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vailpass
07-18-2012, 10:31 AM
Anyone know anything about this? I think I want.
Amazonís New Kindle Could Come in September
By Andrei C. | Jul 17, 2012 Add a comment .Posted In Android, Games & Gadgets, Mobile Devices
Reports are that Amazonís new Kindle Fire will be unveiled in September.

The new device is expected to come with an improved display, both in terms of resolution (1280 x 800 pixels) and PPI (216), all on the same screen size. It will also be lighter, thinner and feature a built-in camera, although itís not clear if itíll be front-facing or not).

All of these details come from AllThingsD.

Iím betting the new Fire will include an improved chip, maybe a Tegra 3 Quad-Core.

The New York Times says the device ďcould compete more directly with the iPad, according to a developer briefed on Amazonís plans who did not want to be identified talking about unannounced products.Ē

Ironically, the Kindle Fireís strongest feature isnít within the device itself: Itís Amazon Prime membership, which for just $79 a year provides access to a huge collection of movies, TV shows and books, plus upgraded shipping.



http://news.dice.com/2012/07/17/amazon-next-gen-kindle-fire/

Mr. Laz
07-18-2012, 06:34 PM
now ... if they would just make a 10" screen version

vailpass
07-19-2012, 12:40 PM
now ... if they would just make a 10" screen version


10-inch Kindle Fire tipped as Amazon new iPad challenge imminent
Chris Davies, Jul 16th 2012

Amazonís larger Kindle Fire is still in the pipeline, sources insist, scaling up from the existing 7-inch slate as Apple reportedly scales down to tweener tablet levels. A namedrop in the same NYT article that threw further weight against the iPad mini rumors, according to unnamed developers the retailer is pushing ahead with whatís tipped to be a roughly 10-inch variant of the Kindle Fire, bringing the challenge to Appleís new iPad.

While Amazon spokespeople unsurprisingly declined to comment on the newspaperís chatter, the idea of a new, larger Kindle Fire isnít exactly new. Even before the original Kindle Fire was revealed, speculation had it that Amazon was working on not one but two devices: a cheap, small model (which went on to hit virtual shelves at $199) and a larger, more capable version.

That second model never arrived, however, with talk that Amazon encountered issues with components and performance, among other things. However, going by the insider whispers, that work might be culminating again in a larger device due later in 2012.

Exact hardware details are in short supply, but Android is undoubtedly running Ė albeit heavily reskinned for Amazonís content-selling purposes Ė under the hood, and a screen sized more akin to the 9.7-inch current iPad is likely.

Any launch is most likely to take place alongside the second-generation 7-inch Kindle Fire, which as rumor would have it is due in Q3 with a 1280 x 800 display. Amazon is also tipped to be working on a Kindle smartphone.

http://www.slashgear.com/10-inch-kindle-fire-tipped-as-amazon-new-ipad-challenge-imminent-16238656/

Mr. Laz
07-19-2012, 01:13 PM
10-inch Kindle Fire tipped as Amazon new iPad challenge imminent
Chris Davies, Jul 16th 2012

... and a larger, more capable version.

cool ... i hope they don't add too much to it though. That will just raise the price up to the Ipad price.

just make a 10" kindle fire and keep it inexpensive

not going to play Call of Duty on it or edit video.


for me it's just a mobile convenience item ...

1. large screen 10+ inch
2. long battery so i don't have to worry about recharging all the time
3. full browsing (ie flash &big enough screen) i hate not be able to visit a site or see something
4. ebook (another reason for big screen, less page turning)
5. few flash games for boredom (angry birds or silly crap like that)
6. some picture taking/showing
7. quick and simple access to email/text/twitter

i think the current kindle fire does all these things, except the 10" screen.

vailpass
07-19-2012, 01:18 PM
cool ... i hope they don't add too much to it though. That will just raise the price up to the Ipad price.

just make a 10" kindle fire and keep it inexpensive

not going to play Call of Duty on it or edit video.


for me it's just a mobile convenience item ...

