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Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 02:57 AM
The Declaration Of Independence, MO
http://i.imgur.com/OXNmJ.jpg

The People vs. Matthew Gus Brennan Cassel

When in the course of football events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the fandom bands which have connected them with a Quarterback, and to assume among the Powers of the NFL, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Football and of the NFL's Goodell entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Quarterbacks are not created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain Unalienable Talents, that among these are Arm Strength, Accuracy and the Pursuit of Championships.

That to secure these talents, Quarterbacks are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the Consent of the Fanbase, That whenever any Form of Quarterback becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Quarterbacks, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Attendance At Arrowhead and Hope For A Championship.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Quarterbacks Long Established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably The Same Offense evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to Throw Off Such Quarterbacks, and to provide new Guards (however, neither left nor right) for their Future Rooting Interests.

Such has been the patient sufferance of these Chiefs Fans; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Offense. The history of the present Quarterback is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an Absolute Run-First Offense over the State of Missouri.

To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.


Cassel 3:16




Matt Cassel is 19-30 in his 49 career games with the Chiefs.

He is 15-9 in games where we ran the ball more than we threw it.

He is 1-1 in games where rushes and passes were equal. Rivers gifted us one win with a fumbled snap. We lost one other game where Ryan made Cassel cry.

However, in an NFL that is classified as a pass first league, he is 3-20 when we put the ball in the air more than we run it.

These games are - 2009 Steelers, 2009 Raiders, 2011 Vikings. The Chiefs have averaged 19.3 points in these wins. Gus threw 3 TD total.


Playoff Teams Beat Cassel At An Alarming Rate




Gus Cassel has a career winning percentage of .158 against playoff teams (3-16), including a 30-7 home loss to the Baltimore Ravens in the 2010 playoffs, in which Gus threw for 70 yards and 3 INT

However, two of these wins came during Cassel's time as a Patriot (2-4 overall). He is 1-12 against playoff teams as a member of the KC Chiefs.

The only playoff team Cassel has defeated as a Chief was the 7-9 Seahawks, who surrendered 270 rushing yards and turned the ball over thrice.

Gus Cassel's Record Against Playoff Teams:

2012 - 0-3
2011 - 0-2 (includes home loss to Tim Tebow)
2010 - 1-2
2009 - 0-5
2008 - 2-4

IMPORTANT FACT #1: Cassel has a losing record against playoff teams for one reason: he can't lead the offense to scores. Check out his PPG against playoff teams as a Chief:

2012: 12.0
2011: 6.5
2010: 19.3
2009: 13.0

A dismal average at just 13.2 PPG overall. But the 2010 average is completely skewed due to a 42-point outburst against the Seahawks. If you remove that game, Cassel's career average PPG against playoff teams as a Chief plummets to 10.8 PPG. LOL

This proves that regardless of the quality of the team around him, Cassel is a liability. The 2009 Chiefs blessed Cassel with a horrendous supporting cast, yet scored MORE points per game against playoff teams than the 2012 Chiefs! Inconceivable!

Against playoff teams, for his Chiefs career, Cassel averages 148.1 yards passing per game. He has 13 TD and 16 INT in these games (13 games in total). His quarterback rating in these games is a hilarious 67.1.

IMPORTANT FACT #2: With better quarterback play, the Chiefs might have won some of these games. This includes:

1. A 2009 game against Dallas where Cassel failed to produce a game-winning drive in OT, given two chances. His second chance, from the 50, ended in a three and out after two incompletions.

2. A 2009 game against the Bengals where the Chiefs' running game produced 123 yards and the defense held Cincy to 274 total yards.

3. A 2010 game where Cassel threw for 153 yards in a loss to the Colts, as he watched the Chiefs run for 113 yards and hold Peyton Manning to 5.5 yards per attempt. This was against the league's 23rd ranked defense.

4. A 2010 playoff game that was scored 13-7 late in the third quarter. From this point forward Cassel committed a crucial intentional grounding penalty and threw an INT on the ensuing possession, ending the game.

5. A 2011 game where the Chiefs, even without Jamaal Charles, ran for 134 yards and held the Broncos to two completions. Cassel threw for 93 yards against the league's 24th ranked defense, and then sustained a hand injury and conveniently escaped judgment against the difficult part of our schedule.

6. A 2012 game against the Baltimore Ravens, in which Cassel threw 2 INTs while the offense scored 6 points. The Chiefs lost 9-6.


IMPORTANT FACT #3: Gus Cassel has never won a close game against a playoff team. All 3 of his wins have been blowouts, 2 of which were aided by elite performances from Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Dwayne Bowe and Jamaal Charles. In a third win, Kurt Warner was pulled before NE's defense had a chance to kill him.

Winning Teams Beat Cassel At An Alarming Rate




It is important to note the distinction of Cassel's record against winning teams (9-7 or better) and playoff teams, since the only playoff team Cassel has ever defeated as a Chief was a losing team (the 7-9 Seahawks).

This also allows us to quantify his performance against good teams who miss the playoffs. It also allows us to see how he has succeeded only vs weak schedules.

Gus Cassel has a career winning percentage of 0.238 against winning teams (5-16). This includes a playoff loss to the 2010 Ravens. It also includes three wins with the Patriots, meaning Cassel is 2-11 as Chiefs quarterback against winning teams.

Gus Cassel's Record Against Winning Teams:

2012: 0-3
2011: 0-1
2010: 1-2
2009: 1-5
2008: 3-5

IMPORTANT FACT #1: One of Cassel's two victories as Chiefs quarterback against winning teams came at the beginning of the 2010 season, against the San Diego Chargers (9-7). Cassel threw for 68 yards in this game. The Chiefs scored based primarily upon:

1. A long run by Jamaal Charles.
2. A punt return by Dexter McCluster.
3. A fumble recovery, leading to a 3-play, 12-yard drive, orchestrated completely by The Magnificent Gus Cassel.

The Chiefs had exactly one third down conversion. It was also raining in this game, which could explain why Cassel chose not to complete passes. NOTE: Philip Rivers, who is waterproof, threw for 298 yards in this game, and KC's defense preserved a win with a goal-line stand.

IMPORTANT FACT #2: In Cassel's other victory over a winning team as a member of the Chiefs (vs 2009 Steelers), he made several excellent plays during the fourth quarter and overtime.

NFL historians remain skeptical, but it is possible a quarterback who makes plays late in games is key to a championship team, and may result in more wins over teams such as the 2009 Steelers, the defending Super Bowl Champions.

Cassel Lacks Deep Passing Ability



In a league that is defined as a passing league (see above), throwing the ball down the field is important.

In 2011, the NFL's top seven teams in yards per attempt featured six playoff qualifiers (or half of the league's postseason field), including Super Bowl teams New England and New York. Of the last seven Super Bowl winners, five ranked 4th or higher in yards per attempt.

In 2012, 7 of the top 10 teams in yards per attempt qualified for the playoffs.

These are trends that cannot be ignored.

IMPORTANT FACT #1: No team "led" by Gus Cassel has ever finished higher than 16th in yards per attempt. Cassel's individual ranking in yards per attempt over the last four seasons is as follows:

Gus Cassel, Yards Per Attempt, By Year:


2012 - 29th
2011 - 29th
2010 - 19th
2009 - 30th
2008 - 15th

IMPORTANT FACT #2: In 2008, a season wherein Cassel played with perhaps the greatest deep threat in league history (Randy Moss), he hit only six completions to Moss that traveled over 20 yards. Only two of these completions traveled over 30 yards. This was less than half the number of deep completions Moss hauled in the year prior (14).

For the entire year, Cassel completed only 8 of 38 (21%) passes that traveled over 20 yards. For comparison, consider Tyler Thigpen, who completed 15 of 56 (27%) passes over 20 yards that season. NOTE: Thigpen was traded the following year in favor of Cassel.

Cassel's deep passing woes in 2008 began a trend that has not improved much during his time in Kansas City.

Gus Cassel, Deep Passing, By Year:


2012 - 10 for 34 (29%)
2011 - 9 for 30 (30%)
2010 - 10 for 44 (23%) - BEST YEAR OF GUS CASSEL'S LIFE
2009 - 16 for 55 (29%)
2008 - 8 for 38 (21%)

For comparison, we present every 2011 playoff QB"

Deep Passing, 2011 Playoff QBs

Aaron Rodgers - 30 for 57 (53%)
Drew Brees - 31 for 61 (50.8%)
Andy Dalton - 24 for 56 (43%)
Eli Manning - 37 for 98 (38%)
Alex Smith - 13 for 36 (36%)
Matt Stafford - 22 for 63 (35%)
Matt Schaub - 11 for 32 (34%)
Tom Brady - 15 for 47 (32%)
Ben Roethlisberger - 16 for 55 (29%)
Tim Tebow - 14 for 57 (24.5%)
Joe Flacco - 18 for 78 (23%)
Matt Ryan - 11 for 47 (23%)

IMPORTANT FACT #3: During Gus Cassel's BEST SEASON (2010) he posted a lower deep completion percentage than Tim Tebow, who is now a backup for Mark Sanchez, who is not good.

IMPORTANT FACT #4: Using Tom Brady or Joe Flacco's deep passing statistics to defend Gus Cassel is not allowed.

IMPORTANT FACT #5: The NFL leader in deep completions (Eli) WON THE FUCKING SUPER BOWL.

IMPORTANT FACT #6: The 2011 Chiefs missed the playoffs because Carson Palmer completed a 53-yard bomb.

