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Brock
06-22-2012, 05:06 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/17/us-isps-become-copyright-cops-starting-july-12/

BigMeatballDave
06-22-2012, 05:11 PM
I just love how the government goes out of their way to protect Corporate America.

jspchief
06-22-2012, 05:11 PM
Why in god's name would ISPs cave to RIAA lobbying?

BigMeatballDave
06-22-2012, 05:14 PM
Why in god's name would ISPs cave to RIAA lobbying?$

Brock
06-22-2012, 05:15 PM
I just love how the government goes out of their way to protect Corporate America.

This is actually one part of corporate america protecting another part of corporate america. I'm pretty much okay with it, depending on the particulars of how this is going to be done.

BigMeatballDave
06-22-2012, 05:20 PM
This is actually one part of corporate america protecting another part of corporate america. I'm pretty much okay with it, depending on the particulars of how this is going to be done.

This affects me in no way. I don't use any peer-to-peer stuff.

I just hate the internet being fucked with, and people monitoring my shit.

Live and let live.

KChiefer
06-22-2012, 05:23 PM
ISPs, good luck selling your "blazing fast" connection prices when very few people will have a need for it. I wonder, has anyone ever gotten a copyright violation notice for pron?

Guru
06-22-2012, 07:01 PM
Guess I better to get a second DVR now. Any shows that I watch that conflict with my wifes shows I just download and watch on my tablet.

BigMeatballDave
06-22-2012, 07:06 PM
My son downloads torrents at home in Florida.

I wonder if I should pass this info along to his Mother?

:hmmm:

Brock
06-22-2012, 07:08 PM
My son downloads torrents at home in Florida.

I wonder if I should pass this info along to his Mother?

:hmmm:

I wouldn't.

BigMeatballDave
06-22-2012, 07:13 PM
I wouldn't.

:D

Fish
06-22-2012, 09:14 PM
Lots of ways around that......

Count Alex's Losses
06-22-2012, 09:14 PM
Lots of ways around that......

Peer guardian?

BigMeatballDave
06-22-2012, 09:23 PM
Lots of ways around that......

How?

Guru
06-22-2012, 09:25 PM
Lots of ways around that......

do direct downloads over P2P. Of course, they may be preparing for that too.

Saulbadguy
06-22-2012, 11:05 PM
There isn't much you can do to stop this.

KCtotheSB
06-22-2012, 11:15 PM
Welp, it was a good run...

BigRock
06-23-2012, 05:21 AM
The OP article is dated mid-March. I just saw this a few weeks ago. The person who posted it usually knows his stuff, but I can't speak to the accuracy of it all.

after all of the initial july 12th hooplah ended, it was pointed out that nobody actually said anything was going to happen on july 12. then in may reports came out that the summer in general was wildly optimistic and nothing's happening until at least the end of the year.

if you haven't already heard about it, the big implemention is the "six strikes" policy. but if you already download things, odds are good are that nothing's going to change for you.

the onus is still upon the companies being infringed to contact isps and alert them to their content being shared. or more specifically, those companies will hire an outside firm to do it for them. but when this was first talked about over a year ago, there were wild reports about isps installing software that would recognize copyrighted content regardless of where it was being downloaded from. um, no. someone still has to catch you.

the company catches your ip downloading their content, they contact your isp. your isp contacts you and lets you know. that's strike one. strikes two and three are the same, except after strike three you have to confirm to your isp that you received the notice.

after the third strike you run the risk of some form of punishment by your isp, like having your account throttled or temporarily disconnected. but your account isn't going to be cancelled, that's been clear since day one. why would the isp cancel your service? They want to make money. they have no reason to shut you off unless the riaa/mpaa starts suing the isps themselves. after six strikes, you won't even get notices anymore.

but continued strikes can open you up to the possibility of the content providers asking your isp for your information so they can sue you. no small potatos, but this has already been going on for years anyway.

like i said, this probably isn't going to change anything for you. if you're still living in 2003 and you download from public trackers with nothing but peer guardian to protect you, it's amazing you haven't been bombarded with legal letters already. if you fit this description, you will have to adapt.

just be smart. get on private trackers. by no means is that foolproof since people collecting ips can join private trackers too, but it's a lot safer than a public tracker. and if you're a heavy torrent user, you're a fool not to have a seedbox or vpn at this point.

i've stuck to private trackers with a vpn for years now, and on account of moving i've had 3 different isps since 2010, two of which are notorious for sending legal letters. but i've never gotten a single notification from anyone and i download games, software, movies, music, porn, and everything else you could think of.

incidentally, this effort is entirely focused on bittorrent. this will only increase the amount of content being uploaded to the free download places like rapidshare, and what was supposed to be a big wipeout of those sites after megaupload went down has come to a screeching hault. so if this scares you away from bt, focus your downloading on those sites for a while.

and it goes without saying that bittorrent will be replaced by new technology in the next year or two anyway, rendering a lot of this meaningless.