1. large screen 10+ inch
2. long battery so i don't have to worry about recharging all the time
3. full browsing (ie flash &big enough screen) i hate not be able to visit a site or see something
4. ebook (another reason for big screen, less page turning)
5. few flash games for boredom (angry birds or silly crap like that)
6. some picture taking/showing
7. quick and simple access to email/text/twitter

i think the current kindle fire does all these things, except the 10" screen.

100% agree. I want it for my Prime content and the points you list here. No Ipad redux.

Mr. Laz
07-19-2012, 01:23 PM
100% agree. I want it for my Prime content and the points you list here. No Ipad redux.
I think they will be surprised about how much market share they could grab if they keep it simple and the price down.

I think most people don't use half of the features in an Ipad and just want a basic device.

Fish
07-19-2012, 01:45 PM
I think they will be surprised about how much market share they could grab if they keep it simple and the price down.

I think most people don't use half of the features in an Ipad and just want a basic device.

I don't believe that makes much sense. Considering iPad sales vs. Kindle Fire sales, it would leave one to believe that the overwhelming majority want their tablet to do more, not less. The public has been offered countless cheap tablets, and all of them have flopped.

The Kindle's popularity and sales are directly related to the point in time when it became a full functioning tablet, instead of just an e-reader. That's what people want, and that's the direction they'll take it.

Bewbies
07-19-2012, 01:58 PM
I have a Fire. I love it for reading and despise it for pretty much everything else. The Android system it's on is wonky and the battery life sucks. The size is great, and consuming Amazon content on it is good too.

Having to restart it to watch Netflix, or the level of something like burn in on the screen when I switch screens isn't. Android sucks. Whenever I open the web it restores a tab to a site I closed out of 3 months ago. Always.

Then my company switched from the Inspire4G to the iPhone. Now all I do on the kindle is read, my iPhone is better for everything else. Including watching movies on the way smaller screen.

I would get an iPad over the Fire for everything I'd do on it except read. For that, the size and backlit screen (while in bed) make the Fire perfect for me.

Mr. Laz
07-19-2012, 02:14 PM
I don't believe that makes much sense. Considering iPad sales vs. Kindle Fire sales, it would leave one to believe that the overwhelming majority want their tablet to do more, not less. The public has been offered countless cheap tablets, and all of them have flopped.

The Kindle's popularity and sales are directly related to the point in time when it became a full functioning tablet, instead of just an e-reader. That's what people want, and that's the direction they'll take it.
lemme guess ... Apple fanboy?

Mr. Laz
07-19-2012, 02:15 PM
I have a Fire. I love it for reading and despise it for pretty much everything else. The Android system it's on is wonky and the battery life sucks. The size is great, and consuming Amazon content on it is good too.

Having to restart it to watch Netflix, or the level of something like burn in on the screen when I switch screens isn't. Android sucks. Whenever I open the web it restores a tab to a site I closed out of 3 months ago. Always.

Then my company switched from the Inspire4G to the iPhone. Now all I do on the kindle is read, my iPhone is better for everything else. Including watching movies on the way smaller screen.

I would get an iPad over the Fire for everything I'd do on it except read. For that, the size and backlit screen (while in bed) make the Fire perfect for me.
interesting

after reading this, maybe i will just go ahead an order the Transformer Infinity. :hmmm:

vailpass
07-19-2012, 03:33 PM
I don't believe that makes much sense. Considering iPad sales vs. Kindle Fire sales, it would leave one to believe that the overwhelming majority want their tablet to do more, not less. The public has been offered countless cheap tablets, and all of them have flopped.

The Kindle's popularity and sales are directly related to the point in time when it became a full functioning tablet, instead of just an e-reader. That's what people want, and that's the direction they'll take it.

Huh? Kindle Fire has been out for less than a year. They haven't introduced a 10 inch model yet. Let's look at market share next year and the year after and see.

vailpass
07-19-2012, 03:34 PM
I have a Fire. I love it for reading and despise it for pretty much everything else. The Android system it's on is wonky and the battery life sucks. The size is great, and consuming Amazon content on it is good too.

Having to restart it to watch Netflix, or the level of something like burn in on the screen when I switch screens isn't. Android sucks. Whenever I open the web it restores a tab to a site I closed out of 3 months ago. Always.

