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HonestChieffan
07-04-2012, 07:26 AM
(FOX Business) — IRS officials on background tell FOX Business the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on health reform gives the IRS even more powers than previously understood.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business’s entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage — and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. “We expect even more lien and levy powers,” an IRS official says. Even the Taxpayer Advocate is deeply concerned.

The IRS army will inexorably increase in size, too. The IRS will now add new agents to hunt down tax cheats, as it has been budgeted to spend $303.5 million building a new system, erected on the back of its old system, to oversee the effects of the health law, including making sure people get the new tax credits they deserve under the law.

As for the new IRS workers, the Government Accountability Office said the total will be about 4,500, with nearly 4,000 slated for enforcement.

On the $303.5 million for health care, the GAO said the IRS will “continue the development of new systems and modifications of existing systems as well as other IRS enforcement systems for health reform.”

Throughout, the IRS will be the agency enforcing the law, collecting these mandate penalties, as well as determining whether individuals buy “adequate” health coverage, and whether small businesses provide “affordable” coverage to workers under the new law.

However, Nina E. Olson, who runs the Taxpayer Advocate Office [TAO], a federal IRS overseer, has warned the new health law may require more IRS intrusions on taxpayer privacy, to determine whether individuals got appropriate health coverage, and whether small businesses provide “affordable” coverage, all of which is defined by the government.

That’s because the health-reform law’s individual mandate requires almost all legal residents of the United States to have “adequate” health-care coverage, as determined by the federal government. And it requires businesses of all sizes must provide “affordable” coverage as defined by the federal government.

Health reform’s insurance mandate says if you do not have “adequate” insurance, you’ll have to pay a fine as part of your tax return. If your business doesn’t provide “affordable” coverage, that business may have to pay a fine to the IRS, too, as part of its tax return filings.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/#ixzz1zakq3jbN

Iz Zat Chew
07-04-2012, 08:55 AM
A news report claimed that the 4000 for enforcement would be all trained with firearms and armed. Gestapo like?

Now the IRS wants you money (taxes) and your life too?

Liberals will most likely see this as a good thing. I do not.

Is there a provision in the ACA that exempts members of the house and senate from the penalties? Excuse me, taxes?

Ugly Duck
07-04-2012, 11:02 AM
The IRS will now add new agents to hunt down tax cheats

Dang... its getting so a loyal American can't even cheat on his taxes anymore... fuggin' socialist bastards

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 11:07 AM
A news report claimed that the 4000 for enforcement would be all trained with firearms and armed. Gestapo like?

Now the IRS wants you money (taxes) and your life too?

Liberals will most likely see this as a good thing. I do not.

Is there a provision in the ACA that exempts members of the house and senate from the penalties? Excuse me, taxes?

Do you cheat on your taxes?

Saul Good
07-04-2012, 11:09 AM
Do you cheat on your taxes?

DEA agents should be able to enter your home at any time for any reason. If you aren't hiding drugs, there is no reason to care.

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 11:11 AM
DEA agents should be able to enter your home at any time for any reason. If you aren't hiding drugs, there is no reason to care.

No no. Not saying that at all. Just responding to someone who didn't cite a link to his info that seems to think all of these things. Of course they are going for people who cheat on their taxes...which ya know...you shouldn't do.

I pay my taxes every year so...if people who don't get in trouble then alright.

Saul Good
07-04-2012, 11:19 AM
No no. Not saying that at all. Just responding to someone who didn't cite a link to his info that seems to think all of these things. Of course they are going for people who cheat on their taxes...which ya know...you shouldn't do.

I pay my taxes every year so...if people who don't get in trouble then alright.

It doesn't bother you that people are able to comb through your personal financial data?

Iz Zat Chew
07-04-2012, 11:20 AM
Do you cheat on your taxes?If I answer honestly you will call me a liar, if I say that I cheat on my taxes you will want to call the IRS.

I've been audited 4 times because my tax preparer was found to be less than honest. Nothing came of the audits. haven't been audited since.

And for the record, no I do not cheat on my taxes. I don't make enough to hide any illegal deductions.

RedNeckRaider
07-04-2012, 11:22 AM
If I answer honestly you will call me a liar, if I say that I cheat on my taxes you will want to call the IRS.

I've been audited 4 times because my tax preparer was found to be less than honest. Nothing came of the audits. haven't been audited since.

And for the record, no I do not cheat on my taxes. I don't make enough to hide any illegal deductions.

LMAO you are not alone in the don't make enough crowd!

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 11:24 AM
It doesn't bother you that people are able to comb through your personal financial data?

This "piece of journalism" seems loaded with language that make me question it. I mean...what does this even mean? "IRS officials on background tell FOX Business"

At this point i am filing this under "selling fear about things that don't actually happen"

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 11:26 AM
If I answer honestly you will call me a liar, if I say that I cheat on my taxes you will want to call the IRS.

I've been audited 4 times because my tax preparer was found to be less than honest. Nothing came of the audits. haven't been audited since.

And for the record, no I do not cheat on my taxes. I don't make enough to hide any illegal deductions.