IMPORTANT FACT #7: Gus Cassel once hit the crossbar attempting a hail mary.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/doink.gif

IMPORTANT FACT #8 Sometimes Cassel doesn't even see wide open receivers down field.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

IMPORTANT FACT #9 Even when he does...

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/over.gif

IMPORTANT FACT #10 Ten yards?

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lnihd4.jpg

IMPORTANT FACT #11:

As a Chief, in games where Cassel's team rushes for less than 135 yards he is 5-21. In the five wins, Cassel's defense holds the opposition to an average of 15.4 points.


Cassel Makes Offensive Linemen Worse



Cassel apologists cite the Chiefs' pass protection woes as responsible for his generally poor production and often embarrassing play. While it is true the Chiefs have had offensive line issues (such as Fece Richardson, the worst tackle in NFL history), they are overstated.

IMPORTANT FACT #1: During the 2008 season with New England, Cassel was sacked once every 11 pass attempts. Behind the exact same offensive line Tom Brady was sacked once every 35 pass attempts. This is a particularly harsh indictment of Cassel's ability to detect, respond to and escape pressure considering Brady (who is less athletic) was operating an offense that was more wide open, featured more of an emphasis down the field and was less dependent on running.

IMPORTANT FACT #2: Despite the fact that the Chiefs' offensive line has improved in talent and performance every season he has started games in Kansas City, Cassel's sack rate doesn't really change.

Gus Cassel Sack Rate + KC/NE Pass Blocking Ranking, By Year (provided by PFF)


2012 - 1 sack every 14.5 attempts - 19th ranked pass blocking line. (editor's note - ranking skewed by Branden Albert leaving the lineup after Cassel was benched)
2011 - 1 sack every 12 attempts - 5th ranked pass blocking line.
2010 - 1 sack every 17 attempts - 16th ranked pass blocking line.
2009 - 1 sack every 12 attempts - 30th ranked pass blocking line.
2008 - 1 sack every 11 attempts - 18th ranked pass blocking line.

IMPORTANT FACT #3: It should be noted that Cassel's 2010 "improvement" in sack rate directly coincided with the Chiefs #1 running game. Also, at the conclusion of the season, he was sacked three times, while attempting 18 passes, against the Baltimore Ravens, who had the league's 28th rated pass rush (credit: PFF).

IMPORTANT FACT #4: Per their usual brilliance, PFF assigns sack responsibility to quarterbacks on certain plays. In just nine games last season, Cassel was credited with "sacking himself" five times.

IMPORTANT FACT #5: Tyler Palko, who probably doesn't belong on anyone's NFL roster, let alone in a huddle, had a sack rate (1 sack every 12 attempts) identical to Cassel's.

IMPORTANT FACT #6: Kyle Orton, who is not known for elusive ability, was sacked once in three games as Kansas City's starter. GM Scott Pioli refused to re-sign him for unknown reasons, perhaps relating to brain damage or an overdose of Cannoli.

IMPORTANT FACT #7 Even when he successfuly eludes pressure, Cassel manages to unsuccessfully elude pressure.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/cassel%20sucks2.gif

IMPORTANT FACT #8 Sometimes, Gus is capable of missing open receivers and walking himself into a sack all on the same play.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/sack.gif


Cassel Struggles Against Good Defenses At An Alarming Rate



While it is true that Gus Cassel occasionally turns in a nice game or does something "heroic" (such as the time he valiantly played a few days after a co-conspirator induced a potentially debilitating rupture within his appendix), he more often than not struggles against good defenses. In a conference with teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Houston, New York and Cincinnati, can Cassel beat such defenses? How else would he advance to, or even win playoff games?

For his career, when facing a top 10 defense (measured by yards or points allowed), Cassel is 5-11.

Gus Cassel's Record Against Top 10 Defenses, By Year:


2012: 0-3
2011: 0-1
2010: 1-1
2009: 3-3
2008: 1-3

That doesn't seem so bad (relatively speaking), although Cassel seems to have ducked good defenses the last two seasons (perhaps the best he's ever been able to avoid pressure his whole career).

What about his statistics?

Cassel's 185 yards per game in those 16 contests isn't bad (for Gus). His TD/INT ratio (11/16) is horrible. His team averages 16.1 offensive points per game.

Even worse: His Chiefs teams average 12.6 offensive points per game.

IMPORTANT FACT #1: Cincinnati, Baltimore, Houston and Denver all qualified for the AFC Playoffs this season. All ranked in the top 10 on defense.

QUERY: Do you feel more comfortable pitting Gus Cassel against a Top 10 defense, or would you rather have him face Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Choose wisely, because...

Cassel Struggles Against Elite Quarterbacks At An Alarming Rate



A short list of quarterbacks Gus Cassel has faced throughout his career that might be considered "elite," or "definitely not Cassel in any way":

Rivers, P. Manning, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, Romo, Schaub, Flacco, Stafford, Ryan, Brees

Cassel's record against this group: 4-17 (.190).[/B]

IMPORTANT FACT #1 In one of these wins, Cassel threw for 68 yards.

IMPORTANT FACT #2 In one of these wins, Philip Rivers fumbled a snap for no apparent reason, giving the game away.

Gus Cassel's Record Against Elite Quarterbacks, By Year:


2012: 1-5
2011: 1-2
2010: 1-3 68 HOT SHIT YARDS
2009: 1-4
2008: 0-3

IMPORTANT FACT #3 In these 19 games against the elite quarterbacks of the NFL, Cassel's teams have averaged 15 offensive points per game.


IMPORTANT FACT #4 The last NFL team to win a postseason game without scoring at least 17 points was the 2008 Ravens. They had the #2 defense in the league. They lost the next week to a team with a fat-faced franchise quarterback.

IMPORTANT FACT #5 As Chiefs QB, Cassel is 0-20 against teams that score more than 24 points.



We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of Chiefs Fans, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme GM of Arrowhead for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Chiefs, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Chiefs fans are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent of Matthew Gus Brennan Cassel.

That they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Patriot Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of New England, is and ought to be totally dissolved.

And that as Free and Independent Chiefs Fans, they have full Power to levy Boos, conclude Peace, contract Alliances with Dwayne Bowe, establish Commerce with Top Five Picks, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent Fans may of right do.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Playoff Fortunes and our Sacred Fandom.


SIGN BELOW


This post made possible by SNR, Coogs and The Gang Of 14. (http://bit.ly/SJ6gVk)
Statistics compiled by ESPN, PFF and PFR

Dedicated to 'Hamas' Jenkins, our Patrick Henry, who said "Give Me Sanchez, Or Give Me Death."

http://i.imgur.com/B6j5T.jpg

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/lolkc7.gif

http://i.imgur.com/8Zcgx.gif



For further details, please review The Pioli Facts. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQtFpV6F1CiSloh_01lwwDT-8uZvQy9VyvIaW70EkLc/edit)

The Declaration has been updated with statistics from 2012 and FINALIZED. Remove Matt Cassel from Kansas City. FOREVER.

|Zach|
07-21-2012, 03:02 AM
Holy shit you have no life.

Chief_For_Life58
07-21-2012, 03:06 AM
Chief for life approves this message

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 03:08 AM
Holy shit you have no life.

SEIZE THE TRAITOR

Munson
07-21-2012, 03:29 AM
There is so much Cassel fail in this thread that I can't even wrap my mind around it.

F*** YOU PIOLI! :banghead:

Bane
07-21-2012, 03:45 AM
If Pioli watched that and didn't hang himself I'd shit bricks!

Fruit Ninja
07-21-2012, 03:52 AM
lol, Everyone needs to tweet this shit out to Anyone thats in the media. haha

Munson
07-21-2012, 04:00 AM
This is the greatest anti-Cassel manifesto ever written in the history of the world. :clap:

BCD
07-21-2012, 04:09 AM
So, Cassel sucks?

Brand new information.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 04:16 AM
Also, Barret got this ball rolling.


Is there a chance that someone could come up with a sticky post that lists ALL the damning evidence against Matt Cassel so we can have it in 1 area? This way if someone has to educate the brain dead minions out there we can just link that and be done with it.

Thank you in advance if someone steps up to the plate and completes such a thing.

Fruit Ninja
07-21-2012, 04:29 AM
Only thing missing is the matt in the hat gif. That was total fucking failure against the Chargers. lol

threebag02
07-21-2012, 04:50 AM
I fucking hate you Matt Cassel.

Ace Gunner
07-21-2012, 05:30 AM
http://i.imgur.com/B6j5T.jpg

hahahaha Brilliant Wendler

-King-
07-21-2012, 05:35 AM
So, Cassel sucks?

Brand new information.

Pretty much.
Posted via Mobile Device

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 05:52 AM
i only have one question after looking at this thread.
how can Pioli or any GM in the league say Matt Cassel is our starter?

Ace Gunner
07-21-2012, 06:04 AM
i only have one question after looking at this thread.
how can Pioli or any GM in the league say Matt Cassel is our starter?

Now you know why the NFL restricts camera views from showing WR routes at the snap.

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 06:08 AM
Now you know why the NFL restricts camera views from showing WR routes at the snap.

;)

Jethopper
07-21-2012, 06:22 AM
"Give me Stanzi, or give me death!" - Patrick "Surtain" Henry

PGM
07-21-2012, 06:35 AM
Great, now he'll have a career year.

Barret
07-21-2012, 06:49 AM
Also, Barret got this ball rolling.

Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for. I would give you rep but I have to spread more rep around first or something.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 07:50 AM
I need not your rep, fellow Patriot. Only your signature.

Molitoth
07-21-2012, 07:58 AM
Great stuff Clay.