Then my company switched from the Inspire4G to the iPhone. Now all I do on the kindle is read, my iPhone is better for everything else. Including watching movies on the way smaller screen.

I would get an iPad over the Fire for everything I'd do on it except read. For that, the size and backlit screen (while in bed) make the Fire perfect for me.


Know how I know not to listen to anything you ever say about this subject?

jiveturkey
07-19-2012, 03:49 PM
I have the Fire and hacked it on the 3rd day. I'm currently running Ice Cream Sandwich and I can't image needing another tablet for a long time.

It does everything I need.

Fish
07-19-2012, 03:50 PM
Huh? Kindle Fire has been out for less than a year. They haven't introduced a 10 inch model yet. Let's look at market share next year and the year after and see.

The Kindle Fire is the 6th generation of Kindle now. And each generation has seen it get more complicated and more "iPad like". With the Kindle Fire, they even dropped their e-ink display, which was what made Kindle a better e-reader in the first place. They did all this to allow for more tablet capabilities.

And while the Kindle Fire has sold better than previous models, it still hasn't been as successful as Amazon hoped. To address that, they're increasing the next gen Kindle's capabilities, in hopes of making it more of an iPad competitor. They're not going to simplify it to keep it cheap, they're going the opposite direction. iPad has shown that price isn't the determining factor in choosing a tablet for the overwhelming majority.

DaFace
07-19-2012, 03:53 PM
I have the Fire and hacked it on the 3rd day. I'm currently running Ice Cream Sandwich and I can't image needing another tablet for a long time.

It does everything I need.

Yup. Honestly, my main complaint about the Fire is that the software's pretty clunky. In terms of hardware, it does just fine. That said, anyone who is looking for a real 7" Android tab these days shouldn't even consider anything other than the Nexus 7 (http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7).

vailpass
07-19-2012, 03:54 PM
The Kindle Fire is the 6th generation of Kindle now. And each generation has seen it get more complicated and more "iPad like". With the Kindle Fire, they even dropped their e-ink display, which was what made Kindle a better e-reader in the first place. They did all this to allow for more tablet capabilities.

And while the Kindle Fire has sold better than previous models, it still hasn't been as successful as Amazon hoped. To address that, they're increasing the next gen Kindle's capabilities, in hopes of making it more of an iPad competitor. They're not going to simplify it to keep it cheap, they're going the opposite direction. iPad has shown that price isn't the determining factor in choosing a tablet for the overwhelming majority.

Thanks, I see where you are coming from. I don't share your view that everyone wants their tablet to be an ipad but I understand your reasoning.

Fish
07-19-2012, 04:02 PM
Yup. Honestly, my main complaint about the Fire is that the software's pretty clunky. In terms of hardware, it does just fine. That said, anyone who is looking for a real 7" Android tab these days shouldn't even consider anything other than the Nexus 7 (http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7).

That's my favorite Android offering at the moment. The Nexus 10 is gonna be even better too. That should be one badass little tablet.

And you can run XBMC on Android tablets now too. Which makes them infinitely better as a media consumption device. It's still in development, but should be final soon, and will run without rooting. That jumps Android tablets up to iPad capable level by itself. At least least for what I use a tablet for..

XBMC for Android (http://xbmc.org/theuni/2012/07/13/xbmc-for-android/)

Mr. Laz
07-19-2012, 04:31 PM
Yup. Honestly, my main complaint about the Fire is that the software's pretty clunky. In terms of hardware, it does just fine. That said, anyone who is looking for a real 7" Android tab these days shouldn't even consider anything other than the Nexus 7 (http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7).
checked out the Transformer Infinity yet?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/25/asus-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700-review/

Bewbies
07-19-2012, 04:36 PM
Know how I know not to listen to anything you ever say about this subject?

Sure I do. Because I said the iPhone I own is better than the kindle fire I own or what I do based on my personal experience, I see why you'd see my massive bias.

I do like how you can find a comma on the iPhone keyboard, but my fire keyboard doesn't have one. That's a terrible bias. And despite that I love my fire...

