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Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 11:47 AM
After Batman beat Bane he yelled "YO ADRIAN"

tk13
07-29-2012, 11:55 AM
I liked the movie, but reading criticisms punches a few holes in it.

I don't buy the way Batman beat Bane after reflecting on it at.

It's lazy, sloppy screenwriting.

You're still trying too hard. I agree it was a bit Rocky, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was lazy screenwriting. You're trying too hard to be pretentious. There are literally thousands of movies that are told as redemption stories.

Although I think there's a bit more to it than that. Bruce went into that first fight almost expecting to die. He even asked Bane that after he beat him down. Bruce had become a recluse and had become a selfish, distrusting person.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 12:10 PM
I didn't even come up with that, I'm hardly trying to be critical. But it hits home pretty hard.

What Batman did didn't feel like a Batman solution. It felt like generic action hero bullshit.

Lazy, sloppy, unsatisfying.

Mr. Plow
07-29-2012, 01:21 PM
So, indeed, the child is mentioned first, the implication/assumption is put forth that it's Bane, and then they mention the plague/mask, and then go right back to the child story. So, clearly, unless Bane somehow grew up outside the hole, then accidentally tripped and fell back in, it's impossible for him to get beaten up and need the mask.

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First scene of Batman in the prison (after the one where Bane tells him his plan and says, "When Gotham is in ashes, then you have my permission to die."

Warden: "They pay me more than that to keep you alive."

(prisoners tying rope around one man)

W: "He will try to climb."

Batman: "Has anyone ever made it?"

W: "Of course not."

(man fails)

(blind old man in other cell mumbles in foreign language)

W: "He says there is one who did. A child. A child born in this hell."

B: "Bane?"

W: "An old legend. Nothing more."

Next scene in the prison, after Bane sets off all the bombs and gives his speech in the football stadium and then frees everyone in the prison.

(Batman falls out of bed onto floor, tries to get up.)

(Old blind man muttering.)

W: "He says you must first fix your back."

B: "How does he know?"

W: "He was the prison doctor, (and) a morphine addict... (inaudible dialogue, something about "he took care of the prisoners here" I think)... including your master, Bane. Many years ago, it was a time of plague. Some of the other prsoners attacked Bane. In the doctor's fumbling attempts to repair the damage, it left him in perpetual agony. The mask holds the pain at bay."

B: "Bane, is the child you spoke of, he was born here?"

(story of the warlord's daughter)

W: "This is Bane's prison now, he wouldn't want this story told."


Ok, that's how I remember it. It's never said that the child is Bane, but it's never said that it isn't. Just that the prison is his. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the story of Bane protecting the child doesn't come up until the end of the move with Talia....is that right?

Mr. Plow
07-29-2012, 01:26 PM
He got his ass kicked by Bane earlier.

Now he gets his back broken, does a few pushups and pullups in a hole, and he can come back and beat Bane?

It's sloppy as shit and not very satisfying, RAR BATROCKY BEAT HIM moment or not.


Did you expect them to spend an hour showing his full recovery? No, you didn't. They do that in movies all the time. Show a person weak....then show them "working through it"....then show them back to full strength. Why?....because nobody wants to see an hour of them doing exercises.

Direckshun
07-29-2012, 01:37 PM
It should be mentioned that the greater physical feat here was not having his disk bulged by Bane and then recovering from it, but not dying from getting stabbed in the ribs.

Superturtle
07-29-2012, 01:45 PM
Bane implys that Batman is weak from not training for 8 years during the first fight. Saying something like peace has made you weak, victory has defeated you.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 02:33 PM
Did you expect them to spend an hour showing his full recovery? No, you didn't. They do that in movies all the time. Show a person weak....then show them "working through it"....then show them back to full strength. Why?....because nobody wants to see an hour of them doing exercises.

I don't need to see that.

I need to see a more believable scenario than "Batman beats on Bane's mask, a weakness Bane had no idea could render him helpless."

Mr. Plow
07-29-2012, 02:37 PM
I don't need to see that.

I need to see a more believable scenario than "Batman beats on Bane's mask, a weakness Bane had no idea could render him helpless."

It plays into the whole "fear of death" deal. He lost he first time because he didn't fear death. The second fight he was afraid of death, therefore making him fight harder because he didn't want to die.

At least that's my take on it.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 02:39 PM
He fought harder! Batman is Rocky!

Weak.

Bruce Wayne is a fucking genius. He should have done something clever instead of RARGH IT'S BAT POWER TIME. It cheapens the character.

JD10367
07-29-2012, 02:41 PM
Ok, that's how I remember it. It's never said that the child is Bane, but it's never said that it isn't. Just that the prison is his. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the story of Bane protecting the child doesn't come up until the end of the move with Talia....is that right?

It's mentioned in that whole scene at the end of my post which I summed up as "story of the warlord's daughter" (although I obviously mistyped and meant to say "story of the warlord's g/f"). Batman's warden talks about how the warlord was supposed to go in the hole, his pregnant g/f went in instead, the child was raised in the hole, one day the doctor forgot to lock the gate, the prisoners came for the woman, the child tries to attack them, the child's protector grabs the child, they show the protector crouching down behind a wall with the child and we assume the mother is raped/killed, and through all of that we are working on the erroneous assumption that the child is Bane and the protector is unknown, when in reality the child is Tania and the protector is Bane. Point being, if we're supposed to be working under the assumption, as Bruce Wayne is, that the child is Bane, then the fact that Bane is attacked by the inmates and thus needs the mask makes no sense at all. (In fact, in this whole scene, they show the child climbing to freedom while the protector is pulled down by the prisoners, so if we'd simply stopped and thought about it...)

ThaVirus
07-29-2012, 02:42 PM
Bruce Wayne is a ****ing genius. He should have done something clever instead of RARGH IT'S BAT POWER TIME. It cheapens the character.

Something clever like what?

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 03:17 PM
Something clever like what?

Beats me. I'm not a genius gazillionaire, or a highly-acclaimed director writing one.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 03:20 PM
Here's a real easy solution:

Bruce figures out Talia was the kid Bane got fucked up protecting.

Bruce attacks her/captures her instead of attacking Bane, in order to get him at a disadvantage/take advantage of his emotional attachment.

That is pretty shallow and still would have been a lot better than RARGH BATMAN PUNCH HARD.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 03:22 PM
Also, Catwoman saving Batman's ass at the last second was really stupid.

We didn't even hear the batpod making noise busting in? Come on.

ThaVirus
07-29-2012, 04:23 PM
Here's a real easy solution:

Bruce figures out Talia was the kid Bane got ****ed up protecting.

Bruce attacks her/captures her instead of attacking Bane, in order to get him at a disadvantage/take advantage of his emotional attachment.

That is pretty shallow and still would have been a lot better than RARGH BATMAN PUNCH HARD.

That sounds even less characteristic of Batman than a straight up brawl.

Direckshun
07-29-2012, 04:28 PM
Also, Catwoman saving Batman's ass at the last second was really stupid.

We didn't even hear the batpod making noise busting in? Come on.

Aren't you a fan of the Lord of the Rings?

Mr. Plow
07-29-2012, 04:35 PM
It's mentioned in that whole scene at the end of my post which I summed up as "story of the warlord's daughter" (although I obviously mistyped and meant to say "story of the warlord's g/f"). Batman's warden talks about how the warlord was supposed to go in the hole, his pregnant g/f went in instead, the child was raised in the hole, one day the doctor forgot to lock the gate, the prisoners came for the woman, the child tries to attack them, the child's protector grabs the child, they show the protector crouching down behind a wall with the child and we assume the mother is raped/killed, and through all of that we are working on the erroneous assumption that the child is Bane and the protector is unknown, when in reality the child is Tania and the protector is Bane. Point being, if we're supposed to be working under the assumption, as Bruce Wayne is, that the child is Bane, then the fact that Bane is attacked by the inmates and thus needs the mask makes no sense at all. (In fact, in this whole scene, they show the child climbing to freedom while the protector is pulled down by the prisoners, so if we'd simply stopped and thought about it...)


you're right....I knew you'd know with your access to the movie. I just couldn't remember the whole scene.

JD10367
07-29-2012, 04:38 PM
Also, Catwoman saving Batman's ass at the last second was really stupid.

We didn't even hear the batpod making noise busting in? Come on.

Batman had kicked Bane through the door. It wasn't there.

Jerm
07-29-2012, 04:52 PM
The greatest cinematic experience I've had since..........The Dark Knight. It was even better for me than watching The Avengers in the theater, and I loved The Avengers.

An absolute epic masterpiece, just not enough words and superlatives for me to rave about...love it, seeing it again ASAP.

Nolan's vision of Batman, the characters, and his world are paralleled by NO OTHER incarnation of Batman...he is the ruler. The way he was able to make three distinct films that were all incredible while tying in ALL of them into one tight story was just remarkable IMO.

LOTR is my favorite movie trilogy but Nolan's Batman is like 1/4 of a step behind it.

MIND...BLOWN...

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 05:02 PM
That sounds even less characteristic of Batman than a straight up brawl.

Bruce Wayne is a cunning genius. He'd think up something even more ingenious to defeat Bane if it came down to it.

To reduce him to Rocky in black kevlar is cheap, shitty writing.

How do you think he got out of this?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1050780-azrael__99_pg06_super.jpg

luv
07-29-2012, 05:10 PM
Is GoChiefs going against the norm again? How unusual.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 05:36 PM
*shrug*

It's a pretty valid complaint.

I liked the movie, but that scene felt off.

Batman wouldn't just go charging in against a guy who swatted him like a fly the first time.

Reaper16
07-29-2012, 05:47 PM
Batman wouldn't just go charging in against a guy who swatted him like a fly the first time.

No, see, he would charge Bane because he became scared to die!

Err, um, wut.

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 06:03 PM
Here's a real easy solution:

Bruce figures out Talia was the kid Bane got fucked up protecting.

Bruce attacks her/captures her instead of attacking Bane, in order to get him at a disadvantage/take advantage of his emotional attachment.

That is pretty shallow and still would have been a lot better than RARGH BATMAN PUNCH HARD.

I disagree. That's not a better ending. IMO.

No, see, he would charge Bane because he became scared to die!

Err, um, wut.

He was merely trying to save Gotham. He sacrificed himself in the end anyway. Plus he needed the trigger, which everybody believed Bane had. How was he going to get it?

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 06:05 PM
Batman is a lot smarter than CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE.

In fact you can argue him charging into that giant fight like a deus ex machina was about the dumbest course of action he could possibly take if he wanted to survive and save Gotham.

Given the complicated machinations foisted upon us by Nolan at other times during the movie, it sure was a WTF sequence. I mean, how about taking out the dumb Talia subplot and putting a little more thought into the main character?

Probably took the movie down about 2 points for me.

lcarus
07-29-2012, 06:25 PM
I was hoping for a Talia vs Catwoman fight at the end. Would have been cool.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 06:37 PM
I was hoping for a Talia vs Catwoman fight at the end. Would have been cool.

Sounds like a waste of time. Catwoman's only function in the movie was to help Batman. Her character arc was very shallow.

Movie needed more Batman and more JGL. They should have had JGL do a lot of Catwoman's shit.

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 07:29 PM
Batman is a lot smarter than CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE.

In fact you can argue him charging into that giant fight like a deus ex machina was about the dumbest course of action he could possibly take if he wanted to survive and save Gotham.

Given the complicated machinations foisted upon us by Nolan at other times during the movie, it sure was a WTF sequence. I mean, how about taking out the dumb Talia subplot and putting a little more thought into the main character?

Probably took the movie down about 2 points for me.

Sounds like a waste of time. Catwoman's only function in the movie was to help Batman. Her character arc was very shallow.

Movie needed more Batman and more JGL. They should have had JGL do a lot of Catwoman's shit.

I can kind of agree with both of those in theory, but IMO the twist was good and Nolan made it work. It could have maybe been a little better without those things but the movie was so damn good (IMO of course) why change it.

The one thing Catwoman was good for was adding to the horror of batman getting shitkicked. I thought her contribution to that scene was tremendous.

luv
07-29-2012, 07:39 PM
Sounds like a waste of time. Catwoman's only function in the movie was to help Batman. Her character arc was very shallow.

Movie needed more Batman and more JGL. They should have had JGL do a lot of Catwoman's shit.

Did you say you liked this movie? Doesn't sound like it.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 07:42 PM
I love it like fat chicks love cake.

I enjoyed the steak dinner Nolan served up last time, more, though.

Sure-Oz
07-29-2012, 08:18 PM
Saw it again and loved it the same. The 2nd fight I agree could've been better. But didn't batman not know that mask was a 'weakness' until after the prison? That said he did in a way get higher ground and not going all out charging the 2nd time. Bane was beaten until Talia snuck in.

