch to a high-octane offense behind a future Hall of Fame quarterback, the Broncos should dominate their AFC West division.

While I think it's possible that the first half of the schedule could yield a losing record for the Broncos (with tough opponents like the Pittsburgh Steelers, New England Patriots, Atlanta Falcons, Houston Texans, and the New Orleans Saints), the second half of the season is where the Broncos can really make a charge to the top of the standings. A large part of that is due to the fact that they will have four of their six divisional games in the second half of the season.

It's hard to identify for sure who will be their most formidable divisional opponent. With Phillip Rivers as their quarterback, the most likely choice would be the San Diego Chargers. With head coach Norv Turner and general manager A.J. Smith narrowly avoiding being fired at the end of last season, the Chargers will face extra pressure to get the job done in 2012. To me, their schedule looks a little more difficult than the one the Broncos face. While they are playing a very similar schedule to the Broncos, they have to contend with playing away against the Steelers and the New York Jets in the final month of the season. Even if the Chargers take an early divisional lead, they will have a tough time holding onto it in December.

It's a toss-up as to what kind of season the Kansas City Chiefs and the Oakland Raiders will have. Both teams will have new head coaches in 2012 and new strategies. The Raiders made a bold move in acquiring quarterback Carson Palmer in 2011 and after a full off-season in the Raiders organization should be ready to be the best quarterback the team has seen since Rich Gannon. If (and this is a big "if") Palmer stays healthy, I look to see the Raiders show significant improvement this season. However, challenging for a divisional title would seem to be far from a reasonable goal.

Much like the Radiers, the Chiefs' fortunes hinge largely upon whether quarterback Matt Cassel can finally live up to that huge contract he signed three years ago. The Chiefs have drafted a large amount of high-quality talent over the past several years, but have yet to have that talent live up to its potential. A winning record would be a big improvement for this team.

Broncos fans will need some patience in September and October, but I think that the Broncos will prevail in the AFC West in the end.

Julie is a featured NFL contributor for the Yahoo Contributor Network. Having followed the NFL her entire life, she became a fan of the Broncos after moving to Denver in 2001.

What a silly silly Donkey fan...

mr. tegu
06-21-2012, 02:48 PM
It is so funny how last year before the season started most "experts" were saying we would have a good season if we won 7 games. Well we won 7 games sans Charles, Berry, Moeaki, and Cassel for half the season (hey he is better than Palko). A winning record is and should be expected not just a "big improvement."

notorious
06-21-2012, 02:50 PM
Don't listen to idiots.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 03:00 PM
We have had one winning record in the last five years.

And that was against a shit schedule.

Understand these things, and understand why we are given no respect that we have not earned.

saphojunkie
06-21-2012, 03:02 PM
We have had one winning record in the last five years.

And that was against a shit schedule.

Understand these things, and understand why we are given no respect that we have not earned.

This means absolutely nothing. It means less than nothing, because it's also misleading.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 03:02 PM
This means absolutely nothing. It means less than nothing, because it's also misleading.

Facts are facts.

PGM
06-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Magicmo2724

whoman69
06-21-2012, 03:39 PM
This means absolutely nothing. It means less than nothing, because it's also misleading.

Why is it misleading?

SNR
06-21-2012, 03:46 PM
If only our drafted talent could play as well as Robert Ayers or Rahim Moore. Then we'd be a championship team.

The Chiefs don't deserve any respect, but that doesn't mean you can be a retard and say, "Duhr Cassel sucks therefore the rest of the team sucks"

Flachief58
06-21-2012, 03:48 PM
I find it funny how she said "if ( and this is a big "if") Palmer can stay healthy" and yet does'nt mention the foreheads broke neck :rolleyes:

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 03:49 PM
if Manning's healthy, the Broncos own the division.
if not, then its probably gonna be the Chargers taking the West.

ChiefsCountry
06-21-2012, 03:49 PM
Well a chick wrote it first of all and she is Denver fan second.

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:02 PM
The Chiefs don't deserve any respect, but that doesn't mean you can be a retard and say, "Duhr Cassel sucks therefore the rest of the team sucks"
i'm not saying the whole team sucks because Matt sucks but i am saying
the Chiefs have a lot of talent except for the most important player on offense.

and it's gonna hurt this team Bigtime.

Flachief58
06-21-2012, 04:02 PM
if Manning's healthy, the Broncos own the division.
if not, then its probably gonna be the Chargers taking the West.


On paper, right now I would agree that the donks are the favorite, but there are a lot of variables such as: Peytons broke neck, the fact that he missed all of last season and of course his age (old folks don't heal well). Lets just wait and see how he does in real games before we hand em the crown.

As for the dolts, I expect them to have another 8-8 9-7 season

SNR
06-21-2012, 04:04 PM
i'm not saying the whole team sucks because Matt sucks but i am saying
the Chiefs have a lot of talent except for the most important player on offense.

and it's gonna hurt this team Bigtime.Agreed 100%

BCD
06-21-2012, 04:06 PM
if Manning's healthy, the Broncos own the division.
if not, then its probably gonna be the Chargers taking the West.

The Chargers?

Why?

They are picked pretty much every season and they continue to shit on the field.

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:07 PM
The Chargers?

Why?

They are picked pretty much every season and they continue to shit on the field.

i'm rolling with the two teams that have good/great QB.s.

hopefully Pioli will follow the lead next season.