Bewbies
07-19-2012, 04:38 PM
Yup. Honestly, my main complaint about the Fire is that the software's pretty clunky. In terms of hardware, it does just fine. That said, anyone who is looking for a real 7" Android tab these days shouldn't even consider anything other than the Nexus 7 (http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7).

I would agree on the software. Clunky is a good word.

DaFace
07-19-2012, 09:08 PM
checked out the Transformer Infinity yet?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/25/asus-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700-review/

I heard about it back when they announced it. Looks like a decent update for the Prime, but I'll live.

vailpass
07-20-2012, 12:00 PM
Sure I do. Because I said the iPhone I own is better than the kindle fire I own or what I do based on my personal experience, I see why you'd see my massive bias.

I do like how you can find a comma on the iPhone keyboard, but my fire keyboard doesn't have one. That's a terrible bias. And despite that I love my fire...

don't be offended by anything I say; it isn't meant as an attack. I'm mildly retarded, if that helps you put me in perspective.

Mr. Laz
07-20-2012, 01:11 PM
don't be offended by anything I say; it isn't meant as an attack. I'm mildly retarded, if that helps you put me in perspective.
at least you're honest


ROFL

jiveturkey
07-20-2012, 01:38 PM
Yup. Honestly, my main complaint about the Fire is that the software's pretty clunky. In terms of hardware, it does just fine. That said, anyone who is looking for a real 7" Android tab these days shouldn't even consider anything other than the Nexus 7 (http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7).

No doubt. If I was buying one today that's the tablet I would buy.

vailpass
07-20-2012, 01:55 PM
No doubt. If I was buying one today that's the tablet I would buy.

Do you mind sharing why? What does the Nexus 7 have over the new Kindle Fire?

ReynardMuldrake
07-20-2012, 02:09 PM
I have a Fire. I love it for reading and despise it for pretty much everything else. The Android system it's on is wonky and the battery life sucks. The size is great, and consuming Amazon content on it is good too.

Having to restart it to watch Netflix, or the level of something like burn in on the screen when I switch screens isn't. Android sucks. Whenever I open the web it restores a tab to a site I closed out of 3 months ago. Always.

Then my company switched from the Inspire4G to the iPhone. Now all I do on the kindle is read, my iPhone is better for everything else. Including watching movies on the way smaller screen.

I would get an iPad over the Fire for everything I'd do on it except read. For that, the size and backlit screen (while in bed) make the Fire perfect for me.

When I bought my Kindle I specifically picked the $99 black and white version. I want a device that just reads books, nothing more. For that I think it's great. Much lighter than the Fire and the battery lasts for weeks.

If I want to surf the web, I'll use my laptop, thank you very much.

DaFace
07-20-2012, 02:17 PM
Do you mind sharing why? What does the Nexus 7 have over the new Kindle Fire?

Pretty much everything except Amazon integration. I think Google was getting fed up with the other manufacturers taking so long to get good products out there affordably and decided to just do it themselves. The key points:


Much better screen resolution
Faster hardware
Bluetooth
Camera
GPS
Thinner and lighter
Jellybean

jiveturkey
07-20-2012, 03:27 PM
Pretty much everything except Amazon integration. I think Google was getting fed up with the other manufacturers taking so long to get good products out there affordably and decided to just do it themselves. The key points:


Much better screen resolution
Faster hardware
Bluetooth
Camera
GPS
Thinner and lighter
Jellybean

What he said. Amazon integration isn't of much use to me since I rooted my Fire and turned into into a regular Android tablet.

DaFace
07-20-2012, 03:32 PM
What he said. Amazon integration isn't of much use to me since I rooted my Fire and turned into into a regular Android tablet.

Has that worked pretty well? My wife has expressed some frustration with hers from time to time, so I've debated it. If so, got a ROM you recommend?

vailpass
07-20-2012, 04:52 PM
Pretty much everything except Amazon integration. I think Google was getting fed up with the other manufacturers taking so long to get good products out there affordably and decided to just do it themselves. The key points:


Much better screen resolution
Faster hardware
Bluetooth
Camera
GPS
Thinner and lighter
Jellybean


Thank you. Amazon integration is why I'd get a tablet but those are some key differences. Wonder if the next gen Fire will come with JellyBean? Or if they will be pushing JB out to the current Fire in an OTA update.