BigRedChief
06-23-2012, 10:26 AM
There isn't much you can do to stop this.No shit. Privacy on the internet is an illusion. You are violating the TSA or doing something illegal, they can find out. They just wont push it too far as to not make everyone paroniod about big brother. But, thats the dirty little secret. Big Brother is already alive and thriving.

Demonpenz
06-23-2012, 11:34 AM
i have already been buying stuff just because it is simple to just click on stuff on xbox live than search around on torrent sites and wondering if it will have german subtitles and all that shit.

DJJasonp
06-23-2012, 08:15 PM
Better stock up on some fresh pron!

Bowser
06-24-2012, 12:26 AM
Huh. I figured they already did this, anyway.

ReynardMuldrake
06-24-2012, 02:15 AM
How?

Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-24-2012, 05:09 AM
No more free porn?


Viva la revolucion!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigRedChief
06-24-2012, 09:12 AM
Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.Dude, its still a fucking datagram, if the ISP and or the government wants to look at what is in that packet, they can easily. You are using an access point that they totally own. GEEEEZZZ :facepalm:

Mr. Laz
06-24-2012, 10:36 AM
Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.

none of that does anything about your ISP ... they can see everything.

BigRedChief
06-24-2012, 10:46 AM
none of that does anything about your ISP ... they can see everything.Working with some of the best techs in the world the last two years has taught me that techs with a little bit of knowledge way overestimate their capabilites and underestimate the capabilites of others for say........... payback and subturfuge.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-24-2012, 11:27 AM
No more free porn?


Viva la revolucion!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amateur streaming videos FTW

BryanBusby
06-25-2012, 03:19 AM
How?

Usenet on a SSL connection.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-25-2012, 08:25 AM
Usenet on a SSL connection.

;)

Fish
06-25-2012, 08:59 AM
Usenet on a SSL connection.

That's about the best you can do... :thumb:

Saulbadguy
06-25-2012, 09:17 AM
Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.
:LOL:

Micjones
06-25-2012, 10:45 AM
I'm wondering how 2nd hand downloads will be affected.

Most of what I download has been ripped, encoded to mp3 and uploaded by someone else.

And I rarely download albums. I typically only download individual songs.

Fish
06-25-2012, 11:05 AM
I'm wondering how 2nd hand downloads will be affected.

Most of what I download has been ripped, encoded to mp3 and uploaded by someone else.

And I rarely download albums. I typically only download individual songs.

Despite this recent scare warning, it still boils down to the content owner(RIAA, MPAA, etc.) finding something copyrighted that's being shared, and recording all the IP addresses that are downloading from the source that they found.

So it doesn't matter if what you're downloading has been ripped into a different format. If the content owner finds it being shared online, and can prove that it's their material, and can see your IP address connected to it, then they can contact your ISP and say "The user with this IP at this date and time was downloading our copyrighted material, please do something about it."

The ISPs have, and have always had, the ability to see exactly what you're accessing online. Simply because they control your flow of information. Everything you do online, every bit of data, must pass through their hardware. So they do have a great deal of control. But the good thing is that ISPs still don't want to be the internet police. It takes up way to much of their resources, slows down their overall bandwidth by a lot, and pisses off or at least scares their existing paying customers. So no matter how the RIAA or MPAA lawyers claim that the ISPs are gonna start "going after" you, the ISPs themselves will still be reluctant to do anything without the copyright owners pestering and threatening them about it.

Peerblock is next to worthless these days. But there are things that still work effectively. As has been said, the safest method is Usenet groups, with SSL enabled. If you insist on torrenting, consider BTGuard (http://lifehacker.com/5863380/how-to-completely-anonymize-your-bittorrent-traffic-with-btguard). Click the link for more info.