Direckshun
07-21-2012, 08:08 AM
This is outstanding.

wazu
07-21-2012, 08:10 AM
I need not your rep, fellow Patriot. Only your signature.

Wazu

I want Pioli to be able to read this without his spectacles.

notorious
07-21-2012, 08:23 AM
Good work.

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 08:24 AM
when the Saints play the Chiefs i bet their defense has a Fine instead of a Bounty for any player getting near Cassel.
i mean they cant have him leaving the game, they might lose.

mdchiefsfan
07-21-2012, 08:55 AM
signed

Three7s
07-21-2012, 08:58 AM
All we need now is LA Chiefs Fan to show up and this thread will be complete.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 09:01 AM
All we need now is LA Chiefs Fan to show up and this thread will be complete.

Our Benedict Arnold.

gblowfish
07-21-2012, 09:06 AM
Leave my hometown OUTTA this. Assholes!

wazu
07-21-2012, 09:44 AM
Leave my hometown OUTTA this. Assholes!

Good call. Wouldn't want it to be associated with anything that isn't crystal meth.

L.A. Chieffan
07-21-2012, 09:46 AM
unmoved. long live king pioli!

notorious
07-21-2012, 09:48 AM
This, along with Afcasselstan, are brilliant.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 09:50 AM
unmoved. long live king pioli!

http://i.imgur.com/eKh1z.gif

Chocolate Hog
07-21-2012, 09:51 AM
Someone post a mitt Romney video so this will get moved to d.c.

L.A. Chieffan
07-21-2012, 09:51 AM
http://i.imgur.com/eKh1z.gif

that movie sucked

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 10:22 AM
Oh, and since some fool loyal to the crown will inevitably come around and defend Cassel based on his play against 8-8 teams (5-7):

2008: 1-1
2009: 1-2 (Jamaal Charles goes HAM against Denver)
2010: 1-2 (200 yards rushing + Dwayne Bowe beast mode + 18 pass attempts)
2011: 2-2 (includes win over Kyle Boller, Monday Night Miracle, and home loss to Tim Tebow)

Further information: Cassel's 4th quarter comebacks are a complete joke. Only two of these are legitimate - vs Pit and Indy.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CassMa00

Another shitty stat: Cassel is 15-15 in home starts (.500), and has 10 wins at home as Chiefs quarterback in THREE FUCKING YEARS.

He has a losing record at home as our quarterback. (10-12)

loochy
07-21-2012, 10:31 AM
Holy shit you have no life.

maybe, but it was still awesome

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 10:34 AM
maybe, but it was still awesome

It took me about seven hours to compile and format all the information, plus epic photoshop. Well worth it, and Zach is a fat bitch and suspected Cassel Apologist/Patriot Way Sympathizer.

rico
07-21-2012, 10:35 AM
Signed. This is awesome.

wazu
07-21-2012, 10:38 AM
It took me about seven hours to compile and format all the information, plus epic photoshop. Well worth it, and Zach is a fat bitch and suspected Cassel Apologist/Patriot Way Sympathizer.

That seven hours will save me hundreds of hours this fall trying to articulate just how worthless Cassel is, and why Pioli should be fired if the Chiefs fail to win a playoff game this year and finish the season with Matt still at QB.

Thank you.

SNR
07-21-2012, 11:01 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77pmhEUV91qe1l45o1_250.gif

SNR
07-21-2012, 11:04 AM
It took me about seven hours to compile and format all the information, plus epic photoshop. Well worth it, and Zach is a fat bitch and suspected Cassel Apologist/Patriot Way Sympathizer.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77pmhEUV91qe1l45o3_250.gif

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 11:23 AM
This is the least I could do after I wrote all that bullshit (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=211171) about Cassel during the 2009 offseason.

Here's what I think about Cassel vs Green.

Accuracy: Edge Cassel

http://gifsoup.com/view7/3330192/mel-gibson-reserved-o.gif

Molitoth
07-21-2012, 11:29 AM
Matt Cassel will have a more successful Chiefs career than Trent Green.

You heard it here first.

yeah dude, this one is a killer.

gochiefs_va
07-21-2012, 11:41 AM
http://www.facebook.com/KansasCityChiefs

Yes I did post a link to this on the Chiefs FB page in a comment...yes!

Fat Elvis
07-21-2012, 11:45 AM
Our Benedict Arnold.

Except the real Benedict Arnold was rather brilliant....

Detoxing
07-21-2012, 11:49 AM
Creative im sure, and probably needed. But....

tl;dr

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 12:02 PM
Creative im sure, and probably needed. But....

tl;dr

Cliffs:


The People vs. Matthew Gus Brennan Cassel

In an NFL that is classified as a passing first league, he is 3-16 when we put the ball in the air more than we run it.

Cassel has a career winning percentage of .1875 against playoff teams (3-13), and is 1-9 as Chiefs quarterback.

Against playoff teams, for his Chiefs career, Cassel averages 148.5 yards passing per game.

Cassel has a career winning percentage of 0.277 against winning teams (5-13). He is 2-8 as Chiefs quarterback against winning teams.

During Gus Cassel's BEST SEASON (2010) he posted a lower deep completion percentage than 2011 Tim Tebow. He has completed 25.7 percent of his passes over 20 yards for his career.

During 2008, Cassel was sacked once every 11 pass attempts. Behind the exact same line Tom Brady was sacked once every 35 attempts. Cassel was also sacked once every 12 attempts behind the 5th rated pass blocking line in Kansas City.

Cassel has a 5-8 record against top 10 defenses and averages 189 yards per game with a TD/INT ratio of 10/13. His teams average 16.6 offensive points per game. His Chiefs teams average 12 offensive points per game.

Cassel has a 3-12 record against Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco and Matthew Stafford. In these 15 games, his teams have averaged 14.4 offensive points per game.

Bowser
07-21-2012, 12:06 PM
Cliffs:

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww179/wonkybiff/gifs/markey_mark_wtf.gif

wazu
07-21-2012, 12:17 PM
Except the real Benedict Arnold was rather brilliant....

Benedict Arnold >>> L.A. Chieffan

Arnold won us Saratoga, which brought the French into the war, which ultimately led to victory. And his one attempt at betrayal completely failed.

L.A. Chieffan has contributed nothing, but comes to this site and betrays us every day.

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 01:01 PM
how could anyone watch this dude play and still defend him as our starter?

Deberg_1990
07-21-2012, 01:09 PM
Holy shit you have no life.

ROFL


My first thought as well

Reaper16
07-21-2012, 01:11 PM
Tremendous.

OnTheWarpath58
07-21-2012, 01:19 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s15wvpZ61ranhnao1_400.gif

Dante84
07-21-2012, 01:22 PM
Sticky, please.

qabbaan
07-21-2012, 01:23 PM
Reaction to whomever wrote the OP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsv0GGattHE

milkman
07-21-2012, 01:27 PM
The whole Declaration of Independence, Mo. delivery is a pretty stupid idea.

It takes away from the real meat of the post.

notorious
07-21-2012, 01:27 PM
Clay, although your work is wonderful, when I opened the thread I had the same reaction as I would opening a newspaper with the headline reading "Water is Wet".

GloryDayz
07-21-2012, 01:28 PM
Leave my hometown OUTTA this. Assholes!

Hey....cool, you get to stay a fan either way then!

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 01:28 PM
The whole Declaration of Independence, Mo. delivery is a pretty stupid idea.


It's awesome, bro.

Awesome.

It fits so well.

To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 01:30 PM
Reaction to whomever wrote the OP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsv0GGattHE

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jvGAE1JcGV4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

wazu
07-21-2012, 01:34 PM
The whole Declaration of Independence, Mo. delivery is a pretty stupid idea.

It takes away from the real meat of the post.

That's where you're wrong. It's marketing. There are a ton of people who would never read this post in a million years if it didn't have some humor framing the data for them. I'm pretty sure you aren't one of those, but you aren't the target. You already know the data. This is about aggregating the data and expanding the circle of those who know about it.

SNR
07-21-2012, 01:36 PM
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jvGAE1JcGV4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

qabbaan= the shitty kid from Jurassic Park III who stars as one of Mel Gibson's sons in this movie

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 01:43 PM
Plus, the Declaration of Independence was literally the same fucking thing.

They thought that people should be free from assholes, contended that they were dealing with an asshole, and presented facts detailing his assholism. Then they told the asshole to fuck off.

And they signed that shit.

And then they kicked ass and won a championship with the first franchise quarterback.

http://historynotes.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/us-washington-deleware.jpg

milkman
07-21-2012, 01:49 PM
That's where you're wrong. It's marketing. There are a ton of people who would never read this post in a million years if it didn't have some humor framing the data for them. I'm pretty sure you aren't one of those, but you aren't the target. You already know the data. This is about aggregating the data and expanding the circle of those who know about it.

I get that presentation is important for some.

I also think that Claythan is usually one of the better ones here at presentation.

I just think this particular presentation is fucking stupid.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 01:52 PM
Logical is burning the 2010 AFC West Championship flag.

Your argument is invalid.

L.A. Chieffan
07-21-2012, 01:54 PM
Milkman is a closet Cassell fan

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 01:55 PM
Logical is burning the 2010 AFC West Championship flag.

Your argument is invalid.

:drool:

whoman69
07-21-2012, 02:04 PM
Q

SNR
07-21-2012, 02:06 PM
Milkman is a closet Cassell fan

Thanks, LAC. You've given me a great opportunity to try out my latest invention. It emits a beep every time the word "dumbass" is uttered.