DaFace
07-20-2012, 05:00 PM
Thank you. Amazon integration is why I'd get a tablet but those are some key differences. Wonder if the next gen Fire will come with JellyBean? Or if they will be pushing JB out to the current Fire in an OTA update.

Doubtful. Amazon basically took Froyo and built their own system on top of it, but by the time they released it, Google was already almost ready to release ICS. The problem with that is that they have to continually either update their own OS or re-build everything on top of the most recent Android OS's. My guess is the new one will include a software update, but it almost definitely won't be Jellybean based unless they delay it by at least 6-12 months.

Another warning if you're considering the Fire is that they do lock down the apps you can run on it. You can only use apps from the Amazon Appstore, and they keep a lot of good ones off of there. My wife has a bunch of apps that I've had to sideload because Amazon doesn't want them on there (like Dropbox, Spotify, Google Music, Google Reader, and Instagram).

Basically, if you're wanting an "Android tablet," buy the Nexus 7. If you're wanting a media consumption device that can also run most (but not all) Android apps, the Fire will do the trick.

vailpass
07-21-2012, 09:04 AM
Doubtful. Amazon basically took Froyo and built their own system on top of it, but by the time they released it, Google was already almost ready to release ICS. The problem with that is that they have to continually either update their own OS or re-build everything on top of the most recent Android OS's. My guess is the new one will include a software update, but it almost definitely won't be Jellybean based unless they delay it by at least 6-12 months.

Another warning if you're considering the Fire is that they do lock down the apps you can run on it. You can only use apps from the Amazon Appstore, and they keep a lot of good ones off of there. My wife has a bunch of apps that I've had to sideload because Amazon doesn't want them on there (like Dropbox, Spotify, Google Music, Google Reader, and Instagram).

Basically, if you're wanting an "Android tablet," buy the Nexus 7. If you're wanting a media consumption device that can also run most (but not all) Android apps, the Fire will do the trick.

Thanks Face, this is very helpful. A media consumption device that maximizes my Prime membership is exactly what I want so I'll get the new Fire. If it feels small after a while I'll void the warranty.

Mr. Laz
07-21-2012, 10:02 AM
just ordered the Asus Transformer Infinity

http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1866/small_TF700_purple_051.jpg




*crossing fingers*

DaFace
07-21-2012, 10:26 AM
just ordered the Asus Transformer Infinity

http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1866/small_TF700_purple_051.jpg




*crossing fingers*

Nice. Aside from the fact that I had a pretty major bout with ASUS warranty service, I've been pretty happy with my Prime. ASUS appears to be one of the few manufacturers who is really trying to keep up with the software updates, so that's a nice bonus.

Although ASUS assured me that it was a rare problem, be gentle with the plug into the power port. I broke mine off plugging it in at a weird angle once, which is what caused the whole mess with their warranty.

jiveturkey
07-23-2012, 03:33 PM
Has that worked pretty well? My wife has expressed some frustration with hers from time to time, so I've debated it. If so, got a ROM you recommend?
Here's the ROM that I'm currently running.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1591869

I only ran the stock interface for 3 days before I jumped to CM7. Both CM7 and CM9 have run extremely well. I've noticed that my battery life took a bit of a hit when I moved to CM9 but it's not enough to send back to CM7.

vailpass
07-23-2012, 04:05 PM
Yup. Honestly, my main complaint about the Fire is that the software's pretty clunky. In terms of hardware, it does just fine. That said, anyone who is looking for a real 7" Android tab these days shouldn't even consider anything other than the Nexus 7 (http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7).

Quit telling everybody about the Nexus 7 Face. See what you did?

(Mashable) -- Demand for Google's 7-inch Nexus 7 tablet seems to have well exceeded the tech giant's expectations.

Last week, Google posted a message to its online store saying that shipments of the 16GB model were delayed one to two weeks. Now, the store has stopped taking orders altogether.