BCD
06-21-2012, 04:09 PM
i'm rolling with the two teams that have good/great QB.s.

hopefully Pioli will follow the lead next season.

I would agree, but Rivers was an abortion last season.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 04:10 PM
I would agree, but Rivers was an abortion last season.

A QB who threw for 4600 yards and 27 TD was an abortion.

Interesting take from a fucking Chiefs fan.

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:14 PM
I would agree, but Rivers was an abortion last season.

Rivers played poorly last year yes, but he can play lights out as well.

i dont think he'll play at all in 2012 like we saw last season.

Fruit Ninja
06-21-2012, 04:15 PM
This means absolutely nothing. It means less than nothing, because it's also misleading.

We've been consistently bad for a while. How is it misleading. The only shot we've had in the last 12 years do do damage was 03. Other then that nothing. Why would anyone pick the chiefs especially when our Qb is amongst the bottom half of all starting Qbs.

Our Qb does nothing Good and very few things average.

TEX
06-21-2012, 04:19 PM
We've been consistently bad for a while. How is it misleading. The only shot we've had in the last 12 years do do damage was 03. Other then that nothing. Why would anyone pick the chiefs especially when our Qb is amongst the bottom half of all starting Qbs.

Our Qb does nothing Good and very few things average.

This.
Top to bottom the Chiefs probably have the best roster in the division EXCEPT QB, where it counts most. That is why the Broncos are the favored to win the division. Manning will raise the level of play for them, Cassel will lower it for KC. I'm betting the Chargers come in 2nd because they have the 2nd best Qb in the division. Not much separates all these rosters. However, the QB position does. KC has a lot of talent, but not enough to overcome its deficiences at QB.

1. DONKS
2. BOLTS
3. CHIEFS
4. RAIDERS

2 & 3 could go either way.

mr. tegu
06-21-2012, 04:19 PM
i'm rolling with the two teams that have good/great QB.s.

hopefully Pioli will follow the lead next season.

With one being the same QB who lost the division to Tebow and Cassel the past two seasons...that's a bad bet bro.

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:22 PM
With one being the same QB who lost the division to Tebow and Cassel the past two seasons...that's a bad bet bro.

Manning and Rivers are capable of putting up numbers that would put them in the chase for MVP...


and Cassel cant even put his hat on.

mr. tegu
06-21-2012, 04:26 PM
Manning and Rivers are capable of putting up numbers that would put them in the chase for MVP...


and Cassel cant even put his hat on.

We aren't talking about numbers. We are talking about the division. Manning in this situation has yet to play out but Rivers has proved he is a poor enough leader and under pressure player that he can lose a division to Cassel and Tebow in consecutive years.

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:30 PM
We aren't talking about numbers. We are talking about the division. Manning in this situation has yet to play out but Rivers has proved he is a poor enough leader and under pressure player that he can lose a division to Cassel and Tebow in consecutive years.

and i'm saying the division will be won by one of these two QB's.

BCD
06-21-2012, 04:33 PM
A QB who threw for 4600 yards and 27 TD was an abortion.

Interesting take from a fucking Chiefs fan.

He also had 20 INTs. And was a choking bitch. He's the reason they only won 8.

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:36 PM
He also had 20 INTs. And was a choking bitch. He's the reason they only won 8.

yep a down year for Rivers i admit that but i doubt we see another season like that from Rivers.
(i would like to see 20 ints from Rivers in 2012 but very unlikely.)

Ace Gunner
06-21-2012, 04:39 PM
A QB who threw for 4600 yards and 27 TD was an abortion.

Interesting take from a ****ing Chiefs fan.

please be kind to Dave -- he's a moron.

mr. tegu
06-21-2012, 04:39 PM
and i'm saying the division will be won by one of these two QB's.

I get it that but to say if it's not Manning who wins to automatically go to Rivers as the winner is dismissing the fact that Rivers has proven he can fold up and lose to lousy QBs.

If this division is won solely based on the QB play of a team then it will be because of Manning. Rivers will not do this because he has proven he can't. All his prior division wins were because the other teams were so abysmal, not because of his greatness.

SNR
06-21-2012, 04:45 PM
San Diego could easily have won this division even with a healthy Peyton in Denver if they fired Norv.

Instead they're being talked about as the second banana to both Denver AND Kansas City.

I'm giving Romeo a chance this year, but if I even smell the faintest WHIFF of Norvesque failure on him, I'll demand he get fired.

SPATCH
06-21-2012, 04:45 PM
Clay's statement is misleading because this franchise has already turned a corner. We came out of nowhere to win the division two years ago.. last year we were decimated by injuries and still found a way to be in the division race up until the final week of the season.

NFL people who are in the know recognize that Pioli has gone about his business and assembled one best rosters in the league. Quarterback or not, the roster is legitimate. We're going to be highly competitive for a while whether the self-loathing fans like it or not.

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:46 PM
I get it that but to say if it's not Manning who wins to automatically go to Rivers as the winner is dismissing the fact that Rivers has proven he can fold up and lose to lousy QBs.

If this division is won solely based on the QB play of a team then it will be because of Manning. Rivers will not do this because he has proven he can't. All his prior division wins were because the other teams were so abysmal, not because of his greatness.

in the West we have:
Manning
Rivers
PalmerCassel

Manning has proved greatness and Rivers is the other QB in this division thats capable of greatness.

i'm just saying QB's are the most important players on offense that's needed for greatness from the team, Cassel and Palmer are excluded from the word "greatness".