Hey IRS this douche that talks a big game and doesn't act on it says he is cheating on his taxes! He thinks you are like a SWAT team so really make a show of it thanks in advance! Love, Zach

Iz Zat Chew
07-04-2012, 11:28 AM
"RHey IRS this douche that talks a big game and doesn't act on it says he is cheating on his taxes! He thinks you are like a SWAT team so really make a show of it thanks in advance! Love, ZachWhat a douchbag. Who is Zach?

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 11:31 AM
Saul, you are a smart guy. Why do you think when I look for more info on this I am only seeing it from right leaning websites.

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 11:31 AM
What a douchbag. Who is Zach?

Where are my legal papers Tom. Don't be a coward and run away.

Iz Zat Chew
07-04-2012, 11:56 AM
Where are my legal papers Tom. Don't be a coward and run away.

I'm supposed to know what you are talking about? I don't.

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 11:56 AM
I'm supposed to know what you are talking about? I don't.

Coward.

Iz Zat Chew
07-04-2012, 12:01 PM
Coward.

????????????? How so? I answered you comment.

I would suggest you either explain wtf you are talking about or just STFU.

On second thought, I don't care to hear about your dirty laundry.

|Zach|
07-04-2012, 12:02 PM
????????????? How so? I answered you comment.

I would suggest you either explain wtf you are talking about or just STFU.

Ok Tom.

Chocolate Hog
07-04-2012, 12:47 PM
Mitt Romney would get rid of the IRS



Oh wait

Iz Zat Chew
07-04-2012, 12:52 PM
Mitt Romney would get rid of the IRS



Oh wait

How good would it be to abolish the IRS and go to a flat tax or a fair tax, which ever way you would want to define a user tax? Bad thing is that if the user tax was 10%, then state tax would be 10% and city/county taxes would be 10%, would we be paying more or less than we do now?

mikey23545
07-04-2012, 01:48 PM
Duties and Powers

The IRS is responsible for enforcing the Internal Revenue Code (U.S.C.A. tit. 26), which codifies all U.S. tax laws. Basic IRS activities include serving and educating taxpayers; determining, assessing, and collecting taxes; investigating individuals and organizations that violate tax laws; determining pension plan qualifications and exempt organization status; and issuing rulings and regulations to supplement the Internal Revenue Code.

Historically, Congress has given the IRS unique and wide-ranging powers for administering the U.S. tax system and enforcing its laws. For example, while in a criminal proceeding the government has the burden to prove that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in a tax proceeding the burden is on the taxpayer to prove that he or she does not owe the amount claimed by the IRS. The IRS also has the power to impose civil penalties for any of a number of violations of tax law. These penalties are seldom employed, however, and with respect to penalties, the IRS bears the burden of proving that the penalty is justified.

The IRS has the power to collect large amounts of information on U.S. citizens, companies, and other institutions. The most obvious example of this power is that each year all taxpayers must file tax returns containing detailed financial and personal information. Many organizations are also required to notify the IRS of any payments they make to individuals; the IRS receives approximately 1 billion of these third-party reports annually. The IRS also has the legal authority to order banks, employers, and other institutions to provide information about a taxpayer without having to obtain a warrant from a judge; other law enforcement agencies, such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation and local police forces, must obtain a warrant in such situations.

Another crucial power of the IRS is the ability to withhold taxes automatically from employee paychecks. The IRS was given this authority in 1943, when Congress passed legislation requiring employers to withhold from employees' paychecks the income taxes owed to the government. This withholding requirement was one of several actions taken by the government to increase revenue so that it could meet the huge financial requirements for fighting World War II. Today, automatic withholding accounts for the majority of tax dollars paid to the government, with only a small portion sent in with tax returns by April 15, the IRS's annual tax deadline. Automatic withholding is important to the government because it enables it to receive a steady stream of tax revenue. It is also useful for enforcing "voluntary" (voluntary? Really? Really?)compliance from taxpayers, because the individual's tax burden seems less onerous when taxes owed are subtracted from a paycheck before the check is received.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/u-s-internal-revenue-service#ixzz1zgGsk39g


This is all before Obama's expansion of his brownshirts...Does anyone really have a problem believing these powers are going to expand under his crackdown on American taxpayers and small businesses?

La literatura
07-04-2012, 03:22 PM
This is all before Obama's expansion of his brownshirts...Does anyone really have a problem believing these powers are going to expand under his crackdown on American taxpayers and small businesses?

Scary!

Johnny Vegas
07-04-2012, 06:20 PM
life keeps getting better and better in the USA doesn't it?

mikey23545
07-04-2012, 06:22 PM
Scary!

Bizarre thinking!

HonestChieffan
07-05-2012, 10:26 AM
Gets worse


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/03/efforts-to-implement-obamacare-law-raise-concerns-massive-government-expansion/#ixzz1ziuZDCSV

vailpass
07-05-2012, 10:50 AM
Scary!

Says the guy with no income.

Calcountry
07-05-2012, 05:47 PM
life keeps getting better and better in the USA doesn't it?Like I said before, it is going to be fun living in this shithole of a country soon.

|Zach|
07-05-2012, 06:11 PM
Like I said before, it is going to be fun living in this shithole of a country soon.

Bawwwwww