Micjones
06-25-2012, 12:14 PM
Despite this recent scare warning, it still boils down to the content owner(RIAA, MPAA, etc.) finding something copyrighted that's being shared, and recording all the IP addresses that are downloading from the source that they found.

So it doesn't matter if what you're downloading has been ripped into a different format. If the content owner finds it being shared online, and can prove that it's their material, and can see your IP address connected to it, then they can contact your ISP and say "The user with this IP at this date and time was downloading our copyrighted material, please do something about it."

The ISPs have, and have always had, the ability to see exactly what you're accessing online. Simply because they control your flow of information. Everything you do online, every bit of data, must pass through their hardware. So they do have a great deal of control. But the good thing is that ISPs still don't want to be the internet police. It takes up way to much of their resources, slows down their overall bandwidth by a lot, and pisses off or at least scares their existing paying customers. So no matter how the RIAA or MPAA lawyers claim that the ISPs are gonna start "going after" you, the ISPs themselves will still be reluctant to do anything without the copyright owners pestering and threatening them about it.

Peerblock is next to worthless these days. But there are things that still work effectively. As has been said, the safest method is Usenet groups, with SSL enabled. If you insist on torrenting, consider BTGuard (http://lifehacker.com/5863380/how-to-completely-anonymize-your-bittorrent-traffic-with-btguard). Click the link for more info.

Great points.

Piracy will always exist.
Might change forms, but ultimately people will always find a way to get their hands on copyrighted media (without paying for it).

Brock
06-25-2012, 12:16 PM
I had assumed ISPs had agreed to do this with compensation from RIAA.

WoodDraw
06-25-2012, 12:19 PM
Wasn't a lot of this a result of the ISPs getting pissed at the rights holders? They were being subpoenaed for their customers' names in all of these legal cases, which pissed off the customers obviously but also gave them a ton of work.

So this was a compromise - stop suing all of our customers, especially first time offenders and people your going to look like assholes going after, and we'll proactively tell them they're doing illegal stuff. That's the way I remember it anyway.

kaplin42
06-25-2012, 12:28 PM
I just love how the government goes out of their way to protect Corporate America.

Government is run by Coprorate America. It's really just protecting itself.

kaplin42
06-25-2012, 12:35 PM
Despite this recent scare warning, it still boils down to the content owner(RIAA, MPAA, etc.) finding something copyrighted that's being shared, and recording all the IP addresses that are downloading from the source that they found.

So it doesn't matter if what you're downloading has been ripped into a different format. If the content owner finds it being shared online, and can prove that it's their material, and can see your IP address connected to it, then they can contact your ISP and say "The user with this IP at this date and time was downloading our copyrighted material, please do something about it."

The ISPs have, and have always had, the ability to see exactly what you're accessing online. Simply because they control your flow of information. Everything you do online, every bit of data, must pass through their hardware. So they do have a great deal of control. But the good thing is that ISPs still don't want to be the internet police. It takes up way to much of their resources, slows down their overall bandwidth by a lot, and pisses off or at least scares their existing paying customers. So no matter how the RIAA or MPAA lawyers claim that the ISPs are gonna start "going after" you, the ISPs themselves will still be reluctant to do anything without the copyright owners pestering and threatening them about it.

Peerblock is next to worthless these days. But there are things that still work effectively. As has been said, the safest method is Usenet groups, with SSL enabled. If you insist on torrenting, consider BTGuard (http://lifehacker.com/5863380/how-to-completely-anonymize-your-bittorrent-traffic-with-btguard). Click the link for more info.

A point that is being missed that was mentions in the second article is a seedbox. if one must torrent, use a seedbox. p2p traffic goes to the box, then from the box to your computer in a normal download type of traffic. be smart and don't download 100's of gigs a month, and you should draw no flags.

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-25-2012, 12:43 PM
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

Setsuna
06-25-2012, 12:47 PM
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

They can if they find those files on your HDD.

Brock
06-25-2012, 12:47 PM
They can if they find those files on your HDD.

How are they going to do that?

QuikSsurfer
06-25-2012, 12:48 PM
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

lol No...

Brock
06-25-2012, 12:48 PM
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

There will definitely be alot of it going on where there is public wifi. In any case, I'm sure you're going to be held accountable for what comes through the wire plugged into your house, whether its secured or not.

Fish
06-25-2012, 12:49 PM
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

Foolproof!