I've been meaning to put it through a stress test for some time now. Thanks to you (and milkman) that test is now possible

milkman
07-21-2012, 02:10 PM
Thanks, LAC. You've given me a great opportunity to try out my latest invention. It emits a beep every time the word "dumbass" is uttered.

I've been meaning to put it through a stress test for some time now. Thanks to you (and milkman) that test is now possible

I don't waste a perfectly good "dumbass" on LA Chieffan.

His schtick is not worth the effort.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 02:10 PM
By the way, there were some great Cassel GIFs that had the word "fuck" in them that I was afraid to repost, because CASSEL AIN'T THE ONLY DESPOT AROUND HERE. :D

Sannyasi
07-21-2012, 02:10 PM
Clay, although your work is wonderful, when I opened the thread I had the same reaction as I would opening a newspaper with the headline reading "Water is Wet".

Everyone here at CP knows how much Cassel sucks, but that doesn't mean it is not important to remind ourselves of exactly how much Cassel sucks.

DeezNutz
07-21-2012, 02:19 PM
OP is the most comprehensive "Cassel sucks" post in the history of CP.

Pioli, pwned.

SNR
07-21-2012, 02:22 PM
Next question:

How do we make sure this post finds its way into the hands of Pioli and/or Crennel?

If they're going to foolishly invest blind loyalty into this turd of a QB, I want that decision to haunt them at night.

chaotic646
07-21-2012, 02:38 PM
This is the greatest thread in the history of internet message boards.

Ace Gunner
07-21-2012, 02:41 PM
Next question:

How do we make sure this post finds its way into the hands of Pioli and/or Crennel?

If they're going to foolishly invest blind loyalty into this turd of a QB, I want that decision to haunt them at night.

Bilboard it baby. Always gets attn when some $ is spent.

CoMoChief
07-21-2012, 03:24 PM
This QB is fuckin dogshit LMAO

themanwithnoname
07-21-2012, 03:25 PM
Next question:

How do we make sure this post finds its way into the hands of Pioli and/or Crennel?

If they're going to foolishly invest blind loyalty into this turd of a QB, I want that decision to haunt them at night.

Can someone print off flyers and hand them out at training camp?

Even better, can someone do that and then get Matt Cassel to sign it?

saphojunkie
07-21-2012, 03:27 PM
:hail: :hail: :hail:

wazu
07-21-2012, 03:30 PM
Logical is burning the 2010 AFC West Championship flag.

Your argument is invalid.

I missed that part. Awesome. Some other good details in there. All it needs is that fisthead tattoo guy hiding somewhere discreetly.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 03:30 PM
Everyone here at CP knows how much Cassel sucks, but that doesn't mean it is not important to remind ourselves of exactly how much Cassel sucks.

More importantly...

http://i.imgur.com/2pDvu.jpg

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 03:31 PM
OP is the most comprehensive "Cassel sucks" post in the history of CP.

Pioli, pwned.

Thank you, Samuel Adams.

whoman69
07-21-2012, 03:49 PM
This is the greatest thread in the history of internet message boards.

Goatsee really had to make another mult to post this?

Brainiac
07-21-2012, 03:55 PM
You really should delete the Hamas quote. Sanchez is so bad the Jets acquired Tim Tebow. It takes credibility away.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 04:01 PM
Goatsee really had to make another mult to post this?

Nein. Doth thou not perceive what hath transpired here? Verily, after their long suffering beneath the cruel yoke of despotic reign, Chiefs fans are drawn hence to this thread, this forum, this haven of knowledge, like moths to flame.

Forsooth, let us set a fire in his flesh!

http://i.imgur.com/HTGbO.gif

T-post Tom
07-21-2012, 04:19 PM
This is the greatest thread in the history of internet message boards.

While I appreciate your exuberance, it's not.

But this is: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=182271

Chocolate Hog
07-21-2012, 04:28 PM
You really should delete the Hamas quote. Sanchez is so bad the Jets acquired Tim Tebow. It takes credibility away.

Sanchez has won more playoff games than the chiefs have the last 30+ years.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 04:40 PM
You really should delete the Hamas quote. Sanchez is so bad the Jets acquired Tim Tebow. It takes credibility away.

Mark Sanchez against winning teams*

2009: 6-4
2010: 4-5
2011: 0-4

*includes 4 playoff wins.

TOTAL: 10-13 (.434)

Cassel in KC: 2-8 (.200) (includes 68-yard explosion against 2010 Chargers)

whoman69
07-21-2012, 04:44 PM
Nein. Doth thou not perceive what hath transpired here? Verily, after their long suffering beneath the cruel yoke of despotic reign, Chiefs fans are drawn hence to this thread, this forum, this haven of knowledge, like moths to flame.

Forsooth, let us set a fire in his flesh!

http://i.imgur.com/HTGbO.gif

burn the witch? Does he weigh the same as a duck?

notorious
07-21-2012, 04:46 PM
Everyone here at CP knows how much Cassel sucks, but that doesn't mean it is not important to remind ourselves of exactly how much Cassel sucks.

Every time I look at what's left of my remote control I am reminded of exactly how much Cassel sucks.

whoman69
07-21-2012, 04:49 PM
Every time I look at what's left of my remote control I am reminded of exactly how much Cassel sucks.

It makes me glad I can't get Sunday ticket.

JASONSAUTO
07-21-2012, 04:50 PM
Every time I look at what's left of my remote control I am reminded of exactly how much Cassel sucks.

Should've learned a long time ago to just turn the game on and hide the remote
Posted via Mobile Device

L.A. Chieffan
07-21-2012, 04:55 PM
I can refute all those stats, but I'm too lazy.

notorious
07-21-2012, 04:58 PM
Should've learned a long time ago to just turn the game on and hide the remote
Posted via Mobile Device

LMAO

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 05:08 PM
I can refute all those stats, but I'm too lazy.

The best defense for all of Cassel's bullshit is that he hasn't faced that many winning teams the last two seasons. Just four in two years, which is shocking to be honest. I guess you could argue he hasn't had much of an opportunity to prove himself against good teams while playing with a solid supporting cast.

He has constantly ducked good teams the last two seasons by sheer fortune. Likely he would have been eviscerated by Rivers in San Diego in 2010, but our failed assassination attempt took priority.

In 2011 his convenient injury meant he didn't have to face:

New England
Pittsburgh
Green Bay

He also didn't have to face Chicago (Bears defense would have fucked him up), Oakland with Carson Palmer or Denver on the road.

Likely he would have lost all of those and we would have even stronger evidence that he's a piece of shit.

YOU CAN'T HIDE THIS YEAR, MATT.

Dayze
07-21-2012, 05:09 PM
Email this To that idiot Fescoe

SNR
07-21-2012, 05:22 PM
The best defense for all of Cassel's bullshit is that he hasn't faced that many winning teams the last two seasons. Just four in two years, which is shocking to be honest. I guess you could argue he hasn't had much of an opportunity to prove himself against good teams while playing with a solid supporting cast.

He has constantly ducked good teams the last two seasons by sheer fortune. Likely he would have been eviscerated by Rivers in San Diego in 2010, but our failed assassination attempt took priority.

In 2011 his convenient injury meant he didn't have to face:

New England
Pittsburgh
Green Bay

He also didn't have to face Chicago (Bears defense would have fucked him up), Oakland with Carson Palmer or Denver on the road.

Likely he would have lost all of those and we would have even stronger evidence that he's a piece of shit.

YOU CAN'T HIDE THIS YEAR, MATT.I think he would have won the Chicago game.

Too bad the Bears weren't a playoff team last year so he could score some points

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 05:25 PM
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Munson
07-21-2012, 05:29 PM
I've always wanted to learn how to throw a Matt Cassel-esque 20 yard wounded duck pass.

listopencil
07-21-2012, 05:37 PM
Plus, the Declaration of Independence was literally the same ****ing thing.

They thought that people should be free from assholes, contended that they were dealing with an asshole, and presented facts detailing his assholism. Then they told the asshole to **** off.

And they signed that shit.

And then they kicked ass and won a championship with the first franchise quarterback.

http://historynotes.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/us-washington-deleware.jpg

Peyton Manning

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 05:38 PM
You can find some bullshit on twitter.

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff445/biglump007/Jordans%20PC/Matt%20Cassel%20PC/MattCassel313of499.jpg

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 05:46 PM
It makes me glad I can't get Sunday ticket.

yeah.
i'll get the Ticket the day Cassel's moved to backup or released.

splatbass
07-21-2012, 05:49 PM
It seems Clayton has finally gone completely batshit crazy.

It wasn't a very long trip.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-21-2012, 05:50 PM
Freaking awesome work man. It made me laugh and cry at the same time knowing he's still on our team. This is the greatest thread of all time.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 05:51 PM
The message of freedom is spreading.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/wxx6r/the_declaration_of_independence_mo_the_people_vs/

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 05:53 PM
You can find some bullshit on twitter.

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff445/biglump007/Jordans%20PC/Matt%20Cassel%20PC/MattCassel313of499.jpg

if that was in my collection i'd burn it.

wazu
07-21-2012, 05:57 PM
if that was in my collection i'd burn it.

Screw that. Sell it to Pioli for big money.

BoneKrusher
07-21-2012, 05:58 PM
Screw that. Sell it to Pioli for big money.

yeah good idea.:D
he can spank his monkey to it.