Ace Gunner
06-21-2012, 04:50 PM
if Manning's healthy, the Broncos own the division.
if not, then its probably gonna be the Chargers taking the West.

Yep. The Chiefs will slide into 3rd place when all is done. I believe fans just expect Poe to be an all pro & Charles/Berry/Moeaki to just pick up where they all left off. The Chiefs just aren't that talented they can bounce back like that.

Peyton Manning owns this division. Now that he is part of it, he will put forth even greater effort to pummel the AFCW. Any fool believes he doesn't is not playing with a full deck.

Only thing KC has on Peyton is Romeo and without the right personnel, he isn't gonna be able to miff Mainning per usual. Makes it even harder when RC has to play Manning twice during the same season, too.

But, I didn't read the article - I don't follow women for sports/football news. That'd be lame.

vailpass
06-21-2012, 04:52 PM
Clay's statement is misleading because this franchise has already turned a corner. We came out of nowhere to win the division two years ago.. last year we were decimated by injuries and still found a way to be in the division race up until the final week of the season.

NFL people who are in the know recognize that Pioli has gone about his business and assembled one best rosters in the league. Quarterback or not, the roster is legitimate. We're going to be highly competitive for a while whether the self-loathing fans like it or not.

Next year is the year, amirite?

BoneKrusher
06-21-2012, 04:53 PM
But, I didn't read the article - I don't follow women for sports/football news. That'd be lame.

yeah, i didn't read the article either, i said the day Manning announced he was going to Denver, the division is his unless he's not healthy.

he'll make their WR's look like all pros.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 04:55 PM
last year we were decimated by injuries and still found a way to be in the division race up until the final week of the season.


We found five ways.

http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/1016/nfl_a_boller_mbl_600.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/12479.png&w=350&h=254

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/11540.png&w=350&h=254

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/12/Tim_Tebow_Broncos.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/1753.png&w=350&h=254

3rd&48ers
06-21-2012, 04:57 PM
Not making any bold predictions about my team but I am just not seeing one old washed up fragile QB taking the AFC West by storm... THEY had this dude once named Elway and he even had a losing record as a starter vs my beloved Raiders..

Don't drink the Koolaid, Denver is not built to protect Manning as the Colts were and he is one good pop from standing over there holding a clipboard for the next 2 years.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 04:58 PM
He also had 20 INTs. And was a choking bitch. He's the reason they only won 8.

Interesting.

The QB who was near the top of almost every statistical category was a liability, but not San Diego's 22nd ranked defense or 16th ranked running game.

Tuckdaddy
06-21-2012, 05:03 PM
We have had one winning record in the last five years.

And that was against a shit schedule.

Understand these things, and understand why we are given no respect that we have not earned.

I agree totally. With Matt at the helm why should we be feared to do anything but pull out a few wins. I think we can win the division if our ground game returns and we play tough defense but if this offense at any point has to fall on Matt then it's over.

mr. tegu
06-21-2012, 05:03 PM
Yep. The Chiefs will slide into 3rd place when all is done. I believe fans just expect Poe to be an all pro & Charles/Berry/Moeaki to just pick up where they all left off. The Chiefs just aren't that talented they can bounce back like that.

Just like you expect Manning to pick where he left off? With a new team?

And I still think people are underestimating how much Manning's players around him helped him out. Especially the offensive line being able to adjust at the line of scrimmage correctly every time Peyton changes the blocking scheme 5 seconds before the play clock expires. He will get hit significantly more based on that fact alone, then you add the fact that Indy's offensive line was just better in general.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 05:05 PM
We found five ways.

http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/1016/nfl_a_boller_mbl_600.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/12479.png&w=350&h=254

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/11540.png&w=350&h=254

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/12/Tim_Tebow_Broncos.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/1753.png&w=350&h=254

All of which are better than Palko.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 05:08 PM
Cassel or Orton started in 4 of those 5 wins.

Even if they didn't, those shitty QBs made our defense look better than it actually is.

SPATCH
06-21-2012, 05:10 PM
We found five ways.

http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/1016/nfl_a_boller_mbl_600.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/12479.png&w=350&h=254

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/11540.png&w=350&h=254

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/12/Tim_Tebow_Broncos.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/1753.png&w=350&h=254

Your point?

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/10719.png&w=350&h=254

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 05:11 PM
:facepalm:

Tyler Palko is not part of this equation.

BCD
06-21-2012, 05:18 PM
Interesting.

The QB who was near the top of almost every statistical category was a liability, but not San Diego's 22nd ranked defense or 16th ranked running game.

Rivers made several boneheaded passes/INTs last season.

This is fact. In this regard, he was a liability.

I don't wanna hear about a poor running game.

The Giants had the worst running games and Eli was clutch and won the SB.

Rivers was not clutch.

Besides, when is 27 TDs a big deal. Matt did it 2 yrs ago.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 05:18 PM
Cassel or Orton started in 4 of those 5 wins.

Even if they didn't, those shitty QBs made our defense look better than it actually is.

We only had 3 games where our qb was able to move the ball.

Are gonna try and play it off like that didn't impact defensive matrics as much as any other factor?

SPATCH
06-21-2012, 05:19 PM
:facepalm:

Tyler Palko is not part of this equation.

Are we forgetting about Palko's crowning achievement against Caleb Hanie?

BCD
06-21-2012, 05:21 PM
So, were the Chiefs the only team to play those QBs?