ROFL

Fish
06-25-2012, 12:51 PM
A point that is being missed that was mentions in the second article is a seedbox. if one must torrent, use a seedbox. p2p traffic goes to the box, then from the box to your computer in a normal download type of traffic. be smart and don't download 100's of gigs a month, and you should draw no flags.

Well, that's exactly what BTGuard does, that I mentioned in my post. It's just a Proxy server.

BigRedChief
06-25-2012, 06:31 PM
Usenet on a SSL connection.see post #22.
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b/b1/Doing-it-wrong.jpg

Brock
06-25-2012, 06:57 PM
see post #22.
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b/b1/Doing-it-wrong.jpg

Post #22 doesn't say anything about it.

-King-
06-26-2012, 03:25 AM
see post #22.
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b/b1/Doing-it-wrong.jpg

LMAO Irony

BryanBusby
06-26-2012, 04:44 AM
see post #22.
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b/b1/Doing-it-wrong.jpg

Huh. I figured they already did this, anyway.

So uh, what the fuck am I suppose to be seeing here?

KILLER_CLOWN
06-26-2012, 07:27 AM
So uh, what the **** am I suppose to be seeing here?

I looked, then I lol'd...still not sure if serious...

Brainiac
07-01-2012, 12:16 AM
I've downloaded quite a few things using Bit Torrents. Today I got a letter from my ISP (SureWest). It read like this:

Dear Subscriber,

We have received the following information from Irdeto (fka BayTSP.COM) that someone at a location matching your on-line IP address downloaded unauthorized copies of the following copyrighted works:

Title: The.Change-Up.2011.BRRip.x264.KiD-SCTeam
Infringing Source: BitTorrent
Infringing URL: antipiracy@nbcuni.com

If you or someone at your address downloaded these works, please be aware that the download may be in violation of copyright laws. If you believe that this information was received in error or for assistance in correcting this matter; please contact our offices at the email address or number below. Please be advised that it is the policy of SureWest Broadband to comply with all copyright and trademark laws and to terminate in appropriate circumstances the accounts of subscribers who repeatedly infringe these laws. Please be advised that copyright infringement may also subject you to civil liability to the copyright holder.

Sincerely,

SureWest Security Administration
Abuse Department
dmcanotices@surewest.com
1.866.787.3937




If you've been downloading copyrighted content and you thought it was safe to do so prior to July 12th, go check your mailbox. You may have a similar letter waiting for you.

pr_capone
07-01-2012, 12:27 AM
I've downloaded quite a few things using Bit Torrents. Today I got a letter from my ISP (SureWest). It read like this:



If you've been downloading copyrighted content and you thought it was safe to do so prior to July 12th, go check your mailbox. You may have a similar letter waiting for you.

That letter from your ISP is nothing new. Look at the email addy on the infringing URL line. The complaint came from NBC... not your ISP.

Ultra Peanut
07-01-2012, 02:06 AM
someone plx pm me invites to a repository of direct links and/or a private tracker that's not demonoid, ty

I got a letter once a long time ago, when I was still living with my mom, but it was because I went onto TPB to grab something that had aired ~12 hours prior because i couldn't find it anywhere else.

pr_capone
07-01-2012, 02:09 AM
someone plx pm me invites to a repository of direct links and/or a private tracker that's not demonoid, ty

I got a letter once a long time ago, when I was still living with my mom, but it was because I went onto TPB to grab something that had aired ~12 hours prior because i couldn't find it anywhere else.

why not demonoid? you don't like them or you already have an acct?

Ultra Peanut
07-01-2012, 02:22 AM
It's kind of both, but mostly the latter.

pr_capone
07-01-2012, 02:34 AM
too bad... they are pretty much my goto torrent. If I come acros an invite someone where I'll hit you up.

Dayze
07-01-2012, 02:49 AM
I can save them a lot of trouble. xnxx.com
....or so I've heard.

boom done.

Boon
07-02-2012, 12:48 PM
I am interested in the Usenet on a SSL connection, mentioned in this thread. Anyone have a link to a good primer on this? TIA

KILLER_CLOWN
07-02-2012, 01:39 PM
I am interested in the Usenet on a SSL connection, mentioned in this thread. Anyone have a link to a good primer on this? TIA

WWW.EASYNEWS.COM

Fish
07-02-2012, 01:52 PM
Easynews is great. They're a block based site, so you pay per bandwidth used. If you don't know how much you would use, and don't want to pay for what you're not using, then block based pricing in the way to go.