Al Bundy
07-21-2012, 08:22 PM
Well... this is interesting.

rico
07-21-2012, 08:51 PM
The message of freedom is spreading.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/wxx6r/the_declaration_of_independence_mo_the_people_vs/

Nice. 14 points now.

notorious
07-21-2012, 08:54 PM
Matt Cassel is plotting to firebomb Clay's mom's basement right now.

notorious
07-21-2012, 08:57 PM
LMAO

I just noticed that you shopped Bowe and Haley's heads into one of the pics.

Coogs
07-21-2012, 09:43 PM
While it is true Cassel made some big plays in the win over the Steelers in 2009, that game also included a 97 yard KO return for a TD to open the game by Charles.

The Chiefs then went down by a score of 17-7 at half.

Enter Andy Studebakers 15 minutes of fame as an NFL player. Two 3rd quarter Interceptions... one of which he returned 94 yards to the Steelers 8 yard line, and resulted in two Matt Cassel sacks followed by a 27 yard FG by Succop to tie the game at 17.

Cassel then probably had some of his finer moments as a Chiefs QB to tie the game at 24.

In OT, when it appeared the Chiefs were going to lose, Big Ben was injured and Charlie Batch took over at QB with the Steelers right on the brink of FG range.

The Chiefs held.

Chris Chambers took a short pass and turned it into a 61 yard gain to the Steelers 4. Succop ended it.

ChiefsandO'sfan
07-21-2012, 09:52 PM
Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling

Pioli's boondoggle. Rest of the roster is good enough to contend. RT @ChiefsOrioles12: Just how bad Cassel is http://bit.ly/NEKmn6 #Chiefs


Clay i got him to RT this.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 09:58 PM
Matt Cassel is plotting to firebomb Clay's mom's basement right now.

He'll miss.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 09:58 PM
LMAO

I just noticed that you shopped Bowe and Haley's heads into one of the pics.

They are free men.

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 10:01 PM
Cassel then probably had some of his finer moments as a Chiefs QB to tie the game at 24.


Yes, he did. And we have to give him full credit for it. That was a good ending to that game for Cassel, especially since Bowe wasn't playing.

If I don't give Cassel credit for his successes, however minor, I can't feel 100% justified in burying him for his mistakes.

Coogs
07-21-2012, 10:03 PM
Yes, he did. And we have to give him full credit for it. That was a good ending to that game for Cassel, especially since Bowe wasn't playing.

If I don't give Cassel credit for his successes, however minor, I can't feel 100% justified in burying him for his mistakes.

Agreed.

BTW... good thread! :toast:

Douche Baggins
07-21-2012, 10:03 PM
In OT, when it appeared the Chiefs were going to lose, Big Ben was injured and Charlie Batch took over at QB with the Steelers right on the brink of FG range.


Ah, I forgot about this.

Does this really count as a win over an elite QB, then?

RunKC
07-21-2012, 10:10 PM
Watching Cassel struggle when he has forever to throw the ball in the pocket is going to piss me off so bad this year. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-21-2012, 11:09 PM
EVEN NOW Matt Cassel seeks to spread his discord and false hope among our fanbase. We must never relent. We will fight him on the internet, we will fight him at the Royals game, we will fight him at Arrowhead.

Win Throwing Lessons from Kansas City Chief, Matt Cassel!!


http://www.fryorthodontics.com/matt-cassel/

Not just anybody can hit a crossbar or throw an interception on a screen pass

Baby Lee
07-21-2012, 11:14 PM
Not just anybody can hit a crossbar or throw an interception on a screen pass

Or have a flea flicker get batted down at the line of scrimmage.

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-21-2012, 11:22 PM
Or have a flea flicker get batted down at the line of scrimmage.

LMAO Forgot all about that one

Not sure if I should laugh or cry

WilliamTheIrish
07-22-2012, 12:24 AM
"the tree of Quarterbacks must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and egotistical GM's".

Tribal Warfare
07-22-2012, 12:36 AM
Tribal Warfare

signed

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-22-2012, 12:47 AM
http://people.whitman.edu/~hundledr/courses/M250F03/hancock2.jpg

Chocolate Hog
07-22-2012, 01:34 AM
This thread is nothing but a bunch of haters and to that I say

CASSEL CASSEL CASSEL CASSEL CASSEL


On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our franchise.

We remain a young franchise, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.

(APPLAUSE)

In reaffirming the greatness of our franchise, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of shortcuts or settling for less.

Coogs
07-22-2012, 08:40 AM
Another interesting fact from Cassel's Pro Bowl 2010 season was the rushing stats from the 10 games that were won. In order, here are the 10 games...

26 carries... 135 yards
39 carries... 140 yards
39 carries... 207 yards
42 carries... 236 yards
45 carries... 274 yards
29 carries... 159 yards
48 carries... 270 yards
39 carries... 185 yards
42 carries... 210 yards
40 carries... 152 yards

Totals:

389 carries... 1968 yards

or

39 carries... 197 yards per game average.



Tim Tebow posted 8 wins during his famous 2011 season in Denver that featured nothing but running the ball. The rushing stats for Denver for those 8 games:

40 carries... 177 yards
39 carries... 299 yards
55 carries... 244 yards
34 carries... 125 yards
51 carries... 208 yards
32 carries... 150 yards
34 carries... 124 yards
34 carries... 131 yards

Totals:

319 carries... 1458 yards

or

40 carries... 182 yards per game average.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 09:12 AM
On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our franchise.

We remain a young franchise, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.

In reaffirming the greatness of our franchise, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of shortcuts or settling for less.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/The%20Patriot%20%20Battle.gif

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 09:38 AM
Another interesting fact from Cassel's Pro Bowl 2010 season was the rushing stats from the 10 games that were won. In order, here are the 10 games...


What's sad is that we almost lost one of those games, against Buffalo, because Cassel was so god damn awful, and basically was not responsible for a single third-down conversion the entire game.

He was 14 of 26 for 152 yards. Bowe had 3 catches for 16 yards.

We had 274 yards rushing, 0 turnovers, and held Buffalo to 3.9 yards per play.

And we won by 3 after 10 minutes of overtime, including a missed game winner by the Bills.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 10:55 AM
IMPORTANT FACT #6018:

71.4% percent of Cassel's 28 career wins have come against these shitty QBs.

Brodie Croyle
JT O'Sullivan
Marc Bulger
Trent Edwards x2
Seneca Wallace x2
JaMarcus Russell x2
Jason Campbell
Kyle Orton x2
Todd Bouman
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Derek Anderson
Sam Bradford
Kerry Collins
Donovan McNabb's Corpse
Curtis Painter
Kyle Boller

He has lost to the following QB from this list: Russell, Orton x2, Fitzpatrick x2, Campbell x2

PGM
07-22-2012, 10:57 AM
Nice to see you come around on Fitzpatrick :D

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 11:13 AM
He lost to Fitzpatrick when Fitzpatrick threw for 86 yards. LMAO

And the Chiefs ran for 152 yards in that game.

I bet you can guess which game this is.

saphojunkie
07-22-2012, 11:27 AM
Josh Looney was writing an article this week about how great Baldwin was at minicamp. He wrote that "There were acrobatic catches, leaping grabs and toe-touch finishes."

At first I thought "Great! Jon Baldwin is going to blow up!"

Then I realized...why is Cassel throwing passes so high that a 6'4 receiver with a 40 inch vertical has to LEAP for it? Or go to his toes?

Cassel throwing over people's heads and at their feet. Yay.

New offensive schemes has Wylie and McCluster running mirror patterns in front of Bowe and Baldwin. That way, if Cassel throws to a small guy, Bowe/Baldwin are there for the 8 foot overthrow. Vice versa for Cassel throwing at the tall wide receivers' feet.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 12:32 PM
The Reddit thread on this is fantastic.

You see what happens. Belichick doesn't mess around.

Hurt Brady? You get Cassel. Beat us consistently? We send Josh McDaniels to destroy your team. Disrespect from the city of Cleveland? Your fucking team goes to Baltimore.

OnTheWarpath58
07-22-2012, 12:36 PM
He lost to Fitzpatrick when Fitzpatrick threw for 86 yards. LMAO

And the Chiefs ran for 152 yards in that game.

I bet you can guess which game this is.

Oh, yes. The game in which Mr. Wonderful threw for 4 INT's and a QBR under 40 and told the media he graded out perfectly.

Al Bundy
07-22-2012, 12:37 PM
Yet Casshole is better at his job than you are at yours Claynus.

Ace Gunner
07-22-2012, 12:37 PM
"You see what happens. Belichick doesn't mess around.

Hurt Brady? You get Cassel. Beat us consistently? We send Josh McDaniels to destroy your team. Disrespect from the city of Cleveland? Your ****ing team goes to Baltimore"


ROFL

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 12:41 PM
Yet Casshole is better at his job than you are at yours Claynus.

Really? Because I just got a raise. I'm pretty sure Cassel's yearly salary is on the decline, barring stupidity from our GM.

Ace Gunner
07-22-2012, 12:46 PM
Josh Looney was writing an article this week about how great Baldwin was at minicamp. He wrote that "There were acrobatic catches, leaping grabs and toe-touch finishes."

At first I thought "Great! Jon Baldwin is going to blow up!"

Then I realized...why is Cassel throwing passes so high that a 6'4 receiver with a 40 inch vertical has to LEAP for it? Or go to his toes?

Cassel throwing over people's heads and at their feet. Yay.

New offensive schemes has Wylie and McCluster running mirror patterns in front of Bowe and Baldwin. That way, if Cassel throws to a small guy, Bowe/Baldwin are there for the 8 foot overthrow. Vice versa for Cassel throwing at the tall wide receivers' feet.