SNR
06-21-2012, 05:23 PM
Rivers made several boneheaded passes/INTs last season.

This is fact. In this regard, he was a liability.

I don't wanna hear about a poor running game.

The Giants had the worst running games and Eli was clutch and won the SB.

Rivers was not clutch.

Besides, when is 27 TDs a big deal. Matt did it 2 yrs ago.Matt threw 27 TDs by checking down like a retard and chucking wild goal line throws up to Bowe when things REALLY got tough.

Rivers threw 27 TDs by being an actual QB and accumulating 4600 yards of passing. How much is that? That's more yards in a season than Trent Green ever threw in a season. And that was in his "shitty" year.

Was 2011 a worse year for Rivers than 2010? Undoubtedly yes. Was it a shitty year? Please.

BCD
06-21-2012, 05:26 PM
Matt threw 27 TDs by checking down like a retard and chucking wild goal line throws up to Bowe when things REALLY got tough.

Rivers threw 27 TDs by being an actual QB and accumulating 4600 yards of passing. How much is that? That's more yards in a season than Trent Green ever threw in a season. And that was in his "shitty" year.

Was 2011 a worse year for Rivers than 2010? Undoubtedly yes. Was it a shitty year? Please.

He threw 20 INTs which directly resulted in losses.

4600 yards doesnt mean shit if you're chucking it to the other team half the time and only winning 8 games.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 05:27 PM
With a qb like Rivers, KC could probably win 14 games next year and have a shot at going undefeated.

vailpass
06-21-2012, 05:28 PM
With a qb like Rivers, KC could probably win 14 games next year and have a shot at going undefeated.

:spock:

BCD
06-21-2012, 05:29 PM
Also, I wasnt comparing Rivers to Cassel, or 2011 to 2010.

This has to do with people picking SD to win it every season and then Rivers and Co. shitting themselves.

BCD
06-21-2012, 05:30 PM
With a qb like Rivers, KC could probably win 14 games next year and have a shot at going undefeated.

Doubtful.

SPATCH
06-21-2012, 05:32 PM
:spock:

You paying attention, bro?

Point out one team that has a better set of O-line/TEs/WRs/RBs than the Chiefs. Did you watch the defense during the last weeks of the season? Wake up, dude.

OnTheWarpath58
06-21-2012, 05:35 PM
Given two choices, who would you prefer as the QB of the Kansas City Chiefs?

A.) Philip Rivers

B.) Matt Cassel


If your answer is "A", take those stats and shove them up your ass - they don't matter.

Denver and SD should be favorites for the division - they have the best QB's. Just like NE being the favorite in the AFCE, Green Bay and Detroit being the favorites in the NFCN, and so on.

Ace Gunner
06-21-2012, 05:41 PM
Just like you expect Manning to pick where he left off? With a new team?

And I still think people are underestimating how much Manning's players around him helped him out. Especially the offensive line being able to adjust at the line of scrimmage correctly every time Peyton changes the blocking scheme 5 seconds before the play clock expires. He will get hit significantly more based on that fact alone, then you add the fact that Indy's offensive line was just better in general.

Peyton Manning is HOF and one of the best QB's in the modern era of pro football. Those other guys, though Jamaal is certainly a similar caliber football player as Manning, he and the others are not protected by modern rules that essentially prolong the careers of QB's in today's game. So, no -- I don't think these players have the opp Manning has this season and that is because of the new rules or how they are now being enforced and taught to players in the NFL.

OnTheWarpath58
06-21-2012, 05:45 PM
Decided to read the article.

Someone might want to tell this broad that Pittsburgh and Atlanta aren't good teams, and that New Orleans is nothing to worry about without Sean Payton.

At least that's what CP told me.

BCD
06-21-2012, 05:48 PM
Decided to read the article.

Someone might want to tell this broad that Pittsburgh and Atlanta aren't good teams, and that New Orleans is nothing to worry about without Sean Payton.

At least that's what CP told me.

I think the Saints will be dogshit due to all that's happened.

Especially the D. Officials will be watching them closely.

OnTheWarpath58
06-21-2012, 05:50 PM
I think the Saints will be dogshit due to all that's happened.

Especially the D. Officials will be watching them closely.

The D wasn't that good even before all this.

But to think Drew Brees - with all those weapons - is just going to fall apart because Sean Payton isn't on the sideline?

Wishful thinking.

mlyonsd
06-21-2012, 05:53 PM
Yes bronco fans, you should win the AFC West. That's a given. Anything less can only be considered a failure.

If that happens don't fight the feelings to jump off of bridges and other tall stuff. John Elway expects it from you.

Ace Gunner
06-21-2012, 05:53 PM
Ya, look for the Saints and Drew Brees to light it up this year. I don't know how good the team will be, but that offense under Brees' command will be it's usual terror to defend.

mr. tegu
06-21-2012, 06:00 PM
Ya, look for the Saints and Drew Brees to light it up this year. I don't know how good the team will be, but that offense under Brees' command will be it's usual terror to defend.

You are assuming he signs and doesn't come to KC :)

Ace Gunner
06-21-2012, 06:03 PM
Hahahaha now that was funny

BCD
06-21-2012, 06:06 PM
The D wasn't that good even before all this.

But to think Drew Brees - with all those weapons - is just going to fall apart because Sean Payton isn't on the sideline?

Wishful thinking.

I said nothing about Sean. But him not being around could be a problem.