I use Supernews. $12 unlimited use. SSL. Works great.

Binverse is a good one for noobs. It's really easy to use, has a built in search, and it's cheap. It also offers a trial period if you want to check it out.

Thundernews is supposed to be pretty good too. With lots of different package options, some block based and some not.

Boon
07-02-2012, 02:06 PM
First, thanks for the answers. The answers bring up more questions. As it always does. Regarding the four products you mention, I assume these are Usenet sites. Is some sort of newsreader needed also? Looking over the Easynews site it looks like it is used with a web browser. I assume this eliminates the need for a separate "reader". Is this correct? Again, thanks.

Brock
07-02-2012, 02:09 PM
I had easynews as far back as about 10 years ago. It was a very no frills setup, all through the browser back then.

Saulbadguy
07-02-2012, 02:19 PM
Usenet is for creepy perverts.

Brock
07-02-2012, 02:21 PM
Usenet is for creepy perverts.

LMAO could be. But I downloaded thousands of CDs worth of music off of there.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-02-2012, 02:26 PM
Once you graduate from easynews you can step up to the best that is www.Giganews.com. Also you can get a premium news service and use SABNZBD to use it through your browser.

This was posted for educational purposes only. :)

Fish
07-02-2012, 02:27 PM
Yeah... many of the new ones, including Easynews and Binverse, have their own web app reader which eliminates the need for a separate Newsreader app. But you can still use a separate Newsreader app if you'd like.

Usenet access requires a reader to "read" the newsgroups. Essentially that just lets you get the current updated listing of all the files people have uploaded. On top of the reader, you'll need a way to search the newsgroups for what you want to download. Lots of newsgroup readers will do both functions, reading and searching. The new sites will do all of that in their web-based client. If you want to keep it simple, just choose one that allows you to do everything from their web page.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-02-2012, 02:28 PM
Yeah... many of the new ones, including Easynews and Binverse, have their own web app reader which eliminates the need for a separate Newsreader app. But you can still use a separate Newsreader app if you'd like.

Usenet access requires a reader to "read" the newsgroups. Essentially that just lets you get the current updated listing of all the files people have uploaded. On top of the reader, you'll need a way to search the newsgroups for what you want to download. Lots of newsgroup readers will do both functions, reading and searching. The new sites will do all of that in their web-based client. If you want to keep it simple, just choose one that allows you to do everything from their web page.

http://www.binsearch.info/

KILLER_CLOWN
07-02-2012, 02:32 PM
Usenet is for creepy perverts.

The same could be said about life in general. :p

Swanman
07-02-2012, 03:07 PM
First, thanks for the answers. The answers bring up more questions. As it always does. Regarding the four products you mention, I assume these are Usenet sites. Is some sort of newsreader needed also? Looking over the Easynews site it looks like it is used with a web browser. I assume this eliminates the need for a separate "reader". Is this correct? Again, thanks.

Like Killer Clown, I use Giganews with their VPN. I use the website nzbmatrix.com to find usenet downloads. It downloads a .nzb file that I then open up in a program called Grabit that goes ahead and downloads the file.

Fish
07-02-2012, 03:13 PM
I use Newsbin Pro for listing and searching.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-02-2012, 03:36 PM
I use Newsbin Pro for listing and searching.

I use that too, but i seem to see a lot errors and the newer versions are clunky and hard to get around in.

lcarus
07-03-2012, 11:17 AM
My brother uses a VPN (not sure which one) and downloads torrents. Haven't gotten a letter since.

pr_capone
07-10-2012, 12:33 AM
Hey... here is a fun fact. Cox, the 3rd largest ISP in the US, has not agreed to this. Cox, the customer friendly ISP.

Saulbadguy
07-10-2012, 06:45 AM
Hey... here is a fun fact. Cox, the 3rd largest ISP in the US, has not agreed to this. Cox, the customer friendly ISP.

Cox has been a much better ISP than a cable provider.

mikeyis4dcats.
07-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Hey... here is a fun fact. Cox, the 3rd largest ISP in the US, has not agreed to this. Cox, the customer friendly ISP.

eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

kaplin42
07-10-2012, 12:43 PM
eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

We also have to understand, there are millions of people who have internet. To try and monitor, tag them all and send out letters would have to be a daunting task.