I'll likely see it one more time.

lcarus
07-29-2012, 08:21 PM
Sounds like a waste of time. Catwoman's only function in the movie was to help Batman. Her character arc was very shallow.

Movie needed more Batman and more JGL. They should have had JGL do a lot of Catwoman's shit.

I agree that Catwoman's role in the story was pretty shallow in a way, and a Talia/Catwoman "cat fight" would have been pretty shallow as well, but I would have liked to see it just because I'm a dork like that.

Sure-Oz
07-29-2012, 08:21 PM
I love it like fat chicks love cake.

I enjoyed the steak dinner Nolan served up last time, more, though.

I'd say Batman was smarter in the dark knight but he had gone through alot after that movie. he definitely was older, more broken. This was the end of Batman's time obviously regardless...alot of personal emotion and anger was involved in his decisions unlike the first 2 flicks.

Just my 2 cents.

lcarus
07-29-2012, 08:24 PM
Saw it again and loved it the same. The 2nd fight I agree could've been better. But didn't batman not know that mask was a 'weakness' until after the prison? That said he did in a way get higher ground and not going all out charging the 2nd time. Bane was beaten until Talia snuck in.

I'll likely see it one more time.

I saw it for a second time this weekend as well, and I still liked it too. One thing I still don't get after 2 viewings - probably because I'm stupid - but how did Bruce Wayne all of a sudden lose every penny he had? I didn't understand that part of the movie, with him losing everything, losing his spot on the board, and trusting "Talia" with whatever he trusted her with. Could someone explain? If he lost everything and was no longer a part of the company, how did he have any right to give Talia whatever power he gave her? Like I said, I may be just retarded for not getting it. It does seem kinda far fetched that all of a sudden a billionaire could be broke overnight like that, but I at least would like to know how it happened in the movie.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 08:38 PM
Because Nolan concocted a bullshit scene in the stock market that wouldn't have resulted in a billionaire going broke in reality.

lcarus
07-29-2012, 08:44 PM
Because Nolan concocted a bullshit scene in the stock market that wouldn't have resulted in a billionaire going broke in reality.

Yeah but what exactly did they do.

luv
07-29-2012, 08:49 PM
Because Nolan concocted a bullshit scene in the stock market that wouldn't have resulted in a billionaire going broke in reality.

What did you like about the movie?

unothadeal
07-29-2012, 08:55 PM
Yeah but what exactly did they do.

He bought futures contracts in Wayne's name using the fingerprints Selina Kyle stole. I saw the movie last week so I don't remember too well but my guess is he used Bruce's money to bet on securities that would tank (especially after the attack on the stock exchange)

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 09:01 PM
What did you like about the movie?

It provoked emotional reactions in me over characters I cared about. And it was cool as fuck.

It wasn't as tight as the first two films, though.

luv
07-29-2012, 09:01 PM
He bought futures contracts in Wayne's name using the fingerprints Selina Kyle stole. I saw the movie last week so I don't remember too well but my guess is he used Bruce's money to bet on securities that would tank (especially after the attack on the stock exchange)

And they knew which stocks would tank.

listopencil
07-29-2012, 09:29 PM
Because Nolan concocted a bullshit scene in the stock market that wouldn't have resulted in a billionaire going broke in reality.

Wasn't there a mention in the movie that this would be straightened out but it would take time? During the board meeting the bad guy temporarily took control on a technicality, and because the board members mistrusted the playboy Bruce Wayne image as I recall. It was a bit complicated and there was other stuff going on but I thought that's what happened. Not that it was a long term goal to destroy the company but to paint Wayne as irresponsible to pave the way for a coup.

Count Zarth
07-29-2012, 09:34 PM
He lost all his money during an attack on the stock exchange. It would have been ID'd as fraud pretty quickly in RL

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 09:37 PM
I saw it for a second time this weekend as well, and I still liked it too. One thing I still don't get after 2 viewings - probably because I'm stupid - but how did Bruce Wayne all of a sudden lose every penny he had? I didn't understand that part of the movie, with him losing everything, losing his spot on the board, and trusting "Talia" with whatever he trusted her with. Could someone explain? If he lost everything and was no longer a part of the company, how did he have any right to give Talia whatever power he gave her? Like I said, I may be just retarded for not getting it. It does seem kinda far fetched that all of a sudden a billionaire could be broke overnight like that, but I at least would like to know how it happened in the movie.

Basically he bought and/or sold contracts on the futures market. And then they went the other way, meaning his position lost money. He had to lose everything to make the margin call.

Think of it as you buying a contract of corn (5,000 bu) at $6. Then the price goes down to $5.00. You now owe $1,000 to the brokerage. That's what Bane did.

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 09:38 PM
He lost all his money during an attack on the stock exchange. It would have been ID'd as fraud pretty quickly in RL

Give it a rest dude. There was all sorts of financial shit that wouldn't be allowed IRL. Suspend belief and let it go.

Mr. Plow
07-29-2012, 09:49 PM
I can't imagine how some of you enjoy going to the movies.

luv
07-29-2012, 09:50 PM
I can't imagine how some of you enjoy going to the movies.

No shit. I don't go to the movies to see real life. I get enough of that every day.

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 09:51 PM
I can't imagine how some of you enjoy going to the movies.

That's what I said. I think if I looked at it hard enough, I could find all this nitpicky shit in any movie. Plot points are one thing, "it would be figured out IRL" crap would kill any movie.

Mr. Plow
07-29-2012, 09:52 PM
That's what I said. I think if I looked at it hard enough, I could find all this nitpicky shit in any movie. Plot points are one thing, "it would be figured out IRL" crap would kill any movie.


Exactly.

JASONSAUTO
07-29-2012, 09:52 PM
It's a movie and not real life for a reason.

I hate it when people cry that a movie isn't realistic enough.
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JD10367
07-29-2012, 09:55 PM
Because Nolan concocted a bullshit scene in the stock market that wouldn't have resulted in a billionaire going broke in reality.

If you'd unwad your "I WANNA DRESS LIKE ROBIN AND GO DOWN BATMAN'S BATPOLE" panties, you'd remember that Wayne Enterprises was already almost broke. This was well-established in many scenes--the fact that he was a recluse, his conversation with Morgan Freeman about how he mothballed the nuclear project he'd been funneling money into, the fact that he'd lost touch with reality and wasn't paying attention to his company any more and didn't even know they weren't funding the Boys' Home, etc.,. While still wealthy, Wayne was nowhere near the bazillionaire he was before, and the stock market move pushed his dwindling fortune over the edge.

Direckshun
07-29-2012, 09:59 PM
Can somebody describe the Bane/Talia plot to take over Wayne Enterprises?

The motivation, the strategy?

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 10:15 PM
Can somebody describe the Bane/Talia plot to take over Wayne Enterprises?

The motivation, the strategy?

They wanted to get control of the fusion reactor.

Bruce Wayne lost all of his money and had to dump his shares of Wayne Enterprises. In order to not let the dude that Bane offed get the company, they elected Talia the CEO.

Silock
07-29-2012, 10:34 PM
That's what I said. I think if I looked at it hard enough, I could find all this nitpicky shit in any movie. Plot points are one thing, "it would be figured out IRL" crap would kill any movie.

I see that, but it just kinda sucks that they couldn't find something that was a *tad* more realistic and logical. Even if they said at the end of the movie that he got all his money back because they figured out it was fraud, I would have been satisfied.

I still love the movie. My fave of the 3, by far.

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 10:41 PM
I see that, but it just kinda sucks that they couldn't find something that was a *tad* more realistic and logical. Even if they said at the end of the movie that he got all his money back because they figured out it was fraud, I would have been satisfied.

I still love the movie. My fave of the 3, by far.

I don't necessarily think it is as egrigous as you think. There was a broker for Chase that fucked up and hit the wrong number and lost like 4 Billion dollars. I'm not sure if it ever got worked out, but especially if the exchange was in disarray for awhile.

It is certainly easy enough to suspend belief for a movie.

Silock
07-29-2012, 10:52 PM
A fuckup is different than outright fraud, though.

It's more difficult to suspend that part than it is for something like the Avengers and Thor being a Norse god. In TDKR, it's supposed to be fairly "realistic," whereas the Avengers is just straight up comic book fantasy and fun. There's no real expectation of a sense of reality there, but there very much IS for TDKR.

Reaper16
07-29-2012, 11:00 PM
I can't imagine how some of you enjoy going to the movies.

No shit. I don't go to the movies to see real life. I get enough of that every day.

That's what I said. I think if I looked at it hard enough, I could find all this nitpicky shit in any movie. Plot points are one thing, "it would be figured out IRL" crap would kill any movie.

Exactly.

God damn, watch better movies please.

Chiefspants
07-29-2012, 11:20 PM
Similar to Nolan's previous works, this movie was an incredible inspiration to me in terms plot development/rising actions/plot twists. Some may feel that Nolan's affinity for plot twists may be a creative weakness, but, his plot twists are such a breath of fresh air compared to the "standard" movies I've seen as of late.

There were a few occasions where I had to leave reality at the door throughout the movie, but, I didn't have to this any more than I had to for the previous works in the trilogy. It's a necessity to suspend reality for many forms of visual entertainment, and when examining TDKR, I do not believe I had to put aside reality any more than I had to for a movie like "Drive," which was my favorite movie of 2011.

All in all, it was an "A" movie for me, and probably my second favorite of the trilogy. (But I'll need to see it again before I can say that with certainty.)

SnakeXJones
07-29-2012, 11:25 PM
This movie will be the first ever I will see a second time in theaters

Gravedigger
07-29-2012, 11:35 PM
Don't complain about realism in this movie when in the first movie he called bats by pressing a button on a remote on the bottom of his boot. It's a comic book superhero, grow up and understand that you have to suspend reality in movies.

Buehler445
07-29-2012, 11:38 PM
A fuckup is different than outright fraud, though.

It's more difficult to suspend that part than it is for something like the Avengers and Thor being a Norse god. In TDKR, it's supposed to be fairly "realistic," whereas the Avengers is just straight up comic book fantasy and fun. There's no real expectation of a sense of reality there, but there very much IS for TDKR.

Are you kidding? TDK had a bunch of suspend reality moments too. Particularly with the money parts.

God damn, watch better movies please.

Give me some good movies to watch. Seriously. PM me if you want. Ive been seriously needing some great movie injection into my life. It's been kind of stale for me lately.

Silock
07-29-2012, 11:44 PM
Are you kidding? TDK had a bunch of suspend reality moments too. Particularly with the money parts.

Of course. All the movies did. This instance, in particular, stuck out more than the others to the point that it bothers me. Maybe it's because it's tied in with the stock market scene, which seemed completely unnecessary. The warp-speed sunset was crazy. I mean, I can suspend disbelief that there's a vehicle out there called the Bat that flies faster than missiles, but it's much more difficult to believe that the earth rotates more quickly in the Batman universe . . .

Like I said, though, it's my favorite out of all of the Nolan Batman movies, even though it does have some pretty obvious flaws in the storyline. That's okay, though. I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

Mr. Plow
07-30-2012, 07:08 AM
God damn, watch better movies please.

Meh. I watch all kinds of movies, I just don't feel the need to tear them apart. To each their own.

The only movies I tore apart would have been the Harry Potter movies and that was only because I read the books.

Guru
07-30-2012, 07:11 AM
Don't complain about realism in this movie when in the first movie he called bats by pressing a button on a remote on the bottom of his boot. It's a comic book superhero, grow up and understand that you have to suspend reality in movies.

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patteeu
07-30-2012, 07:27 AM
It's a movie and not real life for a reason.

I hate it when people cry that a movie isn't realistic enough.
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Especially when it's a fantasy/scifi/superhero movie like this one.

Amnorix
07-30-2012, 07:47 AM
Yeah, that. The twist was that Wayne somehow didn't die when piloting the nuke out to sea.



Someone else may already have indicated this, but Wayne fixed the auto-pilot on the thing. There was a reference afterwards to, errr, Morgan Freeman's character looking into the previously broken auto-pilot that he had mentioned someone with more free time than he had (i.e. Wayne) should fix, and he got a report back that it had been fixed six months ago.

So apparently long before the thing blew, he set the autopilot and jumped out.

Amnorix
07-30-2012, 07:49 AM
I see that, but it just kinda sucks that they couldn't find something that was a *tad* more realistic and logical. Even if they said at the end of the movie that he got all his money back because they figured out it was fraud, I would have been satisfied.

I still love the movie. My fave of the 3, by far.


So you complain about this, but the 10 year old (or whatever) girl jumping the distance to get out the pit, when many highly conditioned, full grown men, can't, was ok with you?

Or the stunning discovery that dislocated vertebrae can be fixed by pounding them back into place?