"toe-touch finishes" referring to toe dragging to stay in bounds imo. Also, they want Baldwin to be that ally oop guy in the paint. Not disagreeing Cassel could miss fish in a barrel though. Idiot telegraphs every throw, maybe his inaccuracy is a shield from INT's. I've seen opposing DB's shake their head after a pass play that was way off target. Like, wtf.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 02:19 PM
YES! YES!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/KAabH.jpg

Baby Lee
07-22-2012, 02:57 PM
YES! YES!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/KAabH.jpg

But he more than makes up for it with inaccuracy and poor decision making.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 03:02 PM
But he more than makes up for it with inaccuracy and poor decision making.

"Well, we couldn't block, but we made up for it by not tackling."

lcarus
07-22-2012, 03:11 PM
Yep, Cassel sucks. Tell us all something we don't know dude. You could get a million signatures on a petition and Pioli wouldn't give a shit. Neither would CHunt.

splatbass
07-22-2012, 03:36 PM
Josh Looney was writing an article this week about how great Baldwin was at minicamp. He wrote that "There were acrobatic catches, leaping grabs and toe-touch finishes."

At first I thought "Great! Jon Baldwin is going to blow up!"

Then I realized...why is Cassel throwing passes so high that a 6'4 receiver with a 40 inch vertical has to LEAP for it? Or go to his toes?

Cassel throwing over people's heads and at their feet. Yay.



Without actually seeing them we have no way of knowing whether they were bad throws or if Baldwin was heavily covered and that was the only way to get the ball where he could catch it. I know everyone hates Cassel, but there is no reason to make assumptions.

King_Chief_Fan
07-22-2012, 05:35 PM
Really? Because I just got a raise. I'm pretty sure Cassel's yearly salary is on the decline, barring stupidity from our GM.

you got a raise due to the minimum wage rate increase......what is it you do?

RunKC
07-22-2012, 05:58 PM
Does anyone have the gif of Cassel in the Ravens playoff game where he had like 10 seconds in the pocket and threw the INT? I believe it was in the late 3rd quarter.

SNR
07-22-2012, 05:58 PM
Without actually seeing them we have no way of knowing whether they were bad throws or if Baldwin was heavily covered and that was the only way to get the ball where he could catch it. I know everyone hates Cassel, but there is no reason to make assumptions.

:facepalm:

Did you fucking READ the OP?

BoneKrusher
07-22-2012, 06:13 PM
Oh, yes. The game in which Mr. Wonderful threw for 4 INT's and a QBR under 40 and told the media he graded out perfectly.

That's our boy Matty.
whatta guy.:D

splatbass
07-22-2012, 06:27 PM
:facepalm:

Did you ****ing READ the OP?

Yes. I wasn't replying about the OP. Did you read the post I was replying to? Are you illiterate?

SNR
07-22-2012, 06:58 PM
Yes. I wasn't replying about the OP. Did you read the post I was replying to? Are you illiterate?

It's just weird that you could read all those statistics about Cassel's failures and how he's NEVER been able to throw a good pass, and then say, "well, there IS the possibility that all those acrobatic catches were actually the best available passes he could have thrown on the field."

I mean, it'd be one thing if Cassel showed small incremental improvement in his game over the course of three years. But he hasn't even done that.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 06:59 PM
you got a raise due to the minimum wage rate increase......what is it you do?

LMAO

I am not paid by the hour.

Cassel's hours, however, ARE NUMBERED.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 07:00 PM
I mean, it'd be one thing if Cassel showed small incremental improvement in his game over the course of three years. But he hasn't even done that.

but jamaal charles was hurt and todd haley is stupid and bill muir is too NOT CASSEL

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 07:01 PM
Does anyone have the gif of Cassel in the Ravens playoff game where he had like 10 seconds in the pocket and threw the INT? I believe it was in the late 3rd quarter.

You know, it has occurred to me that there are absolutely zero GIFs of Cassel failing against the Ravens.

This week I'll rectify that.

THIS THREAD IS JUST GETTING STARTED

splatbass
07-22-2012, 07:01 PM
It's just weird that you could read all those statistics about Cassel's failures and how he's NEVER been able to throw a good pass, and then say, "well, there IS the possibility that all those acrobatic catches were actually the best available passes he could have thrown on the field."

I mean, it'd be one thing if Cassel showed small incremental improvement in his game over the course of three years. But he hasn't even done that.

I like facts before I make up my mind about something. I don't have facts about those particular throws the person I replied to was talking about, so I won't form an opinion about it.

This forum has enough unfounded opinions based on hate and anger.

SNR
07-22-2012, 07:10 PM
I like facts before I make up my mind about something. I don't have facts about those particular throws the person I replied to was talking about, so I won't form an opinion about it.

This forum has enough unfounded opinions based on hate and anger.

Oh facts? You mean like the stuff GoChiefs posted?

Inmem58
07-22-2012, 07:13 PM
You know, it has occurred to me that there are absolutely zero GIFs of Cassel failing against the Ravens.

This week I'll rectify that.

THIS THREAD IS JUST GETTING STARTED

It's a movement

BoltWalt
07-22-2012, 07:18 PM
I can't believe I read the whole thing... !

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 07:19 PM
I can't believe I read the whole thing... !

Now you can troll us with confidence.

BoneKrusher
07-22-2012, 07:21 PM
It's a movement

yeah
like womens lib, Toads gonna liberate Castle.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 07:24 PM
By the way, here is a desktop-sized version of The Signing. It could use some cool text or something maybe for an "official" desktop if someone wants to make one. This version doesn't have Haley or Bowe.

http://i.imgur.com/rPtoI.jpg

yeah
like womens lib, Toads gonna liberate Castle.

All I can free...is your mind.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hggb3pG93wQ/TVR-6z6Np0I/AAAAAAAAKVA/Z0acxcOTGR8/s1600/free_your_mind.jpg

splatbass
07-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Oh facts? You mean like the stuff GoChiefs posted?

First of all, Clayton obviously needs to get out of his mom's basement and get laid. Second of all the stuff he posted doesn't tell me what Cassel did in the offseason workouts, it just shows his general tendencies.

Are you really arguing against getting all the facts before forming an opinion? I hope to hell you are never on a jury.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 07:56 PM
Second of all the stuff he posted doesn't tell me what Cassel did in the offseason workouts.

LMAO

OFFSEASON WORKOUTS WILL SAVE US, EVERYONE!

THIS YEAR...THE KING WILL BE FAIR, AND OUR COLONIES WILL FLOURISH!

THIS YEAR.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 07:59 PM
First of all, Clayton obviously needs to get out of his mom's basement and get laid.

I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine.

milkman
07-22-2012, 08:05 PM
First of all, Clayton obviously needs to get out of his mom's basement and get laid. Second of all the stuff he posted doesn't tell me what Cassel did in the offseason workouts, it just shows his general tendencies.

Are you really arguing against getting all the facts before forming an opinion? I hope to hell you are never on a jury.

This isn't a court of law.

We all know that Cassel is inaccurate, so to draw the conclusion that he is making inaccurate throws that Baldwin has to adjust to is not making some huge leap.

Seriously, serving on a jury and talking about football?

You actually are going there?

Holy shit.

LMAO

What a fucking dumbass.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 08:08 PM
Occam's razor slices and dices every shitty Cassel pass to pieces.

If it appears shitty, chances are, it was.

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-22-2012, 08:10 PM
LMAO

Read Milkman's posts in Red Foreman's voice...Awesome

rico
07-22-2012, 08:14 PM
LMAO

Read Milkman's posts in Red Foreman's voice...Awesome

Lol, I always do that too. And same for Rausch. I always read his posts as if it is Ricky from Trailer Park Boys speaking.

Pawnmower
07-22-2012, 09:35 PM
Wow. I used to think you had no life. Now I KNOW you have no life.

If you ever want to get out of the house, call me breh.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 09:38 PM
Wow. I used to think you had no life. Now I KNOW you have no life.

If you ever want to get out of the house, call me breh.

I'm comfortable enough with my life that I don't need to get out of the house and tell others they should do so to feel better about myself.

And FYI, you are still my bro, but if I got out of the house more, we couldn't have nice beardmaster things.

Pawnmower
07-22-2012, 09:39 PM
i only have one question after looking at this thread.
how can Pioli or any GM in the league say Matt Cassel is our starter?

Because they don't take their advice or opinions from a guy who writes manifestos and doodles around with photoshop in his mother's basement?

I know you are not the brightest guy in the world, but god damn.....seriously?

Pawnmower
07-22-2012, 09:40 PM
I'm comfortable enough with my life that I don't need to get out of the house and tell others they should do so to feel better about myself.

And FYI, you are still my bro, but if I got out of the house more, we couldn't have nice beardmaster things.

I didn't tell you you should...

keep on keepin' on man...I was just offering, should you choose to want some o2, beer, and a window.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 09:43 PM
Because they don't take their advice or opinions from a guy who writes manifestos and doodles around with photoshop in his mother's basement?
?

They should. If Haley had been fired sooner last year, we're in the playoffs. And I would have been rockin' the basement HARD.

Pawnmower
07-22-2012, 09:49 PM
They should. If Haley had been fired sooner last year, we're in the playoffs. And I would have been rockin' the basement HARD.

I dunno, from my short tenure here, the Chiefs have always performed best when your attacks / trolling is the most active....SO I say keep it up!!! If you continue, we could win our first 3-4 games...and get this party started right.

Just don't jump off of the hate bandwagon TOO quickly please....keep hating , since that will drive us to victory.