Molitoth
06-21-2012, 06:07 PM
This thread consists of too many homers.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 06:20 PM
We only had 3 games where our qb was able to move the ball.

Are gonna try and play it off like that didn't impact defensive matrics as much as any other factor?

Cassel played 9 games, Orton played 3.

There's something wrong with your statement.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 06:28 PM
Cassel played 9 games, Orton played 3.

There's something wrong with your statement.

There is nothing wrong with my statement.

Cassel was able to move the ball in one game and Orton did so in two.

The rest of the games, our offense was the 3nout champ and that gave extra possessions that our defense had to defend and that impacted our yardage difference and even moreso our points allowed.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 06:31 PM
I wonder if anyone has a breakdown of "total drives defended" or "average yards gained per possession"

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 06:35 PM
Cassel was able to move the ball in one game and Orton did so in two.


Our offense was fine against:

Minnesota
Indianapolis
Oakland
San Diego
Green Bay
Oakland

Anyway, I dunno what difference it makes.

We got 5 bogus wins because we faced UFL QB talent.

Discuss Thrower
06-21-2012, 06:39 PM
Our offense was fine against:

Oakland

Green Bay
Oakland

Anyway, I dunno what difference it makes.

We got 5 bogus wins because we faced UFL QB talent.

Wut?

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 06:42 PM
It was fine in both Oakland games. 300+ yards.

HighChief
06-21-2012, 06:43 PM
Am I in the minority who thinks matt cassel and this very good to great roster will win this division? Plus our easier SOS. I think we win 11 games which will win this division. Now winning in the postseason with matt is another story!

KC Tattoo
06-21-2012, 06:45 PM
What it comes down too is...

Broncos season success hinges on Peyton Manning from breaking his nick.



Chiefs season success hinges on Matt Cassel breaking his nick.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 06:45 PM
Plus our easier SOS.

The schedule is more difficult than it was last year. Period. End of story.

Discuss Thrower
06-21-2012, 06:46 PM
It was fine in both Oakland games. 300+ yards.

You mean the first Oakland game where the one offensive TD was a) scored by a o-lineman and b) illegal or the second time around when the kick team got raped?

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 06:48 PM
You mean the first Oakland game where the one offensive TD was a) scored by a o-lineman and b) illegal or the second time around when the kick team got raped?

The offense moved the ball in both games.

To insinuate otherwise is erroneous.

HighChief
06-21-2012, 06:49 PM
San Diego could easily have won this division even with a healthy Peyton in Denver if they fired Norv.

Instead they're being talked about as the second banana to both Denver AND Kansas City.

I'm giving Romeo a chance this year, but if I even smell the faintest WHIFF of Norvesque failure on him, I'll demand he get fired.


I am calling BS! Why does everyone think that roster is still filled with talent like it was 8 years ago? They are a bad team with a good qb. Which will mean 7-9 to 9-7 for the what? 5th year in a row.

Discuss Thrower
06-21-2012, 06:49 PM
The offense moved the ball in both games.

To insinuate otherwise is erroneous.

HAY, DONDE ESTA PUNTOS?!

BossChief
06-21-2012, 06:50 PM
The schedule is more difficult than it was last year. Period. End of story.

Hindsight is always 50/50

Amirite?

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Hindsight is always 50/50

Amirite?

Facts are facts.

We are not facing 5 UFL QBs this year.

I am getting really tired of restating that fact.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 06:53 PM
Facts are facts.

We are not facing 5 UFL QBs this year.

I am getting really tired of restating that fact.

:facepalm:

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 06:54 PM
Present a reasoned, logical argument that shows our schedule this year is easier.

Or stuff your smiley up your ass.

whoman69
06-21-2012, 06:57 PM
Our offense was fine against:

Minnesota
Indianapolis
Oakland
San Diego
Green Bay
Oakland

Anyway, I dunno what difference it makes.

We got 5 bogus wins because we faced UFL QB talent.

You're being generous. The offense was lousy against Oakland the first game. Despite 6 turnovers, the offense scored 14 points. The 2nd Oakland game we moved the ball but couldn't score in the redzone. Turnovers killed us. So the offense playing well in only 25% of our games, or even using your figure 37.5%, is not a red flag. We had other games where it was a total abortion or we had empty yards.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 07:03 PM
All of those qbs played DUE TO INJURY.

To act like last years schedule (at this point last year) was easier than this years schedule is fools gold.

Most here thought, at this point of the year, winning 7 or 8 games last year would be a good year if we were at full strength.

This year, from what I've gathered, seems to have genuine expectations of 9 or 10 wins.

You know why that is?

Because the schedule is easier.

Or at least the perception of the schedule difficulty is.

For all we know, more qbs get injured this year.

HighChief
06-21-2012, 07:05 PM
The schedule is more difficult than it was last year. Period. End of story.

I am saying that it is a 4th place schedule compared to denver's 1st place one.

MoreLemonPledge
06-21-2012, 07:09 PM
This is why women shouldn't write about sports.

Okie_Apparition
06-21-2012, 07:19 PM
The big fish in the little bowl
will flop to the ground & dry out
~how much did you pay Hootie

BossChief
06-21-2012, 07:23 PM
The big fish in the little bowl
will flop to the ground & dry out
~how much did you pay Hootie

I can usually figure out what you're talking about.

You lost me on this one.