Your ability to suspend disbelief needs a little fine tuning...

Micjones
07-30-2012, 07:58 AM
So apparently long before the thing blew, he set the autopilot and jumped out.

If I'm not mistaken though...We see a shot of him still in the Batwing just 5 seconds before the bomb detonates.

How could he have jumped out and escaped the blast radius with only 5 seconds to spare?

luv
07-30-2012, 08:15 AM
God damn, watch better movies please.

I watch great movies. I just don't pick them apart to the point where it sounds like I hate them.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-30-2012, 08:17 AM
If I'm not mistaken though...We see a shot of him still in the Batwing just 5 seconds before the bomb detonates.

How could he have jumped out and escaped the blast radius with only 5 seconds to spare?

When he fixed the Bat autopilot, he also installed an impenetrable outer shell, which protected him from the blast.

patteeu
07-30-2012, 08:19 AM
When he fixed the Bat autopilot, he also installed an impenetrable outer shell, which protected him from the blast.

Plus, his bat suit is lined with a radiation shield per issue #231 of The Dark Knight Chronicles.*





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* OK, I made that up. I was just trying to sound comic booky.

mikeyis4dcats.
07-30-2012, 08:45 AM
If I'm not mistaken though...We see a shot of him still in the Batwing just 5 seconds before the bomb detonates.

How could he have jumped out and escaped the blast radius with only 5 seconds to spare?

you saw him in A Bat. Not THE Bat.

lcarus
07-30-2012, 09:17 AM
When he fixed the Bat autopilot, he also installed an impenetrable outer shell, which protected him from the blast.

Or he was in a different Bat? Who knows...

Micjones
07-30-2012, 09:26 AM
you saw him in A Bat. Not THE Bat.

When did he have time to switch Batwings?
The bomb was hitched to the Batwing 2 minutes before it was set to detonate.

CoMoChief
07-30-2012, 10:14 AM
Really there are only 2 things I didn't like about this movie.

1. The Pittsburgh Steelers players cameo during the Gotham Football game. Saw Ward, Roethlisberger, and I think even Pouncey. Most die hard football fans would point out Ward and Roethlisberger in a heartbeat. It's just weird IMO, especially in a movie that's not sports related.

2. Didn't like the way Bane was taken out. Would have much rather had Batman rip his entire mask off and then go to town on him. Instead Catwoman blew him away with the Batbike.

Reaper16
07-30-2012, 10:45 AM
I watch great movies. I just don't pick them apart to the point where it sounds like I hate them.

People aren't able to pick apart great movies. It's one of the things that makes them great.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-30-2012, 10:46 AM
Or he was in a different Bat? Who knows...

Nope. Impenetrable covering. :harumph:

Fried Meat Ball!
07-30-2012, 10:46 AM
When did he have time to switch Batwings?
The bomb was hitched to the Batwing 2 minutes before it was set to detonate.

The only time he could have done it was when the building explodes, when JGL sees the Bat fly out.

Silock
07-30-2012, 12:39 PM
So you complain about this, but the 10 year old (or whatever) girl jumping the distance to get out the pit, when many highly conditioned, full grown men, can't, was ok with you?

Or the stunning discovery that dislocated vertebrae can be fixed by pounding them back into place?

Your ability to suspend disbelief needs a little fine tuning...

So what? Maybe it does. It still bothers me, but not enough to not enjoy the movie. I don't think you guys get that.

mikeyis4dcats.
07-30-2012, 01:00 PM
The only time he could have done it was when the building explodes, when JGL sees the Bat fly out.

that's the working theory...

lcarus
07-30-2012, 01:06 PM
Nope. Impenetrable covering. :harumph:

Must be a pretty damn good covering to survive sitting on a nuclear bomb as it goes off.

JD10367
07-30-2012, 01:14 PM
Really there are only 2 things I didn't like about this movie.

1. The Pittsburgh Steelers players cameo during the Gotham Football game. Saw Ward, Roethlisberger, and I think even Pouncey. Most die hard football fans would point out Ward and Roethlisberger in a heartbeat. It's just weird IMO, especially in a movie that's not sports related.

It was filmed in Pittsburgh, in their stadium. (Hence the black and gold.)

CoMoChief
07-30-2012, 01:15 PM
Must be a pretty damn good covering to survive sitting on a nuclear bomb as it goes off.

The ending was that Bruce Wayne's Batman had died in the blast, but those close to him know that's not the case, as the auto-pilot was fixed. How Bruce managed to escape from the Batwing, I'm not sure - the movie didn't show that part.

But what it did show was Alfred sitting at the table and visioning his "dream" that Bruce was with his significant other (Selina Kyle) sitting across the restaurant from him. Bruce Wayne had moved on, and JGL found the Batcave etc.

My assumptions is that if there is ever another movie, it will star JGL as Batman (or Robin). I can't see them trying to make a lot of money off of trying to market "Robin" though. Though I could be wrong. Marvel is doing "Ant Man", which IMO would be a MUCH worse following than Robin, probably the biggest name sidekick in pop culture.

CoMoChief
07-30-2012, 01:16 PM
It was filmed in Pittsburgh, in their stadium. (Hence the black and gold.)

I know that.

Still doesn't change my mind on what I thought about it. Just thought it was cheesy.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-30-2012, 01:20 PM
Must be a pretty damn good covering to survive sitting on a nuclear bomb as it goes off.

It's made out of cockroaches.

mr. tegu
07-30-2012, 02:03 PM
People aren't able to pick apart great movies. It's one of the things that makes them great.

Such as? I have some free time and could use some suggestions.

Reaper16
07-30-2012, 02:09 PM
Such as? I have some free time and could use some suggestions.

You want me to give you a list of great films? Such a thing, partially defined through critical consensus, is easily Googlable. You could start with Roger Ebert's list that is literally titled Great Movies. http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=greatmovies_first100

lcarus
07-30-2012, 02:09 PM
It's made out of cockroaches.

Oh well...you didn't say THAT. It's all falling into place now. :thumb:

Fried Meat Ball!
07-30-2012, 02:22 PM
Oh well...you didn't say THAT. It's all falling into place now. :thumb:

There will be a montage of him building it a la Days of Thunder in the director's cut, as well as a previously cut scene titled "Rising" in which Bruce trains for the climb out of the pit set to Push It to the Limit by Pete Bellotte. It's. Fucking. Awesome.

lcarus
07-30-2012, 02:32 PM
There will be a montage of him building it a la Days of Thunder in the director's cut, as well as a previously cut scene titled "Rising" in which Bruce trains for the climb out of the pit set to Push It to the Limit by Pete Bellotte. It's. Fucking. Awesome.

Can't wait haha

DJ's left nut
07-30-2012, 03:30 PM
Actually, it took my 20th viewing to notice that loophole. When Batman is in the prison, his helper/warden is telling him how a child escaped, and how we assume that child is Bane. In the same scene, I believe, he mentions that Bane was beaten by the prisoners and how the mask "controls the pain". Well, if supposedly we are led to believe a child escaped, and the child is Bane... how the fuck did the adult Bane get beaten by prisoners to the point of needing a pain-controlling mask? :shrug:

As for Bane being dispatched quickly, I also felt that to be a bit cheap. He'd been built up all through the film as this combination of cerebral anarchy/socialism and physical power. And as soon as Talia reveals herself as the child, Catwoman blows Bane literally out of the film with the Batcycle's guns. Seems like a rude and unfitting end to a guy who was built up all film as "the baddie".

I picked that up immediately, but the action is pretty intense at that point.

It's not like it was hard to spot, but given all that was going on at the time, it was hard to process. I realized it and didn't think that Bane was the child that climbed from the pit, but everytime I started to try to think about who it could be or why the inconsistency, something else happened to distract me from it.

I honestly wonder if that wasn't by design. Unless you tune the movie out for 15 minutes and start pondering, there's just not a good moment to get much beyond the "wait...so Bane isn't the child" moment. And even that one is likely brushed off by most of the viewing audience as a product of their own misunderstanding.

For the record; loved the movie. I love 'beginning' type stories and I think that's why I like Begins and even this one better than TDK. TDK is just Batman whupin' ass and using gadgets the whole time. Both Begins and Rises have a 'rebuild' story to them and I love those.

lcarus
07-30-2012, 03:44 PM
I picked that up immediately, but the action is pretty intense at that point.

It's not like it was hard to spot, but given all that was going on at the time, it was hard to process. I realized it and didn't think that Bane was the child that climbed from the pit, but everytime I started to try to think about who it could be or why the inconsistency, something else happened to distract me from it.

I honestly wonder if that wasn't by design. Unless you tune the movie out for 15 minutes and start pondering, there's just not a good moment to get much beyond the "wait...so Bane isn't the child" moment. And even that one is likely brushed off by most of the viewing audience as a product of their own misunderstanding.

For the record; loved the movie. I love 'beginning' type stories and I think that's why I like Begins and even this one better than TDK. TDK is just Batman whupin' ass and using gadgets the whole time. Both Begins and Rises have a 'rebuild' story to them and I love those.

They're all good movies but I love TDK the best just for Ledger's Joker. I think performances like that make a movie go from 'really really good' to 'great'. I think Begins and TDKR are both really really good but TDK is great and the most memorable because of the Joker. Plus...Two-Face is pretty much my favorite Batman villain.

Also, Begins and Rises both take a while for Batman to show up, and TDK, being the middle movie, pretty much starts off right away with Batman action. I could be wrong, but I think it had the most Batman action out of the trilogy. It's kinda why I liked Spider-Man 2 the best out of the Raimi trilogy. It starts off right away with Spider-Man.

ThaVirus
07-30-2012, 04:20 PM
I like to think he used anti-nuclear bomb bat repellent.

mr. tegu
07-30-2012, 04:54 PM
You want me to give you a list of great films? Such a thing, partially defined through critical consensus, is easily Googlable. You could start with Roger Ebert's list that is literally titled Great Movies. http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=greatmovies_first100

Wtf is google? Given you critiquing this movie I thought perhaps you had some off the top of your head that YOU thought were great and were maybe using as a comparison in your own mind.

Direckshun
07-30-2012, 04:58 PM
I picked that up immediately, but the action is pretty intense at that point.

It's not like it was hard to spot, but given all that was going on at the time, it was hard to process. I realized it and didn't think that Bane was the child that climbed from the pit, but everytime I started to try to think about who it could be or why the inconsistency, something else happened to distract me from it.

I honestly wonder if that wasn't by design. Unless you tune the movie out for 15 minutes and start pondering, there's just not a good moment to get much beyond the "wait...so Bane isn't the child" moment. And even that one is likely brushed off by most of the viewing audience as a product of their own misunderstanding.

For the record; loved the movie. I love 'beginning' type stories and I think that's why I like Begins and even this one better than TDK. TDK is just Batman whupin' ass and using gadgets the whole time. Both Begins and Rises have a 'rebuild' story to them and I love those.

I'm still wondering why the "is Bane the child?" subplot is important to the story.

Please help?

58kcfan89
07-30-2012, 05:11 PM
Sorry if this has been asked, I haven't seen it on here. But I saw this for the 3rd time last night & can't understand what Bane says right after "I'm Gotham's reckoning..." before he snaps that dude's neck in half. Only time that I couldn't understand him and it's bugging the crap out of me.... Help?

mr. tegu
07-30-2012, 05:16 PM
Sorry if this has been asked, I haven't seen it on here. But I saw this for the 3rd time last night & can't understand what Bane says right after "I'm Gotham's reckoning..." before he snaps that dude's neck in half. Only time that I couldn't understand him and it's bugging the crap out of me.... Help?

Was that when he said something like, "because you give me money, you own me?"

BigRedChief
07-30-2012, 05:19 PM
Basically he bought and/or sold contracts on the futures market. And then they went the other way, meaning his position lost money. He had to lose everything to make the margin call.

Think of it as you buying a contract of corn (5,000 bu) at $6. Then the price goes down to $5.00. You now owe $1,000 to the brokerage. That's what Bane did.The Stock exchange is immediately shut down remotely in case of terriost attack on the exchange. All traffic is stopped.

BigRedChief
07-30-2012, 05:26 PM
2. Didn't like the way Bane was taken out. Would have much rather had Batman rip his entire mask off and then go to town on him. Instead Catwoman blew him away with the Batbike.like the other comments, I felt catwomen blowing Bane away was cheap. Batman running into the middle of a huge melee against a guy who beat him the last time would not be the smart way Bruce wayne would have handled the 2nd confrontation.

And dont even get me started on an exposed spinal cord just being snapped into place and all feeling is restored. :facepalm:

patteeu
07-30-2012, 05:31 PM
The Stock exchange is immediately shut down remotely in case of terriost attack on the exchange. All traffic is stopped.