Saulbadguy
07-22-2012, 09:52 PM
I find your terms acceptable.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 09:53 PM
I dunno, from my short tenure here, the Chiefs have always performed best when your attacks / trolling is the most active.....

I was a huge homer at the beginning of 2009 (hell, I defended Haley and Cassel tooth and nail for 10 weeks), and at the end of 2010 I called us getting our ass beat by the Ravens.

Shit, I defended the Tyson Jackson selection...fuck me, man.

Pawnmower
07-22-2012, 10:13 PM
I was a huge homer at the beginning of 2009 (hell, I defended Haley and Cassel tooth and nail for 10 weeks), and at the end of 2010 I called us getting our ass beat by the Ravens.


Us getting beat by the ravens was pretty much an easy call...Sure, I didnt think it would be THAT bad....

But how could you have thought 2009 would be any good at all? Ist that the season where we only had like 20 guys left from the roster from the previos year? Wasn't that seriously one of the worst teams in TEAM history?

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 10:15 PM
Us getting beat by the ravens was pretty much an easy call...Sure, I didnt think it would be THAT bad....


Do you have any idea how homertastic this place was before that game?

People actually believed we lost purposely to the Raiders because we wanted to play Baltimore.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 10:19 PM
But how could you have thought 2009 would be any good at all?

I believed in Haley, Cassel, Larry, Bowe, etc. I thought Goff could still play and that the OL wouldn't be a mega disaster.

Thought we could improve on D based on the talent.

Then Clancy Pendergast, 2.7 and Fat Butterfingers Bowe happened.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 10:36 PM
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20852

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9Sa_OQgWiPA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-22-2012, 10:43 PM
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20852

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9Sa_OQgWiPA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Robert = Crenell

Longshanks = Pioli

notorious
07-22-2012, 10:45 PM
Robert = Crenell

Longshanks = Pioli

Don't tell me that Clay is William Wallace.

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Don't tell me that Clay is William Wallace.

I WAS BORN IN SCOTLAND.

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Don't tell me that Clay is William Wallace.

If he were William Wallace, he'd devour the Chiefs front office with lightning bolts from his eyes and fireballs from his arse

notorious
07-22-2012, 10:50 PM
If he were William Wallace, he'd devour the Chiefs front office with lightning bolts from his eyes and fireballs from his arse

Get the man some Taco Tico ASAP!

Reaper16
07-22-2012, 10:52 PM
Second of all the stuff he posted doesn't tell me what Cassel did in the offseason workouts, it just shows his general tendencies.


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/Thereaper16/izgN0aOaceAPD.gif

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 10:52 PM
Aye, buy season tickets, and you'll live. At least awhile.

And dying in your beds, many years from now...would you trade all the days...from this day to that...to come back here and tell our quarterback....that he may take our money...but he'll never take....OUR FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

*moons Cassel from the 50*

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-22-2012, 11:00 PM
Season Ticket holders cost money....send the True Fans

Douche Baggins
07-22-2012, 11:09 PM
IMPORTANT FACT #58106:

As a Chief, in games where Cassel's team rushes for less than 135 yards he is 5-17. In the five wins, Cassel's defense holds the opposition to an average of 15.4 points.

lcarus
07-22-2012, 11:32 PM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/Thereaper16/izgN0aOaceAPD.gif

LOL, I'm gonna miss that guy. They fired him for Dwight, and Dwight wanted to leave anyway. What an asshole. I liked Stan just for the entertainment value he brought.

wazu
07-23-2012, 12:07 AM
Aye, buy season tickets, and you'll live. At least awhile.

And dying in your beds, many years from now...would you trade all the days...from this day to that...to come back here and tell our quarterback....that he may take our money...but he'll never take....OUR FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

*moons Cassel from the 50*

You bastard. I've owned season tickets for 10 hellish years and this is the only thing I've seen that made me reconsider.

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 12:17 AM
Well, well. Look what I have acquired.

http://i.imgur.com/FMaz8.jpg

Pawnmower
07-23-2012, 12:30 AM
Do you have any idea how homertastic this place was before that game?

People actually believed we lost purposely to the Raiders because we wanted to play Baltimore.

We sweep the Fade in 2012.

You heard it here 1st.

SNR
07-23-2012, 01:53 AM
We sweep the Fade in 2012.

You heard it here 1st.
We've definitely got the offensive line to do it this year.

This IS, the AFC West, though. And I know how much this Chiefs team loves to lose to inferior division opponents. These ain't Marty's boys

splatbass
07-23-2012, 03:13 AM
This isn't a court of law.

We all know that Cassel is inaccurate, so to draw the conclusion that he is making inaccurate throws that Baldwin has to adjust to is not making some huge leap.

Seriously, serving on a jury and talking about football?

You actually are going there?

Holy shit.

LMAO

What a ****ing dumbass.

I can't believe you guys are arguing for making assumptions without any facts. I guess on CP reason is a bad thing.

BoneKrusher
07-23-2012, 05:23 AM
Because they don't take their advice or opinions from a guy who writes manifestos and doodles around with photoshop in his mother's basement?

I know you are not the brightest guy in the world, but god damn.....seriously?

seriously.
if you would get your head out of Pioli and Cassels ass for just a few minutes you might figure out whats goin on.

bevischief
07-23-2012, 07:09 AM
:popcorn:

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 07:47 AM
Third and 8? Better throw 5 yards short of the sticks.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/Ravens%20at%20Chiefs%20-%201H.gif

whoman69
07-23-2012, 07:47 AM
Because they don't take their advice or opinions from a guy who writes manifestos and doodles around with photoshop in his mother's basement?

I know you are not the brightest guy in the world, but god damn.....seriously?

I don't think anybody has the delusion that any of the Chiefs organization is reading this. Its not why we are posting. Its a statement to other fans about how we feel the front office is letting us down. This team is never going to get anywhere with Matt Cassel.

The more realistic expectation is that if the groundswell is big enough then it gets to the local media and filtered to the organization. If you really think that we are only posting to have our day in court with Pioli and Hunt, you shouldn't even be posting here.

Dayze
07-23-2012, 07:52 AM
sadly, I don't think any of the local medial has the stones to even bring up the information identified in Clay's OP.They're too far up the collective butts of Pioli/Hunt etc.

we can only hope someone nationally gets it/link out there.

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 07:59 AM
Legend has it Cassel never had time to throw against the Ravens.

Note: Charles and Bowe bailed Cassel out on this by forcing and recovering a fumble on the same play.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens2.gif

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 08:12 AM
Pants full of shit? Better intentionally ground dat ball!

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens3.gif

Now that I've fucked us over, and it's 2nd and 20, I'll just make it worse by holding the ball way too long, and having no idea about the concept of a pass rush. Note: First Ravens sack in over 100 pass plays.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens4.gif

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 08:38 AM
Under extreme duress, with no time to throw, Cassel is intercepted because of an amazing play by the defender.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens5.gif

Also, I wonder if anyone else was open on this play. Here I have done you the Curtis-y of screencapping a key moment.

http://i.imgur.com/BFPMD.jpg

Whee!

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens6.gif

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 08:51 AM
And...scene.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens7.gif

Sofa King
07-23-2012, 08:54 AM
http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/BURN+HER+_fe90c5d670c3bc6dbe0132769e7fd7f6.jpg

OnTheWarpath58
07-23-2012, 09:04 AM
Third and 8? Better throw 5 yards short of the sticks.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/Ravens%20at%20Chiefs%20-%201H.gif

And stare down your receiver the entire time while doing so.

mrbiggz
07-23-2012, 09:06 AM
Does anyone know if Pioli on Twitter?

King_Chief_Fan
07-23-2012, 09:21 AM
It's a movement

yup...a bowel movement

King_Chief_Fan
07-23-2012, 09:24 AM
LMAO

I am not paid by the hour.

Cassel's hours, however, ARE NUMBERED.

but what is it that you do?

Dayze
07-23-2012, 09:26 AM
what happens to Pioli if the Chiefs go 4-12, or 5-11 etc.?

will there be any change in his employment?

Fish
07-23-2012, 09:30 AM
And stare down your receiver the entire time while doing so.

Not to mention, while staring down the receiver, he sees him getting blown the fuck up requiring him to do a spin move.... And STILL forces the ball to him.

ChiefsandO'sfan
07-23-2012, 09:31 AM
Clay i got Jamie Dukes to RT this thread lol.


Gregory ‏@ChiefsOrioles12

@jamiedukes http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=261629 … Good read on just how bad cassel is can i get a RT
Retweeted by Jamie Dukes

rico
07-23-2012, 11:16 AM
Clay i got Jamie Dukes to RT this thread lol.


Gregory ‏@ChiefsOrioles12

@jamiedukes http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=261629 Good read on just how bad cassel is can i get a RT
Retweeted by Jamie Dukes

LMAO

BoneKrusher
07-23-2012, 11:36 AM
Dukes kicks ass.

SNR
07-23-2012, 11:38 AM
I can't believe you guys are arguing for making assumptions without any facts. I guess on CP reason is a bad thing.
Do you also think we should bring back Sabby Piscatelli and give him another run-through?

I mean, by letting him go the team is making some terrible assumptions about his ability to play with a full offseason and familiarity with the playbook.

I would hope that a professional team like the Chiefs would be smart enough to deal only with the facts and not blind hate to determine if a guy can play or not play. But that's clearly not the case. Shame.

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 01:41 PM
Clay i got Jamie Dukes to RT this thread lol

Gregory ‏@ChiefsOrioles12

@jamiedukes http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=261629 … Good read on just how bad cassel is can i get a RT
Retweeted by Jamie Dukes

http://i.imgur.com/TRIRa.jpg

SNR
07-23-2012, 02:00 PM
You know the saying, "You can use numbers and statistics to manipulate people and warp any truth?"