Recieving or not may just be like winning the lottery.

pr_capone
07-10-2012, 01:16 PM
eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

*sigh*

Yes, if the copyright holder complains, they have to take action. That is not the gist of the article. Many ISPs are now actively seeking out violators of their own volition. Cox does not.


Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, Time Warner Cable and other Internet service providers (ISPs) in the United States will soon launch new programs to police their networks in an effort to catch digital pirates and stop illegal file-sharing.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/03/17/us-isps-become-copyright-cops-starting-july-12/#ixzz20FFVkcN5


Cox is *NOT* doing what is in bold.

ReynardMuldrake
07-10-2012, 01:19 PM
Dude, its still a fucking datagram, if the ISP and or the government wants to look at what is in that packet, they can easily. You are using an access point that they totally own. GEEEEZZZ :facepalm:

none of that does anything about your ISP ... they can see everything.

How is an ISP supposed to see what you're downloading? Yes they can put packet sniffers on the line but that's not going to be much help with encrypted traffic. Obviously the bandwidth pattern will indicate torrenting but they have no way of knowing whether it's legit. There are a number of legit uses for torrents, how are they going to tell the difference?

Typically, the C&D letters are coming from the copyright holders, who hire people to go on public trackers and monitor all of the IPs uploading files they hold a copyright on. They then send notice to the ISP that sends the C&D to the customer. None of that will work on a private tracker.

So again, how would they know what you're downloading? The news articles mention some mysterious new countermeasure, but none of them give any details. The whole thing sounds like a scare tactic to me.

BigRedChief
07-10-2012, 06:47 PM
How is an ISP supposed to see what you're downloading? Yes they can put packet sniffers on the line but that's not going to be much help with encrypted traffic. Obviously the bandwidth pattern will indicate torrenting but they have no way of knowing whether it's legit. There are a number of legit uses for torrents, how are they going to tell the difference?

Typically, the C&D letters are coming from the copyright holders, who hire people to go on public trackers and monitor all of the IPs uploading files they hold a copyright on. They then send notice to the ISP that sends the C&D to the customer. None of that will work on a private tracker.

So again, how would they know what you're downloading? The news articles mention some mysterious new countermeasure, but none of them give any details. The whole thing sounds like a scare tactic to me.no offense dude but please reread post #27. No matter who you are, there is always someone smarter than yourself.

Guru
07-10-2012, 06:51 PM
I always run with the assumption that these companies can figure out what you are doing online

BigRock
07-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Many ISPs are now actively seeking out violators of their own volition.

It's not starting now and no ISPs are doing anything of their own volition.

I quoted a post earlier in this thread that I said I couldn't speak to the accuracy of. Well, a few days after that post, this article came out in Time and said all the same things:

http://business.time.com/2012/06/26/coming-soon-a-softer-approach-to-online-piracy/

pr_capone
07-10-2012, 11:28 PM
It's not starting now and no ISPs are doing anything of their own volition.

I quoted a post earlier in this thread that I said I couldn't speak to the accuracy of. Well, a few days after that post, this article came out in Time and said all the same things:

http://business.time.com/2012/06/26/coming-soon-a-softer-approach-to-online-piracy/

:thumb:

I misunderstood the article. In the end, Cox is still not involved with this cooperation. :D

In the end... I'm kind of glad to see a kinder, gentler method of dealing with pirates. Anything is better than suing grandmothers for hundreds of thousands of dollars for their grandkids d/l'ing 3 songs off Kazaa.

mnchiefsguy
07-28-2012, 06:22 PM
Signed up for giganews...it came with mimo as a newsgroup reader/downloader. Any good, or should I look elsewhere for a client?

Fruit Ninja
07-28-2012, 06:35 PM
someone told me this was put on hold. Who knows, i know i havent gotten any notice yet. lol In the end if this turns out to to be true, then there is no point in having high bandwidth. lol ill just drop my billl to the cheap one for 19.99 a month instead of me paying almost 50 lol ill still end up a winner regardless.

BigRedChief
07-29-2012, 04:47 AM
:thumb:

I misunderstood the article. In the end, Cox is still not involved with this cooperation. :D

In the end... I'm kind of glad to see a kinder, gentler method of dealing with pirates. Anything is better than suing grandmothers for hundreds of thousands of dollars for their grandkids d/l'ing 3 songs off Kazaa.Now, you got something to really worry about. Maybe you already know, maybe you don't. This is public information.