Are you talking about the one in New York or the one in Gotham?

Silock
07-30-2012, 05:32 PM
Are you talking about the one in New York or the one in Gotham?

Yes.

Reaper16
07-30-2012, 05:59 PM
Wtf is google? Given you critiquing this movie I thought perhaps you had some off the top of your head that YOU thought were great and were maybe using as a comparison in your own mind.

I could spend the next few hours listing movies off the top of my head, man. I'm a big film buff. Howabout I just list my favorite films in each of the last five years?

2011: A Separation
2010: Winter's Bone
2009: Still Walking
2008: Chop Shop
2007: There Will Be Blood

mr. tegu
07-30-2012, 06:31 PM
I could spend the next few hours listing movies off the top of my head, man. I'm a big film buff. Howabout I just list my favorite films in each of the last five years?

2011: A Separation
2010: Winter's Bone
2009: Still Walking
2008: Chop Shop
2007: There Will Be Blood

Just from reading this thread I figured you were a big movie guy which is why I was looking for some of your opinion :thumb: After briefly looking at those I think There Will Be Blood will be the one I check out. Regarding TDKR, after all the things I have read in here I need to watch it more intently the second time. I think a lot of people are just in awe watching it the first time and miss some important elements. At least I know I was.

Reaper16
07-30-2012, 06:35 PM
Regarding TDKR, after all the things I have read in here I need to watch it more intently the second time.

I'm gonna' do the same soon.

Mr. Plow
07-30-2012, 06:45 PM
I could spend the next few hours listing movies off the top of my head, man. I'm a big film buff. Howabout I just list my favorite films in each of the last five years?

2011: A Separation
2010: Winter's Bone
2009: Still Walking
2008: Chop Shop
2007: There Will Be Blood


I may just pick these all up just to see what Reaper views as a great movie. You obviously are into movies and while I think your taste is probably not necessarily my taste, I'm interested in opening up my mind a bit.

Reaper16
07-30-2012, 07:05 PM
Just from reading this thread I figured you were a big movie guy which is why I was looking for some of your opinion :thumb: After briefly looking at those I think There Will Be Blood will be the one I check out.

I may just pick these all up just to see what Reaper views as a great movie. You obviously are into movies and while I think your taste is probably not necessarily my taste, I'm interested in opening up my mind a bit.

Maybe a better list for this purpose would be to try and compare apples to apples. Here are some of my favorite action(ish) films from the last five years:

2011: shit, umm, Drive? Last year wasn't great for me in terms of action.
2010: True Grit? I guess crime movies like A Prophet and Animal Kingdom count too. Also, Red Cliff - the director's cut.
2009: The Hurt Locker , Inglorious Basterds, District 9
2008: Iron Man, The Dark Knight (I guess)
2007: No Country for Old Men only comes to mind. American Gangster if we're counting crime films; I have a soft spot for it.

Mr. Plow
07-30-2012, 07:11 PM
Maybe a better list for this purpose would be to try and compare apples to apples. Here are some of my favorite action(ish) films from the last five years:

2011: shit, umm, Drive? Last year wasn't great for me in terms of action.
2010: True Grit? I guess crime movies like A Prophet and Animal Kingdom count too. Also, Red Cliff - the director's cut.
2009: The Hurt Locker , Inglorious Basterds, District 9
2008: Iron Man, The Dark Knight (I guess)
2007: No Country for Old Men only comes to mind. American Gangster if we're counting crime films; I have a soft spot for it.

I'll add the ones I haven't seen to my list as well. I really used to be a movie guy and I think kids have just killed that....we don't watch many movies let alone live tv. But, I know you are a movie guy, so I'm going to check them out.

lcarus
07-30-2012, 07:12 PM
Maybe a better list for this purpose would be to try and compare apples to apples. Here are some of my favorite action(ish) films from the last five years:

2011: shit, umm, Drive? Last year wasn't great for me in terms of action.
2010: True Grit? I guess crime movies like A Prophet and Animal Kingdom count too. Also, Red Cliff - the director's cut.
2009: The Hurt Locker , Inglorious Basterds, District 9
2008: Iron Man, The Dark Knight (I guess)
2007: No Country for Old Men only comes to mind. American Gangster if we're counting crime films; I have a soft spot for it.

That's a good list. From your other list, I really wanna see Winters Bone. There Will Be Blood was awesome. Daniel Day Lewis is great. Did you know I've never seen The Last of the Mohicans? I don't know how. I love Daniel Day Lewis as stated previously, but that's just one movie I've never set time aside to watch. One day soon...

KcMizzou
07-30-2012, 07:13 PM
That's a good list. From your other list, I really wanna see Winters Bone. There Will Be Blood was awesome. Daniel Day Lewis is great. Did you know I've never seen The Last of the Mohicans? I don't know how. I love Daniel Day Lewis as stated previously, but that's just one movie I've never set time aside to watch. One day soon...Winter's Bone is excellent.

JD10367
07-30-2012, 07:21 PM
Sorry if this has been asked, I haven't seen it on here. But I saw this for the 3rd time last night & can't understand what Bane says right after "I'm Gotham's reckoning..." before he snaps that dude's neck in half. Only time that I couldn't understand him and it's bugging the crap out of me.... Help?

IIRC the guy says something like, "You're evil". Bane responds, "I'm a necessary evil". Then snaps his neck.

Deberg_1990
07-30-2012, 07:36 PM
I think we all knew this already but this vid helps confirm it. Banes voice was changed after the IMAX preview to make it more clear. I still think the final Bane sound mix was over the top. He doesnt even sound like hes in the same room at times with other actors in the scene.



<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="210" src="http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/xsghk1_bane-s-voice-comparison-imax-prologue-vs-final-film_shortfilms"></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsghk1_bane-s-voice-comparison-imax-prologue-vs-final-film_shortfilms" target="_blank">Bane's voice comparison (IMAX prologue vs...</a> <i>by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/mrstevenrichter" target="_blank">mrstevenrichter</a></i>

Count Zarth
07-30-2012, 07:38 PM
Yeah, it definitely pulled me out of the movie several times. It sounded like some amateur mixed the sound. It was definitely evident in the plane.

Personally, I thought they should have had subtitles for him.

BigRedChief
07-30-2012, 08:23 PM
Are you talking about the one in New York or the one in Gotham?Either. Some thugs break in with guns and start making trades and they have no process in place that doesnt allow the trades to go through the whole system? come on, that wasnt a suspend belief comic book/fantasy moment in the film.

58kcfan89
07-30-2012, 08:49 PM
Was that when he said something like, "because you give me money, you own me?"

Assuming I'm not getting stuff mixed up, it was in that scene, but I don't think that was the line I'm missing...

IIRC the guy says something like, "You're evil". Bane responds, "I'm a necessary evil". Then snaps his neck.

Eh, maybe I'm getting it mixed up with a different scene. I thought there was another line or 2 after "I'm Gotham's reckoning" that I missed. Guess I'll have to see it again. ;)

Silock
07-30-2012, 08:59 PM
Either. Some thugs break in with guns and start making trades and they have no process in place that doesnt allow the trades to go through the whole system? come on, that wasnt a suspend belief comic book/fantasy moment in the film.

That's where I'm at and got lambasted for saying it.

ThaVirus
07-30-2012, 10:23 PM
I thought they did a great job of making Bane look huge and intimidating. I was talking with a friend and said he had to be like 6'4" 240 lbs. So I went to Google and found out Hardy is only 5'10" and 198 lbs (put on 30 for the role). Excellent job of using camera angles.

patteeu
07-31-2012, 05:41 AM
Either. Some thugs break in with guns and start making trades and they have no process in place that doesnt allow the trades to go through the whole system? come on, that wasnt a suspend belief comic book/fantasy moment in the film.

You were watching a movie about a billionaire ninja who wears a bat costume to fight heavily armed bad guys with his bare hands.

Micjones
07-31-2012, 06:58 AM
The only time he could have done it was when the building explodes, when JGL sees the Bat fly out.

And he managed to board the other Batwing, take off AND not be seen by Blake and the others on the bridge?

JD10367
07-31-2012, 07:00 AM
For those whining about how "unbelievable" things were, here's a little refresher about the last film.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/u843KNE-exo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Deberg_1990
07-31-2012, 07:53 AM
For those whining about how "unbelievable" things were, here's a little refresher about the last film.



ROFL Hilarious


Ill just say this.......making a good "genre" movie is mostly about creating a believable world and then sticking to the rules you have created within that. Nolan has done a tremendous job of that.


Of course there are outlandish things that could never happen in real life. Its fiction based off a comic book.

DJ's left nut
07-31-2012, 08:36 AM
God damn, watch better movies please.

I'd watch Rises over There Will Be Blood 100 times out of 100.

Self-Indulgent art-house flicks that serve to give 'film-buffs' something to jerk off to while assuaging the ego of guys like Daniel Day-Lewis without actually being, I dunno, entertaining just don't do much for me.

Movie snobs can lick my taint.

Reaper16
07-31-2012, 09:24 AM
I'd watch Rises over There Will Be Blood 100 times out of 100.

Self-Indulgent art-house flicks that serve to give 'film-buffs' something to jerk off to while assuaging the ego of guys like Daniel Day-Lewis without actually being, I dunno, entertaining just don't do much for me.

Movie snobs can lick my taint.

"Self-indulgent" is one of those terms, like "pretentious" that doesn't mean anything anymore. They're terms used nowadays in place of saying "this person or thing doesn't align with my tastes."

TWBB is tremendously entertaining, if one is entertained by tension, deep character examination, camerawork that has an understanding of the artform, incredible acting (from Day-Lewis and Dano), and themes that are actually explored as themes (as opposed to the, say, Nolan Batman trilogy, which throws out buzzwords like 'justice' and 'authority' and 'fear' and etc. in a statement by some character and then doesn't bother to explore or complicate those buzzwords very much).

And, as always when defensive accusations of snobbery start getting tossed around, I have to iterate that this isn't an either/or thing. It's OK to be entertained by inconsequential popcorn cinema AND art-house cinema. I watch both and I'm entertained by both. That I expect more from a director like Christopher Nolan doesn't change that.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-31-2012, 09:26 AM
"Self-indulgent" is one of those terms, like "pretentious" that doesn't mean anything anymore. They're terms used nowadays in place of saying "this person or thing doesn't align with my tastes."

TWBB is tremendously entertaining, if one is entertained by tension, deep character examination, camerawork that has an understanding of the artform, incredible acting (from Day-Lewis and Dano), and themes that are actually explored as themes (as opposed to the, say, Nolan Batman trilogy, which throws out buzzwords like 'justice' and 'authority' and 'fear' and etc. in a statement by some character and then doesn't bother to explore or complicate those buzzwords very much).

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lcarus
07-31-2012, 09:30 AM
"Self-indulgent" is one of those terms, like "pretentious" that doesn't mean anything anymore. They're terms used nowadays in place of saying "this person or thing doesn't align with my tastes."

TWBB is tremendously entertaining, if one is entertained by tension, deep character examination, camerawork that has an understanding of the artform, incredible acting (from Day-Lewis and Dano), and themes that are actually explored as themes (as opposed to the, say, Nolan Batman trilogy, which throws out buzzwords like 'justice' and 'authority' and 'fear' and etc. in a statement by some character and then doesn't bother to explore or complicate those buzzwords very much).

And, as always when defensive accusations of snobbery start getting tossed around, I have to iterate that this isn't an either/or thing. It's OK to be entertained by inconsequential popcorn cinema AND art-house cinema. I watch both and I'm entertained by both. That I expect more from a director like Christopher Nolan doesn't change that.

Yeah I love TDKR and There Will Be Blood both. I'd pop either of those fuckers in my PS3 to watch any time.

DJ's left nut
07-31-2012, 09:55 AM
"Self-indulgent" is one of those terms, like "pretentious" that doesn't mean anything anymore. They're terms used nowadays in place of saying "this person or thing doesn't align with my tastes."

TWBB is tremendously entertaining, if one is entertained by tension, deep character examination, camerawork that has an understanding of the artform, incredible acting (from Day-Lewis and Dano), and themes that are actually explored as themes (as opposed to the, say, Nolan Batman trilogy, which throws out buzzwords like 'justice' and 'authority' and 'fear' and etc. in a statement by some character and then doesn't bother to explore or complicate those buzzwords very much).

And, as always when defensive accusations of snobbery start getting tossed around, I have to iterate that this isn't an either/or thing. It's OK to be entertained by inconsequential popcorn cinema AND art-house cinema. I watch both and I'm entertained by both. That I expect more from a director like Christopher Nolan doesn't change that.

What?