Okie_Apparition
06-21-2012, 07:26 PM
Manning will be the new Denver "stink"
dead fishy
~this part was private

BossChief
06-21-2012, 07:30 PM
You little riddle filled bastard.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-21-2012, 07:47 PM
IF (and that's one big fucking IF) Manning's healthy, they should be

SPATCH
06-21-2012, 08:07 PM
I'm serious... name a team that, minus the QB, has better personnel on offense.

..and, yes, I am aware that QB is the most important position on the team; I still want to know if another team has better offensive personnel than the Chiefs.

BCD
06-21-2012, 08:18 PM
I can usually figure out what you're talking about.

You lost me on this one.

I never know what he's talking about.

KCtotheSB
06-21-2012, 08:30 PM
It's going to hurt big time to watch this team excel, minus the most important position in the game....

ThaVirus
06-21-2012, 08:39 PM
I'm serious... name a team that, minus the QB, has better personnel on offense.

..and, yes, I am aware that QB is the most important position on the team; I still want to know if another team has better offensive personnel than the Chiefs.

QBs not included I'd consider taking the Giants, Eagles, Falcons and Texans.

QBs included I'd take just about any other offense in the league.

SPATCH
06-21-2012, 08:52 PM
QBs not included I'd consider taking the Giants, Eagles, Falcons and Texans.

QBs included I'd take just about any other offense in the league.


Giants: not nearly as good at RB or TE

Eagles: have WRs to rival Chiefs. Not as good on O-Line or at TE. Charles & Hillis have edge over McCoy & whoever

Falcons: not as good at WR, RB, TE, or O-Line

Texans: better RBs, not as deep at WR, not as good at TE (Daniels is just as injury prone as Moeaki if you're going to argue that), not as good across O-Line.

**Edit** I like the offensive talent in Dallas.. maybe Philadelphia. I still take KC, though.

Tombstone RJ
06-21-2012, 09:18 PM
If only our drafted talent could play as well as Robert Ayers or Rahim Moore. Then we'd be a championship team.

The Chiefs don't deserve any respect, but that doesn't mean you can be a retard and say, "Duhr Cassel sucks therefore the rest of the team sucks"

pretty sure the Broncos won the division last year and a playoff game, all with a QB who had a 47% competion percentage. Go figure.

BossChief
06-21-2012, 09:26 PM
I bet both KC and Denver start off slow but that the last game of the year will be for the division.

Stanzi and Brock are the quarterbacks by then.

Tombstone RJ
06-21-2012, 09:31 PM
I bet both KC and Denver start off slow but that the last game of the year will be for the division.

Stanzi and Brock are the quarterbacks by then.

who names their kid Brock anyway?

Tombstone RJ
06-21-2012, 09:32 PM
hey, that's it. Brock Osweilers new moniker: Kid Brock.

ThaVirus
06-21-2012, 09:36 PM
Giants: not nearly as good at RB or TE

Eagles: have WRs to rival Chiefs. Not as good on O-Line or at TE. Charles & Hillis have edge over McCoy & whoever

Falcons: not as good at WR, RB, TE, or O-Line

Texans: better RBs, not as deep at WR, not as good at TE (Daniels is just as injury prone as Moeaki if you're going to argue that), not as good across O-Line.

**Edit** I like the offensive talent in Dallas.. maybe Philadelphia. I still take KC, though.

I think you're being a bit of a homer. We are very talented, but so are other teams. We're also sporting a lot of question marks and potential. Not including health issues, who knows if Hillis and Baldwin will pan out? Not to mention Moeaki. He had a pretty good rookie season, but he's spent so much time off the field, we have no clue whether not he'll acclimate himself. Hell, even Hudson and Asamoah have only seen limited game time.

If everything went as well as it could, yes, I'd take the Chiefs over most other teams. But as of now, question marks and all, I'd still consider all the teams I mentioned and probably add Dallas, Atlanta, and maybe even Detroit.

Douche Baggins
06-21-2012, 11:48 PM
All of those qbs played DUE TO INJURY.

To act like last years schedule (at this point last year) was easier than this years schedule is fools gold.

That doesn't matter, though.

The facts:

1. We played an easy schedule last year.

2. Right now, barring an unforeseen rash of starting quarterback injuries to 1/3 of our schedule, we play a much tougher schedule.

Facts. Cannot be argued.

If you can sit here and tell me we'll play 1/3 of our schedule this year against complete shit QBs, I'll tell you we're winning 10 games.

midwest
06-22-2012, 12:58 AM
if this team can just get a good qb...

Chiefspants
06-22-2012, 01:53 AM
That doesn't matter, though.

The facts:

1. We played an easy schedule last year.

2. Right now, barring an unforeseen rash of starting quarterback injuries to 1/3 of our schedule, we play a much tougher schedule.

Facts. Cannot be argued.

If you can sit here and tell me we'll play 1/3 of our schedule this year against complete shit QBs, I'll tell you we're winning 10 games.

Your second point is not a fact, it is an assumption. Your second point assumes that every team on the Chiefs schedule is going to live up to their performance over the previous year.

Remember last year? Everyone, including you and I, were saying OH NOES, THE CHIEFS HAVE THE TOUFEST SCHEDULE IN THE NFL, AAAAHHH!!! And now, using your words, apparently the Chiefs played an "easy" schedule.

Assumptions. Can be argued.

Douche Baggins
06-22-2012, 10:35 AM
It is not an assumption.