NSA allies with Internet carriers to thwart cyber attacks against defense firms
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/major-internet-service-providers-cooperating-with-nsa-on-monitoring-traffic/2011/06/07/AG2dukXH_story.html

NSA Chief says we need a defense system for the internet. They are volunteering to run it.
http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/nsa-chief-internet-great-risk-needs-defense-system-914174

He compared the Internet's traffic to a toll highway, and said he'd like the NSA to act as the monitor. Most traffic would barely be paid attention to, like a car with an "EZ Pass" cruising through without being stopped. But suspicious traffic would be identified and tracked.

As MIT's Technology Review points out (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428644/nsa-boss-wants-more-control-over-the-net/), NSA has prototyped a version of an Internet monitoring system, with 17 defense contractors participating. If an internal alarm is tripped, presumably in the event of a breach, telemetry from the event is relayed automatically to the NSA. Alexander would like to see something like this applied more broadly.

Brock
07-29-2012, 02:12 PM
Now, you got something to really worry about. Maybe you already know, maybe you don't. This is public information.

NSA allies with Internet carriers to thwart cyber attacks against defense firms
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/major-internet-service-providers-cooperating-with-nsa-on-monitoring-traffic/2011/06/07/AG2dukXH_story.html

NSA Chief says we need a defense system for the internet. They are volunteering to run it.
http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/nsa-chief-internet-great-risk-needs-defense-system-914174

He compared the Internet's traffic to a toll highway, and said he'd like the NSA to act as the monitor. Most traffic would barely be paid attention to, like a car with an "EZ Pass" cruising through without being stopped. But suspicious traffic would be identified and tracked.

As MIT's Technology Review points out (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428644/nsa-boss-wants-more-control-over-the-net/), NSA has prototyped a version of an Internet monitoring system, with 17 defense contractors participating. If an internal alarm is tripped, presumably in the event of a breach, telemetry from the event is relayed automatically to the NSA. Alexander would like to see something like this applied more broadly.

So?

mnchiefsguy
07-29-2012, 03:59 PM
Damn, I forgot what a bitch it is set up newsgroups (have not used a newsgroup in a long, long, time.)

Not getting crap for speed or connection with giganews. I am sure it is something in the setup, will just have to crank through it and figure it out.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-29-2012, 11:39 PM
Signed up for giganews...it came with mimo as a newsgroup reader/downloader. Any good, or should I look elsewhere for a client?

Yes just use web based SABnzbd, should be version 0615. ;)

*edited*

actually up to v0 72 here is the link http://sourceforge.net/projects/sabnzbdplus/files/sabnzbdplus/0.7.2/

Giganews is pretty much the fastest anywhere, i have 50 simultaneous connections...speed is not an issue.

mnchiefsguy
07-30-2012, 12:56 AM
Yes just use web based SABnzbd, should be version 0615. ;)

*edited*

actually up to v0 72 here is the link http://sourceforge.net/projects/sabnzbdplus/files/sabnzbdplus/0.7.2/

Giganews is pretty much the fastest anywhere, i have 50 simultaneous connections...speed is not an issue.

Thanks, rep for the link. Mimo does not seem to work all that well...it says my speeds are between 5 Mbps and 20 Mbps, but the few downloads I have done have taken way longer than they should. I just need to figure out all the proper tweaks and get the best news reader, etc. to maximize my speed. I set up for 50 connections as well.... I have 16 gigs of ram in my new machine, so I should have enough resources to handle that many connections.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-30-2012, 01:10 AM
Thanks, rep for the link. Mimo does not seem to work all that well...it says my speeds are between 5 Mbps and 20 Mbps, but the few downloads I have done have taken way longer than they should. I just need to figure out all the proper tweaks and get the best news reader, etc. to maximize my speed. I set up for 50 connections as well.... I have 16 gigs of ram in my new machine, so I should have enough resources to handle that many connections.

use sabnzbd to dl and search for the files on here http://www.binsearch.info/

mnchiefsguy
07-30-2012, 02:58 AM
use sabnzbd to dl and search for the files on here http://www.binsearch.info/

Setup sabnzbd, used binsearch, made an nzb...and got a connection speed of 59 kbs. Not sure why my giganews connection is so damn awful...although I did subscribe with the option of using their vpn. I will disable that next and see if my bottleneck is there.