Just because you don't use the term correctly doesn't mean it doesn't have an operative definition. There Will Be Blood qualifies. Yes, Daniel Day Lewis did a great job; he always does. But the whole movie was just an exercise in him showing he's a great actor. As I watched it, all I could see was John Lovitz and John Lithgow yelling "ACTING! BRILLIANT! Thank You!"

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/15476780" width="500" height="375" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/15476780">Acting school</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user4867276">Gregory Mate</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

Yeah, we get it Dan; you can act. Now how 'bout the movie actually go somewhere? You can do both, Y'know? 'No Country' proved it.

On the flip-side, every Wes Anderson movie is fairly self-indulgent these days but I actually like those.

When someone says "Damn, watch better movies" to people that aren't willing to nitpick a movie that has a billionaire ninja, the 'accusations' of snobbery are justified. You clearly weren't willing to just let this be an either/or issue when you start castigating folks for not demanding reality in their cinema.

patteeu
07-31-2012, 10:05 AM
"Self-indulgent" is one of those terms, like "pretentious" that doesn't mean anything anymore. They're terms used nowadays in place of saying "this person or thing doesn't align with my tastes."

TWBB is tremendously entertaining, if one is entertained by tension, deep character examination, camerawork that has an understanding of the artform, incredible acting (from Day-Lewis and Dano), and themes that are actually explored as themes (as opposed to the, say, Nolan Batman trilogy, which throws out buzzwords like 'justice' and 'authority' and 'fear' and etc. in a statement by some character and then doesn't bother to explore or complicate those buzzwords very much).

And, as always when defensive accusations of snobbery start getting tossed around, I have to iterate that this isn't an either/or thing. It's OK to be entertained by inconsequential popcorn cinema AND art-house cinema. I watch both and I'm entertained by both. That I expect more from a director like Christopher Nolan doesn't change that.

"Self-indulgent" and "pretentious" still mean the same things they always did.

JD10367
07-31-2012, 10:10 AM
Eh, maybe I'm getting it mixed up with a different scene. I thought there was another line or 2 after "I'm Gotham's reckoning" that I missed. Guess I'll have to see it again. ;)

Nope, you were right, there's another line in between. I couldn't understand it fully but, after he says "I'm Gotham's reckoning", he says something like, "Here to end the (indistinguishable) that you've all been getting on" (or something like that). I'll listen better next show.

Pestilence
07-31-2012, 10:26 AM
Nope, you were right, there's another line in between. I couldn't understand it fully but, after he says "I'm Gotham's reckoning", he says something like, "Here to end the (indistinguishable) that you've all been getting on" (or something like that). I'll listen better next show.

"I'm Gotham's reckoning, here to end the borrowed time that you've all been living on."

mikeyis4dcats.
07-31-2012, 10:39 AM
like the other comments, I felt catwomen blowing Bane away was cheap. Batman running into the middle of a huge melee against a guy who beat him the last time would not be the smart way Bruce wayne would have handled the 2nd confrontation.

And dont even get me started on an exposed spinal cord just being snapped into place and all feeling is restored. :facepalm:

until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a spinal cord injury, STFU

Reaper16
07-31-2012, 10:42 AM
What?

Just because you don't use the term correctly doesn't mean it doesn't have an operative definition. There Will Be Blood qualifies. Yes, Daniel Day Lewis did a great job; he always does. But the whole movie was just an exercise in him showing he's a great actor. As I watched it, all I could see was John Lovitz and John Lithgow yelling "ACTING! BRILLIANT! Thank You!"

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Yeah, we get it Dan; you can act. Now how 'bout the movie actually go somewhere? You can do both, Y'know? 'No Country' proved it.

On the flip-side, every Wes Anderson movie is fairly self-indulgent these days but I actually like those.

When someone says "Damn, watch better movies" to people that aren't willing to nitpick a movie that has a billionaire ninja, the 'accusations' of snobbery are justified. You clearly weren't willing to just let this be an either/or issue when you start castigating folks for not demanding reality in their cinema.

Of course I wasn't willing to let it be an either/or issue. It's not an either/or issue. I was being an asshole, sure, duh. I was being an asshole because it seemed like people's perspective on film was limited, that they were willing to excuse poor screenwriting because they figured that was as good as they are going to get from Hollywood movies. I certainly could have stated as much in the first place, but I chose to be an asshole.

I won't argue the merits of TWBB or even argue that it isn't self-indulgent. I'll just say that Nolan is an incredibly self-indulgent filmmaker with respect to plot machinations, and TDKR is him at his most self-indulgent. Sometimes that works for me (The Prestige) and other times I think it detracts from otherwise decent films (Inception, TDKR).

So it seems pointless to even bring it up that you'd rather watch TDKR over TWBB because of TWBB's self-indulgence. At best, you've set forth an argument between us where both films are. And what I have to say to that is: "Well, okay."

"Self-indulgent" and "pretentious" still mean the same things they always did.

Of course they do. But they are most frequently encountered when someone is using them incorrectly.

DJ's left nut
07-31-2012, 10:54 AM
until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a spinal cord injury, STFU

Until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a bulging disc, STFU.

A bulging disc doesn't just get knocked into place; in fact it clearly wasn't a bulging disk that Wayne had (it was, I guess, a displaced vertebra).

A bulging disc is essentially a weakening of the walls between the vertebra that hold the discs in place. As they weaken, they can no longer hold the disc in place and the compression will force the disc out of alignment. For me, it creates nerve issues and tightens all the muscles in my neck and shoulders to the point of pretty intense pain.

In either event, a bulging disc most assuredly isn't something that's just going to get punched into place. Punch your spine all day if you'd like; you'll never get close to the disc itself; you're just punching yourself in the back.

The problem is that a displaced vertebra is going to create a legitimate spinal cord injury with the amount of movement that Wayne had (the dragging, etc...).

But as previously indicated - who cares? If Nolan didn't have the "Broken bat" scene, the fanboys would've revolted. I think he did a fine job working in some canon here while also making it at least an acceptable stretching of medical truth.

Red Brooklyn
07-31-2012, 11:51 AM
So, indeed, the child is mentioned first, the implication/assumption is put forth that it's Bane, and then they mention the plague/mask, and then go right back to the child story. So, clearly, unless Bane somehow grew up outside the hole, then accidentally tripped and fell back in, it's impossible for him to get beaten up and need the mask.

W: "He was the prison doctor, (and) a morphine addict... (inaudible dialogue, something about "he took care of the prisoners here" I think)... including your master, Bane. Many years ago, it was a time of plague. Some of the other prsoners attacked Bane. In the doctor's fumbling attempts to repair the damage, it left him in perpetual agony. The mask holds the pain at bay."
Wait, what?

Lzen
07-31-2012, 12:18 PM
People aren't able to pick apart great movies. It's one of the things that makes them great.

Oh rly?

I could spend the next few hours listing movies off the top of my head, man. I'm a big film buff. Howabout I just list my favorite films in each of the last five years?


2010: Winter's Bone

IMO, this film is good. But I wouldn't call it great.

2007: There Will Be Blood

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/trivia?tab=gf


Just sayin'.

ThaVirus
07-31-2012, 12:41 PM
I'd watch Rises over There Will Be Blood 100 times out of 100.

Self-Indulgent art-house flicks that serve to give 'film-buffs' something to jerk off to while assuaging the ego of guys like Daniel Day-Lewis without actually being, I dunno, entertaining just don't do much for me.

Movie snobs can lick my taint.

I couldn't agree more.

Reaper16
07-31-2012, 12:52 PM
Oh rly?



IMO, this film is good. But I wouldn't call it great.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/trivia?tab=gf


Just sayin'.

To the first and third points: when I was speaking about "picking apart" I was speaking only for my own posts in this thread, which were mostly focused on how choices made in the script affected character arcs and overall film effectiveness. I haven't been up in arms in this thread over continuity errors or anachronisms. So read correctly, my post about great films not being able to be picked apart means that great films don't sacrifice character for plot machinations, or etc.

To the second point, I never exactly claimed that Winter's Bone (or for that matter, TWBB) is great. Just that it was my favorite movie of that year. I brought up favorite movies in the first place only as a way of quickly recommending some movies to the couple of posters who asked me to.

Count Zarth
07-31-2012, 03:40 PM
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CoMoChief
07-31-2012, 03:51 PM
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Almost looks like Cyclops.

Tribal Warfare
07-31-2012, 04:00 PM
Something clever like what?

Go completely street and use something in the area as a weapon or use his surroundings to his advantage or just fight dirty to win and survive.

mr. tegu
07-31-2012, 04:09 PM
Maybe a better list for this purpose would be to try and compare apples to apples. Here are some of my favorite action(ish) films from the last five years:

2011: shit, umm, Drive? Last year wasn't great for me in terms of action.
2010: True Grit? I guess crime movies like A Prophet and Animal Kingdom count too. Also, Red Cliff - the director's cut.
2009: The Hurt Locker , Inglorious Basterds, District 9
2008: Iron Man, The Dark Knight (I guess)
2007: No Country for Old Men only comes to mind. American Gangster if we're counting crime films; I have a soft spot for it.

That is a great list. So many action movies come out that just plain suck (eg Expendables, Green Lantern) it is hard to discern sometimes which will be the diamonds in the rough. For some reason True Grit is not something I have seen even though I hear good things. I guess it is because the lady doesn't like it. Although she loved Inglorious Bastards, as did I, so now do I re-watch that or True Grit. Hmm.

BigRedChief
07-31-2012, 04:53 PM
until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a spinal cord injury, STFUThe guy said we need to put this bone that is sticking out of your back back in. Thats not a bulging disc. :harumph:

Pestilence
07-31-2012, 04:57 PM
Sorry if this has been asked, I haven't seen it on here. But I saw this for the 3rd time last night & can't understand what Bane says right after "I'm Gotham's reckoning..." before he snaps that dude's neck in half. Only time that I couldn't understand him and it's bugging the crap out of me.... Help?

Assuming I'm not getting stuff mixed up, it was in that scene, but I don't think that was the line I'm missing...



Eh, maybe I'm getting it mixed up with a different scene. I thought there was another line or 2 after "I'm Gotham's reckoning" that I missed. Guess I'll have to see it again. ;)

Nope, you were right, there's another line in between. I couldn't understand it fully but, after he says "I'm Gotham's reckoning", he says something like, "Here to end the (indistinguishable) that you've all been getting on" (or something like that). I'll listen better next show.

Before it got lost in all of the bullshit arguing.

Here.

"I'm Gotham's reckoning, here to end the borrowed time that you've all been living on."

mikeyis4dcats.
07-31-2012, 06:50 PM
Until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a bulging disc, STFU.

A bulging disc doesn't just get knocked into place; in fact it clearly wasn't a bulging disk that Wayne had (it was, I guess, a displaced vertebra).

A bulging disc is essentially a weakening of the walls between the vertebra that hold the discs in place. As they weaken, they can no longer hold the disc in place and the compression will force the disc out of alignment. For me, it creates nerve issues and tightens all the muscles in my neck and shoulders to the point of pretty intense pain.

In either event, a bulging disc most assuredly isn't something that's just going to get punched into place. Punch your spine all day if you'd like; you'll never get close to the disc itself; you're just punching yourself in the back.

The problem is that a displaced vertebra is going to create a legitimate spinal cord injury with the amount of movement that Wayne had (the dragging, etc...).

But as previously indicated - who cares? If Nolan didn't have the "Broken bat" scene, the fanboys would've revolted. I think he did a fine job working in some canon here while also making it at least an acceptable stretching of medical truth.

I will concede that we are probably both incorrect. If Wayne had a truely broken vertebrae that was dislocated and protruding, that is never going to be fixed in a cave. That is spinal cord severing or injuring territory, and Batman would need a Batchair.

Despite what the "doctor" said, it had to have been a disk injury, perhaps a herniation, or at worst a compression fractured vertebrae. Remember, the "doctor" was obviously not very competent, otherwise Bane wouldn't have been so ****ed up.

And I can't believe that we're having this conversation....I'm out to go regain some semblance of manliness.

Buehler445
07-31-2012, 09:58 PM
The Stock exchange is immediately shut down remotely in case of terriost attack on the exchange. All traffic is stopped.

Either. Some thugs break in with guns and start making trades and they have no process in place that doesnt allow the trades to go through the whole system? come on, that wasnt a suspend belief comic book/fantasy moment in the film.

Meh. Like I posted before, it isn't any more egregious than any of the other financial implications of any of the other movies. If you could let that stuff go, you could let this go. No biggie.


Yeah, it definitely pulled me out of the movie several times. It sounded like some amateur mixed the sound. It was definitely evident in the plane.

Personally, I thought they should have had subtitles for him.

I think Bane's voice could have maybe been done better. Subtitles would have been pretty sweet. But I thought Bane's voice was pretty well done. It was really chilling. He is such a brutal fighter and so goddamn relentless. And then he has a high, very British voice. Cool, IMO.