Games against good teams with good quarterbacks are always difficult for our team led by Matt Cassel.

boogblaster
06-22-2012, 10:47 AM
our leak-link should be a little better . with our running game improved the Oline better and hopefully romeo has the D clicking .. we should contend .....

vailpass
06-22-2012, 11:02 AM
I'm serious... name a team that, minus the QB, has better personnel on offense.

..and, yes, I am aware that QB is the most important position on the team; I still want to know if another team has better offensive personnel than the Chiefs.

Easy there big shooter....

DBOSHO
06-22-2012, 11:27 AM
We wouldnt even need an elite quarterback to win a superbowl with this team.

If we had a jay cutler/ matt ryan/ matt shaub type we could win championships.

vailpass
06-22-2012, 12:05 PM
We wouldnt even need an elite quarterback to win a superbowl with this team.

If we had a jay cutler/ matt ryan/ matt shaub type we could win championships.

Definitely, minus the QB KC's roster reminds me alot of the 1995 49ers or the 2003 Patriots.

PGM
06-22-2012, 12:11 PM
Interesting.

The QB who was near the top of almost every statistical category was a liability, but not San Diego's 22nd ranked defense or 16th ranked running game.

Pretty numbers and he did help carry that team, but some costly turnovers at very bad times stand out in people's minds.

PGM
06-22-2012, 12:18 PM
:facepalm: Not this "tough schedule" bullshit again. Every year there is normally 5 or 6 new playoff teams from the year before. JFC this shit gets old.

Douche Baggins
06-22-2012, 01:42 PM
It's not bullshit.

We are the fucking Kansas City Chiefs.

Any game against a team with a good QB is a tough game for us.

This schedule is definitely difficult, barring a gift of injuries from the football gods.

whoman69
06-22-2012, 01:43 PM
It is not an assumption.

Games against good teams with good quarterbacks are always difficult for our team led by Matt Cassel.

No, games with teams who have good defenses are always difficult for gentle matt.

Douche Baggins
06-22-2012, 01:46 PM
No, games with teams who have good defenses are always difficult for gentle matt.

That too.

ThaVirus
06-22-2012, 01:53 PM
That too.

So you're saying Matt Cassel is the problem!?

whoman69
06-22-2012, 04:38 PM
So you're saying Matt Cassel is the problem!?

Uhm, yah.

Ace Gunner
06-22-2012, 04:46 PM
We wouldnt even need an elite quarterback to win a superbowl with this team.

If we had a jay cutler/ matt ryan/ matt shaub type we could win championships.

ya, I think those are pretty good QB's also. The other problem with the passing offense is at #1 WR also -- I know many Chiefs fans won't except the fact that Bowe has been as much a part of the problem as anyone, he had two impressive games during his five years in the NFL -- the Seattle game where he was getting wide open all game and then the Tennessee game at the end of that season, 2010. That's a problem for this team too. The OL has been horrible since 2007, but has improved a bit.

Really, all this offense has been since LJ douchbagger got canned is Jamaal Charles. Charles pitched left, Charles up the middle, Charles pitched right. Charles, Charles, Charles. Hell, he had 97 of the team's 161 total offense yards during the playoff game. The one where Dwayne Bowe had zero stats. Nothing. In a playoff game. That is bad for a 4th year #1 wideout. Unacceptable imo.

ChiefsCountry
06-22-2012, 04:51 PM
The one where Dwayne Bowe had zero stats. Nothing. In a playoff game. That is bad for a 4th year #1 wideout. Unacceptable imo.

You mean the game where dipshit Cassel didn't even try once to throw to Bowe, even when Bowe was wide open. But yeah keep blaming Bowe for that like the little douche you are.

BCD
06-22-2012, 04:53 PM
ya, I think those are pretty good QB's also. The other problem with the passing offense is at #1 WR also -- I know many Chiefs fans won't except the fact that Bowe has been as much a part of the problem as anyone, he had two impressive games during his five years in the NFL -- the Seattle game where he was getting wide open all game and then the Tennessee game at the end of that season, 2010. That's a problem for this team too.You should stop, because you are embarrassing yourself.

PGM
06-22-2012, 04:57 PM
Troll is back again eh?

vailpass
06-22-2012, 04:58 PM
ya, I think those are pretty good QB's also. The other problem with the passing offense is at #1 WR also -- I know many Chiefs fans won't except the fact that Bowe has been as much a part of the problem as anyone, he had two impressive games during his five years in the NFL -- the Seattle game where he was getting wide open all game and then the Tennessee game at the end of that season, 2010. That's a problem for this team too. The OL has been horrible since 2007, but has improved a bit.

Really, all this offense has been since LJ douchbagger got canned is Jamaal Charles. Charles pitched left, Charles up the middle, Charles pitched right. Charles, Charles, Charles. Hell, he had 97 of the team's 161 total offense yards during the playoff game. The one where Dwayne Bowe had zero stats. Nothing. In a playoff game. That is bad for a 4th year #1 wideout. Unacceptable imo.

Bowe is one of the few KC studs that isn't broken.
WTF?

Ace Gunner
06-22-2012, 05:00 PM
You should stop, because you are embarrassing yourself.

The problem is, you have no clue :D

BCD
06-22-2012, 05:02 PM
The problem is, you have no clue :D

Eat shit.

Ace Gunner
06-22-2012, 05:04 PM
Bowe is one of the few KC studs that isn't broken.
WTF?

He is a stud, but he is a very broken human. I know you don't see it that way, but I do. He's a big loser.