Those who want to purchase the $249 version of the tablet are told to sign up to be notified by e-mail when it is back in stock.

The 16GB version is also sold out at GameStop, Kmart, Sam's Club, Office Depot, Staples, B&H, Best Buy in Canada and, according to The Guardian, Tesco in the UK. The only place to get the device online at this point may be eBay.

Google is still accepting orders for the 8GB version however, which costs $199.

The 7-inch, Asus-built tablet, which began shipping earlier this month, is the first to run the latest version of Android, codename Jelly Bean. It has a 1280◊800 HD display (216 ppi) and a quad-core processor.

It has received widely positive reviews from the press ó our own Peter Pachal called it "the Android media tablet the Kindle Fire was supposed to be."


http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/tech/gaming-gadgets/google-orders-16g-nexus/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

DaFace
07-23-2012, 07:52 PM
Not too surprising, really. It's been reviewed incredibly well, and I think there are still quite a few people sitting on the sidelines and waiting for a high-quality tablet option in the $200-$300 range.

WoodDraw
07-25-2012, 01:51 PM
I'm interested to see what direction Amazon goes with their OS. Will they build the same skin off of an ICS base, or completely redesign it? Amazon depends a lot on what Google does, which has to be worrying for them.

cosmo20002
07-25-2012, 02:26 PM
don't be offended by anything I say; it isn't meant as an attack. I'm mildly retarded, if that helps you put me in perspective.

I fuking knew it.

cosmo20002
07-25-2012, 02:31 PM
Samsung Galaxy Tab 2?

DaFace
07-25-2012, 06:50 PM
I'm interested to see what direction Amazon goes with their OS. Will they build the same skin off of an ICS base, or completely redesign it? Amazon depends a lot on what Google does, which has to be worrying for them.

Yeah, it's kind of a bizarre business model. Their only options are to continue developing their own Froyo-based OS or completely redo all of their tweaks on a later version. You'd think it'd be easier for them to just live with a lighter-weight skin on top of the OS, but they wanted to have total control. I guess we'll see where they go with it.

NewChief
04-14-2014, 08:15 AM
Okay:

The boy got a kindle fire HD for Christmas. He loves the device. The FUCKING 1-touch shopping is KILLING me, though. This bullshit of not being able to at least password protect purchases (like the apple app store) is ridiculous. I'm going to have to start making him use a different account or delink the amazon account from the fire.

He isn't intentionally buying stuff, but he just starts screwing around on it looking at books and then hits purchase on accident. He's bought like 30 bucks worth of books in the last week.

KCFalcon59
04-14-2014, 08:39 AM
Have you tried this Go here (http://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201239620)

Frosty
04-14-2014, 09:02 AM
Have you tried this Go here (http://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201239620)


You can also disable In-app Purchasing in the Settings, under "Apps". That prevents you from buying coins and whatnot while playing games.

NewChief
09-10-2014, 07:48 AM
Not happy with this device. We've had it less than a year, and it's seen very light use. I have it in a lifeproof case. It's stuck in safe mode (evidently it has something to do with the volume controls being stuck, which they are), and it won't come out. Looking it up, this is a very common problem, but the listed fix isn't fixing mine.

In contrast, we've had 2 iPads for 3 years that have both seen extremely heavy use, and I've never had a single problem with either of them.

Frosty
09-10-2014, 12:56 PM
Not happy with this device. We've had it less than a year, and it's seen very light use. I have it in a lifeproof case. It's stuck in safe mode (evidently it has something to do with the volume controls being stuck, which they are), and it won't come out. Looking it up, this is a very common problem, but the listed fix isn't fixing mine.

In contrast, we've had 2 iPads for 3 years that have both seen extremely heavy use, and I've never had a single problem with either of them.

That's too bad. Both my son and I have HD 8.9s and use them almost daily with no problems (mine was new Christmas before last and his was a refurb last fall).

Sucks you got a lemon.

I'm still trying to convince my boss that I need an iPad since all of our dealers and field guys use them. He did mention that a Surface might be in the cards.