ROFL Hilarious


Ill just say this.......making a good "genre" movie is mostly about creating a believable world and then sticking to the rules you have created within that. Nolan has done a tremendous job of that.


Of course there are outlandish things that could never happen in real life. Its fiction based off a comic book.

That's where I am. The stuff people are picking apart isn't all that much different from the other films. It was much larger in scope than either one of the other two.

Micjones
08-01-2012, 07:21 AM
It's funny that people are more upset with the implausability of the Stock Exchange scene than they are Batman escaping a nuclear blast.

Suspension of disbelief is always funny with the Superhero genre.

Silock
08-01-2012, 08:18 AM
Fusion bombs aren't conventional nuclear blasts, nor were we supposed to believe he was on the Bat that blew up.

The Rick
08-01-2012, 08:56 AM
It's funny that people are more upset with the implausability of the Stock Exchange scene than they are Batman escaping a nuclear blast.
Or the fact that in the previous movie, there was a guy walking around with half a face. :)

Micjones
08-01-2012, 08:58 AM
Or the fact that in the previous movie, there was a guy walking around with half a face. :)

It's always the little things (comparatively) that people go ape shit over.

Reaper16
08-01-2012, 12:08 PM
Fusion bombs aren't conventional nuclear blasts, nor were we supposed to believe he was on the Bat that blew up.

That's not true. We absolutely were to believe that, as we were given no evidence whatsoever to the contrary.

We learn that he wasn't on it in the closing montage, but prior to that Luscious Fox scene in the montage the audience has no reason to suspect that Bruce lived.

Silock
08-01-2012, 01:29 PM
Right. So at the end, it's given to us that he wasn't on it, thus explaining it just fine.

Count Zarth
08-01-2012, 02:01 PM
It's always the little things (comparatively) that people go ape shit over.

The demise of the main villain isn't a little thing.

It was poorly scripted.

-King-
08-01-2012, 02:03 PM
I do think Banes death should have been a little more epic. Him getting blindsided like that was kind of cheap.

-King-
08-01-2012, 02:06 PM
I also have a qualm with this. That scene in the beginning where Alfred talks about his daydream during Bruce's 7-year vacation from Gotham, in which he imagined seeing Wayne with a family, etc.? That scene was retroactively ruined by the TWIST! in the ending montage.

So much of TDKR has moments that you think are good character moments but later you realize that the only purpose they served in the film was to swerve the audience, to set up a patented Nolan TWIST!

Who said there was a twist?

patteeu
08-01-2012, 02:40 PM
Was the Arab swordsman's death in the first Indiana Jones movie cheap because it happened in a surprising and quick way? This was the same type of unexpected and abrupt ending for a bad guy. And Bane wasn't the main villain as it turned out. Talia was.

Count Zarth
08-01-2012, 02:44 PM
The Arab swordsman was on screen for 10 seconds. His death was a joke, and it was ad libbed.

And I don't care what you say, Bane was the main villain. He was the antagonist.

Fried Meat Ball!
08-01-2012, 02:47 PM
The Arab swordsman was on screen for 10 seconds. His death was a joke, and it was ad libbed.

And I don't care what you say, Bane was the main villain. He was the antagonist.

Agreed. Talia was the one pulling the strings, but Bane was the only baddie throughout 90 percent of the film.

DJ's left nut
08-01-2012, 03:01 PM
I do think Banes death should have been a little more epic. Him getting blindsided like that was kind of cheap.

His death was immaterial; his defeat was what mattered.

Batman defeated him. And I disagree with the idea that the way it was done wasn't 'batmanish' enough. Wayne learned in prison that Bane's mask kept the pain at bay. He made a clear, concerted effort to attack that mask. In so doing, he got Bane to 'fight like a younger man' himself, as Bane mocked Batman for doing in the prior fight.

I liked the way that scene played out. And I liked the unexpected and ignominious way he was dispatched once it was clear he was no more than a pawn in the whole thing.

He was taken from an unbeateable genius super-thug to a defeated sidekick in the span of 5 minutes; then unceremoniously blown to hell by another sidekick. I liked how Nolan was casually dismissive of him at that point.

How he died was ultimately irrelevant after he was decisively handled up to it.

lcarus
08-01-2012, 03:36 PM
His death was immaterial; his defeat was what mattered.

Batman defeated him. And I disagree with the idea that the way it was done wasn't 'batmanish' enough. Wayne learned in prison that Bane's mask kept the pain at bay. He made a clear, concerted effort to attack that mask. In so doing, he got Bane to 'fight like a younger man' himself, as Bane mocked Batman for doing in the prior fight.

I liked the way that scene played out. And I liked the unexpected and ignominious way he was dispatched once it was clear he was no more than a pawn in the whole thing.

He was taken from an unbeateable genius super-thug to a defeated sidekick in the span of 5 minutes; then unceremoniously blown to hell by another sidekick. I liked how Nolan was casually dismissive of him at that point.

How he died was ultimately irrelevant after he was decisively handled up to it.

I agree. Once Batman started going at that mask, he suddenly wasn't so invincible anymore.

CoMoChief
08-01-2012, 03:54 PM
The way Bane died was just half-assed IMO.

Would have been more kickass if Batman ripped it (Bane's mask) off and beat the crap out of him.

Instead, Catbitch blew him away with the bike. (lame)

DJ's left nut
08-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Eh, to each their own.

Batman ripping a mask off a villain he clearly already defeated doesn't do much for me. Instead you got the 'trust' element that has been mentioned, as well as just a casual bludgeoning of an emasculated bad guy and an unquestioned jarring feeling when the dude took a damn missile to the ribs.

I thought it was badass in its own right.

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 04:37 PM
Eh, to each their own.

Batman ripping a mask off a villain he clearly already defeated doesn't do much for me. Instead you got the 'trust' element that has been mentioned, as well as just a casual bludgeoning of an emasculated bad guy and an unquestioned jarring feeling when the dude took a damn missile to the ribs.

I thought it was badass in its own right.

Absolutely. Batman had proven his point and was taken out by a betrayal. Selina rewarding his trust was a great way to turn the tide. It also was yet another great illustration of how Catwoman and Batman are very different depite both being basically heroic.

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 04:45 PM
I'd watch Rises over There Will Be Blood 100 times out of 100.

Self-Indulgent art-house flicks that serve to give 'film-buffs' something to jerk off to while assuaging the ego of guys like Daniel Day-Lewis without actually being, I dunno, entertaining just don't do much for me.

Movie snobs can lick my taint.

LMAO I think it's hilarious when people blast "movie-snobs" when they are the ones being judgmental. Like whatever you like. Attacking people who like "There Will be Blood", get ready for it... MAKES YOU A MOVIE SNOB. You just have different standards.

And heaven forbid people expect more from films than "entertainment". I'm sorry if you don't think the art of film is capable of meaningful expression beyond basic escapism, but mocking people for their tastes just makes you look ignorant.

Gravedigger
08-01-2012, 05:20 PM
Maybe I'm on my own boat here, but honestly, why do people try to use the most underused words they can think of when reviewing a film? Trying to sound like a cunning linguist? Did they pick out a word from the Synonym section on Dictionary.com and say "Oh well it means the same thing so it must be the right word!" It's a pet peeve of mine to see people try to flex their brainpower when honestly who really uses that word in a day to day world?

Reaper16
08-01-2012, 05:22 PM
Maybe I'm on my own boat here, but honestly, why do people try to use the most underused words they can think of when reviewing a film? Trying to sound like a cunning linguist? Did they pick out a word from the Synonym section on Dictionary.com and say "Oh well it means the same thing so it must be the right word!" It's a pet peeve of mine to see people try to flex their brainpower when honestly who really uses that word in a day to day world?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Guru
08-01-2012, 05:32 PM
What the **** are you talking about?

LMAO Its not like he used big words there. :D


Kidding. I have no idea where that came from.

DJ's left nut
08-01-2012, 05:35 PM
LMAO I think it's hilarious when people blast "movie-snobs" when they are the ones being judgmental. Like whatever you like. Attacking people who like "There Will be Blood", get ready for it... MAKES YOU A MOVIE SNOB. You just have different standards.

And heaven forbid people expect more from films than "entertainment". I'm sorry if you don't think the art of film is capable of meaningful expression beyond basic escapism, but mocking people for their tastes just makes you look ignorant.

There's a staggering amount of irony in this statement.

Count Zarth
08-01-2012, 06:22 PM
Bane's death was less satisfying than Kirk's in Star Trek, where he simply fell down a mountain because a bridge collapsed. That's saying quite a bit.

The dude should have been lured into a trap and eventually succumbed to Batman's superior intelligence. That is Batman. Shit, Arnold Schwarzenegger is the biggest meathead EVER, and even he took out a fucking Predator via a triumph of cunning over clod.

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 06:31 PM
There's a staggering amount of irony in this statement.

What? It's ironic that I am able to view film as art? You're the one mocking people's taste while calling them a snob. I have no problem with film as entertainment or escapism and for the record, I love the Nolan Batman Trilogy. I just think they can be more. I'm not even a huge fan of your example, "There Will be Blood", but it's silly to claim someone is a snob when you are the one being exclusionary.

mikeyis4dcats.
08-01-2012, 06:47 PM
Was the Arab swordsman's death in the first Indiana Jones movie cheap because it happened in a surprising and quick way? This was the same type of unexpected and abrupt ending for a bad guy. And Bane wasn't the main villain as it turned out. Talia was.

you know that scene was an ad lib by Harrison? He was supposed to have a long battle with the guy, but after several takes in extremely hot weather, Ford was joking around when he pulled the gun and shot him.

mikeyis4dcats.
08-01-2012, 06:50 PM
Nolan had a problem in that Bane needed to die. But Batman doesn't kill people. Someone else HAD to do the deed. By showing Batman having defeated him, and letting Hotty McLeatherpants blow him up, he solved the dilemma.

DJ's left nut
08-01-2012, 06:56 PM
What? It's ironic that I am able to view film as art? You're the one mocking people's taste while calling them a snob. I have no problem with film as entertainment or escapism and for the record, I love the Nolan Batman Trilogy. I just think they can be more. I'm not even a huge fan of your example, "There Will be Blood", but it's silly to claim someone is a snob when you are the one being exclusionary.

No, I was responding to Reaper being a condescending shitheel.

Either you didn't read his post or you're just a hypocrite.

Reaper16
08-01-2012, 06:58 PM
No, I was responding to Reaper being a condescending shitheel.


It's easy to be a shitheel when treading through this thread. :D

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 07:14 PM
No, I was responding to Reaper being a condescending shitheel.

Either you didn't read his post or you're just a hypocrite.

If it appeared I was specifically defending Reaper, I wasn't. Your post, while in response to Reaper, was a general attack on those you deem to be movie snobs that revealed you as something of one yourself. It's something I see all the time and it tends to bother me.

Reaper16
08-01-2012, 07:17 PM
If it appeared I was specifically defending Reaper, I wasn't.

:( Et tu, Soze?

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 07:31 PM
:( Et tu, Soze?


LMAO I wouldn't insult you by "defending" you in a movie criticism fight. Plus, I figured you'd take the "condescending shitheel" label as a point of pride. ;)

Frazod
08-01-2012, 10:03 PM
Finally saw this tonight. I really enjoyed it. I liked it far better than the last one, although I still think the first one is the best.

One question - and bite me if asked and answered, but it's late and I don't feel like digging through hundreds of posts. Was the guy who ended up being Robin supposed to be the same kid who was on the roof with Rachel at the end of the first movie?

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 10:16 PM
Finally saw this tonight. I really enjoyed it. I liked it far better than the last one, although I still think the first one is the best.

One question - and bite me if asked and answered, but it's late and I don't feel like digging through hundreds of posts. Was the guy who ended up being Robin supposed to be the same kid who was on the roof with Rachel at the end of the first movie?

Don't think so. I thought they may go that way, too. But on one viewing I don't think they ever connected the two.

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 10:18 PM
Finally saw this tonight. I really enjoyed it. I liked it far better than the last one, although I still think the first one is the best.

One question - and bite me if asked and answered, but it's late and I don't feel like digging through hundreds of posts. Was the guy who ended up being Robin supposed to be the same kid who was on the roof with Rachel at the end of the first movie?

BTW, interesting order. (Begins, DKR, DK)

I can see how Begins is a better stand alone film, much like Fellowship was the best stand alone film in the LOTR, IMO. I just enjoyed DK so much more. REALLY surprised (and interested) that you liked DKR more than DK. Why?

Frazod
08-01-2012, 10:20 PM
Don't think so. I thought they may go that way, too. But on one viewing I don't think they ever connected the two.