Fish
07-30-2012, 09:20 AM
Thanks, rep for the link. Mimo does not seem to work all that well...it says my speeds are between 5 Mbps and 20 Mbps, but the few downloads I have done have taken way longer than they should. I just need to figure out all the proper tweaks and get the best news reader, etc. to maximize my speed. I set up for 50 connections as well.... I have 16 gigs of ram in my new machine, so I should have enough resources to handle that many connections.

RAM has nothing to do with how many connections you can handle.

In most cases, it's your own connection with your ISP that is the bottleneck. Have you run any speed tests to test your connection? Sometimes you'll have issues that aren't apparent until you're downloading from somewhere with shitloads of bandwidth like Newsgroups.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-30-2012, 09:21 AM
Setup sabnzbd, used binsearch, made an nzb...and got a connection speed of 59 kbs. Not sure why my giganews connection is so damn awful...although I did subscribe with the option of using their vpn. I will disable that next and see if my bottleneck is there.

Yes, it depends on your ISP...Roadrunner sucks using VPN whereas Surewest was fairly quick.

Brainiac
07-30-2012, 09:48 AM
Yes, it depends on your ISP...Roadrunner sucks using VPN whereas Surewest was fairly quick.
I use SureWest, and my download speeds haven't noticeably changed since I began using IP Vanish a few weeks ago.

Setsuna
07-30-2012, 11:51 AM
I use SureWest, and my download speeds haven't noticeably changed since I began using IP Vanish a few weeks ago.

Tell me about this. I have Comcast....is going around this possible?

mnchiefsguy
07-30-2012, 12:43 PM
RAM has nothing to do with how many connections you can handle.

In most cases, it's your own connection with your ISP that is the bottleneck. Have you run any speed tests to test your connection? Sometimes you'll have issues that aren't apparent until you're downloading from somewhere with shitloads of bandwidth like Newsgroups.

I usually test at speedtest.net. I have the Time Warner "Turbo" package, which is suppose to be 15 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up. Usually the test will return a d/l speed between 12-20, and an upload speed of slightly under 1 Mbps.

I get good speed on my bittorrents and such. Do I need to forward a port for the newsgroups like I do with utorrent? Had not thought of that till just now.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-30-2012, 12:53 PM
I usually test at speedtest.net. I have the Time Warner "Turbo" package, which is suppose to be 15 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up. Usually the test will return a d/l speed between 12-20, and an upload speed of slightly under 1 Mbps.

I get good speed on my bittorrents and such. Do I need to forward a port for the newsgroups like I do with utorrent? Had not thought of that till just now.

I have Time Warner 25mb/s and my 10mb/s surewest was 10 x faster, so it's definitely Time Warner...I will be switching back to surewest fairly soon.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-30-2012, 12:55 PM
I use SureWest, and my download speeds haven't noticeably changed since I began using IP Vanish a few weeks ago.

Like I said, when i was with Surewest I had zero problems, RR just blows. Need Google Fiber!

mnchiefsguy
07-30-2012, 01:21 PM
Like I said, when i was with Surewest I had zero problems, RR just blows. Need Google Fiber!

Wonder if Surewest services my part of town, their website says they do, but they also list my address as being in Raytown, KS, LOL, so that might not be accurate.....might be a good stopgap till google fiber comes along.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-30-2012, 02:46 PM
Wonder if Surewest services my part of town, their website says they do, but they also list my address as being in Raytown, KS, LOL, so that might not be accurate.....might be a good stopgap till google fiber comes along.

I regret not staying with surewest, I had ZERO problems the 2 years i was with them. Other than the price of course.

kaplin42
09-16-2012, 11:16 PM
shot in the dark, but anyone got a IPT invite by chance?

Setsuna
09-17-2012, 03:17 PM
IPT a porn convention? If so, then yes.

kaplin42
09-18-2012, 02:57 PM
IPT a porn convention? If so, then yes.

Negative. But Im bumping in the hopes that someone out there will have an IPT invite that they don't mind sharing.

Buehler445
09-18-2012, 05:30 PM
Negative. But Im bumping in the hopes that someone out there will have an IPT invite that they don't mind sharing.

Don't think so but I'll check when I get home.