Ace Gunner
06-22-2012, 05:05 PM
Eat shit.

Aw, you mad bro :D

PGM
06-22-2012, 05:10 PM
Let's return to bashing the flawed team from Pile High shall we?

vailpass
06-22-2012, 05:11 PM
Let's return to bashing the flawed team from Pile High shall we?

Much better that than look at your own team, I'm sure.

BCD
06-22-2012, 05:13 PM
He is a stud, but he is a very broken human. I know you don't see it that way, but I do. He's a big loser.

Loser? LMAO

You're a moron.

How is he a loser?

BCD
06-22-2012, 05:14 PM
Aw, you mad bro :D

I'm not mad, I'm perplexed by your dumbassery.

PGM
06-22-2012, 05:18 PM
Much better that than look at your own team, I'm sure.

It is? Since when? We can bash Cassel, that's about it.

ku_jhawk23
06-22-2012, 11:48 PM
Present a reasoned, logical argument that shows our schedule this year is easier.

Or stuff your smiley up your ass.


Do you really think that:

falcons
saints (missing coach and players)
ravens
bucs
bengals
panthers
browns

is more difficult than 2011:

lions
vikings
dolphins
patriouts
bears
jets
packers

???

This years schedule is much easier...not to mention that we had a few injuries last year.

Douche Baggins
06-22-2012, 11:59 PM
Do you really think that:

falcons
saints (missing coach and players)
ravens
bucs
bengals
panthers
browns


I've bolded the ones that will be significant challenges for our Chiefs.

The fact that you think games against:

vikings
dolphins
jets
bears

Are difficult, is laughable.

Those were games against Donovan McNabb's corpse, Matt Moore, Mark Sanchez and fucking Caleb Hanie.

Chiefspants
06-23-2012, 12:14 AM
You mean the game where dipshit Cassel didn't even try once to throw to Bowe, even when Bowe was wide open. But yeah keep blaming Bowe for that like the little douche you are.

Gochefs, do you happen to have a gif of Bowe running wide open in that game?

LongLiveBob
11-24-2012, 03:23 PM
hahaha first thread i read....... all i can say is hahahahahah

Douche Baggins
11-24-2012, 03:24 PM
Do you really think that:

falcons
saints (missing coach and players)
ravens
bucs
bengals
panthers
browns

is more difficult than 2011:

lions
vikings
dolphins
patriouts
bears
jets
packers

???

This years schedule is much easier...not to mention that we had a few injuries last year.

Hey look, another win for me. ROFL

Tombstone RJ
11-24-2012, 04:26 PM
You paying attention, bro?

Point out one team that has a better set of O-line/TEs/WRs/RBs than the Chiefs. Did you watch the defense during the last weeks of the season? Wake up, dude.

ROFL

ClevelandBronco
11-24-2012, 04:33 PM
Hey look, another win for me. ROFL

Gotta tell you, you were dead on right.

PGM
11-24-2012, 06:09 PM
ROFL

You guys signed the one man gang...Grats. Must have eaten a shit ton of stem cells in the offseason to boot.

Tombstone RJ
11-24-2012, 06:14 PM
You guys signed the one man gang...Grats. Must have eaten a shit ton of stem cells in the offseason to boot.

have you seen the Broncos defense lately?

PGM
11-24-2012, 06:17 PM
Yeah, I saw them against the Pats, Falcs, and Texans getting raped. Pretty good against fraud teams though. Don't play them folk in the postseason.

unnecessary drama
11-24-2012, 06:17 PM
Simmons predicted like 41-0, Walter Football like 31-0...someone else like 31-3...

Vegas must know something we don't.

Tombstone RJ
11-24-2012, 06:25 PM
Yeah, I saw them against the Pats, Falcs, and Texans getting raped. Pretty good against fraud teams though. Don't play them folk in the postseason.

:rolleyes:

fact is the Broncos still were in those games and due to things like turnovers (Manning threw 3 picks in the atlanta game) the Broncos didn't win. Those games were also early in the season when the Broncos were still gelling.

but whatever, your gonna see things your way and I'm gonna know things the winning way.

BossChief
11-24-2012, 06:37 PM
Simmons predicted like 41-0, Walter Football like 31-0...someone else like 31-3...

Vegas must know something we don't.

Look at how Romeo has schemed against Peyton the last 5 or 6 times he has faced him...even with subpar teams. They also saw how KC played against Pittsburgh.

I think they are dead wrong, though.

I am throwing out some cash to back that, too.

LongLiveBob
11-24-2012, 06:48 PM
clevelandbronco....... u in cleveland, OH?

InChiefsHell
11-24-2012, 07:28 PM
I feel stupid...oh so stupid...I feel Stupid and retarded and GAAAAAY!!!

CLX
11-24-2012, 09:08 PM
If for some reason the Chiefs play out of their ass and keep the game close would anyone be surprised?

Do we have a 3rd QB active for the game?

I would really like to see the Chiefs get the #1 draft (with a new GM) but I'd also like to see them kick dirt in the face of Manning. Maybe even get DJ or Tamba get in a couple of Suh shots on Manning.

Looking back to reality I doubt Manning will be playing if they get ahead 4 TD's.

KC Tattoo
11-24-2012, 09:16 PM
What it comes down too is...

Broncos season success hinges on Peyton Manning from breaking his nick.



Chiefs season success hinges on Matt Cassel breaking his nick.

Ha I think I nailed it, only but we still would have sucked with Quinn so there is that.