Seemed like they were hinting at that, but I wasn't sure. Frankly, I had a hell of a time hearing it - my hearing kind of sucks anyway, but I had more trouble than usual following the dialogue in many of the scenes (I couldn't hear half of what Bane said).

I won't see it again in the theater, but I look forward to picking it up on blu-ray so I can watch it with the friggin subtitles turned on.

Frazod
08-01-2012, 10:25 PM
BTW, interesting order. (Begins, DKR, DK)

I can see how Begins is a better stand alone film, much like Fellowship was the best stand alone film in the LOTR, IMO. I just enjoyed DK so much more. REALLY surprised (and interested) that you liked DKR more than DK. Why?

Well, I really don't want to touch off another another pissing contest with the Ledgerites, but I didn't care for his portrayal of the Joker. I also found the plot to be ridiculously convoluted, I thought the whole Two Face thing was absurd (especially the burned away face with the pristine eyeball sticking out), and I hated the ending, although not quite so much now that I've seen the next movie. Oh, and Maggie Gyllenhaal with her droopy skull face and banana titties should be wearing a fucking burka.

All of these things were absent from this movie, and I appreciated it much more.

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 10:30 PM
Well, I really don't want to touch off another another pissing contest with the Ledgerites, but I didn't care for his portrayal of the Joker. I also found the plot to be ridiculously convoluted, I thought the whole Two Face thing was absurd (especially the burned away face with the pristine eyeball sticking out), and I hated the ending, although not quite so much now that I've seen the next movie. Oh, and Maggie Gyllenhaal with her droopy skull face and banana titties should be wearing a ****ing burka.

All of these things were absent from this movie, and I appreciated it much more.

Ha. I can see all of that. I am a huge fan of Ledger's performance, but I'm not one of those people who think that's the end all Joker. I look forward to one day seeing someone else bring a new approach to that character since he's my favorite comic book villain.

Also, I totally agree on the plot being convoluted. I still liked it, but I think a lot of people see that movie with rose-colored glasses. More hard to believe than that Two-Face thing for me was the absolute omniscience and infallibility of the Joker. For someone who's entire outlook is based around chaos, nothing went wrong for him until the last ten minutes of the movie.

I prefer DK to DKR, I think, but I've only seen this one once.

Frazod
08-01-2012, 10:31 PM
Ha. I can see all of that. I am a huge fan of Ledger's performance, but I'm not one of those people who think that's the end all Joker. I look forward to one day seeing someone else bring a new approach to that character since he's my favorite comic book villain.

Also, I totally agree on the plot being convoluted. I still liked it, but I think a lot of people see that movie with rose-colored glasses. More hard to believe than that Two-Face thing for me was the absolute omniscience and infallibility of the Joker. For someone who's entire outlook is based around chaos, nothing went wrong for him until the last ten minutes of the movie.

I prefer DK to DKR, I think, but I've only seen this one once.

It also seems like between DK and DKR, Bale remembered how to act again. He did a much better job this time around.

kysirsoze
08-01-2012, 10:36 PM
It also seems like between DK and DKR, Bale remembered how to act again. He did a much better job this time around.

Honestly, I think he just had a lot more to do. Ledger and Eckhart had such powerful roles in the movie, the less dynamic Batman/Bruce Wayne got pushed to the side a bit. This movie really got back to Batman with Bane being a little bit more single-minded.

Micjones
08-02-2012, 07:02 AM
I wasn't satisfied with Batman's "defeat" of Bane.
Not after that epic ass-whoopin he took.

Amnorix
08-02-2012, 07:16 AM
Ha. I can see all of that. I am a huge fan of Ledger's performance, but I'm not one of those people who think that's the end all Joker. I look forward to one day seeing someone else bring a new approach to that character since he's my favorite comic book villain.

Also, I totally agree on the plot being convoluted. I still liked it, but I think a lot of people see that movie with rose-colored glasses. More hard to believe than that Two-Face thing for me was the absolute omniscience and infallibility of the Joker. For someone who's entire outlook is based around chaos, nothing went wrong for him until the last ten minutes of the movie.

I prefer DK to DKR, I think, but I've only seen this one once.


A frequent problem in movies. I try to suspend disbelief at all times in watching these kinds of movies, but I'm repeatedly taken out of the scene with the brief thought of "how the HELL could they have known to be here at this exact time and catch them doing this". Sometimes it gets explained later, even only a few seconds later, and when that happens I'm happy, but more often than not it's just "bad guys can be everywhere at once, just roll with it."

Count Zarth
08-02-2012, 07:31 AM
I thought the whole Two Face thing was absurd

Heh. You realize Two Face is a recurring Batman character for over 50 years?

Or did you just not like the way he was portrayed...

Frazod
08-02-2012, 08:13 AM
Heh. You realize Two Face is a recurring Batman character for over 50 years?

Or did you just not like the way he was portrayed...

I've never been a big comic book guy, so I really don't care how long he was a recurring character.

And no, I didn't care for the way he was portrayed. I realize there's a certain suspension of disbelief at work here, but the whole protruding eye thing was dumb.

Count Zarth
08-02-2012, 08:23 AM
Well, that's kinda how he's supposed to be. :shrug:

It's kinda like criticizing Return of the King for all the multiple endings. That's how the story goes.

Frazod
08-02-2012, 08:40 AM
Well, that's kinda how he's supposed to be. :shrug:

It's kinda like criticizing Return of the King for all the multiple endings. That's how the story goes.

That's nice. And I still don't care. They could have simply made half his face disfigured and that would have been fine. I get the concept. But completely burned away? Dumb. With a pristine flame-retardant eyeball and optic nerve? Even dumber.

DJ's left nut
08-02-2012, 08:52 AM
Finally saw this tonight. I really enjoyed it. I liked it far better than the last one, although I still think the first one is the best.

One question - and bite me if asked and answered, but it's late and I don't feel like digging through hundreds of posts. Was the guy who ended up being Robin supposed to be the same kid who was on the roof with Rachel at the end of the first movie?

I think that's the order I put them in as well.

It's close between Begins and Rises, but as much as I loved Liam Neeson in the first one, Scarecrow just sucked the hind tit. I liked the story in Begins better, but I just like Rises a little bit more as a movie.

Ledger's performance has been deified because he became Teflon after his death. For almost any credible performance you can find people willing to give it good, even great reviews. The difference between a good job and a great job is that nobody is going to give a great job negative treatment. I still don't think that Ledger did a legitimately great job; but nobody was going to give a corpse negative treatment. There was no counter-point so it just became gospel that Ledger's performance was superlative.

It was good. It was very good, in fact. But it doesn't make up for the presence of Gyllenhall and the fact that the story as it relates to Batman is static. Batman beats ass at the beginning, Batman beats ass at the end. He's the same guy throughout.

It's the change in Bruce Wayne as Batman that makes me like the first and third installments more. You combine that with villains that are almost (if not quite) as compelling as the Joker and I think you have just a little more meat on the bones than there is in TDK.

DJ's left nut
08-02-2012, 08:55 AM
If it appeared I was specifically defending Reaper, I wasn't. Your post, while in response to Reaper, was a general attack on those you deem to be movie snobs that revealed you as something of one yourself. It's something I see all the time and it tends to bother me.

"Don't do much for me"

See that part? That would be where I establish that others may not share my belief. You're free to watch foreign films and indy documentaries all you want; it's no skin off my ass. My bone of contention was with people that will do so and castigate others for not doing the same.

Movie snobs can still lick my taint.

Pestilence
08-02-2012, 08:58 AM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/daily-morning-awesomeness-14.jpg

Frazod
08-02-2012, 08:58 AM
I really liked the dynamic between Batman and Catwoman, too.

And I loved the fact that they got to ride off into the sunset together. Dude deserved a happy ending and got it.

Although I really don't see that relationship lasting. :D

DJ's left nut
08-02-2012, 09:00 AM
Heh. You realize Two Face is a recurring Batman character for over 50 years?

Or did you just not like the way he was portrayed...

But the comic character has a nominally believable back-story.

A crime boss tossed some acid in his face. If you see it coming and get your eyes closed, you're going to be horribly disfigured where the acid burned you, but your eye will remain just fine.

In TDK, it's a freaking facial barbecue that goes down tot he bones in parts on his face. I'd say it's a hell of a lot less believable that his eye and ability to work that half of his face at all remains intact.

I see Frazod's point there (but it takes me back to my previous one; for these movies I just have a very hard time caring; there's just too much stuff that's farfetched for me to nit-pick).

Pestilence
08-02-2012, 09:03 AM
I just wasn't a fan of Harvey Dent period in the TDK. His character was fucking annoying throughout the entire movie.

lcarus
08-02-2012, 09:36 AM
I just wasn't a fan of Harvey Dent period in the TDK. His character was fucking annoying throughout the entire movie.

The only thing I really disliked about it was that Two-Face only existed in Nolan's Batman universe for like one day. I was hoping he wasn't really dead at the end of TDK. I don't know what purpose he would have served in "Rises" though. But Two-Face is one of my favorite villains, because Batman/Bruce actually cares about him.

Red Brooklyn
08-02-2012, 12:10 PM
His death was immaterial; his defeat was what mattered.

Batman defeated him. And I disagree with the idea that the way it was done wasn't 'batmanish' enough. Wayne learned in prison that Bane's mask kept the pain at bay. He made a clear, concerted effort to attack that mask. In so doing, he got Bane to 'fight like a younger man' himself, as Bane mocked Batman for doing in the prior fight.

I liked the way that scene played out. And I liked the unexpected and ignominious way he was dispatched once it was clear he was no more than a pawn in the whole thing.

He was taken from an unbeateable genius super-thug to a defeated sidekick in the span of 5 minutes; then unceremoniously blown to hell by another sidekick. I liked how Nolan was casually dismissive of him at that point.

How he died was ultimately irrelevant after he was decisively handled up to it.
Thank you. Excellent post.

I've been trying to come up with the right way to word my feelings about this in a post. You did it. Exactly.

patteeu
08-02-2012, 12:24 PM
Thank you. Excellent post.

I've been trying to come up with the right way to word my feelings about this in a post. You did it. Exactly.

Seconded.

Micjones
08-02-2012, 12:55 PM
He was taken from an unbeateable genius super-thug to a defeated sidekick in the span of 5 minutes.

I think, for some, that's why it was unsatisfying.

Frazod
08-02-2012, 03:10 PM
I think, for some, that's why it was unsatisfying.

The only thing I didn't like about it was that you didn't see the splattered chunks of his corpse clearly. Perhaps on the director's cut blu-ray.

Fried Meat Ball!
08-02-2012, 03:14 PM
The only thing I didn't like about it was that you didn't see the splattered chunks of his corpse clearly. Perhaps on the director's cut blu-ray.

It blew a hole in a pile of cars. Bane would have been a red mist.

Frazod
08-02-2012, 03:25 PM
It blew a hole in a pile of cars. Bane would have been a red mist.

I want to see the red mist.

I also think it would have been cool if Miranda had lived long enough to see the bomb expode out to sea. Her last thought should not have been satisfaction (I feel the same way about Khan in Star Trek II).

I'm just vindictive that way. :D

CoMoChief
08-03-2012, 12:09 PM
A few things I don't like about the movie:

Bane's death

Steelers players cameo's (don't care if it was Heniz Field, that was cheesy)

A little girl was able to escape from the pit of hell, but Batman couldn't (at first)???

mikeyis4dcats.
08-03-2012, 12:33 PM
A few things I don't like about the movie:

Bane's death

Steelers players cameo's (don't care if it was Heniz Field, that was cheesy)

A little girl was able to escape from the pit of hell, but Batman couldn't (at first)???


meh.

meh.

you totally missed the point.

-King-
08-03-2012, 01:16 PM
meh.

meh.

you totally missed the point.

Completely ROFL

bowener
08-03-2012, 02:11 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/daily-morning-awesomeness-14.jpg

In my mind Bruce Wayne had already become a recluse a while before Batman disappeared, but now that I think about it, did the film say that Batman hadn't been seen since the night Dent died?

mikeyis4dcats.
08-03-2012, 02:15 PM
In my mind Bruce Wayne had already become a recluse a while before Batman disappeared, but now that I think about it, did the film say that Batman hadn't been seen since the night Dent died?

yes. It was believed that Batman killed Dent and was on the run.

bowener
08-03-2012, 02:28 PM
yes. It was believed that Batman killed Dent and was on the run.

Ok, thank you. Then yeah, I will believe that BW went reclusive a while later so that it didn't look so strange. He could always say he lost his faith in humanity after Dent was "murdered" and disappear. Still in my mind BTW.

mikeyis4dcats.
08-03-2012, 02:35 PM
Ok, thank you. Then yeah, I will believe that BW went reclusive a while later so that it didn't look so strange. He could always say he lost his faith in humanity after Dent was "murdered" and disappear. Still in my mind BTW.