Okay. Use statistics to tell me that Cassel is a good QB.

It's an interesting critical thinking problem. One you would see at a gifted student classroom. There is no wrong or right answer.

I'm thinking. I'm really trying to attack this problem, and I don't think it has a solution. I don't think you can use numbers to tell that Cassel isn't a shitty QB. It's impossible. The only thing I've got is 27-7, and that's been attacked approximately 73 different ways by various posters.

If there exists no bright light in ANY of Cassel's numbers, is it possible for him to not suck?

I don't know, I'm genuinely asking.

DeezNutz
07-23-2012, 02:06 PM
You know the saying, "You can use numbers and statistics to manipulate people and warp any truth?"

Okay. Use statistics to tell me that Cassel is a good QB.

It's an interesting critical thinking problem. One you would see at a gifted student classroom. There is no wrong or right answer.

I'm thinking. I'm really trying to attack this problem, and I don't think it has a solution. I don't think you can use numbers to tell that Cassel isn't a shitty QB. It's impossible. The only thing I've got is 27-7, and that's been attacked approximately 73 different ways by various posters.

If there exists no bright light in ANY of Cassel's numbers, is it possible for him to not suck?

I don't know, I'm genuinely asking.

Name the other QBs in league history to have back-to-back 400-yard games.

DeezNutz
07-23-2012, 02:09 PM
Name the other QBs in league history to have back-to-back 400-yard games.

Fouts
Marino
Simms
Warner
Volek
Cassel
Brees
Newton
Brady

Volek is clearly the outlier. The rest are high-quality QBs.

SNR
07-23-2012, 02:09 PM
Name the other QBs in league history to have back-to-back 400-yard games.
I mean, sure, I can name stuff like that I suppose. If Cassel did that with the Chiefs, I would absolutely use that in my thought exercise

DeezNutz
07-23-2012, 02:13 PM
I mean, sure, I can name stuff like that I suppose. If Cassel did that with the Chiefs, I would absolutely use that in my thought exercise

It's absolutely the type of statistical evidence that one can use to paint Cassel as the victim of inept management and lackluster talent.

"The talent is clearly there."

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 02:20 PM
It's easy to defend Cassel with stats.

"In years he wasn't saddled with a horrible supporting cast, or had his team suffer injuries, he has a magnificent 48 to 18 TD/INT ratio!"

Coogs
07-23-2012, 05:00 PM
IMPORTANT FACT #58106:

As a Chief, in games where Cassel's team rushes for less than 135 yards he is 5-17. In the five wins, Cassel's defense holds the opposition to an average of 15.4 points.

Boom! There it is! Good research TK!

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 05:10 PM
Boom! There it is! Good research TK!

http://i.imgur.com/UBh0i.jpg

Coogs
07-23-2012, 05:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/UBh0i.jpg

:LOL:

We are on them, man. We are on them! :toast:

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 06:10 PM
IMPORTANT FACT #MCMXCLVII

Cassel's teams (Chiefs AND Patriots) have lost 16 games in which the offense has gained 113+ yards rushing.

Average rushing yards in these games: 138

Pawnmower
07-23-2012, 06:40 PM
what happens to Pioli if the Chiefs go 4-12, or 5-11 etc.?

will there be any change in his employment?

yes

O.city
07-23-2012, 06:41 PM
I would like to see Pioli's response to the OP, say if it was presented to him in an interview.

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 06:44 PM
I would like to see Pioli's response to the OP, say if it was presented to him in an interview.

"Well, you know, people can point to a lot of statistics to prove their point. I've known Matt for several years and I have a good idea of what he is and what he can do. I'm confident he can be a good quarterback for us, a good starting quarterback, and help us win. We've won lots of games here with Matt in the past and I know we can do it again."

whoman69
07-23-2012, 07:36 PM
Boom! There it is! Good research TK!

You trying to bring back Tommykat?

whoman69
07-23-2012, 07:45 PM
Name the other QBs in league history to have back-to-back 400-yard games.

He's done it once since joining KC and that was in a loss. He's thrown under 150 yards 9 times as a Chief. How many QBs have thrown under 150 yards in consecutive games?

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 07:53 PM
He's done it once since joining KC and that was in a loss. He's thrown under 150 yards 9 times as a Chief. How many QBs have thrown under 150 yards in consecutive games?

Against playoff teams, for his Chiefs career, Cassel averages 148.5 yards passing per game.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-23-2012, 08:03 PM
It pains me how much Cassel sucks.

Bewbies
07-23-2012, 08:17 PM
Man we fucked up in the draft. Your point wouldn't be valid if we had drafted DeCastro.

el borracho
07-23-2012, 08:20 PM
"Well, you know, people can point to a lot of statistics to prove their point. I've known Matt for several years and I have a good idea of what he is and what he can do. I'm confident he can be a good quarterback for us, a good starting quarterback, and help us win. We've won lots of games here with Matt in the past and I know we can do it again."

Actually, in one of Pioli's recent interviews he (Pioli) stated that "we don't know what we have in Matt." Makes one wonder just exactly how much evidence a general manager needs to evaluate a player.

Coogs
07-23-2012, 08:27 PM
He's done it once since joining KC and that was in a loss. He's thrown under 150 yards 9 times as a Chief. How many QBs have thrown under 150 yards in consecutive games?

He was pretty good that game once we got behind 35-0!

splatbass
07-23-2012, 08:43 PM
Third and 8? Better throw 5 yards short of the sticks.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/Ravens%20at%20Chiefs%20-%201H.gif

Even great coaches do that. Because there is heavy coverage past the first down marker. The hope is that the receiver can get the yards after catch. I've seen the Pats do it, I've seen the Packers do it, I've seen the Giants do it. It is really a common tactic, but on CP everyone thinks only the Chiefs do it.

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 08:45 PM
That has nothing to do with coaching.

It's a shitty read by Cassel. Throwing to a receiver who has a 5 percent chance of getting the 1st down is terrible.

splatbass
07-23-2012, 08:48 PM
That has nothing to do with coaching.

It's a shitty read by Cassel. Throwing to a receiver who has a 5 percent chance of getting the 1st down is terrible.

That was the intended receiver. He never looked at anyone else. That was the call.

Douche Baggins
07-23-2012, 08:57 PM
That was the intended receiver. He never looked at anyone else. That was the call.

LMAO

OK.

FYI, you can clearly see him looking downfield.

He's a POS.

scott free
07-23-2012, 08:59 PM
You're a good kid, Matt... but not everyone gets to be the ace, some of us have to be the trusty #2 in life, now fetch me that pen over there...

rico
07-23-2012, 09:21 PM
The chiefscrowd thread is littered with a Cassel apologist or two now. Un....farking.....believable. Do these ass-goblins even watch the games?!

NJChiefsFan
07-24-2012, 01:22 AM
That was the intended receiver. He never looked at anyone else. That was the call.

Are you saying there were no other routes? He can decide the guy was covered and go elsewhere. Now I agree all fan bases act like their play calling is the worst but that doesn't change the fact that Matt can't make decisions well enough to win against good teams. The guy isn't 24 yrs old. This isn't his third yr starting. Thinking there is more info needed to peg the guy is beyond optimistic IMO.

Now loud and over-reacting fan base/media can cause as many issues as quite over-loyal ones. KC is the latter and this issue highlights it IMO.

NJChiefsFan
07-24-2012, 01:27 AM
I enjoyed the effort here. What do I care how he spends his time and since the universe didn't fill me in on the official rules on how to live your life I won't judge. That being said I again feel the need to point out that last week go chiefs said "stats are for losers".

Douche Baggins
07-24-2012, 01:59 PM
The responses to this are amusing.

Anyway, just because Cassel has struggled in the past against good defenses doesn't mean he will continue to do so.

Things change so much from year to year and he has more weapons now.. Eli Manning led the league w 25 INTs in 2010 next year he is all of a sudden elite.


Cassel's record with a 2-14 team is excellent.

And his passing stats for a team that has been, for his entire tenure here, designed to be a running offense, are not bad either.

you are the lamest "fan" I have ever seen. you buy into this assinine biased one sided "article" where some moron writes hes opinion and finds a stat to back it up.

Cassel does not win when we throw first...we have not been a throw first team since Dick Vermeil...we throw when we are behind and have to abandon the run game...what? your precious article doesnt mention things like that?

IN 2009 Matt Cassel was better then Drew Brees,Aaron Rodgers

In 20010 Matt Cassel was better then Drew Brees,Phillip Rivers,Matt Schab,Tom Brady,Peyton Manning,Jay Cuttler

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-24-2012, 03:28 PM
ROFL @ "Time out please, I am very stupid".

Fish
07-24-2012, 03:50 PM
The responses to this are amusing.

where some moron writes hes opinion and finds a stat to back it up.

How dare you.....

the Talking Can
07-24-2012, 04:01 PM
Whee!

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/casselsuxravens6.gif


this is the only play one needs to understand what a piece of shit Cassel is....

the only thought in his head is "going to poop my pants, but pawnsmoker will still blow me tonight....going to poop my pants, but pawnsmoker will still blow me tonight...going to poop my pants, but pawnsmoker will still blow me tonight...going to poop my pants, but pawnsmoker will still blow me tonight...going to poop my pants, but pawnsmoker will still blow me tonight...going to poop my pants, but pawnsmoker will still blow me tonight...oops, int...oh well, got paid"