It could also be said that Bruce was still mourning Rachel.

Buehler445
08-03-2012, 05:47 PM
Ok, thank you. Then yeah, I will believe that BW went reclusive a while later so that it didn't look so strange. He could always say he lost his faith in humanity after Dent was "murdered" and disappear. Still in my mind BTW.

Nah. They didn't go missing at the same time. It talked about Bruce Wayne pushing the fusion reactor for like 3 years. Then they figured out it could be weaponized and that's when he becomes a recluse.

Jawshco
08-03-2012, 09:06 PM
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/62406369@N05/7708077298/" title="Bat Joffrey by Jawshco, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/7708077298_f82dd52479.jpg" width="264" height="480" alt="Bat Joffrey"></a>

bowener
08-03-2012, 09:42 PM
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/62406369@N05/7708077298/" title="Bat Joffrey by Jawshco, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/7708077298_f82dd52479.jpg" width="264" height="480" alt="Bat Joffrey"></a>

I watched BB the other day, and when I saw that ugly fuckers face I knew right away it had to be that turd Geoffrey from Game of Thrones. Ugliest fucking face on an actor that isn't named Mickey Rourke.

Jawshco
08-04-2012, 01:06 AM
I watched BB the other day, and when I saw that ugly ****ers face I knew right away it had to be that turd Geoffrey from Game of Thrones. Ugliest ****ing face on an actor that isn't named Mickey Rourke.

Agreed. When SOIAF booke described Joffery's foppy "wormy lipped,"appearance, I thought they nailed the casting when they chose little Jackie Gleason. That kid looks perfect for the role.

BIG_DADDY
08-04-2012, 01:11 AM
I thought the movie was pretty entertaining outside of the whole batman needing help eating his waffels and wiping his own ass before miraculously turning into an unstoppable force minutes later thang. That was lame.

Sure-Oz
08-04-2012, 09:52 AM
I think batman was just a depressed ass that needed his bed made. Apparently never took care of his injuries either

kysirsoze
08-04-2012, 02:25 PM
I thought the movie was pretty entertaining outside of the whole batman needing help eating his waffels and wiping his own ass before miraculously turning into an unstoppable force minutes later thang. That was lame.

My only problem with that was the knee. He needed a cane, but a fancy brace made him able to kick rocks apart? I know we suspend a lot of disbelief in regards to the tech in these movies, but C'MON.

mikeyis4dcats.
08-05-2012, 05:46 PM
saw this mentioned elsewhere, and it's spot on.

Bane sounds like Winnie The Pooh.

Psyko Tek
08-05-2012, 06:16 PM
Can you explain this to me a bit more

What was the Twist?

The fact that Bruce was with Cat Woman? The Fact that he didn't die?

Just a little confused


Batman does not get a happy ending,
it worked for the movies
I liked it but really the Batman needed a death, Bruce wayne can live on,
wonder if him an Selina are pulling off hiests for fun


and no fucking Robin sequels, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Carrie Kelly but would not mind seeing Damian Wayne try it
out geek that

Psyko Tek
08-05-2012, 06:33 PM
It seems a lot of people (not just here, but on other boards, reviews, etc) are saying they felt Bane was neutered in the second act, that it was a big mistake to take all the wind out of him in favor of the "lame" Talia twist. People are saying they don't care about Talia at all, that they want more Bane. I happen to disagree, but it seems a common issue with the film.

For those who didn't like the twist and felt it hindered Bane, can I ask how you felt about Ra's reveal in Batman Begins? Because that is sort of the same thing, isn't it? Scarecrow seems to be the villain, he sort of disappears later in the movie, has a final scene that feels maybe anti-climactic, and all in favor of revealing that Ducard is alive and is, in fact, Ra's al Ghul.

If Batman Begins didn't bother you, but TDKR did, may I ask why? Is it how powerful Bane is versus how powerful Scarecrow is? Is it because we had more time to invest in Ducard/Ra's? I'm just curious. This isn't meant to be a challenge or anything, just conversation.

the whole talia thing threw me, cause I thought he wasn;t following continuity, shit the lifted lined from miller's daek nknight returns, and the no man;s land arcs, felt like an idiot,

but he fucked her
we will see Damian Wayne

Psyko Tek
08-05-2012, 06:52 PM
[QUOTE=Cassel's Reckoning;8775911]I didn't even come up with that, I'm hardly trying to be critical. But it hits home pretty hard.

What Batman did didn't feel like a Batman solution. It felt like generic action hero bullshit.

Lazy, sloppy, unsatisfying.[/Q

I disagree, he planned for his death, and laid down framework for his legacy to continue on,
and he must have also planed for his life
when he ended up with Selina in the cafe , for Alfred to see.
also nasty dick move to make alfred think he was dead
so since Talia is dead ans those fraudulent claims must have been figured out
who owns wayne corp?

Psyko Tek
08-05-2012, 06:59 PM
Is GoChiefs going against the norm again? How unusual.

that's goat cheese, he needs to have a list of ex names
attached to his posts
oncehis history is revealed then I can understand what he is doing, thanks luv

shorman22
08-05-2012, 09:22 PM
Is it just me or do you also believe that Nolan would come back and make another one. If he wanted to end it he could have ended inception like with the butler's smile.

Sure-Oz
08-05-2012, 09:59 PM
Certainly leaves it open for JGL to take over as Batman.

that said i just don't see it happening with Nolan.

Deberg_1990
08-05-2012, 10:20 PM
Is it just me or do you also believe that Nolan would come back and make another one. If he wanted to end it he could have ended inception like with the butler's smile.

I dont see it. I think hes done.

Hes the most "real artist" of any of the comic book directors besides maybe Singer, and is probably ready to move on to something else and let someone elses vision take over.

Guru
08-05-2012, 10:23 PM
I dont see it. I think hes done.

Hes the most "real artist" of any of the comic book directors besides maybe Singer, and is probably ready to move on to something else and let someone elses vision take over.

Too bad Singer didn't do X3

WhiteWhale
08-06-2012, 01:06 PM
I dont see it. I think hes done.

Hes the most "real artist" of any of the comic book directors besides maybe Singer, and is probably ready to move on to something else and let someone elses vision take over.

Singer has directed 3 comic book movies. One was decent (X-2) one was bad (X-men) and one was just god awful (super-stalker-deadbeat-dad-man returns). He turned one of my favorite comics into 2 hour allegories for his own homosexuality. Vanity projects. I hate that he ever worked on them.

Nolan made 3 movies and all of them were anywhere from very good to excellent.

Even Raimi did good on two of three.

JD10367
08-06-2012, 02:36 PM
Singer has directed 3 comic book movies. One was decent (X-2) one was bad (X-men) and one was just god awful (super-stalker-deadbeat-dad-man returns). He turned one of my favorite comics into 2 hour allegories for his own homosexuality. Vanity projects. I hate that he ever worked on them.

Nolan made 3 movies and all of them were anywhere from very good to excellent.

Even Raimi did good on two of three.

I'd disagree with the "one was bad". I enjoyed the first "X-Men". And I actually thought "Superman Returns" wasn't as bad as everyone else does. Sure, it was a bit emo-homo, and the whole Superbaby thing was a little out there and didn't need to be done, but it had good visual style, and Brandon Routh did as good of a Christopher Reeve impersonation as he could. The problem with that film (other than the aforementioned Superbaby plot) was that they simply tried to continue the Reeve portrayal; this new version, taking Supes in a hopefully-darker direction, is at least a new interpretation of the character.

CoMoChief
08-06-2012, 02:37 PM
The superman returns movie was garbage.

lcarus
08-06-2012, 03:53 PM
The superman returns movie was garbage.

I never saw it. Assumed it would be garbage.

Sure-Oz
08-06-2012, 07:42 PM
The Superman returns was OK....not bad but Superman needs a fucking facelift like Batman did.

I have hopes for Singer/Nolan to get the new one going. The actor def. looks the part and not in a fruity way like the past guys

KcMizzou
08-06-2012, 07:51 PM
The Superman returns was OK....not bad but Superman needs a ****ing facelift like Batman did.

I have hopes for Singer/Nolan to get the new one going. The actor def. looks the part and not in a fruity way like the past guysThe problem is, Superman's not nearly as interesting a character.

Sure-Oz
08-06-2012, 07:55 PM
The problem is, Superman's not nearly as interesting a character.

Agreed....

I've always hoped for a solid Superman flick.

However I loved the 'Smallville' series on tv, that was more interesting than the Superman movies.

I'd want something better than all of those though

bowener
08-07-2012, 12:26 AM
Something I've always found interesting about Superman is how he portrays being a human being. Bumbling, clumsy and meek (at least in Donner's films).

Pestilence
08-07-2012, 09:12 AM
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Fried Meat Ball!
08-07-2012, 09:22 AM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/good-points-everywhere-25.jpg

ROFL

Sure-Oz
08-07-2012, 08:50 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/good-points-everywhere-25.jpg

Classic

Reaper16
08-07-2012, 10:13 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/good-points-everywhere-25.jpg

That doesn't make any sense. Bruce destroyed the giant, illegal sonar machine. He told Luscious to input a code after Joker was apprehended; once that code was input the machine self-destructed.

How did people misread/misremember that scene? It was a very important character moment.

ThaVirus
08-07-2012, 10:31 PM
We remember.

"As long as this machine is at Wayne Enterprises, I won't be."- Fox

Its not like he couldn't rebuild it. He should have never thrown a fit in the first place. Its not like Bats was using it to eavesdrop on regular civilians phone calls to their boyfriends and shit. He was using it solely to locate the baddies. And Lucius threw a fit like a prima donna bitch. That tech would have been invaluable in the third film.

Reaper16
08-07-2012, 10:34 PM
We remember.

"As long as this machine is at Wayne Enterprises, I won't be."- Fox

Its not like he couldn't rebuild it. He should have never thrown a fit in the first place. Its not like Bats was using it to eavesdrop on regular civilians phone calls to their boyfriends and shit. He was using it solely to locate the baddies. And Lucius threw a fit like a prima donna bitch. That tech would have been invaluable in the third film.

Which just goes to prove the real source of the Nolan Batman trilogy's popularity: America's unabashed love/aspiration of living under fascist rule.

Guru
08-07-2012, 11:02 PM
That doesn't make any sense. Bruce destroyed the giant, illegal sonar machine. He told Luscious to input a code after Joker was apprehended; once that code was input the machine self-destructed.

How did people misread/misremember that scene? It was a very important character moment.

you are reading too much into the JOKE.

ThaVirus
08-07-2012, 11:11 PM
Which just goes to prove the real source of the Nolan Batman trilogy's popularity: America's unabashed love/aspiration of living under fascist rule.

It was a movie and the picture was a joke.

You're reading too much into it.

JD10367
08-08-2012, 09:06 AM
I think I'm past 40 viewings now. I lost count. I'm officially sick of this film.

lcarus
08-08-2012, 09:08 AM
I think I'm past 40 viewings now. I lost count. I'm officially sick of this film.

Lol, I saw it twice. I'm not ready to see it again until blu-ray.

JD10367
08-08-2012, 09:10 AM
Lol, I saw it twice. I'm not ready to see it again until blu-ray.

By the end of August, I'm going to be able to "Rocky Horror" the entire performance of Hardy as Bane, complete with hand gestures, accent, vocal pitch, and intonation. Maybe I'll start taking steroids and that'll be my Halloween costume.

Micjones
08-08-2012, 09:31 AM
By the end of August, I'm going to be able to "Rocky Horror" the entire performance of Hardy as Bane, complete with hand gestures, accent, vocal pitch, and intonation. Maybe I'll start taking steroids and that'll be my Halloween costume.

How many times have you seen it now?

patteeu
08-08-2012, 11:11 AM
How many times have you seen it now?

I think I'm past 40 viewings now. I lost count. I'm officially sick of this film.

^

bowener
08-08-2012, 01:41 PM
How many times have you seen it now?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/88430/2379724-batman-facepalm1_super.jpg

-King-
08-08-2012, 02:10 PM
Which just goes to prove the real source of the Nolan Batman trilogy's popularity: America's unabashed love/aspiration of living under fascist rule.

You movie (or should I say film) snobs are something else.
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Reaper16
08-08-2012, 02:16 PM
You movie (or should I say film) snobs are something else.
Posted via Mobile Device

I don't see how someone could argue that the Nolan Batman films aren't extremely neo-conservative, to the point of fascism.

Fried Meat Ball!
08-08-2012, 02:19 PM
You movie (or should I say film) snobs are something else.
Posted via Mobile Device

You LCD audiences are never disappointed.

Mr. Plow
08-09-2012, 08:13 AM
you are reading too much into the JOKE.


Exactly.